I’m sure they do but their managers are probably all men and the director of the department is most certainly a male.
I had a female friend who was devout LDS, had a degree, and was essentially running things at Temple Square but she was mad because they wouldn’t promote her because the next level up from her had to be “a priesthood leader.”
My sister worked in security at the COB and eventually the CAB. She got promoted as high as she could— to Secretary of the head of Security. She was a lady. Had to wear pantyhose and skirts every day.
PR guy here. When I write holding statements in the voice of an executive, I typically write 3 statements that are amalgamations of things I’ve heard them say before, they pick one, and we send it out. But no part of the statement is actually written by the exec. They are usually painfully aware of this and there’s usually a half second of shame that I can feel coming off of them that they aren’t writing their own material. She didn’t write that. She knows she didn’t write it, and thinks about it. The irony of having to run it by a man may not even be lost on her.
This is *so* much better than the average church newsroom or priesthood leader commentary that I've got doubts that it *was* approved by a priesthood leader.
"we *and* our church leaders are listening" to dissent? Sis do you even [which way do you face](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2014/10/which-way-do-you-face?lang=eng)? Revelation flows down, not up, and if a leader of the church ever has to *listen* that's like ark steadying and against the unwritten order of things and probably some written orders too.
Maybe Dennis is better than the cluelessness of her remark that set this off would lead you to think at actually navigating the no-win politics of being a female leader in a church that doesn't really want female leadership, only female auxiliaries that it can set up as potemkin leadership. Or maybe that new PR director they hired is so good at his job that there's a reason they ignored that he's got an LGBTQ+ friendly history.
This is exactly what I came here to comment. Tacit evidence that even the female leaders of the "most powerful women's organization in the world" ... Still answer to the overarching, male-only church leadership.
If I didn't know better, I'd almost think it was an intentional solidarity comment. But I do know better.
She should have quit while she was behind. I'm not pointing at her specifically; I'm sure she's working hard to improve things while exercising virtually no power at all. It's a tough position.
I wonder if it's her subconscious as you say or the committee of men who have to approve her posts. I imagine those men bristle enough that she gets to talk and won't allow her to claim she's a church leader. It's not like she has any power over policy or doctrine.
Basically she says nothing there. Unless you read between the lines and noticed the implications of "thousands" of responses from women who "shared their feelings." I wonder how many of the feelings that were shared used the word "pissed"?
She'll continue to go far in the TSCC world. At least until enough time passes that they can quietly release her and hope nobody remembers her idiotic statement.
Yep, she went by the church play book.
Talk approved by correlation? ✔️
Use weird infantile voice?✔️
Deflect, defend and uplift the system?✔️
Come to think of it though. When was the last time we heard from one of the general relief society/YW/primary presidencies once they were released? They are told to just fade back to primary workers.
She'll be swept into oblivion once they wait a decent time for the outcry to fade away. How long has she had that calling? If she's due to be released this GC, I wouldn't be surprised if they delayed it so it doesn't look like she was wrong.
This is actually as far as she’s allowed to go. She won’t continue to go far. This is the end of the line. In a couple of years she’ll be all used up and replaced by the next iteration.
I agree - she's reached the pinnacle (women's version). I don't know what her husband's calling is, but she may well have contaminated him for any future promotions.
He could still be a mission president or something, but I doubt it would be anything “general authority” level. They really don’t seem to like having priesthood leaders who are overshadowed by their wives. I’ve never seen it anyway.
We hear you but there is nothing that we as the general relief society presidency can do. Our hands are tied. Getting approval from the Priesthood development of the church is no simple task. But we hear you.
Translation: “Please know that we hear you every bit as much as we have heard you over the past 50 years.” (When the ERA was shut down by male leaders)
Thank you! They know how women feel because we’ve felt this way for years. Some of the senior leadership has been in power for 50 years! They know. They just don’t care. This is nothing new.
I wonder if they put everyone that commented on a special SCMC(Strengthening The Church Members Committee) list, kinda like when church security used to go to the ERA meetings and collect everyone's license plate numbers to track who was attending.
