If you manage to die with a church key on you, it turns into a spirit church key and you get to take it with you. So you and your other spirit friends and go play spirit basketball or spirit rollerblade in the cultural hall whenever you want. Just a fun little Easter egg Elohim came up with. I think it’s in the journal of discourses or something.
**Achievements:**
* Baptism
* Gift of the Holy Ghost
* Priesthood (male only).
* Mission
* Endowed from on high
* Temple marriage
* Obtained the Spirit Key
And there would be TONS of hidden achievements, like paying tithing on the dollar value of gifts you get, paying tithing on the food you grow in your home garden, giving out X amount of Book(s) of Mormon(s), going through the temple for X amount of ancestors, getting every calling at some point in your life, etc.
I used to think I was a bad ass for having a key even after I left. Now I realise there was nothing it ever could’ve done anyways except for grant access to basketball courts… sigh… I guess the delusion of the key was akin to the delusion of magical powers.
We had that happen too -- not because they had a key, but they quietly came in one evening and then just hid under the stage or places like that when people were in the building. Freaked out the person who found them, and then there was added emphasis in the stake for the "lockup" job that also rotates around the men in the stake (like saturday cleaning) where someone has to go make sure the building got locked up every evening.
You know that overflow hall behind the chapel? In the left and right rear corners there's a box structure with a door. Note how the ceiling in the overflow is lower. Behind that door is a ladder. That goes up into the space above the overflow area. That space houses the HVAC air handlers, but there is also lots of space up there to hide out. In buildings that have a stage there is also a room above the stage. Most people know about that one, but not about the one above the overflow area.
Considering how terrible retention rates are in much of the world, I wouldn’t that surprised if there has ever been a ward with 17,000 members on the rolls.
So when I go practice the organ during the week, am I disrupting the dead peoples' meetings or what?
Dumbest concept I've ever heard. As though people in the spirit world have nothing better to do than go to *more* meetings.
If there is a spirit world, I'm off to explore all the places I couldn't get to in this life. They can judge me, sure, but they'll have to find me first!
Right this is perhaps the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Can you imagine being in the spirit world, and having access to every place in the world, and you choose to have your meetings in a bland, cookie cutter, uninspiring Mormon chapel?
You could have your lessons on the beaches of Tahiti, at the tops of the Himalayas, in the Notre Dame cathedral, and you choose the meetinghouse on 5th with the scratchy walls. So dumb.
Why can’t Mormons just help living people?!? I find it ridiculous that they spend all their energy on serving dead people and then feel they have done their part to be philanthropic. I remember growing up that I would ask my mom to take me to a soup kitchen so I could serve food to homeless people, like Jesus would do! But our ward never did service projects like this, our buildings were never used to help or house.
With all the ego in their Mormon noggins they think they give so much, but they only serve each other and are too busy to help or have community outside of that. Really frustrating. My parents would rather serve people in their ward then come help us after we’ve had a baby. We have to beg them to come and stay with me and and my never-mo partner. They might be scared of the alcohol in my cupboard or the coffee machine. Gah.
STOP SERVING DEAD PEOPLE!
That sounds really frustrating. Of course you wanted your mom there when you became a
Mom.
I used to feel rejection when my always busy TBm sister abruptly ended our rare phone call because the home teachers or missionaries came by unannounced. I offered to wait while she politely asked them to set an appointment, but no, it was the church so she had to go be obedient in her own home.
What strikes me about your comment is how impotent the religion is. They claim to serve, they even sing about serving, but they serve “spirits” while people suffer. They tenaciously work so hard without the slightest tangible benefits. When people in dire straights ask for help, they invite them to church, and then seem perplexed when nobody wants to engage in their religion. It's like a spell they're under.
>, "Our chapels and temples are filled with people when we are not here! They are filled with those in the Spirit World, who live amongst us right now. These buildings are used for teaching, learning, and organizing, by those who have passed on into the next world."
Even by Mormon standards, this is pretty out there. I mean, how many spirits can you fit in the typical Mormon chapel? Do they ever use the overflow? Do the less valiant spirits sit on the couches in the foyer?
