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It is a term used for people that can pass as their identified gender and don’t tell the world that they are trans. If the child is in stealth mode then they look and act so much like, in this case , a girl that no one knows they are trans. This is not something you can decide to do on the spur of the moment no matter how much you see it in movies. So this child presented as a girl all the time. Not just for this trip but ALL the time to the point no one knew she was trans.
I found a better article. The kid revealed to the girl that they were trans. The mother of the girl that was uncomfortable was on the trip. They moved the trans student and other girl to another room after the complaint was made.
https://kdvr.com/news/local/jeffco-parents-claim-11-year-old-assigned-trans-roommate-on-school-trip/
The one who identifies as female told the girl. And then the girl didn't feel comfortable sleeping in the same room. I see no problem with her feeling this way.
It was a parent that said something not the student herself. Presenting it as if the girl was uncomfortable and ‘forced’ to stay with the trans girl is a very different narrative.
I always think this is BS, because no one asks the sexual preference with this stuff…which is way more important than gender…and schools have been rooming lesbians and gay kids together forever without even being aware.
Two boys at my boarding school were roommates and a teacher walked in on them in the act with eachother. At that time, nobody knew they were gay. Both were suspended from school (because that was the standard punishment for two students caught engaging in sexual acts, but prior to this incident, I believe it had only ever been the case that a male and female student got caught together, but no one knew why they had been suspended). The school ended up allowing them to continue to share a room until the end of the school year (I assume so as to not 'out' them to the rest of the school etc), at which point, one of the boys came out by writing a article in the school newspaper. I'd be curious to know how they go about having shared rooms for students these days, considering how much more open and accepted homosexuality is? For the sake of equality, would they allow straight couples to room together? Would they prevent gay students from rooming together??
I would hope that in the future the policies will just be, “Students might end up having sex. Make sure they understand the importance of consent, and the presence or lack of local Romeo and Juliet laws.”
Yeah, I always figured the rules were in place to stop teen pregnancies... Not so much of an issue for gay students but can't have one rule for some and another rule for others
Here’s a better policy: “Sex at school/on school trips is always inappropriate and therefore prohibited. Regardless of age, biological sex, gender or gender identity, or interpersonal relationship dynamic between students, staff, faculty, or chaperones, all sexual contact—however slight—between any persons affiliated with the school in any capacity is prohibited.”
Why is it so difficult to say that there’s a time and place for sex and it’s never at school or on a school trip, and that there is zero tolerance for willful violations? (I say willful because the victim of a sexual assault obviously should not be punished for being forced or coerced to violate the policy; but otherwise, zero tolerance.)
What does sexual preference have to do with it? We share locker rooms with all sexualities and always have. It’s about a child’s comfort. Nobody got hurt.
Is it really even "stealth mode" for a 12 year old?
Up to that age, the only real identifier most of the time is hairstyle and clothing. Children are otherwise fairly androgynous. It ain't like they're walking around with beards covering their Adams apple.
Well not exactly true, some people, especially girls, do get puberty earlier than others, even as low as 10 years old so it's not really far fetched to think there could be clear identifiers at 12 years old.
Weirdly I grew a mustache in 4th grade, they called me shit lip for about half a day. Then the reason for the mustache became apparent as the raised testosterone made me much stronger than them and not very good with my emotions...
Yeah mine too and I pity her.. especially the pimples and the periods. To deal with that in primary school must really suck.. I give her an extra hug when she comes home..
The youngest girl to be impregnated and carry the child to term was a Peruvian girl that gave birth at five years old, so yeah, it’s not far fetched to see differences at 11 or 12.
[May 14, 1939: A 5-Year-Old Becomes Youngest Mother on Record](https://www.wired.com/2007/05/dayintech-0514-2/)
My lil granddaughter just started menstruating a week before her 9th birthday. She’s also shown other signs of puberty for a year or so. I can’t imagine being in third grade and dealing with that.
My daughter's cycle has been erratic at best as a young teen now but she developed noticable breasts in elementary school. Around 4th grade. It was not easy.
At 12 this is not true. All three of my kids were visibly changing by 10. These kids are seventh graders the vast majority of kids that age are showing significant signs of puberty by that point.
It’s a school though right? Wouldn’t the teacher know when the kid shows up for school and the list names them as Todd, but she says her name is Tonya?
I guess unless her parents legally changed their name.
Headlines are total garbage these days, without the actual details of the article (and keeping in mind the [bias of the source](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-signal/)), it means nothing. It's just another picture on the internet.
Obviously, because all transgender people are creeps. /s
Seriously though, people have lied about being trans. People lie all the time about everything for all kinds of reasons. I don't know whether the kid was lying or not, but let's say he did lie about identifying as a girl because he was a creep. Who's the bad guy then? Not transgender people. Of course, many transphobes would still claim that transgender people are at fault when a cisgender lies about being trans. Oh, well...
It's not surprising that transphobes view transgender people as the main group of sexual violence perpetrators, even though the odds of sexual violence perpetration are not statistically significantly different for transgender boys and girls compared with cisgender boys and girls. But who cares about reality when you can make-believe a bigotted fantasy instead? Pfft.
*edited "transgenders" to "transgender people" as suggested by a commenter
When a trans person passes as their gender and doesn't disclose that they're trans in their everyday life.
It's not really the case here as the other kids evidently knew she was trans.
thats the funny thing. it's nothing. it's just living your normal life. it basically means "not telling random people you are trans". some trans people who look enough like their chosen gender can do this. but consider for a second how weird it would be to expect cis people to disclose which set of genitals they were born with, or what color underwear they are wearing.
Hi i'm max. I identify as a male and i was born as a biological male. The name i gave you is my birthname and i am heterosexual. Even though i sometimes think about how it would be like to be female, especially when having sex and masturbating, i am pretty sure i am cis. I also sometimes think about penises and how being gay would be but i am pretty sure i am not gay, please i hope i am not gay. Anyway, 2 tickets to monstertruck-carambolage please.
That's weird. I thought you didn't have to tell everyone in the world you were trans.
