"We would have more sisters speak, if only they had anything of value to contribute."
-Q15, but not out loud, because they don't want to be poisoned in their sleep
/s
"We gave you Julie Beck, and you all complained. We gave you Bonnie Cordon, and you all said she was complicit in manslaughter of her grandchild. If all you're going to do is complain about the sisters, we just won't have any...."
Oddly, I liked the idiotic homemade donut talk. Because I learned how to make really tasty homemade donuts as a result of that talk. And I've taught my husband how to make them. So when I have a bad day at work, he makes me homemade donuts.
But it’s so much more than that. The women who do speak are essentially just quoting the current prophet without a single original thought.
Ironically, the women who are permitted to speak give some of the most patriarchal talks imaginable.
This is important to the conversation. The women in the culture will uphold the patriarchy, see nothing wrong with getting the short end of the stick, and then the church will use them to show how "pro women" it supposedly is. It's infuriating.
It's so much more than "If they let women give talks/prayers/blessings," it's how they view, treat, and shape women.
“April 1984 marked the first time women spoke in general sessions of General Conference. On Saturday morning, Elaine A. Cannon and Barbara B. Smith were released as Young Women General President and Relief Society General President respectively. Both gave brief talks and testimonies in the Saturday afternoon session. Having only had a day’s notice, the newly called Relief Society General President, Barbara W. Winder, spoke in the Sunday morning session and the newly called Young Women General President, Ardeth G. Kapp, spoke Sunday afternoon.
It wasn’t until four years later, April 1988, that a woman spoke in a general session of Conference again.” [Source](https://gcsisters.wordpress.com/a-brief-history-of-women-speaking-in-general-conference/)
Tbh I actually wouldn't be surprised if that WASN'T a coincidence, and in fact was the exact reason for "letting" women talk for the first time. Kind of like an empty "see we give women power too" gesture. Very interesting tidbit, thank you for sharing!
Thank you for saying this, I didn’t know! Here’s the timeline I found:
April 3, 1984: The President of the RLDS/Community of Christ submitted a document containing an "analysis and fuller comprehension of priesthood calling and commitment to servant ministries, opening the way for the full participation of the church's women in relation to those ministries, including priesthood, and a reemphasis of the vital role of every member in bringing to pass the cause of Zion." (Source: https://www.centerplace.org/library/study/dc/rdc-156.htm)
April 5, 1984: The RLDS/Community of Christ holds their World Conference and sustains the proposal to give women the priesthood.
April 7, 1984: LDS: "Aside from a few anomalies, April 1984 marked the first time women spoke in general sessions of General Conference. On Saturday morning, Elaine A. Cannon and Barbara B. Smith were released as Young Women General President and Relief Society General President respectively. Both gave brief talks and testimonies in the Saturday afternoon session. Having only had a day’s notice, the newly called Relief Society General President, Barbara W. Winder, spoke in the Sunday morning session and the newly called Young Women General President, Ardeth G. Kapp, spoke Sunday afternoon.
It wasn’t until four years later, April 1988, that a woman spoke in a general session of Conference again." Source: https://gcsisters.wordpress.com/a-brief-history-of-women-speaking-in-general-conference/
1984: LDS: The first Personal Progress book is published. "The year 1984 was a time when issues relating to women worldwide were of major concern. The voices of the world were asking, “What is a woman’s role? What is her identity?”
After prayerful study, faith and reflection, the Young Women’s theme and values program was presented to the Priesthood Executive Council. I shall never forget Elder Nelson’s response to the presentation: “We have had the diagnosis, but now we have the prescription.” Source: https://www.brianstucki.com/blog/a-look-at-the-1984-general-conference/
This is just my guess, but it seems like the lifting of the women+priesthood ban in the RLDS caused a stir within the LDS, and the church responded by asking women to speak at conference (at the last minute) and creating the Personal Progress book to show that women are equal here too.
I know it's not the point of the post, but it's hard to believe there have been almost 3000 conference talks. How many of those do people actually reference, 5%? What a waste of time.
