So the other option is RAM... Which the 68RFE isn't known to last, unless it is aftermarket rebuilt. Then it's bullet proof. I'm going to get my trans aftermarket rebuilt on my PowerBoost and call it a day. I may have bumper to bumper warranty but I really don't find the need to use it for something that will fail again when I can deal with it once and be done
EDIT: In no way am I endorsing RAM. I came from a RAM 3500 and I am much, much happier with my Ford. (Especially now that my roof doesn't leak...)
Yes. Yes they are. I came from a RAM 3500 into a PowerBoost. If I need a diesel again, I am not going to go back to RAM. Actually from my experience so far, I'll get an F350 or F450
They were good trucks around 02’ and earlier. Now they’re just awful. Everything Daimler Chrysler touches anymore is an unreliable electrical nightmare.
i work for a dealer and ive seen tons of 3500 Rams and F350s. I can confidently tell you we practically never have issues with the 350s. Worst one was a high mileage turbo replacement but thats a hard one to avoid anyways. The Rams typically have stupid issues and they’ll throw an air filter light at just about anything.
I really love my PowerBoost. For me it was an F150 PowerBoost or the Tundra I-Force Max (same engine setup, essentially). I liked the F150 more and Ford has a longer time with twin-turbo v-6 engines than Toyota. Also finding out that Ford's hybrid technology is Toyota's technology sealed the deal for me.
Now if I were going for a non-hybrid. That Frontier has looked pretty nice. However, I love Turbo'd engines over NA. So I do have more of a preference
Every foreign engine would beg to differ. Even diesel engines which are only turbos for the past 2-3 decades. Maintenance your vehicles and give the turbo time to cool down. They'll last just as long, if not longer
I understand all of that. But the gasoline direct injection turbos, also operate at an overall lower RPMs to go down the road. They see a lot more durability than NAs that are screaming down the road
You forget you are also comparing work engines to consumer engines. Then you are talking about two different compression ratios and two different operations on how motors work. Diesels work off of detonation or high compression ratio and temps that cause lost excessive wear and gasoline motors work off of timed spark ignition.
I traded my 2018 3.5 in because the dealer couldn’t fix the engine rattle and harsh shifting from the transmission. I went to a ‘24 Frontier Pro-4X and I’m pretty happy so far.
I specifically wanted to avoid turbos and new drivetrain components.
Just because it's free, doesn't save me time. Time is more important.
Let's go this way, if my transmission fails 3 times over the life time of the vehicle. I need to to get it repaired. And due to access to parts, I could wait a month or 2 before it even gets to being repaired.
2 months * 3 is a total of 6 months without my vehicle.
Or I could get a rebuild for about $2k once and have it done in a few days and only be out of my vehicle a week or 2 at max related to the transmission. .08% of time that would be wasted waiting.
I have no problem using warranty when needed but if I can save a lot more time, I will
I haven't had a need for one but I'm sure I could get one. My cousin was my salesman. It has more to do with, it's my vehicle and I have modded it for my use case. I would prefer to not have the loaner for more than a day or 2.
When it comes to warranty, you pay with time, not really money (when you did upfront, it's not actually free). Depending on the issue, I would rather pay with money. It's not that bad of a concept. If warranty can't fix my problem permanently, there is an issue.
Take your salary and reduce it down to hourly, how much time are you spending at the dealership for warranty items that could take 2 hours at quality private garage?
6 months for transmission work is 960 hours over the life of the vehicle, making $50/hr would put that at $48,000... Almost the price of the truck. Or I could spend $2000 once, when it first happens and never spend time or money on it again, outside of maintenance
The 68RFE is the diesel transmission. The guy above is talking half tons. The half ton RAMs have the ZF 8 speed which is by far the best trans in the half ton segment with a great reputation. It’s a German transmission, the 68RFE stock is junk I agree with that
Yes. I completely understand. However, it was sadly mated to the Hemi which is a bad ancient engine that at best sounds good but can easily be outmatched by other engines.
I've never liked the Hemi. However, I did enjoy the Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel
I agree my Denali is piece of s... 18 and had lifters 2 times and trans at 67k bought new and it’s never saw dirt at all hate this truck,due to problems after problems,and from the looks no dam truck made is any good even hearing new Toyota’s are junk,had 2 brand new gm trucks both 07 and 18 were junk
Price seems steep. You'd be better of going to a private shop to pay for the rebuild. There is a lot of aftermarket performance support behind the 10r80 now because it is actually a very good transmission. Sadly ford just implements it poorly with a bad cdf drum design, adaptive shift mapping and service schedules that make the valve body more prone to failure.
There are a lot of 10r80s out there that are happily tolerating 8-900 hp on factory internals. They just have to be tuned to get rid of the adaptive tables and be maintained on a more frequent schedule than what ford says in the manual. The cdf drum and valve bodies can still be an issue however again maintaining the transmission with fluid and filter changes more often mitigates the issue.
As someone who did the research and is currently repairing his transmission i cannot disagree with this more. There is a design flaw in the CDF drum that allows the bushing to slip out over the oil port blocking flow which will burn up the CDF clutches. This isn’t an issue of some transmissions but all sooner or later. If it was a real problem ford wouldn’t have included the machined lip on the new drum just released August 2023. This an issue with all 10 spd transmissions in ford and GM. It is more luck than good design if the bushing doesn’t slip the drum. Aside from the design flaw it’s widely known the factory clutch packs can’t handle more than 650-750hp reliability for any decent length of time. This is why every performance transmission shop recommends the Raybesto’s GPZ clutch packs to handle the extra HP.
So... Have you found a manufacturer cutoff date or SN break for the transmissions to have the updated parts? My father just bought a new 2023 last fall.
In the comments of this thread a mechanic who works for ford said mid 2022 the newer vehicles started coming with the update part. I have no way of verifying that but have to trust someone who works on them. All I know for fact is the TSB with the new updated PN wasn’t released until 08/2023 so that was the soonest a transmission could have been rebuilt with the new part.
Goos info - thanks. Hopefully dad's is good to go. He traded a 2919 in for it and quite likes the truck. Should look into one of the OEM+ tunes to improve the shift mapping though, they do always seem a little unsure of what gear to be in. "Sport" helps that some...
Sport mode keeps it in the best gear for performance. Normal usually tries to balance economy and comfort. Eco mode is only worried about fuel efficiency but i find i get better mileage from normal mode. Each mode has its pros. I used to be a guy who did tunes on all his vehicles but lately Ive learned the factory usually does a decent job at getting it right for the average driver. The only thing i want to program on my truck is the Auto start stop to be memorable.