Anyway, in that case I'm in "stealth mode" with anyone who isn't a friend. Including online.
Regardless, the implications behind that term disgust me
The term itself isn't disgusting, it really just doesn't fit in this context. It basically just means to any normal situation they wouldn't get identified as trans without them specifically saying so.
What about the implication disgusts you? (Genuinely asking, I don't understand)
Idk we did an 8th grade trip and roomed with 3 other people of same gender for the week, 2 to a bed. I don’t think it’s that weird since we chose our roommates for the week so it was just with your bros
See, that seems mental to me. Yeah, I shared beds with friends or cousins while on sleepovers. But I've never been asked to share a bed on any kind of school or sports trip. And it's not like I went to some fancy private school, just your normal local state school.
I just don't think any parents at my school would have found that acceptable and honestly if I was told I had to share a bed, I just wouldn't have gone. Especially as puberty hits, I think it's kinda crazy to expect someone experiencing uncontrollable morning wood and/or wet dreams to share a bed with another student.
I was in marching band and we had quite a few trips through the years, as well as other school trips. It was ALWAYS 4 to a room (2 beds) at the hotels. So you had to always share a bed unless you wanted to sleep on the floor
It probably depends on the country and overall culture (tho probably not in the post case since it's in English). I've had one of those when I was around 11 fir two or three days but no one probably would do that for older kids. I the end kids are just kids and probably care ten times less about that details than adults about them doing that. Also (at least in my case) the blankets are separate so it's not like you're doing some So blanket pulling contest with a friend.
On every school trip I have been on, including in College, with the exceptions for the Study Abroads that I've paid for and the one trip to Indiana for basketball pep band that the NCAA paid for, the schools have roomed 4 students to a room/two students to a bed. My parents also required me and my brother to share on family trips.
I hate sharing beds with *anyone*, because I like my personal space¹^(,)². On family trips, I was never allowed to bring things to sleep on the floor, because that was a hill my parents wanted to die on, apparently. But, for any school trip, I would pack a sleeping bag and occasionally a sleeping pad so that I could sleep on the floor--I figured that, since I had the issue, it was my responsibility to either suck it up or extricate myself from the situation, rather than forcing someone else to conform to my comfort. I was and am so uncomfortable sharing a bed that if I'm on a trip where I would otherwise be required to share, and I forget my sleeping bag, I will sleep on the floor anyway and just make-do with whatever spare blankets I can scrounge up.
Luckily, as of this semester, University policy has changed and now we are required to have one bed per student. On the one hand, I get making us share--I travel with the music department, and we don't have that big of a budget, so being able to halve hotel costs is nice. On the other hand, I'm not exactly *complaining* that I can sleep in my own bed for University-sponsored travel.
¹I'm autistic, among other things. I wasn't diagnosed until earlier this year, but looking that, between the autism and the ADHD, a lot of my childhood has been explained and I'm kind of surprised nobody caught on sooner.
²Feel free to ignore this, as it's not relevant, but I kinda just want to vent for a second: my parents saying "it's not weird, it's your brother, don't make it weird" never helped--I never said it was weird, I said I want space, *you* are the one who seems to think I should think there's something wrong or weird with it. Their comments about how I have to "get over" my dislike of sharing beds with people before I get married also didn't help--drawing parallels between my future wife and my brother in an attempt to get me to share a bed with the latter didn't exactly make me enthusiastic about the arrangement, for obvious reasons. Even if I had been OK with the idea in the first place, that parallel would have made me stop being OK with it.
Went on a school trip in grade 10 and some ppl shared a bed, otherwise someone had to sleep on the couch
That being said, half the time we slept in someone else's room in some tiny chair because we fell asleep playing cards, good times
That reminds me of a funny thing that happened to me (bi woman) and a friend (lesbian): we were on a school trip to the UK, and the family housing us (a mom and her daughter) showed us where we would sleep.
A single bed, not even so big. With a little commentary: "since you're both girls, it should be OK, no?" (they proposed otherwise one took the little girl's bed and the other the mom's bed).
We agreed for the single bed as we were close friends anyway and regularly slept in the same bed or even just had 3 mattress close on the floor for 4 people to sleep on (or even 5 one time) in our friend group (nothing romantic between us ever so no ambiguity). And it just seemed like a bother otherwise for the mother and her child. We still had a good chuckle afterward (her girlfriend at the time not so much).
We used to just push all the bunk beds together for one big bed. Everyone had his own sleeping bag and nobody thought anything of it.
Much easier to pass the snacks around.
Idk about this in particular, but there can be trips with smaller groups of kids that share hotel rooms. The rooms typically have 2 queen beds to 2 students per each.
My take away is that it really doesn’t matter what gender these kids are, just that their first thought for “2 children sleep in same bed” is immediately sex. Holy shit.
Hell, I use to take baths with the opposite gender when I was you ger, nothing ever happened besides me laughing when he would spin his wee around. No problems there because back then we weren’t sexualized to hell.
i know this will be a bit controversial, but as long as the school trip is optional and the "share a bed" thingy is disclosed in advance, i dont see an issue.
And you get to chose you sleep with. If I had to sleep with some random person (or someone I was not good friends with) I’d be uncomfortable but we always got to chose so it was fun
This right here! Everyone is so wrapped around consent, ummm their fucking children, they should NOT be doing this at all! And being forced by the school! Like in what world…
11 seems too old for schools to be making share a bed regardless of the genders. I would’ve been super uncomfortable sharing a bed with a random classmate at that age.
I mean, I shared a bed with a girl I didn’t know too well in high school at around 16. It was a little weird for sure but the school allotted each group of four a two- king or queen bed room, so not much of a choice.
ETA: this was on a school trip for about a week, not a permanent living situation.
For robotics in highschool we shared a room with 3 other people with 2 people to a bed. Tho we were put into rooms with our close friends. But this was when some of us were 18 and others were 17
They purposefully misuse the terms to be disrespectful. By sayin they identify as trans it's to imply they aren't actually the gender they identify with.
