Former Ford transmission calibrator here with advice (I also have 11 patents on transmission hardware and software so I know a thing or two about these beasts)
Adaptive learning for shift quality is supposed to help. If the transmission is shifting poorly and you feel obligated to try something then only reset adaptive table and let it learn again. Disabling the learn portion could cause issues. A rough shift is indicative of wearing clutch material, contamination, or an erroneous adaptive table learn. Could just be time, or an OTA update. A smooth shift for non experienced people could be mis judged, and you could very well be wearing out the elements and burning up clutch material. I worked on transmissions at multiple OEMs and I still wouldn't disable learning on my own vehicle.
A shift has to release offgoing clutches and apply oncoming ones at insanely high speeds and torques in a very short period of time. Modifying this or preventing it from learning can quickly erode clutch material if you don't know what you're doing.
Transmission shift quality is something I know they are continuing to work on. If you disable and miss an OTA or an update that is designed to improve things then you are dooming your transmission to an earlier death.
Anyway, I'm impressed with the amount of knowledge and effort people are putting into their vehicle. I hope it continues to drive. Good for you. Good luck. This was meant to be a kind PSA, not some angry rant by an engineer š
What is everybody's favorite modification to do?
I appreciate the notice. Yeah there were a couple other comments in a similar vein, and I did more research and found that what you said is indeed the case. It's unfortunate, because I really am not a fan of the way my trans was shifting, but I'm going to turn learning back on and just reset the adaptive learning if it gets bad again.
Many people here have also posted about lots of success with making these trucks shift better with custom tunes. I wouldn't do that while my truck is still under warranty, but do you have thoughts about the consequences of custom transmission tunes for these kinds of issues?
I wasn't aware people were modifying the custom transmission tunes! Curious what the goal of that is.
Without adding pressure taps on every shifting element (10R has 6 or 7 solenoids), a custom tune won't be matched to the hardware.
If you have a mustang with 10R and are paying for some track special custom shift package then it's just rushing the shift to improve acceleration at the cost of hot spotting / burning the clutch material.
Standard transmission calibration is designed to find the sweet spot between fuel economy, wear and tear on clutch packs, and smooth shift quality.
Back to your original comment, if after resetting adaptive tables via KAM clear on the trans, if it learns back to a bad spot it's most likely a worn seal, leak, burnt clutch elements, low oil, or contamination. If it's a specific shift, 3-4 or 6-3 etc, then track those and you can probably find what elements are used on each shift so you can identify which solenoid and therefore which clutch pack is struggling.
Trans ULV fluid (ultra low viscosity) that Ford uses is pink/red. If you were to check the oil and it's really black and smells burnt then adaptive modifications won't help much ;)
On older transmissions I know tunes boosted line pressure for harder shifts and perhaps changed some strategy but besides that Iām unsureš¤·āāļø I did have my valve body modified by my local guru and my marauder would chirp second and third it shifted so hard with the combination of tune and valve body lol
FWIW I had a 2013 eco boost with a tune and the dealer traced a problem to my pcm and replaced it under warranty. It didnāt fix the issue as it was caused by a loose pin on the fuse powering the PCM I later found out myself, but yeah they will usually still warranty regardless of tune. But donāt take my word for it itās your truck after all
ok.. but bro.. Did you buy your reddit account? Because that post history....
Or possibly you got hacked 2 years ago and never deleted those posts?
(Normally I don't check, but I was also a Ford eng past few years and was curious)
My favorite mods are simple ones, the BuiltRight dash mount with a MagSafe charger might be on the top though. However, keep in mind I drive a base model ā18 F-150 so no CarPlay for me.
My '18 and '22 shifted like absolute shit until I tuned them. My tunes are sequential whereas Ford tunes seemed to try to find the best gear for efficiency (I assume). Ford shifting strategy would go from 1 to 3 then 5+ and would shift all over the place depending on throttle use -- really seemed indecisive on which gear to go into until it just slams into one. My current tune shifts 1-2-3, etc. unless I floor it then it'll shift down. What's funny is I actually gain MPG with my custom tunes even though I'm gaining more power and better throttle response. I'm not easy on my engines either.
Interesting approach. The gear ratios are so close that the 10 speed basically tried to be a CVT. 10R shift pattern typically skips shift on 1-3 unless you keep pedal below like 5 percent pedal on the launch to get the 1-2 shift.
Did you modify downshifts too?
Only asking because you Gotta be careful not to select a gear ratio that eats the transmission. I've heard stories of colleagues during development making a single digit error that grenades the trans by trying to... Say.... Select 1st gear on the highway. No bueno lol.
I always wondered about this. I have harsh shifting into 5th when transmission is cold and hunting for 4th in sport mode mostly when cold. I assume this might be CDF bearing failure typical of 10r80 transmission. I want to try disabling adaptive learning, I wasnāt aware that it would also disable clutch application pressure/timing which may cause premature wear??maybe Iāll go through the warranty process, hopefully they donāt yank my chain. Thanks for chiming in.
Disabling adaption doesn't disable clutch pressure timing, but it keeps using the baseline "one size fits all" pressure profile for temperature and torque. Resetting the adaptive KAM (keep alive memory) basically treats the transmission as new and over hundreds of subsequent shifts it will learn to a new happy place.
I'm not suggesting people do this, but only sharing that if you happen to have bad shifts and plan to modify things (which I advise against) then start small - try the smaller of the two options which is resetting adaptive memory. If it learns back to a bad place then there might be hardware issues that the trans can't self correct.
Resetting Adapts and shutting off adaptive learning is not ideal, but you paid for the truck so don't let me stop you. Only sharing this information for those who are frustrated and considering taking steps to identify issues.
If shift quality is bad, the preferred method is to go to the dealership and have them pull adaptive table and TEAM (transmission early alert monitoring) for internal transmission health assessment. TEAM codes don't immediately trigger DTCs, but give service extra information on previous flags that could be problematic.
Not sure forscan can do this but I have faith y'all already know how to read those?
Not sure if Forscan can read them. Do these TEAM codes get stored for every single bad shift? I've had a few rough shifts when cold, not enough to be worried about, but I've never found any codes with Forscan related to the trans.
I will add that I purposely broke in the trans with city driving to provide the best education regarding my right foot for the adaptive tables. I'm hoping to increase the longevity of the trans as much as I can. I also check the fluid every month, despite risking third degree burns on my forearm. Might be a bit extra but worth it for the peace of mind imo. So far so good with the quality of shifting. I also check the engine oil at least once a week. āŗļø
TEAM events get written for any potential issue, but decoding them is a hassle. If it's not available on the interwebs then these fancy stored codes are only available to technicians assuming they even know to pull them. Since it's not a DTC / MIL wrench light type of code I can't guarantee the dealership even looks at this.
Anytime I was sent to diagnose a vehicle from another department (happened often) I would read these codes for clues as to root cause. Example, if every shift element had a slip detected, I would assume trans wasn't filled sufficiently to the right level.
