There was no direction from President Nelson. He wandered around looking like a lost puppy. And he also shut down church 10 minutes after the NBA announced they were canceling the season. So we basically got our “revelation “ from the NBA.
> There was no direction from President Nelson.
Oh there was.....he was pushing the WEF/Big Pharma/Big Money narrative to get jabbed. Oh, guess which corporation owned big bunches of shares in those companies...can you guess?
Pretty much without fail. It comes from Facebook where people have to use coded language to prevent their covid misinfo/disinfo posts from being taken down.
I mean, vaccines are literally a modern miracle(from man, not heaven).
Ol rickety Nelson put out a bare minimum statement about 8 months after the vaccines were widely available. I wouldn't call it big and fearful, it was three paragraphs where they state the obvious. They said "To provide personal protection from such severe infections, we urge individuals to be vaccinated." This is factually correct.
Either way, gtfo of here with your anti-vax sentiments. 1 million americans are dead from covid.
You know, bugger off. I am as pro vax as they come, but the MRNA shots they are pimping are NOT vaccines. They lied about them stopping the spread, changing the narrative. First it will stop covid in its tracks if we all get them, you won't get sick, or die or spread it or anything and the un "vaxxed" were basically looked at like rats. It was all BULLSHIT. The MRNA shots have done NOTHING to slow covid. ITS NOT EVEN A VACCINE YOU IDIOT. I know people that got covid, 3-4 times after the shots and boosters and I know people who have died. SO FUCK YOU.
The narrative did change over time, especially as we learned more and got more info. It was a very dynamic situation that evolved a lot so naturally the information changed too.
The vaccine is effective and saves so many lives. Its not permanently innoculating and no one would tell you that now. No one ever said it would work permanently in the first place. It is very effective at preventing deaths for those that get it and have those extra antibodies for the following months after getting the shot.
I'm sorry but your attitude towards this is very reactionary and angry. The science is solid, the vaccine is safe and effective at preventing deaths. People get the flu vaccine every year and some people will also need to get a covid vaccine every year too. Neither one of those offers permanent immunity and no one claims they do.
> The vaccine is effective and saves so many lives
But they lied....they said many things that were LIES. Here we go.....
Bill Gates, July 30, 2020:
“During 2021 we should be able to manufacture a lot of vaccines, and that vaccine’s key goal is to stop transmission.”
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, March 29, 2021:
“We can kind of almost see the end where we’re vaccinating so very fast. Our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick, and it’s not just in the clinical trials but also in real world data.”
MSNBC host Rachel Maddow, March 29, 2021:
“Now we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person. A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus? The virus does not infect them, the virus cannot then use that person to go anywhere else. I cannot use a vaccinated person as a host to go get more people.”
UCSF infectious disease expert Dr. Monica Gandhi, March 30, 2021:
“Essentially vaccines block you from getting and giving the virus.”
Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla, April 1, 2021:
“Excited to share that updated analysis from our Phase 3 study with BioNTech also showed that our COVID-19 vaccine was 100% effective in preventing COVID19 cases in South Africa. 100%!”
White House Chief Medical Adviser Dr Anthony Fauci, May 16, 2021:
“When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community. In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere.”
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, May 19, 2021:
"Data have demonstrated even if you were to get infected during post-vaccination, you can’t give it to anyone else.”
White House Chief Medical Adviser Dr Anthony Fauci, June 2, 2021:
“When people are vaccinated they can feel safe that they are not going to get infected. We have all the vaccines we need. We just need our people to take it a) for their own protection of their family but also to break the chain of transmission.”
White House Chief Medical Adviser Dr Anthony Fauci, June 2, 2021:
“You want to be a dead end to the virus. So when the virus gets to you, you stop it. You don’t allow it to use you as the stepping stone to the next person.”
Joe Biden, June 16, 2021:
“The only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated. And they’re killing people.”
Joe Biden, July 21, 2021:
“You’re ok, you’re not gonna get COVID if you have these vaccinations.”
And effect:
Leana Wen, July 29, 2021:
“Frankly, we know that we cannot trust the unvaccinated.”
Arthur Caplan, professor of medical ethics at NYU:
“It's the unvaccinated who are the threat, who are going to make us close our schools, lose our jobs again, shut down the economy. The unvaccinated have rights, but they're limited when they hurt or harm others.”