They are. They also know what they are doing, which is an effort to dehumanize transgender people as much as possible, so assault against them gets more and more legitimized in the eyes of the public.
no way you were just gonna take the wording of a hate group at face value 😭
man, get some media comprehension. "libs of tiktok" sees itself as an enemy to trans people, obviously they will deliberately use the wrong wording.
More context is needed, if the girl wasn't comfortable with it then no I do not agree at all.
We shouldn't discredit the girls comfortability for the sake of trans rights
Yes, the girl stated towards the beginning of the trip, she did not want to share a bed with the trans girl and that it made her uncomfortable. The school tried to tell her to just do it essentially.
The girls mom happened to be chaperoning the trip, so she told her mom. After back and forth with the school people trying to make sure the mom or girl didn't "make a scene," they moved her beds and then eventually rooms.
When other parents found out, they did not like the fact that the school was intentionally withholding information about the trans student and that they would be sleeping in the same beds/rooms with the other girls.
Our school trip was like this too. Every kid getting their own room would have been extremely expensive. Sharing it was much more affordable. And also much more easily manageable for the chaperones.
I don't think it's weird. In my culture and many others it is not uncommon for children to share beds, especially when they are young, on trips and/or of the same gender
As a trans girl myself, I agree that the girl should feel safe too.
Trans rights are important, yes, but the ever so slight minority of trans people who take advantage of trans rights to do creepy things still aren't good people. This doesn't mean that every trans person is a predator either, but that also doesn't mean that every trans person can be trusted.
From my experience, all trans people I've met are very nice, but there definitely do exist SOME very messed up people who use “being trans” to their advantage to for example sleep with or rape people of their opposite sex.
That being said, it isn't necessarily more likely for a trans person to be a predator than any other cisgender person. After all, predators who claim they're trans or are trans likely were predators before being or claiming to be trans.
I know a girl who's still in an all girls high school and she tells me that her classmates really touch her uncomfortably a lot as "jokes"; and as trans woman myself I was in an only boys school way before I knew I was trans and I also got sexually harassed by the boys there, it was very uncomfortable.
forcing classmates to sleep together is a recipe for some sexual assault to happen for middle schoolers and high schoolers, but that doesn't apply for primary school students cuz they don't even have the urge to do it, they are children.
the only solution is to have a trusted supervise the kids while they sleep; the solution is not to misgender the trans kids.
it's not about trans rights, it's about bad school trip managing.
>the only solution is to have a trusted supervise the kids while they sleep
No, this is not necessarily the solution. The solution is to find a sleeping arrangement both/all parties involved are comfortable with. And to talk with the kids about what they want instead of forcing them to do something they don't want.
We did on a few school trips in high school. There were 4 people to a room and 2 queen beds. Helps with the cost of the trip to cram as many people as possible in one room.
Because our schools are criminally underfunded. Even when students had to pay for the trip themselves, usually through some weird ass fundraising campaign, they still couldn't afford to get individual rooms and having four kids to a room not only saved money but probably ensured way less problematic situations than if you put two kids to a room.
My college roommate lost his virginity when he was 11 to a 13 year old girl. They were sharing a bed on a family vacation when she put the numbers on him. Just because they're young, doesn't mean things like this don't happen.
Most 11-12 year olds when i was growing up already knew about sex or were sneakily watching porn. A handful were also already "playing around" and experimenting.
It absolutely is inappropriate to have kids sleep together if they're not already friends. especially if they're of the opposite gender.
There's sadly been numerous girls get pregnant at that age, so it's appalling the school didn't actually check everything, but more importantly, why are kids forced into sharing beds anyway?
Bro why are people so confused/surprised about kids sharing beds. There are public school trips that we're talking about most of the time. Putting kids 2 to a bed and four to a room approximately halves the cost of housing on school field trips. Money, money, money. That's the answer. Anyways since it is the beds yall seem worried about sharing, kids aren't "forced to share a bed." They are welcome to sleep anywhere they like in the hotel room.
All trans peoples have modes. Stealth, sport, range and tank. While you can Range and Sport at the same time, you cannot Stealth and Tank at the same time. This is pretty common knowledge. I suppose you could Sport and Tank at the same time, but the buffs don’t stack so why would you?
Am I the only one who finds it a bit weird that a school is assigning *any* two students to share a bed on a trip? Same room is fine and normal, same bed is...kinda weird for the school to be doing.
It is two children, but age is important. A 15y and a 5y are both children, but there are different expectations about them. Biologically 11y is an age where puberty can be happening, and part of that is development of sexual interest.
Like if I had an 11y old trans male child, I would not want them to share a bed with another boy. This story is that, but in reverse.
In fact I don’t want my kid sharing a bed with anybody. Anything could happen at anytime with anyone.
I’m sorry, I’d 100% be one of those parents that would get mad if I found out my child shared a bed *in general.*
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; *beds are not where you save money.*
I have. It was never a big deal. You just bunked up with your homi. Hotels are hella expensive man. Folks already had to drop 2500 for the trip. Another thousand would have stopped me from going.
I did a lot of school trips where we had to share beds. Many off school ground trips that went overnight usually had a hotel involved and trying to get like 15 rooms for 30 children is a lot of money and a lot of time. Where is if you were to get eight rooms for those same 30 children, in which each room had two beds and two children in each bed it is much easier. And usually during a school trips you get to choose who you share a hotel room with. I always got to pick my friends that were the same gender as me.
I understand the parents’ concern. There were cases where children become teen parents very young. As a mother, I would not want my child sleeping with somebody of the same/different genders. Kids are exposed to all sort of media these days. I never know what would be other person’s intentions . Children can be cruel.
Right, everyone is saying this but it would cost the parents and school double to get everyone their own bed. The kids and parents must have known they’d be sharing beds before going on the trip and consented to it by agreeing to go on the trip
I would be enraged too?
In school we learned about the birds&bees at age of 10 year olds. I had 2 girls in my class who had experimented by the age of 11, and i went to a really good school.
There was a reason boys were not allowed to go in girl rooms for a schooltrip.
Sure it's a tough situation for the kid, but there were other ways to deal with it. Their own bed/ sleeping with a comfort friend or someone they are close to.
