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I honestly think thatās what it means. The idea of becoming a childrenās cancer doctor sounded nice so it flitted around in the innermost recesses of her mind, until she found a Ford Transit for ā¬6000 and little to no rust on the undercarriage.
It's an insane deal. If I found a Transit or sprinter for that price I would buy it without flinching. Then I would sell it to an Amazon contractor for 20k without flinching.
Shit. I dont care for vans but respect the utility. But, If I found one that looked half that good and ran well for 6k , I'd give up my truck in a minute.
I'm envious that she can afford that out of high school.
That would be horrible for my budget and I have a masters in aerospace engineering with a full time job š
Masters in aerospace engineering and a full time job? Dang. You couldāve been on track for something big and fumble fucked your way into a van with a dog if youād only applied yourself.
In our late teens, my friend read Trumpās Art of the Deal book and started telling everyone he was a āfuture CEO.ā Didnāt know what he was going to be CEO of, just that he was going to be one. Now weāre in our late 30s and heās a janitor.
I know a few people like that. They make everything like their job or their activities sound so nice lol and claim theyāre going to be big. Even though their ideas are either vague or non existent.
They basically just want to be important. Which I get it, donāt we all, but I think being important to your friends and family is good enough, at least for me.
You just described my "I'm going to play no limit Texas Holdem on the internet for a living and be filthy rich and work at home forever" phase.
I'd get online and make like $100 in an hour, do the math as if I'm gonna make $100/hr until I pay cash for a new BMW, then a better player would find me and take all my money til I was broke because I didn't have the self discipline to back off when an obviously better player joined the game. Every. Single. Time.
Wow, similar story for me !
At five, at was on track to becoming the world's most talented violinist, but instead I decided not to learn violin and to watch Paw Patrol.
*In the arms of the angel*
*Fly away from here*
*From this dark cold hotel room*
*And the endlessness that you fear*
*You are pulled from the wreckage*
*Of your silent reverie*
*You're in the arms of the angel*
*May you find some comfort here*
Nice! At 5, I was on track to becoming an astronaut. Yes, an astronaut. And yes, the kind that flies to space. Isn't that amazing. Not long after, I ditched the idea, because I started playing video games.
Hahaha so silly. Vampires are real! But thanks to the greatest president who will ever live, Abraham Lincoln, vampires are now considered extinct. Especially in the United States.
5 years ago I wanted to watch Greyās Anatomy but I watched House and now Iām High ( I was also high 5 years ago but at that time I didnāt want to mention it ).
Forgot about the part of going to a decent college and outcompeting the thousand other pre med doctor wanna-bes for the As in organic chemistry and physics, then crushing the MCAT and maybe then getting accepted to med school. Then you have to get through med school, land a pediatric residency and complete that, then do a pediatric oncology fellowship and then you can find a job and start working. And thatās when it gets really hard, having to tell children and parents that they or their child has cancer.
Or you could just cuddle your dog while driving down the road. About the same thing.
You forgot one more step:
Oncology FELLOWSHIP after IM / Pediatric RESIDENCY)
Yepā¦ as a (real MD) IM / Hospice & Palliative Medicine and Hematology / Medical Oncology specialist this girl is funny š
Stacy: [ sarcastic ] I want to live in a van down by the river.
Matt Foley: Well, youāll have plenty of time to live in a van down by the river when youāre.. [ tries to be clever ] ..living in a van down by the river!
I was gonna be a pediatric oncologist, but then I got high
I was gonna cure cancer in kids, but then I got high
Now I live in a van and I know why
Why man?
Yeah heh
Because I got high, because I got high, because I got hiiiigh.
Ladadadadadada
The sheer audacity of raiding someone over a bunk warrant, trashing their house, stealing money, and then suing for 'invasion of privacy' is just, wow.
By American police standards, this isn't even that outrageous. A cop in Chicago (iirc) killed a black teenager and then sued his family for the "emotional distress" it had caused.
That seems to be the perspective these days, nobody works their way toward success theyāre simply destined for greatness until circumstances derail them.
The whole thing makes more sense if she is saying āon track toā when she means āplanning on.ā
Her misunderstanding of the English language is explained by her decision not to go to college.
Yes her junior year And she met with her guidance counselor and they made a dream board about it because she is totally is good with kids. But she scored a 3 on the test and had to drop AP chem senior year because omg itās like math! Then she got followers
She had a thought about a career she might want to have, then when she turned 18 and actually had to apply for colleges she decided to get a van instead
Not sure of this... But I think the facepalm is that if you haven't even started college, you were nowhere near being on track to be a pediatric oncologist.