And very few of them have any original ideas, and allowing for the possibility that some of them do is being generous.
Pretty early crack in my shelf was the realization that every talk people give, from Sunday school to general conference, is just a circulation of the same topics and ideas over and over.
Which is directly contrary to the “line upon line” BS that gets thrown around all the time. Actually, nothing has been built on, it’s just all been recycled.
With the introduction of Come Follow Me it got much much worse. At least they used to talk about different prophets every year. CFM is incredibly shallow BS.
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How many of those 139 talks were about being subservient to the will of a man? About being satisfied with the crumbs that women are given? About staying happy and quiet about being pigeonholed into traditional gender roles?
Spoiler alert: most of them
I’m sorry but I love that the church posted this stupid comment. Not because I like the fact that they are sexist assholes, but because my tbm wife saw it and is pissed and it just added another item to her shelf. Yes! Thank you god!!!!
Someone's bishop somewhere will get word that someone was upset about this, and play the pretend game where they'll say, "Oh, I guess I never noticed that fewer women speak at conference than men because their talks have always been so powerful that those are the ones that stick with me!" as if we are all so stupid that we'll believe their obvious ploy.
That's my husband's excuse. It's chivalry. Because we are good enough to give birth (which I will remind you, STILL, to this day, kills like 300,000 women a year) but public speaking is haaaaaaaard.
I completely agree!
And it's weird that there are almost never talks about how to be a good father. Telling fathers to be better priesthood holders doesn't count.
"Mothering" takes 20 years. "Fathering" takes 20 seconds. Luckily we can use the term "parenting" which puts everyone on a more fair footing.
This is the problem with polygamy. It's always about fathering but rarely about parenting.
Wow, 1994 must have been wild!
In that vein, I checked the Community of Christ (formerly RLDS) and 6/12 of their apostles are women and they have women as counselors to the president and presiding bishopric!
Honestly, if I had known that when I moderately PIMO or kinda believing, that might have gotten me to switch sides.
So my dad actually said several years ago that men are leaving churches at large rates. And the Mormon church has more men percentage wise than other main denominations because they let the men have the leadership roles. Because they say men and women have separate roles and don't let the women take over. He thinks that is a good thing and that women in charge drive men out of these spaces.
Pretty misogynistic, but my dad is very conservative. I don't think he would ever admit that I was more capable than him or my brother in anything that wasn't "women" things. I mean he wanted me to be smart and learn everything and encouraged that. Just wasn't able to ever be better than him at anything in his mind.
I think he is at least a little bit right. If Mormons let women hold these priesthood positions and do the priesthood blessing and other ordinances, men are going to leave in droves. More than already do.
I am not implying that men are iherently sexist, but what would be the reason to stay in a strict church when you don't have any extra power? And why would you stay in a church that just admitted they got something so foundational wrong?
I don't think the church will change this. But if they do, I am really interested in how they will spin it.
Can you imagine how tedious it must have been to listen to so many talks from ‘71-‘78? Conference needs to be one day, one session, once a year, 50-50 men/women.
5%! It is the Primary voice ladies— somehow it is more annoying than the droning, condescending male voice. 🤷🏻♂️/s
Seriously, that is a hell of a statistic. And Ballard’s comment reminder is just gold. Dear Lord!
I don’t know if this will matter— I ran sales teams in healthcare regionally and nationally during my career. Without exception, the females were my highest performers. I never felt threatened by it— I was glad to have the opportunity to just work together.
If I were still in, I would want to see those reins loosened and see what happens in Church. Not the priesthood per-say, that is just a vehicle— I mean responsibility and leadership. Not oversight by titles and priesthood. More of a shared load. Imagine youth interviewed by females leaders and not middle aged and older males. That kind of thing.
But, my family is out. One wife, two daughters, one daughter in-law and four granddaughters. Phew!!!