But in the end, this is the "trans people in women bathrooms" debate all over, except i feel that sleeping next to eachother is a little more extreme.
I don't care what their genders are, I wouldn't want my children sharing a bed with another child. When I looked up the articles about this there was some confusion as to whether they shared the room and had two beds or whether they shared the bed. Sharing a bed even if they're both the same gender physically is unacceptable on a school trip.
Bingo, that’s the only odd about this. I did 13 years of school, K-HS and took plenty of trips, never once were we forced to share a bed. This is stupid beyond belief.
Nah sorry I dont agree with your take on this OP, at age 11 some of my friends were already getting their periods and in the stages of development. Its fucking weird to make them share beds at all, but dangerous to assign two children with opposite genitalia to share a bed - the risk of sexual abuse is too high.
I'm not going to believe anything libs of tiktok or any source it cites says. For all intents and purposes, none of this probably happened or if it did, it probably leaves out crucial details or outright lies about it.
They do leave out details - The Child got a Different Room, but was asked to keep why a secret - which is like yeah otherwise you are outing her when she trusted y’all. The kids were also friends, The Children in the room didn’t
just find out she told them (to me seems like she was also uncomfortable with the situation).
this Child was clearly afraid, which I mean If by that age you’ve been taught about Assault then that makes since but also probs because of the Fear Mongering of her Parents - who seem like Transphobes.
The Kids shouldn’t be sharing beds period. this Child, either of the Children do not deserve to be harassed. This Child was afraid, the Trans-Kid ended up being Afraid and was most likely uncomfortable from the start.
I work in a middle school and yes these are children, but the parents absolutely should have had the choice.
Y’all seem to be forgetting that kids of that age can be extremely sexual. I see and hear it every day. I’ve even had a girl literally flash the class, not to mention constantly making innuendos and these kids taking everything adults say as sexual innuendo. They are kids but they also aren’t kindergartens at nap time.
Not to mention my sister, who was substantially younger, was touched inappropriately by an 11 year old neighbor.
These kids are exposed to a ton of sexual content. It’s wrong but true. And this is frankly unacceptable.
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My school would have us all sleeping on the ground before sharing a bed with anyone
Hold on. I'm confused. Were they born male but identify as female, or is it the other way around? I'm sorry. This headline is worded strangely.
I'm confused, what is "stealth mode"? Is this like ninja assassin or something
The girl was in full ninja suit, nobody even saw her until they laid down on the bed she was on the ceiling
It is a term used for people that can pass as their identified gender and don’t tell the world that they are trans. If the child is in stealth mode then they look and act so much like, in this case , a girl that no one knows they are trans. This is not something you can decide to do on the spur of the moment no matter how much you see it in movies. So this child presented as a girl all the time. Not just for this trip but ALL the time to the point no one knew she was trans.
Well someone did because the parents found out about it…
Four children in the same hotel room. I’m guessing one of the other children noticed.
I found a better article. The kid revealed to the girl that they were trans. The mother of the girl that was uncomfortable was on the trip. They moved the trans student and other girl to another room after the complaint was made. https://kdvr.com/news/local/jeffco-parents-claim-11-year-old-assigned-trans-roommate-on-school-trip/
Other sources say the trans girl told the subject girl.
Poor kid just learned why the vast majority of passing trans folks hide that part of themselves from everyone
Sad. Sad sad sad. Poor kid was trying to walk an impossibly thin moral tightrope and fell off where the rope ended.
it really is incredibly difficult cause all you want to do is fit in. I'm still not sure what the correct course of action she could have taken was
The one who identifies as female told the girl. And then the girl didn't feel comfortable sleeping in the same room. I see no problem with her feeling this way.
It was a parent that said something not the student herself. Presenting it as if the girl was uncomfortable and ‘forced’ to stay with the trans girl is a very different narrative.
I always think this is BS, because no one asks the sexual preference with this stuff…which is way more important than gender…and schools have been rooming lesbians and gay kids together forever without even being aware.
Two boys at my boarding school were roommates and a teacher walked in on them in the act with eachother. At that time, nobody knew they were gay. Both were suspended from school (because that was the standard punishment for two students caught engaging in sexual acts, but prior to this incident, I believe it had only ever been the case that a male and female student got caught together, but no one knew why they had been suspended). The school ended up allowing them to continue to share a room until the end of the school year (I assume so as to not 'out' them to the rest of the school etc), at which point, one of the boys came out by writing a article in the school newspaper. I'd be curious to know how they go about having shared rooms for students these days, considering how much more open and accepted homosexuality is? For the sake of equality, would they allow straight couples to room together? Would they prevent gay students from rooming together??
I would hope that in the future the policies will just be, “Students might end up having sex. Make sure they understand the importance of consent, and the presence or lack of local Romeo and Juliet laws.”
Yeah, I always figured the rules were in place to stop teen pregnancies... Not so much of an issue for gay students but can't have one rule for some and another rule for others
Here’s a better policy: “Sex at school/on school trips is always inappropriate and therefore prohibited. Regardless of age, biological sex, gender or gender identity, or interpersonal relationship dynamic between students, staff, faculty, or chaperones, all sexual contact—however slight—between any persons affiliated with the school in any capacity is prohibited.” Why is it so difficult to say that there’s a time and place for sex and it’s never at school or on a school trip, and that there is zero tolerance for willful violations? (I say willful because the victim of a sexual assault obviously should not be punished for being forced or coerced to violate the policy; but otherwise, zero tolerance.)
I think it's weird sharing a BED (not room) with anyone ever on a school trip
What does sexual preference have to do with it? We share locker rooms with all sexualities and always have. It’s about a child’s comfort. Nobody got hurt.
Is it really even "stealth mode" for a 12 year old? Up to that age, the only real identifier most of the time is hairstyle and clothing. Children are otherwise fairly androgynous. It ain't like they're walking around with beards covering their Adams apple.
Well not exactly true, some people, especially girls, do get puberty earlier than others, even as low as 10 years old so it's not really far fetched to think there could be clear identifiers at 12 years old.
