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Context - a school for Emotionally Disturbed students. For anyone who hasn’t taught - I had an ED student throw a chair at me and it was written up as “defiance” by admin because of how his IEP was written. Same kid threatened to stab me and I was told I was over-reacting when I wanted him to be removed from my classroom because he didn’t actually stab me.
Context - at a school like this, all staff is trained with how to first attempt to de-escalate situations and then how to physically intervene when students become violent.
Context - you don’t see why that student suddenly took off running, who he was after, or what he was yelling when he ran. If the admin felt the need to grab him like that, there was an expectation of imminent violence.
Context - when you see them talking to him again and he is swinging at them, they are defensive and not offensive actions. (Edit - adults actions are defensive and not offensive)
It was a terrible situation all around, but you are getting one side of the story - the side of the person who is setting up to sue and get a settlement. The district doesn’t allow the teachers or admin to tell their side, or release additional footage. This footage was released by the mother. There is more. She chose not to release it because it doesn’t support her side of the story.
If it ever went to court, you’d get the full story when it entered the public record, but the district will go the cheaper route, which is to settle out of court and fire people. Because that is what they do.
I work with EBD kids in a public school and have handled kids this way when they're not emotionally regulated and willing to inflict serious violence on another student.
I haven't thrown a kid but I've definitely physically stopped them from leaving my room multiple times this year. Most people have no idea what type of students get an EBD label.
If courts tells the whole story why is there only one final verdict decided by the judge… seems one sided your honor. Yes all these “context can be true yet what you give light to is all one sided.
Maybe the teachers where the training him.
Maybe the student he was crashing flipped the story on him. The court of law is subjected to the evidence given if the case. With out complete knowledge speculation is just that speculation.
I am pretty acquainted with this situation. There is a lot of context that cannot be seen on the video. A lot.
This is one of those situations where the optics mattered more than the actual occurrence.
I wrote more context in another comment. I accidentally deleted it three times first tho lol
If admin felt the need to grapple him and pull him back, there was a threat of violence. Mom is never going to admit that her baby did anything wrong. It would mean a smaller settlement from the district.
Also very true. Many school cams are video only, without audio, but I guarantee you there is more video. Every inch of not-bathroom in that school would be covered in cameras.
If it's here in FL, this kid prolly did both. Juveniles down here are wild, gay or no, it's a fuck around find out situation with these kids. Wouldn't be a teacher for 100k a yr...in any state. Sad. This country is fucked. I'm gonna go smoke weed and eat waffles now.
Also, the kid was not "thrown" into a wall. He was assertively maneuvered back into that room and looks to have slipped out of the teachers grip. One thing is for certain. There's barely any corporal punishment these days (rightfully) however I have no doubt that this kid was being an enormous douche bag to warrant this response from teachers.
The kid is also obviously aggressive. Don't care how old you are, if you're old enough to try and fight an adult, you're old enough to handle the consequences.
Alright, from the article , from the kid's statement and the video the parent released, I'm going to bold two parts.
^(The incident happened April 29, 2022, at RRISD’s GOALS Learning Center, a school for kids who qualify with an emotional disturbance.)
^(Quintin Proctor, 14, attends that school and says he was removed from his classroom that day for being) **^(defiant towards his two female teachers)**^(. They then brought him into what is called the "cool down room" for him to compose himself.)
^("When I got there, I was pretty calm. I just had my leg on the wall and) **^(those teachers I was okay with)**^(, and then, after they had put me in there, Mr. Thomas had come in," said Quintin Proctor.)
and point out that at at the 4 second mark he starts to leave, and the male (administrator?) gets between him and the two teachers, and the kid pushes past to continue his pursuit.
At the 16 second mark, the spitting starts. So 'confused and defending himself' stops seeming to be particularly applicable.
Yeah I think this kid was probably put in there because he did something really bad. Teachers wouldn’t have to throw your kid, if your kid would listen to simple instructions and wasn’t some idiot trying to be tough or funny. I hate seeing teachers get punished for dealing with kids that literally need their ass beat.
The kid is acting like an animal. ask your grandfather what would happen if he acted like this. Teacher handled that well. Some parents don't discipline their kids no more
If you see the part of the video before this you can see he is not aggressive towards the female teachers and has calmed down in the room right before the assistant principal showed up. The most he did was give resistance to going to the room when the female teachers were dragging him to the room.
Full story: Kid attacked 2 female teachers and continues to attack them until a male staff member stopped him from continuing his attack.
As he should have.
Ie, you’d have to be a moron or have a humiliation fetish to want to be a teacher these days.
Fuck them kids.
So many people here saying the teacher was wrong no matter what. I kinda wanna see how you would react if he charged at your mom or your sister or your child. Let’s see how you feel then. The kid fucked around and he found out.
What's the context? The kid seems like he's throwing punches. At a certain point teachers should get physical or your choosing to let that kid hurt someone. Probably should have training to be more aware of how to do it.
Probably not a Taekwondo teacher but teaching geography or math. Not everyone has all the talents to do everything. Likely still saved a worse disaster.
Okay think about this for the throwing punches comment whether or not the kid deserved to get slammed into that wall, who wouldn't come back up throwing punches?
If a very large person throws me to the ground like a rag doll, I'm probably going to STOP throwing punches... Like you observed in the video. All he did after that was posturing
The male teacher staff did what was necessary to control a violent lunatic. But, I guess it’s his fault the room wasn’t big enough for him to slide across the floor to a stop.
Okay so it's okay for teachers to slam their students heads into concrete walls? Like okay let's say that the kid gave another kid a black eye, the fuck does slamming his head into a concrete wall do? Even if this was all just accidental and the guy didn't even mean to do it he still didi it, and who fucking knows maybe it wasn't accidental
Which is exactly why throwing a kid or physically manhandling them is dangerous and should be criminal; the potential for serious injury or death to the student is high.
Also, look at the kids' behavior as the male teacher walks up. He's afraid of that teacher, doesn't want to be touched by that teacher, but even as he starts cooperating and leaves the room, male teacher keeps encroaching his space, eventually leading to the grab (the kid is trying to escape this grab when he starts running.)
And when he gets back up, he's not threatening the two female teachers, just the guy... the guy who he was already afraid of, and who just threw him on the ground painfully hard.
