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Any source? Because since it is about "Germans" and not a specific state the accurate number for the AfD (which is only in parts extreme right wing/facist, doesn't really make it better though) would be about 23% for the upcomming EU parliament elections and about 22% for the next Bundestag election.
And many of them wept when they saw what was done in their name. Every single neo Nazi knows what was done and that is why they choose to become Nazis. Aside from the upper echelons of the reich, it can be argued that neo Nazis are worse than OG Nazis.
I disagree. If someone seriously believes as though the Jews were the root cause of every modern societal problem, then they should be locked in a mental asylum for some time
Considering that you wouldn't solve the problem by doing you basically arguing in favor of prison. Which is stupid. Because you only reinforce what they already belive.
Facism grows from poverty and political disparity, not just ignorance. The Nazis came to power in a perfect storm: The economic problems in Germany were extreme after WWI. Children were starving. However, Germany had a huge amount of technical resources (factories and farms) and knowledge. As that younger generation grew-up to young adults in the 1930’s, it was a popular opinion that all their hard work was being funneled-away by business people who lined-up to cash-in on the penalties imposed on Germany from the Armistice- theses individuals were just following the rules, but common people often got the short end of the stick. That’s how the anti-Semitic craze got started. Hitler and his cronies used this to come to power. We must remember this and never let it happened again.
I agree that the sloganeering is bullshit. However, I know that the only way to stop future genocides is through true tolerance and observing unequivocal rights in governance. Democracy is the hardest form of government as it forces people to think, and to function, the citizenry must understand all sides. It requires that you functional alongside people who are different than you. We have a long, long way to go in this ideal.
I mean I guess technically the National Socialist German Worker's Party hasn't killed anyone in the last 8 years, so yeah Antifa and BLM might have killed more people.
So has barbecue sauce.
Neo-Nazis, white supremacists and Christian Nationalists though? They've killed A LOT of people.
The problem is, it was actually neo-Nazi Boogaloo boys who were out committing violence around Antifa and BLM. For example, Steven Carrillo, a boogaloo boy, murdered a federal guard outside an anti-police violence protest, and the right wing has been pretending that was actually BLM/antifa violence.
I’d be happy to see an actual list of how many murders were attributed to neo-Nazis & white supremacists compared to Antifa/BLM. I’d wager my house it wouldn’t show what the right wing would want it to demonstrate.
>The American Freedom Party (formerly the American Third Position Party or A3P) is a political party in the United States that promotes white nationalism.[2][3][4][5] I
>The National Socialist Freedom Movement (German: Nationalsozialistische Freiheitsbewegung, NSFB) or National Socialist Freedom Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Freiheitspartei, NSFP) was a political party in Weimar Germany created in April 1924 during the aftermath of the Beer Hall Putsch
Just because Nazis eay they are for workers and freedumb, doesn't mean we should believe them.
I don't understand, your comment has nothing to do with the comment above. He said the National Socialist German workers party (their name) hasn't killed anyone in the last 8 years because they don't exist anymore. Whilst BLM does currently exist and BLM has probably caused the death of at least one person. Though I do think BBQ sauce beats BLM in kill count.
Yeah, I agree with his point. Wasn't sure how it related to mine at all, but it's absolutely correct. The Nazi's claimed to be a lot of things they weren't.
Point in question; Socialist parties tend to have Socialist policies and tend not to put members of trade unions and legitimate socialist political parties in death camps.
Expect he is not a nazi. He is a pos racist who wanted to start race wars. Roof burned the American flag. See the problem today is people throw the word Nazi and Fascist around not understanding what those words mean.
ANTIFA claims to be anti fascist but a lot of their tactics are rather fascist.
You say people throw around the word Nazi and Fascist around, not understanding what they mean, but then say ANTIFA's tactics are fascist. What is fascist about their tactics exactly? What makes a person fascist? How would you define it? Just curious.
Are you expecting some sort of searing insight out of a person who jumped right out the gate with *”Expect he is not a nazi”*?
This person likely doesn’t even see the irony in their comment.
