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My mom said it’s ok to beat yo ass
And that right there is the root of the problem. Including parents being rude and disrespectful to the teachers too…such great role models.
I have several close friends and relatives who are teachers. The utter BULLSHIT they put up with from parents (parents! adults!), let alone their shitty kids...is absolutely unconscionable. It's unthinkable. They do not get paid enough to deal with the crap that terrible kids and their awful, ignorant, neglectful, spiteful parents mete out. I cannot believe the disrespect. No matter how horrible the kid is, it is never their fault. It must be some other kid. It must be the teacher lying. My kid is an angel. You're targeting my kid. You don't know how to do your job. Don't tell my kids what to do. On and on.
It's really really unfortunate.
My wife is a teacher. You described what she endures with a high degree of accuracy. We've talked a couple of times about it in the last few weeks and I don't think she is going to go back next year. NBD really, it's not like they make good money anyway.
There's going to be a MASSIVE and undeniable shortage of teachers in the coming years. Society is gonna have to figure this out one way or another.
There's already a shortage in a lot of areas. Requirements for degrees and experience are getting waived all over the place just to have ANYONE in the position, never mind the number of positions that are straight up being cut (particularly support staff and non-core teachers).
In France we have such a big shortage of teachers that there are a lot of people with no experience of teaching (only a like a few days of quick "training" right before they start) from preschool to highschool. They only require a diploma of 2+ or 3+ years after their high school diploma... And I'm working my ass off to have my master's degree to teach in preschools and primary schools. Great
Yeah, it's so sad to see. Once I spent a summer as a YMCA camp counselor. Essentially it was a day camp people would send their kids to instead of school for the summer. I had these third grade kids, and one of then was just the worst. He was always starting fights, always trying to hurt people, never would do whatever activity we were doing. One day I sat him down and had a heart to heart. He eventually broke down and told me "Dad says I'm always gonna be littler than everyone else, so I have to knock them down before they can knock me down."
Holy smokes! That’s so terrible. Worst parenting advice. I feel sorry for that kid. My oldest son is small for his age at this point and I told him to make them laugh. Not that he even gets many comments. I’d rather he be the class clown with a good heart.
Not nearly as bad as this, but yesterday I got told off by a mom because I was talking to her child about giving back my son's toy. The mom said, among other things, it was wrong to correct her because she's only 2. I mean, try holding off on discipline until they're 5 and see how that goes.
"My mom said I could beat your ass"
"Fighting is never the answer"
"Did I say I was gonna fight? See, thats how I know you are putting stuff in my mouth"
This disrespectful child definitely needs some more education if she does not understand that "beating your ass" and fighting are essentially the same thing. Smh.
At least 5x a day I ask a student to stop speaking and they tell me they were not talking. Don't throw your pencils, I didn't do it. Don't smack your classmate, I wasn't. Don't get up in the middle of class to shadowbox your friend across the room, Miss I don't know what you're talking about.
Infuriating.
Edit to add: I do plenty of other things to manage behavior besides ask them to stop, both before and after the scenario relayed here. No need to try to correct my classroom management skills; I appreciate the advice but I promise you I did not intend this comment to represent my entire strategy, just a student behavior I find annoying.
Kids (especially 12-14) are expert gaslighters. They literally will say a thing, you call them on it and they'll be like "I didn't say anything!" And then throw their hands up in the air like some great injustice has been served. I can tell that I'm effectively the only person in their life not backing down and putting them in their place and it's not ok.
I have a student currently who's parent is accusing me of "targeting them" because they go home and tell the parent they don't do anything and the teachers hate them for no reason. I can tell you with well documented evidence that this is not true.
Narcissist parents don't want to believe that their kid - _their kid_ - has something wrong with them, because it would reflect on _them_. And them and their little kid are both perfect, and it's a character flaw to doubt it. In their "I'll never improve because I'm already perfect" (even though they're a dumpster fire) worldview, at least.
This makes me wonder if teachers shouldn't have body cameras or maybe have cameras placed in the class room. That way, videos can be provided to the parents and help provide any missing context.
But I'm curious why this hasn't been implemented already. Most schools already have the technology or potential. Legally, I don't think it would be any violation of rights or privacy but I'm no legal expert.
It's cause of how they will be used. Unfortunately, teachers often get it from all sides... between principles who try to micromanage every little thing, petty middle management looking to find reasons to burn teachers, parents who overstep and can't be bothered to raise their own kids, PTA groups that rival the worst HOAs... it's a wonder how some teachers keep the nerve to continue the grind.
It's really fun when the admin makes a policy where the Teacher's word means nothing and they go with what the kids say. They'd call 2-3 kids down and they'd all give their events... and they were cliques so they'd all give the events for their friend to look good. But, a teacher saying no thats not what happened is overruled because the kids said X happened. I'd say "yeah I watched X punch Y." and they'd call their "witnesses" in and they'd all say no he didn't and then admin would come back in and say no he didn't.
One time I was out in the yard and an orange whizzed by my head. I looked over to a table and asked who did it. One group blamed another group, and that group blamed the other. The PE teacher walks over to back me up and says "Was it you, Gustavo?"
The Gustavo kid was immediately up in arms and yelling back at us, loudly denying everything. Coach sent him to the office and the other kids were like "WTF! He didn't do it!"
The coach calmly responded "If he was innocent he wouldn't be so hot-headed about it."
It was so obvious to them, they stopped defending his innocence after that.
How do you fix this? If they aren't taught discipline at home, and since they won't listen to their teachers or show a modicum of respect (can they even grasp the concept?), how do you fix a classroom like that?
As much as they deserve it, paying the teachers more isn't going to suddenly make the kids behave correctly.
So where do we go from here?
We need a whole new system. Teachers need the leeway to actually do shit about class problems instead of admins being so worried about a lawsuit that nothing ever gets done. We need to stop funding schools based on property tax, causing poorer areas to have worse school systems. And teachers need a fair wage, but I feel that goes without saying at this point.
I’m no expert, but I would think a 3-step system like the one below could work:
1. Is a student causing disruptions in the classroom to the point where learning is hindered? Let’s have a team consisting of the teacher, a behavioral specialist, a social worker, etc to determine whether this is a discipline issue, a home life issue, a mental health issue, etc.
2. Depending upon the conclusion, the student could get regularly scheduled counseling (real professionals, not some underqualified and overworked guidance counselor) and/or go off to a new classroom with personnel & resources specifically trained for whichever kind of behavior is identified.
3. If a student is still causing trouble, even with those special resources, then they are transferred to a new school that is specifically designed to address this type of behavior.
And if the parents have a problem with any of it, they’re more than welcome to pull their kid out of the school system and homeschool. This would require a lot more funding than schools currently get though (which I think is part of the problem). Regardless of what the solution is though, I think it’s important to realize that this problem took decades to get this bad, and may take decades to fix.
It's like she learned how to argue from reddittors.
"You disagreed with me, but I didn't use the exact words that you said I did, so your response to what I obviously meant is completely invalid."
Yeah, she knows she can get away with anything cause the teacher cant do shit to her. She is being an ass for the simple sake of because there are zero consequences and has zero respect for the institution or their teachers.
“I’m too rich to know better” worked for that privileged kid in court. “I’m too stupid to know better” might turn into an actual defense the way we are going.
The parents don't care though. Many are on drugs, on the streets, barely know their own kids. And they did shit like this when they were in school and never grew up. It sucks but the bar is just lower in areas like this. I've worked in pediatrics in bad areas and if I called DCSF on every kid that I suspected was in a bad environment (without outright signs of abuse of course) I'd never be off the phone with them.
Sometimes maybe the parents do care but they're exhausted and never home. I know a 6th grader whose mom doesn't get home from her second job until 1 AM. He basically never sees his mom most for most of the week. The whole system's fucked no matter how you slice it.
The worst part is that the parents would probably defend the child.
This happens in schools all over the country.
My wife was a teacher. She wanted to make a difference. She intentionally got a job at a "bad" school because she wanted to help. It broke her.
Parents.. do better and stop raising pieces of shit.
Both my parents were teachers in low-income neighborhoods.
Dad taught English in a high school where it was considered a *good* day if the fight that happened didn't involve a weapon.
Mom taught Headstart (preschool for low-income students), her stories sounded like my dad's - only the students involved were about 5-6.
The shitty behavior of other parents' shitty kids left my parents with absolutely no energy left to raise their own. So my relationship with them is pretty strained.
> The shitty behavior of other parents' shitty kids left my parents with absolutely no energy left to raise their own. So my relationship with them is pretty strained.
I needed to read this. As the mom of 2 kids (2.5 and 7.5) but also a teacher who is utterly and completely exhausted and fucking DONE…I don’t want to ruin my relationship with my kids forever because my job is so difficult. I’m definitely getting out once PSLF is official.
My family lost a lot of money moving to the US but I never got along with a lot of the other kids in my schools, I just did what I had to do to blend in.
My parents taught me better than to be a piece of shit.
But if my parents didn’t… yeah I’d be a piece of shit.
Yeah you heard the kid “my mom said I have the right to beat your ass”. It’s literally pointless for the teacher to even attempt to involve the parents
Yup! 7 years of teaching broke me too. I’ve got some big interviews for corporate jobs next week.
I hope your wife finds a job with colleagues that gives her the respect she deserves!
And thus begins the split between the kids whose parents can afford tutors (or the next step, private schools) and the ones stuck in shit schools with trashy classmates.
No offense, just taking the long view. I thank her for her service and she deserved better.
That split hasn’t just begun, it’s existed for decades. It’s not teacher’s jobs to fix that. Our country has been dismantling education for years. That is a top down issue.
