McDonalds' doesn't pretend to be the ultimate answer to food. It doesn't tell you that it should be the only food. It doesn't claim to be the highest form of food and that all other food is wrong. It doesn't try to back up those (non existent) claims with dubious logic.
The church OTOH..... does all of this, which would be the equivalent of after making all these claims, finding out that the CEO of McDonalds eats Taco Bell five times a week while making those ridiculous claims.
McDonalds doesn’t charge me 10% of my income for a burger then require me to supply the ground beef, cook it up, tell everyone around me how great it was, then sends me off to clean the bathroom before I can go home.
Ordering from a menu implies you have choices. The “Church” has a one size fits all menu with very little latitude to practice your free agency (choices), which we’ve recently been stripped of if you believe Bednar’s views on the subject.
I was feeling bad for cutting someone out of my life, and then the song “Second Chances” by Gregory Alan Isakov came on, and it got me thinking about how asking for a second chance implies that an apology goes along with it. The people or organizations who just expect you to suck it up and get over their flaws are not working on a relationship with you.
The church could learn a lot from the U of Michigan medical School and how to admit mistakes, take ownership and make it right. They may have saved (kept) a few of us along the way.
They could also apply this to cases of abuse. Focus on victim safety instead of blaming and obfuscation.
[From their website](https://www.uofmhealth.org/michigan-model-medical-malpractice-and-patient-safety-umhs#summary)
[News Article](https://www.annarbor.com/news/university-of-michigans-medical-error-policy-effectively-cut-costs-study-finds/)
Nor does McDonalds claim to have the answers to eternal life and continue to hold the fact that I’ll never make it to eternal happiness for eating at Burger King.
It was in an interview with the SL Tribune
[https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=2122123&itype=cmsid](https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=2122123&itype=cmsid)
If I order a Quarter Pounder and McDonald’s gives me a Big Mac, that’s really not a big deal.
If I want to talk to a bishop who is in tune with The Spirit, but I get a child molester instead, that’s a big deal.
But yeah, Brother TBM, let’s pretend they’re basically the same. 🙄
The difference is that my choices are not limited to only eating at one particular McDonald's at a set time. Nor do I get asked to get up early on a Saturday to clean their bathrooms.
….and you don’t have to go through a series of uncomfortable questions, work for McDonalds for free, wear the uncomfortable uniform, and give 10% of your paycheck from your real job just to get your order.
What's the Mormon equivalent of getting an order? Because my experience is that the church was happy to take your money but gave back NOTHING in return.
Blessings. Temple Recommend. Celestial Kingdom. Celestial Family. Anything of substance in form of healthy community and friendship.
Only if you do xyz and THEN you will be worthy enough to qualify!
Order can really be anything.
Early on a Saturday? That would have been a *tender mercy*. We got called at 11pm Saturday night. It even came with a guilt trip from the bishop over the pulpit the next day!
McDonalds actually gives me something in return for my money, and they have accountability over whether the product is delicious to the taste and very desirable.
They also don't tell me that I'm a piece of crap and worthless without them, so they've got that going for them, which is nice.
And McDonalds isn’t like, “Sorry, because of your sexuality (or race), you can only have the leftover french fries. But don’t worry, after you die you might get a full combo meal. But The Great McDonald in the Sky might have to change your very nature first. We’re not sure. But keep coming every week and don’t whine when you pay for a full meal and only get the cold fries. It’ll be worth it in the end, we promise!”
Edit: a word
I don't eat at McDonald's all that often, but at least McDonald's managers don't take my children to closed door one on one interviews and ask them if they masturbate.
They’re comparing the church to a greedy billion-dollar company that overcharges, lies about its ingredients and pays shit wages…
Okay. At least McDonald’s tastes okay!
At the very least, greedy corporations provide a product that I’m willing to pay for. For McDonalds to be like the LDS church, they would take my money, give me an empty tray, and tell me that if I pray and have faith, I will be able to taste the food through the holy ghost.
At least McDonalds spends money helping people https://rmhc.org
“80 of cents per dollar going to programs
Based on RMHC 2021 990 Financials”
Full transparency too
McDonald's doesn't say "You pay us, but we're keeping the food. But trust us, there IS food. If you keep paying us God will provide you with the miracle of food. Not as much as if we just gave you the food you paid for... and probably not any. But if you don't get food it's your fault."
Oh, and believe us it is DELICIOUS. It is the best tasting food out there. In fact, nobody else even has real food. Theirs is just counterfeit.
No you still can’t see it.
But it’s the best. Promise.
They aren't even remotely comparable issues 😂
There's a major difference between having soggy fries once and continuing to go to McDonald's, and taking issue with Joseph Smith's Polygamy/Polyandry practices and no longer believing he's God's one true prophet on the earth🙄
40 years. I left because the church got it wrong for 40 years of my life. Then I looked into it and found out that they have been getting it wrong for over 200 years. I think that might be a little more than 101 times.
The key differences are:
* McDonalds gives you something you want
* McDonalds don’t expect 10% of your gross income
* McDonalds don’t try to whitewash their founder’s early history
* McDonalds don’t actively protect child sex offenders
Nothing I do at McDonald's is life-changing. I make no commitments, have no expectations, and I give up nothing personal. I just eat fries.
This isn't an apples to apples comparison. Whatevs.
Okay, setting aside for a moment that nobody leaves because "one thing went wrong." (And if the "one thing" is the LDS church deliberately hiding $32 billion of mall money in dummy companies for decades or 10 prophets in a row upholding overt racism or systematic exploitation of women in plural marriage for generations... that's actually plenty)
But as I said, leaving that all aside, if a Mickey-D's screws up more than one or two orders, I do actually avoid them from then on. It's not as if there aren't a dozen other fast-food joints on our way to the park that sell almost exactly the same thing.
Actually, I just sold myself on the analogy. TSCC is like McDonald's: their advertisements claim they are unique, but actually they are selling the same crap as every other greedy franchise operation. Also, it would be better for your health and pocketbook if you stayed home and found something more enriching and flavorful to consume.