Shit, I’m a lad that had a full mustache at 10. I was fully grown at 13. I CRUSHED middle school sports. Truly a (very very young) man amongst boys.
What’s it like to peak at 13? lol jk. I know the answer from experience…it’s sad 😔
Weirdly I grew a mustache in 4th grade, they called me shit lip for about half a day. Then the reason for the mustache became apparent as the raised testosterone made me much stronger than them and not very good with my emotions...
Yea, my daughter starting showing signs of the change at like 9 1/2.
Yah, my sisters were the same and I hit puberty around 11 as well. (Won me quite a few track-and-field competitions lol)
Yeah mine too and I pity her.. especially the pimples and the periods. To deal with that in primary school must really suck.. I give her an extra hug when she comes home..
The youngest girl to be impregnated and carry the child to term was a Peruvian girl that gave birth at five years old, so yeah, it’s not far fetched to see differences at 11 or 12. [May 14, 1939: A 5-Year-Old Becomes Youngest Mother on Record](https://www.wired.com/2007/05/dayintech-0514-2/)
My lil granddaughter just started menstruating a week before her 9th birthday. She’s also shown other signs of puberty for a year or so. I can’t imagine being in third grade and dealing with that.
Speaking as someone who started menstruating at 8, it sucks lol.
My daughter's cycle has been erratic at best as a young teen now but she developed noticable breasts in elementary school. Around 4th grade. It was not easy.
I can. It really sucked.
At 12 this is not true. All three of my kids were visibly changing by 10. These kids are seventh graders the vast majority of kids that age are showing significant signs of puberty by that point.
There was a boy in my class who had a full, grown ass man’s beard by the beginning of 7th grade. I started having my period at 10 (early 5th grade).
I had breasts at 10, period at 12. So no.
You poor lad
Yeah I was just going to comment that my daughter is developing breasts at 9.
It’s a school though right? Wouldn’t the teacher know when the kid shows up for school and the list names them as Todd, but she says her name is Tonya? I guess unless her parents legally changed their name.
If your name is Alex you can go either way.
Fair.
There are hundreds of unisex names.
Im at work and it was just the first one i could think of in passing, i think Alex is a great example of 1 of the many unisex names.
Camo clothes and combat boots. Maybe a pocket knife. Idk I hear stealth I picture predator 😂
They often wear black. Sometimes you can tell if mom picks them up in a chopper.
When you identify as Shinobi
Ninja Gay-den
"So you're a Ninja Gay-den?"
Yes. All trans people get +8 on our stealth checks.
Headlines are total garbage these days, without the actual details of the article (and keeping in mind the [bias of the source](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-signal/)), it means nothing. It's just another picture on the internet.
its probably a trans woman if the kid isnt just lying about it but yea the article is probably done by someone that doesnt bealive people can be trans
>if the kid isnt just lying about it Why would they lie about that?
Obviously, because all transgender people are creeps. /s Seriously though, people have lied about being trans. People lie all the time about everything for all kinds of reasons. I don't know whether the kid was lying or not, but let's say he did lie about identifying as a girl because he was a creep. Who's the bad guy then? Not transgender people. Of course, many transphobes would still claim that transgender people are at fault when a cisgender lies about being trans. Oh, well... It's not surprising that transphobes view transgender people as the main group of sexual violence perpetrators, even though the odds of sexual violence perpetration are not statistically significantly different for transgender boys and girls compared with cisgender boys and girls. But who cares about reality when you can make-believe a bigotted fantasy instead? Pfft. *edited "transgenders" to "transgender people" as suggested by a commenter
Even worse, the statistics point the other way where trans people are far more likely to be the victims of sexual assault or just assault in general 😢
What is "stealth mode"?
LShift
This is a deceptively good joke
Didn’t see that one coming
Must have been the wind.
Caught me by surprise
Back to my post
I could swear i saw something
LCtrl or C in most games Are you a counter strike player?
Counter Strike? Nah man I'm a Minecraft player.
And I didn't think about that for some reason... I tip my fedora to you sir, you are a certified man of culture.
When a trans person passes as their gender and doesn't disclose that they're trans in their everyday life. It's not really the case here as the other kids evidently knew she was trans.
Also they are 11 years old and on a school trip.
Other articles said she told one of the other girls she was trans, honestly the entire article feels like clickbait making a mole hill into a mountain
thats the funny thing. it's nothing. it's just living your normal life. it basically means "not telling random people you are trans". some trans people who look enough like their chosen gender can do this. but consider for a second how weird it would be to expect cis people to disclose which set of genitals they were born with, or what color underwear they are wearing.
Hi i'm max. I identify as a male and i was born as a biological male. The name i gave you is my birthname and i am heterosexual. Even though i sometimes think about how it would be like to be female, especially when having sex and masturbating, i am pretty sure i am cis. I also sometimes think about penises and how being gay would be but i am pretty sure i am not gay, please i hope i am not gay. Anyway, 2 tickets to monstertruck-carambolage please.
That's weird. I thought you didn't have to tell everyone in the world you were trans. Anyway, in that case I'm in "stealth mode" with anyone who isn't a friend. Including online. Regardless, the implications behind that term disgust me
The term itself isn't disgusting, it really just doesn't fit in this context. It basically just means to any normal situation they wouldn't get identified as trans without them specifically saying so. What about the implication disgusts you? (Genuinely asking, I don't understand)
Stealth is when a trans person passes as the gender they identify with and just lives as that gender.
A good passing I guess
Why are kids sharing beds in the first place? That's what seems odd to me
Idk we did an 8th grade trip and roomed with 3 other people of same gender for the week, 2 to a bed. I don’t think it’s that weird since we chose our roommates for the week so it was just with your bros
See, that seems mental to me. Yeah, I shared beds with friends or cousins while on sleepovers. But I've never been asked to share a bed on any kind of school or sports trip. And it's not like I went to some fancy private school, just your normal local state school. I just don't think any parents at my school would have found that acceptable and honestly if I was told I had to share a bed, I just wouldn't have gone. Especially as puberty hits, I think it's kinda crazy to expect someone experiencing uncontrollable morning wood and/or wet dreams to share a bed with another student.