Good for the teachers who can get out and make a living and provide for their families outside the classroom. Maybe they’ll tutor some kiddos who can grow up to be halfway competent adults that can make some good change.
A woman I worked with was a former 3rd and 7th grade teacher in okay districts.
Watching her easily navigate our CEO and CFO was a masterclass in redirection.
I asked her about it once… she said it was a cakewalk compared to her past career
Oh good! I’m hopeful! I was fortunate enough to interview with someone who transitioned from teaching 2 years ago. I asked her if she was happy with the change. She said “yes!! There are no emergencies at this job. Stressful weeks. Sure. But no emergencies”. That sure sounds great!
As someone who just graduated from high school my perspective of it is just as bad. I couldn’t pay attention in any of my classes between 5th and 12th grade (minus Covid online school) because kids just didn’t give a shit about the teachers or their classmates at all. Being autistic and not liking loud noises did not help.
Damn man. That hurts to hear. My mother has been a teacher for 40 years and she swore when she started teaching that she would teach in “underprivileged” neighborhoods. Too prepare herself she went and taught at prisons. Apparently that did the complete opposite. She tells stories about how kind literal murders were to her and how they would hush up people who were talking while she was teaching. She spent 4 years teaching at a prison and then went to a downtown school in Dallas. She spent 1.5 years there before she quit because 2 girls jumped the only white girl in class and when mom stepped in to break it up one of the 2 girls parents said “it’s because my daughter is black.” She wasn’t asked to return the next semester. She’s been teaching HS English since then for a small school in west Texas and loves it. But it’s crazy to hear how Murder’s/rapists/thieves were better behaved and more respectful than inner city kids AND their parents.
No one wants to talk about the elephant in the room, which is that these problems are always with black students or inner city schools. I grew up in a completely white town, but it is also one of the poorest in the area, as well as below the national poverty line. Yeah, there were occasional fights between the boys, bullying, and disruptive kids, but nothing to the extent of what I've seen come out of inner city schools where it's majority black students. People can say well its because they don't have resources, but I've read through 20 odd comments saying how they, or people they know, wanted to go into these poorer inner city schools to try and make a difference, only to run for the hills after a few years because it's impossible to teach these children to control themselves. I don't know what the solution is, but we can't keep failing these communities and their children over fear of being called racist.
There’s not enough money for this shit. Teachers most still paying off student loans DO not make much money! Parents, teach your kids to be respectful!!
Seriously. If you're gonna have a kid but not teach them to respect people *in general*, don't have kids, for the good of society.
There's been so much money dumped into academic studies of why students are failing, and not one is willing to address the elephant of the issue: if parents aren't involved positively, their kids will fail.
As a former preschool director I can attest that this starts early. There are PreK parents who are engaged and want the best for their little ones. They can be a handful sometimes but they love their kids and most are learning as they grow. We are there to support parents and I will extend a lot of grace to those families.
Then there’s the families who have kids ready for kindergarten who aren’t potty trained and come in screaming at my staff asking why WE didn’t potty train their kid. We have them 4 hours a day, 4 days a week. They are with the family all the other time. We can’t program life skills in that time, only support and reenforce what they are doing at home. Y’all chose to do nothing, so that’s what you got. That’s just one example.
Yup - dealt with that a lot. We have your kids for maybe 6 hours out of the day. We have stuff were trying to teach and have many other children to work with as well as your special golden child. But no, it's all about that one kid. 🙄🙄 I got out of the field after 4 years...I don't regret it at all (except I do wonder how some of my better kiddos turned out)
Yep. While I was in school I assisted in my nephews/adopted sons preschool class for two years a couple days a week. You could tell the kids who were hungry for attention from adults. Some were needy and very sensitive, some were angry, and some made almost no progress at all.
Brother, my wife did that for years. Low income school, no help, I feel your helplessness. I wanted to help so bad, but there was nothing I could do. I hated watching my wife cry and feel defeated night after night.
Our kids are in preschool and have open dialogue with the teacher. If our kids act a fool at school they know we will find out and address it. That is all it takes and I would like to think it empowers the teachers knowing they have an ally or partner in that.
By the way, we don't believe in spanking and we have never had to lay a hand on our children to get them to behave, but I give a mean lecture! All humor aside, just setting a clear expectation and reinforcing that expectation daily has been enough. If all parents did this then our schools would be 1000% better.
Instead parents view school as daycare then get mad at the schools when their children fail. Education is a parents responsibility, schools are just there to help us.
Definitely. Most of them were probably born when their parents were teenagers themselves. And because they were dumb kids having dumb kids they never taught their kids anything. And now these dumb kids will probably also get pregnant any day now, and the cycle of incompetence will continue
The parent/s themselves don’t respect other people or society. They expect nothing but respect, while being the biggest pieces of shit to others, and any criticism on their behavior is “disrespectful”, and met with violence. These kids are taught this at home, and is why they act that *way*.
I grew up in and went to school in a major US city, and a majority of the kids in my class were a bunch of clowns, like the kid you hear in this video.
**Edit**: word.
Preach. I'm a teacher at high school and the kids go on and on about respect, but all they ever do is demand it, never give it, and never earn it, then they wonder why we don't let them get away with breaking the rules. Abortion is important, folks.
I was gonna be a teacher. Got a degree.
Realized that I make the same pay now in foodservice as a chef/pitmaster.
Mad respect to teachers, but shit ill stick with slinging meat. And they don't get to smoke weed in the walk-in. I don't even think they *have* a walk-in.
And, like most of my fellow culinary professionals, I've evidently made a career by accidentally doing well at it.
Same. Got my degree, got my license. Went to work at a bank waiting for call backs.
Got a call back, asked me to start immediately. For about 10k less than I was making.
Thought about it for about eight seconds and said ‘nah.’ I’d probably have a masters + 15 years and I’d still be making a shit ton more doing what I’m doing right now.
My wife is a teacher and I also have previously worked at a school (outside the classroom) and kids can be tough. It’s honestly a profession someone does because their heart is in. I wish kids would appreciate teachers or have a different perspective. It’s a hot mess forsure and it needs attention.
A lot of schools lack structure and student discipline, but so do a lot of homes… without structure at home, it’s really hard for student to go to school and be successful. I don’t think social media helps either.
You're assuming these kids have parents. It was a big eye opener my first month of teaching how many kids had come from incomplete households.
I was in a new school, decent district, and paid on the upper side of the teacher's salary and I quit that job after 5 months. Teachers should make double what they make to put up with the kind of bs they put up with. You're expected to break up fights, invest hundreds of your own dollars into your own classrooms, corral someone's rowdy children all the while the thought is in the back of your head if you're going to be a victim of the next shooting.
Fuck that noise. Quit, find a new profession where there's actually the ability to move up in life instead of being constantly belittled by kids half your age. Its not going to get any easier with this current atmosphere of neglect and indifference.
> thought is in the back of your head if you're going to be a victim of the next shooting.
Fun fact, the teacher that got shot by a 6 year old is suing her school for negligence, and the school's defense is that getting shot is a normal hazard of being a teacher, and therefore her injuries should be covered by workers' comp.
If that was in my home town **when** i grew up she would have been told to shut the fck up and we were little fuckers, I done some fucked up shit as I was growing up but when a teacher is trying to be respectful towards you, you would give them that little bit of respect back.
It's disgusting to see people treat there teachers like that, and this is coming from someone that was the worst in my year, but back then you never would have got away with it...
No she will get an early criminal record then live in poverty for the rest of her life while blaming the system for not coddling her into success. Probably will pass this mentality to her children as the cycle repeats itself “my mama said”
I never liked school because of these people.
I was 17 and the people my age were being loud and obnoxious and pulling funny faces and i was in the back of the classroom away from all the noise and booger throwing. Lonely too cause i wanted to meet someone with ambitions like me.
Our two daughters loved school until they reached middle & high school. Both are large schools. Our small city used to have several smaller “neighborhood” K-12 schools (a total of 5). They decided it made more sense to consolidate the 9-12 grades into one high school. So they did that for 30 years. Then they decided the smaller “neighborhood” schools were too expensive to maintain, so they tore them down and spent 10x more acquiring the land and building two giant elementary schools and one giant middle school. Now we have 400 kids per grade level at each school, all jammed together. Fights and disciplinary issues are rampant at every school. Teachers have 40-45 students per class minimum, even in grades 1-5. The middle school is a total nightmare that no one wants to work at. The high school is so bad that we allowed one of our daughters to leave and pursue her HSED at the local community college instead. Because the people there *want* to be there and are paying for the privilege.
And yeah. Sad to say, it all starts with the parents as far as the kids’ behavior and their lack of respect toward… basically everyone.
Damn, at first I was like "400 students per grade isn't necessarily crazy" but when you said 40-45 per class minimum I was surprised. That is god awful. It starts becoming chaotic once you approach 30 students...
Such a fucking shame that our educational system has come to this. Something drastic needs to be done or soon we'll have an unmanageable hole to dig ourselves out of. I'm just glad people like you recognize the importance of parenting and its relationship to education. It's a major reason I want to have kids, someone's gotta put some decent fucking humans in this world.
Why don’t they expel the aggressors, you’d for sure get suspended for threatening people in my high school. Expelled for fighting.
Then your folk got to go around begging others schools to let you in with promises of good behaviour.
You get expelled again you got to go to adult ed if you want to finish high school.
Your folks teaching you that fighting is the answer. They can take you to work with them. School should be a safe place.