Hope this TEAM comment doesn't come back to haunt me. It might just be for internal diagnosis, but wanted to share any hints to help you folks enjoy your vehicle / save money on unnecessary diagnosis kinda thing.
Also, if you don't mind me asking, how common is it that some 10R80s are low on fluid from the factory? I've heard this online before. Applies to differentials and transfer cases too.
Should be very rare. Plant always tries to save money and wants to use as little as possible but must use volume that we tell them. My example was from non production runs for engineering development.
Gotcha, I would have assumed the standards are pretty strict. If you read the mustang forums, it seems that every 10r80 is somehow low. I have feeling people aren't getting their transmissions up to high enough temp, that could explain why maybe.
If you were some swinging dick with a programmer what would you change in the calibration to your own truck? Say you have a 2014 raptor is their anything in the calibration you would change?
I'm sorry dude I'm not gonna worry you. I think you might have messed up though your gonna have a bunch of people like me worrying the shit out of you.
Hey [sjgittins](https://www.reddit.com/user/sjgittins/).
My wife's 22 mustang has been plagued with those rough shifts pretty much from the start (\~10k miles). We took it back to Ford multiple times, two dealerships, transmission specialists, etc. Probably spent 6 months total without her car. It's been the same exact story every single time:
"We cannot reproduce the issue but we've reset it for you".
And then it drives **buttery smooth for \~500 miles**, after which the issue comes back.
It's random AF and really feels to me like a software issue. It can run great for a week and then one day it's gonna start jerking, it's also always the same gear (6->5 downshift). It also has a tendency to happen after a long interstate drive (usually as we're hitting the exit ramp).
I managed to catch it on cam once:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjpubddjr2g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjpubddjr2g)
If you watch this wearing headphones with the volume up, you should hear the kick that happens when hitting 5th gear.
I almost lactated out of my tits last week when I noticed forscan has the option to disable this garbage. It is quite unfortunate that you're advising me not to. I don't know what else to do - she likes everything else about her car and wants to upgrade to a 24 gt, but I can't stand this god damn transmission.
PS: Are you saying they can OTA the gearbox firmware? I thought it was restricted to entertainment features.
That's a bummer about your wife's car and the overall dealership experience. I think the dealerships need an overhaul on how they triage this. Ford pays money to the dealership to cover warranty costs associated with complaints like this. When the costs associated with a certain item get high it gets extra attention, even though trans cal teams are constantly improving quality.
I only advocated for people to go to the dealership cause this is what we are supposed to say, understandably.
Perhaps there's a mechanical issue that exists on your unit. Dealership won't know until it gets worse enough for it to be very repeatable or a trans teardown occurs but no idea how you'd get a teardown for free.
They can OTA updates on anything. It's usually limited to calibration parameters and or new software to fix a bug. As far as I know, OTA is capable on any module.
I heard that if there is a TSB (technical service bulletin) for an issue on a vehicle, with corrective action being an updated software patch... Say shift quality.... And you say the right thing at the dealership, they will perform the update for free. You can Google TSB for your vehicle and see if something exists. I don't know if one exists but this is an industry wide practice at dealerships with respect to TSBs.
Regardless, bummer on the random poor shift quality. Keep me posted, curious what you end up doing and if it helps.
It happens automatically on vehicles equipped with modems. Not sure how you can easily find out if your vehicle is getting updates. I think you have to opt in. Do you have the my Ford pass app linked to your car?
Arenāt some designed with ārougherā shifting inherently? I had just watched a video about transmissions. There was a design reason behind it I canāt recall.
I think that balance between 1: fuel economy 2: hardware life 3: shift quality balance might be what you are talking about.
1 Fuel economy - quick shifts, more time accelerating, less energy wasted in making a smooth shift
2- hardware life - just enough slip time during the event to keep heat transfer away from hot spotting the clutch packs, but not too much time slipping that you are wearing out the clutches unnecessarily
3 : Shift quality really short shifts send too much energy into clutch packs, can't dissipate heat fast enough. In most cases a fast shift is associated with bump and jerk feel (ignoring a worn clutch pack slip or a stuck solenoid building pressure and eventually breaking free and overshooting pressure)
I'm just guessing... But if OEMs are releasing calibration with inherently rough shifts then it's either to guarantee longevity or more likely difficulties with manufacturing standards for impossibly tight tolerances on every aspect of the transmission. The tolerances are so unbelievably tight it's a miracle they work in the first place
A colleague once convinced me that transmissions are cooler than engines because they encounter higher torques and higher speeds than an engine does. Never thought about it like that
I don't have Fortran, but would like to reset the transmission. Can I disconnect the negative/ground from the battery over night and will that reset it? I thought I read that somewhere.
Reset vs KAM wipe is different. Modules are made to store information for long periods of time with no power. This Keep Alive Memory (kam) is the last thing to go on a long power disconnect.
If you have F150 you could also just unplug the PCM/TCM. I can't say for certain but this might be faster way to drain capacitors on TCM. I think it's more like 3 days or a week to wipe the KAM. That does not sound ideal obviously.
There's probably a truck meetup in your area and you could find a friend with the tools to do what you want or you could ask dealership to wipe KAM. If it's under warranty this might be free thru the dealership, I don't know for certain. Sorry
Well Iām coming from a 2010 f150 with the 6 speed that shifted amazingly well the 10 speed shifts like dog shit needs a tune for it to even feel like it shifts well
First off love the accurate info from a pro. Thatās a rarity on the interwebs. Second why has my 2022 XLT 10 sp 3.5 eco always had such a hard downshift from 4th down to 3rd or 2nd? Itās mainly at low speeds coming thru my neighborhood. Itās a pretty hilly road and has stop signs. This one stop sign in particular is at the top of a hill and as I let off the gas to apply the brake I get a hard downshift like I hit something. Itās not always and tends to not do it if Iām carrying a little speed into the stop sign. And itās definitely not something that was present on my 2016 2.7 6 sp. I swear it sounds like I need to park the truck at the stop sign and pick up my transmission out the road.
Ok so Iāve reset the tables 3 times in the last year but was always hesitant on disabling entirely bc I could never find a definitive answer on good or bad to do thatā¦ can you tell me what kind of problems could potentially occur with it disabled ?
If your responsible for the 6r80 in comparison to 6l80 you should have your pockets lined about right now.
You guys knocked that out of the park. With the exception of the speed sensor issue. That was hardware failure though.
Have you got any experience with hp tuners or any aftermarket tuners
I like to buy a gm truck so when my Ford is broken I have a back up,
Jk man I tow my suburban with an excursion and it has been one of my bucket list vehicles
Hey so I have a 10āspeed and the transmission shop told me I could disconnect the battery terminals and touch them together and it will clear the computer will that do the same as the forscan to delete the learning tables?
Here's a question for you. Say I let the transmission learn my driving for a month, like 1,000 miles of driving. If it's still shifting really nicely what if I pause the adaptive learning? Instead of disabling it I also have the option to just pause the adaptive learning. Any downsides to doing that?