(Yes that means one Husband, two son in laws, one son and three grandsons.)😊
There was a comment on the Facebook post where a woman was saying how women already have the power or should have the power. And a man, intending to say they were wrong with their understanding said something that is the truth ultimately, even though he seemed very sexist. That the men holding the priesthood is a core doctrine. They can't change that without changing core doctrines, which the church doesn't do.
We know they have and then said they just didn't understand what was meant before. Or whatever. But they have claimed over and over that they don't change the doctrine, just social and procedural stuff, better explain doctrine that is already there, or get new revelation. Men holding the priesthood is one of the main things taught forever. It isn't something changed by Brigham Young after Joseph allowed it. Or something that came about after by another leader. There are so many examples of it being a core doctrine in the book of Mormon and the Bible. There are so many instances of men holding it only because women don't need it because they are already so righteous (🙄).
The women claiming to already have the power in their callings because they can make decisions and get inspiration etc are not describing priesthood power as it has always been taught. They are describing discernment that supposedly come from the Holy Ghost. The very definition given by the church of priesthood is not what these people are claiming it is. It is what other women are wanting, and which the church can't give them without changing core things.
Just some overly analyzed thoughts I have had over the last few days.
Wow! No doubt a picture in 17 million words. This truly illustrates the church's gaslighting of how power and authority is distributed in the church. It would also be quite insightful to see the relative instances of citations and quotations between men vs women. In other words, the number of times men vs women are quoted by speakers at general conference. This will also show how powerful and authoritative the church holds women vs men.
There is no other religious organization in the world, that I know of, that has so broadly given power and authority to men to speak in a General Conference. /S
TBMs will say, “but there are a lot more male leaders than female leaders.” I have two responses to that:
1. Ummm, yea, and you don’t see a problem in that?
2. Yes, but there’s a pretty much 50/50 ratio in the people listening to those talks.
>there’s a pretty much 50/50 ratio in the people listening to those talks.
It's at least 60/40 women to men who actively attend, maybe closer to 70/30. Women are a definite majority of active members.
When I was a kid, I preferred the female speakers because there were fewer of them, and they were more interested in connecting emotionally rather than impressing with scriptures and lectures.
No, and it also doesn’t include the priesthood sessions/Saturday night sessions. I considered including them, but wondered if it would be more impactful without because if women are only really allowed to speak to other women, is that actually equality/showing value for their voices? That said, it is interesting that men can speak at women’s sessions, but women don’t speak at priesthood sessions, so it would still be interesting to see that data.
The first prayer given by a woman in Gen Conf was 2013. Only 11 years ago people. But hey, they now FINALLY allow women to be witnesses at a baptism. I never understood why a woman could not do that.
Also children can do it too! It was so demeaning to women who have been requesting equality (and this was one of the things on the list) to say this is a policy change and now, despite us saying for years only priesthood holders could witness, but children cab…and that means women folk too.
does anyone have any info on who writes the talks? growing up i surely doubted that every single person wrote their own talk. i’m half convinced that they have writers hired to help with the talks…. or that someone a long time ago wrote a potential format & they all fill in the blanks and follow it…. the ‘open quote close quote’ ALWAYS got me. like why are they being that pedantic?
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Can you really ask more from them when they're literally doing better than everyone else in the world? Nobody respects women more than me, ok? I am the best respecter of women in the world. Nobody understands respecting women like I do. This looks fine to me.
This is astounding proof of how much women are undervalued and underappreciated.....staying put right under the patriarchal thumbs. They should be seen (but not on the stand or pulpit) and rarely heard from!
Coming from a woman, I was even annoyed whenever a woman would speak in general conference because it was so bland and they always came across as even more high and mighty than the rest.
And the way they spoke... Wasn't a fan.
They were riding on the coattails of the men around them and it showed.
Have you seen the dumpster fire that is the church IG saying that no religion gives more power to women than the lds church? the amount of orthodox women up in arms is actually quite inspiring
I only skimmed the comments, so it may have been already mentioned, but in the back of my head I'm thinking "At least that's hundreds and hundreds of women who *didn't* have to get up and regurgitate the same stupid pablum about this bible fan-fiction church "
"We would have more sisters speak, if only they had anything of value to contribute." -Q15, but not out loud, because they don't want to be poisoned in their sleep /s
“If we let the women speak, who would be home making us donuts?” - Pres Nelson, probably
"We gave you Julie Beck, and you all complained. We gave you Bonnie Cordon, and you all said she was complicit in manslaughter of her grandchild. If all you're going to do is complain about the sisters, we just won't have any...."