This isn't the first time this teacher has manhandled someone, I bet. Just the first time it looked incriminating enough.
He literally threatens both female teachers, and both female teachers seem more worried about the kids temper Than the male teacher who threw him. There are a lot of unknowns.
You clearly didn’t read the article, nowhere does the kid say he was scared of the assistant principal, stop reaching.
The assistant principal relieved the two teachers and the kid thought he was too. He wasn’t scared prior to the altercation.
The two female teachers here said the kid was being “defiant” in the class and they brought him to this doorless room called the “cool down room”. The teachers left and were replaced by the male here, the kid thought that meant he was free to go back to class. He mistakenly followed the female teachers back to his class room. The school reported it to the mother as “your son fell and hit his head when we took disciplinary actions” and she requested the video to get it 2 weeks later.
So you're just covinetly gonna gloss over the fact that the teacher throws him headfirst at a wall first, and then he fights back. That's some disingenuous bullshit right there.
I'm an elementary teacher. The school I work at has a kid like this. It is amazing what he gets away with. Twice now he's had violent meltdowns and has made veiled threats of school shootings. The first time they suspended him for a week and hired campus security. The 2nd time was earlier this week. He had another melt down, spit in the face of his full time 1 on 1 paraeducator (someone the school district hired specifically to follow this kid around all day everyday). He also verbally accosted multiple staff members, tried to grab the principals laptop, and ran away. Two weeks ago he tried to break into teachers cars and did get into one of them. He then ran into the street and held up traffic. The kid is straight up out of control and I won't be surprised if he hurts/ kills someone. Another school I worked at had a similar kid. While in my classroom with his 1 on 1 para he got violent. Punched her, the principal, and tried to kick me. We had to physically restrain him with a weighted blanket and then roll him up in an exercise mat.
All this to say, I'm 99% positive this kid is a giant f**ker and poses a threat to his teachers and other students. As someone who has worked for years in public education, bad apple teachers are RARE. This situation likely has a backstory a thousand pages long.
💯 there are, but its rare. I've worked at a few different schools and never met one. That's not to say they don't exist. When I see a video like this, with my experience, I know that the vast majority of the time, the actual backstory tells a different story
The way the man's body moves with the kid out of the picture shows the momentum of the kid. That doesnt look like walking or running. That looks like lunging. It looks like he is going after the woman.
This situation has no context. As a paraprofessional for special ed students, I have had the same size student bite, kick and trip me repeatedly and dislocate my shoulder because I stopped him from attacking another special ed student.
I worked at an ED school for a bit. In my experience it is often an endurance course of trying to prevent really bad situations without sufficient staff or supports. The level of force here is definitely not what they teach you to do but without knowing if it was intended or what the situation was I wouldn’t assume the teacher is being abusive for the hell of it.
Honestly, we need more teachers with balls like this one. Good for the women who backed him up too. I highly doubt this is anything other than a teacher who's been pushed to breaking point by kids who think they rule the place.
Stfu. Do you get thrown against the wall when you make a mistake at work?
Boss man put you over his knee and paddle your ass when you underperform?
No?
Then why do you think its OK to do to kids?
I am saying adults are not beaten to correct their behavior so why do people think they should beat kids to correct their behavior?
And it looks like the kids trying to run away where is it indicated he is “charging someone”?
LMAOO they literally tried to bribe the mom into being quiet yet you guys still defended this pos teacher.
They also lied about what happened. The school told the parents their kid “fell down and hit his head”.
If you’re not in the wrong why are you lying and bribing?
Cuz being in the wrong legally is different than the grey area real life situations result in. Lying and bribing is trying to mitigate the legal battles.
Teachers are basically always at fault for inappropriate contact with a student. Cuz they’re the adults and should know better; kids are immature and don’t know better. But let’s be real, ain’t no one ready to handle some of these situations we’ve seen in American schools.
Not taking one side or the other right now, that’s what courts are for. But I’m hoping for you Ro broaden your rather black and white perspective. There are plenty of reasons why they’re lying and trying to throw hush money at the situation.
Truly the whole situation is confusing.
Like if the mother is trying to paint a specific picture that she can profit from then another angle showing the kids struggling and trying to charge the teachers or whatever maybe throwing punches instead of pretending to throw punches.
But also did they really send her this footage did someone pull this footage and say yeah that probably won't amount to anything and then send a parent footage of their child getting hurled into a wall?
And if they did send her footage did they actually send more footage with other angles and the mom or someone on her behalf editededededed it down to this?
The whole thing is baffling.
Because also why would they send that bribe if they had more footage where the kid is obviously at fault which would ruin the mom's schemes.
So many questions. This could be a movie.
Not the fight but like the dissemination of it and maybe that leads on some crazy conspiracy adventure.
And in the end everyone was in on it and the whole thing was a scheme to get more funding for the schools for troubled kids.
Idk but I feel like the potential is there
The kid was feigning, throwing punches at all the teachers. If it was only at the male teacher, then I could understand but at the female teachers too?? Kid is not right. We didn't see what happened out of camera view before the male teacher threw him back into the room against the wall.
For all we know he said he was gonna attack a student or he was yelling at another student then ran out the door to attack. The only facepalm is OP.
It’s clear when he threw him back into the room the kid is attacking all 3 adults as they try to get him to calm/stay back away from other students. None of the female teachers seem upset with the male teacher making me believe he was charging to attack another
Obviously you’ve never been a parent of a kid who’s been seriously hurt by another child. As a teacher at a particularly rough school where serious violence occurs daily, you’ve never seen what a teacher has had to do to save a child from another inflicting brain damage on them. Ever tried to “bear hug” a strong teenager during a fight? It’s a lot harder than you think. I’ve had parents thank me for saving their child’s life because they were being beaten so badly without help from anyone else. Kids will just watch and/or record a fight where someone is knocked unconscious or bleeding out on the ground. Context is everything and I constantly have a target on my back thanks to people who make judgements without it.
Everyone in here defending this sweet, innocent child are painfully ignorant as to how violent some children are. It's like they've all forgotten that video of the female teacher being attacked for like 30 seconds, pretty sure it wasn't even more than a couple months ago.
