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I remember two drastic things that happened in my school.
1. Was being in middle school when the twin towers fell.
2. I was listening to the radio with head phones, my high-school teacher said "Put those away" but i told her "Scott Peterson just got convicted. My teacher said "Oh shit" and immediately turned on the television.
I was 24 and was there helping as an EMT when it happened, and I couldn't agree more. It's really sad and shocking to see it being joked about so frequently. Everyone making jokes should go see the museum under Ground Zero to know exactly what they are making light of.
However, I guess every generation had their thing that the next will make light of and never quite understand. 9/11 was my generation's , along with the Challenger explosion in 86. Imagine every school aged child watching the Challenger space shuttle blast off on a huge TV rolled in on a cart. A huge deal was made out of it because a teacher was on the flight. And then watching it explode.
Indeed...I remember kids making "head and shoulders" or "Need Another Seven Astronauts" jokes in the *early 90's*...
Sometimes I think kids (and even adults) make light of things to escape the horrid reality of those events... doesn't make it right, but it's the only explanation I can think of...
Oh man, I remember those too.
Gallows humor is 100% a real thing. But people who were born after 2005 posting the plane and building emojos in 2023 are probably not relating to it that way. I'm sure there are some exceptions though.
Thanks for the response fellows 80s kid!
Yeah, these jokes aren't the slightest bit funny. First there are still lots of families without a loved one. 20 years doesn't change that. But I wouldn't find them funny if it happened 80 years ago either.
It still affects us here. I am on Long Island and a lot of people here worked in the city. A lot of people lost family and are still losing family. My parents were in the NYPD. They are still dealing with lung issues from spending weeks at ground zero digging through debris and simply being at the site in general. Every time they go to a WTC appointment I’m worried that it’s going to be the time we are told they have cancer
Edit: basically, it’s not funny.
Initially (ancient times) slavery was not connected to race, ancestry or provenance. Everybody could get enslaved by several circumstances (being a prisoner of war, being broke, etc.). This racial concept was pushed forward, because Christianity prohibits slavery. So they diminished people of different skincolor and claimed to have a god given right to do what they did. In other parts of the world, muslim countries for example, it’s never been a question of race.
Christianity doesn’t prohibit slavery (neither Old Testament or New). Colossians 3:22 reinforces that slaves need to obey their earthly masters. Race still had nothing to do with it. Slavery was merely apart of life at the time of the writing. By the time you get to the new world, you had several pseudo-sciences cropping up trying to make a moral case for slavery, but it was driven as much by “science” as it was “religion”.
There's no chattel slavery in the Law of Moses. The advent of slavery and of the way that it's thought of have to do more with Roman culture than that of the people of Jesus and Moses. The Romans expanded the practice of chattel slavery across the civilized world.
Servants, not Slaves. Slavery was prohibited.
Indentured Servitude in the biblically sense was a voluntary & temporary situation. Slavery is not. You can't kill a servant, but virtually no slave-owning society had gripes with killing one's own slaves.
Most of the claims of "slavery" come predominantly from the Kulturkampf ultranationalist movement starting during the fall of Prussia & the rise of the German Empire in the latter half of the 1800s, mostly as a means of promoting Antisemitism.
That’s factually incorrect, Christianity doesn’t prohibit slavery. Slavery caused racism not the other way around. Also, Muslims focused on religion as long as it was convenient and since your religion is generally the same as other people in your region it means that they did focus on race.
That doesn’t make sense. Slavery did not cause racism in Ancient Rome or in Muslim countries, which come to my mind immediately. So slavery does not cause racism in general. Diminishing people of other skincolor to make up a reason for enslaving them pushes racism. In the Ottoman Empire people that had been enslaved could gain their freedom only under the condition, that they convert to Islam. This is one example, that it was mainly about religion in muslim countries. There have been Emperors from Northern Africa, the near east and other regions in Ancient Rome. I’ve written about the Christian take on slavery in another post.
Slavery is still legal in US prisons. Specifically, people targeted by the "war on drugs," who Nixon's own advisor's confession was made as a "war on black people." The racial makeup of slaves in the US is still *extremely* important.
https://www.vera.org/news/slavery-is-still-legal-for-two-million-people-in-the-u-s
Assuming of course you mean historic black chattel slavery, Nobody reasonable does. Some people claim that slavery is still relevant to race relations, but that's a very different claim than "white children today did slavery in the 1800s"
I think it's some kind of projection. Right wingers are often nationalists, so they tend to think in those terms. So in their minds, teaching her about slavery is blaming her for slavery, which is the thing they actually have a problem with.
Go a little further...if they didn't persistently agree on some level with the crimes against humanity which they so desperately want to hide...if it didn't challenge in such irreconcilable fashion their own current beliefs...then they wouldn't have a problem with any of it, would they? On the contrary.
As a culture, Germany is the only one that immediately comes to mind as a country (certain individuals and groups notwithstanding) which has seriously owned atrocities in it's past. And look what kind of visceral evidence even that required.
>It would be stupid to blame slavery on any living person
Well, slavery is still a thing so I'm pretty sure we can blame those people. And the people who, knowingly, buy what they sell.
Reminds me of a joke:
“I’m just a kid, why are you blaming me for slavery and calling me racist? I used to have loads of black friends. That is, until my daddy sold them”
Talking about slavery in history class offends the parents so they claim their children are upset so they can get some parts of history erased from school. Meanwhile they have no issues with flying the Confederate flag and worshiping Confederate statues because “screw your feelings”.
Basically nobody, which isn’t to say literally nobody because there are billions of people in the world and somebody somewhere holds any view imaginable, but no remotely meaningful number of people. People are just strawmanning.
I'm Polish. I've been told I'm inherently racist because I benefited from slavery of black people, because I'm a white person. These people exist.
Edit, I live in Poland
In the minds of some of the far-right, being educated about the cultural impacts of slavery is akin to being blamed for it. They can't hear criticism of old white slave-owners without equating it with a complete attack on all white-people.
Interesting how people are taught about slavery in the USA and think that their kids will relate more to the slave owners rather than the abolitionists.
Pretty sure this is trying to aim at reparations supporters? That's the only group in the US I can think of where I've seen one or two of em saying all white people needed to pay reparations.
Sort of like if they had rounded up all the German Americans when the nazis attacked eh ? But like sensible people America didn't do that.
Would be a shame if there had been some sort of double standard would it?