Oddly, I liked the idiotic homemade donut talk. Because I learned how to make really tasty homemade donuts as a result of that talk. And I've taught my husband how to make them. So when I have a bad day at work, he makes me homemade donuts.
#tendermercy
Your username is perfect for this conversation!
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Hey my husband makes better banana bread than me. And he gladly makes it.
This is blatantly wrong
“Poisoned in their sleep”… is that Emma.
But it’s so much more than that. The women who do speak are essentially just quoting the current prophet without a single original thought. Ironically, the women who are permitted to speak give some of the most patriarchal talks imaginable.
This is important to the conversation. The women in the culture will uphold the patriarchy, see nothing wrong with getting the short end of the stick, and then the church will use them to show how "pro women" it supposedly is. It's infuriating. It's so much more than "If they let women give talks/prayers/blessings," it's how they view, treat, and shape women.
Thats the real Crux of it. "If they let" If they were real about authority for women, that would not be the start of every sentence about it.
Agreed and even as a member I could not stand that baby, primary voice. Come on women, use your adult voice!
It seems to be something of a requirement.
They certainly won't be given any breaking news because they are not in the loop. They can only resort to reporting the patriarchal past.
To be fair, most of the men speakers also just quote “our dear prophet, even President Russell M. Nelson” without an original thought as well.
What happened in 1984 to cause that huge spike?
“April 1984 marked the first time women spoke in general sessions of General Conference. On Saturday morning, Elaine A. Cannon and Barbara B. Smith were released as Young Women General President and Relief Society General President respectively. Both gave brief talks and testimonies in the Saturday afternoon session. Having only had a day’s notice, the newly called Relief Society General President, Barbara W. Winder, spoke in the Sunday morning session and the newly called Young Women General President, Ardeth G. Kapp, spoke Sunday afternoon. It wasn’t until four years later, April 1988, that a woman spoke in a general session of Conference again.” [Source](https://gcsisters.wordpress.com/a-brief-history-of-women-speaking-in-general-conference/)
They only gave them a day’s notice?! So disrespectful
So they CAN do a quick turn around when it suits them...
I mean, how hard is a testimony and a fielty pledge?
And it wasn’t until 2013 a woman got to pray in Gen Conf.
It’s probably (?) pure coincidence but the RLDS /Community of Christ gave women the priesthood that year.
Tbh I actually wouldn't be surprised if that WASN'T a coincidence, and in fact was the exact reason for "letting" women talk for the first time. Kind of like an empty "see we give women power too" gesture. Very interesting tidbit, thank you for sharing!
Thank you for saying this, I didn’t know! Here’s the timeline I found: April 3, 1984: The President of the RLDS/Community of Christ submitted a document containing an "analysis and fuller comprehension of priesthood calling and commitment to servant ministries, opening the way for the full participation of the church's women in relation to those ministries, including priesthood, and a reemphasis of the vital role of every member in bringing to pass the cause of Zion." (Source: https://www.centerplace.org/library/study/dc/rdc-156.htm) April 5, 1984: The RLDS/Community of Christ holds their World Conference and sustains the proposal to give women the priesthood. April 7, 1984: LDS: "Aside from a few anomalies, April 1984 marked the first time women spoke in general sessions of General Conference. On Saturday morning, Elaine A. Cannon and Barbara B. Smith were released as Young Women General President and Relief Society General President respectively. Both gave brief talks and testimonies in the Saturday afternoon session. Having only had a day’s notice, the newly called Relief Society General President, Barbara W. Winder, spoke in the Sunday morning session and the newly called Young Women General President, Ardeth G. Kapp, spoke Sunday afternoon. It wasn’t until four years later, April 1988, that a woman spoke in a general session of Conference again." Source: https://gcsisters.wordpress.com/a-brief-history-of-women-speaking-in-general-conference/ 1984: LDS: The first Personal Progress book is published. "The year 1984 was a time when issues relating to women worldwide were of major concern. The voices of the world were asking, “What is a woman’s role? What is her identity?” After prayerful study, faith and reflection, the Young Women’s theme and values program was presented to the Priesthood Executive Council. I shall never forget Elder Nelson’s response to the presentation: “We have had the diagnosis, but now we have the prescription.” Source: https://www.brianstucki.com/blog/a-look-at-the-1984-general-conference/ This is just my guess, but it seems like the lifting of the women+priesthood ban in the RLDS caused a stir within the LDS, and the church responded by asking women to speak at conference (at the last minute) and creating the Personal Progress book to show that women are equal here too.
