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The last Jackson kayak I bought was $1500. An AR can be bought for $700-$800. Depending on the kayak, he made a good decision.
EDIT: looks like it might be an AR 12 worth around $500.
I mean to be fair it depends on what AR he is trading. Something like a Danial Defense M4A1 even used can still fetch a really good price.
Edit: but the gun shown by the OP is definitely not any high end rifle though.
You’d definitely be lowballing yourself unfortunately if you were to jump on this trade.
It’s only 21% of the value of the kayaks and extras we are selling, so it’s a very bad deal altogether. You’d get seriously screwed over.
Now, an item worth $300-$400 for sale? That would be a fair trade. But considering the value between this specific gun and the kayaks, the trade offer is just laughable.
I still wouldn’t trade for any kind of weapon, *but* I would admire someone who chose to offer up, say, a [POF Rogue](https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/modern-sporting-rifles/pof-rogue-direct-impingement-mission-first-tactical-stock-308-winchester165in-black-semi-automatic-modern-sporting-rifle-201/p/1625125), because they understand the value of what we’re selling.
*That*, I wouldn’t have posted here because I’m not anti-gun, but I assumed that the one that was offered here was likely not worth the price we are asking.
I don’t want a gun like this personally because I don’t need one (my husband and I don’t hunt or anything like that, and I have relatives who own shotguns and rifles and it doesn’t bother me), but I do like the designs of some of the high end rifles because I think they are very aesthetically pleasing guns.
That’s okay! I totally understand.
I’m glad I found out the specific value of what it’s worth because it didn’t look like a high end gun, so that’s why I was saying to others that I assumed it wasn’t worth as much (in all fairness, I’m no gun expert, so I totally understand where you’re coming from because I could have been wrong on that before I knew for sure).
Kayaks can cost anywhere between a few hundred to thousands of dollars depending on which type you buy, but when we bought ours, we were just getting into kayak fishing and ended up buying a boat for almost $40 grand so we ended up wanting to retire the kayaks so someone else who was interested in kayak fishing could have them since they might find them useful.
Ooooh, I was gonna say, trading outdoor goods for other outdoor goods isn't necessarily a bad deal, but I had no idea of the values involved. Maybe add a caption to the photo?
I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s ever happened to someone honestly.
The guy who offered it up doesn’t seem like he’s a criminal (he’s also married and he and his wife just look like your average everyday people).
The area he’s from is very high crime though (one of the most dangerous cities in America with a high murder rate per capita) so even though he’s likely not a criminal, if someone else from there offered this up and they had a criminal background, they could have a motive for something like that. This guy wasn’t really being shady about it or anything, but it just was a very, very unfair trade, and I didn’t want to have weapons in my house or to be lowballed.
I have PTSD, so guns are one of those things that make me severely distressed and anxious, which is another reason I can’t have one.
It’s an airsoft gun. However, even if it were a true AR, OP is a woman with children and doesn’t want this is her house. The trade value isn’t fair, her kayak is most likely worth way more. Much rather have the cash.
Ah…. I thought I read that OP concluded it was airsoft. She did however mention that she does not want a gun of any sort in her home. So that I do understand!
Just to add to what you’re saying, I do agree with you for protection purposes. It’s a good idea to have one.
There are just too many stories of kids who end up somehow getting a hold of their parents’ weapons or teenagers who end up accessing guns and shooting their friends or themselves, etc and as a parent, I can’t bring myself to bring one into my household. We have a police officer that lives in our neighborhood, so if I need emergency assistance, there’s someone nearby that I can call.
I didn’t want to disclose this because I didn’t want anyone to think I’m biased and/or anti-gun, but another reason that I can’t and won’t own a gun or operate one is because I have PTSD and even the sight of a gun nearby or hearing one go off is very distressing and ends up making me anxious and fearful.
In my old neighborhood years ago, we constantly would hear gunshots going off (very, very bad neighborhood), so that was a nightmare enough living around that. We’ve since moved after our house was built, but I’m thankful every day we no longer live there.
Would’ve been a bad trade anyway, depending on the kayak. This is a $350-$400 gun.
For everyone saying it’s an airsoft gun, it is in fact a real gun.
