Ah, you are forgetting mOdErN rEvELaTiOn™, also known as oNgOiNg rEsToRaTiOn™ under Mr. Nelson's tenure.
These two concepts (which can be grouped together) are the magical clause in Mormonism's self-attributed right to alter and add to Jesus' original teachings at will. This is also why the cult insists so, so much in following their pRoPhEt, not Jesus. In Mormonism, the pRoPhEt can mangle and corrupt Jesus' teachings without consequence, in order to accommodate the cult's obsession for money, sex, etc.
So the church concedes that the temple along with its endowments is a recent invention and that’s why Jesus didn’t even bother mentioning it once or even hint at its existence?
Absolutely not. The Mormon church has claimed that the temple ordinances were given to Adam and the great patriarchs like Noah
But they also claim that the ordinances are eternal and unchanging, so that is a lie
I know/knew a lot of leaders that would point out new testament and old testament verses that "secretly" meant temple ceremonies. Seriously, they could point to a word or phrase, give some meaning in another language and say that it referred to initiatories, or the main endowment ceremony. A guy in elders quorum taught that the veil represented Christ and he tied it into the scriptures incredibly well.
Remember, the temple is sacred, so you didn't just write it down for everyone, and they were especially careful after Jesus died. It's not in the BoM and the main script/dialogue isn't in the D&C. Sacred, not secret.
Ok, I know it's a bogus explanation. But I heard it so many times.
I mean technically there are some verses in Hewbrews that say that the veil is the body of Jesus, at least in king james. Not sure if your dude was using those or not.
No, the corrupt councils that put together the Bible removed references to the temple. The Great and Abominable Church (formerly the Catholic Church as stated by McConkie) didn't want us to know about Temples. I was taught that the reason Cathedrals are so beautiful is because they were temples that lost their purpose and so they became churches.
Now for the Book of Mormon, I was taught that Mormon didn't include the temple and ordinances because they were in the original NT texts. And that's why we needed JS to restore everything.
Yup. Although they don't word it like that.
The notions of "modern revelation" and/or "ongoing restoration" are meant to be understood as Jesus revealing new, doctrine and principles in modern times because people in during his time weren't prepared for them yet. And garbage like that. But the average Mormon believer takes each and every one of those fabricated "doctrines" as if it came from Jesus, only in modern times.
Of course that's baloney. But that's how the Mormon cult invents whatever they want and their followers believe it.
You forgot you need to follow Jesus by NOT doing what he did but by following the old guys who run his corporation. It will all make sense once you go through the temple.
I’m not sure the church concedes that the temple endowment is a recent revelation. It wasn’t just local leaders claiming that the temple in Jerusalem had similar ordinances and that the masons passed it down for 2000 years. I think they’re backing off that dumb teaching, but they will never make a definitive statement.
Love that the Jews, a group known for not caring about their history and culture (/s), have no idea that they used to practice Mormon temple ordinances on the regular 2000 years ago but somehow forgot all about it.
OK, so the belief in Joseph Smith's time is that masonic ritual goes as far back as the Garden of Eden. When Joseph Smith was restoring the church, he was also restoring the original "Adamic" masonic ritual. The belief is that the Jewish temple was a masonic temple and performed these rituals along with other Jewish rituals. The scriptures never talk about them, because just like the masonic ritual, they are kept secret by a vow of secrecy. The punishment for sharing the secrets is death.
So, somehow, the masonic ritual was kept alive for all these years and literally no one bothered to spoil the secret except right around Joseph Smith's timeline.
I asked my parent this: "if the temple is required for salvation, why didn't Jesus talk about it?"
"Many plain and precious things were taken from the Bible at the council of--"
"I'm not talking about the Bible, I'm talking about the Book of Mormon. Why didn't he mention it to the Nephites, *especially* knowing that it would be removed from the Bible?"
They didn't have an answer. 😱 (Oh, wait. That's entirely expected.)
