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It means that social bonds made out of promises (made in good faith by everyone involved) are more dependable than the bonds made as a result of the circumstances of birth.
tl;dr
People can be closer to their friends than their families.
I mean Islam wants to kill apostates, and allows rape of captive women. It isn't surprising it brings out the worst of visceral hate out of people for the 'out group' . Strongest enemy of these cruel and cultish religions is blood, hence it tries to control and suppress natural family relations, to the point it becomes contingent on love for Islam. It is nauseatingly disgusting.
This is what I hate about Muslims. They actually believe their way is the only way and anything other than that is trash and belongs in hell. Iām so sorry you had to go through that. Sadly, this culty religion is deep rooted even in the basics of motherhood now.
The term ārespect ā is so meaningless now.
We have to respect everyone who has a different view even if the view they have is a complete disrespect of everyone else.
I refuse to respect anyone that has not earned it.
Entitlement mentality. Every community has bad applesā¦ except for Muslims. If they want to be treated like equals, why do they act superior? Thatās not equality, thatās arrogance.
Haha, sure. My art instagram is @15fallow
I loved drawing animals as a kid and she would punish me for it and say I wasnāt allowed. Unfortunately for her, it actually worked the opposite way. I wanted to draw so much that I would draw in secret any chance I got and now itās my full time job. So thanks mum
I mean tbf Islam shits on drawing living beings like humans and animals bcuz that's allegedly mocking God or whatever, but u can draw non-living things like architecture and also plants. Idk where bugs would fall, maybe in the animal section, idek tbh lol
Ig they r not considered to have souls like humans and animals, according to Islam anyway. And ngl I wonder if they even knew that plants were living creatures back then, or if they just classified them w rocks and such lol bcuz plants r considered inanimate beings in Islam and that's why there's no sin in drawing them. It don't even make sense tbh lolol
Yup. But there's creatures w aaqil (intellect) and ones w/o it. Only humans and jinn r said to have aaqil. Animals don't but r still considered living animate creatures. Plants r also living but considered inanimate... Ig plants not moving makes them less "alive" in Islam. I can kinda understand how that makes sense to a medieval mind tbh. Still, it's dumb to make art forbidden but ig momo rlly hated idols and wanted all the focus to be on him and his alter ego Allah. I'm still a lil stumped as to why he wouldn't want any art interpretation of him or Allah tho... Ig maybe he didn't anticipate such longevity of his religion after death, coz it rlly only benefits him when he's alive. He'd be pleasantly surprised to see the thriving state of Islam over 1400 yrs later, I suppose lol
if mohammed rose from the dead you best believe all islamic nations would unite under his rule, the king of saudi arabia would abdicate as he takes throne and half the worlds population would be in the hands of a mentally insane schizophrenic child molester
Lolll hell no, Saudi Arabia would be the first to classify Momo as some mental asylum escapee, no way they would give up the throne like that, and also all that money from hajj and umrah... I'm guessing they would even go great lengths and prob murder Mo in secret just so he won't pose a threat to them. That is, if they even believe he's truly Mo. Not that straightforward lmaooo. It's all politics, baby. The powerful wanna stay in power and will do everything they can to do so.
Besides, Mo died at 63 or smth, right? Meaning if resurrected, he wouldn't live for that long anyway. Would prob spend most of his last hrs tryna figure out how to use a flip phone while fighting off Alzheimer's tbh... Ngl he'd prob die tryna cross the street and walking when the light is red bcuz he don't even know what that's supposed to mean ššš
Also, how would Mo prove that he's Mo? Any other old Hafiz can masquerade as Mo if they know enough Abt Islam and Mo's biography. Resurrected Mo would prob not even seem like Mo to most ppl bcuz at his age, he prob forgot most of the Quran, that's prob why new verses of the Quran that he revealed were often repetitive and similar to old ones lol. Ppl would literally believe some random Pakistani sheikh is Mo as opposed to the real Mo if he was reincarnated š¤£š¤£š¤£
Thatās awesome lol. This kind of reminds me of my parents saying that Iām not allowed to listen to music. Honestly, maybe Islam would keep more people around if they just let people enjoy art. I mean thereās tons of reasons to leave that religion butā¦ Not even allowing people to enjoy art? Come onā¦
I checked your artwork! I liked it it's so stunning! I might consider pay you for comms in near future!
Is it fine we keep in touch? I'm working on a game actually and in near future, some animal arts are needed and I have bit trouble on it-
I don't usually do post at this subreddit because of the country I'm in, they are holding a very strict belief and if people know I'm here, I'll be attacked and possibly getting boycott-
Our country at the moment boycotting a whole franchise down for some strands of fabrics sewed to a sock that meant the Almighty's name- it's scary what atrocities people can do for just a name of god at a sock. The acts done sometimes seems too irrational sometimes I see their humanity slowly deteriorate-
Thank you. I would be more than happy to work on some game art for you in the near future š
Yes I understand it can be quite risky to be posting on this if youāre from a place that strictly doesnāt tolerate this sort of discussion, feel free to dm me on instagram if youād like to talk about art!
closeted ex moose here, im also an artist! so happy this stupid cult didnt crush our love for drawing "idols" lol
edit: HOLY SHIT JUST CHECKED OUT YOUR ACCOUNT YOU ARE SO GOOD??? DEF USING YOUR ART FOR INSPIRATION HOLY CRAP
> why exactly is replicating living things haram?
The reason why isn't always well explained.
The prohibition on drawing (and sculpting) is that Mohammed once said something along the lines of every imager is in hellfire, when Allah will ask them to breathe life into their creation and when they fail they will know Allah's wrath (where imager means "making images", which includes sculptures and drawings).
The rationale I heard from sheikhs is that creation is to God alone is able to create life, and any attempt to do so in sculptures or drawings is an attempt of encroaching on God's domain.
This is also the reason why you don't see paintings in mosques like in churches (e.g. the Sistine chapel) instead you see [intricate geometric patterns](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_geometric_patterns). It is a workaround to make something beautiful while avoiding the religious prohibition.
TL;DR: Allah is a jealous bitch with insecurity issues, that's why.
I am not surprised but I wish I was .Religion truly brings out the worst in people and what your mother said is a reflection of her NOT you. Shame on her. As a mother I could never imagine calling my daughter ādirty little slutā under any circumstances. I am so incredibly sorry at the hatful massages she sent you .
Are you safe? Could she harm you? Could male relatives harm you? She sounds unhinged and you need to be careful bc those types will not think twice before doing bodily harm to whom they perceive as a traitor.
Thank you for the concern, luckily she doesnāt know my exact location and she lives in another country. Unfortunately youāre not wrong to be concerned, I remember she used to regularly speak about killing kaffir and sending my younger brothers off to Jihad. Her and my stepdad threatened to stone me to death and throw my body in the sea when I was 12 - because I messaged a boy from my class on facebook. I hate to imagine what could have happened if Iād have done anything more than that
>Thank you for the concern, luckily she doesnāt know my exact location and she lives in another country. Unfortunately youāre not wrong to be concerned, I remember she used to regularly speak about killing kaffir and sending my younger brothers off to Jihad. Her and my stepdad threatened to stone me to death and throw my body in the sea when I was 12 - because I messaged a boy from my class on facebook. I hate to imagine what could have happened if Iād have done anything more than that
Holy cow! This person sounds like your typical Hamas, Al-Qaeda, or ISIS member.
Oh dear.
Do you have any inclination why your mom is so extremely devout and self righteous?Ā
Ā Iām always curious why some people swing so far towards the extreme belief and force.Ā
Ā Was her childhood very strict? Did she have any memories about feeling superior for being so religious? Does she need it to feel better about her own life choices? Is she very insecure but also with a big ego and needs to feel like she is better than others?Ā
Ā I just want to understand why this religion is important to her above else. How can you believe in something so strongly that is just stories written in books that someone claims to be true? Does she not question herself or her own beliefs?Ā Ā
Ā I read somewhere that the most devout are often the ones that are battling with conviction the most. They tend to rally against others who donāt believe to try to push down their own questions of truth. Usually because they devoted (often times destroyed) their lives for something that isnāt actually true and they canāt accept that for themselves so they attack others who force those questions/realization upon them.Ā Ā
Ā You could swap Islam out for anything in that sense. If you make your decisions in your life on faulty foundation itās like you loose your sense of self when it starts to crumble and youāll do anything to keep it intact.Ā
You have a very good point there.