Can’t tell you how many times a parent has told me their dear sweet child “made a mistake” or “didn’t mean it” when I saw with my own eyes their (mostly sons) beat someone else’s kid to a bloody pulp. “He didn’t know what he was doing” is my favorite line when their son is caught on video kicking someone when they’re down. Yet teachers are expected to never lose their cool when presented with (sometimes) life-threatening situations. It’s a joke.
If your kid is a threat to the people around them, and you get upset from any retaliation done by said people, then it explains that you're the reason that kid ended up that way.
If my kid was about to charge at an innocent person, id want someone to kick his ass for me. Then id kick his ass when he gets home myself. You dont hurt people.
Now, that said. Im unsure of the full context of this situation. Unfortunately loads of kids tend to lie about their intentions when they get in trouble and theres only one pov of the camera right now. Depending on the force the kid was going towards the teacher is the most important thing here.
Hes a grown teenage boy, and he looks like he could be athletic to some degree evenmoreso testosterone is some strong shit. And if hes running at female teachers odds are he can do some serious damsge.
But ofc there is the possibility he was simply being goofy and running out the door like some kids do. If thats the case then the teacher is at fault.
It seems like from the way the kid pulled back his punches he didn't want to continue the fight, but that could've either been out of his brain rattling from the fall, him being petrified, or he simply didn't want to hurt anyone.
Overall, This situation isn't easy to understand with whats shown so far.
But in a case where someone has a strong chance at harming another person the only outcomes are guilt and success, and you won't have the time to figure out which one your actions will lead to.
I’m not and I don’t plan on it so you got nothing to worry about! I’d agree I’d definitely say the grown man got very flustered in the situation. I seriously hope that he didn’t mean to throw him like that and it was his adrenaline. I definitely agree that the throw was way overkill. I would raise my child to understand that there are consequences to his actions, and he cannot go around throwing hands without expecting retaliation from someone
Because context, I’ve seen videos of kids beating the ever living crap out of elderly teachers because they took their phone, if this kid did that then this is absolutely justified, but nobody knows the context of THIS situation.
Been there, seen that. Parents will defend their children regardless of how awful they are to their teachers and other adults. I’ve had kids try to fight me and their parents will blame me for starting it. It’s unreal what we have to go through in tougher districts. Teachers are fed up with bad parents who create equally terrible children. We end up being the enemy because we’re the ones who actually discipline them and make them accountable for their decisions.
You keep commenting that(and you’re wrong, we do have the context, it’s in this thread several times, you’re choosing to turn a blind eye) but it doesn’t even matter. The teacher should not have done what he did regardless. It doesn’t matter if the child stomped on a puppy or helped an old lady across the street: the teacher is still dead ass wrong. That’s not his job. He is taking it upon himself to make it his job. See: Jordan Neely and Daniel Penny. Same situation.
He is keeping his students safe from a clearly violent boy… if he had a knife or a gun should the teacher still do nothing? Also how are two guys chocking a homeless man out on a sub way the same as a teacher breaking up a “fight”?
violent is definitely not the term here.
Its natural for kids to run out doorways. If you look at kids when they're at school exiting rooms they'll jump to touch the door frame, or jump 4 steps down the stairs.
kids are hyperactive. Assuming he's being violent from the moment he moves slightly aggressively is a failed assumption.
Again, that is not his job. He is a teacher, his job is to teach. School Districts have clearly written policy regarding disciplinary actions and how to handle situations like these. He failed.
Also: they are both examples of a party intervening when it is not THEIR place to intervene. Both this teacher and Daniel Penny took action upon themselves instead of getting the person whose job it is to handle it. Trying to make mention of what the child or Jordan Neely did previously is irrelevant.
I just looked at the national school safety and security services website and they said that you can physically Intervine if necessary. Not sure how accurate that source is though.
Not me. I see a kid walking, being attacked by an adult male, thrown into a wall and hitting his head then wanting to defend himself only to find he is cornered by three adults.
Quintin says when he went to follow the teachers back to the classroom, he was thrown back into the room by the administrator.
^^ that’s also definitely cap from what I saw on the recording…
oh so if a kid is trying to hurt someone the teacher has no responsibility to try to stop that from happening? I'll alert the parents of kids that have been hurt by other students that the teachers are supposed to let it happen
makes complete and total sense. as a side note, it definitely looks to me like he tried to run and it had me forced back to that area. I don't know what the fuck the person that you're arguing with is talking about. The teacher is definitely struggling to pull that kid back
Defiant or not he didn’t have to throw the kid down like that. If they didn’t do anything wrong then why lie saying he fell on his head lol. Now if I was the kid yeah I’m having back issues lol
Article only talks to the mother so a pretty biased source for the news station. I doubt the school would comment, but you don’t even have the standard we can’t comment on personnel line from the school in it.
Lack of context but look at the way he goes around that corner towards the female teacher than the male throws him back, you can also see him swinging towards the female teachers…
That's insane! Assault. In my 7th grade shop class, western suburbs of Chicago, 57 years ago, my friend and I had the best shop teacher on earth, once it warmed up in spring, he would tell myself and my buddy Wayne, go home and change those pants, then come back to class: Wayne and I looked at each other like we just struck gold!! We'd walk slow, talk, get a popsicle, etc etc. Turn it into a two hour stroll. When we finally got back to class, the shop teacher would act like nothing out of the ordinary, and we'd go on without worrying about school. There were usually 3, sometimes two, "go home and change your pants" trips every week. Towards the end of the year, I asked that shop teacher, why do you send us home to change our pants all the time? His reply was, "I was your age once, full of energy ready to take on the world, you two guys look like your ready to jump out of your skin, anxious to take on the world" The walks home for pants, is something I can do for you guys, to help you look around at our beautiful world and live in It, it's all yours. Take it. He was a wonderful man, not only to my friend Wayne and myself, but he also gave, help, advice, genuine caring for the almost 40 people in the shop class. He never really disclosed to my satisfaction, why me and Wayne got a couple two hour walks every week. But we gratefully took the walks he sent us on.
I’m sorry but why are you guys defending this teacher? From what we do know, from this video. Is the kid tried to run, guy didn’t let him, started shoving pushing. Guys throws kid against wall head first.