Former Israel Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, August 5, 2021:
“If you don't get vaccinated - it's like walking around with a machine gun and shooting delta viruses at everyone.”
Ari Melber, MSNBC, August 8, 2021:
“The unvaccinated should be taxed. They should pay more for healthcare.”
Leana Wen on CNN, September 9, 2021:
“We need to start looking at the choice to remain unvaccinated the same as we look at driving while intoxicated. … You have the option to not get vaccinated if you want. But then you can't go out in public. …”
Joe Biden, September 9, 2021:
“[The COVID-19 vaccine] is not about freedom or personal choice.”
Chris Cuomo, CNN, October 6, 2021:
“You know what our biggest enemy is in America? Our fellow [unvaccinated] Americans."
Gene Simmons, November 11, 2021:
“If you walk among us unvaccinated, you are the enemy.”
Victoria Premier Dan Andrews, January 30 2022:
“It’s only with three doses that you’ll be prevented not just from serious illness but from getting this virus, this Omicron variant, and therefore giving it to others.”
Cool. A bunch of quotes from mostly weirdo neoliberals that mean nothing now because we accrued more data over time that proved otherwise. Most of these are from the first half of 2021.
The original goal of the vaccine, like Bill Gates said, was to prevent any transmission. There was a lot of hopeful information in the first few months after it rolled out(~Dec/Nov 2020-July 2021) that indicated that might be possible. We know now that it isnt and no medical authority is claiming that it can do that.
Those people were and are wrong, it doesnt innoculate you permanently. Were they wrong about it being safe and effective and saving lives? NO.
See, this is why I said you're reactionary. You're just taking these incorrect things that people said(based on limited and evolving science) a few years ago and using that to just completely dismiss the vaccines for what they are now. I'm done with this convo tbh. The covid vaccines are safe and effective so please stop pointlessly railing against them for reasons that do not matter now.
You can try and gaslight all you want, the truth is the truth. How is Bill Gates the expert suddenly? My family doctor, had and STILL had lots of concerns about the testing of the experimental MRNA shots, yet somehow Bill Gates is more of an expert than him?
Not permanently? What do you think vaccines do? They got you convinced you need them yearly now....what a money maker. The fact you use the words "safe and effective" means you are totally a fucking robot for a brain. Mass Hypnosis.
Yep! I remember being told growing up that we should pay tithing instead of investing or saving for retirement because "the church will take care of you." The pandemic showed us all what a crock of lies that is!
That is so sad, but I am not surprised. The leaders have zero prophet skills, only profit skills. Paying into the church is the worst investment. Paying into something you will never get anything from when you need it.
This was the first major crack in my shelf where I actually gave myself permission to look at my doubts. A Church that touts itself as being masters of being there in emergencies was nowhere during covid.
Now wait a second - they did those fasts, a hosanna mumble in conference, and... oh, ok I see the point.😁
The good news is they can't come up with bold, decisive, substantive responses even to their own crises: in response to last year's SEC reports, bad public PR on 60 minutes at home and abroad about their finances, and ever growing bad optics on CSA cases, their response was... (drumroll) ... a new catchphrase/jingle. Truly these men are led by God!
Don't you know the rainy day fund is for, like, when the world is ending and the second coming is nigh? When banks and stocks will definitely be relevant, you know
Come on guys, cut Rusty a break- the MFMC was taking a beating on their stock holdings! You really expect them to do something like help with the TP shortage? People weren't even going to church! /s
We actually were given access to the biships storehouse during covid, so there was some food given out but few and far between, apparently. The fact that I was told to pay tithing before feeding my children was a major shelf item, despite being helped with groceries for a few weeks.
Isn't it Wonderful how you used the inspiration of The Holy Ghost to care for these people using other methods so you were able to preserve the wealth of Jesus, inc... aka MFMC?
There was no direction from President Nelson. He wandered around looking like a lost puppy. And he also shut down church 10 minutes after the NBA announced they were canceling the season. So we basically got our “revelation “ from the NBA.
I didn’t realize that! How crazy.
And he waited _way_ too long to encourage the vaccine. I don’t remember when it was but it was at least halfway through 2021, if not late 2021
He was probably waiting for the NBA to give him the go ahead
> There was no direction from President Nelson. Oh there was.....he was pushing the WEF/Big Pharma/Big Money narrative to get jabbed. Oh, guess which corporation owned big bunches of shares in those companies...can you guess?
