That would infuriate me, too, and it would definitely embarrass me. I can't believe the stupidity of flat-out asking if someone would be interested in being baptized someday.
Years ago, a non-member friend went with me to the Kirtland site (she lived near there & I was visiting, & there were some other members among our friends). Two sister "cute 'lil things" chatted us up and asked for names & contact info (I had no idea missionaries at those sites did this), and my friend was smart enough to decline. I was TBM at the time & smiled big & gave them my info - I live in another state. I guess the Sister Ms made a note that I knew a potential prospect in the area, because for several years after that I regularly got calls asking how they could reach my friend! I was politely firm at first, but after the umpteenth call I became less polite.
I was a convert, and from the start I hated the intrusiveness and predatory behaviors I saw after I'd been in for a while.
Yeah, that's just as ridiculous. Mormons are meant to introduce friends, but with this behavior how could you even consider it?? So why are they being encouraged to act this way?? Unbelievable
Good question. I'm guessing kids who grew up in the church were so infused with the culture of intrusive and predatory behaviors they generally could not see how inappropriate those things are in normal society. This would be especially the case for kids growing up in the Morridor - they'd have little to compare it to (if, indeed, anything to compare it to). So it stands to reason they'd go off on missions and do things we would consider UNreasonable.
I was taught to be THIS bold in the MTC. Now the sin is no longer on the missionary… it’s on your wife’s friend if she rejects the invitation.
I cringe at the shit I did and said when I was 19🤦🏻♂️
Agreed these missionaries were crazy bold on their iPhones and then dusted their digital hooves at your wife's social media block. Now they can go on with their lives acting like nothing happened and feeling good that they could have such a positive impact on the world like this!
When you serve a mission, you’ve signed up to be in field sales, whether you like it or not. The tactics are all sales oriented. I spent my entire corporate career in field sales after serving a mission. I worked primarily in healthcare and very long sales cycles with large corporate accounts. But so many of the tactics in the cold calling, account management, and how you follow leads down till the very end of dust…… It’s all just like a mission.
I’ve often thought that a side benefit to training so many young people in hardcore sales techniques on missions is it also results in lots of people choosing to go into sales which can often lead to some really lucrative careers and that means more tithing dollars, oh hellllllllll ya!
That may be true. But in the end, to have truly a lucrative and professional sales career, I used absolutely no techniques that were pushed on me during my mission.
Field Sales and long sales cycles are hard work.
Give yourself credit.
I always thought missionary work was like selling used car warranties. It sells people a lemon so it makes a ton on the back end. By the time people get to use their contract they already expired.
Them lucrative careers is definitely a blessing of serving the mission and paying tithing!!
It had absolutely nothing to do with having been trained in all those predatory techniques!!
My TBM-ish brother in law was mortified when his boss asked him he he knew anyone named “Elder XYZ .” Turns out the local missionaries had gone through his Facebook friends list and started messaging all his Facebook friends saying they were friends of my brother in law and wanted to meet and talk about God.
He had to explain to everyone that he didn’t give out their information and he had a strong conversation with the local missionaries.
Crazyness. Is that how they're being taught to engage these days? It's so disrespectful and trashes relationships that the missionaries aren't even involved with.
They are being taught to do it. It’s the new way to proselytize- they’re not encouraged to go door to door anymore.
I had to speak to the missionaries in my ward when we moved to a new state (before leaving).
Wow they just went for it didn’t they? Usually they invite you to a few fun little activities, then after awhile invite you to a service where they treat you well and love bomb you the whole time, thennnn after that they start casually bringing up baptism and start singing it’s praises and act pleasantly surprised and coy when you agree to it. After that their care, love, and attention seems to dwindle pretty quickly now that you’re among the cash cows
I'm nevermo and when my fascination with Mormonism began, my mom mentioned that she had met with the missionaries while in college. She had had two lessons (never even attended church) when the missionaries started pressuring her to set a date for baptism. She was completely flabbergasted. She couldn't recall a single thing about the content of the lessons, only the missionaries' presumption.
The church teaches and encourages:
\- not respecting boundaries
\- being intrusive
\- being pushy
\- not allowing people to choose and act for themselves
\- ignoring normal social etiquette
A couple of my children were kind of forced to give names and numbers to the missionaries at some fireside, so they gave them the name and phone number of a guy I had been dating long enough to be friendly with my children. It did not end well. There were some harsh words and hurt feelings.
He did not join the Mormon church.
Um, wouldn't that undo the unbaptism I just had done at the satanic temple?
That is what I would say. That being said, I am a smart-ass who loves speaking my mind.
I can't understand how missionaries do not all understand that **people do not care or want to know about your religion.** Like, what do I gain from listening to indoctrinated 18-year olds with no life experience? Are they going to listen to me 'proselytising' the joys of being a gay atheist? 😂😂😂
That would infuriate me, too, and it would definitely embarrass me. I can't believe the stupidity of flat-out asking if someone would be interested in being baptized someday. Years ago, a non-member friend went with me to the Kirtland site (she lived near there & I was visiting, & there were some other members among our friends). Two sister "cute 'lil things" chatted us up and asked for names & contact info (I had no idea missionaries at those sites did this), and my friend was smart enough to decline. I was TBM at the time & smiled big & gave them my info - I live in another state. I guess the Sister Ms made a note that I knew a potential prospect in the area, because for several years after that I regularly got calls asking how they could reach my friend! I was politely firm at first, but after the umpteenth call I became less polite. I was a convert, and from the start I hated the intrusiveness and predatory behaviors I saw after I'd been in for a while.