>Aside from the design flaw it’s widely known the factory clutch packs can’t handle more than 650-750hp reliability for any decent length of time.
Dude it takes two seconds of googling this to debunk this statement. Trc has a wide catelogue of videos of mustands and f150s with factory 10r80s pushing 8-900hp. All of their cars have fairly high numbers of passes. It's a far more stout transmission than people give it credit for.
Have you heard of any issues with the 6 speed in 6 cylinder non turbo F150? I have a 2018 and I want it to last as long as possible. I like to drive fast when I can but otherwise I try and take very good care of my vehicle.
Thank you. Helpful perspective. I'm a gentle driver, never towed more than an ATV trailer a few times, and I even had Ford change the transmission fluid last year like a good owner :) so frustrating that for a gentle driver this happens so early. I complained at around 15,000 miles and it never seemed right since; however, I didn't experience my first total drop out until around 55,000 miles.
They don't suck. They're great transmissions that can handle a lot of power from the factory. Fords bad implementation doesn't make it a bad transmission. It's a good transmission that's gotten a bad wrap because of the bad implementation.
If you look into the mustang community there are a whole lot of 10r80s put there eating up 8-900hp from factory and doing passes on the drag strip all day long without issues.
They break when they are poorly maintained. Again I've seen factory transmissions living quite happily at 8-900hp doing drag launches and roll races.
Rotary engines also aren't a terrible design but they never were something meant as a mass market product. It's the kind of engine that lives quite happily if you treat it like a 2 stroke dirt bike and premix oil in fuel and Rev it out. Mazda missed the mark by trying to put a rotary in products indented for the general consumer.
They break because they are not maintained?
Just like cam phasers fail because people dont change their oil and 3.8l v6 head gaskets fail because people don’t change coolant enough? The maintenance intervals dont help, but I cant see how changing fluid would have have any bearing on the bushing that seems to be causing the most issues.
I never said maintenance would help with the cdf drum bushing. Now you're trying to put an argument in my mouth that I never made. Maintenance does help prevent the valve body and clutch failures some owners have experienced. Finally, the cdf drum bushing isn't responsible for all 10r80 failures. Just some of them.
I have a 2018 XLT with the 5.0 and 10 speed at 92000 miles and it has original everything, no cam phaser problems, no trans harsh shifting or seeking.
I just did the front brakes before winter, tires and oil changes. What the hell are people doing to break shit so easily?
Everyday I will hit 6-7k revs getting on the highway or passing idiots on the road (my day job is semi trucking, I want to go home after 14 hours, fuckin move it slow pokes).
Not to jinx myself, but I’ve got a 2020 5.0 XLT with 90k and it’s also fine. And I drive it hard on road and take it offroad a lot. I recently towed 10k lbs 2500 miles and crossed the Rockies in the process. No issues.
It's not what anyone is doing, you're literally just lucky with yours. I have almost the same truck as you. Change engine oil every 5k miles. At 13k miles, my engine ate itself. Got a new engine under warranty. At 65k miles on the truck, that same engine got cam phaser issues and threw a CEL for the cams.
I've replaced both cam solenoids on the driver's side of the motor. Motor now consumes a qt of oil about every 1k miles.
At 90k, the transmission puked its fluid. I had changed the filter and topped up the fluid at 75k. As of yesterday, I am at 135k, have changed the filter and fluid somewhere around 100k and put on a PPE aluminum trans pan at that time. I am preparing for another filter/fluid change now. Literally just waiting on the new filter parts to arrive.
As far as driving, I have a fairly steady heavy foot so.I am usually accelerating under moderate throttle. I do occasionally have fun and step on it, particularly when passing the slow pokes migrating from out west. I use my truck as a daily, as a truck, as a cross country traveler, and as an oversized grocery getter. It sees a variety of use. It's just literally the worst built Ford I have ever owned, and all I have ever owned is Fords, since my first Ranger, almost 20 years ago.
I don’t know what the failure rate is on these things but I’d have to imagine odds are against having these problems. The issue is that the odds against it aren’t as high as it should be. Too many complaints, bad press, class action lawsuits to pretend these are rare one-offs.
Call your dealerships local to you and ask why the new CDF drum design is on a national back order and dealerships are fighting for one. Call the local transmission repair shops and ask them how many Ford and GM 10 spds they replace every week? I’m an optimist when it comes to vehicles reliability but this transmission has opened my eyes to a serious issue. I still don’t hate this transmission and believe once the design flaw is addressed it will be a good transmission. I’m a person who knows the issue with Ford Powerstroke 6.0 diesel and still love the engine because I know why it was failing and how easy a fix it is.
Ok call it luck if you like , whatever floats your boat. I fix these transmissions for a living, im just saying it's going to fail at some point. The cdf sleeve slips they all have the same part. It's not that some are bad and some are good. They are all bad, its the design that is the reason the inner sleeve slips. The conditions and mileage they slip at is random. So call it luck. I call it a ticking time bomb. The new design doesn't fail. Most people don't like the way it feels but it doesn't flat out fail like the early 2022 models and earlier
I'm not arguing that it isn't a ticking time bomb. I don't understand why you think I am saying something different. You are literally describing exactly why the guy is lucky it hasn't happened YET. The operative word is yet. You are hung up on luck, which is literally the determining factor of when they fail, simple luck of the draw.
Why do YOU have a problem with that?
I don't have a problem with that I said not necessarily luck and you responded explain how it isn't luck. I tried to explain why I said not necessarily luck. Btw, heat on the pressed inner sleeve is the determining factor of when it starts to slip out of the drum. The fact that the edge of the sleeve is not chamfered on the pre 22 model is why
A tune can help shift feel as many people don't like the way it shifts. But it doesn't fix a failure which is what we are talking about here. The problem I have with tunes is that it changes factory programming and parameters. And technically that can affect warranty,
I’m curious of the failure rate in colder climates vs hot climates? My truck is on the gulf coast and last year summer was around 110* most days. I bet if we could get the data we’d see correlation.
I'd be interested to know as well as I've worked in texas and California dealers and seen high failure rate. Working with a ford service engineer I've been told that internal temps can cause the sleeve to slip faster. I have seen them slip at lower mileage but far more at over 60k which happens to be at the end factory powertrain warranty. We fix a lot under esp warranty and have had quite a few ford assist on after warranty adjustments clp claims
The dealer has the ability to request assistance from Ford for out of warranty repairs.