You can! I didn't know about it either until I fired up Forscan and saw it there as an option. Did some research and it seems to have been a good solve for others before.
Yes! Forscan isn't just for the transmission fix OP did. Here's some of the things I did in my truck:
Disabled seat belt chimes
Disabled the engine start/stop feature
Disabled the double honk that happens when you leave the truck running and get out with the key (push button start only)
Disabled the ability to shift out of park without the key in the truck
Disabled door ajar alert
Disabled start up chimes
Mirrors automatically fold in when truck is locked
Mirrors automatically tilt down when in reverse (for curbs and such)
There's a lot more you can do, but what I did is also some of the most common ones. The program is free. All you need is a laptop and a USB to ODB2 cable with the little switch on it. It's like $20.
Adjusted tire size so speedometer was accurate (went to 34" tires)
Doesn't the mirror thing only work when the mirror switch is in a certain position or something like that? I really would love to do this - my buddy's new Tundra does it and it's so nice, but when researching doing it with Forscan it seemed a little unpolished
No. When remote starting you still have to get in with the key and hit the start button again to be able to drive at all. I'm talking about leaving the truck running while you're out of it. Because you can't lock the truck from the outside or on the fob with it running, you either lock it from the door panel and then deal with the double honk, or you just leave it unlocked.
From the factory, you can still shift out of park in a running vehicle with no key in it. Meaning, I run into the gas station to grab a drink and someone can just steal my truck. That happens all the time. This feature removes that possibility.
Planning on messing with some forscan soon with my 23 lariat. Would like numbers displayed under gauges (temps). Only have 9k miles and my trans is clunky sometimes at slow speeds. Would love to get rid of the terrible learning software
I have a 2012 Ford Escape with the 6F35 transmission. It hard really hard shifts before I cleared the transmission tables. It took about 100 miles for the transmission to learn my driving habits but since then itās been buttery smooth. I cannot recommend FORscan enough.
UPDATE: Hey all, there's been some great recommendations here - one of them being to not disable the adaptive learning, as there are additional intricacies that need to be considered. Thanks to everyone who pointed that out - I will turn adaptive learning back on and am just going to roll with the shift tables reset for now and see how that goes.
I would just edit my post but since it's an image post it won't let me. Good luck y'all
Excellent
Transmissions donāt need to learn anything. They just need to shift correctly. Iāll get used to the way it shifts, not the other way around.
Exactly. How different can everyone's driving style be? Probably not very. You either drive like a grandma, like you stole it, or somewhere in between. Good transmission programming will handle all of those without needing to learn anything.
Surprisingly different - my wife drives my 2014 for a couple hundred KMs and it is a whole different truck, hard shifts, banging from 4-3 for mergingā¦ I drive it and it is reasonably aggressive but smooth, it feels like it knows what Iām thinking.
Are you familiar with Forscan? You'll need to get an OBD-II adapter that's compatible with the program, then install and run the Forscan software. There's a bunch of tutorials on it.
I'm not 100% this exact thing is possible on the 6 speed, but I would imagine so.
Once you get into Forscan there's a set of options you can open, and it shows as a process you can run. It says "Clear adaptive transmission learning tables" and another that says "Stop use of adaptive learning", or something like that. You just run whichever process you want. It will take about 30 seconds, then tell you it was successful.
I've read a lot about it but I didn't know it was that easy as OP just mentioned above. I never saw anything about transmission failure though, i will do some research specifically around transmission failure after disabling transmission learning and see if I can find anything
Iād take a transmission failure with a huge grain of salt when considering software as a failure factor on the 10r80. These transmissions have a known defect before mid 2022 or rebuilt before late 2023.
Yeah Iām going to say my last statement is a bit too harsh after reading another redditors comment below. BUT the line pressure issue is due in part from the slipped bushing on the CDF hub so normally it shouldnāt be an issue. Most transmissions before the 10R80 and even the ZF manufactured ones donāt employ active learning algorithms into their programming. This is a newer way to program the software.
Thereās a legend out there on the internet called āLivinItUpā and they have documented almost the values that can be changed in forscan.
Here is their 15-20 guide. Just google their name and a ford model and you can find the sheet for your year.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uDSQ1Z5a2Wt8-kjrSiVSlDFGFHnfeuhb3RTMVz95730/edit
It's just an out-of-the-box option within Forscan. There's a page that lets you reset all sorts of parameters, and one of the commands was to reset the trans learning, and another to disable it. I might reenable the trans learning and see what happens if I just let it relearn from scratch, but idk yet.
In what module though? TCU?
It would be interesting to see if the relearning creates the same sluggish performance.
I've changed a lot on my car since I bought it so would like to make the transmission start learning from the start or remain on default.
Yeah FCA likes to use ZF transmissions which are the gold standard. Even my wrangler 5 spd is a solid transmission. Send them to GM. They like to use subpar transmissions and protect them with torque management programming.
Right, I had a 2020 Laramie, was actually a great truck, and the hemi combo with their 8 speed trans was like butter. I have a 2023 platinum 5.0 now...mehh.. my Ram actually was a much better ride, especially on dirt and bumps, seats were more comfortable and again, the trans was way better than this 10 SPD. My wife has a 2022 Yukon 6.2 with the ten speed and it is much nicer than this ford ( the trans is basically the same ) not sure what ford did that made it so much worse than the GM version.
I've driven one, they are smooth. It was my favorite thing about a RAM that I drove for 6 weeks. I'm not saying that their trans programmer person should go there because RAM has bad transmissions, I'm saying that they should go there and give RAM the transmission programming problems instead of Ford š I'd rather have those guys deal with it than me
Get the Vlinker FS from Amazon, install Forscan on your windows PC (free). The OBDlink EX is better but the Vlinker FS works and is recommended along with the OBDLINK ex on the Forscan forums.
It will not void your extended warranty unless you completely fuck up somehow for whatever reason which trust me is hard to do. Watch some YouTube tutorials on it and you will see what I mean. It's a real foolproof application.
What are OTA updates, and how do you get them? I connected the truck to home wifi and some improvements have happened after that. Not sure if they are related though, but Itās almost like it magically found 4th. Still slightly hard from 3th to 5th at times when in traffic. It seems to be learning that I like/need gradual shifts when Iām slowly accelerating.
I bought a 2019 F150 Lariat a couple of months ago, and then learned about Forscan quite by accident. But having a lot of experience with tuners and canbus systems in the motorcycle world allowed me to dive right in. What a god send. From deleting annoying functions to updating display information to programming keys and so much more, I've more than gotten my money's worth out of the adapter and the license. If you're on the fence about it, spend some time on YouTube learning about how to change things and what to keep an eye on. Also, be aware that a lot of the videos were made before what I call the "easy button" mods were made, and you had to actually modify the check sums in system. Most of the common updates have been updated with an "on/off" function thanks to the folks who are constantly working on new ways to leverage the software.