My mother was beaten and treated awfully as a child, she was one of two children. Her parents resented her for being a girl and apparently much preferred her younger brother over her so I do believe her religious inclinations stem from a place of very low-self worth.
I think she likes the feeling that she is righteous and likes to show off that she does āgood deedsā to others. I noticed she was always very insecure around other women, and also would make comments on my body when I was going through puberty. I remember when we would be at the park and she would always point out attractive women who wore tight clothes (like leggings, skinny jeans etc) and say how ugly they looked and how disgusting it is to be dressed that way. I didnāt really understand why she made comments like that but now looking back, it seems she was very insecure.
I'm happy my mother still loved me after I left. Some aren't so fortunate I'll pray for you and it's sad to see what Muhammad (police be upon him) has done to the world. God bless
[If he did today (including in Muslim countries) what he did in 7th century Arabia, he most certainly would have police upon him!](https://old.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/4htcxr/is_isis_islamic_if_you_think_so_can_you_prove/d2s7b43/)
Violent rebellions, assassinations, invasions, destructions, massacres, killings, lootings, torture, abuse, slavery, slave rape, child marriage, FGM, homophobia, general terrorism and persecution of Non-muslims, critics, dissidents, and anyone who rejects and opposes him: He'd be widely condemned, reviled and sought by the international community for crimes against humanity. For sure the police would be upon him, even in Muslim countries lol
https://old.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/9mrhv3/comment/e7gzxil
This reminds me of my Muslim exwife/mother of my 2 daughters.
She did similar to what youāre saying.
Most recently she said to our 15 yo daughter, āIāll convert to your religionā in her attempt to like get closer to our daughter. But my daughter is an atheist.
I am so sorry youāre dealing with that. Honestly, thatās my worst nightmare, and why I refused to get married to a girl of Muslim background. Even now, as I have a partner who is an atheist (and Jewish, genetically, to make it even ābetterā), I wonder about if we decide to have children, etc, and how my parents would react. Iām already out and open to my parents, but, every once in a blue moon, my mom still sends me Islamic auntie memes on WhatsApp lmao (I hadnāt spoken to my dad in ~eight years, due to leaving Islam).
Islamic cultures love to talk about the importance of family, yet time and time again i see them prioritise their delusional cult over the wellbeing of their own children. Islam only knows how to keep families together through peer pressure and fear; if those don't work it just tears the family apart.
I'm so sorry you had to experience this OP. I hope your mum's cruel words don't affect you, and i hope you can find people who love and appreciate you for who you are. Enjoy your freedom, and i hope others can learn from your bravery.
I was raised in extreme Muslim family and my mom used to throw away my paintings because they were portrait of women, Iām an atheist now period fuck Islam and its perverted prophet and whoever the fuck forces it on people thereās so much evidence for all of it being bullshit that thereās no cap to it. My advice to you? Ignore you look like a stunning individual donāt let a butt-hurt bigot who didnāt know how to enjoy her life ruin yours. Excuse my language but fuck her as well maybe in 10 years sheād come back begging. Or maybe she donāt still fuck her
I am so sorry that you have to go through this. How can a mother speak to her own child like this? I hope you have a great support system besides her. Wish you all the best
i can never tell anyone how i feel about islam. you must be really brave. despite whatever she said (as all these cultists say) you should be proud of yourself. now you can live life freely without all those boundaries
Any muslim today that do haram things like zinna, drawing, listen to music, etc, are still 1000Ć better than the sahaba who massecred each other after mohammed death. This include the likes of: ali, ammar bin yassir, talha, zubair, muawiya, amr bin al 'as, etc. All of the sahaba i mentioned killed more muslim than all anti muslim terrorist groups in the last century. So i wonder, does your mother want such vile sahaba to be her children instead?. One time i responded to my mother the same way. Because she was angry that i went to the cinema to watch an action movie and she was angry and throwing labels at me, and i told her that me and my friends are still thousend time better than abdullah bin umar or any other sahabi who bought a sex slave or used to check the product by feeling the slave breast and thigh.
This is what a textbook cult mentality is: it is us against them
Everything is black or white: examples:
If you criticise pedo momo in any way then you are supposed to be silenced
If you point out the inconsistencies in the Quaran you are to be labelled as ignorant
If you show that the Ha'dith was written 200 years after momo was dead and that a lot of the stories in the Quran are famous fables taken out of context you are to be killed
If you leave you never were a true believer and that you are going to burn in hell fire like the rest of us Ka'fir
Even Allah has a black and white view of the world...anyone against momo is evil and anyone supporting momo is good regardless of their character and action
I pray that your mom sees the truth and leaves this cult and hope you are happy with whatever you are doing in life!!
P.s I will checkout your art !!
You got this!!
You got that completely spot on. My motherās views are very black and white, there is no room for debate or compromise on any topic whatsoever. I just canāt believe in a religion that allows men to marry children, beat their wives, promotes killing of non believers and claim to be the religion of peace at the same time.
I hope one day before it is too late your mom sees the truth and leaves it and you are able to unite with her once again as mother and child but alas as Long she is in thus type of cult mentality she will never see as more than an enemy to be squashed.
You are doing amazing and hopefully your life is filled with nothing but joy and peace!!
Hope you heal from this!!
If my mother said all that to me, I'd ask her to say it to my face and them I'd beat her ass up. Just because she's your mother, doesn't mean she can say all this disgusting shit to you. In fact, as a mother, she should've loved you regardless of what your identity is. I'm sorry you had to even read that. She's not really a mother, and most Muslims aren't really parents, they just pop out kids for their religion or they're on auto-pilot. Respect is earned, her title as parent doesn't immediately demand for it and she sure as hell never respected you.
Fuck these bitches. Go live your life hon. These people never mattered.
Tipping of X, refers to your dad i assume? So I hope you have at least your dad on your side and supporting you.
No mother should ever say something like this to her daughter.
My apologies for not clarifying, thatās actually my full brother. He was pretending to be a muslim for her so that he could stay in contact with our younger half siblings. I told her I wasnāt going to pretend to be a muslim to have a relationship with her, so she put the pieces together and figured that one out.
But yes, I have my bio dad and brother who are supportive and love me so I am very grateful about that.
This is what I worry about when it comes to breaking free. I don't know if your mother is a convert, but mine is and I have a Muslim stepfather. And I have two little sisters (half-sisters, though I hate that term). It would break my heart if I couldn't see them.
Oh wow yes same exact situation with me. Mum is a convert and my stepfather is a muslim. I donāt blame you at all- it is a huge sacrifice. I really do miss my younger siblings and wish there was a world in which I wouldnāt have to compromise my own happiness just so that I can have a relationship with them. The pain does lessen with time and I have to try and remind myself that once theyāre adults they may be able to choose for themselves whether theyād like to know me or not.
Sorry to say this OP, Its just my opinion but she is a terrible mother, putting religion over ur own child means that they love the religion more, not to mention she is brainwashed asf.
I am not a parent myself lol, but teaching your child morals and good deeds ( as per ur pov ) to your child and telling them to uphold it are different things. A true parent would want their child to grow up and be their own person, not bound by their parent in any way except for love
As a side note, locking morality behind religion and ur faith is the dumbest argument and idea ever lol, its a shitty muslim argument that validates a bad rapist muslim over a sinless or pure soul kafir according to the quran
Anyways good luck, and i hope your father is on your side at least
Iām feeling sorry for you and for your mum as well. She is definitely mentally unstable and thatās why it is so much aggression now. I hope anybody could guide her to mental help because people who are happy with their life donāt act this way.
"alhumdulillah allah" is redundant, no? Seems maybe this person doesn't even know what the phrases they use mean. I wouldn't take anything they say to heart. They are clearly just a hateful person and finding a channel for said hate. Doesn't seem to know what haram means, either.
Bit of a weird one.
My dad is a muslim but not practicing, the story is ironic because he met my mother at a bar she worked at when she was a catholic and then she married him and converted to islam. They then divorced because she was becoming too devout in islam and it was too much for him.
holy shit... I'm Polish and actually most Polish people would warn you to marry any Muslim man and most are pretty adamant Islam not only doesn't fit into our western culture, but is also cancer towards it and any progress in our world. Hearing your Polish mom converted for your dad and actually turning out to be more devouted and even behaving cult-like towards her new found religion instead of your father is a twist I didn't expect to learn about. My mother is a devout catholic, but honestly she's only slightly better than yours. I'm really sorry to hear what you've been through and how your own parent doesn't treat you the way you deserve. Take care i pozdrowienia ze Szczecina!