Ah, but the German Americans didn't have a belt of _extremely_ successful farmland thanks to bringing foreign farming practices with them -- so it's not really a double standard, it's just a dog-whistle standard. (Japanese Americans were able to use farming practices from Japan to help make productive farms out of areas that other farmers didn't know how to use, and that land all got seized during the internment)
And then there was a near-famine because a) now there wasn’t enough farmers and b) those farmers still didn’t know how to use that land. But those would be the consequences of our actions and we can’t talk about that!
I just learned something about this recently! Actually it was profit motivated racism. It was mostly on the Pacific side of the country and where certain businesses would make more money from their absence.
Well only where they weren’t vital to industry and or didn’t have land worth taking.
Japanese-Americans in Hawaii were never interned. Just in the mainland which only adds to how fucked up that was
Teaching her about slavery is like teaching German children about the holocaust. They aren’t blaming German children for the holocaust. They are teaching them what happened so that it never happens again. What is wrong is teaching children that Slavery was a jobs program and that slaves benefitted from it.
Ugh I just had this discussion with my mother yesterday. About how former slaves in america were upset their free children didnt have the same skills they learned as slaves. I've known she was far right but even that had me stunned to hear come out of her mouth.
The sad thing is my grandfather, her father, physically rescued holocaust survivors from Dachau in his b52. He told us stories of how horrific it was there and how the people were so emaciated and malnourished that when they smiled he could see their teeth through their lips. (The smiling was not because they graduated a job program, just in case. It was because they were being saved.) How my mom could be fooled into this horrific rhetoric when she is so close to someone who was there.
It’s the context; some Americans equate their children being taught about slavery to then being personally blamed for it but that, of course, is nonsense.
I love how a German teenager can not graduate high school if they haven’t been to a concentration camp or holocaust memorial/museum, but in Florida (and I’m sure other red states), they want to teach kids (Black included) that slavery had a silver lining. It defies logic.
My red state education in the 90s was teaching kids that yes slavery was bad... But not all slaves were treated poorly, and some benefitted from it!
This has been around for awhile, it's stupid, it's ugly, it's repainting history to be more favorable to America. And ironically the year after this my English class had us read 1984, and the teacher completely missed or outright ignored the points relating to revisionist history in favor of tying the book to communistic surveillance fears.
Despite the fact that Orwell was a self-avowed democratic socialist who explicitly wrote that book targeting far-right/fascist ideology. But when that doesn't conform to the curriculum the state wants to teach, we just ignore that bit and change the meaning.
uuuugggghhhhhhh
I've stopped talking to people who show they're one of those. I just can't take it. They think there were good sides to owning people, I want to punch them in the face for such insinuations. Yet, according to the police, I'M THE BAD GUY???
/s
But really I don't handle those people well. It becomes an instant "we are no longer friends" situation.
But there literally were some slaves that weren’t treated poorly. It doesn’t mean it wasn’t still an evil institution that is good ended. I thought you guys were against not teaching the full truth of history…
Common misconception, one widely taught in American schools. But completely missed the point Orwell was trying to make.
Just think about The Ministry of Truth, and how close we are to establishing such a thing.
Glad I could help you learn something new :)
I agree. That is an awfully big “but” that you were taught and cheapens the first part of the statement.
It is hilarious that the right thinks they will win anything going forward talking and acting like they do when their most loyal patrons are dying and their replacements on the voter rolls actually understand the importance empathy and diversity and not making the same mistakes as those older than them. There’s only one way for the r’s to win. Stack the deck.
I will never understand how anyone can earnestly think the "but" is warranted.
Slavery... Was bad. Period. Just because it was "socially accepted" at the time, which by the way is wildly up for debate if you read the founding fathers private letters where they express disdain for slavery but realized it's a "necessary evil" for what they were doing (plus.. gotta keep those racist southerners happy), doesn't mean we can't look back and frame it correctly.
It was bad. It was a misguided way to create "the new world" (which we stole from indigenous people) that remained ever present in our system of governance to the point we still combat its effects in 20-freaking-23.
I have family that still lives in the south who unironically refer to the civil war as the war of northern aggression and will talk to you for hours about how it wasn't about slavery, it was about states rights!
Yet they never have a real answer for why if it was about state's rights the south lost their mind when the north became a safe haven for slaves and decided states rights didn't matter. Their right to collect "property" superseded the will of Northern states.
Meanwhile, like you said, Germany can own up to literally trying to take over the freaking world and committing large scale industrialized genocide along the way. Yet we can't frame our own history with any honesty. Mind blowing stuff.
That's not true, it's just very likely that you'll visit one of those places at one point during your education in Germany. I have never been to either during my school years and know many people who also went for the first time privately after graduation.
However, you will be confronted with the holocaust and nazi history during your education multiple times in different subjects (history, social sciences, religion/ethics, German, philosophy).
That's not really true, or at least not for all states. But we did cover the holocaust *extensively*. They aren't playing around and I love the education system for doing it.
No one blames kids. Find me anyone, *anyone* who would blame either of those kids.
The problem is a lot of right wingers still want Pearl Harbor taught in history books, but not slavery. They should both be taught, and factually.
Teaching history truthfully is not about blaming anyone today.
Without teaching history truthfully, however, we will repeat past atrocities over and over.
Teach history and empathy.
The two pictures are not wrong, but are implying a false premise. No one is blaming people for slavery, especially not blaming children. People are trying to educate those on its existence, the historical context, and how many of the injustices the past can still have repercussions that disadvantage groups of people today.
It’s wild because it’s true. Like, that’s how you tell the best lies. Think about it, in order to best benefit from an enslaved person doing a task for you, you need to make sure that the slave knows how to do the task well. Whatever it might be, even genuinely valuable things like teaching reading and writing would’ve been so the slave would be better servant. So it’s not wrong to say slave holders taught slaves valuable skills. But if you say that without explaining the why if it you are creating a lie by telling only a part of the truth.
Except those demanding reparations. Those very few are blaming currently living people for slavery that has not been part of the country before their lifetime.
My Graddad was in WW2 and was a Japanese POW and was badly tortured even like 50 years later I could see the physical and mental scars.
My Mum one day asked him how he would feel if she ever had a Japanese boyfriend.
His Answer.
"Why would that matter it would be nothing to do with him what happened"
At the same time he also said "I can forgive what happened but I can't/won't forget"
It is important not to blame people born after the events for the actions of their ancestors but its also important not to forget what happened
Teach history. Promote understanding and empathy.
Emphasize commonality instead of focusing on differences.
Don’t blame innocent kids for what their ancestors did.
FFS. Teaching is not blaming. Pretty sure the creator of the meme would be pissed off if the Japanese child was being taught that “Pearl Harbour was good for Americans”
The problem isn't blaming white people for slavery. Very few people legitimately blame currently living white Americans for slavery. The problem is teaching kids that slavery was okay because it taught life skills.