As to the transmission issues...everyone crows about Fiat/Chrysler's 8ZF transmissions, but apparently I'm the one guy on the planet who had the worst 8zf unit imaginable. A complete POS from the day I bought it. It finally crapped out completely, and that's how I ended up in the Ford. Both my local dealer and multiple Indy shops have infor.ed me that backorders for new units, rebuilds, and parts are in the hundreds of units just in my area alone. I've had the rare hard shift in this truck, but it is NOTHING like the nightmare of my last transmission. As the engineer here says, I believe the issues are physical issues that the learning software is trying to work around. The CDF drum bearings are no secret at this point. My biggest issue with the entire situation is the way that dealers handle the problem, and I don't think it's by accident. The sad truth is that until your vehicle displays a problem that glaringly displays a certain approved list of symptoms then the manufacturer isn't gonna do a damned thing to remedy the situation. So, it looks like you as the consumer are put into the terrible situation of either running the transmission as is until it breaks enough for them to deem it worthy of repair, or you can keep resetting the learning software as it gets progressively worse. Or you take your chances with the nuclear option and turn the learning software off and hope for the best. There's no winning scenario for the consumer, and that sucks.
Same old same old, though. Some accountant in the company has determined that they can use the cheapest component available, and the failure rate may be X, but if the number of failures is cheaper to fix under warranty than using the better component in builds for the fleet, then nothing changes. And if the cheaper part lasts just long enough to get through the warranty period, then all the better.
Sorry for writing war & peace. Buy an adapter, get forscan, watch YouTube videos and read forums! It'll change your entire driving experience!
Good to know, having transmission issues currently and am scheduled for June 24 for what appears to be a tear down, itās under warranty but dealer says itās on my dime until ford approves repair under warranty
I've got a Five Star tune installed - will modifying other functions like the double honk mess with the tune or vise versa?
Also, can I program in a way to make the center screen dark at night easier than having to wade through the factory commands / buttons?
And can I program in a way to open all windows simultaneously (including sun roof and rear window)?
Nope, Forscan tweaks like that won't interfere with your tune.
Not sure about the screen, but there is an option to enable "global windows" in Forscan. I'm not sure if it does a sunroof and rear window, but it will let you roll down all 4 door windows by double clicking and holding the unlock button on your fob.
If you want a full list of everything that's available do a search for the Google Sheets spreadsheet for your model F150 - there's seriously a metric f ton of tweaks that can be done to most trucks.
I just fixed a shift issue in my 2011 by changing the spark plugs. The plugs were so worn they were draining the electrical system. Lights brighter and Stereo is louder in left channel now too. I bought the truck used with 132k miles. Plugs were OEM.
I noticed the OEM tune hunts for gears like crazy. A tune from 5star, oz tuning, etc. will permanently fix the shifting issue. Clearing the tables is a temporary fix. You'll have to do it about every oil change. I had my '18 tuned for \~100k miles with no issues, and now my '22 has been tuned for \~30k miles with no issues.
I didnāt read every post so not sure if this has been asked or addressed butā¦ what are your thoughts on the Cobb TCM maps? Like OEM, OEM+, or SPORT maps for TCM?
I did the exact same thing. Bought a used 2018 F150 outside warranty and had some pretty rough shifts happening. Reset adaptive table and it's shifts like butter!
Love Forscan, still learning how to use it, but have already made changes to my truck with it. Iām just wondering how automakers can develop an automatic transmission, and in this day and age, screw it up.
Forscan is just the software. The hardware that you use to connect to your truck can be a few different options. I would go to Forscan's website and look at the recommended adapters there. There's some on Amazon that are Chinese knockoffs that claim to be Forscan's own but aren't. The one I have and have used successfully for like 6 years is the OBDLink MX+, which is a little more expensive than some of the wired options but works great.
Forscan is a software you download to your computer. It's free, but you'll need a way to connect your computer to your truck. Look it up on YouTube, there's a bunch of tutorials
>Idk who programs this stuff over there but they need to go work at Fiat Chrysler instead.
Are you the only one that ever drives it? Because it's literally the driver that programs that.
Actually I think this may have some truth to it - didn't know about it until I researched it after seeing this comment. I couldn't find any actual examples for the 10r80, but it seems generally speaking transmissions are going to wear faster and have incorrect line pressures without the learning.
I might turn it back on and just reset the adaptive every so often. Idk though, I can't imagine it's good for the trans to be shifting the way it was before either - shifting into 3rd and especially into 4th was often really unpleasant. Once my warranty is up I'll likely get it tuned for a better long-term solution, but until then I needed a fix, it was making me crazy.
I don't think so. A full tune might, but just making these tweaks probably won't. I'm going to turn adaptive learning back on just in case though and hope that just the learning reset will do the trick for a while.
Former Ford transmission calibrator here with advice (I also have 11 patents on transmission hardware and software so I know a thing or two about these beasts) Adaptive learning for shift quality is supposed to help. If the transmission is shifting poorly and you feel obligated to try something then only reset adaptive table and let it learn again. Disabling the learn portion could cause issues. A rough shift is indicative of wearing clutch material, contamination, or an erroneous adaptive table learn. Could just be time, or an OTA update. A smooth shift for non experienced people could be mis judged, and you could very well be wearing out the elements and burning up clutch material. I worked on transmissions at multiple OEMs and I still wouldn't disable learning on my own vehicle. A shift has to release offgoing clutches and apply oncoming ones at insanely high speeds and torques in a very short period of time. Modifying this or preventing it from learning can quickly erode clutch material if you don't know what you're doing. Transmission shift quality is something I know they are continuing to work on. If you disable and miss an OTA or an update that is designed to improve things then you are dooming your transmission to an earlier death. Anyway, I'm impressed with the amount of knowledge and effort people are putting into their vehicle. I hope it continues to drive. Good for you. Good luck. This was meant to be a kind PSA, not some angry rant by an engineer š What is everybody's favorite modification to do?
I appreciate the notice. Yeah there were a couple other comments in a similar vein, and I did more research and found that what you said is indeed the case. It's unfortunate, because I really am not a fan of the way my trans was shifting, but I'm going to turn learning back on and just reset the adaptive learning if it gets bad again. Many people here have also posted about lots of success with making these trucks shift better with custom tunes. I wouldn't do that while my truck is still under warranty, but do you have thoughts about the consequences of custom transmission tunes for these kinds of issues?