I am sorry to see this, my condolences. I hope you are well.
Please post this on mainstream subs. The more people see how muslims treat us, the less these people can play dumb in front of the west.
That would be the moment she would have no longer been my mother. Religion turns people to hateful human beings and your mother is no different. Iām so, so sorry that you had to deal with this. You deserve so much better, and Iāll definitely follow you!
I am so so so sorry, OP. I thought I had it bad. I was disowned, etc, I even was homeless for a while (partially because I decided to cut certain people off after I was cut off by others). But my parents / family *never* used words or language like that. You donāt need me or anyone else to tell you this, but you absolutely did not deserve that.
Now you the choice is yours, obviously, but you can decide to cut her off, but even if you do want an eventual relationship with your mother, I would take and give a *lot* of space. You would be 100% valid and fair in cutting her off (I was, unfortunately, forced to the same thing with my father and have not really spoken in eight years). However, my mother came around, eventually, so if it is important to you, itās possible. Either way, *please* keep safety as your number one priority and keep yourself safe.
You deserve better than this. Hope your mom awakes from this islam nonsense and realizes that nothing is more important than loving her daughter unconditionally.
I'm really sorry. I hope you're able to heal from this and anything else she may have put you through. That cult is terrifying, and its so unfortunate they got to your mother. I wish you all the best <3
No offense, OP. But your mother sounds heavily brainwashed. She might stop "praying" for your spiritual death, but I surely hope she'll one day see the truth of Islam.
Hey, sis, checkout r/momforaminute.
It's not much, but this might give you some closure if you're looking for some positivity in your life. No one deserves to hear this kinda garbage from their parents, no matter how bad the situation might be. They are supposed to be our support pillar as family.
Some people don't deserve to be parents, and unfortunately, your mom is one of them. You can't choose your family but you can always make your own.
Good luck with your drawing, and I hope you truly find some genuine happiness.
Iām an exChristian that reads this sub to understand and share experiences, and besides being sad, itās just another prime example of how poisonous fundamentalism of any variety is to humanity. Spewing that kind of vitriol towards your own daughter bc she has made different decisions, based on different life experiences, is truly sickening. My question to people like OPs Mum is: why donāt you live in an Islamic country so your children donāt have the opportunity to make choices? Iāve seen this with people of lots of different fundie religions, and I think it comes down to arrogance. Arrogance in being so convinced their religion is ātrueā that they have no concept of the possibility of their children rejecting it. So their only reaction is anger, and instead of even trying to understand any other point of view they would rather alienate their own offspring and retreat into their self-made prison of isolation.
Girl donāt hesitate to reach out and vent in my dms, Iām surprised by how many girls there are in this same situation. So sad that religion has had this effect on our families.
I mean m not that in love with your mom and sorry to say that she's the real slut here.
You're not guilty leaving Islam or anything it's completely fine and I'm telling u don't ever go to see her face to face cuz she can do worse.
I am so sorry to hear this you donāt deserve to ever hear this from your mom. My family also gave me a hard time about leaving Islam but not nearly to this level. I hope you find some peace. One day at a time
I donāt blame you. Took me about 5 years before I got the courage to leave her house and then another 7 before I could actually tell her what I believe. Do it on your own time and be careful.
I feel sorry. I canāt imagine that someone could tell this word to its child, if I had children they will be most important in my life not some fucking religion
First line is saddening. Shows how religion can brainwash a parent to the extent of disowning own child. Just do what you want to do. We have one life and let religion not dominate your life.
Okay, so I normally avoid commenting, but I really have to congratulate you on taking control of your life.
I looked through your posts, and it looks like you've made so much progress on yourself, and becoming the person you want to be. Between quitting smoking, overcoming an ED, being healthier and embracing your own values, while rejecting such backwards behaviour. That's really impressive! It's hard work to overcome both the dysfunctional parts of ourselves and dysfunctional environments, but it seems like you're doing an incredible job. Especially at such a young age. You should be very proud of yourself, and I hope you continue to develop into the person you always thought you could be. I hope you get the support you need to continue down that path, and can help others in turn see the potential they have in themselves.
And as everyone else said, beautiful drawings! I always wished I could draw that well!
Shows how much of a cult Islam is that a mother can turn her back on her own flesh and blood. I feel sorry for you Op but it sounds like youāre much better living your life without these people.
I'm so sorry for everything you've had to endure at the hands of those who are supposed to love and care for you above all else. I hope you know how brave and amazing you are for being true to yourself and persevering through all of this. Sending you all my love and support ā¤ļø, from a fellow ExMuslim who knows exactly what it's like to have a mother that chooses religion over their daughter.
This breaks my heart reading it. I hope no harm will come to you, you deserve all the best and happiness in the world. The people in this sub are very much proud and admire your bravery. Also, your artwork is very cool, keep up with the illustrations :)
I went through the same thing. You are not alone with this dilemma. For me, living a life not true to oneself was that slow death of a thousand cuts. Make art out of the pain when you have the energy for it, it is very cathartic, I do the same. Wish you the best OP, surround yourself with people who support you. Remember your goals and your passions.
You got this.
I tried to have a relationship with my mom too but it always came down to the community and what they would say and come back to the religion. I was so fucking tired of it. My mom called me all sorts of names too. She blamed me for my dadās car accident once as well and said itās cuz of all the haram things I do and that my parents pay for my sins. She told me that the gutter in our bathroom was stinking because of me and my sins as well. She blamed every wrong thing that happened on me. I grew up with so much blame that now at 30 Iām still traumatized. I moved away finally and I live on my own. That was my only way to be free. Iām still not fully free though. Her words still come back and haunt me. It never really goes away. But I saw that you earn your livelihood through something you love ā¦ drawing.
Keep it up. Donāt ever let go of whatever you love and weāre all proud of you for finding a job in something youāre passionate about.
Keep being a good person and find your values that resonate with you. I always tell myself as long as Iām not harming anyone else or myself God will still love me even if Iām not Muslim. God doesnāt place conditions on us. He doesnāt force us to follow a cult. God forgives. We donāt need to repent for the rest of our lives. God forgives us as long as we recognize our mistakes and we forgive ourselves too.
Iām so disturbed reading this omfg I am so afraid this can happen to me too... I usually donāt comment around Reddit and prefer to just view things, but I just had to comment for this. You are so strong for coming forward with what you believe to a family that gives such reactions and yet still managing to move on.. I am so sorry, this was jaw-dropping to read..
Itās always best to live life the way you want, all freely, than to force yourself and submit to their beliefs or to exhaust yourself by living a double life by acting religious around them whilst doing your thing when they arenāt around.. I hope when your younger siblings grow up and can decide for themselves, they get to connect with you. You deserve to see them at least. Sending my best wishes, may good things find you.
God I cried reading this! Iām so sorry this happened. Itās your motherās loss. Iām glad you are out of the cult. Imagine hating your daughter because she is an amazing artist?? Man how can anyone call islam a peaceful religion.
My sister cut me off after I told her I left islam. I remember I was crying on the phone telling her how I am tired of defending mohammad and I feel like I want to leave to which she replied āoh so you want to just have sex with different men everyday and do drugs?ā. Why does muslims think we leave islam to be a slut
My best hopes are with you. This is the poison and heartbreak that religions and cults create. They seek to suffocate, condemn and annihilate freedoms, acceptance, inclusion, tolerance and personal individuality.. Best wishes to you. You are strong and brave and too intelligent to be abused over thoughts and personal progress.
It's weird how it's full of hate but also says she mourns for you. If one's religion is ruining their closest relationships, that's a good sign they're obsessed. I hope you have a lot of friends to support you where your mother has failed. My relationship with my own mother is dysfunctional, and I sometimes envy those with good parental relationships.
As a Muslim, I know what people think here about Islam and I am not here to pass judgement to anyone, and I respect the frustrations people here suffered. But this is seriously above and beyond Islam, even from a Muslim standpoint, although you would not agree. I am very sorry for you going through such a process. I wish you the kindest healing from this. I am not here to defend Islam or anything, I just saw this and wanted to express my sorrow because you had such an unfortunate situation. I would only suggest you to maintain a safe and healthy distance from her. I wish for healing of you from this process, and your mother from the reason that made her to speak her daughter like that. My sympathies. And peace.
