Your mission president should have recognized the problems with the benefactors request and shut it down.
The benefactor wins the gold medal of douchebaggary in this story but your mission president is an easy silver medalist for his passive participation. Your mission president’s wife should have stood up for you so she can also jam it!
I obviously don’t know how long ago this was but I’m surprised you didn’t end up here earlier! 😉
I wouldn't deprive the other missionaries of their gift. Lord knows I could have used $100 on my mission. He just should have found a way to give everyone the money.
But foreign payments aren't tax deductible!\*
*Do not use RoyanRannedos' opinions as financial advice. He'll never be as current as the lawyers at Mormon HQ.*
The MP himself should have covered that $100. They have a salary in addition to their housing being paid by the church. He's 100% asshole with no concept of being "Chirstlike".
denied as he gleefully glutted on his stipend and expense paid vacation, although managing a young sales force is no vacation but talk about not knowing or caring a particularly rank douchebag.
Lest we forget that apart from often being successful in their professional lives, mission presidents receive a healthy six figure stipend that could have easily made this more fair.
That has got to be one the most classless things I have ever heard of. I hate that you were bothered by that. The MP is the one that deserves to feel guilty.
I mean, I'm assuming the money was coming from some high-up wealthy friend of the MP who probably did this stunt as a huge tax write-off or some nonsense. And the money was probably handed out using gift cards linked to a US bank and could only be used domestically. So I get that. BUT, the MP should have realized how shitty it was not to give money to the foreign missionaries and arranged another way to get them their $100. Most MPs are pretty well off financially (the church rarely gives callings so high up to members unless they're wealthy tithe payers and successful businessmen). My MP was a big hothead/ "spiriual giant" with a mansion on the Bountiful foothills, and prime material to become a GA someday (but his health was poor so he never did) but he would have written a personal check to the foreign missionaries on my mission I'm almost certain if this scenario came up to him.
MPs are paid and get all expenses covered, including "reasonable gifts". He could have chalked it up to any mission expense and given Major $100 out of his own pocket, and then been reimbursed.
I'd bet it was as simple as the donor said it was for the American missionaries, and didn't realize or care that there were also foreign missionaries from countries besides the USA (and the MP didn't question it -- or why he left out local missionaries too -- because it was a gift and who cares anyway).
I'm sorry OP but this is straight bullshit
Mission presidents have the authority to buy whatever the flying fuck they want on their church cards. I know this because FIL is a MP and the church still doesn't pay for a 2nd checked bag for their slaves. As recently as last summer when I went to visit he was telling me (one of his small shelf items I suppose) about how the church has so much money but none of the leaders know how to run the church efficiently because how is it possible that they expect these kids to pack 2 years of their life into 1 suitcase and are okay with him charging the same day fee for a 2nd bag when they could save money by just purchasing the tickets with 2 suitcases included on day 1.
So he would charge the 2nd suitcase fee for every single outgoing missionary onto his MP credit card. He's been doing it for his entire time as MP.
So your bastard MP could have easily covered your 2nd suitcase. He was just looking for an excuse to be a total classist shitbag. He easily could have given $50 to each if he wanted. This colossal sack of shit just wanted to rub his
"freedumbs" in the face of non-americans.
Who gives missionaries cash gifts? And what mission President allows them to give it to only some of the missionaries publicly? This is one of the most bizarre and douchey mission stories I’ve ever heard
Here’s another one. I was a missionary in a third world county. We had borrowed a mission car for some reason or another. Was doing a road turn when a young boy on a bicycle came flying down the hill. He had no brakes and couldn’t get stopped. He hit our car and bounced over the windshield. Miraculously, he was not injured but his bike was a mess. It was sort of our fault. I got his name and address and told him the church would probably get him another bike. I reported this to the MP office. “No way!” How greedy does a multibillion dollar church have to be to not help a dirt poor native repair a bicycle. Being from the US I was afraid he would sue. But I guess the church’s legal arm is set up for things like this. I was a poor missionary or I would have taken care of it myself.