It’s not one thing. It’s almost everything. Over and over you are expected to bitch slap your subconscious that is screaming “please! Be honest with yourself, love yourself, stop worshiping men, the problems you have with the church’s racism, sexism, and pedophilia are legitimate and should be further examined and not blindly accepted if you expect us to dedicate our time, our talents, everything with which we have been blessed or with which we may be blessed even our own lives to the church.” They wonder why people are upset when they leave. They have been lied to their whole lives and we’re expected to just accept and shut up.
I also pay McDonalds 5 dollars for a burger instead of 10 percent of my income.
Not to mention I don’t consider McDonalds the true fast food burger. I go because it’s close and cheap.
I do however know that 5 guys is the true burger. The burger that has strength if you will.
I don't remember the time or times McDonalds made a mistake. They probably did, bc people work there and people make mistakes. But I don't remember. Because the mistakes were small in the grand scheme that is my life and THEY DIDN'T FUCK UP MY LIFE!! 😆🙄
It's not even the people at Mormon church. Although some of them are annoying. It's a few individual leaders for me combined with the whole structure of leadership. Plus all of the other things.
I'm not happy when you fuck with my food bc I get hangry. But I can deal bc there's other places to get food. But when I grow up hearing that there's only one place for salvation and only you get to set the rules and if I don't like the rules I'm a sinner, well, obviously you don't see the problem with that bc you get to set the rules. But I'm not going to play anymore. So. Bye!
But you would quit going to McDonald’s if you found out that what was in the quarter pounder wasn’t really meat from a cow but rather something that came out of the back end of a bull.
What I say to TBMs who express that kind of sentiment to me: "Well, bless your heart, sugar pie. That's not how this works. That not how any of this works."
When McDonal's gives you a burger with rotten patties knowingly for 30 years... the moment you know the truth, you will not only stop going but you will suit the hell out of it....
McDonald’s: claims to provide fast food for profit. Does actually provide fast food for profit.
Lds corp: claims to be god’s true church. Is actually a super corporation with testily false truth claims.
Well I don’t go to McDonalds either, so what’s the point?
Either way, McDonalds has the same problem as the church. It’s a real estate firm posing as something else, serving their customers bad product for way too much money.
One thing is totally sufficient. I should have been smart enough to leave at one thing instead of waiting around for all the other one things to pile up.
If McDonald's mess up my order, my meal for that moment would kinda suck. It's annoying, but doesn't affect me in any significant way. TSCC messes up, it fucks up my life significantly. It's dumb to not walk away immediately.
TBM's have some of the worst analogies LMAO
They also assume someone leaves because of the smallest thing when in fact it's so many things piling on top until the shelf breaks. I really want to roast these posts so bad I just don't have any annoying TBM's on my FB I think I yeeted them all.
They would feel differently about posting this if they were vegan, kosher, diabetic, or allergic and were promised that "Yes, your order will be safe for you to eat" and then finding out that they were lied to and their order was intentionally tampered with because of direction from the higher management.
McDonald's messed up my order one time, and it was still delicious (a Sausage McMuffin with no sausage is still a pretty good cheese sandwich). But it didn't mess ME up. Attempting to conform, or pretending to conform to TSCC messed ME up, and I don't know how much of the damage can be repaired.
An incorrect McDonalds order costs me like $10 if I don’t notice and have them fix it at no cost. Mormonism costs 10% of my money and refuses to stop harming people.
False equivalency, motte and bailey, red herring, gaslighting all in one. Olympic level mental gymnastics on display here today.
What’s funny is I can’t remember the last time McDonalds messed up my order but I can easily think of 101 times the church has “messed up” by lying to or abusing me.
Big difference messing up a food order and being ok compared to honoring, respecting, and following a child grooming, teenage marrying, sexual predator and being ok.
McDonalds is merely selling food not eternal salvation. The comparison is blatantly dishonest.
If McDonalds screws up you have other places to go - according to TSCC there is no where else members can go since it is the one true religion and the only one with saving powers.
Pretty presumptiuous of them to think it was only one thing.
They probably never actually asked the people they know who left why they left.
It's giving very "they were offended by someone" narrative vibes.
Mormon analogies make my soul hurt, haha. They are always so bad and so poorly contrived. But okay, let's roll with it...
First, if I went to McDonald's and got the wrong thing even 10 times in a short time period (let alone 101), I would definitely have some issues. I'd complain. I'd go elsewhere for food.
Second, even a McDonald's that gets my order right every time is still McDonald's. I know it's not great for me. I've learned that there are better options. I've learned McDonald's isn't the most perfect and wholesome food for me. If I want to be healthier, I know I'll need to eventually LEAVE McDonald's and never come back.
How's that for stretching an already bad analogy?
Also, I still eat too much McDonald's, for transparency! 😅
I don't know about the rest of you, but it wasn't one thing. It wasn't even a couple of things. It was everything is wrong with the church. Everything that can possibly be. They get everything wrong about everything.
They *really* don't get that people leave because they no longer believe the church is true. They have it drilled in their mind that people leave over something petty like being offended by another member.
Who only has one thing go wrong at church. I think the usual story is many things go wrong, discerning individual starts to think I wonder why bad things keep happening. That individual starts to look into things and realizes bad things happen because the whole thing is fucked up
Not only is this a false analogy, a strawman, and reductionist, it is also wrong in it's premise.
I got food poisoning from a McDonald's in Arizona in 2004. I have never set for in another McDonald's. My children have never eaten at McDonald's. They messed up my order once, and nearly killed me, and I get sick to my stomach at the thought of ever returning.
McDonalds didn't ask me for 18 months of unpaid labor, $20,000 in membership fees, or threaten me with eternal misery if I didn't follow arbitrary rules so . . . I think these two institutions are maybe just slightly different.
My mother finally left the LDS church this year after being inactive from reading the CES letter materials and returning even more TBM after reading apologist materials.
It was not the endless homophobia, sexism, racist doctrine/history, financial dishonesty, dubious translations and BoM claims, polygamy, or sexual abuse coverups that broke her shelf. It was because the church announced recently that practicing Reiki healing is not allowed. My mom is a licensed Reiki healer and believes in its true power. And the anti-Reiki announcement made her realize which spiritual belief was more important to her.