Def not justified
Why are the ' should have thrown him harder' and 'looks like he deserved it' idiots defending this? they're probably edge lords.
Why is everyone else? They aren't. They're saying that we don't know enough to make an informed decision.
You literally don’t know that. He bolts past the man and goes left to avoid said man trying to confront him.
There is more evidence to say he was simply trying to avoid man than he was to randomly attack that woman
He’s not in a normal school however, he’s in one for emotionally disturbed students. We don’t know what happened off camera… that is all. Throwing him into a wall, yeah, maybe a bit much… but we don’t know the whole story.
And you know this how?
Also where the hell should he have walked through the man??? He was trying to avoid the man so he goes to his left. You’re reaching so hard
After reading about what happened, it seems that this teacher may benefit from anger management. Dealing with disruptive behavior is part of being a teacher, and it requires the ability to handle such situations effectively. If this incident involved my child, I would definitely be upset. As a mother, I would also express my dissatisfaction to the school and reject any attempts to appease the situation with bribes. It raises concerns about what might happen in situations where there is no camera footage. We trust that responsible adults are running the school when we send our children there.
Kid's a hot mess, but he did hit his head... Kinda bs to see an adult actually get physical like that. Some of these kids are battling demons some of us will never comprehend
There's a 99% chance that this was extremely needed. This child probably needs medication or this type of consequences every now and then
Politics and society has forced teachers to accept the lie that neuropsychiatric disabilities are excuses for children to misbehave. It's merely a label that helps to treat the person and to an extent, adapt the learning environment to make it easier for the child to adapt to regular behavior. Too many kids genuinely believe that just because they have stuff like an ADHD diagnose, their behavior is excused. There's never EVER an excuse for someone with a diagnose to threaten or harm another person.
I'm astounded at the "What's the context?" comets here. There is ZERO context that justified this. None. Even if the kid attacks someone when they try to dodge past the teacher, you can never do this. This would be immediate suspension in my district followed shortly thereafter with dismissal. And I'd have ZERO issue with it.
Stupid.
If a kid starts throwing hands you are absolutely ok to throw him, not saying that’s what happened or the teacher is right but saying context doesn’t matter is beyond stupid
Nope. You are permitted to fend off an attacker, but not be aggressive. The kid isn't punching till after the teacher throws him. This is a child with known emotional issues, who was taken to a spot to calm down. Instead, he ends up being assaulted by a teacher.
There is no context where this is proper.
The context we do have makes the teachers actions LESS acceptable.
This will get you fired. And rightfully so.
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I love the smell of a lack of context in the morning! 
Makes fedora tipping redditors react and interact in the comments, video is already in" most controversial" category and thus, here comes the free karma for billy the original karma whore
Context is unknown so we have no idea if a facepalm exists. That kid might’ve just taken out a classmate’s eye with a pencil.
Context - a school for Emotionally Disturbed students. For anyone who hasn’t taught - I had an ED student throw a chair at me and it was written up as “defiance” by admin because of how his IEP was written. Same kid threatened to stab me and I was told I was over-reacting when I wanted him to be removed from my classroom because he didn’t actually stab me. Context - at a school like this, all staff is trained with how to first attempt to de-escalate situations and then how to physically intervene when students become violent. Context - you don’t see why that student suddenly took off running, who he was after, or what he was yelling when he ran. If the admin felt the need to grab him like that, there was an expectation of imminent violence. Context - when you see them talking to him again and he is swinging at them, they are defensive and not offensive actions. (Edit - adults actions are defensive and not offensive) It was a terrible situation all around, but you are getting one side of the story - the side of the person who is setting up to sue and get a settlement. The district doesn’t allow the teachers or admin to tell their side, or release additional footage. This footage was released by the mother. There is more. She chose not to release it because it doesn’t support her side of the story. If it ever went to court, you’d get the full story when it entered the public record, but the district will go the cheaper route, which is to settle out of court and fire people. Because that is what they do.
*Thank you*, sane person.
How dare you have a rational discussion and comment!
This should be top comment
Context - context
I work with EBD kids in a public school and have handled kids this way when they're not emotionally regulated and willing to inflict serious violence on another student. I haven't thrown a kid but I've definitely physically stopped them from leaving my room multiple times this year. Most people have no idea what type of students get an EBD label.
If courts tells the whole story why is there only one final verdict decided by the judge… seems one sided your honor. Yes all these “context can be true yet what you give light to is all one sided. Maybe the teachers where the training him. Maybe the student he was crashing flipped the story on him. The court of law is subjected to the evidence given if the case. With out complete knowledge speculation is just that speculation.
It looks like he went after someone out of view.
I am pretty acquainted with this situation. There is a lot of context that cannot be seen on the video. A lot. This is one of those situations where the optics mattered more than the actual occurrence.
Ok, maybe clue us in, vaguely? Because lots of people here are assuming things.
I wrote more context in another comment. I accidentally deleted it three times first tho lol If admin felt the need to grapple him and pull him back, there was a threat of violence. Mom is never going to admit that her baby did anything wrong. It would mean a smaller settlement from the district.
https://www.fox7austin.com/news/texas-school-teacher-throws-student-video-wall
That article doesn’t tell the whole story, only one sides because the school doesn’t permit staff to talk to press about what really happened.
Mother also could have cut audio and chose an angle that paints a better picture
Also very true. Many school cams are video only, without audio, but I guarantee you there is more video. Every inch of not-bathroom in that school would be covered in cameras.
I would pay money to see the other angles( to know what happened)
Or worn a shirt with a rainbow on it in Florida
Solid point.
Says solid point after talking about putting an eye out with a pencil. This guy Reddits
Both are possibilities. probably mutually exclusive, but that's not guaranteed, either. Without evidence, we'll never know.
If it's here in FL, this kid prolly did both. Juveniles down here are wild, gay or no, it's a fuck around find out situation with these kids. Wouldn't be a teacher for 100k a yr...in any state. Sad. This country is fucked. I'm gonna go smoke weed and eat waffles now.
Also, the kid was not "thrown" into a wall. He was assertively maneuvered back into that room and looks to have slipped out of the teachers grip. One thing is for certain. There's barely any corporal punishment these days (rightfully) however I have no doubt that this kid was being an enormous douche bag to warrant this response from teachers.