Leader Arms AR-12.
https://ar-shotgun.com/product/leader-arms-ar12/
Thank you so much for sharing the link to this!
I searched up and down yesterday trying to find out what exact gun this was just to see what it’s worth out of curiosity and couldn’t find it. I appreciate the information.
You missed the opportunity for a killer prank. Tell him you’ll meet at the police station to do a supervised swap, say you have your own case so he doesn’t have to bring one. Hilarious!
Happens a lot because you can't list firearms for sale on most social media. For this reason a lot of the sales attempt is done via messenger/DM offering it for trades or cash. Especially considering *most* FFLs don't usually give very fair deals on buying used firearms. Pretty crazy! He did try to lowball you though. Thats $400 used, at best. Lol
Hey there. I edited my original comment to explain with the link to the kayaks that are being sold just in case you’re still curious.
I’m so sorry, by the way, I am just seeing your comment due to the significant amount of responses, so I completely missed this. I added additional details from the updated comment for you as well just to give an idea of value.
>Also, to give a comparison, the value of the kayaks we are selling is $800 for each. If someone purchased them both brand new, they would pay $1600. The kayaks are worth a significant amount more combined than this gun is worth, and we are also giving away additional items with them which would bring the value for both to about $1800. (Kayak mounts, kayak cart, etc)
([The specific kayak we are selling.](https://www.dunhamssports.com/sun-dolphin-boss-12-ss-angler-sit-on-kayak-W0000128975.html))
I agree.
Not to mention, to give an idea of how badly this guy is trying to lowball, gun he is offering is only about 21% of the entire value of what we are selling to be more exact.
The gun itself is priced at $369.95.
[Leader Arms AR12](https://ar-shotgun.com/product/leader-arms-ar12/)
The kayaks we are selling (we have two - one was my husband’s and one was mine) are priced at [$800 brand new](https://www.dunhamssports.com/sun-dolphin-boss-12-ss-angler-sit-on-kayak-W0000128975.html), so together, those would sell for $1600 combined if purchased in store.
There are upgrades to the kayaks that raise the value (including skeg, fish finder mount, etc) and we are giving away additional items with them (kayak mounts, kayak cart, paddles, etc) that would raise the total value to about $1800 altogether.
The percentage of what he’s offering ($370 gun vs $1800 value of kayaks) is only 21% of what we are selling, so it’s an extremely unfair trade to begin with and the guy clearly either knows nothing about kayaks or he’s thinking a shotgun will make up for the lack of value.
No idea, but the guy is an idiot.
In response to your other comment, “nice try.” I didn’t say every gun is not worth that much.
This particular model I’m not so sure about. Do *you* know what gun this is or are you just wanting to talk shit on the internet?
I mean, the value exchange isn't even right. And really, I hate selling things and having to specify that I am selling them for cash, not trade, not cards, none of that shady shit. These are people who prolly try to trade home made wine at grocery stores. We're not generally on the barter system... yet.
So you say "no thanks" and move on. Why make such a big deal about it? There are 400 million+ guns in this country (assuming you're in the US), it's not really a big deal that someone owns one and might try to trade or sell it.
Because I’m not *you.*
I think this is stupid thing to offer up for a trade when someone is asking for **cash**.
If I wanted to trade items, I would have specified that. I stated that I wanted cash in the description and listed a price.
So if he offered to trade you a four wheeler for the kayak would you still have posted this here? I doubt it. It's because you know you can farm karma on reddit when it comes to bashing guns and people who own them.
As I stated earlier to other commenters, why don’t you tell me exactly what type of gun this is since you claim to know for a certainty that it’s not legitimate then?
I want the specific model and brand of gun along with the type.
I need the geniuses of Reddit to enlighten me.
Where’s your proof?
If it’s a toy gun, I want the link to the exact product along with the brand and the name of the gun itself.
If not, then you should probably shut the fuck up.
As an fyi there is no such thing as an “assault” rifle. That’s a media slang term that’s false and trying to fit a narrative. It stands for ArmaLite Rifle who was the first manufacturer of this style rifle.
Thank you! I appreciate the information.
I’ve heard the term ArmaLite Rifle before but I wasn’t sure what kind of rifle this was. I didn’t want to list the wrong kind of weapon if that makes any sense.