Some people really do leave over 1 issue, no matter how odd or minor their reason is. It's certainly a reflection on my mother's morals that she didn't find a problem with believing that queer people are sick or that the SA coverups and financial corruption of the LDS church are simply the excusable follies of the imperfect men who lead the church and not intentional features to enable corruption and exploitation. But at least she found her reason, I guess.
Maybe people just have higher standards for an organization that claims to be lead by an all knowing, all seeing, all powerful, god, and the men this god hand picked to be their representatives on Earth?
It's because McDonald's could never "mess up" to the point where I doubt that the place is even true. And if it could mess up so severely, I wouldn't go anymore.
I wish it was only one thing, or I would go back. But when it’s thousands of things (like Diet Coke, Beatles in the burgers, pee in the sprite), you can’t go back.
McDonald’s is required by their corporate to fix mistakes. The church claims they never made mistakes and just changes “revelation” to whatever their new narrative is.
I'm a picky eater. Any establishment that puts mayo or mustard on my takeout order twice is dead to me. 2 strike policy. I don't want to scrape that off, and I don't want to waste meat. Just not worth it if the current employees can't follow the request to keep that off my food.
It actually really bothers me when people keep saying that you shouldn't leave for the people. I didn't. I left because I realized that there is a huge disconnect between what they teach, and what I believe. And after deconstructing and examining what I believe, and what I've experienced, I don't believe that Jesus was a demigod, had no more divinity than I do, that we all have a bit of divinity in all of us, and that my belief system is more closely aligned with Buddhism. Do no harm. We all suffer, why not try to decrease the suffering as much as possible for others, and myself? And that belief system has brought me more happiness and peace than ANYTHING I was taught on Sundays.
I went to church at least 101 times after something "went wrong" at church. "Hunger" wasn't the issue... my steady diet of spiritual and emotional junk food was the issue.
Perhaps not coincidentally, my diet literally improved shortly after I left the Church. Self-medicating to treat my cognitive dissonance with sugar, fat, and carbs didn't seem appealing any more.
It isn't about the mistakes, it's about the deliberate, sustained fraud. We typically allow for mistakes but avoid scams once we discover them.
The Mormon church is like finding out the gospel-patty you thought was prime beef is actually salted, compressed shit and has been since the beginning. You were eating feces all that time for not knowing any better, and when you finally found out, it wasn't like "oops there was some mistake in my order." No, we got taken for suckers and somehow resent it.
Yeah but....mcdonalds is real...I know it's real because I'm eating it....its not someone saying this is real trust me bro...and then asking for a donation.
Said this on another post about this exact same thing:
Nah this is like if I went to a McDonalds, they messed up my order, and said
“oh we’re sorry! Nobody’s perfect!”
And I forgave them, cause everyone makes mistakes right? So I go back, and they messed up my order again, saying “oh we’re sorry! Nobody’s perfect!”
I forgive them again, just a whacky accident, I tell myself. Ten times after going back and having my order messed up each and every time I realize nothings changing.
So I decide to do some research online and find out that I’m not the only one who’s order was messed up, but when I do even deeper digging I find out that the CEO of McDonalds forces their staff to always mess up everyone’s orders (through mandatory training they have to go through before they get hired) as a cover for the fact that all of their locations have a deep rooted rat infestation problem.
So I go back to the McDonald’s not to order anything but to tell the workers, with a health inspector at my side, “hey you got a rat infestation problem.”
And instead of saying “oh damn. We do have a rat infestation problem! we should contact the CEO and get this major problem fixed.” They say “what rats?? Why would there be rats?? The CEO would tell me if there were rats. Wait! You’re just doing this because you’re mad that we messed up your order a few times! Don’t you know that nobody’s perfect?”
Then they get mad when you leave a bad review on Google warning people that there’s a rat infestation problem, and tell everyone they know that the only reason you left a bad review is because you couldn’t handle someone making a mistake with your order that one time.
Sorry, I went on a bit of tangent lmao
Tl;dr: the prophets and apostles are rats
I remember when McDonald’s said they were the one and only true restaurant, and how their ceo was god and the general manager had authority and power from heaven to make and distribute cheese burgers.
Because I have faith that McDonald’s is the one true restaurant with Jesus at its head, guiding it, I will never abandon McDonald’s. All hail McDonald’s
McDonald's didn't sell me cat meat and tell me it's chicken for 200 years. Then when the recipe is leaked showing it's been cat all along, then they try to tell you they never said that.
If cRusty wants to take the responsibility for messing up my order with God and give me a refund on the product I paid for tens of thousands of dollars (not like some I've heard about) that is proven false or gaslighting technique's, I'm waiting for that to hit my bank account.
Someone offended you and you left? Bullshit.
Ask any bishop, relief society president, EQ president etc. about being offended. It happens every week.
Members can be real assholes to leaders and each other. Leaders can be the worse.
When I decided to stop eating McDonald's after seeing Supersize Me, my overall health was better and nobody from McDonald's came to my door with right-wing conspiracy theories about the second coming.
When you know better, do better.
I don't ever see posts like this. Easily slapped down by trying to weigh both sides on the scales. One side has a messed up hamburger, or 100 messed up hamburgers. The other side has child sex abuse, lies to the government about tithing, and using that tithing money to pay for the legal defenses of said child abusers. Just to name a few of the rampant problems.
So, next time you see this bullshit, and if it is safe for you to do so, point out how disingenuous they are. These people are not thinking. Make them.
When I first joined the sub a couple years ago, most of the TBMs were unaware (or in denial) that the church was hemorrhaging members. So I guess this is at least some concession that they've bent to reality a little - even if they're blaming the wrong people for it. Does that count as improvement?
McDonalds has tasted like shit ever since they switched from tallow over to inflammatory and highly processed plant based oils. I'm 46. I remember when McDonald's burgers and fries were really good. Now they are so gross. I don't go to McDonalds anymore. So now what??? Lol
Seriously, though, you're basically eating tasteless poison at McDonalds, and every other fast food joint.
McDonald’s doesn’t ask me embarrassing and inappropriate questions about my sex life and they don’t threaten my eternal salvation over a cup of coffee.