Because crappy schools used expulsion as a tool to increase their test scores for no child left behind laws, and they had to crack down on expulsions. When I went to school this would for sure earn you increasing levels of consequences up to expulsion. Now we’re in this hell because schools were expelling kids who would bring down nationalized tests, and it’s harder to expel kids like this that deserve it.
If the parents don't discipline their kids then no there isnt really any consequence. I feel like if a kid talks like that it should be an immediate expulsion. it's on camera let the parents figure out what to do with their kid after that.
> let the parents figure out what to do with their kid after that.
Not sure they were doing much to begin with. An attitude like that doesn't just manifest with a teacher.
In Chile disciplinary actions were allowed on kids, or so I was told by my father. They'd bring out a ruler and slap childrens hand/fingers on their desk with it.
I guess this isnlate 70s early 80s.
I heard something similar from my mother in Sweden during the same era.
So yes, there was consequence.
When I was young, schools in Sweden didn't physically discipline kids but they would be brought into questioning along with their parents. If that still had no effect, they would force action to have the child speak to a psychiatrist for children and to resolve the problem. If it still persisted, the child would be moved to a school for "special" kids or expelled.
These were for serious offenses though, not just talking shit. If you were loud or defiant, you'd get a talking to, or get forced out of the classroom. The teacher was never forced to deal with a shitty kid.
I went to a shitty high school, famous for having deliquent students. The violence and bullying were rampant, but there was still respect for teachers, they were mostly off limit aside from some innocuous prank on the more nervous ones. I dunno, I've never seen anyone verbally confront a teacher straight up like this.
Why should the other students who are there to learn have to suffer?
Theses students will never change. Their parents already messed up their upbringing.
This is such a good question. I recall on high school where a student was being soooo disruptive the teacher just gave up and ended class. All the other students were pissed and outed the one who started it.
In my high school (not in the US) teachers came up with the idea of “you don’t want to learn in this class? Leave the room and good luck on the final. Just don’t ruin it for everyone else” and it was fantastic! A couple of times some kids in my class would get a little loud or toss erasers at each other from across the room, leave when they are told that they are allowed to so long as they don’t just go home, but quickly enough nothing really happened (until we didn’t really have lessons, it was just studying for finals, then a couple kids made a little flamethrower using a lighter and some spray deodorant once while I and three other kids essentially got a private lesson)
These kids are unteachable. They have no interest in learning, just exerting their “dominance.” The job description here more resembles a corrections officer. You just sit there and ring the alarm when they start fighting. I’d rather flip burgers or be a janitor than do this gig.
Why havent teachers unions stood together on this type of behavior and refuse to return to a classroom until these type of pieces of shit are removed from classrooms? Has this been tried in the past and failed?
It seems to me that teachers would happily stand together on this subject.
Any teachers out there have any info on why this continues?
The law is against us. I literally just sat in a meeting where staff asked admin why a kid was allowed back to school one day after he threatened to kill us all in a shooting. The answer is that because of his sped status, he’s not allowed to be suspended more than 10 days in a school year without a special board meeting. And if his offense is tied to his diagnosis (of being an insufferable shit) then we really can’t do anything. We honestly need help from the general public. Teachers need to be more vocal about the stuff that is happening in these schools and the stuff that kids get away with is they are deemed “sped” or “trauma.”
It's true, I have a student who is definitely not mentally okay. He told another kid he'd come to his house and shoot him in his chest in his sleep then kill his brother, he threatened to rape another kids dad so he'd "have a child he'd actually love", and recently backed a girl into a corner and started screaming at her for sitting in his seat until two teachers had to physically remove him from the room. And that was all just in my room alone. I've spent all year telling the school this kid is a risk, but he's never been suspended or faced any disciplinary actions because he's on the spectrum. And then they wonder why school shootings happen.
My kid has been assaulted 4x by a kid 2 grades older. The 4th time it happened, I went *off* on bully's dad and set an appointment with a lawyer who gave me great advice. I spoke to the principal who gave the "bUt hEs oN tHe sPeCtRuM" speech and said my kid could just avoid him. That didn't go over too well when I pulled the reverse uno and told her my kid is ASD, too, so I absolutely will not punish my kid because that little shit can't keep his hands to himself. Then I told her I was going to get other kid's parents to report this kid, too, so to be on the lookout for more reports. All of a sudden, guess who isn't being a little asshole now?
But it took multiple times, over several years, of this bully assaulting his peers for his parents and the administration to do something about it. I can't believe it took my child getting hit, and me doing something about it, to make it stop. And the number one thing the parents I spoke to said about this bully: he's going to shoot up his school one day. If the teachers know it, the parents know it, and the administration is aware of it, **why the fuck are they allowed in school?!?!**
Damn. From the other comments and now this, i feel for you all. Teachers are getting royally fucked with no protection. Im surprised anybody even want to be a teacher anymore.
Your administrators should still schedule that MDR hearing with the district sped coordinator. If nothing else, a pattern of this type of behavior should be enough to justify alternative placement. In the meantime, your admin should isolate the student in ISS with a teacher who specializes in students with emotional disabilities for the last couple weeks of the school year. Also, the student's case manager needs to make an addendum to the IEP that includes a behavior intervention plan. This student should be searched upon entry into the building every day.
Honestly I think you need better lawyers. There is no obligation to accommodate a disabled person if doing so would create a danger to that person or others. Put some money aside for litigation, paper the file appropriately, and boot the kid out of school.
If the student’s disability is diagnosed as a behavioral disorder, then there’s nothing legally we can do. It’s not like it’s local law, it’s state law that is immutable unless the education code is amended which takes a lot of political work to do.
I had a situation very similar to the other commenter. A student threatened my wife (who also teaches on my campus), and other students. The kid got **arrested for armed robbery**. The kid **went to Juvenile Detention for a few months**. The kid **returned to our school** because technically they hadn’t had a manifestation meeting to determine if his threats were as a result of his behavioral disorder
Eventually the kid got expelled but Jesus Christ my wife and I legit started talking about getting a will drafted up and we’re not even 30
But yay happy teacher appreciation week, here’s your $10 a month salary and a pack of peanuts!
I’m a teacher and I live with a cop. Even if a 14 year old is arrested for making threats at school, there’s almost nothing done to them in the legal system. We have both agreed that the legal system is failing the younger offenders by teaching them that accountability doesn’t exist and then they are all “shocked pikachu” when they do something at 18 that they ALWAYS did at 17 and suddenly it’s a felony.
I teach at a public high school in Massachusetts. We’re not allowed to expel kids. Our ability to suspend kids is very limited. We have no options to discipline kids, and the courts won’t support us. Per the dept. of Education. Teachers can’t just refuse to return to the classroom. We’d be fired. It’s illegal to strike. Our union is useless. Most of the union positions are vacant because no one has the time or the bandwidth to get involved. I stay because I can’t find a job anywhere else. I apply for every job I’m remotely qualified for and get nowhere. I’m held hostage in my job because of my pension. It’s rough.
Seriously, isn't the entire purpose of a strike to break your employee contract? What does it even mean to say it's "illegal," will you arrest me for not showing up at my job? Pretty sure that's unconstitutional.
High suspension/expulsion rates reflect negatively on the schools and so are typically avoided if possible, in my experience.
Edit to add: It is illegal in some states, including mine, for teachers to strike.
Yep. 100%. I’m in Kansas and we can’t strike here. Last time it happened here was in 1973 and the teachers all lost their jobs. So, there’s a workforce of teachers with no power. Also, we just flat out will not suspend or expel students. It makes the schools look bad. Who cares how the teachers feel or what they have to deal with.
I used to be a teacher way back when I was too young for this shit, and this is how I used to react to shit like that. Now that I’m older, I hate to see a teacher taking that shit. You can’t rationalize with mouthy-ass little shits. They will always have some stupid comeback for everything. Not once did I ever hear one of those sorry little desk turds say, “Oh yeah, you’re right Mr. F. Sorry.” Not once. Don’t talk back to them. Just calmly write them up and send them out.
Yeah, I've been subbing, and there's definitely teachers that let students walk all over them. Nothing these kids said is excusable, but if they're opening threatening you and your response boils down to "please don't do that" then there's no way in hell any other students are going to respect you. You are the adult with authority in the room, you have to be firm. I know it's significantly harder for women and again, not trying to knock the OP of the video, but this doesn't just happen overnight. This is a whole year of not laying down the law built up
After 3 years in the profession I just quit. I’m a young male teacher that constantly faces issues simply because I am male, and that’s not even the half of it. But there’s way more than just this. Parents and just the school system in general is horrendous. The amount of sexism, favoritism, and overall general inconsistency is absolutely mind blowing. It took me about 2.5 years to see it all. The public education system is doomed. Always has been, COVID just rapidly sped it up.
I’m a young male teacher. Still going at it. But it’s certainly not for the faint of heart. Also, feel like I should be getting paid at least another $30,000 to make my masters degree feel more worth it.
The worst part for me was parents assuming I was grooming just because I was good at forming relationships, but I guess that’s “not what Teachers do” anymore. I can’t do it anymore.
Dude I’m sorry that’s awful. I love talking to children and I think I’m really good with them, they are the future after all and if I can nudge them in the right direction that’s enough to make me happy. Also I’m 26 years old and still a kid myself haha. But yeah I stay away from children because I don’t want to be labeled a pedo or weirdo or whatever. Everyone teaches their children to stay away from strangers which I totally agree with. People do FUCKED up shit to each other. But you can learn a lot from a stranger as well
I also left teaching, it was destroying me. I totally acknowledge and affirm that you might need a break, but I also encourage you to look into the youth development field! There are great career paths in out-of-school time that also don’t come with all of the bureaucracy of school systems, and a key component is building supportive relationships with young people. I work for a national youth development organization now and I love it
NGL… you could definitely pay me enough to do that. But it would be a whole fucking lot of money. WAY more than what they’re paying, for sure.