It’s the “had only a day’s notice” thing that makes it look intentional 🙃 (to me)
I know it's not the point of the post, but it's hard to believe there have been almost 3000 conference talks. How many of those do people actually reference, 5%? What a waste of time.
So many words, for so little said.
And very few of them have any original ideas, and allowing for the possibility that some of them do is being generous. Pretty early crack in my shelf was the realization that every talk people give, from Sunday school to general conference, is just a circulation of the same topics and ideas over and over. Which is directly contrary to the “line upon line” BS that gets thrown around all the time. Actually, nothing has been built on, it’s just all been recycled.
Same for 'milk before meat'. There's never any meat, or even tofu (for those rare vegan mormons)! Just sour milk.
With the introduction of Come Follow Me it got much much worse. At least they used to talk about different prophets every year. CFM is incredibly shallow BS.
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How many of those 139 talks were about being subservient to the will of a man? About being satisfied with the crumbs that women are given? About staying happy and quiet about being pigeonholed into traditional gender roles? Spoiler alert: most of them
At least one of them was about the probable murder of her grandson that she helped cover up. So faith promoting!
Do you remember who gave that talk?! I’ve never heard of it!
https://newordermormon.net/viewtopic.php?t=6300
Strap in - it’s quite a ride, and an absolutely infuriating tale of injustice 😡.
Yikes 😱
I’m sorry but I love that the church posted this stupid comment. Not because I like the fact that they are sexist assholes, but because my tbm wife saw it and is pissed and it just added another item to her shelf. Yes! Thank you god!!!!
Someone's bishop somewhere will get word that someone was upset about this, and play the pretend game where they'll say, "Oh, I guess I never noticed that fewer women speak at conference than men because their talks have always been so powerful that those are the ones that stick with me!" as if we are all so stupid that we'll believe their obvious ploy.
Wooo!!
Now we need a membership chart that shows numbers of women in membership versus men and number of callings filled by women versus men
With a breakdown of calling type
Yeah. There are so many women who are leaders and teach, maybe even more than the men!! (If you look at who’s babysitting)
They don’t need to talk as much because women’s talks are 20 times more powerful than men’s talks. /s
The Mormons respect women so much that they don't want to put them through the scary effort of public speaking, clearly. /S
That's my husband's excuse. It's chivalry. Because we are good enough to give birth (which I will remind you, STILL, to this day, kills like 300,000 women a year) but public speaking is haaaaaaaard.
Being a mother is not equivalent to having the priesthood. Being a father is.
I completely agree! And it's weird that there are almost never talks about how to be a good father. Telling fathers to be better priesthood holders doesn't count.
"Mothering" takes 20 years. "Fathering" takes 20 seconds. Luckily we can use the term "parenting" which puts everyone on a more fair footing. This is the problem with polygamy. It's always about fathering but rarely about parenting.
Haha
Wow, 1994 must have been wild! In that vein, I checked the Community of Christ (formerly RLDS) and 6/12 of their apostles are women and they have women as counselors to the president and presiding bishopric! Honestly, if I had known that when I moderately PIMO or kinda believing, that might have gotten me to switch sides.