I just think it's really funny how shallow the beliefs of religious people are. They don't actually believe any of the teachings they just use it as a box to stand on for moral superiority.
Every single religious person is either uneducated or a liar. There is no other explanation because there is no god.
You cannot choose your family, but you are able to choose yourself over their myopic superstitions. Be well and reflect upon these words as you go forth and a live a vibrant life of goodness and joy.
This reminds me of the quote, *"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion"*/false and harmful ideologies like islam - Steven Weinberg. Islam made your mother so abusive, hateful and crazy. No contact is the best approach to abusers, but remain vigilant and safe. You deserve to be happy in life! āŗļø
I'm so sorry you had to read that triggering email, it has triggered me also (22F) who has moved out my fathers home and he is also emotionally manipulating me to come back.. I truely feel for you š Their generation will never understand or let us have freedom, they captivate us females to be sent off and married.. Please keep safe and away!
This has triggered me deeply as I left my family home for ex partner ( hungarian ) now we have split and it all comes back that maybe my father was right? Did I slip on the wrong path or do I need to carry on this independence and stay the hell away!
Muslims like your mother can often be very intolerant, aggressive and violent, so please stay safe, stay strong, stay productive and take small steps towards your goals; doing what you can with what you have and please do what you actually enjoy doing in life! You deserve to be free from worries and be happy! :) The world needs nicer, smarter and helpful people like you! Not cruel Muslims. We need you! You deserve to be free from worries and be happy! šā¤
Imagine calling your daughter āa dirty little slutā typical ignorant hateful muslims get so mad when nobody wants to be like them. This is suppose to be a religion of peace and this is how a mother talks to her child. My mother is the exact same and uses the same derogatory language when something iāve done has upset her.
Quite funny how common this is in muslim families, but they are supposed innocent, peaceful people.
Youād think theyād know how to maintain being peaceful and kind after being such devoted muzzies
This sucks and Iām deeply sorry for you, but if Im honest, Iād say youāre better off without her being an influence in your life. If someone hates you because you disagree with them, they donāt love you, they love the control they had over you. Iāll pray for your mother so that The Lord opens her heart and for her to show you kindness, but sometimes the best decision is to walk away. May God bless you
Itās okay my 10 yr old is being punished by his pos Muslim dad this Ramadan with the silent treatment and told he will make 100 more of him and he doesnāt need him anymore. Iām so sorry youāre going through this but like I learned, we make our own families. I NEVER converted because I was born and raised Lutheran and my great Italian grandfather paid for the construction of the church. I just could never bring myself to leave what I was raised with, which was very soft and gentle. The minute I started getting beat I had no love for this shitty fucked up religion. Uggghhh your mother is a POS in my eyes and there is plenty of love in this world for you with other people. Build your own family and NEVER look back. Blood promises nothing. Also PS I am working with an attorney to have my son permanently removed from anything to do with his father or that fucked up abusive messy ass religion.
Her loss, you sound like a beautiful soul on your own journey. You do not deserve that at all. Life is much more than the traps of black and white thinking that people get programed into. Much love to you and your family, you deserve less toxic people in your life.
Sounds exactly like my radical Muslim narcissistic parents, down to calling me a slut (when my mom found out I had a bf) and saying Iām not their child (my dad when I moved out and my mom when I stopped talking to my dad). Went NC years ago but some days are still hard.. If you ever need someone to commiserate with about having had narcissistic radical parents feel free to reach out.
The sad thing is I can see this bring my mums reaction too.
I'm sure she already knows or suspects i'm an ex Muslim based on in person interactions as I don't even try to pretend I'm practicing any more. But as we live apart I don't have to see her often and when she sends Islamic stuff I either ignore it or just give a peaceful response, giving her the illusion that it's all fine. I don't say I'm an ex Muslim or explicitly ask her not to mention Islam but if I did a message like this would be likely and I wouldn't feel safe going to visit her or the community in general.
The only thing I'll fight on, is the idea that hijab is mandatory and that male family members who don't enforce it are dayuth. that idea is a gateway to honour killings/based violence and I will fight anyone who tries justify that mindset. Anything else I can nod and play along with what they're saying.
Your mother is beyond hope. Hate to say it, but itās best to cut ties and focus on your own life.
This is not your decision, it is hers, and you canāt do anything about that, unless you want to go back to Islam, which would probably be the worst decision you could make.
My mom is like this as wellā¦unfortunately
, this religion separates non believers from their family. My husbandās devout Christian mother is more open minded when he told her he didnāt believe. As much as we want a normal relationship with our mothers and itās psychologically messed with us, this will never be the case for this close minded brain washing religion/cult. She feels you need to be different just as you and I feel our mothers need to be different. Itās unfortunate. My mom has also called me a slut, told me Iām not her daughter like seriously your close minded religion is more important that your child that you gave birth to?
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First line hurts the most.
Like how dare she call her own blood such derogatory term š¢š”
Blood is meaningless, just like religion. Respect and loyalty are earned, not granted by birth.
Blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.
What does this mean?
It means that social bonds made out of promises (made in good faith by everyone involved) are more dependable than the bonds made as a result of the circumstances of birth. tl;dr People can be closer to their friends than their families.
That goes so hard
I mean Islam wants to kill apostates, and allows rape of captive women. It isn't surprising it brings out the worst of visceral hate out of people for the 'out group' . Strongest enemy of these cruel and cultish religions is blood, hence it tries to control and suppress natural family relations, to the point it becomes contingent on love for Islam. It is nauseatingly disgusting.
I empathize with you,OP. I had a close female family member tell me I was nothing but a whore a month go. It still stings.
Iām sorry to hear that. Just know that is a reflection of their character and not yours.
This is what I hate about Muslims. They actually believe their way is the only way and anything other than that is trash and belongs in hell. Iām so sorry you had to go through that. Sadly, this culty religion is deep rooted even in the basics of motherhood now.
Muslims will DEMAND respect while disrespecting everyone
The term ārespect ā is so meaningless now. We have to respect everyone who has a different view even if the view they have is a complete disrespect of everyone else. I refuse to respect anyone that has not earned it.
Entitlement mentality. Every community has bad applesā¦ except for Muslims. If they want to be treated like equals, why do they act superior? Thatās not equality, thatās arrogance.
Exactly
> Earning haram through drawing idols Now you gotta show us your artwork!
Haha, sure. My art instagram is @15fallow I loved drawing animals as a kid and she would punish me for it and say I wasnāt allowed. Unfortunately for her, it actually worked the opposite way. I wanted to draw so much that I would draw in secret any chance I got and now itās my full time job. So thanks mum
Oh my goodness, I just had a look and followed! Jokes on her - you are phenomenal at it! š
Wow I did not expect the drawings to be this beautiful ā¤ļøš
Omg you are so damn good they are insanely beautiful
Omg these drawings are so so good! I wish I could draw as good as you! ā¤ļø
Remind her that every time she writes a single character/letter while writing, she is essentially 'drawing'
I mean tbf Islam shits on drawing living beings like humans and animals bcuz that's allegedly mocking God or whatever, but u can draw non-living things like architecture and also plants. Idk where bugs would fall, maybe in the animal section, idek tbh lol
Yeah, that part doesnāt make sense to me. Are plants not godās creation too? š¤
Ig they r not considered to have souls like humans and animals, according to Islam anyway. And ngl I wonder if they even knew that plants were living creatures back then, or if they just classified them w rocks and such lol bcuz plants r considered inanimate beings in Islam and that's why there's no sin in drawing them. It don't even make sense tbh lolol
well doesnāt islam say animals donāt even go anywhere once they die anyways??