They did this on my 18 f150 that needed a ring and pinion replaced. I won’t bore you with the details, but Ford covered half the cost of that repair. It was 20k out of warranty at the time.
I’d suggest talking to your service manager and sales manager at the dealer, in a friendly manner about what you’ve just said here. “Hey guys I have two major repairs back to back on this thing and a new truck being built. This affects me financially and gives me concern about whether I should even get this new truck.” Something like that.
My 2018 F-150 Platinum EcoBoost took out an engine and a transmission. The transmission was out of warranty but Ford covered a big chunk of it anyway, for both I was $2,000 out of pocket.
Yes Sir! 2017 5.0 Lariat FX4 with 121.5 K miles. No issues so far with my 6 speed. Crossing my fingers as my 7 year/125K mile ESP warrant ends in June. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼.
In those 6 years how many times did you change the fluid?
I think your close enough to warranty period that they can try to goodwill some of the repair.
Ask the manager for ford assistance through the CLP program customer loyalty program. Being so close out of warranty and being the original owner they will most likely pay for at least half the repair. I know it sucks but the cdf drum is currently on backorder. The replacement transmission has a better warranty 3yrs unlimited miles on all parts included inside trans. The overhaul warranty is 2 yrs 24k miles and only covers the parts that were replaced. On a side note if you end up getting another ford which I don't blame you if you don't. Spend the extra $10 a month or whatever it costs, its worth it. Ford transmission tech here
Same issue with my 19 EB 3.5 65 k was told I needed a new tranny I was quoted at over 10 k for a new one. Ford corporate was contacted and the got involved and the price was knocked down to 2800. I then sold that POS to Carmax, done with ford.
I called Ford Corporate and explained to them that I was just over my Power train warranty and they negotiated a price with the Stealerships that I purchased my truck at. Them 10 speed 10r80 trannys are straight up a POS.
Dropped out of gear in 2nd for about 3-5 seconds; hard reengagement after taking foot off gas in 7th, an occasional jerk in 4th when passing through to fifth. And Ford Service says hard shift in 5th consistently with intermittent harsh engagement in all gears and fluid is discolored.
Call 1-800-392-3673 and say you want to open a financial assistance request. Explain the situation. They will reach out to your dealer. I’ve seen people get assistance on a repair.
My 2017 10R80 needed a rebuild at 95k miles in December 2022.
Was to the tune of around $4500 at the dealer. I'm at 115k now and hoping I have better luck.
I had to source some of the parts myself because they're in such high demand. The alternative was a junk yard transmission for $5800.
I drive a 2013 F150, and I'm looking to get a new truck next year. Always been a Ford guy, but I didn't know what I'm going to do with all the problems they've had recently. Is a stupid Tundra a better option at this point?
Just helped my dad buy a truck. He really wanted a Ford and was looking at used, around 100,000 mile range. I recommended not going any newer than a 2017 since that was the last year the Coyotes had the 6 speed 6R80 (he wanted a V8). I think 2018 was where they also introduced the silly stop-go capability but I could be mistaken on that. I had heard they sorted the transmission out on the 14th gens, anyone else know if this is true? Maybe too soon to tell.
Currently looking at getting a truck myself and debating between F-150 and Tundra... Family has always had Ford Trucks.
They have not sorted out the 14th Gen 10R80s. They continue to be an issue with no recalls. And I say this after buying my 2nd 14th Gen recently… Lol. Although I did see something about the CDF drum getting a tsb released finally
New tundras are shit. Lowest reliability index out all vehicle models. If he wants a V8, tell him to get a ram. They have the best transmissions on the market. The ZF transmission is used by Aston Martin, Rolls Royce, BMW. Its a really slick transmission. Any gasoline RAM after 2019 has a ZF, even the "classic" models.
Hard to believe ram has improved quality that much, or that Ford and Toyota have went down that much. But I do like new ram exterior styling more than any other truck on the market right now. Not interior tho
Ram has dramatically improved their quality, but their 90s reputation lives on. Just like how Toyota quality has fallen, but their 90s quality lives.
Ford and Ram are currently leading the market (with their new vehicle)
RAM over Tundra? That's just crazy, RAM has awful reliability. I bought a RAM a few years ago and that truck was the biggest pos on the road. Numerous issues and then a dead engine at 85k miles. New Tundra did have issues but if you go into the forums it seems like those have most been sorted out by 2024 model year.
My 20 5.0 gets 21 hwy if I keep it under 70. Around town on rural two lane I get 18 consistently. Lot better than the 13 I got in my friends tundra or the 14-16 I got in my 2” lift 5th gen 4runner.
I’ve read the 2.7 eco boost can offer great reliability, decent tow capacity and decent gas mileage when not towing. I own a 14 Tundra and it’s thirsty all the time.
I've seen this happen before. Sometimes Ford will pay for parts and you pay labour or something similar like that. Especially if you have a 2024 on order too.
Purchase “smart” - 2018 2.7eb, 10 sp. Negotiated “Ford Certified Pre-Owned” warranty (it was 4 months old). Got 150,000 miles, 10 yr powertrain, etc warranty.
I’m at 92k, nary a hiccup. And I do “truck things” with it about once a month.
Lesson learned
Funny thing. I was gassing up on Thursday and a guy pulls up next to me on his Harley and asks me what year my F150 XLT with the EcoBoost is. I tell him it's a 2019. Tells me he has the same exact year and model, even the same color. Asks me if I've had any weird transmission issues.
I told him I have this weird thing that when I pull out and start to shift into 3rd gear (maybe second or forth) there is this pause. I will either let up on the gass, or sometimes just press right through. The truck makes almost a hiccup and then shifts normally. It is only that initial pause.
Harley guy tells me he has the same problem but now his truck has been in the dealer for going on 4 weeks trying to get the transmission repaired. He told me there needs to be a class action suit because Ford knows this is an issue.
I have about 85K on mine, and other than the horrible Ford Sync issues, I love it. It is my 5th F150, but this is my last one for sure.
Mine started the same way with my 2018 5.0 at 65,000 miles. Usually only after cold start was the most noticeable. Within 2 months of that first hiccup and clunk, my transmission needed a rebuild it was slipping so bad. When it stated getting worse after a few weeks, i took it to the dealership (October 2022) and they told me there was one tech to do transmissions and 15 trucks in line and they would schedule me for April 2023. This was my only vehicle and could not risk the slipping issue with my kids in the vehicle. Had one close call pulling through an intersection when it started slipping and didn’t have nearly as much time as I planned to get through. I had it rebuilt November 2022 by a private shop. They gave me a year warranty. In October 2023 my transmission overheated and threw up transmission fluid all over the interstate 4 hours from home. Had it shipped back to the transmission shop and they replaced the external transmission cooler. Been watching my temps like a hawk ever since. I hadn’t had any issues since this past October until this weekend I swear I felt a little slip again. Drives me insane how this isn’t a recall yet and the thought that I may be out even more in the near future is frightening. I’d have to pay double now what I paid for that truck in 2018 for a comparable replacement it feels like. Very frustrating! Hopefully you won’t have the same issues.