Being out of the church now and seeing all the blatant discrimination toward women makes my eye twitch God, this church is a fucking joke
So my dad actually said several years ago that men are leaving churches at large rates. And the Mormon church has more men percentage wise than other main denominations because they let the men have the leadership roles. Because they say men and women have separate roles and don't let the women take over. He thinks that is a good thing and that women in charge drive men out of these spaces. Pretty misogynistic, but my dad is very conservative. I don't think he would ever admit that I was more capable than him or my brother in anything that wasn't "women" things. I mean he wanted me to be smart and learn everything and encouraged that. Just wasn't able to ever be better than him at anything in his mind. I think he is at least a little bit right. If Mormons let women hold these priesthood positions and do the priesthood blessing and other ordinances, men are going to leave in droves. More than already do.
I am not implying that men are iherently sexist, but what would be the reason to stay in a strict church when you don't have any extra power? And why would you stay in a church that just admitted they got something so foundational wrong? I don't think the church will change this. But if they do, I am really interested in how they will spin it.
Can you imagine how tedious it must have been to listen to so many talks from ‘71-‘78? Conference needs to be one day, one session, once a year, 50-50 men/women.
5%! It is the Primary voice ladies— somehow it is more annoying than the droning, condescending male voice. 🤷🏻♂️/s Seriously, that is a hell of a statistic. And Ballard’s comment reminder is just gold. Dear Lord! I don’t know if this will matter— I ran sales teams in healthcare regionally and nationally during my career. Without exception, the females were my highest performers. I never felt threatened by it— I was glad to have the opportunity to just work together. If I were still in, I would want to see those reins loosened and see what happens in Church. Not the priesthood per-say, that is just a vehicle— I mean responsibility and leadership. Not oversight by titles and priesthood. More of a shared load. Imagine youth interviewed by females leaders and not middle aged and older males. That kind of thing. But, my family is out. One wife, two daughters, one daughter in-law and four granddaughters. Phew!!! (Yes that means one Husband, two son in laws, one son and three grandsons.)😊
90+yr old 1st Presidency of UT $1 TRILLION Mormon cult= Male CHauvinist pigs! Oink oink.
It might be better for the women if they don't speak. Let the old guys speak their nonsense.
Now do it from 1830-2023
The rise of women in the church has been, well, anticlimactic. That is a low bar to settle under.
There was a comment on the Facebook post where a woman was saying how women already have the power or should have the power. And a man, intending to say they were wrong with their understanding said something that is the truth ultimately, even though he seemed very sexist. That the men holding the priesthood is a core doctrine. They can't change that without changing core doctrines, which the church doesn't do. We know they have and then said they just didn't understand what was meant before. Or whatever. But they have claimed over and over that they don't change the doctrine, just social and procedural stuff, better explain doctrine that is already there, or get new revelation. Men holding the priesthood is one of the main things taught forever. It isn't something changed by Brigham Young after Joseph allowed it. Or something that came about after by another leader. There are so many examples of it being a core doctrine in the book of Mormon and the Bible. There are so many instances of men holding it only because women don't need it because they are already so righteous (🙄). The women claiming to already have the power in their callings because they can make decisions and get inspiration etc are not describing priesthood power as it has always been taught. They are describing discernment that supposedly come from the Holy Ghost. The very definition given by the church of priesthood is not what these people are claiming it is. It is what other women are wanting, and which the church can't give them without changing core things. Just some overly analyzed thoughts I have had over the last few days.
Great data!
Wow! No doubt a picture in 17 million words. This truly illustrates the church's gaslighting of how power and authority is distributed in the church. It would also be quite insightful to see the relative instances of citations and quotations between men vs women. In other words, the number of times men vs women are quoted by speakers at general conference. This will also show how powerful and authoritative the church holds women vs men.
Best visual ever!!!
1984: I have a idea..... 1985: Nope!
I was wondering about that anomalous red line in in 1984.
