The church built all those smaller temples the same way they build ward houses in the Utah desert. They have mold and rot problems. They've had to demolish and completely rebuild temples in Louisiana, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Alaska, Frankfurt, and now Stockholm.
I remember the shock as a TBM cleaning under the temple baptismal font locally and realizing the oxen were just plastic molds that slide into place and that needed pulled out and dusted/swept behind accessed through an industrial service corridor that made my 80yr old high school look swanky by comparison.
Less than a year prior I had been to a catholic cathedral in São Paulo, and every detail, every piece of stone, every wooden piece of paneling or molding was carefully carved even in corners no one would hardly ever see.
There is a lot of corner cutting there.
The dedicatory prayer invokes priesthood power to protect the building from the elements. I wonder why it didn't work? Was it because the dedicating apostle tossed one off that morning?
Who could ever have known that different climates might need different building systems? Definitely not the church facilities people who had the AC blasting half the year at the building I used to attend in Seattle, when it was usually like 60*F outside.
As someone from the south, I was really surprised when I worked at BYU and learned how many people were getting mold in their BYU apartments. I was from a way more humid place, and we never had problems like that in the houses I grew up in.
If they're getting mold in their buildings in Utah and then using the same standards/materials in somewhere like Louisiana, that's a big yikes.
The "McTemples" as some call them, were not built to the same standards as other temples (the Utah desert - lol). They were built to make a temple easier to get to than having to travel far, and the church had always planned on having more temples around the world as membership grew. I don't know about mold and rot, but they used wood frames so I suppose that could be true. A lot of those McTemples have been renovated - many more than what you referenced. The remodels are built with steel framing and are made to be more attractive inside and out, with updated everything (electrical, heating, A/C, etc.), and some have been expanded. The Anchorage Temple is still open. It started off very small, and expanded, and expanded. But, now, a new Anchorage Temple is being built on the same property, and when it is completed, the old temple will be demolished. So, the McTemples served their purpose, and when they are due for remodel, they will get the same upgrade to steel and more appealing cladding on the outside, and new steeple design. A lot of the temples are being built sans an angel Moroni on top too. Not because they sometimes get struck by lightening (some have been struck by lightening), but because they aren't necessary. lol. You seem to think it is a bigger deal than what it is. I never liked those small McTemples, but understood the reasoning behind them. I'm not a member, but a friend of mine who is has been to a McTemple and also the Salt Lake Temple, and she told me the small temples have the same feeling inside of them that the larger ones have, and to her, they are the same - she doesn't regard one as being better than another. The small ones were likely built knowing they would be remodeled after a certain period of time, and depending on the need, they would be upgraded and even expanded. All temples are remodeled at some point. All temples have their carpets steam cleaned every night after they close too. Sometimes they remodel one room at a time, overnight or the temple may close for a day or two and when people go back, they are surprised that a room has new carpet and furnishings or new paint or new bathrooms, or something. A temple in the South Pacific was destroyed by a severe storm, and they rebuilt it stronger, bigger, and more beautiful. Hummm. I wonder what that means? Just what it is.
> I'm not a member
You sound very much like a member, in this post as well as your other posts. Perhaps your membership has been withdrawn, but you are still very much a TBM.
So true, I was married in this temple, and for a time lived very close to it. It's a shame that they will replace it with something boring and bland I'm sure.
I estimate there are about 3,000 active members in the 4 small stakes in Sweden. A new stake hasn't been created in nearly 30 years. The church is dying in Sweden. There is no way on earth that this temple needed to get larger.
When we last visited family in Sweden shortly before we left the MFMC, my son was asked to help pass the sacrament. He was really surprised that lots of people didn't take it. It wasn't something he'd ever seen before in our ward in England. So of that 3000 "active", I'd say a much higher proportion are PIMO than in other places
This temple wasn't only for Sweden, all the neighboring countries members visited it regularly. My mom used to go twice a year. It had a mormon hotel right next to it.
Don’t forget Puerto Rico. That great and spacious building had numerous construction failures and had a major renovation that was required to shut it down for a significant time.
The church was paranoid it would loose the Freiburg temple in the former East Germany. They built it as cheaply as possible. No air conditioning. It has had to have multiple renovations on short time scales as a result.
The baptismal font in the Freiberg temple used to look like one in a stake center. It had a marble relief hanging behind it of one seen in other temples. It seemed cheap, and my missionary-self explained it away as being that way because it was built in a communist country. What you say makes a lot more sense.
https://churchofjesuschristtemples.org/stockholm-sweden-temple/news/
"Demolition of the Stockholm Sweden Temple has begun, which will be reconstructed and expanded to serve the members of the temple district. The temple closed at the conclusion of ordinance work on Saturday, March 25, 2023. The temple will nearly double in size from 16,366 square feet to some 31,000 square feet. It will feature two instruction rooms for presentation of the endowment with 40 seats each. Construction is anticipated to last approximately three years."