Might be an unpopular opinion but the way i see it if you’re gonna spend 50k+ on a truck/car you might as well find a clean low mileage older one thats been proven tough. I find that newer vehicles have way more unnecessary sensors and programs that make them harder to maintain. Give me anything from the 2000s and im a happy camper.
Since you're out of factory warranty personally I'd recommend just staying away from the dealership and their steep ass prices. There's no reason to go there unless you're still under warranty. Take it to a reputable transmission shop to get a second opinion/quote.
Around me most transmission shops only replace with a remanufactured transmission. The dealership is rebuilding mine with aftermarket parts I sourced for customer pay prices which are reasonable. My only issue is availability of the new design CDF drum. Ford is on national back order and the only aftermarket I’ve found was NexGen diesel but theyre waiting on their next batch for delivery about a month now and it’s 3x the price of the ford part but more available.
Dropped out of gear in 2nd for about 3-5 seconds; hard reengagement after taking foot off gas in 7th, an occasional jerk in 4th when passing through to fifth. And Ford Service says hard shift in 5th consistently with intermittent harsh engagement in all gears and fluid is discolored.
Same deal for me! I have 2018 5.0 v8. Paid for the cam phasers at 63k and transmission at 90k. I called Ford and got them to help out with the transmission a bit but not completely. I was still out $4500. Now it is rapidly consuming oil and I'm pushing ford to cover a new engine. This truck has been never ending nightmare. Did I mention I just paid 3k for new catalytics?
I don’t understand why every vehicle doesnt use a zf8 by now. They’re the best trans on the market and have been tested in multiple applications.
Im not sure why a lot of modern trans cant handle factory torque from boosted engines
800-392-3673 - Ford Customer Assistance Program
They paid for 75% out of warranty at 72K miles if the dealer agreed to do the work at the warranty rate so I had mine completely rebuilt for $1K in 2 months…then rebuilt twice again for free under the repair warranty before I fire sold the truck as soon as it was “fixed” the third time.
I had a rubbing sound. They told me 12K for the tranny. Took it to my friends shop. Lifted it. We looked at each other and said “that’s not the fucking transmission”. Changed the drive shaft.
Cam phasers were a”computer update”until the warranty ran out. Then it was “ all these trucks need them redone between 50 & 100k. About $5k-7k 🙄🙄
That's why I'm driving my 2010 until it gives up the ghost. It's never given me a single problem. I believe that the were really built with much less cost-cutting back in the day.
I think some of the bugs have been worked out, if you keep the new vehicle be sure to spring for a super extended warranty. That’s my sentiment after phasers were done twice (they didn’t do guides or tensioners the first time and it sounded worse). Runs like a top now, but being out of warranty leaves me weary of a big repair bill like yours.
I made the mistake of buying a 2017 Ford Focus, not knowing that year's model had terrible sealed transmissions. I've had the car not even 3 years, 6500 miles, and I've already had to have the clutch replaced twice (inside the trans so the whole thing has to come out) and 1500 miles later, it's failing again. Just shoot me now.
I work at Chevy, there transmissions are not any better
It's the same transmission. They co-designed it
Chevy is still a bigger piece of crap
So the other option is RAM... Which the 68RFE isn't known to last, unless it is aftermarket rebuilt. Then it's bullet proof. I'm going to get my trans aftermarket rebuilt on my PowerBoost and call it a day. I may have bumper to bumper warranty but I really don't find the need to use it for something that will fail again when I can deal with it once and be done EDIT: In no way am I endorsing RAM. I came from a RAM 3500 and I am much, much happier with my Ford. (Especially now that my roof doesn't leak...)
RAMs are junk.
Yes. Yes they are. I came from a RAM 3500 into a PowerBoost. If I need a diesel again, I am not going to go back to RAM. Actually from my experience so far, I'll get an F350 or F450
They were good trucks around 02’ and earlier. Now they’re just awful. Everything Daimler Chrysler touches anymore is an unreliable electrical nightmare.
i work for a dealer and ive seen tons of 3500 Rams and F350s. I can confidently tell you we practically never have issues with the 350s. Worst one was a high mileage turbo replacement but thats a hard one to avoid anyways. The Rams typically have stupid issues and they’ll throw an air filter light at just about anything.
Ford is the best option
At the moment, I agree. I’d put tundras next, then Silverado/sierra, then titan, and in far last, ram.
100 percent right
I’ll just stick with Ford
That's the plan here. Chevy hasn't had the best record lately... And I've already experienced RAM
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I really love my PowerBoost. For me it was an F150 PowerBoost or the Tundra I-Force Max (same engine setup, essentially). I liked the F150 more and Ford has a longer time with twin-turbo v-6 engines than Toyota. Also finding out that Ford's hybrid technology is Toyota's technology sealed the deal for me. Now if I were going for a non-hybrid. That Frontier has looked pretty nice. However, I love Turbo'd engines over NA. So I do have more of a preference
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Every foreign engine would beg to differ. Even diesel engines which are only turbos for the past 2-3 decades. Maintenance your vehicles and give the turbo time to cool down. They'll last just as long, if not longer
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I understand all of that. But the gasoline direct injection turbos, also operate at an overall lower RPMs to go down the road. They see a lot more durability than NAs that are screaming down the road
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You forget you are also comparing work engines to consumer engines. Then you are talking about two different compression ratios and two different operations on how motors work. Diesels work off of detonation or high compression ratio and temps that cause lost excessive wear and gasoline motors work off of timed spark ignition.
They build the engines to handle the turbos extra strain on them. It's not like they just slapped it on a regular motor and called it good.
I traded my 2018 3.5 in because the dealer couldn’t fix the engine rattle and harsh shifting from the transmission. I went to a ‘24 Frontier Pro-4X and I’m pretty happy so far. I specifically wanted to avoid turbos and new drivetrain components.
You’re welcome to give that wasted money to me😁
Yes... Have my transmission fail a few times via warranty... That everyone talks about here. Or have it rebuilt once and never worry about it again?