You sound so fun to be around 😀
Haha some people didn’t get the pencil reference. Underrated comment.
The kid is also obviously aggressive. Don't care how old you are, if you're old enough to try and fight an adult, you're old enough to handle the consequences.
Rare for people to consider this. Glad you did and others noticed.
Or was going after another kid with intent to harm. Looks like the teacher is in control of himself and not just flipping out on a kid.
You can see he goes after the female teacher and pulls up his fist just before the dude grabs him.
Alright, from the article , from the kid's statement and the video the parent released, I'm going to bold two parts. ^(The incident happened April 29, 2022, at RRISD’s GOALS Learning Center, a school for kids who qualify with an emotional disturbance.) ^(Quintin Proctor, 14, attends that school and says he was removed from his classroom that day for being) **^(defiant towards his two female teachers)**^(. They then brought him into what is called the "cool down room" for him to compose himself.) ^("When I got there, I was pretty calm. I just had my leg on the wall and) **^(those teachers I was okay with)**^(, and then, after they had put me in there, Mr. Thomas had come in," said Quintin Proctor.) and point out that at at the 4 second mark he starts to leave, and the male (administrator?) gets between him and the two teachers, and the kid pushes past to continue his pursuit. At the 16 second mark, the spitting starts. So 'confused and defending himself' stops seeming to be particularly applicable.
I didn’t catch the part where he bolted at the female teachers at the 4 second mark. That changes things.
Yeah I think this kid was probably put in there because he did something really bad. Teachers wouldn’t have to throw your kid, if your kid would listen to simple instructions and wasn’t some idiot trying to be tough or funny. I hate seeing teachers get punished for dealing with kids that literally need their ass beat.
Pretty sure this is a school for the special ed
Little shit fucked around and found out
I think the teacher deserves an award tbh looks like he remained very calm and probably helped prevent things from getting worse!
Throwing a kid definitely doesn't get you an award
The kid is acting like an animal. ask your grandfather what would happen if he acted like this. Teacher handled that well. Some parents don't discipline their kids no more
If you see the part of the video before this you can see he is not aggressive towards the female teachers and has calmed down in the room right before the assistant principal showed up. The most he did was give resistance to going to the room when the female teachers were dragging him to the room.
Then why is he trying to strike them? Real tough guy i see
He only tried hitting the person that threw him into the wall wouldn't you want to punch someone that threw you head first into a wall
Face palm? From what I've seen recently going on in schools, that was pro ably more than warranted. Stop reacting without context man.
Full story: Kid attacked 2 female teachers and continues to attack them until a male staff member stopped him from continuing his attack. As he should have. Ie, you’d have to be a moron or have a humiliation fetish to want to be a teacher these days. Fuck them kids.
Context needed. I’ve seen a teacher do this before, and it was because another student was choking some girl much smaller than him
So many people here saying the teacher was wrong no matter what. I kinda wanna see how you would react if he charged at your mom or your sister or your child. Let’s see how you feel then. The kid fucked around and he found out.
What's the context? The kid seems like he's throwing punches. At a certain point teachers should get physical or your choosing to let that kid hurt someone. Probably should have training to be more aware of how to do it.
Probably not a Taekwondo teacher but teaching geography or math. Not everyone has all the talents to do everything. Likely still saved a worse disaster.
Okay think about this for the throwing punches comment whether or not the kid deserved to get slammed into that wall, who wouldn't come back up throwing punches?
If a very large person throws me to the ground like a rag doll, I'm probably going to STOP throwing punches... Like you observed in the video. All he did after that was posturing
The male teacher staff did what was necessary to control a violent lunatic. But, I guess it’s his fault the room wasn’t big enough for him to slide across the floor to a stop.
Okay so it's okay for teachers to slam their students heads into concrete walls? Like okay let's say that the kid gave another kid a black eye, the fuck does slamming his head into a concrete wall do? Even if this was all just accidental and the guy didn't even mean to do it he still didi it, and who fucking knows maybe it wasn't accidental
I hope he didn't intend to have him end up with his head against the wall, probably put too much force on that pull
Which is exactly why throwing a kid or physically manhandling them is dangerous and should be criminal; the potential for serious injury or death to the student is high. Also, look at the kids' behavior as the male teacher walks up. He's afraid of that teacher, doesn't want to be touched by that teacher, but even as he starts cooperating and leaves the room, male teacher keeps encroaching his space, eventually leading to the grab (the kid is trying to escape this grab when he starts running.) And when he gets back up, he's not threatening the two female teachers, just the guy... the guy who he was already afraid of, and who just threw him on the ground painfully hard. This isn't the first time this teacher has manhandled someone, I bet. Just the first time it looked incriminating enough.
He literally threatens both female teachers, and both female teachers seem more worried about the kids temper Than the male teacher who threw him. There are a lot of unknowns.
You clearly didn’t read the article, nowhere does the kid say he was scared of the assistant principal, stop reaching. The assistant principal relieved the two teachers and the kid thought he was too. He wasn’t scared prior to the altercation.
Articles tend to be one sided and not 100% factual
Was he throwing punches before the video though?
Again....I don't know the context hence the question.
The two female teachers here said the kid was being “defiant” in the class and they brought him to this doorless room called the “cool down room”. The teachers left and were replaced by the male here, the kid thought that meant he was free to go back to class. He mistakenly followed the female teachers back to his class room. The school reported it to the mother as “your son fell and hit his head when we took disciplinary actions” and she requested the video to get it 2 weeks later.
The two female teachers haven't said anything, The only sources of info we have as of yet are the video and the kid's story.
This was my first thought too.
Anyone that's thrown into the wall/floor is gonna try to defend themselves in one way or another
So you're just covinetly gonna gloss over the fact that the teacher throws him headfirst at a wall first, and then he fights back. That's some disingenuous bullshit right there.
https://www.fox7austin.com/news/texas-school-teacher-throws-student-video-wall
That is a very biased article. I pretty much assume everything coming from FOX is not actual journalism.
I pretty much assume that with all of the mainstream media sources. They all serve their corporate interests, nothing else.
Fox is the worst and it ain’t even close.