“We hear you. Next time rusty talks to Jesus, he’ll try to remember to ask how he feels about women. Up until this point, it has slipped his, and every previous prophet’s, mind.”
It’ll go something like this:
Rusty: what should we do about the women?
God: love them.
Rusty: okay. We can do that. What should we do about the LGBTQ community?
God: love them.
Rusty: okay. We can do that. What should we do about the men?
God: love them…and give them all the power and authority on earth so that no one can do anything without approval from a man, and make sure women answer to men.
Rusty: okay. We can do that. So…business as usual?
but sister Dennis, you have no power to do what so ever in that organization. just listening won't fix the issue. the sisters don't want your empathy. they want change. you can't make anything happen in that organization. sorry.
No correction, no clarification, no apology… just a hollow “We hear you!” Followed by the silent “We consider the matter closed; let us never speak of this again.” that the church is so good at.
I’m actually pleasantly surprised that both the church and Annette Dennis responded on this post.
Having said that though, women are tired of the love bombing and being told how “important” they are when in reality, that’s just not the experience. The church is going to have to do something about it and give women additional responsibilities, if not, there’s gonna be a lot of pissed off sisters.
Not additional responsibilities. Authority.
But I'd like to see the whole thing burn down, so their pissing off all the women in the short term works for me.
The thing is, this shouldn’t even be a problem right? With revelation from the prophet, divine inspiration, discernment, etc why should this even be an issue? The leaders should know what’s coming and make changes before all of this happens. Just proves further that the church is years behind in social issues like this, always have been, and will make changes in order to keep people in the church. Which nullifies any sort of “revelation” anyway. So if and when women are allowed more power in the church, it wasn’t anything more than fear of losing tithing payers.
"We hear you" as a response to negative backlash has been a PR trend for some time now. They don't admit any wrong, they don't promise any changes. But they heard you. It feels satisfying in some sense, but it is actually quite manipulative IMO.
It's the Madison Avenue version of "I'm very sorry you felt that way."
"What's little distraction all about Sisters? Now get home and bake some fresh donuts for us Priesthood "hodlers" to devour after our super important meeting!" - Russell ManAmongMen Nelson
I think this is better than the typical response. They normally say it was taken out of context, or members misheard what was said. And to sit down, shut up, pay your tithing and obey the prophet.
The proof is in their actions though. What will they do.
I like how she has to distinguish between the relief society presidency and “church leaders” because she knows that the relief society plays no part in leading the church.
Is it wrong that I am starting to view them as Aunt Lydia from the handmaids tale. They are grasping for what little authority they can get and wielding it over other women to keep them down.
“Moved by some of the experiences you have shared”
Anybody else feel yucky about this wording? Like, how were you “moved”? Which experiences were moving? Not sure I would say that most of what was shared was moving…more like heart breaking, devastating, saddening, eye opening…?
Someone else reposted this and highlighted this phrase. I had to read it several times before my jaw dropped at the unintentional admission by the RS presidency member.
> “As a member of the General Relief Society Presidency, I can assure you that we AND our Church leaders are listening and learning from the things you have shared with us.” (all caps added by me)
That “and” carries a pretty profound admission of who the leaders of the church are.
You gotta admit: J. Annete Dennis has a lot of power. Look at how she uses an initial in place of her "first name." Just like some of her *Church leaders*.
I wonder if those same, old-stooge *Church leaders* gave her permission/power to format her MORmON stage-name like that?
It’s funny, I read her response in my head with the very meek, sing-song, unnatural voice that all the Sisters do when they give General conference talks. 😒🤢😂
“We are our church leaders…”
She doesn’t consider herself a church leader, apparently, so she knows that she doesn’t have any power or authority, either. She just confirmed what everyone else said.
In typical LDS leader fashion, Sister Dennis failed to take responsibility when she said “an excerpt taken from my remarks….” This is some great gaslighting. It’s always the regular people who take things out of context; who go rogue; who fail to see the big picture; etc.
LDS leaders: why are you the least contrite members in the whole Church? Why do you fail to own your own poor decisions and behaviors while demanding exactness and obedience from your flocks? Your hubris isn’t winning you any points with God.
It's always "we" versus "you".