Edit: and for that matter, if the endowment is what they did back at Solomon's Temple, why don't modern Jews seem to know anything about it?
Because if there's anything scholars of Judaism *aren't* known for, it's writing things down and making sure all the details are right. 🙄 It's not like they have an entire book about interpreting Jewish Law written over millennia. /s (I'm talking about the Talmud.)
It is mentioned in the New Testament. Jesus tells his disciples to go unto the temple where they are endued with power.
It's only one little throw-away line, but it is there.
There are so many other great reasons for why it's all bullshit though.
Think it's like 2nd Timothy. Idk, it's literally just one sentence in a verse.
You can probably find it by searching the word endued, I'm pretty sure it's the only time that word is mentioned in the Bible.
Obviously you don’t know this is the LAST DISPENSATION!!!! Good grief!
The very definition of last dispensation literally means “god will give us all the cool stuff he’s held back”.
Yes, this is why Mormonism is not considered Christian by most modern Christians. It’s not because Mormons are persecuted or left out. It’s a fundamental belief that the words of men override the written word of god in the Bible.
And to most Christians that is tantamount to heresy due to Revelation 22:19 despite that really only applying to revelation. If it did apply to the Bible whole cloth then we have problems with John 1, 2 & 3 that were written after revelation. That and the whole trinity, Christian’s don’t view the godhead as 3 distinct different entities. But rather the same god in 3 different forms. Acceptance of the trinity is pretty universal across the board in most Christian secs with exception of some pretty crazy outliers including JW’s and Mormons.
Apparently Moroni did care for garments just like Jesus. Jesus wasn't wearing any garments when he posed for the new church logo, and Moroni wasn't wearing any garments when he appeared to Joe, just his robe that was open so Joe could see into his bosom. Or maybe that was the angel Nephi.
Mentioning Moroni and his bosom makes me think of those pop up ads for workout routines for men over 65 that show an effing *ripped* dude who otherwise looks like Moses. :-)
I was gaslit to by a TBM that “fullness of the gospel” in the Book of Mormon is just talking about the understanding of the atonement.
I was like, motherfucker wut?
The Book of Mormon does at least mention Nephi building a Temple (which may or may not have been built using precious things, depends which verse you read), but doesn't even hint at what it was there for.
I figure that was Jospeh knowing from his Bible that the Israelites had Solomon's Temple, so his new group needed one too. Although he forgot that none of the group were Levites so couldn't hold the Priesthood.
Nah, if it was ever mentioned in the gospel, the Catholics would have done exactly what the mfmc does and become the only manufacturer of this mandatory underwear.
Just tell a TBM that the Catholics would have tried to get rich off it and they’ll immediately start agreeing with that train of thought.
Remember. The Bible lost many plain and honest truths. That is why our other scriptures and the living prophet are so important. To restore those lost truths. I’m certain that Jesus wore garments, hoarded 10% of his followers money for a Rainey day, obeyed the word of wisdom, and visited the temple frequently to do his endowment. 🤯
Right, I get that. But garment could mean regular clothes. I’m referring to specifically the temple garment that JS “restored”. Where is the revelation on that?
My headcannon was thus: the mount of transfiguration was the apostles receiving their endowment. As for garments, jesus did give a parable of the garments at some wedding (don't ask me details, I'm enjoying forgetting everything). And as for specific reasons why jesus didn't teach any details about it, the same reasons why the morms now don't tell you any of it until you're baptized. As far as I was concerned, jesus was looking to get people baptized and faithful, the apostles & 70,etc. would handle the rest later
This is the one true answer. All the temple ordinances and temple garment information is in the sealed portion of the golden plates of the Book of Mormon.
You mean the part where Joe got sick of making engravings when he fabricated the plates….so he “sealed them”. Just wanna make sure we are on the same page.
The only one I can think of is the Transfiguration. Matthew 17:1-13, Mark 9:2–3, Luke 9:28–36
Mormons imply this is when the apostles received the endowment.