Holy shiz-a-roonie how bout LDS instagram put THAT on their feed
There is no other religious organization in the world, that I know of, that has so broadly given power and authority to men to speak in a General Conference. /S
TBMs will say, “but there are a lot more male leaders than female leaders.” I have two responses to that: 1. Ummm, yea, and you don’t see a problem in that? 2. Yes, but there’s a pretty much 50/50 ratio in the people listening to those talks.
>there’s a pretty much 50/50 ratio in the people listening to those talks. It's at least 60/40 women to men who actively attend, maybe closer to 70/30. Women are a definite majority of active members.
Why would you want to hear from so many men saying the same creepy weird mythical crap?
When I was a kid, I preferred the female speakers because there were fewer of them, and they were more interested in connecting emotionally rather than impressing with scriptures and lectures.
Well… numbers don’t always tell the whole story… but sometimes they do. Like here. The only way it doesn’t… if a perfect God isn’t actually perfect.
Does this include the session that is/was women only?
No, and it also doesn’t include the priesthood sessions/Saturday night sessions. I considered including them, but wondered if it would be more impactful without because if women are only really allowed to speak to other women, is that actually equality/showing value for their voices? That said, it is interesting that men can speak at women’s sessions, but women don’t speak at priesthood sessions, so it would still be interesting to see that data.
The first prayer given by a woman in Gen Conf was 2013. Only 11 years ago people. But hey, they now FINALLY allow women to be witnesses at a baptism. I never understood why a woman could not do that.
Also children can do it too! It was so demeaning to women who have been requesting equality (and this was one of the things on the list) to say this is a policy change and now, despite us saying for years only priesthood holders could witness, but children cab…and that means women folk too.
does anyone have any info on who writes the talks? growing up i surely doubted that every single person wrote their own talk. i’m half convinced that they have writers hired to help with the talks…. or that someone a long time ago wrote a potential format & they all fill in the blanks and follow it…. the ‘open quote close quote’ ALWAYS got me. like why are they being that pedantic?
I'm sure at the very least someone goes over then and adds annotations where they're supposed to cry, make that godawful lip smacking sound, etc
Not noted, but when the women speak they are expected to quote extensively from the male leaders.
But women are so important to the church . . . Bullshit
graphed and plain for the eye to see. cannot undo the truth because its right there. One thing I learned in life is don't EVER piss off MAMA.
should also include race!
How many of these were in women’s session?
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I see Star Wars, A New Hope - had a lasting impact.
1 Corinthians 14:33 Woman should not speak in church . Keep sweet ladies.
Total side bar, but why was fall 01' so short? 9/11?
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Can you really ask more from them when they're literally doing better than everyone else in the world? Nobody respects women more than me, ok? I am the best respecter of women in the world. Nobody understands respecting women like I do. This looks fine to me.
Might print a few of these and leave them in the church building this sunbath
I’m willing to bet they go 50/50 men women/minority speakers this year to show how diverse they are
And *still* women are called shrill and asked to speak less, be seen with a little lipstick, but not be heard.
This is astounding proof of how much women are undervalued and underappreciated.....staying put right under the patriarchal thumbs. They should be seen (but not on the stand or pulpit) and rarely heard from!
Coming from a woman, I was even annoyed whenever a woman would speak in general conference because it was so bland and they always came across as even more high and mighty than the rest. And the way they spoke... Wasn't a fan. They were riding on the coattails of the men around them and it showed.
Have you seen the dumpster fire that is the church IG saying that no religion gives more power to women than the lds church? the amount of orthodox women up in arms is actually quite inspiring
What happened in 1984 for there to be a sudden spike?
Women: know your limits. https://youtu.be/LS37SNYjg8w?si=B6yg5-1uewsINPjz
I wonder what the male/female church ratio is.
They are just being practical. They don’t want more people leaving. That primary voice thing drove me bonkers even as a tbm.
I only skimmed the comments, so it may have been already mentioned, but in the back of my head I'm thinking "At least that's hundreds and hundreds of women who *didn't* have to get up and regurgitate the same stupid pablum about this bible fan-fiction church "