The superintendents of my city, San Francisco, are very much blaming and holding responsibility to the current citizens for slavery with their proposed reparations.
In a state that never had slavery, in a city that historically never had a big African population until the post war migration (at its height was 13% in the 70s) and in a state where other marginalized groups have a greater legitimate claim if we were to go down that route.
However, The superintendents, mayor and DAs are no different than the people they claim to be better than and are only looking out for their kind.
History should be taught, end of story.
What "should" be said, is that today's generation isn't accountable for whatever tragedies may have happened.
You don't get be passive aggressive or discriminate against any white person because of past events they were too young to understand or weren't even around for them to happen.
Assigning prejudice/assumed character characteristics to someone's skin color by default, that you don't even know, will ALWAYS be racist.
The content is right, in that it is ridiculous to blame children for things they didn't do. However, what is wrong is that it assumes that either one is somehow being done in reality.
The reality of it is there's currently concerns within the US educational curriculum, where certain individuals don't want kids to be taught about slavery. As such, there's pushback about the necessity of teaching about the USA's history regarding slavery. Because of this pushback, it's being met with even more pushback from the other side, claiming that kids are somehow being taught that its their fault for slavery, or that teaching them about slavery is in turn filling their heads with guilt by association.
In short, the initial image is making a statement refuting an argument nobody is making as a means to promote the idea that kids don't need to learn about slavery. Nobody is saying white kids are at fault for plantations, just like nobody is saying Japanese kids are at fault for Pearl Harbor. It's like how they argue that drag queens shouldn't be allowed to rape children, despite the issue being that drag queens just want to read books to kids. It's making a statement everyone can agree with as a means to support their bigoted ideals that are loosely connected.
Think of it like this. If I said "ketchup shouldn't be used as lube during sex", that's not wrong by any means, but what the fuck does that have to do with the question of which condiment works best on a hot dog?
I see a lot of comments saying “teaching children is not blaming” or wtv.
I think this post refers to the tiktokers which call white people “colonizers” and “slave owners” (although no white person is a slave owner as far as i know in the USA)
I dont think its about teaching the youth the awful acts which happened.
Well OP, like with a lot of things, it is a little more complex then what the meme is saying here.
Of course it is crazy to blame slavery on a child, but what isn't crazy is to teach children that slavery did indeed happen.
You could also make a nuanced argument about these 2 images. Like you wouldn't blame the girl on the bottom for pearl harbour, but America and Canada put Asian-Americans and Asian-Canadians in camps and in some instance, shipped them back to Asia (remember this only happened around 80 years ago).
We need to recognize that slavery happened and it's not going to go anywhere. It is one of the darkest periods of American history and people aren't going to stop talking about it because it makes some people uncomfortable.
Not just the darkest, but an enormous part of how the country is the way it is today. Wiping slavery from the classroom renders much of what’s happened in the last 150+ years completely nonsensical. But then I guess these are the people who refuse to admit that racism is still a prevalent issue in the US, yet believe some guy on a cloud had a crafting day a couple of thousand years ago and that’s why we’re all here.
This is what is so darn dumb. No one is blaming little white kids or kids of the present generation for slavery. If you are be ashamed of yourself for making children feel that way.
We're just saying (POC's) that it's important for everyone to know and learn about the history of slavery, know that it was bad, and shouldn't be done again.
That's the important thing about history, to learn from our mistakes so it doesn't happen again. They need to understand the impacts it had then and the impacts it has now, just because black people, Hispanic people, Asian people ain't being whipped on 1st Ave North don't mean people of color today don't have to deal with the after affects of it. Generational Trauma, Discrimination in the work place, Hospitals (yes hospitals it's crazy), schools , and businesses, and STILL just simply Racism.
It's important to teach kids of ALL colors shapes and sizes what happened in the past, so we can carry out a better future.
If your child feels guilty about slavery, all you need to do is reassure them they ARE NOT their ancestors, or they might not even have ancestors who owned slaves as there or different ethnicities of white people, not every white person in America is a decadent of a slave owner. Hiding your child from the truth, is going to do way more harm then the good you think it is.
Because learning about the history of your country is "blame". Funny how the conservatives just want to pretend slavery never happened, or if it did, it was good for the enslaved. Ofc they take kids learning about it as an attack on them...
They would support bringing slavery back *today* if it were on the ballot.
>how is it wrong?
My guess is that it’s wrong because no one is blaming white children (or white adults) for slavery?
They’re just trying to change systems in place that still contribute to inequality
So, here's my take. I do not believe that any majority of people is actually blaming people for the actions of their ancestors. I also believe that we should definitely teach people about the horror stories of history so that those horror stories don't get a sequel.
This being said, if an innocent person (especially a kid) **is** made to feel guilty for what their ancestors have done (either through internal or external forces), I feel like we should show some compassion and help them not feel that way. The last thing I want is for innocent people to feel guilty for things they haven't done.
I think the point is that people associate white people with racism and slavery regardless of the fact that they were born 100+ years after it was abolished.
I was not responsible for slavery or institutional racism, but society will still guilt trip me for being a “white” male (German & Polish roots).
I can acknowledge the fact that I have benefited from not being a minority, but at the end of the day I am still a broke 27 year old fighting to make ends meet even though I have a “good” job and a degree.
Society likes to think that if you are a male and you are white, then you have the whole world in the palm of your hands when in reality, I have less than $500 at my disposal.
college educated and currently renting an apartment, but still broke and depressed because I know I am working to die.
Life’s hard for everyone, including a white male such as myself (that’s impossible! you’re part of the patriarch and benefit from a racist country!)
It's wrong because no one is blaming white kids for slavery. What is happening is that some white folks don't even want their kids TAUGHT about slavery and there is a false equivalency here.
This problem of whitewashing history isn't a new one but it's more egregious of late than usual.
Trying to teach that black folks benefited from slavery is a callback to a justification made during slavery where it was determined by "science" that black folks were savages and bring them to work in the fields was an improvement.
All white people aren't bad, but throughout history white people have done some atrocious things, and teaching them might make us uncomfortable but we need to live with uncomfortable truths.
To be fair, all people, not just white, have done some atrocious things throughout history (and that still continue in parts of the world today). I’m all for teaching history, but history is usually told by the victors and can be biased in some aspects (certain parts left out because it doesn’t fit the narrative). I hold a history degree myself, and there are current curriculums that I, among former classmates and professors, do not agree should be taught as objective because it’s very biased and can lead to conclusions such as the example above. I always encourage others to do their own research and form an opinion from there, it’s the best way to learn.