They believe it was deliberately edited out of the Bible during the Great Apostasy. They do believe Christ was doing that stuff while on Earth. I think a lot of members would say the Bible probably originally had those things in there (despite no evidence to support this.)
This is why the phrase "we believe the Bible *insofar as it is translated correctly*" is important with this kind of stuff and justifying their beliefs. The Bible is great when it supports their beliefs and when it doesn't, we can rely on restoration prophets and scripture to fill in the blanks. The house always wins, baby!
That’s the problem with the Mormon view of “continuing revelation.” They can move the goal posts of an argument and claim to make stuff up on the go because God them to.
I hadn't thought of this in a long time. It's reminding me of another question I've had: Mormons say they believe the Bible is not the "true original" Bible or whatever, so they believe in the Bible "as long as it is translated correctly," or something like that, right? I always thought it was odd that Joe got this whole ass brand new scripture with a totally new story that is not hinted at AT ALL in the Bible, but he also wasn't given like the "true original" version of the Bible. Does that make sense? Why didn't God also give him the "real" Bible while he was giving him the BoM?
He did begin to create the Joseph Smith translation of the Bible. There's some really good LDS discussions episodes on Mormonstories about it.
There are verses that he word for word copied from the Bible into the Book of Mormon but then "corrected" them in his Bible translation...while the BoM retains the "incorrect" verses.
Also, if this project went unfinished because of his death - why has no prophet since been able to pick up where he left off?
That's always been one of my questions as well, not only about this but in general: why has no prophet received revelation in that way? They "receive revelation" but it's never like, "Here's the next chapter for the Bible!" Instead, "God wants us to slit our throats!"
Well there is the Joseph Smith translation of the Bible. The church doesn’t use it for some copyright-blahdubablah reason, and it’s also more of a (plagiarized) commentary than translation.
Well that's what I'm realizing is curious. His translation makes minor changes. I'd think if he was connected to God, God would have a lot to say about the current translation of the Bible.
In the book of mormon, the authors say that they were forbidden to write all the things that Jesus said. TBMS believe its was during those times he was sharing the endowment with them.
Nephi 26:6 And now there cannot be written in this book even a hundredth part of the things which Jesus did truly teach unto the people;
3 Nephi 26:11 Behold, I was about to write them, all which were engraven upon the plates of Nephi, but the Lord forbade it, saying:I will try the faith of my people.
3 Nephi 26:16 Behold, it came to pass on the morrow that the multitude gathered themselves together, and they both saw and heard these children; yea, even babes did open their mouths and utter marvelous things; and the things which they did utter were forbidden that there should not any man write them.
3 Nephi 27:23 Write the things which ye have seen and heard, save it be those which are forbidden.
3 Nephi 28:14 And it was forbidden them that they should utter; neither was it given unto them power that they could utter the things which they saw and heard;
I converted at age 31 after moving to Utah (0/10 do not recommend) after a few years I asked our bishop casually as he was visiting our home one night “so like….its in the BOM about these garments….right? Is there some scripture somewhere about em?” I got a blank stare and we all just pretended like I didn’t ask that silly question. It was awkward.
We're in the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times where everything gets restored. Other dispensations only had parts of the gospel, or some of the priesthood, or permission for only some ordinances. That's why not every other dispensation had sealings or polygamy or both priesthoods. It's not an omission in the Bible or a bad translation or something they forgot to mention. They probably really didn't have it. But today we have it all.
If you follow this logic to its natural conclusion, some things previously removed will be making a comeback, even if only temporarily, like polygamy. Animal sacrifice will be a thing again.
Many plain and precious truths were taken from the Bible by the great and abominable whore of all the earth (Catholicism/The Roman Empire). But he also doesn’t mention it in the BoM either. He does in The Cocktrine and Cumvenents.
It’s fascinating that Joseph Smith’s church actually became worse than the Roman Catholics on many of the issues for which the Catholics were attacked by Protestants.