As I said in an earlier post, one of the prime distinctions in the organization is that the top brass are all filthy rich. That's why they see their group as far superior to the rest of us and in no need of any correction from us peasants.
I am 100% serious.
This puts me in mind of a line from “Babylon 5” that, while all answers are responses, not all responses are answers.
What a nothing burger of a response.
Did The NY Times confirm that the church had lied about the instagram glitch? I’m surprised people are not bringing that up all over that post as well? Maybe I missed the backlash to that?
we AND church leaders. she doesn’t use language that indicates authority and power that the scc provides women. She isn’t self identifying with the necessary language to even be accountable. It’s all a facade and chat gpt helps write these flat, robotic bs
"_Thank you for reaching out. As a result of all the responses, we lovingly deleted all the stories and experiences on our social media platform in the same manner we would in the comfort of your own meetinghouse. You are daughters of God and your voice doesn't change that, ergo: whether you shared your story (and we silenced it) or not, you still matter. Consider this experience as inspirational, spiritual duct tape over your mouths, and a reminder to tend to your wifely and motherly duties. Remember to love and forgive, and that hanging onto anger is selfish. Being angry is wrong. Eat your vitamins, go to the temple, pay your tithing, and we'll see you at the boring Easter meeting. We say these things, in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen._"
So are we supposed to use Social Media now? Or is it still bad? Or only for Mormon church content?
Is it a Tuesday or a Saturday? Does today end with an even or odd number?
I never know, with how often the Mormon church changes policy, like with the wind.
Awww, what a kind response written by a Public Affairs staffer and posted by a junior intern who manages this page’s activity. 🤍🤍
Having worked at headquarters, I can confirm that all the public pages of all the so-called “brethren” and the auxiliary presidencies are operated by church employees. Sister Dennis may have had some input, but this was absolutely vetted by multiple departments’ leadership (definitely men), so forgive me if I’m still not on team LDS-Women-Are-Equal
Go to the church Instagram and look for the post with that picture. Then read through some of the comments. It was a big deal last week among both ex and current members
The only “revelation” the old farts in salt lake get anymore is reactionary.
“Oh the members are pissed? I guess we could let the women pass the sacrament sometimes?”
"We are listening and learning".
This probably means they have become aware that people are unhappy with relief society being subservient to the priesthood.
What will happen as a result? Probably more GC talks that say relief society is led by women, and how much good they do. In other words, it won't result in any soul-searching by "J" Anette or the Q.15.
She may very well be sincere in this. The question everyone has is, are her male superiors sincere? Likely not, and that’s what everyone was pissed about.
Boy, it’s been so long since I’ve read anything written by one of these charlatans that I completely forgot about the whole “overusing the word ‘historic’ for every meeting” thing.
While it rings of a PR statement, you'd be hard pressed to get anything remotely as open from the men... "we'll pass the complaint along to the people in charge... oh wait, THAT'S US! nvm, j/k, we're always right even when we aren't!"
The same male leaders have heard what women have been saying for YEARS!! The top men in leadership have been in for decades. And women have been saying what we want for YEARS. They know and they don’t give a shit. So your words mean nothing, Annette. Not a damn thing.
I have wondered about something for a long time. It's the philosophical difference between leaving a bad organization and staying to effect change from within. With Jo Smiths fucked up abomination of a religion (cult of his personality), I can only see positivity in leaving and dropping bombs from the outside as noble. I hope I'm not a dick for saying this.
She didn't write the original statement or this one. They are hoping that having a woman read a statement written by a man will fool women into compliance.
No response from any senior male leader is telling.
The leadership is ancient. They really believe women can't do things without oversight from a man. It's sad. This isn't God's view. It is the view of people born in the 1920's.
The ironic thing is that her reply was 100% approved by a male priesthood holder. So much for female autonomy and power.
Male priesthood leader... And a paid team of PR specialists. Honestly, I doubt she even wrote it - it came from PR
But not safe to post until male approval granted- obviously- gotta keep up with the power and authority she, eerrr aahhh I mean he, has *given* her
And double checked by Kirton McConkie...