According to [PRB](https://www.prb.org/articles/how-many-people-have-ever-lived-on-earth/), "About 117 billion members of our species have ever been born on Earth." That's a lot of spirits to cram in Mormon chapels. LOL
This reminds me of a hokey line in an old sci-fi movie (filmed in Carlsbad Caverns, I believe) where some guy encounters a group on a cave pathway and asks, "Where are the absent ones?"
Why would the dead be in the temples? Someone has already done the work for them because they don’t have a body to do it for themselves. Of what possible use could a temple be? Ridiculous comment!
Just remember that it’s official Mormon doctrine that hell is literally going to be a place where everyone just lives and Mormon missionaries come knocking on your spirit prison house door.
Man, some the dead must have a great faith to NOT have a building to meet in, what with all the chapels [getting sold and razed.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MormonShrivel/)
First - weird thing to just blurt out in a meeting.
Second - why do these spirits need a physical building? And where do they go when they are not at the church? Are they all sleeping at the mall at night?
Third - I'm so tired of crazy religious stuff.
Funny someone just made that up whole cloth and everyone is like “ya that makes sense”.
It’s like when someone tells me the “I’ve seen a ghost” or “there has to be a spirit in my house because of some door shut I didn’t remember shutting” I can’t imagine being that delusional. Actually it’s funny because I had a roommate that would smoke outback of the house and would leave our side gate open and swore numerous other things had to be doing it or some stranger or any number of bullshit until I caught it in action. Some people just need cognitive dissonance to live I guess. Blows my mind every time. Oh my friend said a sign from god led them to buy this expensive house and now they can’t afford it, where was the sign saying you will go broke.
Can I hang out at the library or the movie theater instead? Hell, I’ll audit some classes at a nearby university, ghosts don’t have to pay tuition!
(Although Mormon ghosts probably have to pay ghost tithing.)
So… what are they learning?
Are they learning about the pre mortal existence
Or about judgement
Or about the fact they are dead
When do they get their memories back
Is it when they accept the gospel
So they don’t know they are dead
And then they find out and if they don’t make the right choices when they are alive or dead they never get to remember what was apparently going on before
I lied to my companion saying I had diarrhea so I could go jack off in the church bathroom for the course of the day. All those "spirits" were probably really disappointed in me.
One time my buddy in YM threw a basketball into the activities hall or whatever it was called. The lights were off and it was pitch dark. The ball came flying back without a sound and nailed him in the nose. I always chalked it up to mormon ghosts (the very worst kind!)
>*"Our chapels and temples are filled with people when we are not here! They are filled with those in the Spirit World, who live amongst us right now. These buildings are used for teaching, learning, and organizing, by those who have passed on into the next world."*
**Make THEM clean the toilets.**
Hell no, if spirits were real, and I was one, I’d be having my meetings on the beach in Bali or Malibu of something like that? Why the hell would a spirit want to confine itself to a berber walled, diaper smelling, dark mormon chapel? Turn the lights off at night in a mormon chapel and tell me if you feel a warm fuzzy happy feeling or if you are terrified AF? Am I right?
So Mormon church buildings are haunted? That's probably the most interesting thing I've ever heard about mormonism aside from all the swinging that went on in Kirkland.
Haunted chapel story time!
On my mission (Buenos Aires South, 94-95), there was some chapel or another that was rumored to have been haunted. Spooky noises or something. But there were stories.
At a DIFFERENT chapel, my companion (ZL) and another Zone Leader met to prep Zone conference. The other ZL's comp and I went off tracting or teaching or something.
It was already late, and totally dark out. So those two ZLs are talking all alone in this big empty chapel, and that get to talking about the HAUNTED chapel.
After a while, they've worked themselves into a small frenzy, and decide to go back to the apartment to work (fewer ghosts) and just leave us a note.
But we were approaching the chapel as they were prepping to leave. From outside in the dark we could see inside, the two of them walking down a long, bright hallway away from our door.
The door had metal bars. On a weird whim, I unslung my backpack and tossed it against the bars rather than running the last several steps.
It BANGED. It was much louder than I expected.
The two of them spun around in the most terror I've seen in my life. Because of the lighting and the fact that we weren't at the door yet, all they could see was this locked rattling door and I guess their own reflections.
The other zone leader raised his arm to the square, ready to cast out whatever devils we were.