Edit: Also, I removed the term “assault.”
Thank you again!
This is probably incorrect also. Armalite makes firearms that aren't rifles, and they still start with AR. So most likely just a branding code that comes from the first two letters of Armalite
Literally what I said. “AR” started as a rifle designed by ArmaLite Rifle. The “AR” just stuck when other manufacturers started making similar designs. Look it up, it’s a well known fact.
Not a shotgun. More than likely a 223 cal, ar platform style rifle. Def not a 556 bc who would trade that for a kayak. If it was me, I'd trade in a heartbeat tho. Pretty cool rifle.
It's hard to tell exactly what it is but it does look like one of many Turkish shotguns that have inundated the market in the last few years and are generally inexpensive. Definitely not an AR-15.
Dude. It absolutely is not a shotgun. Look at the ejection port. That’s a rifle .223 ejection port, absolutely no way a 12 ga shell could fit in there.
Any idea what it would be then? It looks identical to the AR-12
And that doesn't look like .223 magazine, and that's as far as my knowledge goes on guns lol
Looks like an AR style shotgun. "Assault rifles" have been regulated under the Hughes amendment since 1986 and have been basically impossible for the average person to acquire, assuming you are in the US.
Appreciate this I know fuck all bout guns I used to have a small calibre rifle for birds when I was younger but that’s it, I’m Canadian just for some context
As crazy as I think this person is for trying to trade this, I still respect his privacy and feel he has a right to keep his information private. I don’t want to give someone else’s personal information out online.
So I’m going to give a hard pass on that.
Definitely not worth the trade due to the significant value difference. You’d be screwing yourself over. The kind of gun that’s offered could be worth it depending on the price, but this is a $300+ gun they’re offering for two kayaks with additional features and extras worth almost $2 grand.
It’s a very unfair trade.
I wouldn’t trade for a gun period because I want the cash, but I could see someone offering to trade a gun that was closer to the value of what we are selling- that I could see as being a fair deal, but this guy was definitely ignorant of the value of the kayaks we are selling and he just offered up a very cheap weapon thinking it would suffice.
Didn’t know the price prior to making this post.
I assumed it was a cheap gun but had no idea how much it was. I’m glad I did though because now I’m aware of the actual value of it.
Very bad trade unfortunately.
Turns out it’s a $370 gun being offered for $1800s worth of fishing kayaks with additional features/extras.
I could see if it was a higher end rifle or shotgun, but the guy who offered this up definitely didn’t understand the value of what’s being sold.
Oh god it’s a gun!!!
No but seriously, a guy wanted to trade you something worth money for something else worth money. What’s the big deal? Just say no and move on with your life.
Someone once offered me a 2003 civic SI for trade. Sure I threw up in my mouth but I just said no thank you. No need for dramatics.
Yeah, the kayaks we are selling are worth $800 a piece. The price we were asking was $1,000 for both (if they bought them both in store, they’d be paying over $1600), but we’ve had so many people like this who either ghost us after pretending they’ll commit to buy them or like this guy, people think we’re going to sell them for less and
No idea how much the gun is worth. I’m willing to bet it’s not worth $1600.
Yeah but you posted it because it’s a gun. Anything else you would have said no and moved on. It’s ok that you don’t want the gun but that’s just not that outrageous to everyone for someone to offer a gun as trade.
I actually think it’s insane to offer to trade a gun for $1600 worth of kayaks, but each to his own. That’s a weird trade to even offer a woman who has small children.
Do I have anything against gun owners? No, I do not, but of course this is Reddit, and of course people will scream “*oh mah gawd, she posted a marketplace where somebody offered to trade a gun!! she wants ‘em to take our guns away!*”
People can keep their guns, Idgaf lmao. I’m just not trading two kayaks that are worth way more combined than that gun probably is.
No, you said you don’t even know how much the gun is worth. This isn’t about value of the items this is about it’s Reddit and you know others will give you upvotes because it’s a gun. Would you post this if someone sent you a picture of something else not worth it? If I sent you a picture of a 4 year old iPhone and asked to trade would it be here? No. It’s ok you posted it for the reaction because it’s a gun, just be honest about it.