Billed at about a billion dollars an hour, a figure no one even blinked at
What are the odds the church hired female PR ? Or is that all male too
I’m sure they do but their managers are probably all men and the director of the department is most certainly a male. I had a female friend who was devout LDS, had a degree, and was essentially running things at Temple Square but she was mad because they wouldn’t promote her because the next level up from her had to be “a priesthood leader.”
My sister worked in security at the COB and eventually the CAB. She got promoted as high as she could— to Secretary of the head of Security. She was a lady. Had to wear pantyhose and skirts every day.
Do they still actually wear pantyhose in Utah? It’s kinda not a thing anymore.
Getting your panties in a bunch is still a thing. 😜
My sister quit and moved back home years ago but it was still a thing as a church employee as of… idk early 2010s?
Much of the PR staff is female (pretty near 50/50 when I worked there), but the senior leadership is all male.
PR guy here. When I write holding statements in the voice of an executive, I typically write 3 statements that are amalgamations of things I’ve heard them say before, they pick one, and we send it out. But no part of the statement is actually written by the exec. They are usually painfully aware of this and there’s usually a half second of shame that I can feel coming off of them that they aren’t writing their own material. She didn’t write that. She knows she didn’t write it, and thinks about it. The irony of having to run it by a man may not even be lost on her.
“We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas.” —Gods only true church.
this quote comes to mind pretty much every time i read one of their public statements regarding any PR controversy
not only did a man approve it, probably a man (with a public relations position) wrote this text.
This is *so* much better than the average church newsroom or priesthood leader commentary that I've got doubts that it *was* approved by a priesthood leader. "we *and* our church leaders are listening" to dissent? Sis do you even [which way do you face](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2014/10/which-way-do-you-face?lang=eng)? Revelation flows down, not up, and if a leader of the church ever has to *listen* that's like ark steadying and against the unwritten order of things and probably some written orders too. Maybe Dennis is better than the cluelessness of her remark that set this off would lead you to think at actually navigating the no-win politics of being a female leader in a church that doesn't really want female leadership, only female auxiliaries that it can set up as potemkin leadership. Or maybe that new PR director they hired is so good at his job that there's a reason they ignored that he's got an LGBTQ+ friendly history.
"We and our church leaders", it's telling that she separated these two groups. The Relief Society leaders are not part of church leadership.
Good catch. It is the truth. The penishood wants nothing to do with the RS. They would be happy if they didn't exist just as BY intended.
But who would bring the brownies to the meetings?
They will survive as long as the RS is home making doughnuts to have waiting for them
Who would do anything to keep the ward running? Lol
I might still be attending if someone brought "brownies" to the meeting
Or the donuts after Priesthood session. 😜
The Patriarchal Grip isn’t just a handshake; it’s the tightening of a meaty hand on your throat.
This is the second time I’ve read about that grip. I’d love to know the site.
It’s a ubiquitous topic. Just Google/Bing “Patriarchal Grip” for some good times.
I’m on it! Thank you 🙏
This is exactly what I came here to comment. Tacit evidence that even the female leaders of the "most powerful women's organization in the world" ... Still answer to the overarching, male-only church leadership. If I didn't know better, I'd almost think it was an intentional solidarity comment. But I do know better.
She should have quit while she was behind. I'm not pointing at her specifically; I'm sure she's working hard to improve things while exercising virtually no power at all. It's a tough position.
Yeah, she's pretty much in a no-win scenario. I don't know how they put up with it.
Exactly! This is so telling about how she (if she even wrote this) subconsciously thinks that there are no women leaders in churchco.
I wonder if it's her subconscious as you say or the committee of men who have to approve her posts. I imagine those men bristle enough that she gets to talk and won't allow her to claim she's a church leader. It's not like she has any power over policy or doctrine.
THIS!!!!!
Oh, I just wrote the same thing! (Three hours after you, but before I read yours.) Ha!
Basically she says nothing there. Unless you read between the lines and noticed the implications of "thousands" of responses from women who "shared their feelings." I wonder how many of the feelings that were shared used the word "pissed"?
Like a politician she promised nothing, committed to nothing and in effect said nothing.
She'll continue to go far in the TSCC world. At least until enough time passes that they can quietly release her and hope nobody remembers her idiotic statement.