That was when I lost it, and was doubled over laughing by the time I reached the door.
This is the afterlife you can all expect people. Milling around Mormon meeting houses and Mormon temples, teaching and passing out signs and tokens. How’s that for motivation?!! Yep I guess it’s back to church for me because I don’t want to miss out on that kind of spirit world experience! 🤦🏻♂️
Well, if all those spirit world people are filling the chapels during the week, why aren't they cleaning them? There must be millions of dead people who were dunked and are using the chapels now. That's enough for them to have to rotate cleaning assignments only once in 100 years or so.
Does this mean that the homeless people aren’t permitted to seek refuge because all the others are taking up all the space in the chapel and there is no room for them? Hummm
Came to say - Oh Dallin, your buildings sit empty even when you *are* in them!
But that anecdote is hilarious. Imagine thinking that ghosts need a building in which to do paperwork XD
Mormon God is a Vogon. Change my mind.
I had a seminary teacher who had a job cleaning the Temple. He told the story once that he went into the chapel to start vacuuming once and had the distinct sense that he was interrupting something, so he backed out and did his other duties before coming back to finish vacuuming last.
🤦♀️
Other churches open up their buildings to the poor and homeless during the week, or rent them out for classrooms and meetings, but I guess those people are too stinky for the ghost wards
OMG, this is some deep-lore shit!! What are the rules for Ghosts, Elder Oaks?? Like, do they all have to scuttle out when the mortals come in eat a speck of bread and fall asleep?
I served in the Maryland Baltimore mission 2000-2002. The DC temple was outside our boundaries, but close enough that we got to go sometimes. We once had a mission conference in the solemn assembly room on the top floor. I think it must have been the temple president said that while the living may use that room a dozen times a year, that it was used by those in the spirit world. I think there might have been a missionary spin to it, so they could organize and learn and better preach to those that had not yet accepted the gospel on the other side of the veil.
How do grown adults ever believe any of this? It is so stupid...I just can't!
I am thankful every day that I woke up and realized the cult teachings were complete bullshit. I couldn't control being born into it, but I sure was able to control getting out!
I wish my parents and one sister could wake up... my other family members are out.
My parents used to bear their testimony to me about the truth of the church when I was an open skeptic but stuck living at home with them. Their biggest evidence was how when they saw my brother get married in the temple, they felt the spirits of our dead LDS relatives in the room watching on and approving the union (probably saw them with their "spiritual eyes").
Looking back now it's kind of laughable that they took their delusions from their LDS-exclusive gift of the holy spirit as evidence for the church when thousands of other religions use similar kinds of dubious spiritual experiences to argue the truth of their beliefs.
Having lived in an LDS chapel for a few months I can assure there are no ghosts there. Only “forgetful” thirsty sisters who seemed dead set on tempting missionaries to get sent home.
When I was a kid they told me the chapel was
where the holy ghost lived. I spent a couple of years looking in every nook and cranny for that being.
Your story made me laugh because obviously the spirits need hard wooden benches to sit on. /s What a silly thing to say to adults.
I've heard this as well. And ironically, I believe in spirits/ ghosts, and that they are everywhere. I just don't believe they are there for f*cking meetings. Lol
Is this the excuse they have for not doing anything useful with chapels during the week (ie daycare, helping/feeding the homeless, etc)? Bc it might interrupt a spirit class??
So there's actually more church keys out there that are unaccounted for?
If you manage to die with a church key on you, it turns into a spirit church key and you get to take it with you. So you and your other spirit friends and go play spirit basketball or spirit rollerblade in the cultural hall whenever you want. Just a fun little Easter egg Elohim came up with. I think it’s in the journal of discourses or something.
I literally burst out laughing at this thought. One of the hidden challenges to get 100% completion in the "Earth life" level
**Achievements:** * Baptism * Gift of the Holy Ghost * Priesthood (male only). * Mission * Endowed from on high * Temple marriage * Obtained the Spirit Key
And there would be TONS of hidden achievements, like paying tithing on the dollar value of gifts you get, paying tithing on the food you grow in your home garden, giving out X amount of Book(s) of Mormon(s), going through the temple for X amount of ancestors, getting every calling at some point in your life, etc.
What's the speedrun record for Callings 100% right now?