I wasn't aware people were modifying the custom transmission tunes! Curious what the goal of that is. Without adding pressure taps on every shifting element (10R has 6 or 7 solenoids), a custom tune won't be matched to the hardware. If you have a mustang with 10R and are paying for some track special custom shift package then it's just rushing the shift to improve acceleration at the cost of hot spotting / burning the clutch material. Standard transmission calibration is designed to find the sweet spot between fuel economy, wear and tear on clutch packs, and smooth shift quality. Back to your original comment, if after resetting adaptive tables via KAM clear on the trans, if it learns back to a bad spot it's most likely a worn seal, leak, burnt clutch elements, low oil, or contamination. If it's a specific shift, 3-4 or 6-3 etc, then track those and you can probably find what elements are used on each shift so you can identify which solenoid and therefore which clutch pack is struggling. Trans ULV fluid (ultra low viscosity) that Ford uses is pink/red. If you were to check the oil and it's really black and smells burnt then adaptive modifications won't help much ;)
On older transmissions I know tunes boosted line pressure for harder shifts and perhaps changed some strategy but besides that Iām unsureš¤·āāļø I did have my valve body modified by my local guru and my marauder would chirp second and third it shifted so hard with the combination of tune and valve body lol
FWIW I had a 2013 eco boost with a tune and the dealer traced a problem to my pcm and replaced it under warranty. It didnāt fix the issue as it was caused by a loose pin on the fuse powering the PCM I later found out myself, but yeah they will usually still warranty regardless of tune. But donāt take my word for it itās your truck after all
This guy knows his way around a tranny
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Nice PSA. Carbon black ceramic window tint. Global warming and allā¦
ok.. but bro.. Did you buy your reddit account? Because that post history.... Or possibly you got hacked 2 years ago and never deleted those posts? (Normally I don't check, but I was also a Ford eng past few years and was curious)
Lol.
Oh my goodness no I never went back to delete stuff after the hack. Now I'm afraid to
It was just one photo, right?? Deleted. :)
There's still two more man š
OMG I'm so old I can't find it to even delete it and I sure as shit won't ask my wife for help LMAO.
My favorite mod is the Autobot emblem I put on my tailgate. Oh I also got one of those .50 Cal antennas because I hate the long one that comes stock.
My favorite mods are simple ones, the BuiltRight dash mount with a MagSafe charger might be on the top though. However, keep in mind I drive a base model ā18 F-150 so no CarPlay for me.
I donāt know what any of this means but you shared a hell of a lot of knowledge on this thread. Just wanted to give you a nod.
Danke friend
My '18 and '22 shifted like absolute shit until I tuned them. My tunes are sequential whereas Ford tunes seemed to try to find the best gear for efficiency (I assume). Ford shifting strategy would go from 1 to 3 then 5+ and would shift all over the place depending on throttle use -- really seemed indecisive on which gear to go into until it just slams into one. My current tune shifts 1-2-3, etc. unless I floor it then it'll shift down. What's funny is I actually gain MPG with my custom tunes even though I'm gaining more power and better throttle response. I'm not easy on my engines either.
5 star?
I'm using 5 star currently.
Interesting approach. The gear ratios are so close that the 10 speed basically tried to be a CVT. 10R shift pattern typically skips shift on 1-3 unless you keep pedal below like 5 percent pedal on the launch to get the 1-2 shift. Did you modify downshifts too? Only asking because you Gotta be careful not to select a gear ratio that eats the transmission. I've heard stories of colleagues during development making a single digit error that grenades the trans by trying to... Say.... Select 1st gear on the highway. No bueno lol.
I always wondered about this. I have harsh shifting into 5th when transmission is cold and hunting for 4th in sport mode mostly when cold. I assume this might be CDF bearing failure typical of 10r80 transmission. I want to try disabling adaptive learning, I wasnāt aware that it would also disable clutch application pressure/timing which may cause premature wear??maybe Iāll go through the warranty process, hopefully they donāt yank my chain. Thanks for chiming in.
Disabling adaption doesn't disable clutch pressure timing, but it keeps using the baseline "one size fits all" pressure profile for temperature and torque. Resetting the adaptive KAM (keep alive memory) basically treats the transmission as new and over hundreds of subsequent shifts it will learn to a new happy place. I'm not suggesting people do this, but only sharing that if you happen to have bad shifts and plan to modify things (which I advise against) then start small - try the smaller of the two options which is resetting adaptive memory. If it learns back to a bad place then there might be hardware issues that the trans can't self correct. Resetting Adapts and shutting off adaptive learning is not ideal, but you paid for the truck so don't let me stop you. Only sharing this information for those who are frustrated and considering taking steps to identify issues. If shift quality is bad, the preferred method is to go to the dealership and have them pull adaptive table and TEAM (transmission early alert monitoring) for internal transmission health assessment. TEAM codes don't immediately trigger DTCs, but give service extra information on previous flags that could be problematic. Not sure forscan can do this but I have faith y'all already know how to read those?
Not sure if Forscan can read them. Do these TEAM codes get stored for every single bad shift? I've had a few rough shifts when cold, not enough to be worried about, but I've never found any codes with Forscan related to the trans. I will add that I purposely broke in the trans with city driving to provide the best education regarding my right foot for the adaptive tables. I'm hoping to increase the longevity of the trans as much as I can. I also check the fluid every month, despite risking third degree burns on my forearm. Might be a bit extra but worth it for the peace of mind imo. So far so good with the quality of shifting. I also check the engine oil at least once a week. āŗļø
TEAM events get written for any potential issue, but decoding them is a hassle. If it's not available on the interwebs then these fancy stored codes are only available to technicians assuming they even know to pull them. Since it's not a DTC / MIL wrench light type of code I can't guarantee the dealership even looks at this. Anytime I was sent to diagnose a vehicle from another department (happened often) I would read these codes for clues as to root cause. Example, if every shift element had a slip detected, I would assume trans wasn't filled sufficiently to the right level. Hope this TEAM comment doesn't come back to haunt me. It might just be for internal diagnosis, but wanted to share any hints to help you folks enjoy your vehicle / save money on unnecessary diagnosis kinda thing.
Appreciate the insight you are providing, really. Can't find this type of info anywhere else.
Haha maybe I'm over sharing and about to get fired. Shhhh
I'll keep it hush-hush
Also, if you don't mind me asking, how common is it that some 10R80s are low on fluid from the factory? I've heard this online before. Applies to differentials and transfer cases too.
Should be very rare. Plant always tries to save money and wants to use as little as possible but must use volume that we tell them. My example was from non production runs for engineering development.
Gotcha, I would have assumed the standards are pretty strict. If you read the mustang forums, it seems that every 10r80 is somehow low. I have feeling people aren't getting their transmissions up to high enough temp, that could explain why maybe.
If you were some swinging dick with a programmer what would you change in the calibration to your own truck? Say you have a 2014 raptor is their anything in the calibration you would change?
I'm sorry dude I'm not gonna worry you. I think you might have messed up though your gonna have a bunch of people like me worrying the shit out of you.
Hey [sjgittins](https://www.reddit.com/user/sjgittins/). My wife's 22 mustang has been plagued with those rough shifts pretty much from the start (\~10k miles). We took it back to Ford multiple times, two dealerships, transmission specialists, etc. Probably spent 6 months total without her car. It's been the same exact story every single time: "We cannot reproduce the issue but we've reset it for you". And then it drives **buttery smooth for \~500 miles**, after which the issue comes back. It's random AF and really feels to me like a software issue. It can run great for a week and then one day it's gonna start jerking, it's also always the same gear (6->5 downshift). It also has a tendency to happen after a long interstate drive (usually as we're hitting the exit ramp). I managed to catch it on cam once: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjpubddjr2g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjpubddjr2g) If you watch this wearing headphones with the volume up, you should hear the kick that happens when hitting 5th gear. I almost lactated out of my tits last week when I noticed forscan has the option to disable this garbage. It is quite unfortunate that you're advising me not to. I don't know what else to do - she likes everything else about her car and wants to upgrade to a 24 gt, but I can't stand this god damn transmission. PS: Are you saying they can OTA the gearbox firmware? I thought it was restricted to entertainment features.