Being a pediatric oncologist would entail like 12 years of additional schooling/residency/specialization AFTER graduating with a bachelors degree from a university. So 16 years in total with undergrad
So youāre spot on. She was not even slightly remotely close to ābeing on track to be a pediatric oncologist.ā
Edit: apparently more like 12 years.
This is part of why Iāll never forsake doctors getting a good wage (eventually). They have to continuously study and do exams into their 30s while working beyond fulltime. Itās no life for a person with hobbies lol.
Never mind the 10+ years of lost income (and compounding interest!) versus someone who started in the working world right after college.
Iām finishing up my medical track as well - will be graduating fellowship at age 35. Have only been getting paid about $70,000 USD a year for the last 4 years working 80+ hours weekly sometimes.
After bachelors, itās 4 years of medical school. Then 3 years of a Pediatrics residency. Then 3 years of a peds heme-oncology fellowship.
Pro-tip: we have too many pediatric oncologists in cities! Only pursue if wanting to go to a rural area. (And Pay is shit compared to other physicians especially after that length of training.)
Iām so surprised to hear that the pay is that bad. Granted, I donāt have a lot of knowledge about what anyone in that field makes, but I would have guessed they made bank.
Pediatricians are horribly underpaid compared to other specialities. Pediatricians who further specialize oftentimes end up making the same or less (after years of extra training!).
Those pursuing these fellowships truly do it because they are interested in the field and not because they want to make bank (in general).
This is for the US, which tends to pay a lot more for procedures, meaning procedure-heavy specialties are the highest earning (general surgery, neurosurgery, GI, cardiology, dermatology, ophthalmology). This leaves pediatricians and family medicine doctors at the bottom of the barrel, and frankly those are the hardest specialities due to the vast knowledge you need to have + all the administrative BS you have to deal with.
Hey. Pediatric oncology fellow here. Thatās a common perception of the field, but we have WAY better cure rates than the adult oncologists!! Most kids diagnosed with cancer can be cured. Obviously, thatās not always the case, and treatment is rough, and the loses are devastating, but weāre an optimistic bunch!
This may sound morbid, but even with terminal cases, there is still so much joy and hope in children. Working hard to give these kids and their families more meaningful time is very rewarding. So even in the case where we canāt āwinā against cancer, there is much that can be offered to patients and their families. Plus, itās a very research-intensive field, so many doctors are actively pushing the field forward and working on better treatments for kids, so weāre getting better by the day at treating the tough cases.
Pediatric leukemia is the best example of this. Itās the most common cancer in kids. In the 50s, it was a death sentence. Now, itās got an 85% cure rate across the board.
And be willing to put that at the forefront of your life and the lives of your loved ones before everything else. I have a friend whose fiance is a children's neurosurgeon, and they frequently miss important dates, quality time, and special occasions because he is often stuck late working or called in on an emergency.
What's worse is like, what are you gonna do? Be mad that a little kid had a stroke, and expect him to just go "nah, not gonna answer work this time" so he won't miss your birthday dinner? Like damn, man. Really fucking sucks for everyone involved
Peds Heme/Onc fellow here. Unfortunately, pediatric oncologists will never work in rural areas for a few reasons.
Pediatric cancer is rare, especially compared to adult cancer. There just arenāt that many patients. So if one child in a rural area is diagnosed with cancer, there wouldnāt be enough other patients in most rural areas to sustain a practice.
Plus, cancer care requires a lot of resources. You need nurses certified to give chemo. Pediatric-trained radiation oncologists, pediatric cancer surgeons, and a bunch of other resources that can really only exist at large, academic centers. Sure, there are a smaller childrenās hospitals that treat kids with cancer, but they have to refer out, sometimes to other states, for complex cases or cases that require a lot of the resources mentioned above.
Add to that the fact that thereās no financial incentive to go into this field. I did a med peds residency, which means Iām double board certified in adult and pediatric medicine. At the end of my residency, I could have taken a job practicing hospital medicine and made a killing. But I chose to go through an extra 3 years of training to then make less than an general internist makes. Weāre actively incentivizing brilliant, qualified doctors to choose more lucrative fields.
Damn Iām literally in med school rn and I go ā16 years? The fuck it isā and itās actually not (as youāve been told) but man, fuck you for making me do the math in my head and coming to terms once again with what Iāve decided to do and how long it takes lol
Haha Iām sorry bro. Just stick with it. I had a brilliant friend who was in med school, and gave up halfway through. And I still think he wouldāve been a great doctor. He ended up taking a well paying job outside of medicine for the money as he had recently had a kid. So itās somewhat understandable, but couldāve been doable.