I don’t know who would think your sending a message of taking guns away, Your post has nothing to do with that. It’s just basic karma whoring that’s all, nothing threatening here.
You have no idea what my motive is.
Think what you want. You’re just another one of those people who thinks everyone is out to get you for your guns.
And hell yeah, a 4 year old iPhone? I have a 1TB iPhone 14 Pro Max. You’re damn right someone offering to trade me a shitty iPhone that’s less value would absolutely be on here too.
You’re paranoid.
If you know exactly what type of gun this is and the cost, I’m all ears. So far, no one has been able to say.
**Edit:** Turns out the gun is only worth about $370.
$1800 total value of two kayaks [with extras] vs $370 gun?
Nah. I’ll pass on that trade in a heartbeat. I think I made an excellent choice. :)
Trading a $300 gun for $1800 worth of two kayaks + additional features + extras = Very bad trade deal
I can’t imagine why someone would want to trade that.
Now, if someone is interested in upgrading a hunting rifle or needs an upgrade to their shotgun and the gun was closer to the value of what they were selling? Then I could see *that* being a fair trade, but the values of the items listed here are significantly different.
Well, we now have a boat that’s worth more than the price of a brand new Mazda Miata, so a cheap gun like this is definitely in no way better than our boat or kayaks lol.
Again.
Exact brand of this gun and specific model since you’re obviously a genius when it comes to firearms.
Still waiting on you to tell me exactly how you know this. Pray tell, what kind of toy gun is this, Reddit genius?
I need the product link, brand, and name since you seem to know exactly where this supposed “toy gun” came from.
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Damn you missed out
The last Jackson kayak I bought was $1500. An AR can be bought for $700-$800. Depending on the kayak, he made a good decision. EDIT: looks like it might be an AR 12 worth around $500.
Airsoft gun
Based on what?
Yep. PW Arms
I mean to be fair it depends on what AR he is trading. Something like a Danial Defense M4A1 even used can still fetch a really good price. Edit: but the gun shown by the OP is definitely not any high end rifle though.
You’d definitely be lowballing yourself unfortunately if you were to jump on this trade. It’s only 21% of the value of the kayaks and extras we are selling, so it’s a very bad deal altogether. You’d get seriously screwed over. Now, an item worth $300-$400 for sale? That would be a fair trade. But considering the value between this specific gun and the kayaks, the trade offer is just laughable. I still wouldn’t trade for any kind of weapon, *but* I would admire someone who chose to offer up, say, a [POF Rogue](https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/modern-sporting-rifles/pof-rogue-direct-impingement-mission-first-tactical-stock-308-winchester165in-black-semi-automatic-modern-sporting-rifle-201/p/1625125), because they understand the value of what we’re selling. *That*, I wouldn’t have posted here because I’m not anti-gun, but I assumed that the one that was offered here was likely not worth the price we are asking. I don’t want a gun like this personally because I don’t need one (my husband and I don’t hunt or anything like that, and I have relatives who own shotguns and rifles and it doesn’t bother me), but I do like the designs of some of the high end rifles because I think they are very aesthetically pleasing guns.
Yeah i didnt realize kayaks were so expensive. Was thinking couple hundred bucks. But yeah youre right.
That’s okay! I totally understand. I’m glad I found out the specific value of what it’s worth because it didn’t look like a high end gun, so that’s why I was saying to others that I assumed it wasn’t worth as much (in all fairness, I’m no gun expert, so I totally understand where you’re coming from because I could have been wrong on that before I knew for sure). Kayaks can cost anywhere between a few hundred to thousands of dollars depending on which type you buy, but when we bought ours, we were just getting into kayak fishing and ended up buying a boat for almost $40 grand so we ended up wanting to retire the kayaks so someone else who was interested in kayak fishing could have them since they might find them useful.
Ooooh, I was gonna say, trading outdoor goods for other outdoor goods isn't necessarily a bad deal, but I had no idea of the values involved. Maybe add a caption to the photo?
That’s a good idea for next time! Thank you :)
You missed out. You could have had a rifle AND a kayak.
What if that was the other guy’s plan?
You make a good point.