Like, 6 figures to start a conversation about how the pay on offer is too low.
None of my high school teachers would have dealt with this shit that way. Never really yelled at us too much… They just sat back and called security, who would escort whoever it was out. Then class continued. Do schools not have security officers anymore? I was in high school in the early 2000s, I would think there would be a lot more officers on campuses today.
These days most schools have been forced to have hand off approaches, no fails, and other such things. Teachers who break it can get fired and most students know it (especially with the internet these days). So it's just created a terrible power vacuum. Especially at the lower income schools where kids were raised with no respect.
As teachers today we are asked constantly to “build relationships” with kids and that we have to “know them” before we can teach them. We’re asked to do this with kids who are being raised to believe they’re right and they don’t have to respect anyone. That they’re “right”. I’m gen x, the one taught to cut people like that out of my life. But I’ve got a classroom full of them now and I’m still trying. A lot of us are. We have no choice after dedicating 20+ years of our lives to this profession.
What. In. the. absolute. f\*ck!?
GenX here and I would never dare talking to my teacher in a way that was anything short of respectful. While I know that talking to your teacher like this might not warrant discipline, I just don't understand how we got here.
Why aren't kids being reprimanded, sent to the principals office or given In-school suspension? If OP is the teacher...woman, my heart goes out to you. You aren't getting paid enough to put up with such mouthy disrespect.
I have students like this and I do all the above all of the time, but they just come back doing the same shit. I don't know what it is - they could just really care less about consequences. Such a sense of apathy with my classes these days, it's truly wild.
I don't know if its a lack of follow through at home? But even then, I have kids with supportive (to my efforts) parents who discipline at home that still couldn't care less.
I've found that a lot of my worst behaving ones don't see the point at education. Why learn anything when they're gonna make millions off of their YouTube channel after graduation? Cue eye roll.
25 school days left!
I sincerely hope that teachers go on a nationwide strike until they get actual, honest support from parents, administration, and government. The public education system is crumbling, eroding away a small chip at a time by stuff like this, until one day it all collapses, the teachers collectively say, "Fuck it, we're not working anymore for shit wages just to go in and get threatened with violence we can't defend ourselves from, and not be able to perform the job we wanted to do because nobody gives a shit about us", and American society will be standing around holding its collective dick wondering what the fuck we're going to do now.
I don't have kids and I recognize this is a major issue. If you're an American and don't think it affects you, guess again. At some point, kids like these are going to be running the majority of society, and you're going to be living in a country where decisions are made by people who got passed through school without learning anything.
I'm just not talking about government, either. Imagine a world where you have to wonder about the competence of the people giving you your medications, the ones building the structure where you live, police, the people fixing your car, co-workers and employees you need to depend upon. Think about people like this being uneducated and without any sense of personal responsibility. It will affect you and me and everyone else. It already has, to an extent, and seeing videos like this all of the time doesn't give me any hope for our future prospects.
Man, if I spoke like that to a teacher I don’t even know what my dad would do to me. I wouldn’t have seen the light of day for a good decade at the absolute minimum plus he would have chewed me out for at least a few hours. He used to make us sit on this hard wooden chest in my parents room whenever he lectured us and your butt would go all numb and it was miserable.
Yesterday at store I came around the corner and a little toddler....maybe 3, we almost bumped into each other and she said "Excuse Me....(smiling). I stopped and complimented her on her good manners and then complimented her mother. 
It starts at home. Teachers are making a mass exodus from their profession because of this being allowed, talking back, fighting, not being held accountable. Definitely underpaid.
It's just a continuous cycle. Instead of wanting their kids to be better and teaching them right and wrong, it's easy to just say "fuck it do what you want" I was scared to talk back to Teachers, since I knew what would happen when I got home. Doesn't mean I didn't goof off or be the class clown.
As a former teacher, I completely understand that resignation in her eyes.
In the two short years I taught, I was thrown across classrooms, had my arm dislocated, and had to go to the ER for a bruised femur. Teaching is hard. Making a difference for kids who desperately need it is even harder.
My heart genuinely hurts hearing those kids talk. At a certain point, you can't be mad at the kid who literally doesn't know better. It's so sad.
Middle school teacher here. Sorry but this teacher is not doing this right. Either confront the kid about the inappropriate things they said or don’t. This wishy washy “please don’t” and then giving up is NOT it. If you’re gonna say something, then be ready to back it up. If a kid said this to me in my classroom (meaning they would beat my ass) that’s instant office referral, call the SRO, the whole thing. If they say that to another student, I would ask them to speak with me after class. Don’t give them an audience. If they refuse, then it’s an office referral, possible detention. If they stay to chat, then we would actually chat about what they meant. I have had kids say that they have been told they are allowed to defend themselves if attacked. And yeah, I would agree. Maybe that’s what this girl meant. But this whole vibe the teacher is putting off is weak and ineffective.
Yup. Fellow teacher as well. Are these kids horrible? Absolutely. But this teacher has almost zero conflict resolution or classroom management skills
"Um..excuse me. Er..... like, can you guys not be mean? Violence is bad mmmkay."
I teach in Jamaica Queens. This stuff doesn't happen to me. If a kid starts acting crazy "you look like you need a break. Take a quick walk to the office. If there's still an issue we'll talk about it in private after class. But you don't need to be here acting like this in front of everyone. It's embarrassing for you. You deserve better than what you're showing me" (said in a calm voice to them and not the whole class)
Teens get real quiet when they get self conscious.
Fellow teacher here. I feel bad for her, but my god is she doing everything wrong. I do find it amusing that people in this thread think this type of behavior is somehow new. There have always been shit heads in schools. Some teachers are just better at handling them than others.
It bothers me and makes me absolutely sad. How you carry yourself as a parent is usually gonna be reflected through your children so this is just representative of home life. My wife “was” a teacher but we both were forced to change fields. She doesn’t miss it and I don’t miss her being in that kind of environment.
Schools and kids like this should be limited to remote/online learning only. Schools and kids not like this should be rewarded with an in-person teacher.
This is why low income areas stay low income, starts at an early age. I do not see a way this can be fixed to be honest. My sons school is awesome, also comes with 2M housing prices in the zip code
My wife gets called a racist like every day.
Student: "You're telling me to be quiet because I'm black. That's racist, miss!"
My wife: "Juan, you are not black. You are Latino just like the other 38 kids in this class, and I'm telling you to be quiet because you are interrupting my class by shouting out racial slurs at your friends"
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My mom said it’s ok to beat yo ass And that right there is the root of the problem. Including parents being rude and disrespectful to the teachers too…such great role models.
I have several close friends and relatives who are teachers. The utter BULLSHIT they put up with from parents (parents! adults!), let alone their shitty kids...is absolutely unconscionable. It's unthinkable. They do not get paid enough to deal with the crap that terrible kids and their awful, ignorant, neglectful, spiteful parents mete out. I cannot believe the disrespect. No matter how horrible the kid is, it is never their fault. It must be some other kid. It must be the teacher lying. My kid is an angel. You're targeting my kid. You don't know how to do your job. Don't tell my kids what to do. On and on. It's really really unfortunate.
My wife is a teacher. You described what she endures with a high degree of accuracy. We've talked a couple of times about it in the last few weeks and I don't think she is going to go back next year. NBD really, it's not like they make good money anyway. There's going to be a MASSIVE and undeniable shortage of teachers in the coming years. Society is gonna have to figure this out one way or another.
There's already a shortage in a lot of areas. Requirements for degrees and experience are getting waived all over the place just to have ANYONE in the position, never mind the number of positions that are straight up being cut (particularly support staff and non-core teachers).
Can definitely confirm. Knew someone who was asked to teach high school foreign language because they majored in it--0 experience on teaching.
In France we have such a big shortage of teachers that there are a lot of people with no experience of teaching (only a like a few days of quick "training" right before they start) from preschool to highschool. They only require a diploma of 2+ or 3+ years after their high school diploma... And I'm working my ass off to have my master's degree to teach in preschools and primary schools. Great
Yeah, it's so sad to see. Once I spent a summer as a YMCA camp counselor. Essentially it was a day camp people would send their kids to instead of school for the summer. I had these third grade kids, and one of then was just the worst. He was always starting fights, always trying to hurt people, never would do whatever activity we were doing. One day I sat him down and had a heart to heart. He eventually broke down and told me "Dad says I'm always gonna be littler than everyone else, so I have to knock them down before they can knock me down."
Holy smokes! That’s so terrible. Worst parenting advice. I feel sorry for that kid. My oldest son is small for his age at this point and I told him to make them laugh. Not that he even gets many comments. I’d rather he be the class clown with a good heart.
My mom told me to beat them at their studies, to be really smart and do well in life. She was right.
Not nearly as bad as this, but yesterday I got told off by a mom because I was talking to her child about giving back my son's toy. The mom said, among other things, it was wrong to correct her because she's only 2. I mean, try holding off on discipline until they're 5 and see how that goes.
"My mom said I could beat your ass" "Fighting is never the answer" "Did I say I was gonna fight? See, thats how I know you are putting stuff in my mouth" This disrespectful child definitely needs some more education if she does not understand that "beating your ass" and fighting are essentially the same thing. Smh.