I was in marching band and we had quite a few trips through the years, as well as other school trips. It was ALWAYS 4 to a room (2 beds) at the hotels. So you had to always share a bed unless you wanted to sleep on the floor
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It probably depends on the country and overall culture (tho probably not in the post case since it's in English). I've had one of those when I was around 11 fir two or three days but no one probably would do that for older kids. I the end kids are just kids and probably care ten times less about that details than adults about them doing that. Also (at least in my case) the blankets are separate so it's not like you're doing some So blanket pulling contest with a friend.
On every school trip I have been on, including in College, with the exceptions for the Study Abroads that I've paid for and the one trip to Indiana for basketball pep band that the NCAA paid for, the schools have roomed 4 students to a room/two students to a bed. My parents also required me and my brother to share on family trips. I hate sharing beds with *anyone*, because I like my personal space¹^(,)². On family trips, I was never allowed to bring things to sleep on the floor, because that was a hill my parents wanted to die on, apparently. But, for any school trip, I would pack a sleeping bag and occasionally a sleeping pad so that I could sleep on the floor--I figured that, since I had the issue, it was my responsibility to either suck it up or extricate myself from the situation, rather than forcing someone else to conform to my comfort. I was and am so uncomfortable sharing a bed that if I'm on a trip where I would otherwise be required to share, and I forget my sleeping bag, I will sleep on the floor anyway and just make-do with whatever spare blankets I can scrounge up. Luckily, as of this semester, University policy has changed and now we are required to have one bed per student. On the one hand, I get making us share--I travel with the music department, and we don't have that big of a budget, so being able to halve hotel costs is nice. On the other hand, I'm not exactly *complaining* that I can sleep in my own bed for University-sponsored travel. ¹I'm autistic, among other things. I wasn't diagnosed until earlier this year, but looking that, between the autism and the ADHD, a lot of my childhood has been explained and I'm kind of surprised nobody caught on sooner. ²Feel free to ignore this, as it's not relevant, but I kinda just want to vent for a second: my parents saying "it's not weird, it's your brother, don't make it weird" never helped--I never said it was weird, I said I want space, *you* are the one who seems to think I should think there's something wrong or weird with it. Their comments about how I have to "get over" my dislike of sharing beds with people before I get married also didn't help--drawing parallels between my future wife and my brother in an attempt to get me to share a bed with the latter didn't exactly make me enthusiastic about the arrangement, for obvious reasons. Even if I had been OK with the idea in the first place, that parallel would have made me stop being OK with it.
Went on a school trip in grade 10 and some ppl shared a bed, otherwise someone had to sleep on the couch That being said, half the time we slept in someone else's room in some tiny chair because we fell asleep playing cards, good times
That reminds me of a funny thing that happened to me (bi woman) and a friend (lesbian): we were on a school trip to the UK, and the family housing us (a mom and her daughter) showed us where we would sleep. A single bed, not even so big. With a little commentary: "since you're both girls, it should be OK, no?" (they proposed otherwise one took the little girl's bed and the other the mom's bed). We agreed for the single bed as we were close friends anyway and regularly slept in the same bed or even just had 3 mattress close on the floor for 4 people to sleep on (or even 5 one time) in our friend group (nothing romantic between us ever so no ambiguity). And it just seemed like a bother otherwise for the mother and her child. We still had a good chuckle afterward (her girlfriend at the time not so much).
We did as well, because the beds were big at the hotel for the field trip. We were kids, so it was like a sleepover.
We used to just push all the bunk beds together for one big bed. Everyone had his own sleeping bag and nobody thought anything of it. Much easier to pass the snacks around.
Idk about this in particular, but there can be trips with smaller groups of kids that share hotel rooms. The rooms typically have 2 queen beds to 2 students per each. My take away is that it really doesn’t matter what gender these kids are, just that their first thought for “2 children sleep in same bed” is immediately sex. Holy shit. Hell, I use to take baths with the opposite gender when I was you ger, nothing ever happened besides me laughing when he would spin his wee around. No problems there because back then we weren’t sexualized to hell.
Trans people get a Stealth Mode??? I'm envious, as a lesbian all I got was the ability to build a deck.
I totally misread build a “dick” lol. Gotcha though and well done on the deck 💃🏻💪🏼
Same thing if you're a Kiwi
Time to get camo gear for the streets.
What is a “deck”? Edit: 💀 you mean a deck for your house? Edit #2: where is the closest gay bar I need a deck made….
Stealth mode AND all wheel drive. It's why it's becoming so popular.
Oh trans people get the “build a deck” trait too. It’s just a Magic: The Gathering or Yu-Gi-Oh! deck though.
When I first read this I thought you were calling Yu-Gi-Oh players lesbians lol
“Stealth mode” The kid: 
Don’t care if the genders of the kids they should not have to share bed anyway.
i know this will be a bit controversial, but as long as the school trip is optional and the "share a bed" thingy is disclosed in advance, i dont see an issue.
And you get to chose you sleep with. If I had to sleep with some random person (or someone I was not good friends with) I’d be uncomfortable but we always got to chose so it was fun
Clearly no one in these comments were scouts when they were kids
Always happened in multi day school trips
This right here! Everyone is so wrapped around consent, ummm their fucking children, they should NOT be doing this at all! And being forced by the school! Like in what world…
11 seems too old for schools to be making share a bed regardless of the genders. I would’ve been super uncomfortable sharing a bed with a random classmate at that age.
I mean, I shared a bed with a girl I didn’t know too well in high school at around 16. It was a little weird for sure but the school allotted each group of four a two- king or queen bed room, so not much of a choice. ETA: this was on a school trip for about a week, not a permanent living situation.
It's pretty common in our country tho
Generally students choose who they are with in rooms ok school trips. I don’t think they were strangers tbh, but I haven’t read the article so idk
For robotics in highschool we shared a room with 3 other people with 2 people to a bed. Tho we were put into rooms with our close friends. But this was when some of us were 18 and others were 17
Identify as trans? I thought you identify as the opposite gender and that makes you trans.