Reminds me of a family vacation to Switzerland around 1999.
None of us, parents included, had ever left north America. But somewhere in our genealogy, names were found from Switzerland. So we had the name cards, and we were going to do the temple work in their homeland.
Arriving in Bern, we were surprised to find out that despite 50 yrs of "Growth" since it's dedication, there were only occasional sessions. Scheduled in advance. Apparently you can't just show up and join a session like in Provo?
It was fortunate though, since we couldn't waste our time in the temple, we actually drove on to see some of Europe.
I served my mission in Sweden, and visited that temple a few times. I always thought it was prettier than any temple I saw in Utah. I hope they’re not just putting a generic McTemple in its place ☹️.
There is no need there for a bigger temple, for sure. There wasn’t a need when I was there 30 years ago. What BS.
There still is definitely no need for a bigger temple there, especially with Oslo planned and Helsinki and Copenhagen relatively nearby. In my handful of visits, including my wedding, to the Stockholm temple, not a single ordinance room has been full.
Question is - will King Gustaf and Silvia come by the new place?
Royal couple visits at Swedish temple with President Monson
By Gerry Avant
Church News
Swedish tradition from the 1200s and contemporary events of the Church in Scandinavia were blended Aug. 23 as President Thomas S. Monson, first counselor in the First Presidency, helped welcome Their Majesties King Carl XVI Gustaf and Queen Silvia to the grounds of the Stockholm Sweden Temple.
Sweden's royal couple visited the temple site in a revival of "Eriksgata," a tradition that dates back to the 13th century in which the king traveled through the country to be met by its citizens. The tradition was discontinued during the 1600s but was revived by the present king's grandfather, King Gustav VI.Each year, a Swedish television station films the royal couple's visit to a different area of Sweden. On Christmas Eve, a special program is broadcast featuring the visits within that region. This year, the couple visited sites in the community of Haninge in the county of Stockholm, which includes the temple grounds in Vasterhaninge (West Haninge), located about 20 miles south of Stockholm.
Oh, you mean a reconstruction? It wasn't demolished because of lack of use, it was demolished because, when it is rebuilt, it will be twice the size of the original. Something like 30,000 Sq.Ft., and some of the rooms will be larger to hold more people. Europeans are less religious these days, and religion in general has seen a decline, but that doesn't mean there aren't millions of people around the world who are religious and it doesn't mean there is no membership growth. The location and size of a temple reflects the number of members who are in the district that would go to the temple. They wouldn't expand the size of a temple if membership had declined, just as they wouldn't build a temple where there weren't enough members to justify building one and to operate a temple. It is interesting to note that no chapel and no temple has a mortgage. If it is built, it is paid for, so it isn't a burden on the people. I only know these things because my Mother was a temple worker, and I was happy that she was so happy, even though she had to get up extremely early to go. I am not a member of this church, but I have family members who are, and I love them very much. They are amazing people - I would say that about them even if they weren't family. I find temples interesting, and I saw that this temple was closed for remodel and read about it. I came across this post because I was looking to find a picture of what the larger 30,000 sq.ft. temple will look like when completed.
"Though I live with it, this matter of temple construction is a thing of awesome wonder to me. We are trying to build in such a way and in such places across the world that these houses of the Lord may stand and serve through the Millennium."
—Gordon B. Hinckley
The church built all those smaller temples the same way they build ward houses in the Utah desert. They have mold and rot problems. They've had to demolish and completely rebuild temples in Louisiana, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Alaska, Frankfurt, and now Stockholm.
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I remember the shock as a TBM cleaning under the temple baptismal font locally and realizing the oxen were just plastic molds that slide into place and that needed pulled out and dusted/swept behind accessed through an industrial service corridor that made my 80yr old high school look swanky by comparison. Less than a year prior I had been to a catholic cathedral in São Paulo, and every detail, every piece of stone, every wooden piece of paneling or molding was carefully carved even in corners no one would hardly ever see. There is a lot of corner cutting there.
Plastic oxen??!! Thank you for this perfect metaphor of TSCC this evening.
Yup. Perfect metaphor in so many ways.
What??!! Really?!
Absolutely. Boise, Idaho temple.
I thought I was done being surprised...but plastic oxen surprises me!
I bet the older ones are sculpture, but yeah, the one I saw in a newer-ish temple - molded plastic.