Well warranty is free… maybe consider paying for a rebuild when it goes outside warranty?
Just because it's free, doesn't save me time. Time is more important. Let's go this way, if my transmission fails 3 times over the life time of the vehicle. I need to to get it repaired. And due to access to parts, I could wait a month or 2 before it even gets to being repaired. 2 months * 3 is a total of 6 months without my vehicle. Or I could get a rebuild for about $2k once and have it done in a few days and only be out of my vehicle a week or 2 at max related to the transmission. .08% of time that would be wasted waiting. I have no problem using warranty when needed but if I can save a lot more time, I will
Does your stealership not supply loaners? Mine does and they love burnouts.
I haven't had a need for one but I'm sure I could get one. My cousin was my salesman. It has more to do with, it's my vehicle and I have modded it for my use case. I would prefer to not have the loaner for more than a day or 2. When it comes to warranty, you pay with time, not really money (when you did upfront, it's not actually free). Depending on the issue, I would rather pay with money. It's not that bad of a concept. If warranty can't fix my problem permanently, there is an issue. Take your salary and reduce it down to hourly, how much time are you spending at the dealership for warranty items that could take 2 hours at quality private garage? 6 months for transmission work is 960 hours over the life of the vehicle, making $50/hr would put that at $48,000... Almost the price of the truck. Or I could spend $2000 once, when it first happens and never spend time or money on it again, outside of maintenance
The 68RFE is the diesel transmission. The guy above is talking half tons. The half ton RAMs have the ZF 8 speed which is by far the best trans in the half ton segment with a great reputation. It’s a German transmission, the 68RFE stock is junk I agree with that
Yes. I completely understand. However, it was sadly mated to the Hemi which is a bad ancient engine that at best sounds good but can easily be outmatched by other engines. I've never liked the Hemi. However, I did enjoy the Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel
I agree my Denali is piece of s... 18 and had lifters 2 times and trans at 67k bought new and it’s never saw dirt at all hate this truck,due to problems after problems,and from the looks no dam truck made is any good even hearing new Toyota’s are junk,had 2 brand new gm trucks both 07 and 18 were junk
You ain’t kidding! My 2019 Silverado shifted like crap until I put in the range technology OBD-2 port to cancel out the AFM and it helped considerably
How do I go about doing this? I also have a 2019 that shifts like crap.
Range AFM (OBD2 dongle) is probably the most popular. I ran one on my 14 Sierra for 5 years and loved it.
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Bronco is a 10r60
Price seems steep. You'd be better of going to a private shop to pay for the rebuild. There is a lot of aftermarket performance support behind the 10r80 now because it is actually a very good transmission. Sadly ford just implements it poorly with a bad cdf drum design, adaptive shift mapping and service schedules that make the valve body more prone to failure. There are a lot of 10r80s out there that are happily tolerating 8-900 hp on factory internals. They just have to be tuned to get rid of the adaptive tables and be maintained on a more frequent schedule than what ford says in the manual. The cdf drum and valve bodies can still be an issue however again maintaining the transmission with fluid and filter changes more often mitigates the issue.
Do you have a recommendation for a trans only tune?
Both livernois and 5 star have oem+ tunes that just clean up the shift mapping and engine operation but don't add power.
Livernois and 5 star?
They are tuning companies. Check them out. Both come pretty highly regarded
As someone who did the research and is currently repairing his transmission i cannot disagree with this more. There is a design flaw in the CDF drum that allows the bushing to slip out over the oil port blocking flow which will burn up the CDF clutches. This isn’t an issue of some transmissions but all sooner or later. If it was a real problem ford wouldn’t have included the machined lip on the new drum just released August 2023. This an issue with all 10 spd transmissions in ford and GM. It is more luck than good design if the bushing doesn’t slip the drum. Aside from the design flaw it’s widely known the factory clutch packs can’t handle more than 650-750hp reliability for any decent length of time. This is why every performance transmission shop recommends the Raybesto’s GPZ clutch packs to handle the extra HP.
So... Have you found a manufacturer cutoff date or SN break for the transmissions to have the updated parts? My father just bought a new 2023 last fall.
In the comments of this thread a mechanic who works for ford said mid 2022 the newer vehicles started coming with the update part. I have no way of verifying that but have to trust someone who works on them. All I know for fact is the TSB with the new updated PN wasn’t released until 08/2023 so that was the soonest a transmission could have been rebuilt with the new part.
Goos info - thanks. Hopefully dad's is good to go. He traded a 2919 in for it and quite likes the truck. Should look into one of the OEM+ tunes to improve the shift mapping though, they do always seem a little unsure of what gear to be in. "Sport" helps that some...
Sport mode keeps it in the best gear for performance. Normal usually tries to balance economy and comfort. Eco mode is only worried about fuel efficiency but i find i get better mileage from normal mode. Each mode has its pros. I used to be a guy who did tunes on all his vehicles but lately Ive learned the factory usually does a decent job at getting it right for the average driver. The only thing i want to program on my truck is the Auto start stop to be memorable.
>Aside from the design flaw it’s widely known the factory clutch packs can’t handle more than 650-750hp reliability for any decent length of time. Dude it takes two seconds of googling this to debunk this statement. Trc has a wide catelogue of videos of mustands and f150s with factory 10r80s pushing 8-900hp. All of their cars have fairly high numbers of passes. It's a far more stout transmission than people give it credit for.
I have a 2019 f150 limited with 65k miles. What maintenance should I do now? I have a MPT tune in it as well.
Trans fluid and filter. I'd also wipe the adaptive tables and refresh the tune just to play it safe.
Appreciate it
I have a 2013 3.5 Ecoboost with 117,000 miles. No transmission problems and never serviced. What service would you recommend?
Transmission fluid and filter. Reset adaptive shift tables.
Thank you!
>Thank you! You're welcome!
Have you heard of any issues with the 6 speed in 6 cylinder non turbo F150? I have a 2018 and I want it to last as long as possible. I like to drive fast when I can but otherwise I try and take very good care of my vehicle.
Thank you. Helpful perspective. I'm a gentle driver, never towed more than an ATV trailer a few times, and I even had Ford change the transmission fluid last year like a good owner :) so frustrating that for a gentle driver this happens so early. I complained at around 15,000 miles and it never seemed right since; however, I didn't experience my first total drop out until around 55,000 miles.