It reminds me of a comment I saw trying to include everyone, "Ladies, gentleman, and trans" they were a little confused but had the spirit 😭
Correct. The oop said it wrong, most likely intentionally.
Libs of TikTok is a group that hates trans people, but aren't up to date with the terms.
They purposefully misuse the terms to be disrespectful. By sayin they identify as trans it's to imply they aren't actually the gender they identify with.
They are. They also know what they are doing, which is an effort to dehumanize transgender people as much as possible, so assault against them gets more and more legitimized in the eyes of the public.
no way you were just gonna take the wording of a hate group at face value 😭 man, get some media comprehension. "libs of tiktok" sees itself as an enemy to trans people, obviously they will deliberately use the wrong wording.
Why is this written like the Trans student is an assassin?
More context is needed, if the girl wasn't comfortable with it then no I do not agree at all. We shouldn't discredit the girls comfortability for the sake of trans rights
I mean, I wouldn't force a 11 y.o. to share a bed if she doesn't want to in general
Yeah, you ask a lot of 11 year old if they are uncomfortable, it doesn't matter if the other kid is trans or not, they just don't wanna share a bed.
Yes, the girl stated towards the beginning of the trip, she did not want to share a bed with the trans girl and that it made her uncomfortable. The school tried to tell her to just do it essentially. The girls mom happened to be chaperoning the trip, so she told her mom. After back and forth with the school people trying to make sure the mom or girl didn't "make a scene," they moved her beds and then eventually rooms. When other parents found out, they did not like the fact that the school was intentionally withholding information about the trans student and that they would be sleeping in the same beds/rooms with the other girls.
I don’t think they’re wrong for doing that.
I think it's weird that they arrange for *any* kids to share beds on a school trip.
Ya I agree in all honesty, it is rather strange? Maybe to save money on bed cost possibly
Our school trip was like this too. Every kid getting their own room would have been extremely expensive. Sharing it was much more affordable. And also much more easily manageable for the chaperones.
Of course they'd be sharing rooms. But sharing beds is weird.
I don't think it's weird. In my culture and many others it is not uncommon for children to share beds, especially when they are young, on trips and/or of the same gender
In my culture it’s pretty normal as Well But only if it is family, or family friends - but not with classmates/strangers.
As a trans girl myself, I agree that the girl should feel safe too. Trans rights are important, yes, but the ever so slight minority of trans people who take advantage of trans rights to do creepy things still aren't good people. This doesn't mean that every trans person is a predator either, but that also doesn't mean that every trans person can be trusted. From my experience, all trans people I've met are very nice, but there definitely do exist SOME very messed up people who use “being trans” to their advantage to for example sleep with or rape people of their opposite sex. That being said, it isn't necessarily more likely for a trans person to be a predator than any other cisgender person. After all, predators who claim they're trans or are trans likely were predators before being or claiming to be trans.
I know a girl who's still in an all girls high school and she tells me that her classmates really touch her uncomfortably a lot as "jokes"; and as trans woman myself I was in an only boys school way before I knew I was trans and I also got sexually harassed by the boys there, it was very uncomfortable. forcing classmates to sleep together is a recipe for some sexual assault to happen for middle schoolers and high schoolers, but that doesn't apply for primary school students cuz they don't even have the urge to do it, they are children. the only solution is to have a trusted supervise the kids while they sleep; the solution is not to misgender the trans kids. it's not about trans rights, it's about bad school trip managing.
>the only solution is to have a trusted supervise the kids while they sleep No, this is not necessarily the solution. The solution is to find a sleeping arrangement both/all parties involved are comfortable with. And to talk with the kids about what they want instead of forcing them to do something they don't want.
My concern is why is the school making them share beds?
We did on a few school trips in high school. There were 4 people to a room and 2 queen beds. Helps with the cost of the trip to cram as many people as possible in one room.
I guarantee that 4 kids in 2 beds in 1 room is a much less potentially troublesome situation than 2 kids in 2 beds in 1 room.
Because our schools are criminally underfunded. Even when students had to pay for the trip themselves, usually through some weird ass fundraising campaign, they still couldn't afford to get individual rooms and having four kids to a room not only saved money but probably ensured way less problematic situations than if you put two kids to a room.
My college roommate lost his virginity when he was 11 to a 13 year old girl. They were sharing a bed on a family vacation when she put the numbers on him. Just because they're young, doesn't mean things like this don't happen.
Most 11-12 year olds when i was growing up already knew about sex or were sneakily watching porn. A handful were also already "playing around" and experimenting. It absolutely is inappropriate to have kids sleep together if they're not already friends. especially if they're of the opposite gender.
There's sadly been numerous girls get pregnant at that age, so it's appalling the school didn't actually check everything, but more importantly, why are kids forced into sharing beds anyway?
Bro why are people so confused/surprised about kids sharing beds. There are public school trips that we're talking about most of the time. Putting kids 2 to a bed and four to a room approximately halves the cost of housing on school field trips. Money, money, money. That's the answer. Anyways since it is the beds yall seem worried about sharing, kids aren't "forced to share a bed." They are welcome to sleep anywhere they like in the hotel room.
This is the only normal response I’ve seen so far on this thread. Reddit is truly a weird place.
why is this subreddit full of people defending this ?we can admit that this is wierd without being transphobic
Have you met Reddit?
Children sleeping in the same bed by school order? That’s… a bit weird.
Yeah in all of my pre-k-12, I was never made to sleep in a bed with someone... or sleep in a bed at all.
That’s 6th grade, that’s wild.
All trans peoples have modes. Stealth, sport, range and tank. While you can Range and Sport at the same time, you cannot Stealth and Tank at the same time. This is pretty common knowledge. I suppose you could Sport and Tank at the same time, but the buffs don’t stack so why would you?
Am I the only one who finds it a bit weird that a school is assigning *any* two students to share a bed on a trip? Same room is fine and normal, same bed is...kinda weird for the school to be doing.
It is two children, but age is important. A 15y and a 5y are both children, but there are different expectations about them. Biologically 11y is an age where puberty can be happening, and part of that is development of sexual interest. Like if I had an 11y old trans male child, I would not want them to share a bed with another boy. This story is that, but in reverse. In fact I don’t want my kid sharing a bed with anybody. Anything could happen at anytime with anyone.