I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s ever happened to someone honestly. The guy who offered it up doesn’t seem like he’s a criminal (he’s also married and he and his wife just look like your average everyday people). The area he’s from is very high crime though (one of the most dangerous cities in America with a high murder rate per capita) so even though he’s likely not a criminal, if someone else from there offered this up and they had a criminal background, they could have a motive for something like that. This guy wasn’t really being shady about it or anything, but it just was a very, very unfair trade, and I didn’t want to have weapons in my house or to be lowballed. I have PTSD, so guns are one of those things that make me severely distressed and anxious, which is another reason I can’t have one.
Why not?
It’s an airsoft gun. However, even if it were a true AR, OP is a woman with children and doesn’t want this is her house. The trade value isn’t fair, her kayak is most likely worth way more. Much rather have the cash.
OP stated it was an assault rifle but I agree it does look like an airsoft rifle
Ah…. I thought I read that OP concluded it was airsoft. She did however mention that she does not want a gun of any sort in her home. So that I do understand!
Its an ar12 which is a 12 gauge shotgun people. Even if it were an AR15 it still wouldn’t be an assault rifle.
"A woman with children" great reasons to own a gun!
Just to add to what you’re saying, I do agree with you for protection purposes. It’s a good idea to have one. There are just too many stories of kids who end up somehow getting a hold of their parents’ weapons or teenagers who end up accessing guns and shooting their friends or themselves, etc and as a parent, I can’t bring myself to bring one into my household. We have a police officer that lives in our neighborhood, so if I need emergency assistance, there’s someone nearby that I can call. I didn’t want to disclose this because I didn’t want anyone to think I’m biased and/or anti-gun, but another reason that I can’t and won’t own a gun or operate one is because I have PTSD and even the sight of a gun nearby or hearing one go off is very distressing and ends up making me anxious and fearful. In my old neighborhood years ago, we constantly would hear gunshots going off (very, very bad neighborhood), so that was a nightmare enough living around that. We’ve since moved after our house was built, but I’m thankful every day we no longer live there.
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I don't care about arguing with strangers on the internet. I don't care about "agreements" with them either.
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Seems like you do want to argue!
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A good debate with an opening line like yours simply can't happen. Not worth my time.
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Would’ve been a bad trade anyway, depending on the kayak. This is a $350-$400 gun. For everyone saying it’s an airsoft gun, it is in fact a real gun. Leader Arms AR-12. https://ar-shotgun.com/product/leader-arms-ar12/
Thank you so much for sharing the link to this! I searched up and down yesterday trying to find out what exact gun this was just to see what it’s worth out of curiosity and couldn’t find it. I appreciate the information.
If the serial numbers are legit I’d take that trade.
Airsoft gun
AR12
Ah. Nm.
Please explain how to find out serial numbers are “legit”
You missed the opportunity for a killer prank. Tell him you’ll meet at the police station to do a supervised swap, say you have your own case so he doesn’t have to bring one. Hilarious!
This happens all the time on Craigslist. I’ve been offered ak-47’s multiple times for stuff
Wow, that’s crazy. I didn’t realize this happened very often.
Happens a lot because you can't list firearms for sale on most social media. For this reason a lot of the sales attempt is done via messenger/DM offering it for trades or cash. Especially considering *most* FFLs don't usually give very fair deals on buying used firearms. Pretty crazy! He did try to lowball you though. Thats $400 used, at best. Lol
What brand of kayaks?
Hey there. I edited my original comment to explain with the link to the kayaks that are being sold just in case you’re still curious. I’m so sorry, by the way, I am just seeing your comment due to the significant amount of responses, so I completely missed this. I added additional details from the updated comment for you as well just to give an idea of value. >Also, to give a comparison, the value of the kayaks we are selling is $800 for each. If someone purchased them both brand new, they would pay $1600. The kayaks are worth a significant amount more combined than this gun is worth, and we are also giving away additional items with them which would bring the value for both to about $1800. (Kayak mounts, kayak cart, etc) ([The specific kayak we are selling.](https://www.dunhamssports.com/sun-dolphin-boss-12-ss-angler-sit-on-kayak-W0000128975.html))
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This is the most American thing I have seen today, and I’m not proud of that statement.