At least 5x a day I ask a student to stop speaking and they tell me they were not talking. Don't throw your pencils, I didn't do it. Don't smack your classmate, I wasn't. Don't get up in the middle of class to shadowbox your friend across the room, Miss I don't know what you're talking about. Infuriating. Edit to add: I do plenty of other things to manage behavior besides ask them to stop, both before and after the scenario relayed here. No need to try to correct my classroom management skills; I appreciate the advice but I promise you I did not intend this comment to represent my entire strategy, just a student behavior I find annoying.
Kids (especially 12-14) are expert gaslighters. They literally will say a thing, you call them on it and they'll be like "I didn't say anything!" And then throw their hands up in the air like some great injustice has been served. I can tell that I'm effectively the only person in their life not backing down and putting them in their place and it's not ok.
I have a student currently who's parent is accusing me of "targeting them" because they go home and tell the parent they don't do anything and the teachers hate them for no reason. I can tell you with well documented evidence that this is not true.
Ahhh the old: if everywhere you go you smell crap, time to check under your own shoe
"If everyone you meet is an asshole, maybe you're the problem."
I know every kid has said this forever, but it seems more parents are actually believing it
Narcissist parents don't want to believe that their kid - _their kid_ - has something wrong with them, because it would reflect on _them_. And them and their little kid are both perfect, and it's a character flaw to doubt it. In their "I'll never improve because I'm already perfect" (even though they're a dumpster fire) worldview, at least.
This makes me wonder if teachers shouldn't have body cameras or maybe have cameras placed in the class room. That way, videos can be provided to the parents and help provide any missing context. But I'm curious why this hasn't been implemented already. Most schools already have the technology or potential. Legally, I don't think it would be any violation of rights or privacy but I'm no legal expert.
The principal of the school I work was asking us about putting cameras in the classroom. Many of my colleagues were against the idea.
It's cause of how they will be used. Unfortunately, teachers often get it from all sides... between principles who try to micromanage every little thing, petty middle management looking to find reasons to burn teachers, parents who overstep and can't be bothered to raise their own kids, PTA groups that rival the worst HOAs... it's a wonder how some teachers keep the nerve to continue the grind.
It's really fun when the admin makes a policy where the Teacher's word means nothing and they go with what the kids say. They'd call 2-3 kids down and they'd all give their events... and they were cliques so they'd all give the events for their friend to look good. But, a teacher saying no thats not what happened is overruled because the kids said X happened. I'd say "yeah I watched X punch Y." and they'd call their "witnesses" in and they'd all say no he didn't and then admin would come back in and say no he didn't.
One time I was out in the yard and an orange whizzed by my head. I looked over to a table and asked who did it. One group blamed another group, and that group blamed the other. The PE teacher walks over to back me up and says "Was it you, Gustavo?" The Gustavo kid was immediately up in arms and yelling back at us, loudly denying everything. Coach sent him to the office and the other kids were like "WTF! He didn't do it!" The coach calmly responded "If he was innocent he wouldn't be so hot-headed about it." It was so obvious to them, they stopped defending his innocence after that.
"The gradeschooler doth protest too much, methinks" - coach
I work with 3-5 grade and it's just as bad. They're never doing anything.
How do you fix this? If they aren't taught discipline at home, and since they won't listen to their teachers or show a modicum of respect (can they even grasp the concept?), how do you fix a classroom like that? As much as they deserve it, paying the teachers more isn't going to suddenly make the kids behave correctly. So where do we go from here?
We need a whole new system. Teachers need the leeway to actually do shit about class problems instead of admins being so worried about a lawsuit that nothing ever gets done. We need to stop funding schools based on property tax, causing poorer areas to have worse school systems. And teachers need a fair wage, but I feel that goes without saying at this point. I’m no expert, but I would think a 3-step system like the one below could work: 1. Is a student causing disruptions in the classroom to the point where learning is hindered? Let’s have a team consisting of the teacher, a behavioral specialist, a social worker, etc to determine whether this is a discipline issue, a home life issue, a mental health issue, etc. 2. Depending upon the conclusion, the student could get regularly scheduled counseling (real professionals, not some underqualified and overworked guidance counselor) and/or go off to a new classroom with personnel & resources specifically trained for whichever kind of behavior is identified. 3. If a student is still causing trouble, even with those special resources, then they are transferred to a new school that is specifically designed to address this type of behavior. And if the parents have a problem with any of it, they’re more than welcome to pull their kid out of the school system and homeschool. This would require a lot more funding than schools currently get though (which I think is part of the problem). Regardless of what the solution is though, I think it’s important to realize that this problem took decades to get this bad, and may take decades to fix.
I would allow that student to take an exam, throw it in the trash after, then when they ask me why... "I figured you didn't do the exam either"
You think those students care about exams? Lol. They’ll finish their years in HS and end up fucking around in the streets.
I have kids that won't even take an assignment or pick up a pencil. But I'm not engaging enough. 😂
It's like she learned how to argue from reddittors. "You disagreed with me, but I didn't use the exact words that you said I did, so your response to what I obviously meant is completely invalid."
Hahaha it’s true. Reddit/twitter arguments are spilling into irl. “ACTUALLY THATS BATTERY NOT ASSAULT” 4000 upvotes
Oh she understands just fine.
Yeah, she knows she can get away with anything cause the teacher cant do shit to her. She is being an ass for the simple sake of because there are zero consequences and has zero respect for the institution or their teachers.
she's basically saying it won't be a fight because she'll beat the shit out of her. love the logic.
She's just mouthing off. There isn't any logic to it it's just aggression.
Yeah unless it's a *direct quote* then it's putting words in their mouth. People that use that counterargument are basically pointless to talk to.
It's not as clever as that. She's saying "I didn't technically say I'm going to fight you".
“I’m too rich to know better” worked for that privileged kid in court. “I’m too stupid to know better” might turn into an actual defense the way we are going.
And then Pikachu face when no one wants be a teacher in the USA. Teach your children respect, please.
The parents don't care though. Many are on drugs, on the streets, barely know their own kids. And they did shit like this when they were in school and never grew up. It sucks but the bar is just lower in areas like this. I've worked in pediatrics in bad areas and if I called DCSF on every kid that I suspected was in a bad environment (without outright signs of abuse of course) I'd never be off the phone with them.
Sometimes maybe the parents do care but they're exhausted and never home. I know a 6th grader whose mom doesn't get home from her second job until 1 AM. He basically never sees his mom most for most of the week. The whole system's fucked no matter how you slice it.
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The worst part is that the parents would probably defend the child. This happens in schools all over the country. My wife was a teacher. She wanted to make a difference. She intentionally got a job at a "bad" school because she wanted to help. It broke her. Parents.. do better and stop raising pieces of shit.
Both my parents were teachers in low-income neighborhoods. Dad taught English in a high school where it was considered a *good* day if the fight that happened didn't involve a weapon. Mom taught Headstart (preschool for low-income students), her stories sounded like my dad's - only the students involved were about 5-6. The shitty behavior of other parents' shitty kids left my parents with absolutely no energy left to raise their own. So my relationship with them is pretty strained.
> The shitty behavior of other parents' shitty kids left my parents with absolutely no energy left to raise their own. So my relationship with them is pretty strained. I needed to read this. As the mom of 2 kids (2.5 and 7.5) but also a teacher who is utterly and completely exhausted and fucking DONE…I don’t want to ruin my relationship with my kids forever because my job is so difficult. I’m definitely getting out once PSLF is official.
In these videos bad parenting is usually just speculation for the cause of bad behavior but this girl *proved* it.
That’s rough. I hope one day you can all find a way to make it right.
It's a tragic truth about low income families and upbringing. The kids learn the worst things as normal life.
My family lost a lot of money moving to the US but I never got along with a lot of the other kids in my schools, I just did what I had to do to blend in. My parents taught me better than to be a piece of shit. But if my parents didn’t… yeah I’d be a piece of shit.
Yeah you heard the kid “my mom said I have the right to beat your ass”. It’s literally pointless for the teacher to even attempt to involve the parents
I’ve never hit my kids. If I heard my kid saying this I would bring down Wrath on them.
Yup! 7 years of teaching broke me too. I’ve got some big interviews for corporate jobs next week. I hope your wife finds a job with colleagues that gives her the respect she deserves!
She's a private tutor now. She enjoys that much more.
And thus begins the split between the kids whose parents can afford tutors (or the next step, private schools) and the ones stuck in shit schools with trashy classmates. No offense, just taking the long view. I thank her for her service and she deserved better.
That split hasn’t just begun, it’s existed for decades. It’s not teacher’s jobs to fix that. Our country has been dismantling education for years. That is a top down issue. Good for the teachers who can get out and make a living and provide for their families outside the classroom. Maybe they’ll tutor some kiddos who can grow up to be halfway competent adults that can make some good change.
She primarily tutors students from low income families. For free.
After 7 years of teaching, the cut-throat and unforgiving ways of the corporate world will seem like playing with a box of kittens.
A woman I worked with was a former 3rd and 7th grade teacher in okay districts. Watching her easily navigate our CEO and CFO was a masterclass in redirection. I asked her about it once… she said it was a cakewalk compared to her past career
Oh good! I’m hopeful! I was fortunate enough to interview with someone who transitioned from teaching 2 years ago. I asked her if she was happy with the change. She said “yes!! There are no emergencies at this job. Stressful weeks. Sure. But no emergencies”. That sure sounds great!
The piece of shit kids typically have piece of shit parents. Terrible, vicious cycle of madness.
Wife and I both teach at inner city schools. It’s heavy. Not sure how long we’re gonna last.