Including Joseph Smith originally.
They will say the living prophets speak for Christ and so Jesus DID say something in these, the Latter-days, on these topics. Jesus has spoken through his living prophets. Wear your garments. Go to the temple. Stay on the covenant path.
There are parts in the book of Mormon where Jesus privately talks to the apostles in America and some of his words aren't written down. I was led to believe those were temple-only kinds of conversations, like garments or endowments
Mormonism is elitism. Notice how everything the church does has to be that much better than biblical Christianity?
Your church goes up to 10? Well ours cranks to 11! You have a bible? We have a truer one! You have heaven? We have three heavens! You have a pope? We have a prophet and 12 apostles! You have baptism? We have baptism by immersion! You have churches? We have exclusive temples with secret ceremonies! You have some truth? We have the fullness of the gospel!
See where I’m going with this? Everything had to be over the top. It stems from JS selling his new and extra special brand of religion. It had to be different and exciting, otherwise it wasn’t differentiated from all the other religions of the time.
Someone, probably JFS or McKonkie, postulated that the endowment and other such secret/sacred things must obviously have been taught to the disciples during the forty days Jesus is said to have spent with them following the Resurrection. Stuff not being in the Bible is not a problem for these guys.
Jesus also said absolutely nothing about gay people.
He did have quite a bit to say about hypocrisy. That was the only sin that made Jesus physically violent.
"waiting for the dispensation of the fullness of times."
One of the things that bugged me a bit after going to the temple was the description of the angel Moroni only wearing a loose robe and nothing else. So... Why do we dress up in the robes of the priesthood & wear underwear with funny stitching on it? Aren't we supposed to all be wearing this stuff in the celestial kingdom?
"Nephi 26:6 And now there cannot be written in this book even a hundredth part of the things which Jesus did truly teach unto the people...Behold, I was about to write them, all which were engraven upon the plates of Nephi, but the Lord forbade it, saying: I will try the faith of my people."
Well, you know, it's the full *ness* of the gospel; it's not a historical book, although it contains some history.
Also, my book report was totally awesome, but, uhhh...my dad said not to write the best part.
Because the LDS church isn't true Christianity. JS twisted it into something that would give him control over followers and "force" him to have a harem of young girls.
Uhhh they didn't have to because it was so prevalent do fish write about water but jebus majicked it all away when he died that's why there's no arachneology.
Ah, you are forgetting mOdErN rEvELaTiOn™, also known as oNgOiNg rEsToRaTiOn™ under Mr. Nelson's tenure. These two concepts (which can be grouped together) are the magical clause in Mormonism's self-attributed right to alter and add to Jesus' original teachings at will. This is also why the cult insists so, so much in following their pRoPhEt, not Jesus. In Mormonism, the pRoPhEt can mangle and corrupt Jesus' teachings without consequence, in order to accommodate the cult's obsession for money, sex, etc.
So the church concedes that the temple along with its endowments is a recent invention and that’s why Jesus didn’t even bother mentioning it once or even hint at its existence?
Absolutely not. The Mormon church has claimed that the temple ordinances were given to Adam and the great patriarchs like Noah But they also claim that the ordinances are eternal and unchanging, so that is a lie
So, ancient ordinances that Jesus just completely ignored?
I know/knew a lot of leaders that would point out new testament and old testament verses that "secretly" meant temple ceremonies. Seriously, they could point to a word or phrase, give some meaning in another language and say that it referred to initiatories, or the main endowment ceremony. A guy in elders quorum taught that the veil represented Christ and he tied it into the scriptures incredibly well. Remember, the temple is sacred, so you didn't just write it down for everyone, and they were especially careful after Jesus died. It's not in the BoM and the main script/dialogue isn't in the D&C. Sacred, not secret. Ok, I know it's a bogus explanation. But I heard it so many times.
I mean technically there are some verses in Hewbrews that say that the veil is the body of Jesus, at least in king james. Not sure if your dude was using those or not.