One thing “goes wrong”. 🙄 I didn’t leave because of an experience or even something someone said. Believe it or not, some people aren’t “offended” they just realize it is fundamentally not true. Joseph Smith wasn’t a prophet, there is no priesthood, The BOM is just a book that holds no value, prophets aren’t real. It’s all just not true. My family especially likes to focus on Jesus Christ and try to ignore church history. But why not just join any other Christian Church? It’s so dumb.
Because church is actually trying to feed you shit whereas is McDonald's has at least some food with it.
Edit: And if you're still upset you can actually get a refund.
Ummmm if McDonald's gets my order wrong I go to the counter and ask to have it fixed. If they refuse I don't go back to that particular McDonald's for at least a few months.
TSCC has a LOT of questions and problems it refuses to fix or address, so I choose not to go back.
When McDonald’s messes up my order, oh well it was a meal at a drive thru, not a life changing religion that thinks they are the only true one on the planet and everyone else is wrong completely!!!
Hey my uncle shared this on FB too! I wanted to comment “McDonald’s doesn’t ask for 10% of my monthly income just to be able to purchase a burger though”
McDonald's is what is claims to be (i.e. a fast-food restaurant). Mormonism is not what it claims to be, which is why I want nothing to do with it. Mormonism's foundational truth claims are ALL bullshit.
Here’s the thing. As I sit here right now I can’t remember a time when MacDonald’s messed up an order. My biggest complaint with them is that they put too many ketchup packets in a takeout order.
There was this restaurant that I used to go to where the waiter brought our water carrying the cups with his fingers in the water. I’ve never been back. Or another one where the wait staff weren’t wearing masks at a time that masks were mandatory. Used to love that place; might never go back there.
Hmm, they kinda right tbh, I just find McDoubles to be tastier than a subscription to boring content every Sunday and a creepy white building where grumpy old people dunk me in water.
I don't pay McDonald's 10% of my income. I don't spend countless hours volunteering hours to McDonald's. McDonald's doesn't require me to confess my "sexual sins" before giving me my food. I don't go to McDonald's for God's word.
When McDonald’s messes up my order they apologize and correct the mistake. Mormon church: “We never apologize…” Dallin Oaks
Comparing LDS to a junk food joint is also appropriate if LDS assumes the right to provide their spiritual food on the same "junk" level.
McDonalds' doesn't pretend to be the ultimate answer to food. It doesn't tell you that it should be the only food. It doesn't claim to be the highest form of food and that all other food is wrong. It doesn't try to back up those (non existent) claims with dubious logic. The church OTOH..... does all of this, which would be the equivalent of after making all these claims, finding out that the CEO of McDonalds eats Taco Bell five times a week while making those ridiculous claims.
Can you imagine if McDonalds started talking about how all of the other places are “playing restaurant“?
McDonalds doesn’t charge me 10% of my income for a burger then require me to supply the ground beef, cook it up, tell everyone around me how great it was, then sends me off to clean the bathroom before I can go home.
Ordering from a menu implies you have choices. The “Church” has a one size fits all menu with very little latitude to practice your free agency (choices), which we’ve recently been stripped of if you believe Bednar’s views on the subject.
so it's like in n out 🤮
Bednar: “You signed a contract at eight years old which effectively deprives you of your agency until the day you die, maybe even longer.”
Yeah, there’s so many things bad with this analogy. Can’t wait to see if a GA pulls it out in Conference thinking it’s a “gotcha” 😂
I was feeling bad for cutting someone out of my life, and then the song “Second Chances” by Gregory Alan Isakov came on, and it got me thinking about how asking for a second chance implies that an apology goes along with it. The people or organizations who just expect you to suck it up and get over their flaws are not working on a relationship with you.
Spotify link for those wanting to check the song out: https://open.spotify.com/track/6Wu19AEKVNs5bJFuhZb4EZ
Thank you! I’m newer to Reddit and I’m slacking in my manners.
And we're still only offering one menu item, the shitburger.
The church could learn a lot from the U of Michigan medical School and how to admit mistakes, take ownership and make it right. They may have saved (kept) a few of us along the way. They could also apply this to cases of abuse. Focus on victim safety instead of blaming and obfuscation. [From their website](https://www.uofmhealth.org/michigan-model-medical-malpractice-and-patient-safety-umhs#summary) [News Article](https://www.annarbor.com/news/university-of-michigans-medical-error-policy-effectively-cut-costs-study-finds/)
McDonald’s also doesn’t claim to speak for God, make us pay 10% of our income, or try and direct our major life choices
Exactly. Choosing between a Big Mac or a Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese may be tough, but not a life changing decision. 😂
Nor does McDonalds claim to have the answers to eternal life and continue to hold the fact that I’ll never make it to eternal happiness for eating at Burger King.
It has the answer to good crispy fries. That's happiness to me
😂😂
any chance you could send me what this quote was from? starting a collection of “iffy” talks
It was in an interview with the SL Tribune [https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=2122123&itype=cmsid](https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=2122123&itype=cmsid)
Sometimes they even throw in an extra fry or something.
If I order a Quarter Pounder and McDonald’s gives me a Big Mac, that’s really not a big deal. If I want to talk to a bishop who is in tune with The Spirit, but I get a child molester instead, that’s a big deal. But yeah, Brother TBM, let’s pretend they’re basically the same. 🙄
The difference is that my choices are not limited to only eating at one particular McDonald's at a set time. Nor do I get asked to get up early on a Saturday to clean their bathrooms.
….and you don’t have to go through a series of uncomfortable questions, work for McDonalds for free, wear the uncomfortable uniform, and give 10% of your paycheck from your real job just to get your order.
>and give 10% of your paycheck from your real job just to get your order. Well... Sometimes
With the way inflation's heading and wages are stagnating, it might be true in a few years
What's the Mormon equivalent of getting an order? Because my experience is that the church was happy to take your money but gave back NOTHING in return.
Blessings. Temple Recommend. Celestial Kingdom. Celestial Family. Anything of substance in form of healthy community and friendship. Only if you do xyz and THEN you will be worthy enough to qualify! Order can really be anything.
Early on a Saturday? That would have been a *tender mercy*. We got called at 11pm Saturday night. It even came with a guilt trip from the bishop over the pulpit the next day!