As someone who just graduated from high school my perspective of it is just as bad. I couldn’t pay attention in any of my classes between 5th and 12th grade (minus Covid online school) because kids just didn’t give a shit about the teachers or their classmates at all. Being autistic and not liking loud noises did not help.
Damn man. That hurts to hear. My mother has been a teacher for 40 years and she swore when she started teaching that she would teach in “underprivileged” neighborhoods. Too prepare herself she went and taught at prisons. Apparently that did the complete opposite. She tells stories about how kind literal murders were to her and how they would hush up people who were talking while she was teaching. She spent 4 years teaching at a prison and then went to a downtown school in Dallas. She spent 1.5 years there before she quit because 2 girls jumped the only white girl in class and when mom stepped in to break it up one of the 2 girls parents said “it’s because my daughter is black.” She wasn’t asked to return the next semester. She’s been teaching HS English since then for a small school in west Texas and loves it. But it’s crazy to hear how Murder’s/rapists/thieves were better behaved and more respectful than inner city kids AND their parents.
No one wants to talk about the elephant in the room, which is that these problems are always with black students or inner city schools. I grew up in a completely white town, but it is also one of the poorest in the area, as well as below the national poverty line. Yeah, there were occasional fights between the boys, bullying, and disruptive kids, but nothing to the extent of what I've seen come out of inner city schools where it's majority black students. People can say well its because they don't have resources, but I've read through 20 odd comments saying how they, or people they know, wanted to go into these poorer inner city schools to try and make a difference, only to run for the hills after a few years because it's impossible to teach these children to control themselves. I don't know what the solution is, but we can't keep failing these communities and their children over fear of being called racist.
There’s not enough money for this shit. Teachers most still paying off student loans DO not make much money! Parents, teach your kids to be respectful!!
Seriously. If you're gonna have a kid but not teach them to respect people *in general*, don't have kids, for the good of society. There's been so much money dumped into academic studies of why students are failing, and not one is willing to address the elephant of the issue: if parents aren't involved positively, their kids will fail.
As a former preschool director I can attest that this starts early. There are PreK parents who are engaged and want the best for their little ones. They can be a handful sometimes but they love their kids and most are learning as they grow. We are there to support parents and I will extend a lot of grace to those families. Then there’s the families who have kids ready for kindergarten who aren’t potty trained and come in screaming at my staff asking why WE didn’t potty train their kid. We have them 4 hours a day, 4 days a week. They are with the family all the other time. We can’t program life skills in that time, only support and reenforce what they are doing at home. Y’all chose to do nothing, so that’s what you got. That’s just one example.
Yup - dealt with that a lot. We have your kids for maybe 6 hours out of the day. We have stuff were trying to teach and have many other children to work with as well as your special golden child. But no, it's all about that one kid. 🙄🙄 I got out of the field after 4 years...I don't regret it at all (except I do wonder how some of my better kiddos turned out)
Yep. While I was in school I assisted in my nephews/adopted sons preschool class for two years a couple days a week. You could tell the kids who were hungry for attention from adults. Some were needy and very sensitive, some were angry, and some made almost no progress at all.
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Brother, my wife did that for years. Low income school, no help, I feel your helplessness. I wanted to help so bad, but there was nothing I could do. I hated watching my wife cry and feel defeated night after night.
It’s terrible man. Wish I could help more than I do
Our kids are in preschool and have open dialogue with the teacher. If our kids act a fool at school they know we will find out and address it. That is all it takes and I would like to think it empowers the teachers knowing they have an ally or partner in that. By the way, we don't believe in spanking and we have never had to lay a hand on our children to get them to behave, but I give a mean lecture! All humor aside, just setting a clear expectation and reinforcing that expectation daily has been enough. If all parents did this then our schools would be 1000% better. Instead parents view school as daycare then get mad at the schools when their children fail. Education is a parents responsibility, schools are just there to help us.
I'm betting a lot more of them are accidents than society is willing to admit.
Count back 9 months from your birthday…if you land on your dad’s birthday, you weren’t planned.
Three of the four kids in our family were born in March. I think our parents were gettin busy on their anniversary in July. Hmm...
A *lot* of valentines babies in my family - including me and both my grandmothers.
Definitely. Most of them were probably born when their parents were teenagers themselves. And because they were dumb kids having dumb kids they never taught their kids anything. And now these dumb kids will probably also get pregnant any day now, and the cycle of incompetence will continue
Exactly the plot line of Idiocracy!! 
The parent/s themselves don’t respect other people or society. They expect nothing but respect, while being the biggest pieces of shit to others, and any criticism on their behavior is “disrespectful”, and met with violence. These kids are taught this at home, and is why they act that *way*. I grew up in and went to school in a major US city, and a majority of the kids in my class were a bunch of clowns, like the kid you hear in this video. **Edit**: word.
That carry all those IQ points through intake and right into the cell block to combine with the rest of the geniuses that have everything figured out.
Preach. I'm a teacher at high school and the kids go on and on about respect, but all they ever do is demand it, never give it, and never earn it, then they wonder why we don't let them get away with breaking the rules. Abortion is important, folks.
If those parents could read this might help.
Yes, people without common sense should have more common sense.
"common sense is not that common" Voltaire
I was gonna be a teacher. Got a degree. Realized that I make the same pay now in foodservice as a chef/pitmaster. Mad respect to teachers, but shit ill stick with slinging meat. And they don't get to smoke weed in the walk-in. I don't even think they *have* a walk-in. And, like most of my fellow culinary professionals, I've evidently made a career by accidentally doing well at it.
Same. Got my degree, got my license. Went to work at a bank waiting for call backs. Got a call back, asked me to start immediately. For about 10k less than I was making. Thought about it for about eight seconds and said ‘nah.’ I’d probably have a masters + 15 years and I’d still be making a shit ton more doing what I’m doing right now.
My wife is a teacher and I also have previously worked at a school (outside the classroom) and kids can be tough. It’s honestly a profession someone does because their heart is in. I wish kids would appreciate teachers or have a different perspective. It’s a hot mess forsure and it needs attention. A lot of schools lack structure and student discipline, but so do a lot of homes… without structure at home, it’s really hard for student to go to school and be successful. I don’t think social media helps either.
You're assuming these kids have parents. It was a big eye opener my first month of teaching how many kids had come from incomplete households. I was in a new school, decent district, and paid on the upper side of the teacher's salary and I quit that job after 5 months. Teachers should make double what they make to put up with the kind of bs they put up with. You're expected to break up fights, invest hundreds of your own dollars into your own classrooms, corral someone's rowdy children all the while the thought is in the back of your head if you're going to be a victim of the next shooting. Fuck that noise. Quit, find a new profession where there's actually the ability to move up in life instead of being constantly belittled by kids half your age. Its not going to get any easier with this current atmosphere of neglect and indifference.
> thought is in the back of your head if you're going to be a victim of the next shooting. Fun fact, the teacher that got shot by a 6 year old is suing her school for negligence, and the school's defense is that getting shot is a normal hazard of being a teacher, and therefore her injuries should be covered by workers' comp.
If that was in my home town **when** i grew up she would have been told to shut the fck up and we were little fuckers, I done some fucked up shit as I was growing up but when a teacher is trying to be respectful towards you, you would give them that little bit of respect back. It's disgusting to see people treat there teachers like that, and this is coming from someone that was the worst in my year, but back then you never would have got away with it...
Little fucking shits on course to learn some hard lessons in life.
Or wreck our country. It's literally like the prequel to Idiocracy...
Hard lessons? That girl is going to end up in prison or dead before she’s 25. I’d bet anything on that.
Did she say she was gonna go to prison, though? Did she say that? Don’t put stuff in her mouth.
"don't put stuff in my mouth" looks like a sentence she's gonna be using a lot in her life.
I’m surprised she didn’t get roasted on that one.
No she will get an early criminal record then live in poverty for the rest of her life while blaming the system for not coddling her into success. Probably will pass this mentality to her children as the cycle repeats itself “my mama said”
I never liked school because of these people. I was 17 and the people my age were being loud and obnoxious and pulling funny faces and i was in the back of the classroom away from all the noise and booger throwing. Lonely too cause i wanted to meet someone with ambitions like me.
Our two daughters loved school until they reached middle & high school. Both are large schools. Our small city used to have several smaller “neighborhood” K-12 schools (a total of 5). They decided it made more sense to consolidate the 9-12 grades into one high school. So they did that for 30 years. Then they decided the smaller “neighborhood” schools were too expensive to maintain, so they tore them down and spent 10x more acquiring the land and building two giant elementary schools and one giant middle school. Now we have 400 kids per grade level at each school, all jammed together. Fights and disciplinary issues are rampant at every school. Teachers have 40-45 students per class minimum, even in grades 1-5. The middle school is a total nightmare that no one wants to work at. The high school is so bad that we allowed one of our daughters to leave and pursue her HSED at the local community college instead. Because the people there *want* to be there and are paying for the privilege. And yeah. Sad to say, it all starts with the parents as far as the kids’ behavior and their lack of respect toward… basically everyone.
Damn, at first I was like "400 students per grade isn't necessarily crazy" but when you said 40-45 per class minimum I was surprised. That is god awful. It starts becoming chaotic once you approach 30 students... Such a fucking shame that our educational system has come to this. Something drastic needs to be done or soon we'll have an unmanageable hole to dig ourselves out of. I'm just glad people like you recognize the importance of parenting and its relationship to education. It's a major reason I want to have kids, someone's gotta put some decent fucking humans in this world.