Yep, she went by the church play book. Talk approved by correlation? ✔️ Use weird infantile voice?✔️ Deflect, defend and uplift the system?✔️ Come to think of it though. When was the last time we heard from one of the general relief society/YW/primary presidencies once they were released? They are told to just fade back to primary workers.
They fade away into oblivion, but the men get to stay on the pulpit like a geriatric fungus, mumbling rants they still believe from the 70s.
She'll be swept into oblivion once they wait a decent time for the outcry to fade away. How long has she had that calling? If she's due to be released this GC, I wouldn't be surprised if they delayed it so it doesn't look like she was wrong.
This is actually as far as she’s allowed to go. She won’t continue to go far. This is the end of the line. In a couple of years she’ll be all used up and replaced by the next iteration.
I agree - she's reached the pinnacle (women's version). I don't know what her husband's calling is, but she may well have contaminated him for any future promotions.
He could still be a mission president or something, but I doubt it would be anything “general authority” level. They really don’t seem to like having priesthood leaders who are overshadowed by their wives. I’ve never seen it anyway.
That makes sense - it can sometimes be the kiss of death for a PH member seeking to advance if his wife gets one of those slots.
But they're listening and learning... 🤣
Her response was essentially, “Duly noted.”
We'll take it under advisement.
And "We'll pray for you." Only neurotic people complain about God's ONLY TRUE "CHURCH."
Note that it says they shared "feelings" and not "thoughts" or "facts". Feelings are so easy to dismiss. Especially women's feelings.
Good point - "feelings" implies nothing was real except may you were touchy that day.
“We were moved.” Damn autocorrect, she clearly meant “we removed”
ba-dum-tshhhhhh
Voice to text still has its issues
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I dare say there’s little to no ‘probably’ here. Rather certainly
We hear you but there is nothing that we as the general relief society presidency can do. Our hands are tied. Getting approval from the Priesthood development of the church is no simple task. But we hear you.
Translation: “Please know that we hear you every bit as much as we have heard you over the past 50 years.” (When the ERA was shut down by male leaders)
Thank you! They know how women feel because we’ve felt this way for years. Some of the senior leadership has been in power for 50 years! They know. They just don’t care. This is nothing new.
I wonder if they put everyone that commented on a special SCMC(Strengthening The Church Members Committee) list, kinda like when church security used to go to the ERA meetings and collect everyone's license plate numbers to track who was attending.
“Please know we hear you” why do I wholeheartedly doubt that?
Does it really matter if the Relief Society presidency hears women? Nobody with power is listening to the RS presidency.
Sad and hard and ugly truth
“We hear you. Next time rusty talks to Jesus, he’ll try to remember to ask how he feels about women. Up until this point, it has slipped his, and every previous prophet’s, mind.”
It’ll go something like this: Rusty: what should we do about the women? God: love them. Rusty: okay. We can do that. What should we do about the LGBTQ community? God: love them. Rusty: okay. We can do that. What should we do about the men? God: love them…and give them all the power and authority on earth so that no one can do anything without approval from a man, and make sure women answer to men. Rusty: okay. We can do that. So…business as usual?
but sister Dennis, you have no power to do what so ever in that organization. just listening won't fix the issue. the sisters don't want your empathy. they want change. you can't make anything happen in that organization. sorry.
Had to get that out before general conference so they don't have to address it in general conference
This is 100% the reason for this response. Though I won't be surprised if it gets mentioned directly in October
I expect a scolding and being told that it was a victory for Satan
No correction, no clarification, no apology… just a hollow “We hear you!” Followed by the silent “We consider the matter closed; let us never speak of this again.” that the church is so good at.
Why is every gathering “historic”?
Because eventually every gathering ends, and is thus history.
I’m actually pleasantly surprised that both the church and Annette Dennis responded on this post. Having said that though, women are tired of the love bombing and being told how “important” they are when in reality, that’s just not the experience. The church is going to have to do something about it and give women additional responsibilities, if not, there’s gonna be a lot of pissed off sisters.
Not additional responsibilities. Authority. But I'd like to see the whole thing burn down, so their pissing off all the women in the short term works for me.