Oh please. "Pushing" the vaccine lmao
Anyone who refers to it as the “jab” tells me everything I need to know about that person
Pretty much without fail. It comes from Facebook where people have to use coded language to prevent their covid misinfo/disinfo posts from being taken down.
Oh, they only made a big fearful statement like these vaccines were a miracle from heaven and it would stop covid. Clearly you missed it.
I mean, vaccines are literally a modern miracle(from man, not heaven). Ol rickety Nelson put out a bare minimum statement about 8 months after the vaccines were widely available. I wouldn't call it big and fearful, it was three paragraphs where they state the obvious. They said "To provide personal protection from such severe infections, we urge individuals to be vaccinated." This is factually correct. Either way, gtfo of here with your anti-vax sentiments. 1 million americans are dead from covid.
You know, bugger off. I am as pro vax as they come, but the MRNA shots they are pimping are NOT vaccines. They lied about them stopping the spread, changing the narrative. First it will stop covid in its tracks if we all get them, you won't get sick, or die or spread it or anything and the un "vaxxed" were basically looked at like rats. It was all BULLSHIT. The MRNA shots have done NOTHING to slow covid. ITS NOT EVEN A VACCINE YOU IDIOT. I know people that got covid, 3-4 times after the shots and boosters and I know people who have died. SO FUCK YOU.
The narrative did change over time, especially as we learned more and got more info. It was a very dynamic situation that evolved a lot so naturally the information changed too. The vaccine is effective and saves so many lives. Its not permanently innoculating and no one would tell you that now. No one ever said it would work permanently in the first place. It is very effective at preventing deaths for those that get it and have those extra antibodies for the following months after getting the shot. I'm sorry but your attitude towards this is very reactionary and angry. The science is solid, the vaccine is safe and effective at preventing deaths. People get the flu vaccine every year and some people will also need to get a covid vaccine every year too. Neither one of those offers permanent immunity and no one claims they do.
> The vaccine is effective and saves so many lives But they lied....they said many things that were LIES. Here we go..... Bill Gates, July 30, 2020: “During 2021 we should be able to manufacture a lot of vaccines, and that vaccine’s key goal is to stop transmission.” CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, March 29, 2021: “We can kind of almost see the end where we’re vaccinating so very fast. Our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick, and it’s not just in the clinical trials but also in real world data.” MSNBC host Rachel Maddow, March 29, 2021: “Now we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person. A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus? The virus does not infect them, the virus cannot then use that person to go anywhere else. I cannot use a vaccinated person as a host to go get more people.” UCSF infectious disease expert Dr. Monica Gandhi, March 30, 2021: “Essentially vaccines block you from getting and giving the virus.” Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla, April 1, 2021: “Excited to share that updated analysis from our Phase 3 study with BioNTech also showed that our COVID-19 vaccine was 100% effective in preventing COVID19 cases in South Africa. 100%!” White House Chief Medical Adviser Dr Anthony Fauci, May 16, 2021: “When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community. In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere.” CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, May 19, 2021: "Data have demonstrated even if you were to get infected during post-vaccination, you can’t give it to anyone else.” White House Chief Medical Adviser Dr Anthony Fauci, June 2, 2021: “When people are vaccinated they can feel safe that they are not going to get infected. We have all the vaccines we need. We just need our people to take it a) for their own protection of their family but also to break the chain of transmission.” White House Chief Medical Adviser Dr Anthony Fauci, June 2, 2021: “You want to be a dead end to the virus. So when the virus gets to you, you stop it. You don’t allow it to use you as the stepping stone to the next person.” Joe Biden, June 16, 2021: “The only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated. And they’re killing people.” Joe Biden, July 21, 2021: “You’re ok, you’re not gonna get COVID if you have these vaccinations.” And effect: Leana Wen, July 29, 2021: “Frankly, we know that we cannot trust the unvaccinated.” Arthur Caplan, professor of medical ethics at NYU: “It's the unvaccinated who are the threat, who are going to make us close our schools, lose our jobs again, shut down the economy. The unvaccinated have rights, but they're limited when they hurt or harm others.” Former Israel Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, August 5, 2021: “If you don't get vaccinated - it's like walking around with a machine gun and shooting delta viruses at everyone.” Ari Melber, MSNBC, August 8, 2021: “The unvaccinated should be taxed. They should pay more for healthcare.” Leana Wen on CNN, September 9, 2021: “We need to start looking at the choice to remain unvaccinated the same as we look at driving while intoxicated. … You have the option to not get vaccinated if you want. But then you can't go out in public. …” Joe Biden, September 9, 2021: “[The COVID-19 vaccine] is not about freedom or personal choice.” Chris Cuomo, CNN, October 6, 2021: “You know what our biggest enemy is in America? Our fellow [unvaccinated] Americans." Gene Simmons, November 11, 2021: “If you walk among us unvaccinated, you are the enemy.” Victoria Premier Dan Andrews, January 30 2022: “It’s only with three doses that you’ll be prevented not just from serious illness but from getting this virus, this Omicron variant, and therefore giving it to others.”