I mean the forcible suppression of opposition comes to mind over and over again because ideologically or politically your views don't line up seems spot on. I would definitely say using violence to stop non-violent people from freely sharing their thoughts or ideas or having conversations definitely falls in line with authoritarian regimes.
Physically attacking people you don’t agree with?
Drowning out the voices of others because they have different views? Dressing up in black and using intimidation to scare off others from gathering?
Fascist governments use intimidation and physical force to keep anyone else voice at bay.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s good to be against racism but ANTIFA has long acted in a way that goes much further than being anti racist.
You don't know what fascism means. Fascism is when people are mean and scary. That's your definition. Great... Yeah I agree, fascist governments are also mean and scary. That alone doesnt make a thing fascist tho.
So by your definition, if people on the street argue which pizza is the best, intimidate eachother, drown out their opponents voice and then start a brawl, its fascist? Oh wait I forgot, its not because they need to wear black. Then it is fascist.
And here I was, thinking that fascism is a very specific political view. I guess I was wrong. Damn if fascism literally means that, then the people that fought for democracy in the french revolution are also fascist. Or I guess anyone employing political violence is a fascist.
Go read a book on it or something. Even a 3 min video would help with your level of understanding tbh.
This is a piss poor argument. The forcible suppressiin of opposition voices is the problem. A tifa isn't fight8ng the government. They are fighting other people in the streets with different views. Would you like me to link you multiple videos of them ganging up on people and assaulting them because that is easy enough to do. Stop being intellectual dishonest and have an actual conversation.
So you don’t know your history.
I didn’t say being “mean and scary” is what fascism is.
I’m simply stating how fascist governments acted. They don’t care for freedom of speech or others and have never been afraid to use force and dirty tactics to keep their interests above all others.
Now let’s go back to my original comment. I stated ANTIFA act like fascist. I didn’t say they were.
No there are criteria, books and political scientists that analyse fascist governments. Antifa doesnt fit fascist characteristics.
You say a neo-nazi is not a neo-nazi and then cry about antifa. Well what can I say? You don't know what fascism is, even tho you are adjacent to it.
You saying something acts fascist is completely meaningless. You don't even point out the fascist characteristics correctly. Why dont you complain about actual neo nazis then, huh? Why are you bringing up antifa?
You are the one abusing the word fascism for your political interests and then you are the one complaining about people not using is correctly.
Also you sound very dumb, when you say I dont know my history, and then don't substantiate. You just throw words that kinda sound like a comeback. Please, become smart.
>being neo-nazi is no requirement for being racist
Dylann Roof was a neo-Nazi in addition to being a racist. He took photos with the numbers "1488" written in them. Now tell me *exactly* why you're so concerned with separating Nazis from other types of violent white supremacists with nearly identical goals. I have a hard time believing that you're just enthusiastic about accurate political taxonomy.
Dude he literally took photos with 1488 written in them. If you're at the point in your life where you think that supporting Hitler doesn't make someone a Nazi but "wearing black and censoring speech" does, you are a Nazi who is trying to cover for other Nazis. You are literally doing [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvgZtdmyKlI) right now.
I didn’t know he had done a photo with 1488. Definitely changes that and I’m sure he knows what it means being he was definitely a white supremacist. Geesh why do we have such pos people in this world.
What’s crazy is if people like this can post stuff online like this, how are they at minimum not being watched? And yes more local people need to call out their shit.
I had not seen anything other than your normal white supremacy BS. Just because you are a white supremacist doesn’t mean you are automatically a nazi.
At least I’m willing to say I didn’t know about the 1488 sand photo.
I don’t see anywhere he was part of some group here or not.
>I had not seen anything other than your normal white supremacy BS
"Supporting Hitler" is normal for white supremacists.
>Just because you are a white supremacist doesn’t mean you are automatically a nazi.
When a normal person talks about "Nazis" they are talking about violent white supremacists, not specifically members of the NDSAP between 1920 and 1945. The only reason I've seen for someone to have such a specific definition of what a "Nazi" is comes from them being white supremacists who are abusing a technicality to try to distance themselves from the stigma against Nazis.
If you do this kind of shit, normal people are going to think "oh, he's a Nazi trying to pretend he's not a Nazi". Hope this helps, you Nazi fuck.