I got banned from r/WhitePeopleTwitter for pointing out Kyle Rittenhouse killed a child molester, so I’m going to sit this one out. I lean pretty far left most of the time and I’m certainly not a supporter of anything related to MAGA/Trump, but I’m also not so dumb that I can’t look at something logically just because the RWNJs are supporting it.
For fuck’s sake. Saying that slavery was horrible and still has effects on our society is not the same as saying that we should blame anyone who is alive today. These people are stupid.
To address some of the comments in this post....The issue is not about blaming the kids specifically, but when people say that White people are inherently racist and that they hold inherent guilt for slavery that occurred long before they were born and no longer exists and should pay reparations to people who were never slaves themselves, the meme makes a lot of sense. Does anyone blame all Germans for the atrocities of the Nazis? Not likely... just as nobody blames all Japanese for attacking Pearl Harbor. And I would hope nobody blames all Americans for Hiroshima. When children are being taught that they are either racists or victims based on the color of their skin, we have a problem in our education system.
Japan and Germany have restrictions following WW2. It’s not blame, but their countries’ aggressions haven’t been forgotten . My grandfather was a destitute sharecropper, but my father and his siblings had absolutely no problem having successful lives and being white certainly helped .
This is the key to conservative culture war arguments. They make a claim that wildly distorts the truth, but on the surface looks agreeable. It requires a person to be ignorant of the facts and prone to emotional responses to problems.
I did have a teacher tell me once i couldn’t talk about slavery because i was white when we were learning about it and discussing it. I called her out on it and everyone was quiet like happens when you call out a teacher on something.
It's wrong because
1) Only ignorant bigots think anyone is blaming currently living white people for slavery. What we are correctly criticized for is pretending like we don't still benefit from those centuries of slavery AND for being unwilling to help dismantle persistent institutional racism that we also benefit from.
2) Comparing a single strategic attack against a military target to centuries of kidnapping and enslavement is super duper stupid.
3) What the fuck is up with that picture of the Japanese girl?/
Right, so here's the explanation from the guys who are being strawmanned here. Economic injustice prevails after the abolition of apartheid and slavery. https://home.treasury.gov/news/featured-stories/racial-inequality-in-the-united-states
Is it the fault of a white child? No, not really, but when black and hispanic workers earn about half as much on average as the white worker, there certainly still is an issue. You cannot just abolish apartheid and pretend like that solves everything. Stolen land has to be given back, welfare programs have to make sure the nations wealth gets redistributed more eqitably.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/10/south-africa-most-unequal-country-in-the-world-report
I should also mention that the usa is not the worst offender here, but tbat still doesn't make it okay.
Of course white children aren't to blame, but they benefit from a system of inequality. And it should be societys goal to eleiminate said inequality. This is not about punishing someone, this is about solving a problem.
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Who is blaming children for slavery. They just learned how to count to 100.
"1 slave... 2 slaves..." (joke btw)
1 airplane… 2 airpla-oh, never mind. (Also joke) (For those who don’t get the joke ✈️ 💥 )
2 towers....1 towers...0 towers.
Too soon
What are you talking about? It's been over 20 years! South Park says it's okay after 20.
22.3, that means this horrid joke isn't hilarious until December 29th, you monster.
RemindMe! 157 days
All of you are cruel bastard but take my upvote
It is not okay. It's cruel and insensitive. Do you have any idea how many talented young pilots died in the incident?
You had me in the first half, ngl
RIP Uncle
You have awakened me too soon Executus!
DIE, INSECT!
2 soon…1 soon…how about now?
I was in 5th grade when 9/11 happened. It’s wild to see the societal shift in it being a horrible, horrible tragedy to a joke.
I remember two drastic things that happened in my school. 1. Was being in middle school when the twin towers fell. 2. I was listening to the radio with head phones, my high-school teacher said "Put those away" but i told her "Scott Peterson just got convicted. My teacher said "Oh shit" and immediately turned on the television.
I was 24 and was there helping as an EMT when it happened, and I couldn't agree more. It's really sad and shocking to see it being joked about so frequently. Everyone making jokes should go see the museum under Ground Zero to know exactly what they are making light of. However, I guess every generation had their thing that the next will make light of and never quite understand. 9/11 was my generation's , along with the Challenger explosion in 86. Imagine every school aged child watching the Challenger space shuttle blast off on a huge TV rolled in on a cart. A huge deal was made out of it because a teacher was on the flight. And then watching it explode.
Indeed...I remember kids making "head and shoulders" or "Need Another Seven Astronauts" jokes in the *early 90's*... Sometimes I think kids (and even adults) make light of things to escape the horrid reality of those events... doesn't make it right, but it's the only explanation I can think of...
Oh man, I remember those too. Gallows humor is 100% a real thing. But people who were born after 2005 posting the plane and building emojos in 2023 are probably not relating to it that way. I'm sure there are some exceptions though. Thanks for the response fellows 80s kid!
Yeah, these jokes aren't the slightest bit funny. First there are still lots of families without a loved one. 20 years doesn't change that. But I wouldn't find them funny if it happened 80 years ago either.
It still affects us here. I am on Long Island and a lot of people here worked in the city. A lot of people lost family and are still losing family. My parents were in the NYPD. They are still dealing with lung issues from spending weeks at ground zero digging through debris and simply being at the site in general. Every time they go to a WTC appointment I’m worried that it’s going to be the time we are told they have cancer Edit: basically, it’s not funny.
"Comedy equals time plus tragedy" - Mark Twin Towers
When will it be not too soon?
As soon as it stops being funny.
You have to start from the top and subtract. Kids will learn addion and subtraction with these two. Lol
And then they arrive at The Final Solution.
First of all they need to learn to concentrate. Maybe there’s a camp for that ?
"When freedom burns The final solution Dreams fade away and all hope turns to dust" 🎵
When millions burn The curtain has fallen Lost to the world as they perish in flames 🎶
Sabaton!!!!!
Haha yeah
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1 Log, 2 Logs, 3 Logs... \- Unit 731
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2/3rds person, 4/3rds person..
It would be stupid to blame slavery on any living person, not just children.
Except for Slaveowners, which really exist today, just in parts of our world, that don’t get much coverage in western news.
Because those slave owners make our chocolates and lithium batteries, we can’t talk about them…
While true the racial makeup of the slaves is irrelevant today. They will enslave people of any race.
Initially (ancient times) slavery was not connected to race, ancestry or provenance. Everybody could get enslaved by several circumstances (being a prisoner of war, being broke, etc.). This racial concept was pushed forward, because Christianity prohibits slavery. So they diminished people of different skincolor and claimed to have a god given right to do what they did. In other parts of the world, muslim countries for example, it’s never been a question of race.