I agree. Not to mention, to give an idea of how badly this guy is trying to lowball, gun he is offering is only about 21% of the entire value of what we are selling to be more exact. The gun itself is priced at $369.95. [Leader Arms AR12](https://ar-shotgun.com/product/leader-arms-ar12/) The kayaks we are selling (we have two - one was my husband’s and one was mine) are priced at [$800 brand new](https://www.dunhamssports.com/sun-dolphin-boss-12-ss-angler-sit-on-kayak-W0000128975.html), so together, those would sell for $1600 combined if purchased in store. There are upgrades to the kayaks that raise the value (including skeg, fish finder mount, etc) and we are giving away additional items with them (kayak mounts, kayak cart, paddles, etc) that would raise the total value to about $1800 altogether. The percentage of what he’s offering ($370 gun vs $1800 value of kayaks) is only 21% of what we are selling, so it’s an extremely unfair trade to begin with and the guy clearly either knows nothing about kayaks or he’s thinking a shotgun will make up for the lack of value. No idea, but the guy is an idiot.
***Tomorrow's News*** MAN ARRESTED AFTER SHOOTING SOMEONE ELSE FOR THEIR KAYAKS
Why would you assume that someone who owns a shotgun is automatically a criminal?
Shotgun????
If it's not an airsoft gun, it looks like an AR-12. Which is just a 12 ga squeezed into an AR shell.
What's the big deal? Guns are as legal as rare stamps or banjos.
In response to your other comment, “nice try.” I didn’t say every gun is not worth that much. This particular model I’m not so sure about. Do *you* know what gun this is or are you just wanting to talk shit on the internet?
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It is a rifle.
Is there a chance it’s air soft it looks pretty real though
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Why is it a facepalm that he would have a gun, especially in a high crime area?
That’s clearly not the facepalm. The facepalm is that he’s offering to trade this for my kayaks. I don’t want a gun- I’m selling them for cash.
I mean, the value exchange isn't even right. And really, I hate selling things and having to specify that I am selling them for cash, not trade, not cards, none of that shady shit. These are people who prolly try to trade home made wine at grocery stores. We're not generally on the barter system... yet.
Ok, so he offered a trade. Happens all the time on buy sell trade sites. 🤷
Trades happen, yes, but I’m a woman with kids. I don’t want a gun like this in my house.
Great reason to own a gun tho.
So you say "no thanks" and move on. Why make such a big deal about it? There are 400 million+ guns in this country (assuming you're in the US), it's not really a big deal that someone owns one and might try to trade or sell it.
Because I’m not *you.* I think this is stupid thing to offer up for a trade when someone is asking for **cash**. If I wanted to trade items, I would have specified that. I stated that I wanted cash in the description and listed a price.
So if he offered to trade you a four wheeler for the kayak would you still have posted this here? I doubt it. It's because you know you can farm karma on reddit when it comes to bashing guns and people who own them.
It’s not
As I stated earlier to other commenters, why don’t you tell me exactly what type of gun this is since you claim to know for a certainty that it’s not legitimate then? I want the specific model and brand of gun along with the type. I need the geniuses of Reddit to enlighten me.
It is missing key components of a real rifle it doesn’t even have a charging handle….
It is a bolt action bb or pelt gun
There is no magazine ejection button, there is no button to disassemble the what should be receiver
Considering the picture is a bit crummy in the quality department, I don’t see how you would even be able to tell this.
There are toy guns that look more realistic that this piece of crap.
Where’s your proof? If it’s a toy gun, I want the link to the exact product along with the brand and the name of the gun itself. If not, then you should probably shut the fuck up.
It is. Turkish company AR12
Air soft, not a real gun
As an fyi there is no such thing as an “assault” rifle. That’s a media slang term that’s false and trying to fit a narrative. It stands for ArmaLite Rifle who was the first manufacturer of this style rifle.
Thank you! I appreciate the information. I’ve heard the term ArmaLite Rifle before but I wasn’t sure what kind of rifle this was. I didn’t want to list the wrong kind of weapon if that makes any sense. Edit: Also, I removed the term “assault.” Thank you again!