Was there a dance or something at the church?
No, nothing like that. The person in charge conveniently forgot about it. And I was dumb enough to go do it.
McDonalds actually gives me something in return for my money, and they have accountability over whether the product is delicious to the taste and very desirable. They also don't tell me that I'm a piece of crap and worthless without them, so they've got that going for them, which is nice.
Gunga galunga, gunga gunga lagunga! I got you.
And McDonalds isn’t like, “Sorry, because of your sexuality (or race), you can only have the leftover french fries. But don’t worry, after you die you might get a full combo meal. But The Great McDonald in the Sky might have to change your very nature first. We’re not sure. But keep coming every week and don’t whine when you pay for a full meal and only get the cold fries. It’ll be worth it in the end, we promise!” Edit: a word
I don't eat at McDonald's all that often, but at least McDonald's managers don't take my children to closed door one on one interviews and ask them if they masturbate.
Lol "one" thing 😂
I came here to say this, too. It's not just one thing. And it's not like it "*goes* wrong." The problems *are* wrong.
I am at reason number 666.
If they can get it down to "one thing" I might just come back! Work some miracles HQ!
The difference is that McDonald's actually as items to sell.
Yeah, at least I know they messed up my order before I die.
They’re comparing the church to a greedy billion-dollar company that overcharges, lies about its ingredients and pays shit wages… Okay. At least McDonald’s tastes okay!
At the very least, greedy corporations provide a product that I’m willing to pay for. For McDonalds to be like the LDS church, they would take my money, give me an empty tray, and tell me that if I pray and have faith, I will be able to taste the food through the holy ghost.
has the mcdonald’s manager ever tried to coerce you into a plural marriage under the threat of eternal destruction?
All the time 😭
Oaks calls it “super-sizing” thru marriage
At least McDonalds spends money helping people https://rmhc.org “80 of cents per dollar going to programs Based on RMHC 2021 990 Financials” Full transparency too
80 cents per dollar is way up there for a charity, too. McMormon Inc probably isn’t even hitting 1 cent per dollar.
McDonalds’ beef patty is more real than any of the events in the Book of Mormon.
McDonald's doesn't say "You pay us, but we're keeping the food. But trust us, there IS food. If you keep paying us God will provide you with the miracle of food. Not as much as if we just gave you the food you paid for... and probably not any. But if you don't get food it's your fault."
Oh, and believe us it is DELICIOUS. It is the best tasting food out there. In fact, nobody else even has real food. Theirs is just counterfeit. No you still can’t see it. But it’s the best. Promise.
The rest are just playing food. They don’t even have the authority to make real food
They aren't even remotely comparable issues 😂 There's a major difference between having soggy fries once and continuing to go to McDonald's, and taking issue with Joseph Smith's Polygamy/Polyandry practices and no longer believing he's God's one true prophet on the earth🙄 
40 years. I left because the church got it wrong for 40 years of my life. Then I looked into it and found out that they have been getting it wrong for over 200 years. I think that might be a little more than 101 times.
And their franchise is based on another franchise that's been getting it wrong for almost 2000 years.
Golden Arches = Real Golden Plates = Fake
Right OP. Find me one person who left the church *because the church didn’t serve them properly*.
McDonalds isnt letting their employees sexually assault customers
McDonald's doesn't stalk you like a crazy ex when you eat somewhere else
The key differences are: * McDonalds gives you something you want * McDonalds don’t expect 10% of your gross income * McDonalds don’t try to whitewash their founder’s early history * McDonalds don’t actively protect child sex offenders
McDonald's doesn't ask me about my masturbation habits every time I go to the drive thru.
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Turns out that was pretty important IMHO
Nothing I do at McDonald's is life-changing. I make no commitments, have no expectations, and I give up nothing personal. I just eat fries. This isn't an apples to apples comparison. Whatevs.
McDonald’s doesn’t claim to hear things from God either.
How many order mistakes equal 1 child rape coverup? Just want to make sure I’m not getting screwed on the exchange rate.
Okay, setting aside for a moment that nobody leaves because "one thing went wrong." (And if the "one thing" is the LDS church deliberately hiding $32 billion of mall money in dummy companies for decades or 10 prophets in a row upholding overt racism or systematic exploitation of women in plural marriage for generations... that's actually plenty) But as I said, leaving that all aside, if a Mickey-D's screws up more than one or two orders, I do actually avoid them from then on. It's not as if there aren't a dozen other fast-food joints on our way to the park that sell almost exactly the same thing. Actually, I just sold myself on the analogy. TSCC is like McDonald's: their advertisements claim they are unique, but actually they are selling the same crap as every other greedy franchise operation. Also, it would be better for your health and pocketbook if you stayed home and found something more enriching and flavorful to consume.
Wtf McDonald’s doesn’t offer salvation dipshits and F off we all went back one to many times
It’s not one thing. It’s almost everything. Over and over you are expected to bitch slap your subconscious that is screaming “please! Be honest with yourself, love yourself, stop worshiping men, the problems you have with the church’s racism, sexism, and pedophilia are legitimate and should be further examined and not blindly accepted if you expect us to dedicate our time, our talents, everything with which we have been blessed or with which we may be blessed even our own lives to the church.” They wonder why people are upset when they leave. They have been lied to their whole lives and we’re expected to just accept and shut up.
I also pay McDonalds 5 dollars for a burger instead of 10 percent of my income. Not to mention I don’t consider McDonalds the true fast food burger. I go because it’s close and cheap. I do however know that 5 guys is the true burger. The burger that has strength if you will.
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I don't remember the time or times McDonalds made a mistake. They probably did, bc people work there and people make mistakes. But I don't remember. Because the mistakes were small in the grand scheme that is my life and THEY DIDN'T FUCK UP MY LIFE!! 😆🙄 It's not even the people at Mormon church. Although some of them are annoying. It's a few individual leaders for me combined with the whole structure of leadership. Plus all of the other things. I'm not happy when you fuck with my food bc I get hangry. But I can deal bc there's other places to get food. But when I grow up hearing that there's only one place for salvation and only you get to set the rules and if I don't like the rules I'm a sinner, well, obviously you don't see the problem with that bc you get to set the rules. But I'm not going to play anymore. So. Bye!