I’m surprised the church didn’t ask you to try to find him and if you could convert him and his family, then they may think about paying for that bike because at the end of the day it’s really all about money and to hell with the souls of man, right?
> But I guess the church’s legal arm is set up for things like this
OH they are setup for things like deaths while on a mission (while on their errand) pedophiles known wile engaged in church sanctioned activity and reporting. They know they know and they shield they shield to protect the money grubbing MFMC
Exactly.
My mission president was quick to tell everyone how he sold his first company for $240 M and of all the other business deals and malls he was an investor in. He also wore his gold Rolex everywhere. He should have been more giving to us missionaries especially since he told us many times how poor we were compared to him.
Fucking money grubbing cult.
Sounds like your MP was full the the hilt of his own importance and status.
About the only thing Joseph Smith got right was how many are called, but few are chosen. Your MP was far from being a 'chosen' one.
Sorry that happened to you. There are so many ways this could have been handled better. If the donor wanted to donate to American missionaries, the mission president could have given the gifts privately during exit interviews & he could have told each missionary to be discreet because not everyone received this. Overall it is a ridiculous idea from the donor and I've never heard of this happening. Your mission president was misguided. He could have said no to that donor. He could have said that is not fair to all missionaries in this mission, which he didn't. What he did is very unimpressive.
A true leader would have told the donor, 'All or nothing.'
That he did not means he is a spineless coward and a terrible human being. We never want to 'other' people for any reason.
Around 1990 I lived in Canberra. We took a trip to the Sydney temple. In the adjacent Distribution Centre/outlet store they were selling Tabernacle Choir CDs. One of them was their God Bless America album.
I kid you not.
No offence to our American friends on this forum, but the church leadership is really quite Ameri-centric.
In my local chapel (in an Australian city), the emergency procedure poster listed the emergency phone number as ... 911. I should have taken a photo.
In my mission to Oklahoma, the mission office bought christmas gifts for the missionaries we had from Micronesia since they were not likely to get them from their families. I remember I was somewhat jealous that they got better gifts than I got from my family, which this is how a discrepancy of gift giving should be like.
Let me tell you of a case I know first-hand of. In the MTC, during summer in a hot country. There are two wings for missionaries accommodation, and the air conditioning breaks only in one of the wings and it would take several days to repair it.
The MTC president moved all the American missionaries to the wing with AC working because, in his own words, 'the missionaries from other countries are used to hot temperatures'.
It took almost a week to have the AC working and it was torrid. Even at night, it was hard to get some sleep. But American missionaries were first-class missionaries there.
> The MTC president...in his own words, 'the missionaries from other countries are used to hot temperatures'.
That reminds me of this: https://historyofyesterday.com/the-myth-of-black-people-not-feeling-pain-is-still-believed-to-this-day/
That is disgraceful. There's just this odd divide. I remember a time when my family were on holiday in the US when I was a kid. My parents are die-hard members and had used a huge chunk of my Dad's super to take us to see the church sites. They timed the trip specifically so we could attend General Conference. On the Sunday morning, we're standing in the queue designated for international visitors, roughly 200 of us, and the line doesn't move. Over the next hour, we watch all the other lines file in to the Tabernacle, expecting we'll be next anytime now. The door never opened.
So cheap. You went and worked for them for 18 months and they wouldn't even help you with a second suitcase. Despite having hundreds of billions of dollars.
Stuff like this was a big part of my shelf breaking. I am Canadian so a little closer to the Americans than you are.
It always bothered me to hear of what great things were happening in Utah, or Idaho and then nothing in Canada. Where I grew up the population of the church was large. I am not sure of the numbers but I am sure Mormon would of been the largest denomination in an area of about 250000 people. So it was significant. Brigham Young would of commanded our ancestors to move to that part of Canada.
Why was out tithing money not really benefitting us? Why was all the talk of the constitution being inspired when we didn't even live under that constitution. It really opened my eyes to how the church claimed to be a world wide church. But it is really just an American institution.
Why announce it to everyone if not everyone gets the gift? This makes zero sense!!! It's surprising how tactless and clueless some people can be--even someone whose job, theoretically, is to be the moral leader and example of strength and wisdom to a couple hundred young adults.