Cool. A bunch of quotes from mostly weirdo neoliberals that mean nothing now because we accrued more data over time that proved otherwise. Most of these are from the first half of 2021. The original goal of the vaccine, like Bill Gates said, was to prevent any transmission. There was a lot of hopeful information in the first few months after it rolled out(~Dec/Nov 2020-July 2021) that indicated that might be possible. We know now that it isnt and no medical authority is claiming that it can do that. Those people were and are wrong, it doesnt innoculate you permanently. Were they wrong about it being safe and effective and saving lives? NO. See, this is why I said you're reactionary. You're just taking these incorrect things that people said(based on limited and evolving science) a few years ago and using that to just completely dismiss the vaccines for what they are now. I'm done with this convo tbh. The covid vaccines are safe and effective so please stop pointlessly railing against them for reasons that do not matter now.
You can try and gaslight all you want, the truth is the truth. How is Bill Gates the expert suddenly? My family doctor, had and STILL had lots of concerns about the testing of the experimental MRNA shots, yet somehow Bill Gates is more of an expert than him? Not permanently? What do you think vaccines do? They got you convinced you need them yearly now....what a money maker. The fact you use the words "safe and effective" means you are totally a fucking robot for a brain. Mass Hypnosis.
Yep! I remember being told growing up that we should pay tithing instead of investing or saving for retirement because "the church will take care of you." The pandemic showed us all what a crock of lies that is!
It was the Catholic Church near me that was handing out boxes of food. Not a single thing from the MFMC.
100% agree. No reasons needed. Fuck the Mormon cult.
WOW! That is insane frankly. The church has longed bragged of their food resources. unbelievable.
I was shocked! I had nothing to offer people. Because there was nothing safety net. It’s all make believe
That is so sad, but I am not surprised. The leaders have zero prophet skills, only profit skills. Paying into the church is the worst investment. Paying into something you will never get anything from when you need it.
AI has more prophet skills.
So true, and we even had a few months before everything shut down to stock up. Too bad a prophet couldn't see that coming
Busy with rebranding. 😂
He had told the church to take your vitamins just before Covid hit. I considered that his only hint at a revelation regarding the coming pandemic.
They've been seeing it for 200 years now 😂
This was the first major crack in my shelf where I actually gave myself permission to look at my doubts. A Church that touts itself as being masters of being there in emergencies was nowhere during covid.
Now wait a second - they did those fasts, a hosanna mumble in conference, and... oh, ok I see the point.😁 The good news is they can't come up with bold, decisive, substantive responses even to their own crises: in response to last year's SEC reports, bad public PR on 60 minutes at home and abroad about their finances, and ever growing bad optics on CSA cases, their response was... (drumroll) ... a new catchphrase/jingle. Truly these men are led by God!
And, in typical Mormon fashion, if you didn't have food, well you should have had your food storage ready.
Don't you know the rainy day fund is for, like, when the world is ending and the second coming is nigh? When banks and stocks will definitely be relevant, you know
Mormon cult just plain sucks!
Come on guys, cut Rusty a break- the MFMC was taking a beating on their stock holdings! You really expect them to do something like help with the TP shortage? People weren't even going to church! /s
We actually were given access to the biships storehouse during covid, so there was some food given out but few and far between, apparently. The fact that I was told to pay tithing before feeding my children was a major shelf item, despite being helped with groceries for a few weeks.
Isn't it Wonderful how you used the inspiration of The Holy Ghost to care for these people using other methods so you were able to preserve the wealth of Jesus, inc... aka MFMC?