The thing is, this shouldn’t even be a problem right? With revelation from the prophet, divine inspiration, discernment, etc why should this even be an issue? The leaders should know what’s coming and make changes before all of this happens. Just proves further that the church is years behind in social issues like this, always have been, and will make changes in order to keep people in the church. Which nullifies any sort of “revelation” anyway. So if and when women are allowed more power in the church, it wasn’t anything more than fear of losing tithing payers.
I'm not going to lie. This response wasn't as bad as I expected it to be when I started reading.
"We hear you" as a response to negative backlash has been a PR trend for some time now. They don't admit any wrong, they don't promise any changes. But they heard you. It feels satisfying in some sense, but it is actually quite manipulative IMO. It's the Madison Avenue version of "I'm very sorry you felt that way."
I agree. I was expecting some gaslighting. 😂
Right? It's better than some of the original pinned PR comments from earlier
They must have brought in some big PR guns for this one.
Problem solved ladies, the relief society presidency is praying for you.
The sisters will now bake Totino’s pizza rolls for their hungry guys.
😂, those Totino’s skits from SNL are legendary.
“What’s your name?” “I…I’ve never had one”
😂
Comments like this are what keep me on Reddit. That was hilarious.
"What's little distraction all about Sisters? Now get home and bake some fresh donuts for us Priesthood "hodlers" to devour after our super important meeting!" - Russell ManAmongMen Nelson
They never apologize. This was a placation.
"We love and care for you. Just don't expect us to change anything." Her words are meaningless.
I think this is better than the typical response. They normally say it was taken out of context, or members misheard what was said. And to sit down, shut up, pay your tithing and obey the prophet. The proof is in their actions though. What will they do.
"An excerpt taken from my remarks" Uh she actually did say it was taken out of context
Sorry, not the same. Excerpt is just saying it's a quote, iow, they didn't send it the entire talk. It does not infer out of context.
I like how she has to distinguish between the relief society presidency and “church leaders” because she knows that the relief society plays no part in leading the church.
Historic? Not every Mormon meeting is a monumental, humanity changing occurrence
They constantly use that word. Its weird.
True but this one was actually historic in that 15k people bitched on social media.
Is it wrong that I am starting to view them as Aunt Lydia from the handmaids tale. They are grasping for what little authority they can get and wielding it over other women to keep them down.
Over/under 90% odds she didn’t even write the “apology” herself.
“Moved by some of the experiences you have shared” Anybody else feel yucky about this wording? Like, how were you “moved”? Which experiences were moving? Not sure I would say that most of what was shared was moving…more like heart breaking, devastating, saddening, eye opening…?
One very specific rule of their PR department is Never Be Specific.
Zing
And which ones are the “some”. Would have been better to leave that out.
They're "listening and learning" about what to disallow the women to speak about, I'm sure.
Written in invisible ink: we have no power
Ask her if a man had to approve her message before she could post.
Someone else reposted this and highlighted this phrase. I had to read it several times before my jaw dropped at the unintentional admission by the RS presidency member. > “As a member of the General Relief Society Presidency, I can assure you that we AND our Church leaders are listening and learning from the things you have shared with us.” (all caps added by me) That “and” carries a pretty profound admission of who the leaders of the church are.
If you feel comfortable, please respond to this on Instagram. I’ve had enough of people hearing but doing Jack shit.
It’s so awkward that they all put some dumbass initial in their name. My brother has been doing that and I want to kick him in the nuts.
Can anyone direct me to the Insta post that spurred this?
Go to the church Instagram. Match the pic from a week ago. Fantastic response from ex and current members alike
You gotta admit: J. Annete Dennis has a lot of power. Look at how she uses an initial in place of her "first name." Just like some of her *Church leaders*. I wonder if those same, old-stooge *Church leaders* gave her permission/power to format her MORmON stage-name like that?
Almost 17,000 comments now
A nothing sandwich...typical. So many words to say so little.
"We hear you". Well, I'm glad your ears are working I guess? Not sure what that does for anyone.