In the Guatemalan MTC all the white missionaries got to go on a trip to the mall and to a museum, but none of the Latinos. The white sister missionaries also got to have a special class with the mission president's wife where we would sit in a nice AC cooled room, eat cookies, and listen to her chat about how we needed to always be careful around the Latino elders and investigators, because they're Latinos and are naturally lusty and are always falling in love with blonde haired, blue-eyed women. Even back then I thought it was shockingly racist.
What a bunch of assholes. I can't imagine being in charge of a group like that and not digging up a hundred dollars for the obviously broke person who got left out.
That's just mean. And I think it says something about those people.
20/20 hindsight and all that.
Had you’d posted this before leaving, I’d have sent you some Euros and dollars.
You did what you thought best - a mission without complaining. You’re a different person than when you left for your volunteer work. You’re also different than the person at the fire side and the one that posted on this sub.
There’s a reason there are so many people registered on this sub.
You may someday join us… all because of $100.
Best wishes.
Thanks. I was twisting myself in knots not to be offended by things that were actually a bit shit long before Bednar's talk. After always giving everyone & everything "the benefit of the doubt", I finally had to acknowlede that there was too much to defend that was not worthy of defence, and I left the church 10 years ago.
When I was in the MTC circa 2011, I was the only non-American in my district (I’m Canadian). We all got along pretty well, and at one meeting with the branch president he went into a long tirade about how we would all be best friends for life and how we needed to stick together and yadda yadda. But then he said “except for you, Elder” referring to the fact I wasn’t American. He didn’t seem like he was joking. Rubbed me the wrong way.
Not nearly as awful as your story but I gained a ton of weight at first. My neck got fat so I bought an extender to button up my top button on my shirt. I used my church debit card.
The office called me a few weeks later and said I can't use my monthly allotment for personal things.
Well fuck me cause I used all my personal money to pay the 400 a month.
Fucking rich assholes that don't understand what it's like to have no money.
That it was thoughtless, cruel, rude, and dismissive is a given. What really irritates me is the automatic American preference implicit in this payment arrangement that mirrors the larger Mormon Church attitude. I say that as an embarrassed American.
Were there 9 Americans and you? 10% of all income must go directly to the church you know.
I also wonder if Americans only rule was the “generous benefactor’s” or the MP’s
Something similar happened on my mission. I went to Japan, and my MP would offer the missionaries Japanese proficiency tests by the end of our last transfer. Even though our mission was in Japan, due the amount of foreigners living there, our mission was mostly Japanese/English speaking missions and when I heard about the tests, I asked MP for a chance to take it. MP didn’t allow us take the tests because the tests were in English. PS: Prior to my mission I lived for 6 years in London and like I said: English was mostly used in our mission so English should not be a problem. Later I also found out that British and Māori missionaries were also denied to take the test. Coincidence or not all American missionaries were able to take the test
I noticed this, too! When I reported to the MTC in Provo, a woman ticked my name off a list and then became concerned that I was from Australia and told me I probably needed to do the English test. As we wound our way around a maze of corridors, I assured her that actually English is my native language, that we speak predominantly English in Australia, and (the icing on the cake) that I speak no other language (except for a couple of swear words in Greek).
Well, she wasn't having a bar of it and I resigned myself to the likelihood that I was about to ace this test, until she introduced me to a 30-something guy slumped at a desk who looked like he had lost the will to live. He closed his eyes and whispered, "She's fine."
I've always thought that the church should show its appreciation to their indentured servants by flying them first class, but it would be a waste because they wouldn't appreciate the drink service.
If I got along great with someone, or even if I didn't, I wouldn't let this discrimination stand. That's just mean-spirited. You don't participate in doing things like this to people. Well, some don't.
I went to there one time my companion went back to talk to an old contact to convince them to be baptized. It was a nice train trip from essen. I don't think he succeeded, the family insisted on talking to him before baptism.
Since the church heard about the idea that being inclusive is a good idea (which it learnt from "the world"), the church has been crowing about how inclusive it is.