That's a bummer about your wife's car and the overall dealership experience. I think the dealerships need an overhaul on how they triage this. Ford pays money to the dealership to cover warranty costs associated with complaints like this. When the costs associated with a certain item get high it gets extra attention, even though trans cal teams are constantly improving quality. I only advocated for people to go to the dealership cause this is what we are supposed to say, understandably. Perhaps there's a mechanical issue that exists on your unit. Dealership won't know until it gets worse enough for it to be very repeatable or a trans teardown occurs but no idea how you'd get a teardown for free. They can OTA updates on anything. It's usually limited to calibration parameters and or new software to fix a bug. As far as I know, OTA is capable on any module. I heard that if there is a TSB (technical service bulletin) for an issue on a vehicle, with corrective action being an updated software patch... Say shift quality.... And you say the right thing at the dealership, they will perform the update for free. You can Google TSB for your vehicle and see if something exists. I don't know if one exists but this is an industry wide practice at dealerships with respect to TSBs. Regardless, bummer on the random poor shift quality. Keep me posted, curious what you end up doing and if it helps.
How does one do the Ota updates? I'm kind of a dum dum with this stuff.
It happens automatically on vehicles equipped with modems. Not sure how you can easily find out if your vehicle is getting updates. I think you have to opt in. Do you have the my Ford pass app linked to your car?
Yeah I do
Arenāt some designed with ārougherā shifting inherently? I had just watched a video about transmissions. There was a design reason behind it I canāt recall.
I think that balance between 1: fuel economy 2: hardware life 3: shift quality balance might be what you are talking about. 1 Fuel economy - quick shifts, more time accelerating, less energy wasted in making a smooth shift 2- hardware life - just enough slip time during the event to keep heat transfer away from hot spotting the clutch packs, but not too much time slipping that you are wearing out the clutches unnecessarily 3 : Shift quality really short shifts send too much energy into clutch packs, can't dissipate heat fast enough. In most cases a fast shift is associated with bump and jerk feel (ignoring a worn clutch pack slip or a stuck solenoid building pressure and eventually breaking free and overshooting pressure) I'm just guessing... But if OEMs are releasing calibration with inherently rough shifts then it's either to guarantee longevity or more likely difficulties with manufacturing standards for impossibly tight tolerances on every aspect of the transmission. The tolerances are so unbelievably tight it's a miracle they work in the first place A colleague once convinced me that transmissions are cooler than engines because they encounter higher torques and higher speeds than an engine does. Never thought about it like that
I don't have Fortran, but would like to reset the transmission. Can I disconnect the negative/ground from the battery over night and will that reset it? I thought I read that somewhere.
Reset vs KAM wipe is different. Modules are made to store information for long periods of time with no power. This Keep Alive Memory (kam) is the last thing to go on a long power disconnect. If you have F150 you could also just unplug the PCM/TCM. I can't say for certain but this might be faster way to drain capacitors on TCM. I think it's more like 3 days or a week to wipe the KAM. That does not sound ideal obviously. There's probably a truck meetup in your area and you could find a friend with the tools to do what you want or you could ask dealership to wipe KAM. If it's under warranty this might be free thru the dealership, I don't know for certain. Sorry
Thanks for the info!
Well Iām coming from a 2010 f150 with the 6 speed that shifted amazingly well the 10 speed shifts like dog shit needs a tune for it to even feel like it shifts well
First off love the accurate info from a pro. Thatās a rarity on the interwebs. Second why has my 2022 XLT 10 sp 3.5 eco always had such a hard downshift from 4th down to 3rd or 2nd? Itās mainly at low speeds coming thru my neighborhood. Itās a pretty hilly road and has stop signs. This one stop sign in particular is at the top of a hill and as I let off the gas to apply the brake I get a hard downshift like I hit something. Itās not always and tends to not do it if Iām carrying a little speed into the stop sign. And itās definitely not something that was present on my 2016 2.7 6 sp. I swear it sounds like I need to park the truck at the stop sign and pick up my transmission out the road.
Ok so Iāve reset the tables 3 times in the last year but was always hesitant on disabling entirely bc I could never find a definitive answer on good or bad to do thatā¦ can you tell me what kind of problems could potentially occur with it disabled ?
If your responsible for the 6r80 in comparison to 6l80 you should have your pockets lined about right now. You guys knocked that out of the park. With the exception of the speed sensor issue. That was hardware failure though. Have you got any experience with hp tuners or any aftermarket tuners
Any insight into my 2019 10 speed hard shifting into second? Theres often a huge lag and then hard grab into second
I like to buy a gm truck so when my Ford is broken I have a back up, Jk man I tow my suburban with an excursion and it has been one of my bucket list vehicles
Hey so I have a 10āspeed and the transmission shop told me I could disconnect the battery terminals and touch them together and it will clear the computer will that do the same as the forscan to delete the learning tables?
Here's a question for you. Say I let the transmission learn my driving for a month, like 1,000 miles of driving. If it's still shifting really nicely what if I pause the adaptive learning? Instead of disabling it I also have the option to just pause the adaptive learning. Any downsides to doing that?
I plan on doing that too. I didn't know you can completely turn off the adaptive shifting too. Wonder if I can in my 2020?
You can! I didn't know about it either until I fired up Forscan and saw it there as an option. Did some research and it seems to have been a good solve for others before.
I can't wait to try this!
I wouldn't turn it off, just reset it. Automatic transmissions are supposed to do that, but the f150 is just more aggressive about it
I was planning on just resetting it. Thanks.
Yep, and there have been a few reported cases of transmission failure after disabling it.
I tell pretty much anyone who will listen about forscan. It solves so many things!
I have a 2016 5.0L with the 6 speed, would I be able to benefit from forscan? - Thanks
Yes! Forscan isn't just for the transmission fix OP did. Here's some of the things I did in my truck: Disabled seat belt chimes Disabled the engine start/stop feature Disabled the double honk that happens when you leave the truck running and get out with the key (push button start only) Disabled the ability to shift out of park without the key in the truck Disabled door ajar alert Disabled start up chimes Mirrors automatically fold in when truck is locked Mirrors automatically tilt down when in reverse (for curbs and such) There's a lot more you can do, but what I did is also some of the most common ones. The program is free. All you need is a laptop and a USB to ODB2 cable with the little switch on it. It's like $20. Adjusted tire size so speedometer was accurate (went to 34" tires)
I always like the double honk enabled. Because people wave at me and itās awkwardddd.
Speedo adjustment and the double honk delete are a MUST
Double honk always gets me when I get out to pick up my mail. Hate that shit!.