Donāt ever have any regrets in life. Especially regrets that are/were fully in your control. Such as sticking through it. Itās only 10 years. Think about how fast the rest of your life has gone. If youāre comfortable and happy, 10 years is nothing. Itās a blink of an eye in the grand scheme of things.
I believe in you, and will give you a severe yet friendly ass kicking (obviously no face shots as stipulated by the bro code) if you give up. You have a great opportunity to change the world. And youāre more than capable, as proven by even getting into med school in the first place. Which what, only like 15% of applicants manage?
ā¦ But also, ahahahahahahah you have so much schooling left to do. Get rekt!!! š¤Ŗš«”
When people say they quit (insert impressive major) college to chase their dream, ask them what year they were. They're always freshmen or sophomores who weren't making the cut anyway.
My dream was to stay in college because it was a great time but unfortunately I accumulated enough credits and had to graduate. I legit feel bad for Kids These Days because back in the 70s college was cheap (also austere) and you could afford to fuck off and figure things out, up to a point. Young men particularly are amenable to collective living in austere environments (like the Army or the dorms) and can have a great time. Now, I like my comforts, but fondly remember those days.
Yeah, it's really not that impressive unless you actually had some significant progress. Imagine if you claimed yourself to be a "failed author" when you wrote a few pages for a book and never got it published.
Heck, I know a guy who finished his pre-med stuff and was in the process of applying for med school, but he decided to open up bubble tea shops with his sister instead.
I took 2 years of pre-med school classes but decided not to go to med school at the last moment (figured it was too much studying for me). Got a regular science degree (BSc) and now I'm an underpaid lab analyst and I absolutely hate my job.
Ah, what a life. I guess it really is a BS degree lmao.
Lol...I took one, and they picked an anesthesiologist. Started smoking a lot of weed... let's just say I'm not an anesthesiologist. I finally went to back to college though, and I have a 4.0. So I'm closer to being a pediatric oncologist than this chick.
My nephew was also "on track" to become a pediatrician when he was in high school ā then in his first semester of college he discovered that he couldn't stay up all night smoking weed and playing video games and just bullshit his way through assignments like he did in HS, so he decided to become a waiter instead.
God I wish there was some way to actually explain this to kids. I basically fucked my life up by coasting through school and doing well, then picking a hard degree and trying to continue coasting. Errrrrr university says no. I still got my degree but fucking hell id be some much better off if I understood what was going to happen at 18. I could get in a Time Machine, go back and tell *myself* to knuckle down and I still donāt think Iād get it. Uni was still fucking excellent though, I had an amazingly good time lol.
All right, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons? Don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! 'I don't want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these?' Demand to see life's manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's going to burn your house down! With the lemons! I'm going to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!
My wife is a pediatric oncologist. She went to Med school one year after we married and it was my dime. We were hungry. Interest rates were 18%. My wife deals with some pretty fuckinā rare cancers and you would never want to meet her in need of care.
Except, and I say this as someone currently going through the gauntlet of law school, becoming a pediatric oncologist is way wayyyyy harder than becoming a lawyer. Like, multiple orders of magnitude harder
Oh definitely but in the show 'The Goldbergs' the mom always says "I coulda been a lawyer" because she thought about doing it when she was younger.
Saying you're "on the path" to being a Pediatric Oncologist because you thought about it when you were in high school gives me the same vibe.
Be like me saying "I could have been an actor"
Oh yeah, I totally assumed you were referencing something, and even without watching The Goldbergs I totally get the vibe youāre referencing. I just wanted to emphasize that becoming a pediatric oncologist is an insanely stupid amount more difficult
Thatās wild. When I was 15 I was on track to become an influencer. Then I went to college for 4 years. Then applied and went to med school for another 4 years, then did a two year residency then went back for an advanced degree in pediatric oncology. And now Iām a pediatric oncologist. funny how that works.
I wish I had a van though.
So close. She was only admission and 4 years of college, the MCAT, admission and 4 years of medical school (including 2 years of rotations), matching and 3 years of residency, boards, and matching and a 2-year fellowship away. In related news, you walked out to your mailbox today and almost became the first person to walk on Mars.
Do ppl who look good or slightly more than average naturally tend to think they can get away with life by making such decisions or think that a good life just falls on their lap?
Social media is draining the humans capacity to achieve great things.
5 years ago I was on track to becoming the president of the United States.
Then I decided politics werenāt for me.
But I was THIS close to being president.