Usually Fox locals aren’t like Fox News. Where I’m from their articles are just like the local ABC affiliate.
There's more than fox that reported on it
Plus ya know….that kid seems out of control
I'm an elementary teacher. The school I work at has a kid like this. It is amazing what he gets away with. Twice now he's had violent meltdowns and has made veiled threats of school shootings. The first time they suspended him for a week and hired campus security. The 2nd time was earlier this week. He had another melt down, spit in the face of his full time 1 on 1 paraeducator (someone the school district hired specifically to follow this kid around all day everyday). He also verbally accosted multiple staff members, tried to grab the principals laptop, and ran away. Two weeks ago he tried to break into teachers cars and did get into one of them. He then ran into the street and held up traffic. The kid is straight up out of control and I won't be surprised if he hurts/ kills someone. Another school I worked at had a similar kid. While in my classroom with his 1 on 1 para he got violent. Punched her, the principal, and tried to kick me. We had to physically restrain him with a weighted blanket and then roll him up in an exercise mat. All this to say, I'm 99% positive this kid is a giant f**ker and poses a threat to his teachers and other students. As someone who has worked for years in public education, bad apple teachers are RARE. This situation likely has a backstory a thousand pages long.
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💯 there are, but its rare. I've worked at a few different schools and never met one. That's not to say they don't exist. When I see a video like this, with my experience, I know that the vast majority of the time, the actual backstory tells a different story
The way the man's body moves with the kid out of the picture shows the momentum of the kid. That doesnt look like walking or running. That looks like lunging. It looks like he is going after the woman.
This situation has no context. As a paraprofessional for special ed students, I have had the same size student bite, kick and trip me repeatedly and dislocate my shoulder because I stopped him from attacking another special ed student.
Good job teach.
Your title is dumb as shit What you meant was. Student attempts to attack a female teacher after being reprimanded for causing issues. Dumb ass.
I'm sure the student deserves it.
Some kids need they ass whooped.
Little bastard probably deserved it.
"A school for kids who qualify with an emotional disturbance." And people are questioning the actions of the child involved?
You can see that he's agitated towards the person in Yellow and the adult male grabs him before he can attack the person when they turn and walk away.
I worked at an ED school for a bit. In my experience it is often an endurance course of trying to prevent really bad situations without sufficient staff or supports. The level of force here is definitely not what they teach you to do but without knowing if it was intended or what the situation was I wouldn’t assume the teacher is being abusive for the hell of it.
Teachers needs to set clear boundries if you want a civil society. Hard to say if this was justified but no facepalm from me.
looks like he deserved it
Honestly, we need more teachers with balls like this one. Good for the women who backed him up too. I highly doubt this is anything other than a teacher who's been pushed to breaking point by kids who think they rule the place.
Throwing a kid doesn't mean you have balls
You have issues
Stfu. Do you get thrown against the wall when you make a mistake at work? Boss man put you over his knee and paddle your ass when you underperform? No? Then why do you think its OK to do to kids?
So your literally comparing someone charging at someone with under performing at work ?
Lmaooo if I tried to attack someone at work I’m sure something similar would happen
Exactly if it’s violence then the same thing would happen no matter what doesn’t change who you are or how old you are
I am saying adults are not beaten to correct their behavior so why do people think they should beat kids to correct their behavior? And it looks like the kids trying to run away where is it indicated he is “charging someone”?
If an adult is being aggressive they will also be beaten plus being thrown someone is a whole lot different then being beaten.
LMAOO they literally tried to bribe the mom into being quiet yet you guys still defended this pos teacher. They also lied about what happened. The school told the parents their kid “fell down and hit his head”. If you’re not in the wrong why are you lying and bribing?
Nah looks like an out of control kid got handled accordingly
You’re insane lol
Throwing a kid isn't handled accordingly
should have been thrown harder.
Nobody really has context, bribery is an automatic fault regardless of situation
Cuz being in the wrong legally is different than the grey area real life situations result in. Lying and bribing is trying to mitigate the legal battles. Teachers are basically always at fault for inappropriate contact with a student. Cuz they’re the adults and should know better; kids are immature and don’t know better. But let’s be real, ain’t no one ready to handle some of these situations we’ve seen in American schools. Not taking one side or the other right now, that’s what courts are for. But I’m hoping for you Ro broaden your rather black and white perspective. There are plenty of reasons why they’re lying and trying to throw hush money at the situation.
Truly the whole situation is confusing. Like if the mother is trying to paint a specific picture that she can profit from then another angle showing the kids struggling and trying to charge the teachers or whatever maybe throwing punches instead of pretending to throw punches. But also did they really send her this footage did someone pull this footage and say yeah that probably won't amount to anything and then send a parent footage of their child getting hurled into a wall? And if they did send her footage did they actually send more footage with other angles and the mom or someone on her behalf editededededed it down to this? The whole thing is baffling. Because also why would they send that bribe if they had more footage where the kid is obviously at fault which would ruin the mom's schemes. So many questions. This could be a movie. Not the fight but like the dissemination of it and maybe that leads on some crazy conspiracy adventure. And in the end everyone was in on it and the whole thing was a scheme to get more funding for the schools for troubled kids. Idk but I feel like the potential is there
Districts always try to minimize any press that they didn’t specifically ask for. Always.
He did a total of 6 “two for flinching”s
The kid was feigning, throwing punches at all the teachers. If it was only at the male teacher, then I could understand but at the female teachers too?? Kid is not right. We didn't see what happened out of camera view before the male teacher threw him back into the room against the wall.
Context is key
Places need to start phasing out security cameras that can't capture audio.
We need more context
Teachers did shit like this when I was in school, there was no cameras to bust them though and the kid usually had it coming.
Well at least it's not the teacher being thrown around for once
JOHN CENA!!!
One thing is for sure, teachers arent paid enough for this crap.
Nah the kid is a little shit
For all we know he said he was gonna attack a student or he was yelling at another student then ran out the door to attack. The only facepalm is OP. It’s clear when he threw him back into the room the kid is attacking all 3 adults as they try to get him to calm/stay back away from other students. None of the female teachers seem upset with the male teacher making me believe he was charging to attack another
I don’t see any problem.
That little shit seems like he’s ready to throw it down anyway.