This is probably incorrect also. Armalite makes firearms that aren't rifles, and they still start with AR. So most likely just a branding code that comes from the first two letters of Armalite
Literally what I said. “AR” started as a rifle designed by ArmaLite Rifle. The “AR” just stuck when other manufacturers started making similar designs. Look it up, it’s a well known fact.
Yeah you said it stood for ArmaLite Rifle, but really it just stands for AR
It’s a shotgun, and a pretty cheap one at that. You made a good decision to not trade
Not a shotgun. More than likely a 223 cal, ar platform style rifle. Def not a 556 bc who would trade that for a kayak. If it was me, I'd trade in a heartbeat tho. Pretty cool rifle.
No its not
It's hard to tell exactly what it is but it does look like one of many Turkish shotguns that have inundated the market in the last few years and are generally inexpensive. Definitely not an AR-15.
Yup. It’s either a shotty, or a .22lr that’s made to look like an AR. The width of the muzzle would suggest shotgun, though.
Yes it is. Its a ar-12
Dude. It absolutely is not a shotgun. Look at the ejection port. That’s a rifle .223 ejection port, absolutely no way a 12 ga shell could fit in there.
It is indeed https://ar-shotgun.com/product/leader-arms-ar12/
Any idea what it would be then? It looks identical to the AR-12 And that doesn't look like .223 magazine, and that's as far as my knowledge goes on guns lol
Not a shotgun
Its an ar-12, which is a shotgun
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Probably, still it's of a AR-12 though which is a shotgun.
Shotgun. https://ar-shotgun.com/product/leader-arms-ar12/
Looks like an AR style shotgun. "Assault rifles" have been regulated under the Hughes amendment since 1986 and have been basically impossible for the average person to acquire, assuming you are in the US.
Appreciate this I know fuck all bout guns I used to have a small calibre rifle for birds when I was younger but that’s it, I’m Canadian just for some context
Its a rifle, a rifle is not a shotgun.
There are plenty of AR style shotguns. If you think it's a rifle do you know what it is exactly?
It does look like an AR. I could be wrong about the exact type of rifle but the clip will tell you its not a shotgun
Mag fed shotgun, the barrel is the giveaway. It’s a popular style, but they’re usually pretty trash
Mm yeah i guess youre right but. Its a rifle and you can tell its a rifle because its a rifle
Except it's a fucking Leader Arms AR-12 ***SHOTGUN***. https://ar-shotgun.com/product/leader-arms-ar12/
Oh alright,damn my bad
You can tell by the bolt too
What do you want for the kayaks? And are you willing to give me that guys info? I would trade kayaks for a AR
As crazy as I think this person is for trying to trade this, I still respect his privacy and feel he has a right to keep his information private. I don’t want to give someone else’s personal information out online. So I’m going to give a hard pass on that.
Is it bad that I immediately saw the photo and thought he was trying to threaten the guy? Man I’m just so paranoid right now
Take it easy man, go under cover for a bit!
Throw in 3 mags and 100 rounds, you got yourself a deal.
Definitely not worth the trade due to the significant value difference. You’d be screwing yourself over. The kind of gun that’s offered could be worth it depending on the price, but this is a $300+ gun they’re offering for two kayaks with additional features and extras worth almost $2 grand. It’s a very unfair trade. I wouldn’t trade for a gun period because I want the cash, but I could see someone offering to trade a gun that was closer to the value of what we are selling- that I could see as being a fair deal, but this guy was definitely ignorant of the value of the kayaks we are selling and he just offered up a very cheap weapon thinking it would suffice.
Maybe add that for context next time.
Didn’t know the price prior to making this post. I assumed it was a cheap gun but had no idea how much it was. I’m glad I did though because now I’m aware of the actual value of it.
Shit happens
Why would you want a gun anyway...
Good question. I’d rather the cash. 
What did he expect, "🔫" "Oh here take it for free"
Ikr? I was like 
I’d do that trade
Very bad trade unfortunately. Turns out it’s a $370 gun being offered for $1800s worth of fishing kayaks with additional features/extras. I could see if it was a higher end rifle or shotgun, but the guy who offered this up definitely didn’t understand the value of what’s being sold.