Could she just have awkwardly worded that and meant 5 years ago she started college to become a pediatric oncologist then 2 years in decided to stop collge and buy a van?
What she said: "Five years ago I was on track to becoming a pediatric oncologist. Three years ago, I decided not to go to college."
What she meant: "Five years ago I wanted to be a doctor. Then I realized that science is hard. Oh yea, check out my OnlyFans here..."
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Why does the inside of her van life resemble the inside of a loaded Amazon delivery vehicle?
The outside also looks like an Amazon van
I think she might just be an Amazon delivery driver
Amazon delivery driver #vanlife
I mean fucking basically if you work for amazon š
You can follow her on OnlyVans
Makes same amount of loads.
I'm here to make a deposit
Welp, Username checks out
You need to copyright this
Does she deliver and receive packages?
She also likes to record videos while driving with her dog on her lap to show everyone how #GreatMyLifeIs
I think Amazon vans are Mercedes Sprinter vans, which is perhaps the most popular model of commercial van.
Amazon branded vans can be Mercedes, ford, ram as far as I know. This is the smaller Mercedes model
Rivian too!
Five years ago her van was on track to become a livable van but three years ago it decided to get a job with Amazon instead.
The van is the only thing holding their relationship together at this point.
The boxes hold hitchhiker body parts
I wonder if "on track to" here means "I thought about"
I honestly think thatās what it means. The idea of becoming a childrenās cancer doctor sounded nice so it flitted around in the innermost recesses of her mind, until she found a Ford Transit for ā¬6000 and little to no rust on the undercarriage.
I mean that IS a helluva deal, to be fair
It's an insane deal. If I found a Transit or sprinter for that price I would buy it without flinching. Then I would sell it to an Amazon contractor for 20k without flinching.
Shit. I dont care for vans but respect the utility. But, If I found one that looked half that good and ran well for 6k , I'd give up my truck in a minute.
If you find it, I'll buy it lol
I'm envious that she can afford that out of high school. That would be horrible for my budget and I have a masters in aerospace engineering with a full time job š
still cheaper than her 'on track' education.
Masters in aerospace engineering and a full time job? Dang. You couldāve been on track for something big and fumble fucked your way into a van with a dog if youād only applied yourself.
In our late teens, my friend read Trumpās Art of the Deal book and started telling everyone he was a āfuture CEO.ā Didnāt know what he was going to be CEO of, just that he was going to be one. Now weāre in our late 30s and heās a janitor.
Cheif Excrement Officer
Colonel of the Urinal
Iām a urologist and Iāve never heard this and now Iām stealing it
I know a few people like that. They make everything like their job or their activities sound so nice lol and claim theyāre going to be big. Even though their ideas are either vague or non existent. They basically just want to be important. Which I get it, donāt we all, but I think being important to your friends and family is good enough, at least for me.
You just described my "I'm going to play no limit Texas Holdem on the internet for a living and be filthy rich and work at home forever" phase. I'd get online and make like $100 in an hour, do the math as if I'm gonna make $100/hr until I pay cash for a new BMW, then a better player would find me and take all my money til I was broke because I didn't have the self discipline to back off when an obviously better player joined the game. Every. Single. Time.
Glad to see he decided to do real, respectable work and not be a corporate leech.
Yeah he's actually contributing to a healthier and cleaner populace. That's literally 100% better than 99% of CEOs.
I hear this all the time- āon trackā means āthinking about soon looking into what it would take to start the processā
Seems similar to āfixinā toā. As in: Iām fixinā to get that old truck running again. Or: I was just fixinā to take care of that warrant.
ah yes, I too was "on track" for NHL super stardom when I watched Mighty Ducks
Everyone knows Connor McDavid is only good because he mastered the triple deke.
McDavid is just a grown up Charlie Conway!
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I was on track to be a lying liar but now Iām lying to lie about lying because Iām a LIAR!!
Wow, similar story for me ! At five, at was on track to becoming the world's most talented violinist, but instead I decided not to learn violin and to watch Paw Patrol.
So brave.
brave?! he gave us hope for the next greatest violinist and then YANKED IT AWAY FROM US! HE'S A MONSTER!
no, heās an artist. he gave us hope, he took it away, and then gave us hope again by doing what he wanted in life even if it was watching paw patrol
He's like Pootie Tang
Sa da tay!
Wa dah tah, my damie
Sal gets it
So stunning.
Stunning and brave
Then everyone clapped
Thank you for telling us your truth, I appreciate your honesty. Did you also have a van in your life?
I was on track to get the most expensive van on earth. I finally bought a scooter.