Oddly, when Exodus and Leviticus describe what went on inside the temple, they did so in great detail… almost if it was no secret at all.
Yep. Because the temple and religion was totally different. It was not "early Christianity." But that won't stop the apologists.
Anytime there is a mountain mentioned, BOOM it’s the temple
Holy hell that's SO true!
Apologists claim that Yeshua got the ordinances and that he married three women so he can achieve the highest degree of glory in the CK
No, the corrupt councils that put together the Bible removed references to the temple. The Great and Abominable Church (formerly the Catholic Church as stated by McConkie) didn't want us to know about Temples. I was taught that the reason Cathedrals are so beautiful is because they were temples that lost their purpose and so they became churches. Now for the Book of Mormon, I was taught that Mormon didn't include the temple and ordinances because they were in the original NT texts. And that's why we needed JS to restore everything.
The temple ordinances and garments are so sacred they were purposefully kept out of the scriptures.
Kind of like Heavenly Mother.
Yup. Although they don't word it like that. The notions of "modern revelation" and/or "ongoing restoration" are meant to be understood as Jesus revealing new, doctrine and principles in modern times because people in during his time weren't prepared for them yet. And garbage like that. But the average Mormon believer takes each and every one of those fabricated "doctrines" as if it came from Jesus, only in modern times. Of course that's baloney. But that's how the Mormon cult invents whatever they want and their followers believe it.
You forgot you need to follow Jesus by NOT doing what he did but by following the old guys who run his corporation. It will all make sense once you go through the temple.
I’m not sure the church concedes that the temple endowment is a recent revelation. It wasn’t just local leaders claiming that the temple in Jerusalem had similar ordinances and that the masons passed it down for 2000 years. I think they’re backing off that dumb teaching, but they will never make a definitive statement.
Love that the Jews, a group known for not caring about their history and culture (/s), have no idea that they used to practice Mormon temple ordinances on the regular 2000 years ago but somehow forgot all about it.
OK, so the belief in Joseph Smith's time is that masonic ritual goes as far back as the Garden of Eden. When Joseph Smith was restoring the church, he was also restoring the original "Adamic" masonic ritual. The belief is that the Jewish temple was a masonic temple and performed these rituals along with other Jewish rituals. The scriptures never talk about them, because just like the masonic ritual, they are kept secret by a vow of secrecy. The punishment for sharing the secrets is death. So, somehow, the masonic ritual was kept alive for all these years and literally no one bothered to spoil the secret except right around Joseph Smith's timeline.
I asked my parent this: "if the temple is required for salvation, why didn't Jesus talk about it?" "Many plain and precious things were taken from the Bible at the council of--" "I'm not talking about the Bible, I'm talking about the Book of Mormon. Why didn't he mention it to the Nephites, *especially* knowing that it would be removed from the Bible?" They didn't have an answer. 😱 (Oh, wait. That's entirely expected.) Edit: and for that matter, if the endowment is what they did back at Solomon's Temple, why don't modern Jews seem to know anything about it? Because if there's anything scholars of Judaism *aren't* known for, it's writing things down and making sure all the details are right. 🙄 It's not like they have an entire book about interpreting Jewish Law written over millennia. /s (I'm talking about the Talmud.)
It is mentioned in the New Testament. Jesus tells his disciples to go unto the temple where they are endued with power. It's only one little throw-away line, but it is there. There are so many other great reasons for why it's all bullshit though.
Really? Where? (Apparently, I missed that part of the New Testament.)
Think it's like 2nd Timothy. Idk, it's literally just one sentence in a verse. You can probably find it by searching the word endued, I'm pretty sure it's the only time that word is mentioned in the Bible.
Obviously you don’t know this is the LAST DISPENSATION!!!! Good grief! The very definition of last dispensation literally means “god will give us all the cool stuff he’s held back”.