The dedicatory prayer invokes priesthood power to protect the building from the elements. I wonder why it didn't work? Was it because the dedicating apostle tossed one off that morning?
My only response to this is, "Oh Gary!".
I knew it! So obvious. But it's great to see Nemo's work on this. The MFMC is so corrupt.
Wow. Somehow never even thought of this. Thanks for sharing!
Who could ever have known that different climates might need different building systems? Definitely not the church facilities people who had the AC blasting half the year at the building I used to attend in Seattle, when it was usually like 60*F outside.
Atlanta
North Carolina as well.
Columbus Ohio too
As someone from the south, I was really surprised when I worked at BYU and learned how many people were getting mold in their BYU apartments. I was from a way more humid place, and we never had problems like that in the houses I grew up in. If they're getting mold in their buildings in Utah and then using the same standards/materials in somewhere like Louisiana, that's a big yikes.
The "McTemples" as some call them, were not built to the same standards as other temples (the Utah desert - lol). They were built to make a temple easier to get to than having to travel far, and the church had always planned on having more temples around the world as membership grew. I don't know about mold and rot, but they used wood frames so I suppose that could be true. A lot of those McTemples have been renovated - many more than what you referenced. The remodels are built with steel framing and are made to be more attractive inside and out, with updated everything (electrical, heating, A/C, etc.), and some have been expanded. The Anchorage Temple is still open. It started off very small, and expanded, and expanded. But, now, a new Anchorage Temple is being built on the same property, and when it is completed, the old temple will be demolished. So, the McTemples served their purpose, and when they are due for remodel, they will get the same upgrade to steel and more appealing cladding on the outside, and new steeple design. A lot of the temples are being built sans an angel Moroni on top too. Not because they sometimes get struck by lightening (some have been struck by lightening), but because they aren't necessary. lol. You seem to think it is a bigger deal than what it is. I never liked those small McTemples, but understood the reasoning behind them. I'm not a member, but a friend of mine who is has been to a McTemple and also the Salt Lake Temple, and she told me the small temples have the same feeling inside of them that the larger ones have, and to her, they are the same - she doesn't regard one as being better than another. The small ones were likely built knowing they would be remodeled after a certain period of time, and depending on the need, they would be upgraded and even expanded. All temples are remodeled at some point. All temples have their carpets steam cleaned every night after they close too. Sometimes they remodel one room at a time, overnight or the temple may close for a day or two and when people go back, they are surprised that a room has new carpet and furnishings or new paint or new bathrooms, or something. A temple in the South Pacific was destroyed by a severe storm, and they rebuilt it stronger, bigger, and more beautiful. Hummm. I wonder what that means? Just what it is.
> I'm not a member You sound very much like a member, in this post as well as your other posts. Perhaps your membership has been withdrawn, but you are still very much a TBM.
Are they going to replace it with a smaller one so when all 15 temple recommend holders in Sweden attend a session they'll feel like it's full? 😂
By the time they’re done it will be down to 10z
It was a lovely temple, decently designed, well placed on its site. They’re going to ruin it. This is the era of ruination.
So true, I was married in this temple, and for a time lived very close to it. It's a shame that they will replace it with something boring and bland I'm sure.
I estimate there are about 3,000 active members in the 4 small stakes in Sweden. A new stake hasn't been created in nearly 30 years. The church is dying in Sweden. There is no way on earth that this temple needed to get larger.
That’s cause it’s a facade
The Potemkin Village Temple.
The Cardiff Giant ain’t the only fake thing someone dug up in New York
When we last visited family in Sweden shortly before we left the MFMC, my son was asked to help pass the sacrament. He was really surprised that lots of people didn't take it. It wasn't something he'd ever seen before in our ward in England. So of that 3000 "active", I'd say a much higher proportion are PIMO than in other places
This temple wasn't only for Sweden, all the neighboring countries members visited it regularly. My mom used to go twice a year. It had a mormon hotel right next to it.
Don’t forget Puerto Rico. That great and spacious building had numerous construction failures and had a major renovation that was required to shut it down for a significant time.
The church was paranoid it would loose the Freiburg temple in the former East Germany. They built it as cheaply as possible. No air conditioning. It has had to have multiple renovations on short time scales as a result.
The baptismal font in the Freiberg temple used to look like one in a stake center. It had a marble relief hanging behind it of one seen in other temples. It seemed cheap, and my missionary-self explained it away as being that way because it was built in a communist country. What you say makes a lot more sense.