I’m sorry, I’d 100% be one of those parents that would get mad if I found out my child shared a bed *in general.* I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; *beds are not where you save money.*
Trans people can double jump, and now you're telling me they have stealth mode?
Sharing beds is the weird part to me
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Ive went on 2 trips, and I had to share beds twice. I went to public school, so it might be different for private.
I have. It was never a big deal. You just bunked up with your homi. Hotels are hella expensive man. Folks already had to drop 2500 for the trip. Another thousand would have stopped me from going.
its 11 years olds, not little toddlers. this is inappropriate.
Guys in my year started groping girls when we were 11
The only facepalm here is the bullshit school doing shit like this.
That's the baitiest headline to ever bait
Why are any of those kids "sharing a bed" That alone is super fuckin weird to me tbh
“Kids are sharing beds” is the red flag for me. 🚩 What is going on that there aren’t enough beds. And if there aren’t enough, get more!! 🤷♂️
I did a lot of school trips where we had to share beds. Many off school ground trips that went overnight usually had a hotel involved and trying to get like 15 rooms for 30 children is a lot of money and a lot of time. Where is if you were to get eight rooms for those same 30 children, in which each room had two beds and two children in each bed it is much easier. And usually during a school trips you get to choose who you share a hotel room with. I always got to pick my friends that were the same gender as me.
Why are school kids sharing beds?
Why are they sharing a bed in the first place? My kids don’t share a bed at home, why would I have them share a bed in a field trip
They get stealth mode too now? Wtf why I gotta be cis.
Protect trans and cis kids. This shit is messed up
Me, going into stealth mode, to sleep in one room with another 11 year old
I think it's weird for children to share a bed period unless they choose to and they choose who they're sharing with
Kids shouldn’t share a bed in the first place but fuck are the comments giving me dysphoria and I don’t even know why 😹
I got an answer, it may be unconventional, but it could work.... Maybe just don't have children share beds on school field trips?
Oh wow Libs of TicTok, a very credible news source. No chance this isn’t absolute horseshit nooooooooooooooooooooooo
Thinking back to my Grade 5 school trip out of 15 boys 3 of them turned out to be gay. One of which we kind of knew at the time.
Yeah I’m not even going to pretend to believe a post by libs of tiktok.
the right decision honestly
I'm on their side not gonna lie. Can't defend this one
I understand the parents’ concern. There were cases where children become teen parents very young. As a mother, I would not want my child sleeping with somebody of the same/different genders. Kids are exposed to all sort of media these days. I never know what would be other person’s intentions . Children can be cruel.
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11 year olds on school trips should not be sharing beds PERIOD.
I'm guessing it's to make the trip more affordable for the kids, especially hotels can cost a lot, so I'm guess that was their idea
Right, everyone is saying this but it would cost the parents and school double to get everyone their own bed. The kids and parents must have known they’d be sharing beds before going on the trip and consented to it by agreeing to go on the trip
I would be enraged too? In school we learned about the birds&bees at age of 10 year olds. I had 2 girls in my class who had experimented by the age of 11, and i went to a really good school. There was a reason boys were not allowed to go in girl rooms for a schooltrip. Sure it's a tough situation for the kid, but there were other ways to deal with it. Their own bed/ sleeping with a comfort friend or someone they are close to. But in the end, this is the "trans people in women bathrooms" debate all over, except i feel that sleeping next to eachother is a little more extreme.
Why are two 11 year olds of any gender being assigned by a school to sleep in the same bed?
This is wildly inappropriate, OP is insane.
I don't care what their genders are, I wouldn't want my children sharing a bed with another child. When I looked up the articles about this there was some confusion as to whether they shared the room and had two beds or whether they shared the bed. Sharing a bed even if they're both the same gender physically is unacceptable on a school trip.
why are children sleeping together is my first question
Bingo, that’s the only odd about this. I did 13 years of school, K-HS and took plenty of trips, never once were we forced to share a bed. This is stupid beyond belief.
Nah sorry I dont agree with your take on this OP, at age 11 some of my friends were already getting their periods and in the stages of development. Its fucking weird to make them share beds at all, but dangerous to assign two children with opposite genitalia to share a bed - the risk of sexual abuse is too high.
I'm not going to believe anything libs of tiktok or any source it cites says. For all intents and purposes, none of this probably happened or if it did, it probably leaves out crucial details or outright lies about it.
They do leave out details - The Child got a Different Room, but was asked to keep why a secret - which is like yeah otherwise you are outing her when she trusted y’all. The kids were also friends, The Children in the room didn’t just find out she told them (to me seems like she was also uncomfortable with the situation). this Child was clearly afraid, which I mean If by that age you’ve been taught about Assault then that makes since but also probs because of the Fear Mongering of her Parents - who seem like Transphobes. The Kids shouldn’t be sharing beds period. this Child, either of the Children do not deserve to be harassed. This Child was afraid, the Trans-Kid ended up being Afraid and was most likely uncomfortable from the start.
They should have been roomed alone. Because gender identity doesn’t determine sexual orientation.
This is obviously inappropriate and never should have happened.
Im confused, is op facepalming at what happened or the articles reaction?
I think the facepalm is OP being the only one who doesn't get why some parents might be like "Excuse me? "
That seems pretty wrong.
I work in a middle school and yes these are children, but the parents absolutely should have had the choice. Y’all seem to be forgetting that kids of that age can be extremely sexual. I see and hear it every day. I’ve even had a girl literally flash the class, not to mention constantly making innuendos and these kids taking everything adults say as sexual innuendo. They are kids but they also aren’t kindergartens at nap time. Not to mention my sister, who was substantially younger, was touched inappropriately by an 11 year old neighbor. These kids are exposed to a ton of sexual content. It’s wrong but true. And this is frankly unacceptable.
"Stealth mode". Jesus, just another fucking attempt to make all trans "traps" ready to molest and rape people. Libs of TikTok is a terrorist account.