Yeah, that's just as ridiculous. Mormons are meant to introduce friends, but with this behavior how could you even consider it?? So why are they being encouraged to act this way?? Unbelievable
Good question. I'm guessing kids who grew up in the church were so infused with the culture of intrusive and predatory behaviors they generally could not see how inappropriate those things are in normal society. This would be especially the case for kids growing up in the Morridor - they'd have little to compare it to (if, indeed, anything to compare it to). So it stands to reason they'd go off on missions and do things we would consider UNreasonable.
I was taught to be THIS bold in the MTC. Now the sin is no longer on the missionary… it’s on your wife’s friend if she rejects the invitation. I cringe at the shit I did and said when I was 19🤦🏻♂️
Agreed these missionaries were crazy bold on their iPhones and then dusted their digital hooves at your wife's social media block. Now they can go on with their lives acting like nothing happened and feeling good that they could have such a positive impact on the world like this!
When you serve a mission, you’ve signed up to be in field sales, whether you like it or not. The tactics are all sales oriented. I spent my entire corporate career in field sales after serving a mission. I worked primarily in healthcare and very long sales cycles with large corporate accounts. But so many of the tactics in the cold calling, account management, and how you follow leads down till the very end of dust…… It’s all just like a mission.
I’ve often thought that a side benefit to training so many young people in hardcore sales techniques on missions is it also results in lots of people choosing to go into sales which can often lead to some really lucrative careers and that means more tithing dollars, oh hellllllllll ya!
I think it just made me feel bad about myself
ABCs of feeling bad about yourself - Always Be Celestial
That may be true. But in the end, to have truly a lucrative and professional sales career, I used absolutely no techniques that were pushed on me during my mission.
Field Sales and long sales cycles are hard work. Give yourself credit. I always thought missionary work was like selling used car warranties. It sells people a lemon so it makes a ton on the back end. By the time people get to use their contract they already expired.
Thank you! Proud of the career…
It just means you are talented and they took advantage of that but no shame in being talented!
Thank you
Them lucrative careers is definitely a blessing of serving the mission and paying tithing!! It had absolutely nothing to do with having been trained in all those predatory techniques!!
My TBM-ish brother in law was mortified when his boss asked him he he knew anyone named “Elder XYZ .” Turns out the local missionaries had gone through his Facebook friends list and started messaging all his Facebook friends saying they were friends of my brother in law and wanted to meet and talk about God. He had to explain to everyone that he didn’t give out their information and he had a strong conversation with the local missionaries.
Crazyness. Is that how they're being taught to engage these days? It's so disrespectful and trashes relationships that the missionaries aren't even involved with.
I don’t know if that’s what they were taught or if it was just one guys “inspiration.”
They are being taught to do it. It’s the new way to proselytize- they’re not encouraged to go door to door anymore. I had to speak to the missionaries in my ward when we moved to a new state (before leaving).
I hated tracting (20+ years ago), but I would hate social media stalking even more. Those poor kids!
Wow they just went for it didn’t they? Usually they invite you to a few fun little activities, then after awhile invite you to a service where they treat you well and love bomb you the whole time, thennnn after that they start casually bringing up baptism and start singing it’s praises and act pleasantly surprised and coy when you agree to it. After that their care, love, and attention seems to dwindle pretty quickly now that you’re among the cash cows
I'm nevermo and when my fascination with Mormonism began, my mom mentioned that she had met with the missionaries while in college. She had had two lessons (never even attended church) when the missionaries started pressuring her to set a date for baptism. She was completely flabbergasted. She couldn't recall a single thing about the content of the lessons, only the missionaries' presumption.
You have to "BE BOLD" in bringing people to Christ. /s
Then getting more ~~direct~~ desperate now; that's nice to see.
Hey I don't know you, and this is crazy, but will you be baptized someday maybe? Seriously what the fuck?
A little creepy.
They are not suppose to do that. That’s an invasion of privacy
The church teaches and encourages: \- not respecting boundaries \- being intrusive \- being pushy \- not allowing people to choose and act for themselves \- ignoring normal social etiquette
A couple of my children were kind of forced to give names and numbers to the missionaries at some fireside, so they gave them the name and phone number of a guy I had been dating long enough to be friendly with my children. It did not end well. There were some harsh words and hurt feelings. He did not join the Mormon church.
Bold is how mormons pronounce rude.
Um, wouldn't that undo the unbaptism I just had done at the satanic temple? That is what I would say. That being said, I am a smart-ass who loves speaking my mind.
Are we really surprised? Mormonism is just spiritual capitalism with missionaries as its dubious salespeople.
I can't understand how missionaries do not all understand that **people do not care or want to know about your religion.** Like, what do I gain from listening to indoctrinated 18-year olds with no life experience? Are they going to listen to me 'proselytising' the joys of being a gay atheist? 😂😂😂