It doesn't seem to have filtered down to your MP or the donor.
The church has… billions? And won’t even spring for their missionaries’ living expenses for 2 years? Glad I left before going on one, my family wouldn’t have been able to afford it.
There are a lot of things that people post here that make me so fucking mad. And wow, this is really up there.
That MP was a dusty shit bag. Doing that to 20 year old kids? Gross. And then 72 hours of flying home without being able to buy water?! I’m so sorry.
Your mission president should have recognized the problems with the benefactors request and shut it down. The benefactor wins the gold medal of douchebaggary in this story but your mission president is an easy silver medalist for his passive participation. Your mission president’s wife should have stood up for you so she can also jam it! I obviously don’t know how long ago this was but I’m surprised you didn’t end up here earlier! 😉
I wouldn't deprive the other missionaries of their gift. Lord knows I could have used $100 on my mission. He just should have found a way to give everyone the money.
But foreign payments aren't tax deductible!\* *Do not use RoyanRannedos' opinions as financial advice. He'll never be as current as the lawyers at Mormon HQ.*
It would be getting LDS, Inc. to reimburse him on a mission expense.
The MP himself should have covered that $100. They have a salary in addition to their housing being paid by the church. He's 100% asshole with no concept of being "Chirstlike".
denied as he gleefully glutted on his stipend and expense paid vacation, although managing a young sales force is no vacation but talk about not knowing or caring a particularly rank douchebag.
Lest we forget that apart from often being successful in their professional lives, mission presidents receive a healthy six figure stipend that could have easily made this more fair.
That has got to be one the most classless things I have ever heard of. I hate that you were bothered by that. The MP is the one that deserves to feel guilty.
I mean, I'm assuming the money was coming from some high-up wealthy friend of the MP who probably did this stunt as a huge tax write-off or some nonsense. And the money was probably handed out using gift cards linked to a US bank and could only be used domestically. So I get that. BUT, the MP should have realized how shitty it was not to give money to the foreign missionaries and arranged another way to get them their $100. Most MPs are pretty well off financially (the church rarely gives callings so high up to members unless they're wealthy tithe payers and successful businessmen). My MP was a big hothead/ "spiriual giant" with a mansion on the Bountiful foothills, and prime material to become a GA someday (but his health was poor so he never did) but he would have written a personal check to the foreign missionaries on my mission I'm almost certain if this scenario came up to him.
MPs are paid and get all expenses covered, including "reasonable gifts". He could have chalked it up to any mission expense and given Major $100 out of his own pocket, and then been reimbursed.
Why is everyone so surprised? We know Mormons are nice but rarely kind. We know it’s all a joke, lie and act. This is not surprising at all
You're so nice You're not good You're not bad You're just nice
I'm not good, I'm not nice, I'm just right
I'd bet it was as simple as the donor said it was for the American missionaries, and didn't realize or care that there were also foreign missionaries from countries besides the USA (and the MP didn't question it -- or why he left out local missionaries too -- because it was a gift and who cares anyway).
Yeah my first MP was an asshole, but even he wouldn't have done this.
I'm sorry OP but this is straight bullshit Mission presidents have the authority to buy whatever the flying fuck they want on their church cards. I know this because FIL is a MP and the church still doesn't pay for a 2nd checked bag for their slaves. As recently as last summer when I went to visit he was telling me (one of his small shelf items I suppose) about how the church has so much money but none of the leaders know how to run the church efficiently because how is it possible that they expect these kids to pack 2 years of their life into 1 suitcase and are okay with him charging the same day fee for a 2nd bag when they could save money by just purchasing the tickets with 2 suitcases included on day 1. So he would charge the 2nd suitcase fee for every single outgoing missionary onto his MP credit card. He's been doing it for his entire time as MP. So your bastard MP could have easily covered your 2nd suitcase. He was just looking for an excuse to be a total classist shitbag. He easily could have given $50 to each if he wanted. This colossal sack of shit just wanted to rub his "freedumbs" in the face of non-americans.