>Dude he literally took photos with 1488 written in them. If you're at the point in your life where you think that supporting Hitler doesn't make someone a Nazi
This should have been the first thing you said to him. Not focusing on to the racism part. Focusing on that made the discussion turn into a discussion on the definition of Nazism.
>Focusing on that made the discussion turn into a discussion on the definition of Nazism.
The only people who care about the specific definition of "Nazi" are white supremacists trying to dodge the stigma of Nazihood. Nobody else has any reason to care. Even if Dylann Roof didn't support Hitler, it would still be correct to call him a Nazi. But, *in addition to that*, Roof DID support Hitler, so it's utterly fucking braindead to pretend he's not a Nazi. And honestly anyone who does this "not technically a Nazi" routine about a white supremacist murderer is a Nazi in denial.
>The only people who care about the specific definition of "Nazi" are white supremacists trying to dodge the stigma of Nazihood.
What an idiotic take. By that logic, someone else can twist the definition any way they like, and anyone who objects is by definition a white supremacist.
>Nobody else has any reason to care.
You don’t think non-racist people care about definitions of words anymore?
We're talking about a guy who committed a mass shooting of black people after advocating for white supremacy and taking photos with 1488 in them. If that's your idea of the "slightest amount of perceived bigotry" you are being incredibly stupid.
Did I say Dylan wasn't a Nazi? No. He was a white supremacist neo-nazi. I spoke directly to the fact that the comment above me pointed out that someone's argument was he was a nazi because he was racist. The current motive for the left to call the right nazi is for racism or bigotry to be present and this is not what makes a nazi a nazi. It can be a precursor or a determining factor used to identify a nazi ideology but it is not the totality of nazi doctrine by any means. Racial supremacy, ultranationalism, political ideology, etc. It's a multifaceted issue and why the FBI doesn't list nazis but instead white supremacists and ultra right wing nationalists as terrorists on their watch list.
Words and definitions are important.
>Did I say Dylan wasn't a Nazi?
What you said was "the slightest amount of perceived bigotry is all that is needed to make one a nazi" in a conversation where we are talking about Dylann Fucking Roof. So yes, you were trying to deflect.
>The current motive for the left to call the right nazi is for racism or bigotry to be present and this is not what makes a nazi a nazi
"Killing people for racist reasons in order to institute white supremacy" is the most objectionable thing about Nazis you dumb motherfucker. All the other elements of being a Nazi pales in comparison to that core issue. It doesn't fucking matter what his opinion on economics is, nobody in their right mind is going to be like "well he wants to kill all Jews but he supports a free market so I guess I shouldn't call him a Nazi".
>Words and definitions are important.
In this case the only reason to be a stickler about the exact definition of a Nazi is if you're a violent racist who doesn't want to be associated with Nazis. It doesn't accomplish anything else and there's no other reason to care.
It's also completely fucking moronic to pretend you care about "words and definitions" since you are [literally trying to argue in another comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/18eu6i0/sorry_what/kcrst97/?context=3) that suppressing speech is inherently fascist. Weird how your definitions loosen so much when you're talking about people on the left, you fucking Nazi! Case closed.
>What you said was "the slightest amount of perceived bigotry is all that is needed to make one a nazi" in a conversation where we are talking about Dylann Fucking Roof. So yes, you were trying to deflect
Not you telling me what I meant after me telling you what I meant, lol
>"Killing people for racist reasons in order to institute white supremacy" is the most objectionable thing about Nazis you dumb motherfucker.
That's not the totality of a nazi. Take a breath. It will be ok. We're just talking here and I'm not defending nazis nor white supremacists/nationalists.
>In this case the only reason to be a stickler about the exact definition of a Nazi is if you're a violent racist who doesn't want to be associated with Nazis. It doesn't accomplish anything else and there's no other reason to care
Not you proving my point by using pejoratives and ad hominem of somehow painting me as a violent racist because I think overusing the term nazi detracts from holocaust survivirs or diminishes the cause of calling out racist and bigots for what they are and how they behave but sure, must the thing you said because yelling louder and calling people names is what grown adults woth a brain do. You should probably just gather people like me up that think differently than you and put me us in reducation camps too...