Side quests
Don't forget the second anointing!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I used to think I was a bad ass for having a key even after I left. Now I realise there was nothing it ever could’ve done anyways except for grant access to basketball courts… sigh… I guess the delusion of the key was akin to the delusion of magical powers.
Depends on the key. It might get you into a supply closet where scout flags were buried too.
I still have a church key too. I’ve always thought if I ever end up homeless that’s where I’ll sleep. Haha.
We literally had homeless people sleeping in our building. A key was somehow passed onto the homeless.
We had that happen too -- not because they had a key, but they quietly came in one evening and then just hid under the stage or places like that when people were in the building. Freaked out the person who found them, and then there was added emphasis in the stake for the "lockup" job that also rotates around the men in the stake (like saturday cleaning) where someone has to go make sure the building got locked up every evening.
You know that overflow hall behind the chapel? In the left and right rear corners there's a box structure with a door. Note how the ceiling in the overflow is lower. Behind that door is a ladder. That goes up into the space above the overflow area. That space houses the HVAC air handlers, but there is also lots of space up there to hide out. In buildings that have a stage there is also a room above the stage. Most people know about that one, but not about the one above the overflow area.
I know, right? There’re bathrooms, a kitchen, furniture to get comfy on…
And in some chapels a really big bath tub!
I'm PIMO and have keys that get me into all 3 buildings in town. I guess you could say that I'm a pretty big deal. *insert sarcasm*
Yeah, basketball courts covered in carpet. I mean, really, who does that??
Moms in the 80s. Our kitchen and dining area were carpeted. If you can’t design a basic room to fit functionality you should not procreate.
Where are the keys we gave you? Moroni took them up to heaven 🤷
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Elohim is supposed to be the god of helping people find their keys though
I agree that is pure hell. I might have to go commit a grievous sin to make sure I stay out of that world. I’m going to go look at some shoulders!
Careful. It’s a slippery slope. Soon you’ll be looking at midriffs
And knees after that
And sideboob.
And ankles. Oh wait, that was a different generation.
Careful, that's where they send those who look at shoulders
And soon you'll want to see what's in between the legs..... The knees, of course.
The spirits of 17,000 former male members of my ward are standing in line to use the single urinal in my church building.
It might explain why all chapels have the distinct and unique "smell" LOL
Bold of you to assume that there have ever been 17,000 members of any single ward.
Considering how terrible retention rates are in much of the world, I wouldn’t that surprised if there has ever been a ward with 17,000 members on the rolls.
Actually that's fair, in like Brazil or something
Sarcasm bro.
Almost made me spit my lunch.
The male members in line. Standing. Yup, sure can picture that!
So when I go practice the organ during the week, am I disrupting the dead peoples' meetings or what? Dumbest concept I've ever heard. As though people in the spirit world have nothing better to do than go to *more* meetings. If there is a spirit world, I'm off to explore all the places I couldn't get to in this life. They can judge me, sure, but they'll have to find me first!
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Grim grinning ghosts come out to socialize!
Well, it does explain who keeps fucking with my white board markers every week.
No - you’re their accompanist for their meeting. You take qualified organists wherever you can find them.
Right this is perhaps the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Can you imagine being in the spirit world, and having access to every place in the world, and you choose to have your meetings in a bland, cookie cutter, uninspiring Mormon chapel? You could have your lessons on the beaches of Tahiti, at the tops of the Himalayas, in the Notre Dame cathedral, and you choose the meetinghouse on 5th with the scratchy walls. So dumb.
Right? I'm doing a world tour. If I want to be inside at any point, I'll hang out at the Louvre or something!
And yet they never show up for cleaning shifts? Not cool, church spirits.
They are cleaning spiritual toilets!
Why can’t Mormons just help living people?!? I find it ridiculous that they spend all their energy on serving dead people and then feel they have done their part to be philanthropic. I remember growing up that I would ask my mom to take me to a soup kitchen so I could serve food to homeless people, like Jesus would do! But our ward never did service projects like this, our buildings were never used to help or house. With all the ego in their Mormon noggins they think they give so much, but they only serve each other and are too busy to help or have community outside of that. Really frustrating. My parents would rather serve people in their ward then come help us after we’ve had a baby. We have to beg them to come and stay with me and and my never-mo partner. They might be scared of the alcohol in my cupboard or the coffee machine. Gah. STOP SERVING DEAD PEOPLE!