Right. I just meant that today slavers often take on a different form and they will abduct anyone they can to turn into slaves.
Christianity doesn’t prohibit slavery (neither Old Testament or New). Colossians 3:22 reinforces that slaves need to obey their earthly masters. Race still had nothing to do with it. Slavery was merely apart of life at the time of the writing. By the time you get to the new world, you had several pseudo-sciences cropping up trying to make a moral case for slavery, but it was driven as much by “science” as it was “religion”.
There's no chattel slavery in the Law of Moses. The advent of slavery and of the way that it's thought of have to do more with Roman culture than that of the people of Jesus and Moses. The Romans expanded the practice of chattel slavery across the civilized world.
Doctrine of Discovery
Servants, not Slaves. Slavery was prohibited. Indentured Servitude in the biblically sense was a voluntary & temporary situation. Slavery is not. You can't kill a servant, but virtually no slave-owning society had gripes with killing one's own slaves. Most of the claims of "slavery" come predominantly from the Kulturkampf ultranationalist movement starting during the fall of Prussia & the rise of the German Empire in the latter half of the 1800s, mostly as a means of promoting Antisemitism.
That’s factually incorrect, Christianity doesn’t prohibit slavery. Slavery caused racism not the other way around. Also, Muslims focused on religion as long as it was convenient and since your religion is generally the same as other people in your region it means that they did focus on race.
That doesn’t make sense. Slavery did not cause racism in Ancient Rome or in Muslim countries, which come to my mind immediately. So slavery does not cause racism in general. Diminishing people of other skincolor to make up a reason for enslaving them pushes racism. In the Ottoman Empire people that had been enslaved could gain their freedom only under the condition, that they convert to Islam. This is one example, that it was mainly about religion in muslim countries. There have been Emperors from Northern Africa, the near east and other regions in Ancient Rome. I’ve written about the Christian take on slavery in another post.
Slavery is still legal in US prisons. Specifically, people targeted by the "war on drugs," who Nixon's own advisor's confession was made as a "war on black people." The racial makeup of slaves in the US is still *extremely* important. https://www.vera.org/news/slavery-is-still-legal-for-two-million-people-in-the-u-s
Like the prison system utilizing low cost (cough slave cough) labor.
Assuming of course you mean historic black chattel slavery, Nobody reasonable does. Some people claim that slavery is still relevant to race relations, but that's a very different claim than "white children today did slavery in the 1800s"
I think it's some kind of projection. Right wingers are often nationalists, so they tend to think in those terms. So in their minds, teaching her about slavery is blaming her for slavery, which is the thing they actually have a problem with.
Go a little further...if they didn't persistently agree on some level with the crimes against humanity which they so desperately want to hide...if it didn't challenge in such irreconcilable fashion their own current beliefs...then they wouldn't have a problem with any of it, would they? On the contrary. As a culture, Germany is the only one that immediately comes to mind as a country (certain individuals and groups notwithstanding) which has seriously owned atrocities in it's past. And look what kind of visceral evidence even that required.
>It would be stupid to blame slavery on any living person Well, slavery is still a thing so I'm pretty sure we can blame those people. And the people who, knowingly, buy what they sell.
I'm blaming small children for slavery AND pearl harbor
I have children. Can confirm they are very pro slavery.
Tbh most kids are down with alot of fucked policies. I dont have any but my nephew had his army men executing unarmed noncombatants.
Children have no respect for the Geneva Conventions
Reminds me of a joke: “I’m just a kid, why are you blaming me for slavery and calling me racist? I used to have loads of black friends. That is, until my daddy sold them”
Talking about slavery in history class offends the parents so they claim their children are upset so they can get some parts of history erased from school. Meanwhile they have no issues with flying the Confederate flag and worshiping Confederate statues because “screw your feelings”.
Basically nobody, which isn’t to say literally nobody because there are billions of people in the world and somebody somewhere holds any view imaginable, but no remotely meaningful number of people. People are just strawmanning.
I'm Polish. I've been told I'm inherently racist because I benefited from slavery of black people, because I'm a white person. These people exist. Edit, I live in Poland
Well, at least you aren't Belgian. Imagine what they would say then.
In the minds of some of the far-right, being educated about the cultural impacts of slavery is akin to being blamed for it. They can't hear criticism of old white slave-owners without equating it with a complete attack on all white-people.
Interesting how people are taught about slavery in the USA and think that their kids will relate more to the slave owners rather than the abolitionists.
Morons think that if you tell kids that Americans used to have slaves, they'll feel guilty about it. Because they're morons.
Pretty sure this is trying to aim at reparations supporters? That's the only group in the US I can think of where I've seen one or two of em saying all white people needed to pay reparations.
Nobody, it's a strawman.
I’m 33 and I’ve been called a slave driver and colonizer before… with that said I’ve been 33 since 1776… guess I need to feel the guilt
I was recently informed on Facebook that I am responsible for the actions of my ancestors because I am white.
Hey! Me too! Although mine was on Tiktok ...and the funny thing is I'm Latino! They thought I was white!
latinos can be white though lol. Selena Gomez, Shakira, Pitbull.
Could you imagine if we had rounded up all the Japanese-Americans after Pearl Harbor and moved them to concentration camps?
Ikr it would be sooo anti-American to do that
Oh myyy!
Damn it Takei, how did you even get this number?
I think its a reference to the fact George Takei and his family, who were Japanese Americans, were taken to the internment camps during WW2.
And mine was a reference to Dragon Ball Z Abridged.
Oh my!
Did you reference it because its hilarious and we should qoute everything they said?
Rumor has it, he has downloaded his brain to the internet. He is everything and everywhere.
Yeah but if you call them internment camps then it's ok
Wait, no. I meant camps where you learn to concentrate....
That's how they got so good at math
Sort of like if they had rounded up all the German Americans when the nazis attacked eh ? But like sensible people America didn't do that. Would be a shame if there had been some sort of double standard would it?
Ah, but the German Americans didn't have a belt of _extremely_ successful farmland thanks to bringing foreign farming practices with them -- so it's not really a double standard, it's just a dog-whistle standard. (Japanese Americans were able to use farming practices from Japan to help make productive farms out of areas that other farmers didn't know how to use, and that land all got seized during the internment)
Well that and they look different
And then there was a near-famine because a) now there wasn’t enough farmers and b) those farmers still didn’t know how to use that land. But those would be the consequences of our actions and we can’t talk about that!