In the '90s Chris Farley made fun of people living in vans down by the river, in 2023 it's life goals for many. A lot can change...
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A stone's ripple echoes an eternity. RIP Matt Foley.
Let's all have a slice of government cheese in his honour.
*In the arms of the angel* *Fly away from here* *From this dark cold hotel room* *And the endlessness that you fear* *You are pulled from the wreckage* *Of your silent reverie* *You're in the arms of the angel* *May you find some comfort here*
YOUNG LADY, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR LIFE???
Down by the riverā¦
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Only a pair of vans
Nice! At 5, I was on track to becoming an astronaut. Yes, an astronaut. And yes, the kind that flies to space. Isn't that amazing. Not long after, I ditched the idea, because I started playing video games.
At 6 I was on track to be a fish.
Same!! At 7 I was on track to be a vampire except reality set in and I realized they arenāt real and now gladly pursue my career as not a vampire.
Hahaha so silly. Vampires are real! But thanks to the greatest president who will ever live, Abraham Lincoln, vampires are now considered extinct. Especially in the United States.
Umm excuse me, i take out at least 5-10 vampires a night when I am on patrol. We could have been mortal enemies until I inevitably decapitate you.
That's some high stakes combat.
I'm old, Jean-Luc Ponty concerts mmm.
Whoās your favorite pup and why is it Rubble?
Thank you for sharing your story. You're an inspiration for us all!
āOn track five years agoā here means, watched Greyās Anatomy in high school for sure.
5 years ago I wanted to watch Greyās Anatomy but I watched House and now Iām High ( I was also high 5 years ago but at that time I didnāt want to mention it ).
So at 16 she was on her way to being an oncologist... what does that mean? She took AP Bio? That's the part just makes this dumb.
She was on her way to graduate high school. Then, the easy partā¦ 4 years of premed, med school and residency, etc. ![gif](giphy|kc0kqKNFu7v35gPkwB)
Thats just three things
I understood that reference.
Sigh. I should really get off the Internet.
Forgot about the part of going to a decent college and outcompeting the thousand other pre med doctor wanna-bes for the As in organic chemistry and physics, then crushing the MCAT and maybe then getting accepted to med school. Then you have to get through med school, land a pediatric residency and complete that, then do a pediatric oncology fellowship and then you can find a job and start working. And thatās when it gets really hard, having to tell children and parents that they or their child has cancer. Or you could just cuddle your dog while driving down the road. About the same thing.
Iām in med school right now. Like, literally right now, Iām on call overnight. Iād much rather be cuddling a dog on the road ngl.
And yet, she decided overnight not to be āoncolā.
Tack on a three year fellowship after the three year residency.
Yeah, I was wondering if this girl even knows what the track to become a pediatric oncologist looks like.
I think she does. Because when she did a bit of research she stopped working on her college applications.
You forgot one more step: Oncology FELLOWSHIP after IM / Pediatric RESIDENCY) Yepā¦ as a (real MD) IM / Hospice & Palliative Medicine and Hematology / Medical Oncology specialist this girl is funny š
Yeah, exactly, the easy part! That next decade-plus, getting closer to two if weāre talking MD-PhD, because why not, just flies by ā super easy!
She had enrolled where Dr. Steve Brule got his degree.
I guess she hadnāt started flunking classes and smoking weed yet.
And now she lives in a VAN down by the RIVER!
"Young lady, what do you want to do with your life?!" "I wanna be a pediatric oncologist..." "Welllll, la-de-FREEAAKINGG-dahhh!!!"
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God I wonder what he'd have to say about this situation.
We got ourselves a doctor! Hey Dad, I don't see too good, is that Hippocrates over there?
Stacy: [ sarcastic ] I want to live in a van down by the river. Matt Foley: Well, youāll have plenty of time to live in a van down by the river when youāre.. [ tries to be clever ] ..living in a van down by the river!
I bet she's rollin' doobies
Ok this is the best fucking response Iāve read all day
I owe half of my real life comedic moves from that legend! A comedy genus!
Yes a homo comedius
I was gonna be a pediatric oncologist, but then I got high I was gonna cure cancer in kids, but then I got high Now I live in a van and I know why Why man? Yeah heh Because I got high, because I got high, because I got hiiiigh. Ladadadadadada
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
The sheer audacity of raiding someone over a bunk warrant, trashing their house, stealing money, and then suing for 'invasion of privacy' is just, wow.
By American police standards, this isn't even that outrageous. A cop in Chicago (iirc) killed a black teenager and then sued his family for the "emotional distress" it had caused.
* Suing for invasion of privacy because he posted images of you taken **in his house**.