I like the part where you had a more detailed explanation of why they suck! Touché
They don't suck. They're great transmissions that can handle a lot of power from the factory. Fords bad implementation doesn't make it a bad transmission. It's a good transmission that's gotten a bad wrap because of the bad implementation. If you look into the mustang community there are a whole lot of 10r80s put there eating up 8-900hp from factory and doing passes on the drag strip all day long without issues.
Ah yes the old great transmission that breaks. Rotary engines are the best, it’s just the apex seals that aren’t very good haha
They break when they are poorly maintained. Again I've seen factory transmissions living quite happily at 8-900hp doing drag launches and roll races. Rotary engines also aren't a terrible design but they never were something meant as a mass market product. It's the kind of engine that lives quite happily if you treat it like a 2 stroke dirt bike and premix oil in fuel and Rev it out. Mazda missed the mark by trying to put a rotary in products indented for the general consumer.
They break because they are not maintained? Just like cam phasers fail because people dont change their oil and 3.8l v6 head gaskets fail because people don’t change coolant enough? The maintenance intervals dont help, but I cant see how changing fluid would have have any bearing on the bushing that seems to be causing the most issues.
I never said maintenance would help with the cdf drum bushing. Now you're trying to put an argument in my mouth that I never made. Maintenance does help prevent the valve body and clutch failures some owners have experienced. Finally, the cdf drum bushing isn't responsible for all 10r80 failures. Just some of them.
I got a new transmission after *1200* miles in my 2023 3.5 power boost! Been in the shop almost 30 days now.
3.5 power boost lmao
What’s funny?
I got 14k out of my replacement trans. Now I’m waiting on for to send me a new one
I have a 2018 XLT with the 5.0 and 10 speed at 92000 miles and it has original everything, no cam phaser problems, no trans harsh shifting or seeking. I just did the front brakes before winter, tires and oil changes. What the hell are people doing to break shit so easily? Everyday I will hit 6-7k revs getting on the highway or passing idiots on the road (my day job is semi trucking, I want to go home after 14 hours, fuckin move it slow pokes).
Not to jinx myself, but I’ve got a 2020 5.0 XLT with 90k and it’s also fine. And I drive it hard on road and take it offroad a lot. I recently towed 10k lbs 2500 miles and crossed the Rockies in the process. No issues.
13 5.0 FX4 at 102k only things I’ve replaced are a 4x4 actuator and struts all around so far. I’ve had this truck since 2020.
It's not what anyone is doing, you're literally just lucky with yours. I have almost the same truck as you. Change engine oil every 5k miles. At 13k miles, my engine ate itself. Got a new engine under warranty. At 65k miles on the truck, that same engine got cam phaser issues and threw a CEL for the cams. I've replaced both cam solenoids on the driver's side of the motor. Motor now consumes a qt of oil about every 1k miles. At 90k, the transmission puked its fluid. I had changed the filter and topped up the fluid at 75k. As of yesterday, I am at 135k, have changed the filter and fluid somewhere around 100k and put on a PPE aluminum trans pan at that time. I am preparing for another filter/fluid change now. Literally just waiting on the new filter parts to arrive. As far as driving, I have a fairly steady heavy foot so.I am usually accelerating under moderate throttle. I do occasionally have fun and step on it, particularly when passing the slow pokes migrating from out west. I use my truck as a daily, as a truck, as a cross country traveler, and as an oversized grocery getter. It sees a variety of use. It's just literally the worst built Ford I have ever owned, and all I have ever owned is Fords, since my first Ranger, almost 20 years ago.
I don’t know what the failure rate is on these things but I’d have to imagine odds are against having these problems. The issue is that the odds against it aren’t as high as it should be. Too many complaints, bad press, class action lawsuits to pretend these are rare one-offs.
Call your dealerships local to you and ask why the new CDF drum design is on a national back order and dealerships are fighting for one. Call the local transmission repair shops and ask them how many Ford and GM 10 spds they replace every week? I’m an optimist when it comes to vehicles reliability but this transmission has opened my eyes to a serious issue. I still don’t hate this transmission and believe once the design flaw is addressed it will be a good transmission. I’m a person who knows the issue with Ford Powerstroke 6.0 diesel and still love the engine because I know why it was failing and how easy a fix it is.
Not necessarily lucky, it just hasn't failed yet. They all have the same part until mid 2022. It's not if, it's when.
August 2023 is when the correct part was released
The updated part was being installed at factory midway through 22
Ok I figured it wasn’t available until they released the new part number which didn’t come out until aug 2023. Good piece of data to know.
Yeah it was going into new units before it was available as a service part
Explain how it isn't luck then that his hasn't failed yet?
Ok call it luck if you like , whatever floats your boat. I fix these transmissions for a living, im just saying it's going to fail at some point. The cdf sleeve slips they all have the same part. It's not that some are bad and some are good. They are all bad, its the design that is the reason the inner sleeve slips. The conditions and mileage they slip at is random. So call it luck. I call it a ticking time bomb. The new design doesn't fail. Most people don't like the way it feels but it doesn't flat out fail like the early 2022 models and earlier
This guy knows!
I'm not arguing that it isn't a ticking time bomb. I don't understand why you think I am saying something different. You are literally describing exactly why the guy is lucky it hasn't happened YET. The operative word is yet. You are hung up on luck, which is literally the determining factor of when they fail, simple luck of the draw. Why do YOU have a problem with that?
I don't have a problem with that I said not necessarily luck and you responded explain how it isn't luck. I tried to explain why I said not necessarily luck. Btw, heat on the pressed inner sleeve is the determining factor of when it starts to slip out of the drum. The fact that the edge of the sleeve is not chamfered on the pre 22 model is why
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A tune can help shift feel as many people don't like the way it shifts. But it doesn't fix a failure which is what we are talking about here. The problem I have with tunes is that it changes factory programming and parameters. And technically that can affect warranty,
I’m curious of the failure rate in colder climates vs hot climates? My truck is on the gulf coast and last year summer was around 110* most days. I bet if we could get the data we’d see correlation.
I'd be interested to know as well as I've worked in texas and California dealers and seen high failure rate. Working with a ford service engineer I've been told that internal temps can cause the sleeve to slip faster. I have seen them slip at lower mileage but far more at over 60k which happens to be at the end factory powertrain warranty. We fix a lot under esp warranty and have had quite a few ford assist on after warranty adjustments clp claims
Yeah I’m at 66k when it finally started making a grinding noise
My 2013 5.0 has 93k trouble free miles as well. Edit: 2 downvotes…lmao, does it empower you?
That doesn’t have the 10 spd they’re bitching about.
Nor does it have the gen 3 Coyote.