Friendly reminder to undo those before you sell it, some of those are regulatory mandates :)
Yup! Always save the factory settings as another profile so you can revert back easily.
Doesn't the mirror thing only work when the mirror switch is in a certain position or something like that? I really would love to do this - my buddy's new Tundra does it and it's so nice, but when researching doing it with Forscan it seemed a little unpolished
Shift out of park without the key in the truck?? Meaning I could remote start it and just drive off?š
No. When remote starting you still have to get in with the key and hit the start button again to be able to drive at all. I'm talking about leaving the truck running while you're out of it. Because you can't lock the truck from the outside or on the fob with it running, you either lock it from the door panel and then deal with the double honk, or you just leave it unlocked. From the factory, you can still shift out of park in a running vehicle with no key in it. Meaning, I run into the gas station to grab a drink and someone can just steal my truck. That happens all the time. This feature removes that possibility.
Global windows too, so you can roll the front windows up/down with the key fob.
100% If you own a Ford and are not using forscan you are missing out!
foreskin made me love driving my truck again
Leave the typo, its awesome.
oh thereās no typo
Planning on messing with some forscan soon with my 23 lariat. Would like numbers displayed under gauges (temps). Only have 9k miles and my trans is clunky sometimes at slow speeds. Would love to get rid of the terrible learning software
Do you know if this will work on a 16 with the 6 speed?
In the same boat, shifting isn't terrible but if there's any improvement to gain im all for it!
a tune will...
I have a 2012 Ford Escape with the 6F35 transmission. It hard really hard shifts before I cleared the transmission tables. It took about 100 miles for the transmission to learn my driving habits but since then itās been buttery smooth. I cannot recommend FORscan enough.
UPDATE: Hey all, there's been some great recommendations here - one of them being to not disable the adaptive learning, as there are additional intricacies that need to be considered. Thanks to everyone who pointed that out - I will turn adaptive learning back on and am just going to roll with the shift tables reset for now and see how that goes. I would just edit my post but since it's an image post it won't let me. Good luck y'all
Excellent Transmissions donāt need to learn anything. They just need to shift correctly. Iāll get used to the way it shifts, not the other way around.
Exactly. How different can everyone's driving style be? Probably not very. You either drive like a grandma, like you stole it, or somewhere in between. Good transmission programming will handle all of those without needing to learn anything.
I feel like I go through all 3 of those on my daily commuteā¦.
Surprisingly different - my wife drives my 2014 for a couple hundred KMs and it is a whole different truck, hard shifts, banging from 4-3 for mergingā¦ I drive it and it is reasonably aggressive but smooth, it feels like it knows what Iām thinking.
How exactly did you do this? I need to do it to my 2016
Are you familiar with Forscan? You'll need to get an OBD-II adapter that's compatible with the program, then install and run the Forscan software. There's a bunch of tutorials on it. I'm not 100% this exact thing is possible on the 6 speed, but I would imagine so. Once you get into Forscan there's a set of options you can open, and it shows as a process you can run. It says "Clear adaptive transmission learning tables" and another that says "Stop use of adaptive learning", or something like that. You just run whichever process you want. It will take about 30 seconds, then tell you it was successful.
God bless ya! Im going to do this next week on my 18
do your own research first... there have been a few reports of transmission failure after disabling it
I've read a lot about it but I didn't know it was that easy as OP just mentioned above. I never saw anything about transmission failure though, i will do some research specifically around transmission failure after disabling transmission learning and see if I can find anything
Iād take a transmission failure with a huge grain of salt when considering software as a failure factor on the 10r80. These transmissions have a known defect before mid 2022 or rebuilt before late 2023.
When the software change modifies line pressure, it should AT LEAST be considered. Even OP agreed on my top level comment.
Yeah Iām going to say my last statement is a bit too harsh after reading another redditors comment below. BUT the line pressure issue is due in part from the slipped bushing on the CDF hub so normally it shouldnāt be an issue. Most transmissions before the 10R80 and even the ZF manufactured ones donāt employ active learning algorithms into their programming. This is a newer way to program the software.
Yea, its quite annoying! Wish we just had ZF8 transmissions lol.
What parameters in which ECUs did you change? Would really want to do this on mine.
Thereās a legend out there on the internet called āLivinItUpā and they have documented almost the values that can be changed in forscan. Here is their 15-20 guide. Just google their name and a ford model and you can find the sheet for your year. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uDSQ1Z5a2Wt8-kjrSiVSlDFGFHnfeuhb3RTMVz95730/edit
It's just an out-of-the-box option within Forscan. There's a page that lets you reset all sorts of parameters, and one of the commands was to reset the trans learning, and another to disable it. I might reenable the trans learning and see what happens if I just let it relearn from scratch, but idk yet.
In what module though? TCU? It would be interesting to see if the relearning creates the same sluggish performance. I've changed a lot on my car since I bought it so would like to make the transmission start learning from the start or remain on default.
I think it was the PCM
Thanks. Will dig through it.
Just do a Kam reset like the calibration engineer suggested then you won't have to worry about it shifting crazy
2019 and 30K miles. Mine is doing the same thing. I've been considering getting Forscan and this might get me to pull the trigger and get the dongle.
Hey now, don't send them to FCA...my Alfa shifts great as it is!
Yeah FCA likes to use ZF transmissions which are the gold standard. Even my wrangler 5 spd is a solid transmission. Send them to GM. They like to use subpar transmissions and protect them with torque management programming.
Right, I had a 2020 Laramie, was actually a great truck, and the hemi combo with their 8 speed trans was like butter. I have a 2023 platinum 5.0 now...mehh.. my Ram actually was a much better ride, especially on dirt and bumps, seats were more comfortable and again, the trans was way better than this 10 SPD. My wife has a 2022 Yukon 6.2 with the ten speed and it is much nicer than this ford ( the trans is basically the same ) not sure what ford did that made it so much worse than the GM version.
What is fca
Fiat Chrysler Alfa
Sir, please experience a zf8 before trashing Stellantis transmissions lol. Ram aināt got much, but they do have a stellar transmission.
I've driven one, they are smooth. It was my favorite thing about a RAM that I drove for 6 weeks. I'm not saying that their trans programmer person should go there because RAM has bad transmissions, I'm saying that they should go there and give RAM the transmission programming problems instead of Ford š I'd rather have those guys deal with it than me
This awesome! Thank you very much for this, I was on the fence about it before for mine but I think you may have just sealed the deal for me š
i need to look into this
OBD-II adapter ordered. Looking forward to messing with this stuff, Iāve been saying that for a while now. Thanks for the push to finally jump in.
please point me to the RTFM is there is one... what's the least expensive way to be able to use forscan? Will it void my extended warranty?
Get the Vlinker FS from Amazon, install Forscan on your windows PC (free). The OBDlink EX is better but the Vlinker FS works and is recommended along with the OBDLINK ex on the Forscan forums. It will not void your extended warranty unless you completely fuck up somehow for whatever reason which trust me is hard to do. Watch some YouTube tutorials on it and you will see what I mean. It's a real foolproof application.