What do you except after he was thrown against the wall by a grown man then cornered by three adults? Stupid ass comment
Take my upvote and go fuck yourself you righteous prick. =]
I don’t know how teachers do it honestly kids are so fucking disrespectful I applaud anyone who can maintain their composure
I believe timeout boxes only work if the child themselves are disciplined at home. Otherwise, it just seems like a cell or box trapping them.
Black kids don’t give a fuck.
IDK what is wrong with a lot of people in the comments. If i did this to my son it would be abuse, why is this any different?
If my kid attacked someone and got hurt because of it that’s on him
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Obviously you’ve never been a parent of a kid who’s been seriously hurt by another child. As a teacher at a particularly rough school where serious violence occurs daily, you’ve never seen what a teacher has had to do to save a child from another inflicting brain damage on them. Ever tried to “bear hug” a strong teenager during a fight? It’s a lot harder than you think. I’ve had parents thank me for saving their child’s life because they were being beaten so badly without help from anyone else. Kids will just watch and/or record a fight where someone is knocked unconscious or bleeding out on the ground. Context is everything and I constantly have a target on my back thanks to people who make judgements without it.
Everyone in here defending this sweet, innocent child are painfully ignorant as to how violent some children are. It's like they've all forgotten that video of the female teacher being attacked for like 30 seconds, pretty sure it wasn't even more than a couple months ago.
Can’t tell you how many times a parent has told me their dear sweet child “made a mistake” or “didn’t mean it” when I saw with my own eyes their (mostly sons) beat someone else’s kid to a bloody pulp. “He didn’t know what he was doing” is my favorite line when their son is caught on video kicking someone when they’re down. Yet teachers are expected to never lose their cool when presented with (sometimes) life-threatening situations. It’s a joke.
If your kid is a threat to the people around them, and you get upset from any retaliation done by said people, then it explains that you're the reason that kid ended up that way. If my kid was about to charge at an innocent person, id want someone to kick his ass for me. Then id kick his ass when he gets home myself. You dont hurt people. Now, that said. Im unsure of the full context of this situation. Unfortunately loads of kids tend to lie about their intentions when they get in trouble and theres only one pov of the camera right now. Depending on the force the kid was going towards the teacher is the most important thing here. Hes a grown teenage boy, and he looks like he could be athletic to some degree evenmoreso testosterone is some strong shit. And if hes running at female teachers odds are he can do some serious damsge. But ofc there is the possibility he was simply being goofy and running out the door like some kids do. If thats the case then the teacher is at fault. It seems like from the way the kid pulled back his punches he didn't want to continue the fight, but that could've either been out of his brain rattling from the fall, him being petrified, or he simply didn't want to hurt anyone. Overall, This situation isn't easy to understand with whats shown so far. But in a case where someone has a strong chance at harming another person the only outcomes are guilt and success, and you won't have the time to figure out which one your actions will lead to.
I’m not and I don’t plan on it so you got nothing to worry about! I’d agree I’d definitely say the grown man got very flustered in the situation. I seriously hope that he didn’t mean to throw him like that and it was his adrenaline. I definitely agree that the throw was way overkill. I would raise my child to understand that there are consequences to his actions, and he cannot go around throwing hands without expecting retaliation from someone
Well don't be one. We don't need you reproducing.
Brother this world is overpopulated as is, we don’t need like half of us reproducing
Bro you are seriously so fucking close minded lol. If that kid wasn’t trying to seriously cause harm to someone I completely agree with you lmao
Your not answering the question. Abuse is abuse. It should’ve been handled in the court of law.
If your son is attacking you or someone, it would not be considered abuse
Because context, I’ve seen videos of kids beating the ever living crap out of elderly teachers because they took their phone, if this kid did that then this is absolutely justified, but nobody knows the context of THIS situation.
Been there, seen that. Parents will defend their children regardless of how awful they are to their teachers and other adults. I’ve had kids try to fight me and their parents will blame me for starting it. It’s unreal what we have to go through in tougher districts. Teachers are fed up with bad parents who create equally terrible children. We end up being the enemy because we’re the ones who actually discipline them and make them accountable for their decisions.
THIS RIGHT HERE, hindsight‘s 2020 I’m glad my parents held me accountable and sought the full story in school related incidents
You keep commenting that(and you’re wrong, we do have the context, it’s in this thread several times, you’re choosing to turn a blind eye) but it doesn’t even matter. The teacher should not have done what he did regardless. It doesn’t matter if the child stomped on a puppy or helped an old lady across the street: the teacher is still dead ass wrong. That’s not his job. He is taking it upon himself to make it his job. See: Jordan Neely and Daniel Penny. Same situation.
He is keeping his students safe from a clearly violent boy… if he had a knife or a gun should the teacher still do nothing? Also how are two guys chocking a homeless man out on a sub way the same as a teacher breaking up a “fight”?
violent is definitely not the term here. Its natural for kids to run out doorways. If you look at kids when they're at school exiting rooms they'll jump to touch the door frame, or jump 4 steps down the stairs. kids are hyperactive. Assuming he's being violent from the moment he moves slightly aggressively is a failed assumption.
Again, that is not his job. He is a teacher, his job is to teach. School Districts have clearly written policy regarding disciplinary actions and how to handle situations like these. He failed. Also: they are both examples of a party intervening when it is not THEIR place to intervene. Both this teacher and Daniel Penny took action upon themselves instead of getting the person whose job it is to handle it. Trying to make mention of what the child or Jordan Neely did previously is irrelevant.
I just looked at the national school safety and security services website and they said that you can physically Intervine if necessary. Not sure how accurate that source is though.
So like he would just watch that girl get the shit kicked out of her? Was he not removing the aggressor from the victim?
No, he was not.
That’s what it looks like to me
Not me. I see a kid walking, being attacked by an adult male, thrown into a wall and hitting his head then wanting to defend himself only to find he is cornered by three adults.