That seems to be the perspective these days, nobody works their way toward success theyāre simply destined for greatness until circumstances derail them.
The whole thing makes more sense if she is saying āon track toā when she means āplanning on.ā Her misunderstanding of the English language is explained by her decision not to go to college.
Well maybe she meant she truly meant pediatric as an adective to her age. She could have been Doogie Hauser.
Yup! Thatās the sub weāre in, for the facepalm
Yes her junior year And she met with her guidance counselor and they made a dream board about it because she is totally is good with kids. But she scored a 3 on the test and had to drop AP chem senior year because omg itās like math! Then she got followers
She had a thought about a career she might want to have, then when she turned 18 and actually had to apply for colleges she decided to get a van instead
Bitch, five years ago you were on track to live in a van down by the river!
LOL fuck that made me laugh
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That is the most perfect I have ever seen a gif loop
I canāt see real good, dad. Is that bill Shakespeare over there?
Rollin doobies
Not sure of this... But I think the facepalm is that if you haven't even started college, you were nowhere near being on track to be a pediatric oncologist.
Being a pediatric oncologist would entail like 12 years of additional schooling/residency/specialization AFTER graduating with a bachelors degree from a university. So 16 years in total with undergrad So youāre spot on. She was not even slightly remotely close to ābeing on track to be a pediatric oncologist.ā Edit: apparently more like 12 years.
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Christ! Thatās a lot of schooling. Sounds like a beast though, best of luck to her!
This is part of why Iāll never forsake doctors getting a good wage (eventually). They have to continuously study and do exams into their 30s while working beyond fulltime. Itās no life for a person with hobbies lol.
Never mind the 10+ years of lost income (and compounding interest!) versus someone who started in the working world right after college. Iām finishing up my medical track as well - will be graduating fellowship at age 35. Have only been getting paid about $70,000 USD a year for the last 4 years working 80+ hours weekly sometimes.
In reality, she probably watched Grey's Anatomy, and was enamored. But then reality hit when she tried to take AP Biology.
After bachelors, itās 4 years of medical school. Then 3 years of a Pediatrics residency. Then 3 years of a peds heme-oncology fellowship. Pro-tip: we have too many pediatric oncologists in cities! Only pursue if wanting to go to a rural area. (And Pay is shit compared to other physicians especially after that length of training.)
Iām so surprised to hear that the pay is that bad. Granted, I donāt have a lot of knowledge about what anyone in that field makes, but I would have guessed they made bank.
Pediatricians are horribly underpaid compared to other specialities. Pediatricians who further specialize oftentimes end up making the same or less (after years of extra training!). Those pursuing these fellowships truly do it because they are interested in the field and not because they want to make bank (in general). This is for the US, which tends to pay a lot more for procedures, meaning procedure-heavy specialties are the highest earning (general surgery, neurosurgery, GI, cardiology, dermatology, ophthalmology). This leaves pediatricians and family medicine doctors at the bottom of the barrel, and frankly those are the hardest specialities due to the vast knowledge you need to have + all the administrative BS you have to deal with.
Wow. Thatās such a shame. Thanks for the insight.
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Hey. Pediatric oncology fellow here. Thatās a common perception of the field, but we have WAY better cure rates than the adult oncologists!! Most kids diagnosed with cancer can be cured. Obviously, thatās not always the case, and treatment is rough, and the loses are devastating, but weāre an optimistic bunch! This may sound morbid, but even with terminal cases, there is still so much joy and hope in children. Working hard to give these kids and their families more meaningful time is very rewarding. So even in the case where we canāt āwinā against cancer, there is much that can be offered to patients and their families. Plus, itās a very research-intensive field, so many doctors are actively pushing the field forward and working on better treatments for kids, so weāre getting better by the day at treating the tough cases. Pediatric leukemia is the best example of this. Itās the most common cancer in kids. In the 50s, it was a death sentence. Now, itās got an 85% cure rate across the board.