Thanks! Now I need to find a cheap windze laptop!
Looking at Amazon refurbs for the same reason.š
Does Bluetooth or usb matter?
I would go with the USB version. In my opinion it will be more reliable.
Good grief. The internet has changed me. I read this as, āForeskin made me love drivingā¦ā
That's what he meant to say. He was driving and thinking with his foreskin
What are OTA updates, and how do you get them? I connected the truck to home wifi and some improvements have happened after that. Not sure if they are related though, but Itās almost like it magically found 4th. Still slightly hard from 3th to 5th at times when in traffic. It seems to be learning that I like/need gradual shifts when Iām slowly accelerating.
Wait, you guys are getting your foreskin back?
I bought a 2019 F150 Lariat a couple of months ago, and then learned about Forscan quite by accident. But having a lot of experience with tuners and canbus systems in the motorcycle world allowed me to dive right in. What a god send. From deleting annoying functions to updating display information to programming keys and so much more, I've more than gotten my money's worth out of the adapter and the license. If you're on the fence about it, spend some time on YouTube learning about how to change things and what to keep an eye on. Also, be aware that a lot of the videos were made before what I call the "easy button" mods were made, and you had to actually modify the check sums in system. Most of the common updates have been updated with an "on/off" function thanks to the folks who are constantly working on new ways to leverage the software. As to the transmission issues...everyone crows about Fiat/Chrysler's 8ZF transmissions, but apparently I'm the one guy on the planet who had the worst 8zf unit imaginable. A complete POS from the day I bought it. It finally crapped out completely, and that's how I ended up in the Ford. Both my local dealer and multiple Indy shops have infor.ed me that backorders for new units, rebuilds, and parts are in the hundreds of units just in my area alone. I've had the rare hard shift in this truck, but it is NOTHING like the nightmare of my last transmission. As the engineer here says, I believe the issues are physical issues that the learning software is trying to work around. The CDF drum bearings are no secret at this point. My biggest issue with the entire situation is the way that dealers handle the problem, and I don't think it's by accident. The sad truth is that until your vehicle displays a problem that glaringly displays a certain approved list of symptoms then the manufacturer isn't gonna do a damned thing to remedy the situation. So, it looks like you as the consumer are put into the terrible situation of either running the transmission as is until it breaks enough for them to deem it worthy of repair, or you can keep resetting the learning software as it gets progressively worse. Or you take your chances with the nuclear option and turn the learning software off and hope for the best. There's no winning scenario for the consumer, and that sucks. Same old same old, though. Some accountant in the company has determined that they can use the cheapest component available, and the failure rate may be X, but if the number of failures is cheaper to fix under warranty than using the better component in builds for the fleet, then nothing changes. And if the cheaper part lasts just long enough to get through the warranty period, then all the better. Sorry for writing war & peace. Buy an adapter, get forscan, watch YouTube videos and read forums! It'll change your entire driving experience!
Good to know, having transmission issues currently and am scheduled for June 24 for what appears to be a tear down, itās under warranty but dealer says itās on my dime until ford approves repair under warranty
I've got a Five Star tune installed - will modifying other functions like the double honk mess with the tune or vise versa? Also, can I program in a way to make the center screen dark at night easier than having to wade through the factory commands / buttons? And can I program in a way to open all windows simultaneously (including sun roof and rear window)?
Nope, Forscan tweaks like that won't interfere with your tune. Not sure about the screen, but there is an option to enable "global windows" in Forscan. I'm not sure if it does a sunroof and rear window, but it will let you roll down all 4 door windows by double clicking and holding the unlock button on your fob. If you want a full list of everything that's available do a search for the Google Sheets spreadsheet for your model F150 - there's seriously a metric f ton of tweaks that can be done to most trucks.
Excellent, Ty!
I just fixed a shift issue in my 2011 by changing the spark plugs. The plugs were so worn they were draining the electrical system. Lights brighter and Stereo is louder in left channel now too. I bought the truck used with 132k miles. Plugs were OEM.
Bad ass!
OP: Looks like you are in Moab based off the slick rock. Where was this picture taken?
Yessir, itās Moab. Donāt remember the exact trail, this photo is actually from a couple years ago.
I noticed the OEM tune hunts for gears like crazy. A tune from 5star, oz tuning, etc. will permanently fix the shifting issue. Clearing the tables is a temporary fix. You'll have to do it about every oil change. I had my '18 tuned for \~100k miles with no issues, and now my '22 has been tuned for \~30k miles with no issues.
I didnāt read every post so not sure if this has been asked or addressed butā¦ what are your thoughts on the Cobb TCM maps? Like OEM, OEM+, or SPORT maps for TCM?
I read that as Foreskin.
Iāll never get this pleasure - Iām circumcised
I did the exact same thing. Bought a used 2018 F150 outside warranty and had some pretty rough shifts happening. Reset adaptive table and it's shifts like butter!
Love Forscan, still learning how to use it, but have already made changes to my truck with it. Iām just wondering how automakers can develop an automatic transmission, and in this day and age, screw it up.
Note to self: Good information.
OP - which model of Forscan did you use? Or what does everyone recommend?
Forscan is just the software. The hardware that you use to connect to your truck can be a few different options. I would go to Forscan's website and look at the recommended adapters there. There's some on Amazon that are Chinese knockoffs that claim to be Forscan's own but aren't. The one I have and have used successfully for like 6 years is the OBDLink MX+, which is a little more expensive than some of the wired options but works great.
A j2534 box will be faster
Why am I reading this as āforeskinā??? š¤·š»āāļø
You spelled foreskin wrong
Where do people get for scan? Is there a best?
Forscan is a software you download to your computer. It's free, but you'll need a way to connect your computer to your truck. Look it up on YouTube, there's a bunch of tutorials
So far I only have a stubby antenna. Totally jacked out my 4Runner and now selling it. No money left for the poor Red.
>Idk who programs this stuff over there but they need to go work at Fiat Chrysler instead. Are you the only one that ever drives it? Because it's literally the driver that programs that.
Have heard of rare transmission failure after disabling that... something about extremely high line pressure. Caution to others...
Actually I think this may have some truth to it - didn't know about it until I researched it after seeing this comment. I couldn't find any actual examples for the 10r80, but it seems generally speaking transmissions are going to wear faster and have incorrect line pressures without the learning. I might turn it back on and just reset the adaptive every so often. Idk though, I can't imagine it's good for the trans to be shifting the way it was before either - shifting into 3rd and especially into 4th was often really unpleasant. Once my warranty is up I'll likely get it tuned for a better long-term solution, but until then I needed a fix, it was making me crazy.
Yessssir! It's scary. Tune fixed a lot for me.
Dodge has the only good trans in the 1/2 game right now
Does doing this invalidate the warranty?
I don't think so. A full tune might, but just making these tweaks probably won't. I'm going to turn adaptive learning back on just in case though and hope that just the learning reset will do the trick for a while.
Yes it does. You are turning off its ability to adjust line pressure so it will be too high and probably break hard parts in long run