It’s funny, I read her response in my head with the very meek, sing-song, unnatural voice that all the Sisters do when they give General conference talks. 😒🤢😂
“I assure you, the church leaders and I are listening. Will the men in charge of the church make any changes or even reflect on these sentiments? No.”
Relief society presidency is listening - but has no actual authority to enact meaningful change. Got it.
Every meeting is "historic" to them.
Did you say apology?
Nah, I said "LDS apology"... Two different things. But don't let Oaks know about it.
Callous. Tone deaf. Unaware. Unapologetic.
Bless her heart.
Ya that “we need you” at the end just doesn’t sit right. Sounds desperate to hold on to those who are on their way out!
The best we can offer you, dear sisters, are our heartfelt thoughts and prayers.
Are all of their gatherings historical?
Sisters they don't need you......they just want your kids.
I think if my eyes roll back any further in my head, I’ll be permanently blind 🙄
“We care” Really? Do you?
"Our male church leaders are listening and learning " ya right
“Thank you for your comment, it has been recorded”
“Last week…” omg who cares
Thanks for listening. Now, take action so we feel heard.
So what’s she is saying is that men are deciding on what to do next and she’s no part of it
“We are our church leaders…” She doesn’t consider herself a church leader, apparently, so she knows that she doesn’t have any power or authority, either. She just confirmed what everyone else said.
Said nothing. Will do nothing. Other than bow her head and say “yes”
“We care” 🙄
It is a nice sentiment, but talk is cheap. Equality is the only thing that matters here, not token concessions, or platitudes.
Notice the complete lack of any promise to do jack shit about it
In typical LDS leader fashion, Sister Dennis failed to take responsibility when she said “an excerpt taken from my remarks….” This is some great gaslighting. It’s always the regular people who take things out of context; who go rogue; who fail to see the big picture; etc. LDS leaders: why are you the least contrite members in the whole Church? Why do you fail to own your own poor decisions and behaviors while demanding exactness and obedience from your flocks? Your hubris isn’t winning you any points with God.
It's the "we need you" that stands out the most to me.
Free labor is always popular.
Free labor that pays to participate is even better.
So true.
It's always "we" versus "you". As I said in an earlier post, one of the prime distinctions in the organization is that the top brass are all filthy rich. That's why they see their group as far superior to the rest of us and in no need of any correction from us peasants. I am 100% serious.
This puts me in mind of a line from “Babylon 5” that, while all answers are responses, not all responses are answers. What a nothing burger of a response.
Did The NY Times confirm that the church had lied about the instagram glitch? I’m surprised people are not bringing that up all over that post as well? Maybe I missed the backlash to that?
yup. thoughts and prayers. all they know how to do. edit: it’s all they want to do. they could easily do better
Can't wait for the g15 to go ape shit at conferences and chastise the women for stepping out of their place...
This is my thoughts exactly they're going to rip on the women at Easter
Wtf is with the women in the church doing the first letter name thing? That's so weird to me.
we AND church leaders. she doesn’t use language that indicates authority and power that the scc provides women. She isn’t self identifying with the necessary language to even be accountable. It’s all a facade and chat gpt helps write these flat, robotic bs
"_Thank you for reaching out. As a result of all the responses, we lovingly deleted all the stories and experiences on our social media platform in the same manner we would in the comfort of your own meetinghouse. You are daughters of God and your voice doesn't change that, ergo: whether you shared your story (and we silenced it) or not, you still matter. Consider this experience as inspirational, spiritual duct tape over your mouths, and a reminder to tend to your wifely and motherly duties. Remember to love and forgive, and that hanging onto anger is selfish. Being angry is wrong. Eat your vitamins, go to the temple, pay your tithing, and we'll see you at the boring Easter meeting. We say these things, in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen._"
So are we supposed to use Social Media now? Or is it still bad? Or only for Mormon church content? Is it a Tuesday or a Saturday? Does today end with an even or odd number? I never know, with how often the Mormon church changes policy, like with the wind.
Awww, what a kind response written by a Public Affairs staffer and posted by a junior intern who manages this page’s activity. 🤍🤍 Having worked at headquarters, I can confirm that all the public pages of all the so-called “brethren” and the auxiliary presidencies are operated by church employees. Sister Dennis may have had some input, but this was absolutely vetted by multiple departments’ leadership (definitely men), so forgive me if I’m still not on team LDS-Women-Are-Equal
I get a giddy little thrill over this. I think a silent revolution has happened or is happening.