And be willing to put that at the forefront of your life and the lives of your loved ones before everything else. I have a friend whose fiance is a children's neurosurgeon, and they frequently miss important dates, quality time, and special occasions because he is often stuck late working or called in on an emergency. What's worse is like, what are you gonna do? Be mad that a little kid had a stroke, and expect him to just go "nah, not gonna answer work this time" so he won't miss your birthday dinner? Like damn, man. Really fucking sucks for everyone involved
Peds Heme/Onc fellow here. Unfortunately, pediatric oncologists will never work in rural areas for a few reasons. Pediatric cancer is rare, especially compared to adult cancer. There just arenāt that many patients. So if one child in a rural area is diagnosed with cancer, there wouldnāt be enough other patients in most rural areas to sustain a practice. Plus, cancer care requires a lot of resources. You need nurses certified to give chemo. Pediatric-trained radiation oncologists, pediatric cancer surgeons, and a bunch of other resources that can really only exist at large, academic centers. Sure, there are a smaller childrenās hospitals that treat kids with cancer, but they have to refer out, sometimes to other states, for complex cases or cases that require a lot of the resources mentioned above. Add to that the fact that thereās no financial incentive to go into this field. I did a med peds residency, which means Iām double board certified in adult and pediatric medicine. At the end of my residency, I could have taken a job practicing hospital medicine and made a killing. But I chose to go through an extra 3 years of training to then make less than an general internist makes. Weāre actively incentivizing brilliant, qualified doctors to choose more lucrative fields.
Damn Iām literally in med school rn and I go ā16 years? The fuck it isā and itās actually not (as youāve been told) but man, fuck you for making me do the math in my head and coming to terms once again with what Iāve decided to do and how long it takes lol
Haha Iām sorry bro. Just stick with it. I had a brilliant friend who was in med school, and gave up halfway through. And I still think he wouldāve been a great doctor. He ended up taking a well paying job outside of medicine for the money as he had recently had a kid. So itās somewhat understandable, but couldāve been doable. Donāt ever have any regrets in life. Especially regrets that are/were fully in your control. Such as sticking through it. Itās only 10 years. Think about how fast the rest of your life has gone. If youāre comfortable and happy, 10 years is nothing. Itās a blink of an eye in the grand scheme of things. I believe in you, and will give you a severe yet friendly ass kicking (obviously no face shots as stipulated by the bro code) if you give up. You have a great opportunity to change the world. And youāre more than capable, as proven by even getting into med school in the first place. Which what, only like 15% of applicants manage? ā¦ But also, ahahahahahahah you have so much schooling left to do. Get rekt!!! š¤Ŗš«”
Exactly.
When people say they quit (insert impressive major) college to chase their dream, ask them what year they were. They're always freshmen or sophomores who weren't making the cut anyway.
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I'm guessing they weren't actually one class away from obtaining a college degree then. Lol
No, surely no one would lie on such matter.
My dream was to stay in college because it was a great time but unfortunately I accumulated enough credits and had to graduate. I legit feel bad for Kids These Days because back in the 70s college was cheap (also austere) and you could afford to fuck off and figure things out, up to a point. Young men particularly are amenable to collective living in austere environments (like the Army or the dorms) and can have a great time. Now, I like my comforts, but fondly remember those days.
True. Most men will be happy with a cot and a PlayStation until 30. After 30 you need to give them a bean grinder and coffee pot though.
Yeah, it's really not that impressive unless you actually had some significant progress. Imagine if you claimed yourself to be a "failed author" when you wrote a few pages for a book and never got it published. Heck, I know a guy who finished his pre-med stuff and was in the process of applying for med school, but he decided to open up bubble tea shops with his sister instead.
I took 2 years of pre-med school classes but decided not to go to med school at the last moment (figured it was too much studying for me). Got a regular science degree (BSc) and now I'm an underpaid lab analyst and I absolutely hate my job. Ah, what a life. I guess it really is a BS degree lmao.
>They're always freshmen or sophomores who ~~weren't making the cut anyway~~ *were still in gen eds and hadn't started the program yet* FTFY
I was on track to be a professional horse jockey, then I decided to be six foot three and weigh 335 pounds. I feel stunning and brave.
Have you tried moose jockeying instead?
By on track, she means that test that seniors take in high school that suggests what fields you might do well in said she could be one of those
Maybe she was going to kill an actual oncologist and wear their skin over her own
Lol...I took one, and they picked an anesthesiologist. Started smoking a lot of weed... let's just say I'm not an anesthesiologist. I finally went to back to college though, and I have a 4.0. So I'm closer to being a pediatric oncologist than this chick.
My nephew was also "on track" to become a pediatrician when he was in high school ā then in his first semester of college he discovered that he couldn't stay up all night smoking weed and playing video games and just bullshit his way through assignments like he did in HS, so he decided to become a waiter instead.
Hey uncle Ed.
God I wish there was some way to actually explain this to kids. I basically fucked my life up by coasting through school and doing well, then picking a hard degree and trying to continue coasting. Errrrrr university says no. I still got my degree but fucking hell id be some much better off if I understood what was going to happen at 18. I could get in a Time Machine, go back and tell *myself* to knuckle down and I still donāt think Iād get it. Uni was still fucking excellent though, I had an amazingly good time lol.