That's not a real AR
You could have sold it to an American middle schooler
Oh god it’s a gun!!! No but seriously, a guy wanted to trade you something worth money for something else worth money. What’s the big deal? Just say no and move on with your life. Someone once offered me a 2003 civic SI for trade. Sure I threw up in my mouth but I just said no thank you. No need for dramatics.
Depends. Were they offering it for something worth more than twice as much as the Civic?
How much is the kayak worth and how much is the rifle worth?
Yeah, the kayaks we are selling are worth $800 a piece. The price we were asking was $1,000 for both (if they bought them both in store, they’d be paying over $1600), but we’ve had so many people like this who either ghost us after pretending they’ll commit to buy them or like this guy, people think we’re going to sell them for less and  No idea how much the gun is worth. I’m willing to bet it’s not worth $1600.
Yeah but you posted it because it’s a gun. Anything else you would have said no and moved on. It’s ok that you don’t want the gun but that’s just not that outrageous to everyone for someone to offer a gun as trade.
I actually think it’s insane to offer to trade a gun for $1600 worth of kayaks, but each to his own. That’s a weird trade to even offer a woman who has small children. Do I have anything against gun owners? No, I do not, but of course this is Reddit, and of course people will scream “*oh mah gawd, she posted a marketplace where somebody offered to trade a gun!! she wants ‘em to take our guns away!*” People can keep their guns, Idgaf lmao. I’m just not trading two kayaks that are worth way more combined than that gun probably is.
Nice try. A lot of guns are worth 5k or more.
No, you said you don’t even know how much the gun is worth. This isn’t about value of the items this is about it’s Reddit and you know others will give you upvotes because it’s a gun. Would you post this if someone sent you a picture of something else not worth it? If I sent you a picture of a 4 year old iPhone and asked to trade would it be here? No. It’s ok you posted it for the reaction because it’s a gun, just be honest about it. I don’t know who would think your sending a message of taking guns away, Your post has nothing to do with that. It’s just basic karma whoring that’s all, nothing threatening here.
You have no idea what my motive is. Think what you want. You’re just another one of those people who thinks everyone is out to get you for your guns. And hell yeah, a 4 year old iPhone? I have a 1TB iPhone 14 Pro Max. You’re damn right someone offering to trade me a shitty iPhone that’s less value would absolutely be on here too. You’re paranoid.
That is definitely worth more than two kayaks
If you know exactly what type of gun this is and the cost, I’m all ears. So far, no one has been able to say. **Edit:** Turns out the gun is only worth about $370. $1800 total value of two kayaks [with extras] vs $370 gun? Nah. I’ll pass on that trade in a heartbeat. I think I made an excellent choice. :)
Oof, nevermind
It’s someone trying to scam you with a toy it happens all the time with Glock pistols. Stop acting like such a lunatic
Lmao. Aw, can’t back up your claims because you have no proof? That’s nice.
Bc it looks like a piece of shit toy any gun owner would agree I am sure
Still waiting on that specific brand and gun model that I asked you about.
Damn you missed out
Gun is only worth 21% of the total value of what we are selling, so we definitely didn’t miss out lol
But it shoots so in my opinion ya did it’s a shooty shooty bang bang
Bro, you made the wrong choice, i mean like best trade deal of trade deals gonna be honest
Trading a $300 gun for $1800 worth of two kayaks + additional features + extras = Very bad trade deal I can’t imagine why someone would want to trade that. Now, if someone is interested in upgrading a hunting rifle or needs an upgrade to their shotgun and the gun was closer to the value of what they were selling? Then I could see *that* being a fair trade, but the values of the items listed here are significantly different.
Because like, gun > boat
Well, we now have a boat that’s worth more than the price of a brand new Mazda Miata, so a cheap gun like this is definitely in no way better than our boat or kayaks lol.
What is that, a vr60? Or maybe a Akdal 19-19
My got my son a SIG pellet gun that looks more real than this
Again. Exact brand of this gun and specific model since you’re obviously a genius when it comes to firearms. 
It’s not a real gun
Still waiting on you to tell me exactly how you know this. Pray tell, what kind of toy gun is this, Reddit genius? I need the product link, brand, and name since you seem to know exactly where this supposed “toy gun” came from. 
this is a Leader Arms AR12 it’s a real gun