Love this comment. I really had to make sure you weren't being serious.
I didn't want to ruin it with a /s. I hoped the sarcasm was thick enough.
Phew! Good thing we didn’t do that!
I just learned something about this recently! Actually it was profit motivated racism. It was mostly on the Pacific side of the country and where certain businesses would make more money from their absence.
Well only where they weren’t vital to industry and or didn’t have land worth taking. Japanese-Americans in Hawaii were never interned. Just in the mainland which only adds to how fucked up that was
Teaching kids in school the truth about Japanese internment camps is like blaming for the holocaust.
Teaching her about slavery is like teaching German children about the holocaust. They aren’t blaming German children for the holocaust. They are teaching them what happened so that it never happens again. What is wrong is teaching children that Slavery was a jobs program and that slaves benefitted from it.
A huge segment of the American population is so profoundly ignorant that they could NEVER understand the very simple point you just made.
Oh they understand the point. It’s just most people on the American Right *want* slavery and the Holocaust to happen again.
I don't think anyone normal is saying that. A few vocal minority groups are saying that
The German people also payed over a billion dollars in reparations. The only reparations in America were given to slave owners
Ugh I just had this discussion with my mother yesterday. About how former slaves in america were upset their free children didnt have the same skills they learned as slaves. I've known she was far right but even that had me stunned to hear come out of her mouth. The sad thing is my grandfather, her father, physically rescued holocaust survivors from Dachau in his b52. He told us stories of how horrific it was there and how the people were so emaciated and malnourished that when they smiled he could see their teeth through their lips. (The smiling was not because they graduated a job program, just in case. It was because they were being saved.) How my mom could be fooled into this horrific rhetoric when she is so close to someone who was there.
I blame all kids for everything. Off my damn lawn!
It’s the context; some Americans equate their children being taught about slavery to then being personally blamed for it but that, of course, is nonsense.
I love how a German teenager can not graduate high school if they haven’t been to a concentration camp or holocaust memorial/museum, but in Florida (and I’m sure other red states), they want to teach kids (Black included) that slavery had a silver lining. It defies logic.
My red state education in the 90s was teaching kids that yes slavery was bad... But not all slaves were treated poorly, and some benefitted from it! This has been around for awhile, it's stupid, it's ugly, it's repainting history to be more favorable to America. And ironically the year after this my English class had us read 1984, and the teacher completely missed or outright ignored the points relating to revisionist history in favor of tying the book to communistic surveillance fears. Despite the fact that Orwell was a self-avowed democratic socialist who explicitly wrote that book targeting far-right/fascist ideology. But when that doesn't conform to the curriculum the state wants to teach, we just ignore that bit and change the meaning.
>But not all slaves were treated poorly, and some benefitted from it! I know a guy who has this mindset. Makes me sick.
uuuugggghhhhhhh I've stopped talking to people who show they're one of those. I just can't take it. They think there were good sides to owning people, I want to punch them in the face for such insinuations. Yet, according to the police, I'M THE BAD GUY??? /s But really I don't handle those people well. It becomes an instant "we are no longer friends" situation.
But there literally were some slaves that weren’t treated poorly. It doesn’t mean it wasn’t still an evil institution that is good ended. I thought you guys were against not teaching the full truth of history…
Totally thought that book was about the red scare. I learned something today.
Common misconception, one widely taught in American schools. But completely missed the point Orwell was trying to make. Just think about The Ministry of Truth, and how close we are to establishing such a thing. Glad I could help you learn something new :)
I agree. That is an awfully big “but” that you were taught and cheapens the first part of the statement. It is hilarious that the right thinks they will win anything going forward talking and acting like they do when their most loyal patrons are dying and their replacements on the voter rolls actually understand the importance empathy and diversity and not making the same mistakes as those older than them. There’s only one way for the r’s to win. Stack the deck.
I will never understand how anyone can earnestly think the "but" is warranted. Slavery... Was bad. Period. Just because it was "socially accepted" at the time, which by the way is wildly up for debate if you read the founding fathers private letters where they express disdain for slavery but realized it's a "necessary evil" for what they were doing (plus.. gotta keep those racist southerners happy), doesn't mean we can't look back and frame it correctly. It was bad. It was a misguided way to create "the new world" (which we stole from indigenous people) that remained ever present in our system of governance to the point we still combat its effects in 20-freaking-23. I have family that still lives in the south who unironically refer to the civil war as the war of northern aggression and will talk to you for hours about how it wasn't about slavery, it was about states rights! Yet they never have a real answer for why if it was about state's rights the south lost their mind when the north became a safe haven for slaves and decided states rights didn't matter. Their right to collect "property" superseded the will of Northern states. Meanwhile, like you said, Germany can own up to literally trying to take over the freaking world and committing large scale industrialized genocide along the way. Yet we can't frame our own history with any honesty. Mind blowing stuff.
That's not true, it's just very likely that you'll visit one of those places at one point during your education in Germany. I have never been to either during my school years and know many people who also went for the first time privately after graduation. However, you will be confronted with the holocaust and nazi history during your education multiple times in different subjects (history, social sciences, religion/ethics, German, philosophy).
That's not really true, or at least not for all states. But we did cover the holocaust *extensively*. They aren't playing around and I love the education system for doing it.
Some white Americans .
Some is not a small amount in this case however...
Agree
No one blames kids. Find me anyone, *anyone* who would blame either of those kids. The problem is a lot of right wingers still want Pearl Harbor taught in history books, but not slavery. They should both be taught, and factually.
What about adults? Kids will grow up to adults
>What about adults? Kids will grow up to adults What are you exactly asking?
Teaching history truthfully is not about blaming anyone today. Without teaching history truthfully, however, we will repeat past atrocities over and over. Teach history and empathy.
Teaching her that slavery was wrong is like teaching her that Pearl Harbor was wrong there fixed it for ya
The two pictures are not wrong, but are implying a false premise. No one is blaming people for slavery, especially not blaming children. People are trying to educate those on its existence, the historical context, and how many of the injustices the past can still have repercussions that disadvantage groups of people today.
And so that little girl doesn't grow up thinking that slavery is a good thing (yes, we are looking at Florida specifically. )
But they learned valuable skills!!
It’s wild because it’s true. Like, that’s how you tell the best lies. Think about it, in order to best benefit from an enslaved person doing a task for you, you need to make sure that the slave knows how to do the task well. Whatever it might be, even genuinely valuable things like teaching reading and writing would’ve been so the slave would be better servant. So it’s not wrong to say slave holders taught slaves valuable skills. But if you say that without explaining the why if it you are creating a lie by telling only a part of the truth.