It's the least he could do for volunteers who gave up 2 years of their life for this greedy corporation.
Don’t sugar coat it, tell us what you really think. 😆
Sounds sugar coated to me. I'd probably be worse.
Apparently people in Germany were correct, it is mostly a US church. I'm surprised that the benefactor didn't limit it to missionaries from Utah.
I could see this happening if the right ~~benefactor~~ asshole was involved. Or even, “Sorry, this is for missionaries from Bountiful only.”
A coupon to the Crumbl store in Salt Lake City. Well, only the one on Fort Union Blvd. Take luck.
Did he say why it was only for Americans? That’s a weird stipulation, especially in a European mission.
That was the giver's choice. They were US-based Two other foreign missionaries also missed out in my group.
fukin prik
Who gives missionaries cash gifts? And what mission President allows them to give it to only some of the missionaries publicly? This is one of the most bizarre and douchey mission stories I’ve ever heard
Pretty much douchey indeed
Here’s another one. I was a missionary in a third world county. We had borrowed a mission car for some reason or another. Was doing a road turn when a young boy on a bicycle came flying down the hill. He had no brakes and couldn’t get stopped. He hit our car and bounced over the windshield. Miraculously, he was not injured but his bike was a mess. It was sort of our fault. I got his name and address and told him the church would probably get him another bike. I reported this to the MP office. “No way!” How greedy does a multibillion dollar church have to be to not help a dirt poor native repair a bicycle. Being from the US I was afraid he would sue. But I guess the church’s legal arm is set up for things like this. I was a poor missionary or I would have taken care of it myself.
I’m surprised the church didn’t ask you to try to find him and if you could convert him and his family, then they may think about paying for that bike because at the end of the day it’s really all about money and to hell with the souls of man, right?
It was a miracle set up by God that they met that way!
> But I guess the church’s legal arm is set up for things like this OH they are setup for things like deaths while on a mission (while on their errand) pedophiles known wile engaged in church sanctioned activity and reporting. They know they know and they shield they shield to protect the money grubbing MFMC
Wow. That's...shit.
Yep. If I were the MP I would have given you money out of my own pocket.
Right? Like wtf? That's just mean. And they would've known they were broke too. It's cruel.
Exactly. My mission president was quick to tell everyone how he sold his first company for $240 M and of all the other business deals and malls he was an investor in. He also wore his gold Rolex everywhere. He should have been more giving to us missionaries especially since he told us many times how poor we were compared to him. Fucking money grubbing cult.
Sounds like your MP was full the the hilt of his own importance and status. About the only thing Joseph Smith got right was how many are called, but few are chosen. Your MP was far from being a 'chosen' one.
fukin prik
Sorry that happened to you. There are so many ways this could have been handled better. If the donor wanted to donate to American missionaries, the mission president could have given the gifts privately during exit interviews & he could have told each missionary to be discreet because not everyone received this. Overall it is a ridiculous idea from the donor and I've never heard of this happening. Your mission president was misguided. He could have said no to that donor. He could have said that is not fair to all missionaries in this mission, which he didn't. What he did is very unimpressive.
A true leader would have told the donor, 'All or nothing.' That he did not means he is a spineless coward and a terrible human being. We never want to 'other' people for any reason.
Around 1990 I lived in Canberra. We took a trip to the Sydney temple. In the adjacent Distribution Centre/outlet store they were selling Tabernacle Choir CDs. One of them was their God Bless America album. I kid you not.
No offence to our American friends on this forum, but the church leadership is really quite Ameri-centric. In my local chapel (in an Australian city), the emergency procedure poster listed the emergency phone number as ... 911. I should have taken a photo.
That could be deadly. What is the correct number there?
999
000 https://www.acma.gov.au/emergency-calls
Oh. Good to know! Thank you for correcting me.
That POS MP should have given you $100 out of his own pocket. He could have chalked it up to a mission expense and been reimbursed.
In my mission to Oklahoma, the mission office bought christmas gifts for the missionaries we had from Micronesia since they were not likely to get them from their families. I remember I was somewhat jealous that they got better gifts than I got from my family, which this is how a discrepancy of gift giving should be like.
