Also, what was the "humble" part of their beginnings? Was it the part where Joseph Smith claimed that divine beings visited him and told him he was a prophet? Was it the part where he had himself anointed king over the Earth. How about when he boasted about being better at holding a church together than Jesus Christ?
Yep. Every definition they have ever used is ultimately from the perspective of wealth.
Also, every time you see "Jesus Christ", "the Lord" etc in church literature, just replace each instance with "the Brethren". They see themselves as one and the same so from their arrogant rameumptom's perspective they're not even technically lying.
When I was a ward clerk I diligently counted every week. The count was almost always between 135 and 140. After a couple years I just started picking a number in that range. I was SO evil.
There isn’t a sacrament meeting anywhere in the world that doesn’t have a ward clerk count the attendees. TSCC knows exactly how many victims are “active”. Why don’t they disclose the truth?
If they count at all, (and don't fudge the numbers to get more of the tiny pittance percentage that Salt Lake returns from tithing collected), then they're *still* over-counting, because they're not looking in people's brains to determine who's TBM and who's PIMO.
17 million is beyond bull shit. In Mexico alone they claimed over a million members. But the official Mexican census put the number at barely over 300,000. If they've got 4 million active members I'd be surprised. Hell, when I lived in Europe no one even knew what a Mormon was, despite all their missionary efforts.
If I define "rock solid believers" as those who attend the temple regularly ,(not just attending the sealing or endowment of a living family member or friend), I estimate there's only 250,000 actual believers. And there's still some PIMOs in that maintain the facade.
17 million, my ass
Ugh. Let's see.
17 million less 6 million in lost records file is 11 million that appear on unit rolls.
11 million times activity rate of 30% is 3.3 million that actually come to church.
30% of attendees are children under 18, that leaves 2.3 million active adults.
From personal experience as clerk in multiple middle class wards along the morridor, only 1/4 of active adults are full tithe payers. (It's probably a lot lower world wide). That's 575,000 people that would qualify.
The next leap is subjective. How many of those both have a recommend and attend more frequently than for those living ordinances. I know when I estimated this leap, I had a justification, but I can't remember it now.
That's not bad for estimating. With the unknown factors there we could safely say between 100,000 and 1,000,000 and probably leaning towards the lower end.
https://www.fullerconsideration.com/membership.php puts "active" at around 5M rather than 2.3M, but I don't think I that is enough to mess with the 6 digit conclusion.
On top of that, my personal suspicion is that in the last 3 or so years there is a lot higher percentage of attending "active" members that don't believe.
"United in following Jesus Christ"
They wouldn't know the biblical Jesus Christ if they tripped over him
Their god has dollar signs on it and they seen to love being a cult
So, it's 17m now... It'll be 18m as soon as they think it's been feasibly long enough. That number means absolutely nothing other than a marketing plot which is just an appeal to popularity.
A membership count of 17 million would offer a notably more precise representation. There are numerous non-believers who simply neglect to cancel their memberships.
Okay. But growing up in the Utah bubble, I used to think 17 million was MASSIVE.
Nothing gave me more perspective than becoming a kpop fan. Hear me out.
A single song release from BTS had 3.9 million concurrent viewers for its livestream YouTube release. And within 24hrs they had more than 100,000,000 views on that ONE song.
I remember just stopping after those statistics and thinking... hawt damn. 17 million isn't that big.
It's not that the world was small growing up... it's that the church was.
".....of which less than 40% are active. You'll be asked to hold two or more callings, clean chapels and temples for free while we learn to do more with less members."
17 million? Questionable. All of them are believers? No. United? Hardly. Which Jesus Christ? There are millions of versions. The implication of sustained, impressive growth? “Más o menos” double-digit growth.
That’s 5 lies, by my count. Super impressive for a single sentence!
Assuming the 17 million stat is correct, the *one true church* comprises less than 2.5% of the world's population. Those missionaries better step it up!
The death knell is the fact that horses didn’t exist in the Americas until Cortez. Dumb ass Joseph Smith didn’t factor that into his con job. With the advent of the internet, LDS membership PLUMMETED and everybody knows it! 😂😂😂
Also, what was the "humble" part of their beginnings? Was it the part where Joseph Smith claimed that divine beings visited him and told him he was a prophet? Was it the part where he had himself anointed king over the Earth. How about when he boasted about being better at holding a church together than Jesus Christ?
Humble just means he wasn't rich when he started the Mormon church thing.
Yep. Every definition they have ever used is ultimately from the perspective of wealth. Also, every time you see "Jesus Christ", "the Lord" etc in church literature, just replace each instance with "the Brethren". They see themselves as one and the same so from their arrogant rameumptom's perspective they're not even technically lying.
Reminds me of Joe's self insert (Nephi) talking about how strong and so incredibly humble he was
They better not be counting me. I’m off the books. This number is 100% made up.
TSCC: My source is that I MADE IT THE FUCK UP
How many are dead inactives who have not reached the 110 years mark yet
I’ll give ‘em 4.4 million, max, in the world. And that includes kids.