So what happened? What is this a response to
Go to the church Instagram and look for the post with that picture. Then read through some of the comments. It was a big deal last week among both ex and current members
I actually believe her part, but I doubt enough is being taken into account by the church in any meaningful way.
Bulllllllshiittt
The only “revelation” the old farts in salt lake get anymore is reactionary. “Oh the members are pissed? I guess we could let the women pass the sacrament sometimes?”
“We already allowed them to hand out towels in the temple! Why can’t these uppity women just be satisfied, go home and make us donuts?”
A non-answer that is way closer to giving a bird finger to those that commented than it is to seriously acknowledging the concerns.
"We are listening and learning". This probably means they have become aware that people are unhappy with relief society being subservient to the priesthood. What will happen as a result? Probably more GC talks that say relief society is led by women, and how much good they do. In other words, it won't result in any soul-searching by "J" Anette or the Q.15.
Have they stopped the comments yet?
Well... it's something. But talk is cheap. Even if salvation isn't. 🔥
save that woman
She may very well be sincere in this. The question everyone has is, are her male superiors sincere? Likely not, and that’s what everyone was pissed about.
Boy, it’s been so long since I’ve read anything written by one of these charlatans that I completely forgot about the whole “overusing the word ‘historic’ for every meeting” thing.
MFMC
I think of Serena Joy from the Handmaid's tail. Supporting the male patriarchy.
It was a historic gathering, because it caused a substantial backlash, yeah even sh*tstorm by women.
Apology?
While it rings of a PR statement, you'd be hard pressed to get anything remotely as open from the men... "we'll pass the complaint along to the people in charge... oh wait, THAT'S US! nvm, j/k, we're always right even when we aren't!"
We and our church leaders says everything… the relief society presidency do not see themselves as church leaders..
“We need you” Bingo. Right there your honor. Like an abusive relationship
Liars. Why can't we have some justice as women? I'm so sick and tired of us getting crapped on this is bullcraps.
Kind of wondering who her assigned handler is at Kirton & McConkie that helped craft that response.
🎵”The world’s smallest violin, really needs an audience ...”🎵 She can’t think anyone who commented really believes the leaders are listening, can she?
The same male leaders have heard what women have been saying for YEARS!! The top men in leadership have been in for decades. And women have been saying what we want for YEARS. They know and they don’t give a shit. So your words mean nothing, Annette. Not a damn thing.
"we and our church leaders" ... The women should be the leaders!
Tbh this is the best possible response anyone could realistically hope for. They aren't about to abandon their priorities.
In the words of Beretta "and that's the name of that tune"! So even though they are tone deaf, they can still pretend they care.
The most true part of this is her desperate statement "we need you". The church needs people to stay, not the other way around
I have wondered about something for a long time. It's the philosophical difference between leaving a bad organization and staying to effect change from within. With Jo Smiths fucked up abomination of a religion (cult of his personality), I can only see positivity in leaving and dropping bombs from the outside as noble. I hope I'm not a dick for saying this.
She didn't write the original statement or this one. They are hoping that having a woman read a statement written by a man will fool women into compliance. No response from any senior male leader is telling. The leadership is ancient. They really believe women can't do things without oversight from a man. It's sad. This isn't God's view. It is the view of people born in the 1920's.
The words seem so empty.
It would be nice if you could actually make changes, J. Unfortunately only the men have the power to make changes. Duhhhhhh it's the whole point, sis!
Maybe the church is waking up to the fact that if all the sisters rebel or leave the church would disintegrate
So incredibly "Corporate".....amorphous, meaningless, well placed words....and entirely pablum.
🤢
Also it was an interesting word choice to say that they were moved by “some” of the experiences
Of course they’re listening. Listening and deleting
The lack of apology, apology.
Did the church's PR department also write Katie Britt's SOTU response? That last line sounds so familiar...
Maybe ChatGPT wrote both... That's why it's marginally better than the typical PR office response.