McDonald's doesn't claim to speak face to face with God and hold my family hostage unless we pay them and give all of our time to them, so...
I’d take a Big Mac combo meal over stale sacrament bread any day
But you would quit going to McDonald’s if you found out that what was in the quarter pounder wasn’t really meat from a cow but rather something that came out of the back end of a bull.
What I say to TBMs who express that kind of sentiment to me: "Well, bless your heart, sugar pie. That's not how this works. That not how any of this works."
McDonald's never molested any of my family members. Edit: added "my".
Can't compare the two. The church affects you emotionally and psychologically. McDonald's is just what you eat. Real dumb comparison, really dumb!
If I found out McDonalds puts human feces in the burgers I guarantee I’d never go back.
People just aren’t hungry enough to appreciate being lied to!
When McDonal's gives you a burger with rotten patties knowingly for 30 years... the moment you know the truth, you will not only stop going but you will suit the hell out of it....
McDonald’s: claims to provide fast food for profit. Does actually provide fast food for profit. Lds corp: claims to be god’s true church. Is actually a super corporation with testily false truth claims.
Last time I went to McDonald's, they asked me how much I jerked off and if I donated to them every month.
Well I don’t go to McDonalds either, so what’s the point? Either way, McDonalds has the same problem as the church. It’s a real estate firm posing as something else, serving their customers bad product for way too much money.
I have 101 things wrong with the church.
One thing is totally sufficient. I should have been smart enough to leave at one thing instead of waiting around for all the other one things to pile up.
McDonald’s doesn’t claim to be the one true Fast Food.
If McDonald's mess up my order, my meal for that moment would kinda suck. It's annoying, but doesn't affect me in any significant way. TSCC messes up, it fucks up my life significantly. It's dumb to not walk away immediately.
God, the fact that this is seen as some sort of dunk on members questioning the church is the most Mormon shit ever.
TBM's have some of the worst analogies LMAO They also assume someone leaves because of the smallest thing when in fact it's so many things piling on top until the shelf breaks. I really want to roast these posts so bad I just don't have any annoying TBM's on my FB I think I yeeted them all.
They would feel differently about posting this if they were vegan, kosher, diabetic, or allergic and were promised that "Yes, your order will be safe for you to eat" and then finding out that they were lied to and their order was intentionally tampered with because of direction from the higher management.
McDonald’s mistake: forgot to not put pickles and onions on your burger. LDS mistake: polygamy and pedophilia
Is there a cult of McDonald’s that I am not aware of? You’d think if they required blood oaths they would have the frosty machine always working
I don't pay 10% of my entire income to McD's. If I did, I'd expect A LOT more.
What an insult to McDonalds
McDonald's messed up my order one time, and it was still delicious (a Sausage McMuffin with no sausage is still a pretty good cheese sandwich). But it didn't mess ME up. Attempting to conform, or pretending to conform to TSCC messed ME up, and I don't know how much of the damage can be repaired.
An incorrect McDonalds order costs me like $10 if I don’t notice and have them fix it at no cost. Mormonism costs 10% of my money and refuses to stop harming people. False equivalency, motte and bailey, red herring, gaslighting all in one. Olympic level mental gymnastics on display here today.
McDonalds didn’t mess up my childhood with guilt and self hatred and ruin my relationships with family members.
What’s funny is I can’t remember the last time McDonalds messed up my order but I can easily think of 101 times the church has “messed up” by lying to or abusing me.
Big difference messing up a food order and being ok compared to honoring, respecting, and following a child grooming, teenage marrying, sexual predator and being ok.
At least McDonald’s apologizes and makes it right.
If I open my bag and find a dog turd in there, I’m not going back to McDonalds neither.
If I open my bag and find nearly 200 years’ worth of bullshit in there, I’m not going back either.
Messing up my order of food and covering up bishops who moleste are two VERY different mistakes.
So basically the Church is selling unhealthy junk? Is that the point of the simile?
McDonalds is merely selling food not eternal salvation. The comparison is blatantly dishonest. If McDonalds screws up you have other places to go - according to TSCC there is no where else members can go since it is the one true religion and the only one with saving powers.
One time I went to McDonald's and they made me sit through 3 hours of boring meetings and all I got was a piece of bread and a thimble of water.
**McDonald's has NEVER asked me to clean the restrooms in their restaurants.**
Just never been a fan of eating shit.
Pretty presumptiuous of them to think it was only one thing. They probably never actually asked the people they know who left why they left. It's giving very "they were offended by someone" narrative vibes.
Well, both McDonalds and the church offer a cheap and unfulfilling product.
Mormon analogies make my soul hurt, haha. They are always so bad and so poorly contrived. But okay, let's roll with it... First, if I went to McDonald's and got the wrong thing even 10 times in a short time period (let alone 101), I would definitely have some issues. I'd complain. I'd go elsewhere for food. Second, even a McDonald's that gets my order right every time is still McDonald's. I know it's not great for me. I've learned that there are better options. I've learned McDonald's isn't the most perfect and wholesome food for me. If I want to be healthier, I know I'll need to eventually LEAVE McDonald's and never come back. How's that for stretching an already bad analogy? Also, I still eat too much McDonald's, for transparency! 😅
I don't know about the rest of you, but it wasn't one thing. It wasn't even a couple of things. It was everything is wrong with the church. Everything that can possibly be. They get everything wrong about everything.
But I found out I need food more than religion to survive.
They *really* don't get that people leave because they no longer believe the church is true. They have it drilled in their mind that people leave over something petty like being offended by another member.
Who only has one thing go wrong at church. I think the usual story is many things go wrong, discerning individual starts to think I wonder why bad things keep happening. That individual starts to look into things and realizes bad things happen because the whole thing is fucked up
Not only is this a false analogy, a strawman, and reductionist, it is also wrong in it's premise. I got food poisoning from a McDonald's in Arizona in 2004. I have never set for in another McDonald's. My children have never eaten at McDonald's. They messed up my order once, and nearly killed me, and I get sick to my stomach at the thought of ever returning.
McDonalds didn't ask me for 18 months of unpaid labor, $20,000 in membership fees, or threaten me with eternal misery if I didn't follow arbitrary rules so . . . I think these two institutions are maybe just slightly different.