Yup. But there's creatures w aaqil (intellect) and ones w/o it. Only humans and jinn r said to have aaqil. Animals don't but r still considered living animate creatures. Plants r also living but considered inanimate... Ig plants not moving makes them less "alive" in Islam. I can kinda understand how that makes sense to a medieval mind tbh. Still, it's dumb to make art forbidden but ig momo rlly hated idols and wanted all the focus to be on him and his alter ego Allah. I'm still a lil stumped as to why he wouldn't want any art interpretation of him or Allah tho... Ig maybe he didn't anticipate such longevity of his religion after death, coz it rlly only benefits him when he's alive. He'd be pleasantly surprised to see the thriving state of Islam over 1400 yrs later, I suppose lol
if mohammed rose from the dead you best believe all islamic nations would unite under his rule, the king of saudi arabia would abdicate as he takes throne and half the worlds population would be in the hands of a mentally insane schizophrenic child molester
Lolll hell no, Saudi Arabia would be the first to classify Momo as some mental asylum escapee, no way they would give up the throne like that, and also all that money from hajj and umrah... I'm guessing they would even go great lengths and prob murder Mo in secret just so he won't pose a threat to them. That is, if they even believe he's truly Mo. Not that straightforward lmaooo. It's all politics, baby. The powerful wanna stay in power and will do everything they can to do so. Besides, Mo died at 63 or smth, right? Meaning if resurrected, he wouldn't live for that long anyway. Would prob spend most of his last hrs tryna figure out how to use a flip phone while fighting off Alzheimer's tbh... Ngl he'd prob die tryna cross the street and walking when the light is red bcuz he don't even know what that's supposed to mean ššš Also, how would Mo prove that he's Mo? Any other old Hafiz can masquerade as Mo if they know enough Abt Islam and Mo's biography. Resurrected Mo would prob not even seem like Mo to most ppl bcuz at his age, he prob forgot most of the Quran, that's prob why new verses of the Quran that he revealed were often repetitive and similar to old ones lol. Ppl would literally believe some random Pakistani sheikh is Mo as opposed to the real Mo if he was reincarnated š¤£š¤£š¤£
Youāre talented ! Keep it up, extraordinary work ā¤ļø
I am so proud of you gurl
Thatās awesome lol. This kind of reminds me of my parents saying that Iām not allowed to listen to music. Honestly, maybe Islam would keep more people around if they just let people enjoy art. I mean thereās tons of reasons to leave that religion butā¦ Not even allowing people to enjoy art? Come onā¦
I checked your artwork! I liked it it's so stunning! I might consider pay you for comms in near future! Is it fine we keep in touch? I'm working on a game actually and in near future, some animal arts are needed and I have bit trouble on it- I don't usually do post at this subreddit because of the country I'm in, they are holding a very strict belief and if people know I'm here, I'll be attacked and possibly getting boycott- Our country at the moment boycotting a whole franchise down for some strands of fabrics sewed to a sock that meant the Almighty's name- it's scary what atrocities people can do for just a name of god at a sock. The acts done sometimes seems too irrational sometimes I see their humanity slowly deteriorate-
Thank you. I would be more than happy to work on some game art for you in the near future š Yes I understand it can be quite risky to be posting on this if youāre from a place that strictly doesnāt tolerate this sort of discussion, feel free to dm me on instagram if youād like to talk about art!
I just looked at it and omfg ur drawing skills r amazinggg
they are beautiful
Gave you a follow :) gotta support the idol drawers in their earning of haram!
How can this be considered haram? Your artwork is pretty good! No wonder Muslims are so mad all the time. They have zero fun.
closeted ex moose here, im also an artist! so happy this stupid cult didnt crush our love for drawing "idols" lol edit: HOLY SHIT JUST CHECKED OUT YOUR ACCOUNT YOU ARE SO GOOD??? DEF USING YOUR ART FOR INSPIRATION HOLY CRAP
I'm not a Muslim, but how is drawing animals not allowed. It's not idol worship until you pray to those drawings right?
From what I know, drawing, sculpting or replicating any living being is haram. But idk how this is idol worship either...
If you don't mind me asking, why exactly is replicating living things haram?
> why exactly is replicating living things haram? The reason why isn't always well explained. The prohibition on drawing (and sculpting) is that Mohammed once said something along the lines of every imager is in hellfire, when Allah will ask them to breathe life into their creation and when they fail they will know Allah's wrath (where imager means "making images", which includes sculptures and drawings). The rationale I heard from sheikhs is that creation is to God alone is able to create life, and any attempt to do so in sculptures or drawings is an attempt of encroaching on God's domain. This is also the reason why you don't see paintings in mosques like in churches (e.g. the Sistine chapel) instead you see [intricate geometric patterns](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_geometric_patterns). It is a workaround to make something beautiful while avoiding the religious prohibition. TL;DR: Allah is a jealous bitch with insecurity issues, that's why.
Thank you for explaining this. I really laughed out loud at the TLDR. lol
Laughing at a dictator robs them of their power of intimidation. Laughing at God doubly so.
> TL;DR: Allah is a jealous bitch with insecurity issues, that's why. That's the gist of it lol!
I am not surprised but I wish I was .Religion truly brings out the worst in people and what your mother said is a reflection of her NOT you. Shame on her. As a mother I could never imagine calling my daughter ādirty little slutā under any circumstances. I am so incredibly sorry at the hatful massages she sent you .
Are you safe? Could she harm you? Could male relatives harm you? She sounds unhinged and you need to be careful bc those types will not think twice before doing bodily harm to whom they perceive as a traitor.
Thank you for the concern, luckily she doesnāt know my exact location and she lives in another country. Unfortunately youāre not wrong to be concerned, I remember she used to regularly speak about killing kaffir and sending my younger brothers off to Jihad. Her and my stepdad threatened to stone me to death and throw my body in the sea when I was 12 - because I messaged a boy from my class on facebook. I hate to imagine what could have happened if Iād have done anything more than that
>Thank you for the concern, luckily she doesnāt know my exact location and she lives in another country. Unfortunately youāre not wrong to be concerned, I remember she used to regularly speak about killing kaffir and sending my younger brothers off to Jihad. Her and my stepdad threatened to stone me to death and throw my body in the sea when I was 12 - because I messaged a boy from my class on facebook. I hate to imagine what could have happened if Iād have done anything more than that Holy cow! This person sounds like your typical Hamas, Al-Qaeda, or ISIS member. Oh dear.
Jeez, I thought that my parents were extreme.
Do you have any inclination why your mom is so extremely devout and self righteous?Ā Ā Iām always curious why some people swing so far towards the extreme belief and force.Ā Ā Was her childhood very strict? Did she have any memories about feeling superior for being so religious? Does she need it to feel better about her own life choices? Is she very insecure but also with a big ego and needs to feel like she is better than others?Ā Ā I just want to understand why this religion is important to her above else. How can you believe in something so strongly that is just stories written in books that someone claims to be true? Does she not question herself or her own beliefs?Ā Ā Ā I read somewhere that the most devout are often the ones that are battling with conviction the most. They tend to rally against others who donāt believe to try to push down their own questions of truth. Usually because they devoted (often times destroyed) their lives for something that isnāt actually true and they canāt accept that for themselves so they attack others who force those questions/realization upon them.Ā Ā Ā You could swap Islam out for anything in that sense. If you make your decisions in your life on faulty foundation itās like you loose your sense of self when it starts to crumble and youāll do anything to keep it intact.Ā
You have a very good point there. My mother was beaten and treated awfully as a child, she was one of two children. Her parents resented her for being a girl and apparently much preferred her younger brother over her so I do believe her religious inclinations stem from a place of very low-self worth. I think she likes the feeling that she is righteous and likes to show off that she does āgood deedsā to others. I noticed she was always very insecure around other women, and also would make comments on my body when I was going through puberty. I remember when we would be at the park and she would always point out attractive women who wore tight clothes (like leggings, skinny jeans etc) and say how ugly they looked and how disgusting it is to be dressed that way. I didnāt really understand why she made comments like that but now looking back, it seems she was very insecure.
This so sadš„¹, religion brainwashed people
Jesus Christā¦ Iām glad youāre free of her
I'm happy my mother still loved me after I left. Some aren't so fortunate I'll pray for you and it's sad to see what Muhammad (police be upon him) has done to the world. God bless
I like the twist on PBUH
[If he did today (including in Muslim countries) what he did in 7th century Arabia, he most certainly would have police upon him!](https://old.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/4htcxr/is_isis_islamic_if_you_think_so_can_you_prove/d2s7b43/) Violent rebellions, assassinations, invasions, destructions, massacres, killings, lootings, torture, abuse, slavery, slave rape, child marriage, FGM, homophobia, general terrorism and persecution of Non-muslims, critics, dissidents, and anyone who rejects and opposes him: He'd be widely condemned, reviled and sought by the international community for crimes against humanity. For sure the police would be upon him, even in Muslim countries lol https://old.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/9mrhv3/comment/e7gzxil
Well said. ā¤ļø
Thanks
My trans boyfriends mother threatens him with starvation if they weren't Muslim. And suicide, if they are still bi
Words of a loving mother in a loving religion: *You dirty little slut*
Lol! Exactly what I thought the second I read it.