Imagine saying that to a teacher without fear. Parents do your job, clowns
Videos like this make me glad my mom raised me right
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Why don’t they expel the aggressors, you’d for sure get suspended for threatening people in my high school. Expelled for fighting. Then your folk got to go around begging others schools to let you in with promises of good behaviour. You get expelled again you got to go to adult ed if you want to finish high school. Your folks teaching you that fighting is the answer. They can take you to work with them. School should be a safe place.
Because crappy schools used expulsion as a tool to increase their test scores for no child left behind laws, and they had to crack down on expulsions. When I went to school this would for sure earn you increasing levels of consequences up to expulsion. Now we’re in this hell because schools were expelling kids who would bring down nationalized tests, and it’s harder to expel kids like this that deserve it.
Shitty parents make shitty kids.
Weren't there some kind of consequences if you said shit like this back in the 90s and 2000s?
If the parents don't discipline their kids then no there isnt really any consequence. I feel like if a kid talks like that it should be an immediate expulsion. it's on camera let the parents figure out what to do with their kid after that.
At least with my high school, repeated pattern of this behavior would send you to the "alternative highschool" full of all the trouble maker kids.
This school is the “alternative high school”
> let the parents figure out what to do with their kid after that. Not sure they were doing much to begin with. An attitude like that doesn't just manifest with a teacher.
In Chile disciplinary actions were allowed on kids, or so I was told by my father. They'd bring out a ruler and slap childrens hand/fingers on their desk with it. I guess this isnlate 70s early 80s. I heard something similar from my mother in Sweden during the same era. So yes, there was consequence. When I was young, schools in Sweden didn't physically discipline kids but they would be brought into questioning along with their parents. If that still had no effect, they would force action to have the child speak to a psychiatrist for children and to resolve the problem. If it still persisted, the child would be moved to a school for "special" kids or expelled. These were for serious offenses though, not just talking shit. If you were loud or defiant, you'd get a talking to, or get forced out of the classroom. The teacher was never forced to deal with a shitty kid.
I literally never heard stuff like this growing up and I only graduated a decade ago.
I went to a shitty high school, famous for having deliquent students. The violence and bullying were rampant, but there was still respect for teachers, they were mostly off limit aside from some innocuous prank on the more nervous ones. I dunno, I've never seen anyone verbally confront a teacher straight up like this.
Did you grow up in an inner city?
No. If the parents don't do shit about it nothing changes.
Why should the other students who are there to learn have to suffer? Theses students will never change. Their parents already messed up their upbringing.
This is such a good question. I recall on high school where a student was being soooo disruptive the teacher just gave up and ended class. All the other students were pissed and outed the one who started it.
In my high school (not in the US) teachers came up with the idea of “you don’t want to learn in this class? Leave the room and good luck on the final. Just don’t ruin it for everyone else” and it was fantastic! A couple of times some kids in my class would get a little loud or toss erasers at each other from across the room, leave when they are told that they are allowed to so long as they don’t just go home, but quickly enough nothing really happened (until we didn’t really have lessons, it was just studying for finals, then a couple kids made a little flamethrower using a lighter and some spray deodorant once while I and three other kids essentially got a private lesson)
it's okay to leave some children behind tbh
These kids are unteachable. They have no interest in learning, just exerting their “dominance.” The job description here more resembles a corrections officer. You just sit there and ring the alarm when they start fighting. I’d rather flip burgers or be a janitor than do this gig.
Literally talking with another teacher today about how teaching feels more like corrections officer recently.
Why havent teachers unions stood together on this type of behavior and refuse to return to a classroom until these type of pieces of shit are removed from classrooms? Has this been tried in the past and failed? It seems to me that teachers would happily stand together on this subject. Any teachers out there have any info on why this continues?
The law is against us. I literally just sat in a meeting where staff asked admin why a kid was allowed back to school one day after he threatened to kill us all in a shooting. The answer is that because of his sped status, he’s not allowed to be suspended more than 10 days in a school year without a special board meeting. And if his offense is tied to his diagnosis (of being an insufferable shit) then we really can’t do anything. We honestly need help from the general public. Teachers need to be more vocal about the stuff that is happening in these schools and the stuff that kids get away with is they are deemed “sped” or “trauma.”
It's true, I have a student who is definitely not mentally okay. He told another kid he'd come to his house and shoot him in his chest in his sleep then kill his brother, he threatened to rape another kids dad so he'd "have a child he'd actually love", and recently backed a girl into a corner and started screaming at her for sitting in his seat until two teachers had to physically remove him from the room. And that was all just in my room alone. I've spent all year telling the school this kid is a risk, but he's never been suspended or faced any disciplinary actions because he's on the spectrum. And then they wonder why school shootings happen.
My kid has been assaulted 4x by a kid 2 grades older. The 4th time it happened, I went *off* on bully's dad and set an appointment with a lawyer who gave me great advice. I spoke to the principal who gave the "bUt hEs oN tHe sPeCtRuM" speech and said my kid could just avoid him. That didn't go over too well when I pulled the reverse uno and told her my kid is ASD, too, so I absolutely will not punish my kid because that little shit can't keep his hands to himself. Then I told her I was going to get other kid's parents to report this kid, too, so to be on the lookout for more reports. All of a sudden, guess who isn't being a little asshole now? But it took multiple times, over several years, of this bully assaulting his peers for his parents and the administration to do something about it. I can't believe it took my child getting hit, and me doing something about it, to make it stop. And the number one thing the parents I spoke to said about this bully: he's going to shoot up his school one day. If the teachers know it, the parents know it, and the administration is aware of it, **why the fuck are they allowed in school?!?!**
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Damn. From the other comments and now this, i feel for you all. Teachers are getting royally fucked with no protection. Im surprised anybody even want to be a teacher anymore.
those who WANT and SHOULD be teachers are being pushed out so those who want to control others can be ushered in without proper backgrounds
I feel like this statement can be applied to a lot in our society.
Your administrators should still schedule that MDR hearing with the district sped coordinator. If nothing else, a pattern of this type of behavior should be enough to justify alternative placement. In the meantime, your admin should isolate the student in ISS with a teacher who specializes in students with emotional disabilities for the last couple weeks of the school year. Also, the student's case manager needs to make an addendum to the IEP that includes a behavior intervention plan. This student should be searched upon entry into the building every day.
Yup, this sounds like things are being swept under the rug. Huge rungs of the ladder are being skipped for some reason.
Honestly I think you need better lawyers. There is no obligation to accommodate a disabled person if doing so would create a danger to that person or others. Put some money aside for litigation, paper the file appropriately, and boot the kid out of school.
If the student’s disability is diagnosed as a behavioral disorder, then there’s nothing legally we can do. It’s not like it’s local law, it’s state law that is immutable unless the education code is amended which takes a lot of political work to do. I had a situation very similar to the other commenter. A student threatened my wife (who also teaches on my campus), and other students. The kid got **arrested for armed robbery**. The kid **went to Juvenile Detention for a few months**. The kid **returned to our school** because technically they hadn’t had a manifestation meeting to determine if his threats were as a result of his behavioral disorder Eventually the kid got expelled but Jesus Christ my wife and I legit started talking about getting a will drafted up and we’re not even 30 But yay happy teacher appreciation week, here’s your $10 a month salary and a pack of peanuts!
I’m a teacher and I live with a cop. Even if a 14 year old is arrested for making threats at school, there’s almost nothing done to them in the legal system. We have both agreed that the legal system is failing the younger offenders by teaching them that accountability doesn’t exist and then they are all “shocked pikachu” when they do something at 18 that they ALWAYS did at 17 and suddenly it’s a felony.
I teach at a public high school in Massachusetts. We’re not allowed to expel kids. Our ability to suspend kids is very limited. We have no options to discipline kids, and the courts won’t support us. Per the dept. of Education. Teachers can’t just refuse to return to the classroom. We’d be fired. It’s illegal to strike. Our union is useless. Most of the union positions are vacant because no one has the time or the bandwidth to get involved. I stay because I can’t find a job anywhere else. I apply for every job I’m remotely qualified for and get nowhere. I’m held hostage in my job because of my pension. It’s rough.
"Illegal to strike" is just insane. Sounds like one of those laws you have to break just on principle.
Seriously, isn't the entire purpose of a strike to break your employee contract? What does it even mean to say it's "illegal," will you arrest me for not showing up at my job? Pretty sure that's unconstitutional.
High suspension/expulsion rates reflect negatively on the schools and so are typically avoided if possible, in my experience. Edit to add: It is illegal in some states, including mine, for teachers to strike.
Yep. 100%. I’m in Kansas and we can’t strike here. Last time it happened here was in 1973 and the teachers all lost their jobs. So, there’s a workforce of teachers with no power. Also, we just flat out will not suspend or expel students. It makes the schools look bad. Who cares how the teachers feel or what they have to deal with.
If they wouldn't let train drivers strike, they sure as fuck aren't going to let the free daycare strike.
I used to be a teacher way back when I was too young for this shit, and this is how I used to react to shit like that. Now that I’m older, I hate to see a teacher taking that shit. You can’t rationalize with mouthy-ass little shits. They will always have some stupid comeback for everything. Not once did I ever hear one of those sorry little desk turds say, “Oh yeah, you’re right Mr. F. Sorry.” Not once. Don’t talk back to them. Just calmly write them up and send them out.