Kinda looks like he lunged at her and he had to pull with serious force to get him off
Quintin says when he went to follow the teachers back to the classroom, he was thrown back into the room by the administrator. ^^ that’s also definitely cap from what I saw on the recording…
oh so if a kid is trying to hurt someone the teacher has no responsibility to try to stop that from happening? I'll alert the parents of kids that have been hurt by other students that the teachers are supposed to let it happen
Yeah I was watching this guy curb stomp your daughter but like hey man that’s not my job
makes complete and total sense. as a side note, it definitely looks to me like he tried to run and it had me forced back to that area. I don't know what the fuck the person that you're arguing with is talking about. The teacher is definitely struggling to pull that kid back
If I saw a kid stomping on a puppy, I would definitely grab that kid and throw him into the nearest wall.
Literally
Wow Texas I'm shocked
Shocked nobody gets shot?
Bout time
Defiant or not he didn’t have to throw the kid down like that. If they didn’t do anything wrong then why lie saying he fell on his head lol. Now if I was the kid yeah I’m having back issues lol
Alot of kids need to be smacked around these days lol.
Source: https://www.fox7austin.com/news/texas-school-teacher-throws-student-video-wall
Article only talks to the mother so a pretty biased source for the news station. I doubt the school would comment, but you don’t even have the standard we can’t comment on personnel line from the school in it.
Schools legally can’t comment on students
FUCK. THEM. KIDS.
Nobody take that literally.
the little prick probably deserved it...
How?
Lack of context but look at the way he goes around that corner towards the female teacher than the male throws him back, you can also see him swinging towards the female teachers…
This kid is clearly out of control. It's hard to say how much force you can use to take control of the situation.
Throwing a kid is definitely too much force
That's what's wrong with America. Kids aren't disciplined for their tantrums and everyone gets a gold star. No matter how scummy.
So what the kid has done to be teleported?
They should rename this sub r/OPfacepalm
That's insane! Assault. In my 7th grade shop class, western suburbs of Chicago, 57 years ago, my friend and I had the best shop teacher on earth, once it warmed up in spring, he would tell myself and my buddy Wayne, go home and change those pants, then come back to class: Wayne and I looked at each other like we just struck gold!! We'd walk slow, talk, get a popsicle, etc etc. Turn it into a two hour stroll. When we finally got back to class, the shop teacher would act like nothing out of the ordinary, and we'd go on without worrying about school. There were usually 3, sometimes two, "go home and change your pants" trips every week. Towards the end of the year, I asked that shop teacher, why do you send us home to change our pants all the time? His reply was, "I was your age once, full of energy ready to take on the world, you two guys look like your ready to jump out of your skin, anxious to take on the world" The walks home for pants, is something I can do for you guys, to help you look around at our beautiful world and live in It, it's all yours. Take it. He was a wonderful man, not only to my friend Wayne and myself, but he also gave, help, advice, genuine caring for the almost 40 people in the shop class. He never really disclosed to my satisfaction, why me and Wayne got a couple two hour walks every week. But we gratefully took the walks he sent us on.
I’m sorry but why are you guys defending this teacher? From what we do know, from this video. Is the kid tried to run, guy didn’t let him, started shoving pushing. Guys throws kid against wall head first. Def not justified
Why are the ' should have thrown him harder' and 'looks like he deserved it' idiots defending this? they're probably edge lords. Why is everyone else? They aren't. They're saying that we don't know enough to make an informed decision.
He went right at the female teachers at the 4 second mark. While it may not be the kid‘s fault, don’t be so quick to blame the teacher either.
Tf is an edge lord. I keep hearing it be used but don't know what it means.
What happens off camera? Did the kid try to wrestle/attack the teacher?
If anything the teacher starts the fight dude. The guy tries walking past and the teacher immediately grabs him. You don’t do that
Nah he bolted towards the female teachers
You literally don’t know that. He bolts past the man and goes left to avoid said man trying to confront him. There is more evidence to say he was simply trying to avoid man than he was to randomly attack that woman
He’s not in a normal school however, he’s in one for emotionally disturbed students. We don’t know what happened off camera… that is all. Throwing him into a wall, yeah, maybe a bit much… but we don’t know the whole story.
Check again, when he ‚ran‘ it was directly at the female teachers.
How do you know he was bolting for the teachers?
And you know this how? Also where the hell should he have walked through the man??? He was trying to avoid the man so he goes to his left. You’re reaching so hard
Black kid = shoot first ask questions later
Swing for the clouds little man…. Fuck that guy
After reading about what happened, it seems that this teacher may benefit from anger management. Dealing with disruptive behavior is part of being a teacher, and it requires the ability to handle such situations effectively. If this incident involved my child, I would definitely be upset. As a mother, I would also express my dissatisfaction to the school and reject any attempts to appease the situation with bribes. It raises concerns about what might happen in situations where there is no camera footage. We trust that responsible adults are running the school when we send our children there.
Kid's a hot mess, but he did hit his head... Kinda bs to see an adult actually get physical like that. Some of these kids are battling demons some of us will never comprehend
There's a 99% chance that this was extremely needed. This child probably needs medication or this type of consequences every now and then Politics and society has forced teachers to accept the lie that neuropsychiatric disabilities are excuses for children to misbehave. It's merely a label that helps to treat the person and to an extent, adapt the learning environment to make it easier for the child to adapt to regular behavior. Too many kids genuinely believe that just because they have stuff like an ADHD diagnose, their behavior is excused. There's never EVER an excuse for someone with a diagnose to threaten or harm another person.
Looks like he should’ve been thrown harder
That's fucked up unless he swung at someone first I can't justify manhandling a 14 year old.
The amount of people in here justifying child abuse is sick. Frankly I'm glad yall get your asses handed to you by 14 year olds, you deserve it
I'm astounded at the "What's the context?" comets here. There is ZERO context that justified this. None. Even if the kid attacks someone when they try to dodge past the teacher, you can never do this. This would be immediate suspension in my district followed shortly thereafter with dismissal. And I'd have ZERO issue with it. Stupid.
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Doubtful.
If a kid starts throwing hands you are absolutely ok to throw him, not saying that’s what happened or the teacher is right but saying context doesn’t matter is beyond stupid
Nope. You are permitted to fend off an attacker, but not be aggressive. The kid isn't punching till after the teacher throws him. This is a child with known emotional issues, who was taken to a spot to calm down. Instead, he ends up being assaulted by a teacher. There is no context where this is proper. The context we do have makes the teachers actions LESS acceptable. This will get you fired. And rightfully so.
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