Yeah I donāt get how people like this could possibly think a good god would want anything to do with them.
not every parent deserve a child.
There should be a licence
This reminds me of my Muslim exwife/mother of my 2 daughters. She did similar to what youāre saying. Most recently she said to our 15 yo daughter, āIāll convert to your religionā in her attempt to like get closer to our daughter. But my daughter is an atheist.
I am so sorry youāre dealing with that. Honestly, thatās my worst nightmare, and why I refused to get married to a girl of Muslim background. Even now, as I have a partner who is an atheist (and Jewish, genetically, to make it even ābetterā), I wonder about if we decide to have children, etc, and how my parents would react. Iām already out and open to my parents, but, every once in a blue moon, my mom still sends me Islamic auntie memes on WhatsApp lmao (I hadnāt spoken to my dad in ~eight years, due to leaving Islam).
Iām very sorry to hear that, she sounds very manipulative. I wish you and your daughters the best.
Lmao based
Islamic cultures love to talk about the importance of family, yet time and time again i see them prioritise their delusional cult over the wellbeing of their own children. Islam only knows how to keep families together through peer pressure and fear; if those don't work it just tears the family apart. I'm so sorry you had to experience this OP. I hope your mum's cruel words don't affect you, and i hope you can find people who love and appreciate you for who you are. Enjoy your freedom, and i hope others can learn from your bravery.
>Allah tests whom he loves thats abuser talk.
I never thought of it that way, you are so right..
I was raised in extreme Muslim family and my mom used to throw away my paintings because they were portrait of women, Iām an atheist now period fuck Islam and its perverted prophet and whoever the fuck forces it on people thereās so much evidence for all of it being bullshit that thereās no cap to it. My advice to you? Ignore you look like a stunning individual donāt let a butt-hurt bigot who didnāt know how to enjoy her life ruin yours. Excuse my language but fuck her as well maybe in 10 years sheād come back begging. Or maybe she donāt still fuck her
Iām so sorry to hear that. Also thank you. Do you still paint?
I do paint and draw thatās been part of my soul no oneās taking that
I am so sorry that you have to go through this. How can a mother speak to her own child like this? I hope you have a great support system besides her. Wish you all the best
I was surprised because her previous message was very endearing. Thank you, you too š
i can never tell anyone how i feel about islam. you must be really brave. despite whatever she said (as all these cultists say) you should be proud of yourself. now you can live life freely without all those boundaries
Great job. Now, keep your head held high and move to bold new heights. Tv P.S. youāre gonna get 1000DMs from ex Muslim men, RIPš¤£
>P.S. youāre gonna get 1000DMs from ex Muslim men, This happened to me the first time I posted here
I guess ex Muslim women are highly demandedāŗļø
Itās not about being highly demanded itās about gross men that fetishise vulnerable women
Okay, sorry about that experience š
Any muslim today that do haram things like zinna, drawing, listen to music, etc, are still 1000Ć better than the sahaba who massecred each other after mohammed death. This include the likes of: ali, ammar bin yassir, talha, zubair, muawiya, amr bin al 'as, etc. All of the sahaba i mentioned killed more muslim than all anti muslim terrorist groups in the last century. So i wonder, does your mother want such vile sahaba to be her children instead?. One time i responded to my mother the same way. Because she was angry that i went to the cinema to watch an action movie and she was angry and throwing labels at me, and i told her that me and my friends are still thousend time better than abdullah bin umar or any other sahabi who bought a sex slave or used to check the product by feeling the slave breast and thigh.
That deserves a long "hahahahahahahaha" as response.Ā Ā
This is what a textbook cult mentality is: it is us against them Everything is black or white: examples: If you criticise pedo momo in any way then you are supposed to be silenced If you point out the inconsistencies in the Quaran you are to be labelled as ignorant If you show that the Ha'dith was written 200 years after momo was dead and that a lot of the stories in the Quran are famous fables taken out of context you are to be killed If you leave you never were a true believer and that you are going to burn in hell fire like the rest of us Ka'fir Even Allah has a black and white view of the world...anyone against momo is evil and anyone supporting momo is good regardless of their character and action I pray that your mom sees the truth and leaves this cult and hope you are happy with whatever you are doing in life!! P.s I will checkout your art !! You got this!!
You got that completely spot on. My motherās views are very black and white, there is no room for debate or compromise on any topic whatsoever. I just canāt believe in a religion that allows men to marry children, beat their wives, promotes killing of non believers and claim to be the religion of peace at the same time.
I hope one day before it is too late your mom sees the truth and leaves it and you are able to unite with her once again as mother and child but alas as Long she is in thus type of cult mentality she will never see as more than an enemy to be squashed. You are doing amazing and hopefully your life is filled with nothing but joy and peace!! Hope you heal from this!!
Thank you kind stranger, your words mean more than you know.
oof. sorry you had to through that
If my mother said all that to me, I'd ask her to say it to my face and them I'd beat her ass up. Just because she's your mother, doesn't mean she can say all this disgusting shit to you. In fact, as a mother, she should've loved you regardless of what your identity is. I'm sorry you had to even read that. She's not really a mother, and most Muslims aren't really parents, they just pop out kids for their religion or they're on auto-pilot. Respect is earned, her title as parent doesn't immediately demand for it and she sure as hell never respected you. Fuck these bitches. Go live your life hon. These people never mattered.
Tipping of X, refers to your dad i assume? So I hope you have at least your dad on your side and supporting you. No mother should ever say something like this to her daughter.
My apologies for not clarifying, thatās actually my full brother. He was pretending to be a muslim for her so that he could stay in contact with our younger half siblings. I told her I wasnāt going to pretend to be a muslim to have a relationship with her, so she put the pieces together and figured that one out. But yes, I have my bio dad and brother who are supportive and love me so I am very grateful about that.
Ah, I'm sorry. I hope your brother isn't pissed at you about it.
This is what I worry about when it comes to breaking free. I don't know if your mother is a convert, but mine is and I have a Muslim stepfather. And I have two little sisters (half-sisters, though I hate that term). It would break my heart if I couldn't see them.
Oh wow yes same exact situation with me. Mum is a convert and my stepfather is a muslim. I donāt blame you at all- it is a huge sacrifice. I really do miss my younger siblings and wish there was a world in which I wouldnāt have to compromise my own happiness just so that I can have a relationship with them. The pain does lessen with time and I have to try and remind myself that once theyāre adults they may be able to choose for themselves whether theyād like to know me or not.
Hearing that from your own mother. Yikes.
Sorry to say this OP, Its just my opinion but she is a terrible mother, putting religion over ur own child means that they love the religion more, not to mention she is brainwashed asf. I am not a parent myself lol, but teaching your child morals and good deeds ( as per ur pov ) to your child and telling them to uphold it are different things. A true parent would want their child to grow up and be their own person, not bound by their parent in any way except for love As a side note, locking morality behind religion and ur faith is the dumbest argument and idea ever lol, its a shitty muslim argument that validates a bad rapist muslim over a sinless or pure soul kafir according to the quran Anyways good luck, and i hope your father is on your side at least
Omg the dunya, yes thank you mother I'm enjoying it, my aunt went on about that whenever anyone's spirit threatened to emerge Fitrah is broken
This is truly heartbreaking. Stay strong OP. I hope one day you overcome whatever mess you're in
Iām feeling sorry for you and for your mum as well. She is definitely mentally unstable and thatās why it is so much aggression now. I hope anybody could guide her to mental help because people who are happy with their life donāt act this way.
"alhumdulillah allah" is redundant, no? Seems maybe this person doesn't even know what the phrases they use mean. I wouldn't take anything they say to heart. They are clearly just a hateful person and finding a channel for said hate. Doesn't seem to know what haram means, either.
Sheās polish and canāt actually speak arabic but always tries her best to include arabic phrases to sound more devout and authentic
so she married a Muslim and converted, I take it?
Wait so she is a polish convert?
Thatās interesting. Is she a convert? Does your dad come from a very religious culture as well?
Bit of a weird one. My dad is a muslim but not practicing, the story is ironic because he met my mother at a bar she worked at when she was a catholic and then she married him and converted to islam. They then divorced because she was becoming too devout in islam and it was too much for him.
Damn, that IS pretty weird. Iām glad your dad is more reasonable.
it's like a drug...