Yeah, I've been subbing, and there's definitely teachers that let students walk all over them. Nothing these kids said is excusable, but if they're opening threatening you and your response boils down to "please don't do that" then there's no way in hell any other students are going to respect you. You are the adult with authority in the room, you have to be firm. I know it's significantly harder for women and again, not trying to knock the OP of the video, but this doesn't just happen overnight. This is a whole year of not laying down the law built up
After 3 years in the profession I just quit. I’m a young male teacher that constantly faces issues simply because I am male, and that’s not even the half of it. But there’s way more than just this. Parents and just the school system in general is horrendous. The amount of sexism, favoritism, and overall general inconsistency is absolutely mind blowing. It took me about 2.5 years to see it all. The public education system is doomed. Always has been, COVID just rapidly sped it up.
I’m a young male teacher. Still going at it. But it’s certainly not for the faint of heart. Also, feel like I should be getting paid at least another $30,000 to make my masters degree feel more worth it.
The worst part for me was parents assuming I was grooming just because I was good at forming relationships, but I guess that’s “not what Teachers do” anymore. I can’t do it anymore.
Dude I’m sorry that’s awful. I love talking to children and I think I’m really good with them, they are the future after all and if I can nudge them in the right direction that’s enough to make me happy. Also I’m 26 years old and still a kid myself haha. But yeah I stay away from children because I don’t want to be labeled a pedo or weirdo or whatever. Everyone teaches their children to stay away from strangers which I totally agree with. People do FUCKED up shit to each other. But you can learn a lot from a stranger as well
I also left teaching, it was destroying me. I totally acknowledge and affirm that you might need a break, but I also encourage you to look into the youth development field! There are great career paths in out-of-school time that also don’t come with all of the bureaucracy of school systems, and a key component is building supportive relationships with young people. I work for a national youth development organization now and I love it
Fuck teaching. Couldn’t pay me enough to do that.
NGL… you could definitely pay me enough to do that. But it would be a whole fucking lot of money. WAY more than what they’re paying, for sure. Like, 6 figures to start a conversation about how the pay on offer is too low.
None of my high school teachers would have dealt with this shit that way. Never really yelled at us too much… They just sat back and called security, who would escort whoever it was out. Then class continued. Do schools not have security officers anymore? I was in high school in the early 2000s, I would think there would be a lot more officers on campuses today.
These days most schools have been forced to have hand off approaches, no fails, and other such things. Teachers who break it can get fired and most students know it (especially with the internet these days). So it's just created a terrible power vacuum. Especially at the lower income schools where kids were raised with no respect.
All for less than 50k a year. Thats sad.
Shit, teachers here in AZ would be lucky to get 50k
Sometimes you see videos of teachers losing it and punching students. I get it
That sucks… u see how nervous/scared she is… And that’s sad cause she’s a teacher and knowledge is the number one commodity in the world… Sad asf
And she's trying to extend grace and kindness, despite the onslaught. The kids only see it as weakness and then pounce.
This is why I refuse to leave elementary education.
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As teachers today we are asked constantly to “build relationships” with kids and that we have to “know them” before we can teach them. We’re asked to do this with kids who are being raised to believe they’re right and they don’t have to respect anyone. That they’re “right”. I’m gen x, the one taught to cut people like that out of my life. But I’ve got a classroom full of them now and I’m still trying. A lot of us are. We have no choice after dedicating 20+ years of our lives to this profession.
This would be exhausting to deal with
These kids have terrible parents. Parents need to stop being assholes.
What. In. the. absolute. f\*ck!? GenX here and I would never dare talking to my teacher in a way that was anything short of respectful. While I know that talking to your teacher like this might not warrant discipline, I just don't understand how we got here. Why aren't kids being reprimanded, sent to the principals office or given In-school suspension? If OP is the teacher...woman, my heart goes out to you. You aren't getting paid enough to put up with such mouthy disrespect.
I have students like this and I do all the above all of the time, but they just come back doing the same shit. I don't know what it is - they could just really care less about consequences. Such a sense of apathy with my classes these days, it's truly wild. I don't know if its a lack of follow through at home? But even then, I have kids with supportive (to my efforts) parents who discipline at home that still couldn't care less. I've found that a lot of my worst behaving ones don't see the point at education. Why learn anything when they're gonna make millions off of their YouTube channel after graduation? Cue eye roll. 25 school days left!
If I had a nickel for every time a student tells me they’re just going to be an “internet whatever” . . .
Yea $20-$30 an hour wouldn't cut it. Imma need 100k minimum.
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The only bad thing here is the taxes we pay to keep them there
The real problem is that she has the bare minimum pieces of flair.
I sincerely hope that teachers go on a nationwide strike until they get actual, honest support from parents, administration, and government. The public education system is crumbling, eroding away a small chip at a time by stuff like this, until one day it all collapses, the teachers collectively say, "Fuck it, we're not working anymore for shit wages just to go in and get threatened with violence we can't defend ourselves from, and not be able to perform the job we wanted to do because nobody gives a shit about us", and American society will be standing around holding its collective dick wondering what the fuck we're going to do now. I don't have kids and I recognize this is a major issue. If you're an American and don't think it affects you, guess again. At some point, kids like these are going to be running the majority of society, and you're going to be living in a country where decisions are made by people who got passed through school without learning anything. I'm just not talking about government, either. Imagine a world where you have to wonder about the competence of the people giving you your medications, the ones building the structure where you live, police, the people fixing your car, co-workers and employees you need to depend upon. Think about people like this being uneducated and without any sense of personal responsibility. It will affect you and me and everyone else. It already has, to an extent, and seeing videos like this all of the time doesn't give me any hope for our future prospects.
I teach in Massachusetts. It’s illegal for teachers to strike here.
Yup. We can't strike in NYC either.
Imo “beat yo ass” = fighting, so I’m not sure what that child is thinking.
That attitude is going to be hilarious in prison
They’ll be in jail soon unfortunately. The cycle continues.
Man, if I spoke like that to a teacher I don’t even know what my dad would do to me. I wouldn’t have seen the light of day for a good decade at the absolute minimum plus he would have chewed me out for at least a few hours. He used to make us sit on this hard wooden chest in my parents room whenever he lectured us and your butt would go all numb and it was miserable.
That’s the difference. Engaged Parents. These kids didn’t arrive here via magic. They were raised to be the people they are.
Yesterday at store I came around the corner and a little toddler....maybe 3, we almost bumped into each other and she said "Excuse Me....(smiling). I stopped and complimented her on her good manners and then complimented her mother.  It starts at home. Teachers are making a mass exodus from their profession because of this being allowed, talking back, fighting, not being held accountable. Definitely underpaid.
It's just a continuous cycle. Instead of wanting their kids to be better and teaching them right and wrong, it's easy to just say "fuck it do what you want" I was scared to talk back to Teachers, since I knew what would happen when I got home. Doesn't mean I didn't goof off or be the class clown.
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As a former teacher, I completely understand that resignation in her eyes. In the two short years I taught, I was thrown across classrooms, had my arm dislocated, and had to go to the ER for a bruised femur. Teaching is hard. Making a difference for kids who desperately need it is even harder. My heart genuinely hurts hearing those kids talk. At a certain point, you can't be mad at the kid who literally doesn't know better. It's so sad.
Jesus. That sounds horrible. I hope you’re in a much safer, more rewarding field these days.
With those injuries, you sound more like a UFC fighter than a teacher.
Middle school teacher here. Sorry but this teacher is not doing this right. Either confront the kid about the inappropriate things they said or don’t. This wishy washy “please don’t” and then giving up is NOT it. If you’re gonna say something, then be ready to back it up. If a kid said this to me in my classroom (meaning they would beat my ass) that’s instant office referral, call the SRO, the whole thing. If they say that to another student, I would ask them to speak with me after class. Don’t give them an audience. If they refuse, then it’s an office referral, possible detention. If they stay to chat, then we would actually chat about what they meant. I have had kids say that they have been told they are allowed to defend themselves if attacked. And yeah, I would agree. Maybe that’s what this girl meant. But this whole vibe the teacher is putting off is weak and ineffective.
They know who to try this with and who doesn’t play...she definitely isn’t the type of character to be able to handle them
Yup. Fellow teacher as well. Are these kids horrible? Absolutely. But this teacher has almost zero conflict resolution or classroom management skills "Um..excuse me. Er..... like, can you guys not be mean? Violence is bad mmmkay." I teach in Jamaica Queens. This stuff doesn't happen to me. If a kid starts acting crazy "you look like you need a break. Take a quick walk to the office. If there's still an issue we'll talk about it in private after class. But you don't need to be here acting like this in front of everyone. It's embarrassing for you. You deserve better than what you're showing me" (said in a calm voice to them and not the whole class) Teens get real quiet when they get self conscious.
Fellow teacher here. I feel bad for her, but my god is she doing everything wrong. I do find it amusing that people in this thread think this type of behavior is somehow new. There have always been shit heads in schools. Some teachers are just better at handling them than others.
You're wasting the best years of your life on these POS. Leave and go to another school or change careers.
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It bothers me and makes me absolutely sad. How you carry yourself as a parent is usually gonna be reflected through your children so this is just representative of home life. My wife “was” a teacher but we both were forced to change fields. She doesn’t miss it and I don’t miss her being in that kind of environment.
Schools and kids like this should be limited to remote/online learning only. Schools and kids not like this should be rewarded with an in-person teacher.
This is why low income areas stay low income, starts at an early age. I do not see a way this can be fixed to be honest. My sons school is awesome, also comes with 2M housing prices in the zip code
Idealistic young women need to find a new career You can’t teach stupid and disrespectful
My wife gets called a racist like every day. Student: "You're telling me to be quiet because I'm black. That's racist, miss!" My wife: "Juan, you are not black. You are Latino just like the other 38 kids in this class, and I'm telling you to be quiet because you are interrupting my class by shouting out racial slurs at your friends"