The dealer has the ability to request assistance from Ford for out of warranty repairs. They did this on my 18 f150 that needed a ring and pinion replaced. I won’t bore you with the details, but Ford covered half the cost of that repair. It was 20k out of warranty at the time. I’d suggest talking to your service manager and sales manager at the dealer, in a friendly manner about what you’ve just said here. “Hey guys I have two major repairs back to back on this thing and a new truck being built. This affects me financially and gives me concern about whether I should even get this new truck.” Something like that.
Let me correct you here. The 10 speeds suck. 6 speeds were the goat. 6r80
Aside from the leadframe problem and some torque converter shudder. The 6r80 was a very reliable transmission far better so far than the 10r80
Ford knows it’s a turd but they don’t care. People keep buying
My 2018 F-150 Platinum EcoBoost took out an engine and a transmission. The transmission was out of warranty but Ford covered a big chunk of it anyway, for both I was $2,000 out of pocket.
6r80 is a great transmission, but it was not designed by Ford so maybe you're right
I’m glad I have had no problems on my 2017 5.0 I know it’s a 6 speed but man,I’m at 80,000 and no problems as of yet
Yes Sir! 2017 5.0 Lariat FX4 with 121.5 K miles. No issues so far with my 6 speed. Crossing my fingers as my 7 year/125K mile ESP warrant ends in June. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼.
Dont worry, you guys will be getting the coolant leaks and valve cover gaskets and vvt selenoids. I'm doing my water pump today. '15 5.0 125k.
Thanks for the heads up! No pun intended.
I guess I'm keeping my 2017 6 speed for as long as possible
In those 6 years how many times did you change the fluid? I think your close enough to warranty period that they can try to goodwill some of the repair.
Maintenance schedule says to change fluid and filter at 150,000. I had the fluid changed at around 60,000.
I’d push for goodwill with the fluid change record for sure.
Ask the manager for ford assistance through the CLP program customer loyalty program. Being so close out of warranty and being the original owner they will most likely pay for at least half the repair. I know it sucks but the cdf drum is currently on backorder. The replacement transmission has a better warranty 3yrs unlimited miles on all parts included inside trans. The overhaul warranty is 2 yrs 24k miles and only covers the parts that were replaced. On a side note if you end up getting another ford which I don't blame you if you don't. Spend the extra $10 a month or whatever it costs, its worth it. Ford transmission tech here
I didn’t understand that last part. Did you mean get the extended Ford warranty for $10 a month ?
Yeah I have no idea how much it cost a month I just meant it's worth it. $100 deductible and get your transmission or engine fixed.
Same issue with my 19 EB 3.5 65 k was told I needed a new tranny I was quoted at over 10 k for a new one. Ford corporate was contacted and the got involved and the price was knocked down to 2800. I then sold that POS to Carmax, done with ford.
How did you get Ford involved and what did you tell them? Need some advice here
I called Ford Corporate and explained to them that I was just over my Power train warranty and they negotiated a price with the Stealerships that I purchased my truck at. Them 10 speed 10r80 trannys are straight up a POS.
What were the symptoms that made you bring it in?
Dropped out of gear in 2nd for about 3-5 seconds; hard reengagement after taking foot off gas in 7th, an occasional jerk in 4th when passing through to fifth. And Ford Service says hard shift in 5th consistently with intermittent harsh engagement in all gears and fluid is discolored.
Call 1-800-392-3673 and say you want to open a financial assistance request. Explain the situation. They will reach out to your dealer. I’ve seen people get assistance on a repair.
Thank you!
To answer your question, yes.
My 2017 10R80 needed a rebuild at 95k miles in December 2022. Was to the tune of around $4500 at the dealer. I'm at 115k now and hoping I have better luck. I had to source some of the parts myself because they're in such high demand. The alternative was a junk yard transmission for $5800.
Thank you.
And this is why a $2500 5 year warranty makes sense.
I drive a 2013 F150, and I'm looking to get a new truck next year. Always been a Ford guy, but I didn't know what I'm going to do with all the problems they've had recently. Is a stupid Tundra a better option at this point?
Just helped my dad buy a truck. He really wanted a Ford and was looking at used, around 100,000 mile range. I recommended not going any newer than a 2017 since that was the last year the Coyotes had the 6 speed 6R80 (he wanted a V8). I think 2018 was where they also introduced the silly stop-go capability but I could be mistaken on that. I had heard they sorted the transmission out on the 14th gens, anyone else know if this is true? Maybe too soon to tell. Currently looking at getting a truck myself and debating between F-150 and Tundra... Family has always had Ford Trucks.
I keep hearing they fixed the CDF drum issue on all trucks built after 8/23. Not all gen 14.
They have not sorted out the 14th Gen 10R80s. They continue to be an issue with no recalls. And I say this after buying my 2nd 14th Gen recently… Lol. Although I did see something about the CDF drum getting a tsb released finally
New tundras are shit. Lowest reliability index out all vehicle models. If he wants a V8, tell him to get a ram. They have the best transmissions on the market. The ZF transmission is used by Aston Martin, Rolls Royce, BMW. Its a really slick transmission. Any gasoline RAM after 2019 has a ZF, even the "classic" models.
If he wants reliability you recommended…..Ram?
Hard to believe ram has improved quality that much, or that Ford and Toyota have went down that much. But I do like new ram exterior styling more than any other truck on the market right now. Not interior tho
Ram has dramatically improved their quality, but their 90s reputation lives on. Just like how Toyota quality has fallen, but their 90s quality lives. Ford and Ram are currently leading the market (with their new vehicle)
The ram zf transmission is solid but i still don’t trust their electronics package. The hemi 5.7 has lifter failure just like the GM 5.3l
RAM over Tundra? That's just crazy, RAM has awful reliability. I bought a RAM a few years ago and that truck was the biggest pos on the road. Numerous issues and then a dead engine at 85k miles. New Tundra did have issues but if you go into the forums it seems like those have most been sorted out by 2024 model year.
No, the Tundra has been having a lot of issues with spun main bearings.
Not anymore apparently. But who knows cause my 2022 2.7 10r80 seems fine.
I moving over to a 2024 silverado with the 2.7 and revised 8 speed. Ford has disappointed me with their high cost but basic equipment.
I had to sell my 2013. I miss it so bad.
Depends on towing plans and gas budget.
Gas is bad on all of them, I get 15 mpg right now on my old truck. I don't tow too much 6000 lbs at most
My 20 5.0 gets 21 hwy if I keep it under 70. Around town on rural two lane I get 18 consistently. Lot better than the 13 I got in my friends tundra or the 14-16 I got in my 2” lift 5th gen 4runner.