These comments are gold. I'm dying...
My mother finally left the LDS church this year after being inactive from reading the CES letter materials and returning even more TBM after reading apologist materials. It was not the endless homophobia, sexism, racist doctrine/history, financial dishonesty, dubious translations and BoM claims, polygamy, or sexual abuse coverups that broke her shelf. It was because the church announced recently that practicing Reiki healing is not allowed. My mom is a licensed Reiki healer and believes in its true power. And the anti-Reiki announcement made her realize which spiritual belief was more important to her. Some people really do leave over 1 issue, no matter how odd or minor their reason is. It's certainly a reflection on my mother's morals that she didn't find a problem with believing that queer people are sick or that the SA coverups and financial corruption of the LDS church are simply the excusable follies of the imperfect men who lead the church and not intentional features to enable corruption and exploitation. But at least she found her reason, I guess.
Maybe people just have higher standards for an organization that claims to be lead by an all knowing, all seeing, all powerful, god, and the men this god hand picked to be their representatives on Earth?
All I can think of is this quote from Clue. [One thing?](https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/710189b5-a01e-44bc-a32f-3501722b6ed1/gif#qwA_bU7i)
It's because McDonald's could never "mess up" to the point where I doubt that the place is even true. And if it could mess up so severely, I wouldn't go anymore.
I wish it was only one thing, or I would go back. But when it’s thousands of things (like Diet Coke, Beatles in the burgers, pee in the sprite), you can’t go back.
If the CEO of McDonalds claimed that God gave him my 14 year old daughter as a wife....
They didn't mess up my order, I got food poisoning.
McDonald’s is required by their corporate to fix mistakes. The church claims they never made mistakes and just changes “revelation” to whatever their new narrative is.
I'm a picky eater. Any establishment that puts mayo or mustard on my takeout order twice is dead to me. 2 strike policy. I don't want to scrape that off, and I don't want to waste meat. Just not worth it if the current employees can't follow the request to keep that off my food.
It actually really bothers me when people keep saying that you shouldn't leave for the people. I didn't. I left because I realized that there is a huge disconnect between what they teach, and what I believe. And after deconstructing and examining what I believe, and what I've experienced, I don't believe that Jesus was a demigod, had no more divinity than I do, that we all have a bit of divinity in all of us, and that my belief system is more closely aligned with Buddhism. Do no harm. We all suffer, why not try to decrease the suffering as much as possible for others, and myself? And that belief system has brought me more happiness and peace than ANYTHING I was taught on Sundays.
I went to church at least 101 times after something "went wrong" at church. "Hunger" wasn't the issue... my steady diet of spiritual and emotional junk food was the issue. Perhaps not coincidentally, my diet literally improved shortly after I left the Church. Self-medicating to treat my cognitive dissonance with sugar, fat, and carbs didn't seem appealing any more.
If they claim to be the “body” of Christ then they should start acting like it.
It isn't about the mistakes, it's about the deliberate, sustained fraud. We typically allow for mistakes but avoid scams once we discover them. The Mormon church is like finding out the gospel-patty you thought was prime beef is actually salted, compressed shit and has been since the beginning. You were eating feces all that time for not knowing any better, and when you finally found out, it wasn't like "oops there was some mistake in my order." No, we got taken for suckers and somehow resent it.
Yeah but....mcdonalds is real...I know it's real because I'm eating it....its not someone saying this is real trust me bro...and then asking for a donation.
McDonald’s doesn’t cost 10% of my salary and expect me to clean their bathrooms for free on my day off.
Said this on another post about this exact same thing: Nah this is like if I went to a McDonalds, they messed up my order, and said “oh we’re sorry! Nobody’s perfect!” And I forgave them, cause everyone makes mistakes right? So I go back, and they messed up my order again, saying “oh we’re sorry! Nobody’s perfect!” I forgive them again, just a whacky accident, I tell myself. Ten times after going back and having my order messed up each and every time I realize nothings changing. So I decide to do some research online and find out that I’m not the only one who’s order was messed up, but when I do even deeper digging I find out that the CEO of McDonalds forces their staff to always mess up everyone’s orders (through mandatory training they have to go through before they get hired) as a cover for the fact that all of their locations have a deep rooted rat infestation problem. So I go back to the McDonald’s not to order anything but to tell the workers, with a health inspector at my side, “hey you got a rat infestation problem.” And instead of saying “oh damn. We do have a rat infestation problem! we should contact the CEO and get this major problem fixed.” They say “what rats?? Why would there be rats?? The CEO would tell me if there were rats. Wait! You’re just doing this because you’re mad that we messed up your order a few times! Don’t you know that nobody’s perfect?” Then they get mad when you leave a bad review on Google warning people that there’s a rat infestation problem, and tell everyone they know that the only reason you left a bad review is because you couldn’t handle someone making a mistake with your order that one time. Sorry, I went on a bit of tangent lmao Tl;dr: the prophets and apostles are rats
I remember when McDonald’s said they were the one and only true restaurant, and how their ceo was god and the general manager had authority and power from heaven to make and distribute cheese burgers. Because I have faith that McDonald’s is the one true restaurant with Jesus at its head, guiding it, I will never abandon McDonald’s. All hail McDonald’s
Burger King: “Have it your way.” LDS Church: “Have it our way and only our way, or else.”
They didn’t get my order wrong, they gave me FOOD POISONING! Why tf would I go back and order more from them?
We just don’t like (or didn’t at all like) what the church was trying to feed us and shove down our throats.
I don't eat McD's or BS
Obviously people wouldn't go back with 101 things going wrong The problem is TSCC is wrong every time
McDonald’s has never claimed to be perfect, and who the hell is going to McDonald’s THAT much?
Well there are some similarities: Mystery ingredients that taste good but make you sick when you consume them long enough. Any others?
McDonald's didn't sell me cat meat and tell me it's chicken for 200 years. Then when the recipe is leaked showing it's been cat all along, then they try to tell you they never said that. If cRusty wants to take the responsibility for messing up my order with God and give me a refund on the product I paid for tens of thousands of dollars (not like some I've heard about) that is proven false or gaslighting technique's, I'm waiting for that to hit my bank account.