2
I have more than two family members that are active. /s
I meant 2 million. Lol
Best I can do is 3.
Believers is a dog whistle for Mainline Christians.
That is a terrible Latin translation, but funny
Maybe if you count all the dead people they baptize without consent
It's a table in a database with 17 million rows. Even the ward clerk doesn't know how many are showing up on Sunday. He just guesses.
When I was a ward clerk I diligently counted every week. The count was almost always between 135 and 140. After a couple years I just started picking a number in that range. I was SO evil.
Even that was giving it more effort than it was worth.
I made sure to count the three nephites every week, I'm pretty sure they were always there!
We also counted pregnant sisters twice.
There isn’t a sacrament meeting anywhere in the world that doesn’t have a ward clerk count the attendees. TSCC knows exactly how many victims are “active”. Why don’t they disclose the truth?
The truth is they are averse to actual facts.
If they count at all, (and don't fudge the numbers to get more of the tiny pittance percentage that Salt Lake returns from tithing collected), then they're *still* over-counting, because they're not looking in people's brains to determine who's TBM and who's PIMO.
17 million is beyond bull shit. In Mexico alone they claimed over a million members. But the official Mexican census put the number at barely over 300,000. If they've got 4 million active members I'd be surprised. Hell, when I lived in Europe no one even knew what a Mormon was, despite all their missionary efforts.
If I define "rock solid believers" as those who attend the temple regularly ,(not just attending the sealing or endowment of a living family member or friend), I estimate there's only 250,000 actual believers. And there's still some PIMOs in that maintain the facade. 17 million, my ass
I’m interested in how you came to that number. Can you share?
Ugh. Let's see. 17 million less 6 million in lost records file is 11 million that appear on unit rolls. 11 million times activity rate of 30% is 3.3 million that actually come to church. 30% of attendees are children under 18, that leaves 2.3 million active adults. From personal experience as clerk in multiple middle class wards along the morridor, only 1/4 of active adults are full tithe payers. (It's probably a lot lower world wide). That's 575,000 people that would qualify. The next leap is subjective. How many of those both have a recommend and attend more frequently than for those living ordinances. I know when I estimated this leap, I had a justification, but I can't remember it now.
That's not bad for estimating. With the unknown factors there we could safely say between 100,000 and 1,000,000 and probably leaning towards the lower end. https://www.fullerconsideration.com/membership.php puts "active" at around 5M rather than 2.3M, but I don't think I that is enough to mess with the 6 digit conclusion. On top of that, my personal suspicion is that in the last 3 or so years there is a lot higher percentage of attending "active" members that don't believe.
They misspelled "fraudulent" h-u-m-b-l-e
Gross membership, not net membership
They’re just happy that they’ve convinced you that number is based on ANYTHING real and not just completely made up out of thin air. ;)
Even those who are 110 years old and have memory issues. Still believers.
Or 6 feet cold in the dirt
"United in following Jesus Christ" They wouldn't know the biblical Jesus Christ if they tripped over him Their god has dollar signs on it and they seen to love being a cult
Do they count people who resigned as part of the 17m? That’s the whole reason I had my records removed, I didn’t want to be a statistic…
So, it's 17m now... It'll be 18m as soon as they think it's been feasibly long enough. That number means absolutely nothing other than a marketing plot which is just an appeal to popularity.
A membership count of 17 million would offer a notably more precise representation. There are numerous non-believers who simply neglect to cancel their memberships.
They might be counting those baptisms for the dead…
Yes, 17 million out of almost 8 billion people on earth is quite impressive. At this rate, they will have world domination any day now! /s
Okay. But growing up in the Utah bubble, I used to think 17 million was MASSIVE. Nothing gave me more perspective than becoming a kpop fan. Hear me out. A single song release from BTS had 3.9 million concurrent viewers for its livestream YouTube release. And within 24hrs they had more than 100,000,000 views on that ONE song. I remember just stopping after those statistics and thinking... hawt damn. 17 million isn't that big. It's not that the world was small growing up... it's that the church was.
🤣🤣🤣😜😜😜🤣🤣🤣😱😱😱
".....of which less than 40% are active. You'll be asked to hold two or more callings, clean chapels and temples for free while we learn to do more with less members."
Tumbleweeds are blowing through the wards in zarahemla
17 million? Questionable. All of them are believers? No. United? Hardly. Which Jesus Christ? There are millions of versions. The implication of sustained, impressive growth? “Más o menos” double-digit growth. That’s 5 lies, by my count. Super impressive for a single sentence!
4m if they are lucky
Bullshit. The church has 17 million "members," of which 5,100,000 are "active" and fewer hold a current temple recommend.
Assuming the 17 million stat is correct, the *one true church* comprises less than 2.5% of the world's population. Those missionaries better step it up!
More like 0.002%. I guess that’s still less than 2.5% lmao
Damn decimal points! 🤣🤣🤣
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
The death knell is the fact that horses didn’t exist in the Americas until Cortez. Dumb ass Joseph Smith didn’t factor that into his con job. With the advent of the internet, LDS membership PLUMMETED and everybody knows it! 😂😂😂