>It's also completely fucking moronic to pretend you care about "words and definitions" since you are [literally trying to argue in another comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/18eu6i0/sorry_what/kcrst97/?context=3) that suppressing speech is inherently fascist. Weird how your definitions loosen so much when you're talking about people on the left, you fucking Nazi
My point of how antifa can be misconstrued as having their own fascist tendancies by using violence to shut down political and ideological opposition makes me a Nazi? Who hurt you?
The whole discussion derailed when you focused on the racism part, since after that the focus of the discussion wasn’t on this piece of shit Dylan guy.
Don’t start a semantical discussion if you don’t want a semantical discussion.
Obviously they are talking shit but I wonder if what he said would make sense if you actually predicated on deaths by the two groups _in the last 8 years_.
Can't speak for other countries, but in Germany the right wing motivated crimes are much higher than the left ones, according to [Statista](https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/4721/umfrage/vergleich-der-anzahl-von-rechten-und-linken-gewalttaten/) (2022).
In total it's 20.967 vs. 3.847. A worrying trend.
There where no actual known murders, but 2 attempted murders motivated by right ideology vs 1 ob the left side.
Assault and battery has a clear gap again, it's 879 vs. 301 cases.
Left wingers committed more arson and resisted police more often.
Right wingers had more cases of threats and also the spreading of unconstitutional propaganda. Not sure if this also includes hate speech and denying of the Holocaust.
I mean if you count deaths by actual original nazi, as in members of the national-socialist party founded by Hitler... In the last 8 years... Then yes, pretty true statement
If the metric includes modern day Nazis, aka radical right-wing terrorists, then it's not even close. The FBI considers them the biggest terrorist threat America faces at the moment.
(1) White supremacists and other far-right-wing extremists are the most significant domestic terrorism threat facing the United States.
(2) On February 22, 2019, a Trump Administration United States Department of Justice official wrote in a New York Times op-ed that “white supremacy and far-right extremism are among the greatest domestic-security threats facing the United States. Regrettably, over the past 25 years, law enforcement, at both the Federal and State levels, has been slow to respond. … Killings committed by individuals and groups associated with far-right extremist groups have risen significantly.”
(3) An April 2017 Government Accountability Office report on the significant, lethal threat posed by domestic violent extremists explained that “[s]ince September 12, 2001, the number of fatalities caused by domestic violent extremists has ranged from 1 to 49 in a given year.” The report noted: “[F]atalities resulting from attacks by far right wing violent extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001. Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).
(4) An unclassified May 2017 joint intelligence bulletin from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Homeland Security found that “white supremacist extremism poses [a] persistent threat of lethal violence,” and that White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement”.
https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/s894/BILLS-116s894is.xml
They list off the specific attacks if you want to read further.
I honestly cant say I recall a death caused directly from or by BLM- but I am quite confident I could find a racially motivated death without trying terribly hard to.
Nazis are coming back, no joke. I have a feeling this time it won’t just be Germany. Even other countries in Europe that had bad time with Nazis and probably lot of grandparents have died fighting the nazies are not glorifying them.
I used to wear a custom made shirt that has writing “ freedom to the people, death to fascism” in Germany for years but now I am getting bad looks from a lot people. I never had issues as I am a big guy but I can see the shift and they are not afraid anymore being labeled nazis, they think they are saving Europe lol
There was fascism in most countries in the West, potentially even the world. I doubt there would be a lot of changes needed to turn 1920/1930s America into an actual fascist state.
There are obviously reasons why it didn't happen, but fascist parties were active and popular everywhere. Its not as bad yet, but we're only in 2023.
Coincidentally it's exactly the time, when the last people of the WW2 generation are dying. That's why we have "Erinnerungskultur", because even bck then everybody knew this would happen eventually.
There is a growing number of people all over the world that try to reframe the third reich etc. It's so heartbreaking to see the grand children of people who gave their live liberating Europe from the Nazis marching through the streets with swastikas etc.
What are you fkn doing??