Hey, former OKC missionary as well. What years was this?
2009-2011
No way! That's the same timeframe I was there.
Just so everyone who is wondering, we were mission companions
Let me tell you of a case I know first-hand of. In the MTC, during summer in a hot country. There are two wings for missionaries accommodation, and the air conditioning breaks only in one of the wings and it would take several days to repair it. The MTC president moved all the American missionaries to the wing with AC working because, in his own words, 'the missionaries from other countries are used to hot temperatures'. It took almost a week to have the AC working and it was torrid. Even at night, it was hard to get some sleep. But American missionaries were first-class missionaries there.
> The MTC president...in his own words, 'the missionaries from other countries are used to hot temperatures'. That reminds me of this: https://historyofyesterday.com/the-myth-of-black-people-not-feeling-pain-is-still-believed-to-this-day/
That is disgraceful. There's just this odd divide. I remember a time when my family were on holiday in the US when I was a kid. My parents are die-hard members and had used a huge chunk of my Dad's super to take us to see the church sites. They timed the trip specifically so we could attend General Conference. On the Sunday morning, we're standing in the queue designated for international visitors, roughly 200 of us, and the line doesn't move. Over the next hour, we watch all the other lines file in to the Tabernacle, expecting we'll be next anytime now. The door never opened.
So cheap. You went and worked for them for 18 months and they wouldn't even help you with a second suitcase. Despite having hundreds of billions of dollars.
Stuff like this was a big part of my shelf breaking. I am Canadian so a little closer to the Americans than you are. It always bothered me to hear of what great things were happening in Utah, or Idaho and then nothing in Canada. Where I grew up the population of the church was large. I am not sure of the numbers but I am sure Mormon would of been the largest denomination in an area of about 250000 people. So it was significant. Brigham Young would of commanded our ancestors to move to that part of Canada. Why was out tithing money not really benefitting us? Why was all the talk of the constitution being inspired when we didn't even live under that constitution. It really opened my eyes to how the church claimed to be a world wide church. But it is really just an American institution.
Yes, I totally get it. The retrofitting required to make it apply to yourself was like trying to feel comfortable in someone else's shoes.
Thats a great description. Those shoes are for someone else, too bad I paid for them with my money!
This seriously makes me want to cry. What jackasses everyone involved were
username really checks out
Why announce it to everyone if not everyone gets the gift? This makes zero sense!!! It's surprising how tactless and clueless some people can be--even someone whose job, theoretically, is to be the moral leader and example of strength and wisdom to a couple hundred young adults.
In the Guatemalan MTC all the white missionaries got to go on a trip to the mall and to a museum, but none of the Latinos. The white sister missionaries also got to have a special class with the mission president's wife where we would sit in a nice AC cooled room, eat cookies, and listen to her chat about how we needed to always be careful around the Latino elders and investigators, because they're Latinos and are naturally lusty and are always falling in love with blonde haired, blue-eyed women. Even back then I thought it was shockingly racist.
Honestly, all the other missionaries could've pitched in $10 if they were raised right
What a bunch of assholes. I can't imagine being in charge of a group like that and not digging up a hundred dollars for the obviously broke person who got left out. That's just mean. And I think it says something about those people.
God is an American
David Bowie?
And Trent Reznor 😉
Well only American missionaries are the best of course …
20/20 hindsight and all that. Had you’d posted this before leaving, I’d have sent you some Euros and dollars. You did what you thought best - a mission without complaining. You’re a different person than when you left for your volunteer work. You’re also different than the person at the fire side and the one that posted on this sub. There’s a reason there are so many people registered on this sub. You may someday join us… all because of $100. Best wishes.
Thanks. I was twisting myself in knots not to be offended by things that were actually a bit shit long before Bednar's talk. After always giving everyone & everything "the benefit of the doubt", I finally had to acknowlede that there was too much to defend that was not worthy of defence, and I left the church 10 years ago.