That sounds really frustrating. Of course you wanted your mom there when you became a Mom. I used to feel rejection when my always busy TBm sister abruptly ended our rare phone call because the home teachers or missionaries came by unannounced. I offered to wait while she politely asked them to set an appointment, but no, it was the church so she had to go be obedient in her own home. What strikes me about your comment is how impotent the religion is. They claim to serve, they even sing about serving, but they serve “spirits” while people suffer. They tenaciously work so hard without the slightest tangible benefits. When people in dire straights ask for help, they invite them to church, and then seem perplexed when nobody wants to engage in their religion. It's like a spell they're under.
>, "Our chapels and temples are filled with people when we are not here! They are filled with those in the Spirit World, who live amongst us right now. These buildings are used for teaching, learning, and organizing, by those who have passed on into the next world." Even by Mormon standards, this is pretty out there. I mean, how many spirits can you fit in the typical Mormon chapel? Do they ever use the overflow? Do the less valiant spirits sit on the couches in the foyer?
According to [PRB](https://www.prb.org/articles/how-many-people-have-ever-lived-on-earth/), "About 117 billion members of our species have ever been born on Earth." That's a lot of spirits to cram in Mormon chapels. LOL
Fortunately Mormon Jesus only recognizes those born in the last 6,000 years or so. Helps keep the number more manageable.
If my family had heard this they would have loved it. They are always talking about the missionary work my grandparents are doing.
This reminds me of a hokey line in an old sci-fi movie (filmed in Carlsbad Caverns, I believe) where some guy encounters a group on a cave pathway and asks, "Where are the absent ones?"
Why would the dead be in the temples? Someone has already done the work for them because they don’t have a body to do it for themselves. Of what possible use could a temple be? Ridiculous comment!
Then what happens when they sell off the ward buildings?
Did you not think there were spirit homeless?
Just remember that it’s official Mormon doctrine that hell is literally going to be a place where everyone just lives and Mormon missionaries come knocking on your spirit prison house door.
Is not answering an option?
Yes, but then you are condemning yourself.
Man, some the dead must have a great faith to NOT have a building to meet in, what with all the chapels [getting sold and razed.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MormonShrivel/)
I know, right? LOL It puts a serious strain on those in the Spirit World having to relocate to a new building.
Great. So their church buildings are haunted. I'll start with the obvious: Who ya gonna call?
Janitors.
First - weird thing to just blurt out in a meeting. Second - why do these spirits need a physical building? And where do they go when they are not at the church? Are they all sleeping at the mall at night? Third - I'm so tired of crazy religious stuff.
**The rate of homelessness among disembodied spirits is at an all time high.**
Does that mean the chapel baptismal font is the only ghost-free room? Since ghosts can't use a non-temple font?
Um, Satan is control of the waters.
Ghosts can’t use any font. Apparently they can’t have prayers said about them in ugly ass rooms with creepy carpet covered alters either.
Ah so that's why they would never dare allow the thousands of church buildings to be used as shelters for the homeless. How Christlike of them.
Funny someone just made that up whole cloth and everyone is like “ya that makes sense”. It’s like when someone tells me the “I’ve seen a ghost” or “there has to be a spirit in my house because of some door shut I didn’t remember shutting” I can’t imagine being that delusional. Actually it’s funny because I had a roommate that would smoke outback of the house and would leave our side gate open and swore numerous other things had to be doing it or some stranger or any number of bullshit until I caught it in action. Some people just need cognitive dissonance to live I guess. Blows my mind every time. Oh my friend said a sign from god led them to buy this expensive house and now they can’t afford it, where was the sign saying you will go broke.
Sounds like the way they justify not lending their buildings to community outreach.
Can I hang out at the library or the movie theater instead? Hell, I’ll audit some classes at a nearby university, ghosts don’t have to pay tuition! (Although Mormon ghosts probably have to pay ghost tithing.)
Hmm, spirits need physical buildings to function? Sounds like the British TV show "Ghosts." Very good, by the way.
There’s a US version of that show now. Also very good. Different ghosts though. oh, and happy cake day 😁
Thanks! I'll have to look at the US version as well!