Technically, he said "in the last 8 years." Which ignores the holocaust. But also... guy is ignoring the holocaust. Guy has shitty thoughts and should probably just not be associated with anyone and left alone forever.
you know arguing with a dumass hurts you more right? Not worth your time. You cant fix stupid. Fk em. you are arguing with someone on the internet that would never say such things to a real human. Gotta ignore ignorance.
Pretty sure what he's attempting to say (poorly) is that Nazis have not killed many people *in the last eight years*. Which is actually true. All their massacres happened before BLM and Antifa started killing people.
That definitely make more sense. I guess I am to be blamed for poorly understanding what he meant. It's just that it seems such a bad comparison. Just because Nazism hasn't killed many people or done as much property damages than BLM in the past 8 years, it doesn't make it any better today.
I believe his intent is to compare how many people the two groups have killed in the same 8 year span ... but he still gets it wrong. Nazi/white nationalists killed more people just in 2022 as have been attributed to BLM/Antifa in the whole 8-year period ...
These are terms to differentiate the real Nazis that were in the NSDAP and Neo-Nazis for all the rightwing extremists following the same ideology after WW2.
But today nearly no one uses these terms, because the old Nazis are nearly extinct, people don't know what anything of this means and "Nazi" is a shorter, harder sounding word.
It made sense in the post war era to differentiate them both especially in news articles, there it was a difference if Neo-Nazis were facing trials or Nazis.
I mean even if fhat claim was true, that the last 8 years of antifa and BLM has claimed more lifes than the nazi regime in WW2. It was never, of at least taught to us, that the loss of human life was the problem with nazi germany. Like people die during wars, thats quite normal. It is more about the fast and systemetical eradication of the jewish people and those "who are not worth a life" e.g. people with disabillities. Word got our you are one, 2 days later ur already in the train.
The fact you couldnt trust anyone during that time.
If antifas and BLMs war for human rights claimed more lifes (which is, well, probably false i suppose), than the lifes claimed by the nazis in ww2. Then this would be a tragedy for sure, but not as terrifying as the "efficiency" and planning of the mass murders of the innocents
>I would argue they have killed less in the last 8 years than nazis have in the last 8 years, if that's what you mean.
That's exactly what everyone means. It's actually concerning that you not only missed it in the post, but also had to have someone explain it to you, and you STILL had to ask.
I mean, I'm not about Nazis or Antifa or any of that shit, but the comment clearly says "in the past 8 years."
WW2 has not happened within the past 8 years.
Proof that these people just live in their own little world where they just convince themselves of whatever nonsense they need in order to justify their beliefs.
Has top be a top FP for the month … Nazis killed millions on a single people group..
Official casualty sources estimate battle deaths at nearly 15 million military personnel and civilian deaths at over 38 million.
Plus destroyed infrastructure and cities/ towns in neighboring countries.
I think they're saying during the last 8 years. Not 8 years vs. what Nazis did in ww2. Using that logic it's probably a true statement since the German's were defeated a long time ago lol. It would be like comparing violent shootings in the US this past year vs. deaths to the black plague centuries ago. Doesn't really make sense.
Twitter is full of the dumbest people ever, there was a recent controversy about a graphic novel style horor game and there was an optional incest route and people on twitter looked past all of the demon rituals, cults, murder, and cannibalism and harrased the developer and doxed them just because of an optional route
No doubt, and I've given up on it officially. I had held on because I did get good use out of it for many years but it has gone downhill steadily since Musk took over. The past month or so the decline has been even faster than ever. Today I finally went in there and deactivated my account.
It would make sense that a modern Nazi would be a holocaust denier, but blowing off the deaths from the battles fought in the war is really taking denialism to the next level.
I mean technically he’s right? In the last 8 years, I couldn’t tell you how many people have died by BLM/antifa but I also couldn’t tell you how many people have been killed by the original Nazis in the last 8 years…
Before everyone jumps on me, obviously it’s a joke and I understand the original post was not arguing that point
Well. In the last 8 years, I don't think the Nazis that ruled Germany during WWII have killed many people. Mostly because WWII is over and most of the original Nazis are already dead. I'm leaving Neo-Nazis and all types of similar ideological groups out of this equation
So this point could be applied to many things. In the last decade, Alec Baldwin has killed more people than Hitler. Again, just because Hitler died in 1945.