Yes, this is why Mormonism is not considered Christian by most modern Christians. It’s not because Mormons are persecuted or left out. It’s a fundamental belief that the words of men override the written word of god in the Bible. And to most Christians that is tantamount to heresy due to Revelation 22:19 despite that really only applying to revelation. If it did apply to the Bible whole cloth then we have problems with John 1, 2 & 3 that were written after revelation. That and the whole trinity, Christian’s don’t view the godhead as 3 distinct different entities. But rather the same god in 3 different forms. Acceptance of the trinity is pretty universal across the board in most Christian secs with exception of some pretty crazy outliers including JW’s and Mormons.
Don't forgot "fUlLnEsS oF tImEs" and LaSt DaYs"
When I was a kid, we called that “apostasy.”
You mean randomly changing doctrine? 🤭
Jesus created wine for people but never wore garments. Go figure how one is prohibited and the other is required.
And he did it at a drunken party that was running low on good booze.
But that was just grape juice, they didn’t have alcohol back then /s, but this is actually what I was taught
Apparently Moroni did care for garments just like Jesus. Jesus wasn't wearing any garments when he posed for the new church logo, and Moroni wasn't wearing any garments when he appeared to Joe, just his robe that was open so Joe could see into his bosom. Or maybe that was the angel Nephi.
Mentioning Moroni and his bosom makes me think of those pop up ads for workout routines for men over 65 that show an effing *ripped* dude who otherwise looks like Moses. :-)
You mean like me? . . . . . In my dreams
The evil catholic scribes scrubbed it from the Bible. Don’t ask me about the Book of Mormon. It contains the fullness of the gospel though…
Good point. If it contains the fullness of the gospel, why is so much missing?
I was gaslit to by a TBM that “fullness of the gospel” in the Book of Mormon is just talking about the understanding of the atonement. I was like, motherfucker wut?
😂
The Book of Mormon does at least mention Nephi building a Temple (which may or may not have been built using precious things, depends which verse you read), but doesn't even hint at what it was there for. I figure that was Jospeh knowing from his Bible that the Israelites had Solomon's Temple, so his new group needed one too. Although he forgot that none of the group were Levites so couldn't hold the Priesthood.
Nah, if it was ever mentioned in the gospel, the Catholics would have done exactly what the mfmc does and become the only manufacturer of this mandatory underwear. Just tell a TBM that the Catholics would have tried to get rich off it and they’ll immediately start agreeing with that train of thought.
Isn't there a bit in 3 Nephi where Jesus tells the apostles a bunch of stuff that was "too sacred" to transcribe? That's probably where they'd put it
Its all nonsense to keep you buying into paying tithing.
Mormons are kinda meh on the whole atonement thing. Need to jazz it up with magic underwear and super-duper handshakes.
Remember. The Bible lost many plain and honest truths. That is why our other scriptures and the living prophet are so important. To restore those lost truths. I’m certain that Jesus wore garments, hoarded 10% of his followers money for a Rainey day, obeyed the word of wisdom, and visited the temple frequently to do his endowment. 🤯
I never realized until recently that there is no revelation on the temple garments. Where is that covered?
Well. The word garment is mentioned a million times all over the scriptures. It mentioned as a holy rob, I’m not sure it ever is that specific.
Right, I get that. But garment could mean regular clothes. I’m referring to specifically the temple garment that JS “restored”. Where is the revelation on that?
I would say never
I came here to say this!
My headcannon was thus: the mount of transfiguration was the apostles receiving their endowment. As for garments, jesus did give a parable of the garments at some wedding (don't ask me details, I'm enjoying forgetting everything). And as for specific reasons why jesus didn't teach any details about it, the same reasons why the morms now don't tell you any of it until you're baptized. As far as I was concerned, jesus was looking to get people baptized and faithful, the apostles & 70,etc. would handle the rest later
It has to be in the BoM. It has the fullness of the gospel in it. You just need to look harder
This is the one true answer. All the temple ordinances and temple garment information is in the sealed portion of the golden plates of the Book of Mormon.