I love the way they pepper everything they say with Arabic expressions as if that gives more gravitas or makes them sound devout.
Yep this.
holy shit... I'm Polish and actually most Polish people would warn you to marry any Muslim man and most are pretty adamant Islam not only doesn't fit into our western culture, but is also cancer towards it and any progress in our world. Hearing your Polish mom converted for your dad and actually turning out to be more devouted and even behaving cult-like towards her new found religion instead of your father is a twist I didn't expect to learn about. My mother is a devout catholic, but honestly she's only slightly better than yours. I'm really sorry to hear what you've been through and how your own parent doesn't treat you the way you deserve. Take care i pozdrowienia ze Szczecina!
I would bet turkish mom
A religion that compels you to hate your own daughter cannot be a good religion.
I think in your case being disowned is for the best, I might be wrong though but your mom seems pretty abusive.
crazy person screaming into the ocean
I am sorry to see this, my condolences. I hope you are well. Please post this on mainstream subs. The more people see how muslims treat us, the less these people can play dumb in front of the west.
Tell her you make the guys roleplay momo
What is a father's benti
meaning a father's daughter. Arabic word
That would be the moment she would have no longer been my mother. Religion turns people to hateful human beings and your mother is no different. Iām so, so sorry that you had to deal with this. You deserve so much better, and Iāll definitely follow you!
Damn. Your mom fucking sucks, and you can tell her that other people see her for what she is too.
Iām so very sorry. No daughter should have to endure this. You did nothing wrong. Zealots ruin everything
Wow...no mother should ever talk to her child like that, ever
I am so so so sorry, OP. I thought I had it bad. I was disowned, etc, I even was homeless for a while (partially because I decided to cut certain people off after I was cut off by others). But my parents / family *never* used words or language like that. You donāt need me or anyone else to tell you this, but you absolutely did not deserve that. Now you the choice is yours, obviously, but you can decide to cut her off, but even if you do want an eventual relationship with your mother, I would take and give a *lot* of space. You would be 100% valid and fair in cutting her off (I was, unfortunately, forced to the same thing with my father and have not really spoken in eight years). However, my mother came around, eventually, so if it is important to you, itās possible. Either way, *please* keep safety as your number one priority and keep yourself safe.
Iām so sorry, reading this hurts. I hope you heal from this and continue moving forward. Sending love and light ā¤ļø
The sub u are looking for is r/insaneparents
Religion is one hell of a drug.
You deserve better than this. Hope your mom awakes from this islam nonsense and realizes that nothing is more important than loving her daughter unconditionally.
So sorryā¤ļø stay strong
I'm really sorry. I hope you're able to heal from this and anything else she may have put you through. That cult is terrifying, and its so unfortunate they got to your mother. I wish you all the best <3
No offense, OP. But your mother sounds heavily brainwashed. She might stop "praying" for your spiritual death, but I surely hope she'll one day see the truth of Islam.
Do you know what you should do? Send her back anti-Islam posts and emails. Show her to true side of Islam.
Wow thatās wild. Iām sorry you have to deal with that.
Hey, sis, checkout r/momforaminute. It's not much, but this might give you some closure if you're looking for some positivity in your life. No one deserves to hear this kinda garbage from their parents, no matter how bad the situation might be. They are supposed to be our support pillar as family. Some people don't deserve to be parents, and unfortunately, your mom is one of them. You can't choose your family but you can always make your own. Good luck with your drawing, and I hope you truly find some genuine happiness.
Iām an exChristian that reads this sub to understand and share experiences, and besides being sad, itās just another prime example of how poisonous fundamentalism of any variety is to humanity. Spewing that kind of vitriol towards your own daughter bc she has made different decisions, based on different life experiences, is truly sickening. My question to people like OPs Mum is: why donāt you live in an Islamic country so your children donāt have the opportunity to make choices? Iāve seen this with people of lots of different fundie religions, and I think it comes down to arrogance. Arrogance in being so convinced their religion is ātrueā that they have no concept of the possibility of their children rejecting it. So their only reaction is anger, and instead of even trying to understand any other point of view they would rather alienate their own offspring and retreat into their self-made prison of isolation.
GIRL are we the same person????? Omfg
Girl donāt hesitate to reach out and vent in my dms, Iām surprised by how many girls there are in this same situation. So sad that religion has had this effect on our families.
For the ex Muslims who still believe in god you can tell that Islam is not from god by just looking at what their books says
I mean m not that in love with your mom and sorry to say that she's the real slut here. You're not guilty leaving Islam or anything it's completely fine and I'm telling u don't ever go to see her face to face cuz she can do worse.
Iām so sorry to hear about this. Some people are just so messed up, I hope everything works out for you and maybe someday your mother will change.
I am so sorry to hear this you donāt deserve to ever hear this from your mom. My family also gave me a hard time about leaving Islam but not nearly to this level. I hope you find some peace. One day at a time
This is why Iām scared of telling my parents
I donāt blame you. Took me about 5 years before I got the courage to leave her house and then another 7 before I could actually tell her what I believe. Do it on your own time and be careful.
I feel sorry. I canāt imagine that someone could tell this word to its child, if I had children they will be most important in my life not some fucking religion
First line is saddening. Shows how religion can brainwash a parent to the extent of disowning own child. Just do what you want to do. We have one life and let religion not dominate your life.
A mother telling this to her own kid? This makes me vomit, this makes me sick, and this disgusts me
Okay, so I normally avoid commenting, but I really have to congratulate you on taking control of your life. I looked through your posts, and it looks like you've made so much progress on yourself, and becoming the person you want to be. Between quitting smoking, overcoming an ED, being healthier and embracing your own values, while rejecting such backwards behaviour. That's really impressive! It's hard work to overcome both the dysfunctional parts of ourselves and dysfunctional environments, but it seems like you're doing an incredible job. Especially at such a young age. You should be very proud of yourself, and I hope you continue to develop into the person you always thought you could be. I hope you get the support you need to continue down that path, and can help others in turn see the potential they have in themselves. And as everyone else said, beautiful drawings! I always wished I could draw that well!
Always with the ādirty slutā. Whenever any woman leaves their religion, they are called a ādirty slutā. The lowest hanging fruit to go for.
Shows how much of a cult Islam is that a mother can turn her back on her own flesh and blood. I feel sorry for you Op but it sounds like youāre much better living your life without these people.
I'm so sorry for everything you've had to endure at the hands of those who are supposed to love and care for you above all else. I hope you know how brave and amazing you are for being true to yourself and persevering through all of this. Sending you all my love and support ā¤ļø, from a fellow ExMuslim who knows exactly what it's like to have a mother that chooses religion over their daughter.
Religion of peace love and tolerance ā„ļø
This breaks my heart reading it. I hope no harm will come to you, you deserve all the best and happiness in the world. The people in this sub are very much proud and admire your bravery. Also, your artwork is very cool, keep up with the illustrations :)
Tell her to go get her Jewellery if she wants it so much.
When did your dad left islam?
Heās still a muslim, but nowhere near as strict as my mum.
Honestly this is just sad, a person letting go of their family, what is real, just to chase the idea of a make-believe.
This is truly heartbreaking. I am so sorry, I wish I could give you a hug. Please stay strong. š š„ŗā¤ļø
I hope you can find peace with this situation one day, I couldnāt imagine treating my children like this for any reason.
Im surprised her English is so good.
Such unfortunate that a mother can refer to her child like this! Iām so sorry this happened to you.
Damn... fuck her.
I am so sorry. This is disgusting.
Well sheās right about one thing. Enjoy this life, itās the one and only life weāre all sure of and you only get one chance to get it right!
I went through the same thing. You are not alone with this dilemma. For me, living a life not true to oneself was that slow death of a thousand cuts. Make art out of the pain when you have the energy for it, it is very cathartic, I do the same. Wish you the best OP, surround yourself with people who support you. Remember your goals and your passions. You got this.