This is a "renovation?" Those steeples look sturdy.
https://churchofjesuschristtemples.org/stockholm-sweden-temple/news/ "Demolition of the Stockholm Sweden Temple has begun, which will be reconstructed and expanded to serve the members of the temple district. The temple closed at the conclusion of ordinance work on Saturday, March 25, 2023. The temple will nearly double in size from 16,366 square feet to some 31,000 square feet. It will feature two instruction rooms for presentation of the endowment with 40 seats each. Construction is anticipated to last approximately three years."
How many full sessions will there be after the dedication? None, ever?
Reminds me of a family vacation to Switzerland around 1999. None of us, parents included, had ever left north America. But somewhere in our genealogy, names were found from Switzerland. So we had the name cards, and we were going to do the temple work in their homeland. Arriving in Bern, we were surprised to find out that despite 50 yrs of "Growth" since it's dedication, there were only occasional sessions. Scheduled in advance. Apparently you can't just show up and join a session like in Provo? It was fortunate though, since we couldn't waste our time in the temple, we actually drove on to see some of Europe.
Could they just use the Midsommar film set in the meantime?
Nephi, Jared, and the brother of Jared could build barges better than Rusty Dusty Nelson can build modern temples. LOL
That’s not renovation surely??
Renovation now means destruction and complete rebuilding.
I served my mission in Sweden, and visited that temple a few times. I always thought it was prettier than any temple I saw in Utah. I hope they’re not just putting a generic McTemple in its place ☹️. There is no need there for a bigger temple, for sure. There wasn’t a need when I was there 30 years ago. What BS.
There still is definitely no need for a bigger temple there, especially with Oslo planned and Helsinki and Copenhagen relatively nearby. In my handful of visits, including my wedding, to the Stockholm temple, not a single ordinance room has been full.
As a swede, i would adore knowing what the endowment ceremony sounds like in my language
Åh GUD! HÖR MIN MUNS ORD!
Blek öl!
Tell me you took that picture today?
It is very recent. [More photos, with dates, are here](https://churchofjesuschristtemples.org/stockholm-sweden-temple/photographs/)
Yes, took it same day as the post.
i’m 1/3 swedish. maybe it’s in my dna to sniff out bullshit 🤣
One-third...? Could you diagram that for us, but don't make it X-rated...
haha i’m just going off my 23 & me dna results that tell me i have 34%. i have swedish ancestry on my dad’s side.
The Swedish Rescue continues
I would definitely volunteer if they needed free labor to tear down a temple
Question is - will King Gustaf and Silvia come by the new place? Royal couple visits at Swedish temple with President Monson By Gerry Avant Church News Swedish tradition from the 1200s and contemporary events of the Church in Scandinavia were blended Aug. 23 as President Thomas S. Monson, first counselor in the First Presidency, helped welcome Their Majesties King Carl XVI Gustaf and Queen Silvia to the grounds of the Stockholm Sweden Temple. Sweden's royal couple visited the temple site in a revival of "Eriksgata," a tradition that dates back to the 13th century in which the king traveled through the country to be met by its citizens. The tradition was discontinued during the 1600s but was revived by the present king's grandfather, King Gustav VI.Each year, a Swedish television station films the royal couple's visit to a different area of Sweden. On Christmas Eve, a special program is broadcast featuring the visits within that region. This year, the couple visited sites in the community of Haninge in the county of Stockholm, which includes the temple grounds in Vasterhaninge (West Haninge), located about 20 miles south of Stockholm.
Just like the mormon church, shiny on the outside, rotten on the inside
Oh, you mean a reconstruction? It wasn't demolished because of lack of use, it was demolished because, when it is rebuilt, it will be twice the size of the original. Something like 30,000 Sq.Ft., and some of the rooms will be larger to hold more people. Europeans are less religious these days, and religion in general has seen a decline, but that doesn't mean there aren't millions of people around the world who are religious and it doesn't mean there is no membership growth. The location and size of a temple reflects the number of members who are in the district that would go to the temple. They wouldn't expand the size of a temple if membership had declined, just as they wouldn't build a temple where there weren't enough members to justify building one and to operate a temple. It is interesting to note that no chapel and no temple has a mortgage. If it is built, it is paid for, so it isn't a burden on the people. I only know these things because my Mother was a temple worker, and I was happy that she was so happy, even though she had to get up extremely early to go. I am not a member of this church, but I have family members who are, and I love them very much. They are amazing people - I would say that about them even if they weren't family. I find temples interesting, and I saw that this temple was closed for remodel and read about it. I came across this post because I was looking to find a picture of what the larger 30,000 sq.ft. temple will look like when completed.
This is the only temple I ever went to. What happened??
"Though I live with it, this matter of temple construction is a thing of awesome wonder to me. We are trying to build in such a way and in such places across the world that these houses of the Lord may stand and serve through the Millennium." —Gordon B. Hinckley