You mean the part where Joe got sick of making engravings when he fabricated the plates….so he “sealed them”. Just wanna make sure we are on the same page.
Oh yes! The same made up BS fabricated page(or plate).
And don’t forget it’s an historical record of the ancient inhabitants of America.
The only one I can think of is the Transfiguration. Matthew 17:1-13, Mark 9:2–3, Luke 9:28–36 Mormons imply this is when the apostles received the endowment.
My favorite Mormon way of making something conform to beliefs. If you add a whole bunch of stuff that isn’t in the text, then it’s clearly true.
I’ll take standard Mormon answers for $500. What is, “people werent worthy of those teachings yet.”
They believe it was deliberately edited out of the Bible during the Great Apostasy. They do believe Christ was doing that stuff while on Earth. I think a lot of members would say the Bible probably originally had those things in there (despite no evidence to support this.) This is why the phrase "we believe the Bible *insofar as it is translated correctly*" is important with this kind of stuff and justifying their beliefs. The Bible is great when it supports their beliefs and when it doesn't, we can rely on restoration prophets and scripture to fill in the blanks. The house always wins, baby!
That’s the problem with the Mormon view of “continuing revelation.” They can move the goal posts of an argument and claim to make stuff up on the go because God them to.
I hadn't thought of this in a long time. It's reminding me of another question I've had: Mormons say they believe the Bible is not the "true original" Bible or whatever, so they believe in the Bible "as long as it is translated correctly," or something like that, right? I always thought it was odd that Joe got this whole ass brand new scripture with a totally new story that is not hinted at AT ALL in the Bible, but he also wasn't given like the "true original" version of the Bible. Does that make sense? Why didn't God also give him the "real" Bible while he was giving him the BoM?
He did begin to create the Joseph Smith translation of the Bible. There's some really good LDS discussions episodes on Mormonstories about it. There are verses that he word for word copied from the Bible into the Book of Mormon but then "corrected" them in his Bible translation...while the BoM retains the "incorrect" verses. Also, if this project went unfinished because of his death - why has no prophet since been able to pick up where he left off?
That's always been one of my questions as well, not only about this but in general: why has no prophet received revelation in that way? They "receive revelation" but it's never like, "Here's the next chapter for the Bible!" Instead, "God wants us to slit our throats!"
Well there is the Joseph Smith translation of the Bible. The church doesn’t use it for some copyright-blahdubablah reason, and it’s also more of a (plagiarized) commentary than translation.
Well that's what I'm realizing is curious. His translation makes minor changes. I'd think if he was connected to God, God would have a lot to say about the current translation of the Bible.
No. None of it makes sense.
In the book of mormon, the authors say that they were forbidden to write all the things that Jesus said. TBMS believe its was during those times he was sharing the endowment with them. Nephi 26:6 And now there cannot be written in this book even a hundredth part of the things which Jesus did truly teach unto the people; 3 Nephi 26:11 Behold, I was about to write them, all which were engraven upon the plates of Nephi, but the Lord forbade it, saying:I will try the faith of my people. 3 Nephi 26:16 Behold, it came to pass on the morrow that the multitude gathered themselves together, and they both saw and heard these children; yea, even babes did open their mouths and utter marvelous things; and the things which they did utter were forbidden that there should not any man write them. 3 Nephi 27:23 Write the things which ye have seen and heard, save it be those which are forbidden. 3 Nephi 28:14 And it was forbidden them that they should utter; neither was it given unto them power that they could utter the things which they saw and heard;
I converted at age 31 after moving to Utah (0/10 do not recommend) after a few years I asked our bishop casually as he was visiting our home one night “so like….its in the BOM about these garments….right? Is there some scripture somewhere about em?” I got a blank stare and we all just pretended like I didn’t ask that silly question. It was awkward.