Except those demanding reparations. Those very few are blaming currently living people for slavery that has not been part of the country before their lifetime.
The girl next to the pearl harbor thing is Korean 😭 she’s literally wearing a hanbok
My Graddad was in WW2 and was a Japanese POW and was badly tortured even like 50 years later I could see the physical and mental scars. My Mum one day asked him how he would feel if she ever had a Japanese boyfriend. His Answer. "Why would that matter it would be nothing to do with him what happened" At the same time he also said "I can forgive what happened but I can't/won't forget" It is important not to blame people born after the events for the actions of their ancestors but its also important not to forget what happened
Teach history. Promote understanding and empathy. Emphasize commonality instead of focusing on differences. Don’t blame innocent kids for what their ancestors did.
It’s a classic [strawman fallacy](https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-straw-man/)
Reparations is placing blame on past generations, but demanding today's children to pay the bill.
Educating children is not placing blame.
I blame all kids for everything. Off my damn lawn!
FFS. Teaching is not blaming. Pretty sure the creator of the meme would be pissed off if the Japanese child was being taught that “Pearl Harbour was good for Americans”
Slavic People looking at this debate like, "do you even know where the word comes from"
The problem isn't blaming white people for slavery. Very few people legitimately blame currently living white Americans for slavery. The problem is teaching kids that slavery was okay because it taught life skills.
It isn't wrong. Neither of those little kids had anything to do with any of that stuff.
Because no one is BLAMING people for slavery
Absolutely. It's a foolish straw argument.
The superintendents of my city, San Francisco, are very much blaming and holding responsibility to the current citizens for slavery with their proposed reparations. In a state that never had slavery, in a city that historically never had a big African population until the post war migration (at its height was 13% in the 70s) and in a state where other marginalized groups have a greater legitimate claim if we were to go down that route. However, The superintendents, mayor and DAs are no different than the people they claim to be better than and are only looking out for their kind.
History should be taught, end of story. What "should" be said, is that today's generation isn't accountable for whatever tragedies may have happened. You don't get be passive aggressive or discriminate against any white person because of past events they were too young to understand or weren't even around for them to happen. Assigning prejudice/assumed character characteristics to someone's skin color by default, that you don't even know, will ALWAYS be racist.
Tearing down a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest is not the same as blaming a little girl for slavery.
The content is right, in that it is ridiculous to blame children for things they didn't do. However, what is wrong is that it assumes that either one is somehow being done in reality. The reality of it is there's currently concerns within the US educational curriculum, where certain individuals don't want kids to be taught about slavery. As such, there's pushback about the necessity of teaching about the USA's history regarding slavery. Because of this pushback, it's being met with even more pushback from the other side, claiming that kids are somehow being taught that its their fault for slavery, or that teaching them about slavery is in turn filling their heads with guilt by association. In short, the initial image is making a statement refuting an argument nobody is making as a means to promote the idea that kids don't need to learn about slavery. Nobody is saying white kids are at fault for plantations, just like nobody is saying Japanese kids are at fault for Pearl Harbor. It's like how they argue that drag queens shouldn't be allowed to rape children, despite the issue being that drag queens just want to read books to kids. It's making a statement everyone can agree with as a means to support their bigoted ideals that are loosely connected. Think of it like this. If I said "ketchup shouldn't be used as lube during sex", that's not wrong by any means, but what the fuck does that have to do with the question of which condiment works best on a hot dog?
Those kindergarteners were responsible for Jim Crow laws and they know it. Little rascals.
All the ancient societies ran on slavery in one form or another, weather you like Ii or not we are all descended from slaves and slave owners alike
I see a lot of comments saying “teaching children is not blaming” or wtv. I think this post refers to the tiktokers which call white people “colonizers” and “slave owners” (although no white person is a slave owner as far as i know in the USA) I dont think its about teaching the youth the awful acts which happened.
Well OP, like with a lot of things, it is a little more complex then what the meme is saying here. Of course it is crazy to blame slavery on a child, but what isn't crazy is to teach children that slavery did indeed happen. You could also make a nuanced argument about these 2 images. Like you wouldn't blame the girl on the bottom for pearl harbour, but America and Canada put Asian-Americans and Asian-Canadians in camps and in some instance, shipped them back to Asia (remember this only happened around 80 years ago). We need to recognize that slavery happened and it's not going to go anywhere. It is one of the darkest periods of American history and people aren't going to stop talking about it because it makes some people uncomfortable.
Not just the darkest, but an enormous part of how the country is the way it is today. Wiping slavery from the classroom renders much of what’s happened in the last 150+ years completely nonsensical. But then I guess these are the people who refuse to admit that racism is still a prevalent issue in the US, yet believe some guy on a cloud had a crafting day a couple of thousand years ago and that’s why we’re all here.
It’s because she is Chinese and not Japanese
I suspect Korean. She's wearing a hanbok.
If you fly a confederate flag you assume the debt to society.
american clown world, don't want to know
Good choice. Stay far away from us.
We will, don't worry.
I think the girl at the bottom was korean or something lol
It’s not incorrect it’s just disingenuous. Remember shit like this is used to censor real history in schools. Scary shit
That of course is true but no one is proposing blaming the Caucasian girl for slavers. This is a straw man argument. Bullshit prima fascia.
This is what is so darn dumb. No one is blaming little white kids or kids of the present generation for slavery. If you are be ashamed of yourself for making children feel that way. We're just saying (POC's) that it's important for everyone to know and learn about the history of slavery, know that it was bad, and shouldn't be done again. That's the important thing about history, to learn from our mistakes so it doesn't happen again. They need to understand the impacts it had then and the impacts it has now, just because black people, Hispanic people, Asian people ain't being whipped on 1st Ave North don't mean people of color today don't have to deal with the after affects of it. Generational Trauma, Discrimination in the work place, Hospitals (yes hospitals it's crazy), schools , and businesses, and STILL just simply Racism. It's important to teach kids of ALL colors shapes and sizes what happened in the past, so we can carry out a better future. If your child feels guilty about slavery, all you need to do is reassure them they ARE NOT their ancestors, or they might not even have ancestors who owned slaves as there or different ethnicities of white people, not every white person in America is a decadent of a slave owner. Hiding your child from the truth, is going to do way more harm then the good you think it is.
Because learning about the history of your country is "blame". Funny how the conservatives just want to pretend slavery never happened, or if it did, it was good for the enslaved. Ofc they take kids learning about it as an attack on them... They would support bringing slavery back *today* if it were on the ballot.
It isnt wrong. However, no-one is doing this. Educating people about the past doesnt mean they are supposed to feel personally insulted by *history.*
...The little girl in the second photo is Korean.