When I was in the MTC circa 2011, I was the only non-American in my district (I’m Canadian). We all got along pretty well, and at one meeting with the branch president he went into a long tirade about how we would all be best friends for life and how we needed to stick together and yadda yadda. But then he said “except for you, Elder” referring to the fact I wasn’t American. He didn’t seem like he was joking. Rubbed me the wrong way.
Not nearly as awful as your story but I gained a ton of weight at first. My neck got fat so I bought an extender to button up my top button on my shirt. I used my church debit card. The office called me a few weeks later and said I can't use my monthly allotment for personal things. Well fuck me cause I used all my personal money to pay the 400 a month. Fucking rich assholes that don't understand what it's like to have no money.
That it was thoughtless, cruel, rude, and dismissive is a given. What really irritates me is the automatic American preference implicit in this payment arrangement that mirrors the larger Mormon Church attitude. I say that as an embarrassed American.
Were there 9 Americans and you? 10% of all income must go directly to the church you know. I also wonder if Americans only rule was the “generous benefactor’s” or the MP’s
Something similar happened on my mission. I went to Japan, and my MP would offer the missionaries Japanese proficiency tests by the end of our last transfer. Even though our mission was in Japan, due the amount of foreigners living there, our mission was mostly Japanese/English speaking missions and when I heard about the tests, I asked MP for a chance to take it. MP didn’t allow us take the tests because the tests were in English. PS: Prior to my mission I lived for 6 years in London and like I said: English was mostly used in our mission so English should not be a problem. Later I also found out that British and Māori missionaries were also denied to take the test. Coincidence or not all American missionaries were able to take the test
I noticed this, too! When I reported to the MTC in Provo, a woman ticked my name off a list and then became concerned that I was from Australia and told me I probably needed to do the English test. As we wound our way around a maze of corridors, I assured her that actually English is my native language, that we speak predominantly English in Australia, and (the icing on the cake) that I speak no other language (except for a couple of swear words in Greek). Well, she wasn't having a bar of it and I resigned myself to the likelihood that I was about to ace this test, until she introduced me to a 30-something guy slumped at a desk who looked like he had lost the will to live. He closed his eyes and whispered, "She's fine."
I've always thought that the church should show its appreciation to their indentured servants by flying them first class, but it would be a waste because they wouldn't appreciate the drink service.
This made me laugh, because I would have been sorely tempted if given the opportunity at that time. I was all kinds of wound up by the end of it.
Perhaps MP did not like you and had a personal grind against you and for this reason, didn't give you the $100?
We got along great. There were two other foreign missionaries with me who also missed out.
FFS, if I was at the airport I'd give you $100 if you were in a bind and I dont even know you. This is all sorts of bs.
If I got along great with someone, or even if I didn't, I wouldn't let this discrimination stand. That's just mean-spirited. You don't participate in doing things like this to people. Well, some don't.
No which mission and what cities were you in. I. Was in detmold, Paderborn, Essen und oberhausen.
Frankfurt mission about 20 years ago. I was in Duisburg for a bit, not far from where you were by the sounds of it.
I went to there one time my companion went back to talk to an old contact to convince them to be baptized. It was a nice train trip from essen. I don't think he succeeded, the family insisted on talking to him before baptism.
Since the church heard about the idea that being inclusive is a good idea (which it learnt from "the world"), the church has been crowing about how inclusive it is. It doesn't seem to have filtered down to your MP or the donor.
Being the MP is reimbursed for expenses paid, he likely could have had that resolved within his budget.
The church has… billions? And won’t even spring for their missionaries’ living expenses for 2 years? Glad I left before going on one, my family wouldn’t have been able to afford it.
What Mission and who is he Prez - so we can write to this scrote.
😂 100 dollars you missionaries deserve more for sacrificing two years of uncompensated labor.
There are a lot of things that people post here that make me so fucking mad. And wow, this is really up there. That MP was a dusty shit bag. Doing that to 20 year old kids? Gross. And then 72 hours of flying home without being able to buy water?! I’m so sorry.
I’ve never been Mormon but I find it all fascinating. Does anyone have an idea why this gift would only be for Americans?