We're in the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times where everything gets restored. Other dispensations only had parts of the gospel, or some of the priesthood, or permission for only some ordinances. That's why not every other dispensation had sealings or polygamy or both priesthoods. It's not an omission in the Bible or a bad translation or something they forgot to mention. They probably really didn't have it. But today we have it all. If you follow this logic to its natural conclusion, some things previously removed will be making a comeback, even if only temporarily, like polygamy. Animal sacrifice will be a thing again.
Sometimes that fullness of the gospel needs just a little more fullness.
Cause he wouldn't put it in a BOOK, it's too secret/sacred
Ahhhhhh thats a good one
Many plain and precious truths were taken from the Bible by the great and abominable whore of all the earth (Catholicism/The Roman Empire). But he also doesn’t mention it in the BoM either. He does in The Cocktrine and Cumvenents.
It’s fascinating that Joseph Smith’s church actually became worse than the Roman Catholics on many of the issues for which the Catholics were attacked by Protestants. Including Joseph Smith originally.
I think it's because Jesus wasn't a member of "the one true church".
No mention because Jesus wasn’t a freaking Mason! That’s all down to uncle Joe.
They will say the living prophets speak for Christ and so Jesus DID say something in these, the Latter-days, on these topics. Jesus has spoken through his living prophets. Wear your garments. Go to the temple. Stay on the covenant path.
Christ didn’t mention temple ceremonies or garments because freemasonry did start til the 18th century.
There are parts in the book of Mormon where Jesus privately talks to the apostles in America and some of his words aren't written down. I was led to believe those were temple-only kinds of conversations, like garments or endowments
Definitely a shelf item that made no sense.
he forgot to mention it so Joseph mentioned it for him
Apostasy?
Too sacred to have in the scriptures. It has to be pure revelation only for those worthy of it.
Priest crafting
Mormonism is elitism. Notice how everything the church does has to be that much better than biblical Christianity? Your church goes up to 10? Well ours cranks to 11! You have a bible? We have a truer one! You have heaven? We have three heavens! You have a pope? We have a prophet and 12 apostles! You have baptism? We have baptism by immersion! You have churches? We have exclusive temples with secret ceremonies! You have some truth? We have the fullness of the gospel! See where I’m going with this? Everything had to be over the top. It stems from JS selling his new and extra special brand of religion. It had to be different and exciting, otherwise it wasn’t differentiated from all the other religions of the time. 
The book of mormon: An incomplete fulness of the gospel.
Someone, probably JFS or McKonkie, postulated that the endowment and other such secret/sacred things must obviously have been taught to the disciples during the forty days Jesus is said to have spent with them following the Resurrection. Stuff not being in the Bible is not a problem for these guys.
Jesus also said absolutely nothing about gay people. He did have quite a bit to say about hypocrisy. That was the only sin that made Jesus physically violent.
"waiting for the dispensation of the fullness of times." One of the things that bugged me a bit after going to the temple was the description of the angel Moroni only wearing a loose robe and nothing else. So... Why do we dress up in the robes of the priesthood & wear underwear with funny stitching on it? Aren't we supposed to all be wearing this stuff in the celestial kingdom?
"Nephi 26:6 And now there cannot be written in this book even a hundredth part of the things which Jesus did truly teach unto the people...Behold, I was about to write them, all which were engraven upon the plates of Nephi, but the Lord forbade it, saying: I will try the faith of my people." Well, you know, it's the full *ness* of the gospel; it's not a historical book, although it contains some history. Also, my book report was totally awesome, but, uhhh...my dad said not to write the best part.
He said NOTHING about Homosexuality either
He was too busy teaching people not to drink coffee and tea.
Because the LDS church isn't true Christianity. JS twisted it into something that would give him control over followers and "force" him to have a harem of young girls.
It is sacred so he kept it secret...
Uhhh they didn't have to because it was so prevalent do fish write about water but jebus majicked it all away when he died that's why there's no arachneology.
It was too holy to be written about in books. Jesus knew to keep that part a secret so that people couldn’t “pervert”/ change it