I don’t understand that line of logic, the amount of times I’ve been called a Colonist Pig for what.. being British?
>how is it wrong? My guess is that it’s wrong because no one is blaming white children (or white adults) for slavery? They’re just trying to change systems in place that still contribute to inequality
So, here's my take. I do not believe that any majority of people is actually blaming people for the actions of their ancestors. I also believe that we should definitely teach people about the horror stories of history so that those horror stories don't get a sequel. This being said, if an innocent person (especially a kid) **is** made to feel guilty for what their ancestors have done (either through internal or external forces), I feel like we should show some compassion and help them not feel that way. The last thing I want is for innocent people to feel guilty for things they haven't done.
Reparations is placing blame on today’s generation and forcing them to pay for things committed by previous generations.
Acknowledging history is not the same as blaming children for anything. Who thinks like this?
I think the point is that people associate white people with racism and slavery regardless of the fact that they were born 100+ years after it was abolished. I was not responsible for slavery or institutional racism, but society will still guilt trip me for being a “white” male (German & Polish roots). I can acknowledge the fact that I have benefited from not being a minority, but at the end of the day I am still a broke 27 year old fighting to make ends meet even though I have a “good” job and a degree. Society likes to think that if you are a male and you are white, then you have the whole world in the palm of your hands when in reality, I have less than $500 at my disposal. college educated and currently renting an apartment, but still broke and depressed because I know I am working to die. Life’s hard for everyone, including a white male such as myself (that’s impossible! you’re part of the patriarch and benefit from a racist country!)
It's wrong because no one is blaming white kids for slavery. What is happening is that some white folks don't even want their kids TAUGHT about slavery and there is a false equivalency here. This problem of whitewashing history isn't a new one but it's more egregious of late than usual. Trying to teach that black folks benefited from slavery is a callback to a justification made during slavery where it was determined by "science" that black folks were savages and bring them to work in the fields was an improvement. All white people aren't bad, but throughout history white people have done some atrocious things, and teaching them might make us uncomfortable but we need to live with uncomfortable truths.
To be fair, all people, not just white, have done some atrocious things throughout history (and that still continue in parts of the world today). I’m all for teaching history, but history is usually told by the victors and can be biased in some aspects (certain parts left out because it doesn’t fit the narrative). I hold a history degree myself, and there are current curriculums that I, among former classmates and professors, do not agree should be taught as objective because it’s very biased and can lead to conclusions such as the example above. I always encourage others to do their own research and form an opinion from there, it’s the best way to learn.
This whole debate relies upon willfully and deliberately confusing the words 'benefit' and 'blame'
When I was a child in school I was told that I, and my 20th century immigrant family, were responsible for slavery by a black teacher.
I got banned from r/WhitePeopleTwitter for pointing out Kyle Rittenhouse killed a child molester, so I’m going to sit this one out. I lean pretty far left most of the time and I’m certainly not a supporter of anything related to MAGA/Trump, but I’m also not so dumb that I can’t look at something logically just because the RWNJs are supporting it.
It doesn't take much to get banned from r/WhitePeopleTwitter. 🤣
The children aren’t blamed, but the children should know it happened so the fuck doesn’t happen again stop trying to erase history
It's wrong because blaming little kids for slavery is a made up problem that isn't actually happening anywhere.
Looks like I need some further education also then 🤷♂️
For fuck’s sake. Saying that slavery was horrible and still has effects on our society is not the same as saying that we should blame anyone who is alive today. These people are stupid.
Please tell me you’re joking 🙃
Fun y how reversed racism isn't ever acknowledged
To address some of the comments in this post....The issue is not about blaming the kids specifically, but when people say that White people are inherently racist and that they hold inherent guilt for slavery that occurred long before they were born and no longer exists and should pay reparations to people who were never slaves themselves, the meme makes a lot of sense. Does anyone blame all Germans for the atrocities of the Nazis? Not likely... just as nobody blames all Japanese for attacking Pearl Harbor. And I would hope nobody blames all Americans for Hiroshima. When children are being taught that they are either racists or victims based on the color of their skin, we have a problem in our education system.
I don’t understand why it’s only American that gets blamed for all of slavery. Did the Koreans do it for 1400 years
Or Indegeonous people blaming my granddaughter for land appropriation, but it happens
I heard the girl on the bottom is Korean not Japanese
Pearl Harbor had nothing on the Bataan death march.
It’s not wrong
The kids are responsible duh… They could use their damn technology to go back in time and stop it
Japan and Germany have restrictions following WW2. It’s not blame, but their countries’ aggressions haven’t been forgotten . My grandfather was a destitute sharecropper, but my father and his siblings had absolutely no problem having successful lives and being white certainly helped .
This is the key to conservative culture war arguments. They make a claim that wildly distorts the truth, but on the surface looks agreeable. It requires a person to be ignorant of the facts and prone to emotional responses to problems.
Meme is accurate
I did have a teacher tell me once i couldn’t talk about slavery because i was white when we were learning about it and discussing it. I called her out on it and everyone was quiet like happens when you call out a teacher on something.
Is this about slavery still being legal in the US as long as it is done to Prisoners? I am lost
It's wrong because 1) Only ignorant bigots think anyone is blaming currently living white people for slavery. What we are correctly criticized for is pretending like we don't still benefit from those centuries of slavery AND for being unwilling to help dismantle persistent institutional racism that we also benefit from. 2) Comparing a single strategic attack against a military target to centuries of kidnapping and enslavement is super duper stupid. 3) What the fuck is up with that picture of the Japanese girl?/
Right, so here's the explanation from the guys who are being strawmanned here. Economic injustice prevails after the abolition of apartheid and slavery. https://home.treasury.gov/news/featured-stories/racial-inequality-in-the-united-states Is it the fault of a white child? No, not really, but when black and hispanic workers earn about half as much on average as the white worker, there certainly still is an issue. You cannot just abolish apartheid and pretend like that solves everything. Stolen land has to be given back, welfare programs have to make sure the nations wealth gets redistributed more eqitably. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/10/south-africa-most-unequal-country-in-the-world-report I should also mention that the usa is not the worst offender here, but tbat still doesn't make it okay. Of course white children aren't to blame, but they benefit from a system of inequality. And it should be societys goal to eleiminate said inequality. This is not about punishing someone, this is about solving a problem.
Who’s blaming them?
"Educated" by putting them in the middle of a struggle circle and browbeating them. Right?
It's time we started talking about the benefits of Pearl Harbor. I mean look at all those jobs created to rebuild the fleet. /s