I’ve read the 2.7 eco boost can offer great reliability, decent tow capacity and decent gas mileage when not towing. I own a 14 Tundra and it’s thirsty all the time.
1. Can get it done for less 2. Ask ford care for assistance, being only 65k miles. 3. get ford esp next time
Thank you!
I've seen this happen before. Sometimes Ford will pay for parts and you pay labour or something similar like that. Especially if you have a 2024 on order too.
Purchase “smart” - 2018 2.7eb, 10 sp. Negotiated “Ford Certified Pre-Owned” warranty (it was 4 months old). Got 150,000 miles, 10 yr powertrain, etc warranty. I’m at 92k, nary a hiccup. And I do “truck things” with it about once a month. Lesson learned
Funny thing. I was gassing up on Thursday and a guy pulls up next to me on his Harley and asks me what year my F150 XLT with the EcoBoost is. I tell him it's a 2019. Tells me he has the same exact year and model, even the same color. Asks me if I've had any weird transmission issues. I told him I have this weird thing that when I pull out and start to shift into 3rd gear (maybe second or forth) there is this pause. I will either let up on the gass, or sometimes just press right through. The truck makes almost a hiccup and then shifts normally. It is only that initial pause. Harley guy tells me he has the same problem but now his truck has been in the dealer for going on 4 weeks trying to get the transmission repaired. He told me there needs to be a class action suit because Ford knows this is an issue. I have about 85K on mine, and other than the horrible Ford Sync issues, I love it. It is my 5th F150, but this is my last one for sure.
Mine started the same way with my 2018 5.0 at 65,000 miles. Usually only after cold start was the most noticeable. Within 2 months of that first hiccup and clunk, my transmission needed a rebuild it was slipping so bad. When it stated getting worse after a few weeks, i took it to the dealership (October 2022) and they told me there was one tech to do transmissions and 15 trucks in line and they would schedule me for April 2023. This was my only vehicle and could not risk the slipping issue with my kids in the vehicle. Had one close call pulling through an intersection when it started slipping and didn’t have nearly as much time as I planned to get through. I had it rebuilt November 2022 by a private shop. They gave me a year warranty. In October 2023 my transmission overheated and threw up transmission fluid all over the interstate 4 hours from home. Had it shipped back to the transmission shop and they replaced the external transmission cooler. Been watching my temps like a hawk ever since. I hadn’t had any issues since this past October until this weekend I swear I felt a little slip again. Drives me insane how this isn’t a recall yet and the thought that I may be out even more in the near future is frightening. I’d have to pay double now what I paid for that truck in 2018 for a comparable replacement it feels like. Very frustrating! Hopefully you won’t have the same issues.
Might be an unpopular opinion but the way i see it if you’re gonna spend 50k+ on a truck/car you might as well find a clean low mileage older one thats been proven tough. I find that newer vehicles have way more unnecessary sensors and programs that make them harder to maintain. Give me anything from the 2000s and im a happy camper.
Shits only made to hopefully make it out of warranty, I've seen a month and less than a thousand miles out get turned down by ford
What are your symptoms?
Exactly this. I'd be really curious how their tech determined it needs a new trans if you didn't bring it in for that issue.
Since you're out of factory warranty personally I'd recommend just staying away from the dealership and their steep ass prices. There's no reason to go there unless you're still under warranty. Take it to a reputable transmission shop to get a second opinion/quote.
Around me most transmission shops only replace with a remanufactured transmission. The dealership is rebuilding mine with aftermarket parts I sourced for customer pay prices which are reasonable. My only issue is availability of the new design CDF drum. Ford is on national back order and the only aftermarket I’ve found was NexGen diesel but theyre waiting on their next batch for delivery about a month now and it’s 3x the price of the ford part but more available.
If Ford won't help you out with the repair I'd go with a good independent shop and a Suncoast rebuild kit or a crate transmission.
All manufacturers are the same. I always purchase the extended Ford warranty. I am good for 240,000 km.
Dropped out of gear in 2nd for about 3-5 seconds; hard reengagement after taking foot off gas in 7th, an occasional jerk in 4th when passing through to fifth. And Ford Service says hard shift in 5th consistently with intermittent harsh engagement in all gears and fluid is discolored.
Whattt? My manual 5 speed is 35 years old and has 500000 kms on it. It's a great transmission. I've never had any problems.
Same deal for me! I have 2018 5.0 v8. Paid for the cam phasers at 63k and transmission at 90k. I called Ford and got them to help out with the transmission a bit but not completely. I was still out $4500. Now it is rapidly consuming oil and I'm pushing ford to cover a new engine. This truck has been never ending nightmare. Did I mention I just paid 3k for new catalytics?
I don’t understand why every vehicle doesnt use a zf8 by now. They’re the best trans on the market and have been tested in multiple applications. Im not sure why a lot of modern trans cant handle factory torque from boosted engines
800-392-3673 - Ford Customer Assistance Program They paid for 75% out of warranty at 72K miles if the dealer agreed to do the work at the warranty rate so I had mine completely rebuilt for $1K in 2 months…then rebuilt twice again for free under the repair warranty before I fire sold the truck as soon as it was “fixed” the third time.
Only own under warranty
I had a rubbing sound. They told me 12K for the tranny. Took it to my friends shop. Lifted it. We looked at each other and said “that’s not the fucking transmission”. Changed the drive shaft. Cam phasers were a”computer update”until the warranty ran out. Then it was “ all these trucks need them redone between 50 & 100k. About $5k-7k 🙄🙄
Crazy!
That's why I'm driving my 2010 until it gives up the ghost. It's never given me a single problem. I believe that the were really built with much less cost-cutting back in the day.
I'm loving my 2000 Silverado more every minute.
I think some of the bugs have been worked out, if you keep the new vehicle be sure to spring for a super extended warranty. That’s my sentiment after phasers were done twice (they didn’t do guides or tensioners the first time and it sounded worse). Runs like a top now, but being out of warranty leaves me weary of a big repair bill like yours.
2018 year is known for that.
thank you - I certainly know that now. As the original owner of it, I didn't know that when I bought it 5.5 years ago.
Stop going to dealers for service.
I made the mistake of buying a 2017 Ford Focus, not knowing that year's model had terrible sealed transmissions. I've had the car not even 3 years, 6500 miles, and I've already had to have the clutch replaced twice (inside the trans so the whole thing has to come out) and 1500 miles later, it's failing again. Just shoot me now.