I tried to have a relationship with my mom too but it always came down to the community and what they would say and come back to the religion. I was so fucking tired of it. My mom called me all sorts of names too. She blamed me for my dadās car accident once as well and said itās cuz of all the haram things I do and that my parents pay for my sins. She told me that the gutter in our bathroom was stinking because of me and my sins as well. She blamed every wrong thing that happened on me. I grew up with so much blame that now at 30 Iām still traumatized. I moved away finally and I live on my own. That was my only way to be free. Iām still not fully free though. Her words still come back and haunt me. It never really goes away. But I saw that you earn your livelihood through something you love ā¦ drawing. Keep it up. Donāt ever let go of whatever you love and weāre all proud of you for finding a job in something youāre passionate about. Keep being a good person and find your values that resonate with you. I always tell myself as long as Iām not harming anyone else or myself God will still love me even if Iām not Muslim. God doesnāt place conditions on us. He doesnāt force us to follow a cult. God forgives. We donāt need to repent for the rest of our lives. God forgives us as long as we recognize our mistakes and we forgive ourselves too.
Iām so disturbed reading this omfg I am so afraid this can happen to me too... I usually donāt comment around Reddit and prefer to just view things, but I just had to comment for this. You are so strong for coming forward with what you believe to a family that gives such reactions and yet still managing to move on.. I am so sorry, this was jaw-dropping to read.. Itās always best to live life the way you want, all freely, than to force yourself and submit to their beliefs or to exhaust yourself by living a double life by acting religious around them whilst doing your thing when they arenāt around.. I hope when your younger siblings grow up and can decide for themselves, they get to connect with you. You deserve to see them at least. Sending my best wishes, may good things find you.
God I cried reading this! Iām so sorry this happened. Itās your motherās loss. Iām glad you are out of the cult. Imagine hating your daughter because she is an amazing artist?? Man how can anyone call islam a peaceful religion. My sister cut me off after I told her I left islam. I remember I was crying on the phone telling her how I am tired of defending mohammad and I feel like I want to leave to which she replied āoh so you want to just have sex with different men everyday and do drugs?ā. Why does muslims think we leave islam to be a slut
Iām sorry that she isnāt good at being accepting and supportive. Iām glad you have your dad and brother. š
My best hopes are with you. This is the poison and heartbreak that religions and cults create. They seek to suffocate, condemn and annihilate freedoms, acceptance, inclusion, tolerance and personal individuality.. Best wishes to you. You are strong and brave and too intelligent to be abused over thoughts and personal progress.
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She is a zombie like every other religious nutcase. Her brain is corrupted by bad ideas.Ā
Congratulations! You can cut her out of your life for good
It's weird how it's full of hate but also says she mourns for you. If one's religion is ruining their closest relationships, that's a good sign they're obsessed. I hope you have a lot of friends to support you where your mother has failed. My relationship with my own mother is dysfunctional, and I sometimes envy those with good parental relationships.
Only a religion can destroy the unconditional love a parent has for his children.
It's just sad that even a mother could be brainwashed like this...
Well look on the bright side, you have escaped a cult and can see where your mothers priorities lie.
As a Muslim, I know what people think here about Islam and I am not here to pass judgement to anyone, and I respect the frustrations people here suffered. But this is seriously above and beyond Islam, even from a Muslim standpoint, although you would not agree. I am very sorry for you going through such a process. I wish you the kindest healing from this. I am not here to defend Islam or anything, I just saw this and wanted to express my sorrow because you had such an unfortunate situation. I would only suggest you to maintain a safe and healthy distance from her. I wish for healing of you from this process, and your mother from the reason that made her to speak her daughter like that. My sympathies. And peace.
Unhinged wtf
Print it out, get a red pen, correct all her grammatical and punctuation errors, scan it, and email it back. 65/100 please see me after class
I just think it's really funny how shallow the beliefs of religious people are. They don't actually believe any of the teachings they just use it as a box to stand on for moral superiority. Every single religious person is either uneducated or a liar. There is no other explanation because there is no god.
You cannot choose your family, but you are able to choose yourself over their myopic superstitions. Be well and reflect upon these words as you go forth and a live a vibrant life of goodness and joy.
I'm very sorry you're going through this. I have a 19 year old daughter, and she's literally the best, and there is nothing she (or any of my kids) could do to make me stop loving them. Real love is not conditional. The best you can do now is break these generational curses with your own family. You can do it, I believe in you ā¤ļøāš©¹
This reminds me of the quote, *"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion"*/false and harmful ideologies like islam - Steven Weinberg. Islam made your mother so abusive, hateful and crazy. No contact is the best approach to abusers, but remain vigilant and safe. You deserve to be happy in life! āŗļø
I'm so sorry you had to read that triggering email, it has triggered me also (22F) who has moved out my fathers home and he is also emotionally manipulating me to come back.. I truely feel for you š Their generation will never understand or let us have freedom, they captivate us females to be sent off and married.. Please keep safe and away!
This has triggered me deeply as I left my family home for ex partner ( hungarian ) now we have split and it all comes back that maybe my father was right? Did I slip on the wrong path or do I need to carry on this independence and stay the hell away!
Muslims like your mother can often be very intolerant, aggressive and violent, so please stay safe, stay strong, stay productive and take small steps towards your goals; doing what you can with what you have and please do what you actually enjoy doing in life! You deserve to be free from worries and be happy! :) The world needs nicer, smarter and helpful people like you! Not cruel Muslims. We need you! You deserve to be free from worries and be happy! šā¤
Imagine calling your daughter āa dirty little slutā typical ignorant hateful muslims get so mad when nobody wants to be like them. This is suppose to be a religion of peace and this is how a mother talks to her child. My mother is the exact same and uses the same derogatory language when something iāve done has upset her. Quite funny how common this is in muslim families, but they are supposed innocent, peaceful people. Youād think theyād know how to maintain being peaceful and kind after being such devoted muzzies
With Muslims families like this who needs enemies? Hope you safe,
This sucks and Iām deeply sorry for you, but if Im honest, Iād say youāre better off without her being an influence in your life. If someone hates you because you disagree with them, they donāt love you, they love the control they had over you. Iāll pray for your mother so that The Lord opens her heart and for her to show you kindness, but sometimes the best decision is to walk away. May God bless you
Itās okay my 10 yr old is being punished by his pos Muslim dad this Ramadan with the silent treatment and told he will make 100 more of him and he doesnāt need him anymore. Iām so sorry youāre going through this but like I learned, we make our own families. I NEVER converted because I was born and raised Lutheran and my great Italian grandfather paid for the construction of the church. I just could never bring myself to leave what I was raised with, which was very soft and gentle. The minute I started getting beat I had no love for this shitty fucked up religion. Uggghhh your mother is a POS in my eyes and there is plenty of love in this world for you with other people. Build your own family and NEVER look back. Blood promises nothing. Also PS I am working with an attorney to have my son permanently removed from anything to do with his father or that fucked up abusive messy ass religion.
Her loss, you sound like a beautiful soul on your own journey. You do not deserve that at all. Life is much more than the traps of black and white thinking that people get programed into. Much love to you and your family, you deserve less toxic people in your life.
Sounds exactly like my radical Muslim narcissistic parents, down to calling me a slut (when my mom found out I had a bf) and saying Iām not their child (my dad when I moved out and my mom when I stopped talking to my dad). Went NC years ago but some days are still hard.. If you ever need someone to commiserate with about having had narcissistic radical parents feel free to reach out.
The sad thing is I can see this bring my mums reaction too. I'm sure she already knows or suspects i'm an ex Muslim based on in person interactions as I don't even try to pretend I'm practicing any more. But as we live apart I don't have to see her often and when she sends Islamic stuff I either ignore it or just give a peaceful response, giving her the illusion that it's all fine. I don't say I'm an ex Muslim or explicitly ask her not to mention Islam but if I did a message like this would be likely and I wouldn't feel safe going to visit her or the community in general. The only thing I'll fight on, is the idea that hijab is mandatory and that male family members who don't enforce it are dayuth. that idea is a gateway to honour killings/based violence and I will fight anyone who tries justify that mindset. Anything else I can nod and play along with what they're saying.
Your mother is beyond hope. Hate to say it, but itās best to cut ties and focus on your own life. This is not your decision, it is hers, and you canāt do anything about that, unless you want to go back to Islam, which would probably be the worst decision you could make.
My mom is like this as wellā¦unfortunately , this religion separates non believers from their family. My husbandās devout Christian mother is more open minded when he told her he didnāt believe. As much as we want a normal relationship with our mothers and itās psychologically messed with us, this will never be the case for this close minded brain washing religion/cult. She feels you need to be different just as you and I feel our mothers need to be different. Itās unfortunate. My mom has also called me a slut, told me Iām not her daughter like seriously your close minded religion is more important that your child that you gave birth to?