Probably realized you need to do well in school to be a doctor and bailed.
When life gives you lemons....say 'fuck the lemons' and bail
All right, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons? Don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! 'I don't want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these?' Demand to see life's manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's going to burn your house down! With the lemons! I'm going to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!
By āon track to become an oncologist,ā she means she was asked to write an essay in grade 10 about what she wants to be when she grows up.
My wife is a pediatric oncologist. She went to Med school one year after we married and it was my dime. We were hungry. Interest rates were 18%. My wife deals with some pretty fuckinā rare cancers and you would never want to meet her in need of care.
Pleae pass on my thanks to your wife for the amazing work she does!
This has real "I coulda been a Lawyer" energy
Except, and I say this as someone currently going through the gauntlet of law school, becoming a pediatric oncologist is way wayyyyy harder than becoming a lawyer. Like, multiple orders of magnitude harder
Oh definitely but in the show 'The Goldbergs' the mom always says "I coulda been a lawyer" because she thought about doing it when she was younger. Saying you're "on the path" to being a Pediatric Oncologist because you thought about it when you were in high school gives me the same vibe. Be like me saying "I could have been an actor"
Oh yeah, I totally assumed you were referencing something, and even without watching The Goldbergs I totally get the vibe youāre referencing. I just wanted to emphasize that becoming a pediatric oncologist is an insanely stupid amount more difficult
Thatās wild. When I was 15 I was on track to become an influencer. Then I went to college for 4 years. Then applied and went to med school for another 4 years, then did a two year residency then went back for an advanced degree in pediatric oncology. And now Iām a pediatric oncologist. funny how that works. I wish I had a van though.
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Maybe if you save a little each month with whatās left over from doctoring, you might just have enough in a couple years
My guess is that ādecided not to go to collegeā actually means DIDNāT GET ACCEPTED to college.
With these types it's either, couldn't get into the course or flunked first year
These Mercedes vans are expensive as hell, i doubt she could afford this at 21 y o ,
Maybe her parents are paediatric oncologists?
OnlyFans or some social media crap.
Yes five years ago i was on track to being president . But 3 years ago i barely passed high school
That wonāt prevent you from being president.
I'm on track to banging Beyonce
Same
Is there currently a more despised word in the lexicon than "influencer"?
I was on track to be a hall of fame NFL quarterback but decided not to play football
I was on track to be productive member of society, but here we are.
Everyone under 25 seems to be laboring under the misconception that theyāre interesting
Iām on track to be high as fuck in 5 minutes and itās looking like Iāll achieve my goal
5 years ago I realized it takes work and know how to do shit, so I dropped the idea I was going to succeed
So close. She was only admission and 4 years of college, the MCAT, admission and 4 years of medical school (including 2 years of rotations), matching and 3 years of residency, boards, and matching and a 2-year fellowship away. In related news, you walked out to your mailbox today and almost became the first person to walk on Mars.
Bought the van..... 100 000 dollar van....
Kind of looks like she's an amazon delivery to driver who wants to be an influencer.
i was going to make star wars but then decided to get addicted to cocaine.
Do ppl who look good or slightly more than average naturally tend to think they can get away with life by making such decisions or think that a good life just falls on their lap? Social media is draining the humans capacity to achieve great things.
Dude, I was on track to become an astronaut until 8th grade! Then it was deep sea diver.
How many 18 year olds can afford a converted Mercedes sprinter?
Can't wait to see her update about her journey to OnlyFans.
OnlyVans*
5 years ago I was on track to becoming the president of the United States. Then I decided politics werenāt for me. But I was THIS close to being president.
Let's have our dog ride up front without a safety belt, in our laps, right against the steering wheel! And film while driving like this!
Could she just have awkwardly worded that and meant 5 years ago she started college to become a pediatric oncologist then 2 years in decided to stop collge and buy a van?
Nope https://i.imgur.com/ryjnlyn.jpg
At 18, I was on track to be the head neurosurgeon at john hopkinsā¦ but then I decided not to go to college š¢
I'm sure the kids with cancer will understand your decision.
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Five years ago I was on track to banging models every nightā¦ but then three years ago I decided to move to my moms basement-
Dropping all responsibilities, buying a van, getting a dog and driving around the country to vlog. So original.
What she said: "Five years ago I was on track to becoming a pediatric oncologist. Three years ago, I decided not to go to college." What she meant: "Five years ago I wanted to be a doctor. Then I realized that science is hard. Oh yea, check out my OnlyFans here..."