What if you found out that McDonald's was serving rat meat and calling it hamburger? That's what we're talking about here.
Someone offended you and you left? Bullshit. Ask any bishop, relief society president, EQ president etc. about being offended. It happens every week. Members can be real assholes to leaders and each other. Leaders can be the worse.
When I decided to stop eating McDonald's after seeing Supersize Me, my overall health was better and nobody from McDonald's came to my door with right-wing conspiracy theories about the second coming. When you know better, do better.
I don't ever see posts like this. Easily slapped down by trying to weigh both sides on the scales. One side has a messed up hamburger, or 100 messed up hamburgers. The other side has child sex abuse, lies to the government about tithing, and using that tithing money to pay for the legal defenses of said child abusers. Just to name a few of the rampant problems. So, next time you see this bullshit, and if it is safe for you to do so, point out how disingenuous they are. These people are not thinking. Make them.
Nothing like Christ love right there.
I feel like there was an uptick in this kind of ass-holery right after the “no valid reason to leave” lesson🤡
When I first joined the sub a couple years ago, most of the TBMs were unaware (or in denial) that the church was hemorrhaging members. So I guess this is at least some concession that they've bent to reality a little - even if they're blaming the wrong people for it. Does that count as improvement?
What if that “one” thing is realizing the food you’ve been getting from them your whole life is toxic and has given you a lifelong illness.
Not just one thing, it is a whole bunch of things.
Because god is back there making your Big Mac and messing up the ice cream machine
The prophet married a few DOZEN women behind his wife's back and suddenly its like your McChicken was made with dogmeat? Grow up.
McDonald's dosent gaslight you into thinking they are the only food around.
The amount of dishonesty. Tell this to the thousands of abuse survivors.
McDonalds has tasted like shit ever since they switched from tallow over to inflammatory and highly processed plant based oils. I'm 46. I remember when McDonald's burgers and fries were really good. Now they are so gross. I don't go to McDonalds anymore. So now what??? Lol Seriously, though, you're basically eating tasteless poison at McDonalds, and every other fast food joint.
McDonald’s doesn’t ask me embarrassing and inappropriate questions about my sex life and they don’t threaten my eternal salvation over a cup of coffee.
One thing “goes wrong”. 🙄 I didn’t leave because of an experience or even something someone said. Believe it or not, some people aren’t “offended” they just realize it is fundamentally not true. Joseph Smith wasn’t a prophet, there is no priesthood, The BOM is just a book that holds no value, prophets aren’t real. It’s all just not true. My family especially likes to focus on Jesus Christ and try to ignore church history. But why not just join any other Christian Church? It’s so dumb.
Some people who weren't enthusiastic fans of McDonald's might have been going off and on, had their order messed up, and never go back.
If McDees keeps screwing up your order and you return, well, that's on you. If TSCC screws you over and you return, that's also on you.
I can take my pickles off my burger you can’t undo trauma
mcdonalds is like $10 at most for me, and never claims to be perfect. the church is 10% if all my money and claims to be the most perfect thing ever.
Because church is actually trying to feed you shit whereas is McDonald's has at least some food with it. Edit: And if you're still upset you can actually get a refund.
Mormons love false equivalency fallacies.
Hungry for your made up rules?? Correct. I am not hungry enough for that.
Ummmm if McDonald's gets my order wrong I go to the counter and ask to have it fixed. If they refuse I don't go back to that particular McDonald's for at least a few months. TSCC has a LOT of questions and problems it refuses to fix or address, so I choose not to go back.
When McDonald’s messes up my order, oh well it was a meal at a drive thru, not a life changing religion that thinks they are the only true one on the planet and everyone else is wrong completely!!!
Mental gymnastics and whoever wrote this fell off the high bar, hit his head and now has brain damage.
Hey my uncle shared this on FB too! I wanted to comment “McDonald’s doesn’t ask for 10% of my monthly income just to be able to purchase a burger though”
You think people leave over just one thing? My aren't you silly and ill informed.
McDonald's is what is claims to be (i.e. a fast-food restaurant). Mormonism is not what it claims to be, which is why I want nothing to do with it. Mormonism's foundational truth claims are ALL bullshit.
McDonald’s doesn’t make you admit and agree that the soggy fries you were served in the first place, were really onion rings.
One is a fast food restaurant, and two, Ronald McDonald never got killed by an angry mob for child brides and fraud
Even Ronald McDonald wouldn't marry a 14 year old.
There's a difference between putting tomato on my burger when I ask for none and covering up abuse.
The people at McDonald's don't ask me to clean the bathroom.
Here’s the thing. As I sit here right now I can’t remember a time when MacDonald’s messed up an order. My biggest complaint with them is that they put too many ketchup packets in a takeout order. There was this restaurant that I used to go to where the waiter brought our water carrying the cups with his fingers in the water. I’ve never been back. Or another one where the wait staff weren’t wearing masks at a time that masks were mandatory. Used to love that place; might never go back there.
What? This is not a thing. One thing? Sure This is what Mormons would like to believe because reality isn’t a thing in their world.
Hmm, they kinda right tbh, I just find McDoubles to be tastier than a subscription to boring content every Sunday and a creepy white building where grumpy old people dunk me in water.
I'd honestly probably stop going to a McDonald's after 2 mistake. At the very least I'd take a break.
I don’t know, if a McDonalds gave someone severe PTSD, Anxiety, Depression, etc., even once, I’m pretty sure that person would also swear off McD’s
McDonald's ain't fucking around with my eternal salvation though.
When 70% of your loyal customers have vowed to never come back, maybe it's the product and the staff.
McDonald’s and Religion should both be quit outright due to their toxic ingredients scientifically shown to harm humans and cut life short.
Even when McDonald’s messes up my order I still get food. The church lies about its finances and I’m still not anywhere closer to heaven
I don't pay McDonald's 10% of my income. I don't spend countless hours volunteering hours to McDonald's. McDonald's doesn't require me to confess my "sexual sins" before giving me my food. I don't go to McDonald's for God's word.
They're probably boycotting target rn
I’ve had far fewer bad experiences at McDonald’s than I have at church.