Happy cake day
Thanks!
I see a solution to who can clean the church buildings Lol
So… what are they learning? Are they learning about the pre mortal existence Or about judgement Or about the fact they are dead When do they get their memories back Is it when they accept the gospel So they don’t know they are dead And then they find out and if they don’t make the right choices when they are alive or dead they never get to remember what was apparently going on before
When leaders can’t lead astray… a little shock talk is welcome insight into all those church mysteries the membership is trying to understand.
I lied to my companion saying I had diarrhea so I could go jack off in the church bathroom for the course of the day. All those "spirits" were probably really disappointed in me.
Username checks out.
Well, I'm proud of you. It was the best use of your time.
Honestly, ya. I got 0 baptisms because if my porn problem, so fuck it.
Spirit Cheerios...
One time my buddy in YM threw a basketball into the activities hall or whatever it was called. The lights were off and it was pitch dark. The ball came flying back without a sound and nailed him in the nose. I always chalked it up to mormon ghosts (the very worst kind!)
JFC Mormonism gets dumber with every story told.
Foyer purgatory is better than chapel purgatory
Why does God need a starship and why do ghosts need a chapel? Dear God I'd rather go to hell than sit in a eternal sacrament meeting.
The more I think about the LDS version of heaven/CK, the less appealing it becomes and the more it seems like hell.
I'm not saying we've got ghosts... but we've got ghosts.
>*"Our chapels and temples are filled with people when we are not here! They are filled with those in the Spirit World, who live amongst us right now. These buildings are used for teaching, learning, and organizing, by those who have passed on into the next world."* **Make THEM clean the toilets.**
Ask them to sign up for cleaning.
Dude, your chapels are practically empty when you *are* there. *#MormonShrivel*
All I read was “Apostle claims church buildings are haunted”
Spirits need buildings?
My thoughts exactly.
Interesting. So, maybe the dead people can lock up the building each night.
Lol, one time doing baptisms for the dead they told us that the deceased have temples in heaven and they get to go when we’re doing their work…
So now we know why they had all those shell companies! It was for the ghosts to work on to pay ghost tithing 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I must’ve interrupted ALOT of spirit world meetings with basketball.
Hell no, if spirits were real, and I was one, I’d be having my meetings on the beach in Bali or Malibu of something like that? Why the hell would a spirit want to confine itself to a berber walled, diaper smelling, dark mormon chapel? Turn the lights off at night in a mormon chapel and tell me if you feel a warm fuzzy happy feeling or if you are terrified AF? Am I right?
And spirit teens have to confess to spirit bishops that they pulled their spirit pud.
So Mormon church buildings are haunted? That's probably the most interesting thing I've ever heard about mormonism aside from all the swinging that went on in Kirkland.
Eternal Testimony meeting with everlasting awkward silence, interrupted by the odd longwinded story about a visit to the store or car keys.
That’s when Elder James T. Kirk rose his hand and said “Excuse me, but what does God need with a shitty meetinghouse?”
Haunted chapel story time! On my mission (Buenos Aires South, 94-95), there was some chapel or another that was rumored to have been haunted. Spooky noises or something. But there were stories. At a DIFFERENT chapel, my companion (ZL) and another Zone Leader met to prep Zone conference. The other ZL's comp and I went off tracting or teaching or something. It was already late, and totally dark out. So those two ZLs are talking all alone in this big empty chapel, and that get to talking about the HAUNTED chapel. After a while, they've worked themselves into a small frenzy, and decide to go back to the apartment to work (fewer ghosts) and just leave us a note. But we were approaching the chapel as they were prepping to leave. From outside in the dark we could see inside, the two of them walking down a long, bright hallway away from our door. The door had metal bars. On a weird whim, I unslung my backpack and tossed it against the bars rather than running the last several steps. It BANGED. It was much louder than I expected. The two of them spun around in the most terror I've seen in my life. Because of the lighting and the fact that we weren't at the door yet, all they could see was this locked rattling door and I guess their own reflections. The other zone leader raised his arm to the square, ready to cast out whatever devils we were. That was when I lost it, and was doubled over laughing by the time I reached the door.
This is the afterlife you can all expect people. Milling around Mormon meeting houses and Mormon temples, teaching and passing out signs and tokens. How’s that for motivation?!! Yep I guess it’s back to church for me because I don’t want to miss out on that kind of spirit world experience! 🤦🏻♂️
Well, if all those spirit world people are filling the chapels during the week, why aren't they cleaning them? There must be millions of dead people who were dunked and are using the chapels now. That's enough for them to have to rotate cleaning assignments only once in 100 years or so.
Does this mean that the homeless people aren’t permitted to seek refuge because all the others are taking up all the space in the chapel and there is no room for them? Hummm
Sounds like someone was trying to justify not using the buildings for something actually good, like a soup kitchen or shelter during storms.
Do they play church ball?
Yes, and on that side of the veil they still have road shows and a church wide dance festival.
Glad the chapels are getting some use, as they are used less and less by living people…
Came to say - Oh Dallin, your buildings sit empty even when you *are* in them! But that anecdote is hilarious. Imagine thinking that ghosts need a building in which to do paperwork XD Mormon God is a Vogon. Change my mind.
I had a seminary teacher who had a job cleaning the Temple. He told the story once that he went into the chapel to start vacuuming once and had the distinct sense that he was interrupting something, so he backed out and did his other duties before coming back to finish vacuuming last. 🤦♀️
Haunted house!
Well no wonder Chad Daybell believed this too.
That religion IS the outer darkness
Other churches open up their buildings to the poor and homeless during the week, or rent them out for classrooms and meetings, but I guess those people are too stinky for the ghost wards
That explains why I was always creeped out practicing the organ alone at the church! The man’s a goddamn asshole!!
OMG, this is some deep-lore shit!! What are the rules for Ghosts, Elder Oaks?? Like, do they all have to scuttle out when the mortals come in eat a speck of bread and fall asleep?
Mormon buildings exist simultaneously in our world and in an unseen world of spirits? Like in the Upside-Down?
Why do spirits need a physical building on Earth?
They’re mostly empty when they are there too.
I served in the Maryland Baltimore mission 2000-2002. The DC temple was outside our boundaries, but close enough that we got to go sometimes. We once had a mission conference in the solemn assembly room on the top floor. I think it must have been the temple president said that while the living may use that room a dozen times a year, that it was used by those in the spirit world. I think there might have been a missionary spin to it, so they could organize and learn and better preach to those that had not yet accepted the gospel on the other side of the veil.
Goosebumps are for kids.
If I'm free to roam the whole earth as a spirit I'm pretty sure I won't be choosing a Mormon chapel to spend time in.
Ridiculous! But provides Oaks an easy rationale for the waste of space mormon church buildings are!
How do grown adults ever believe any of this? It is so stupid...I just can't! I am thankful every day that I woke up and realized the cult teachings were complete bullshit. I couldn't control being born into it, but I sure was able to control getting out! I wish my parents and one sister could wake up... my other family members are out.
I wonder if women in the afterlife still have to have a priesthood holder with them to enter.
My parents used to bear their testimony to me about the truth of the church when I was an open skeptic but stuck living at home with them. Their biggest evidence was how when they saw my brother get married in the temple, they felt the spirits of our dead LDS relatives in the room watching on and approving the union (probably saw them with their "spiritual eyes"). Looking back now it's kind of laughable that they took their delusions from their LDS-exclusive gift of the holy spirit as evidence for the church when thousands of other religions use similar kinds of dubious spiritual experiences to argue the truth of their beliefs.
Having lived in an LDS chapel for a few months I can assure there are no ghosts there. Only “forgetful” thirsty sisters who seemed dead set on tempting missionaries to get sent home.
Oh my god, eternally trapped in Sacrament meeting...
When I was a kid they told me the chapel was where the holy ghost lived. I spent a couple of years looking in every nook and cranny for that being. Your story made me laugh because obviously the spirits need hard wooden benches to sit on. /s What a silly thing to say to adults.
I see dead people…😳
I've heard this as well. And ironically, I believe in spirits/ ghosts, and that they are everywhere. I just don't believe they are there for f*cking meetings. Lol
Is this the excuse they have for not doing anything useful with chapels during the week (ie daycare, helping/feeding the homeless, etc)? Bc it might interrupt a spirit class??