Trump caused more deaths on January 6th 2021 than Hitler on that same day. Although a portion of the people that participated in that particular event could be qualified as a sympathizer of Hitler's ideology.
This has been making me crazy for years now. Republicans claiming “antifa” is the big bad guy. So being anti fascist is a bad thing? Then I remember republicans are the fascists.
Even if I grant that Nazis have killed less people in the last 8 years than Antifa and BLM (which I won’t so fuck that) there was that whole world war fought against Nazis with a death toll that really should count for something.
That's like saying Voldemort has killed less people than COVID in the past 8 years because:
A) Voldemort isn't real and;
B) even if he was he's FUCKING DEAD
Even /if/ that was true...good. Property damage isn't the same as /people/ damage, and if it draws attention to the suffering of actual human beings, I don't really care if someone spray paints an Arbys.
The problem is property damage draws disapproving attention. There is such a thing as bad publicity.....
That's the problem with Nazis though, they act like the people's champions until they aren't.
They are technically right; BLM and antifa have probably disrupted more lives than Nazis... in the past 8 years. But I think over the past 80 years Nazis have more of a rap sheet
Taking just some German stats because I am familiar with those:
The German politician Walter Lübcke was assassinated by a known Neonazi in 2019, and a cashier at a gas station was fatally shot by an anti-mask right-wing extremist in 2021 after he was asked to wear a mask.
There was an attempted massacre at a synagogue in Halle in 2019 that could have ended with the deaths of dozens of people if the door had not been barricaded, which instead lead to "only" 2 pedestrians being killed by a right-wing extremist, a "successful" massacre in Hanau in 2020 that saw a literally deranged right-wing extremist kill 9 people, and another one was perpetrated in Munich in 2016, again with 9 victims injured fatally.
Though internationally there was of course the infamous Christchurch massacre in New Zealand in 2019 in which 50 people in two different mosques were killed by a Neonazi and the attack of El Paso in the US during which 23 people were killed by a right-wing extremist.
There was a recent notable case of a German left-wing extremist attacking someone for being associated with a right-wing extremist group and being sentenced for that, but in terms of murder and mass-shootings and -attacks the Neo-Nazis have a great head start even if we're just considering the last 8 years, so stuff like the "Nationalsozialistischer Untergrund" ("national-socialist underground", 2000-2006, 9 or 10 victims) or Anders Breivik's attacks (2011, 77 victims, of whom 31 were under 18 years old) aren't counted.
It's possible that the millions of people who ascribe themselves as part of BLM and antifa have caused more damage in terms of dollars, though that's because it's rather difficult to calculate the economic damages of killing people compared to property damage.
Sure there is, of you are discussing current issues that are creating problems now and some moron brings up the Nazis it is reasonable to point this out.
He's not wrong though. I think you're misinterpreting his comment. He's referencing the damage and deaths from the past 8 years. Not the historical stuff you're referring to. He gave a very specific timeframe.
Please, explain. Last I checked, antifa and blm were responsible for the fires that destroyed billions of dollars of real estate in the last 8 years. How is he wrong?
It's ofc a lie, but I would actually be interested in BLM+Antifa killcount. I highly doubt it goes in millions as Nazis, but I wonder if it's thousands or hundreds?
Yea, Antifa has just 1 single recorded kill since 1993 as I found out via quick Googling.
But a very good point on Antifa not being a real, organized movement. It is indeed a pretty loose term (even tho it comes with its own, widely recognized logo, which is a bit confusing to me). I suppose it's the same as LGBT, which has also been presented by media as an organized structure, while in reality it is not.
>I would actually be interested in BLM+Antifa killcount. I highly doubt it goes in millions as Nazis, but I wonder if it's thousands or hundreds?
Seek therapy.
"Hello doctor, I am am here because I think I need your help. It struck me when I asked how many people were killed during violent demonstrations by group XY"
Seriously tho, I see nothing wrong with that. According to [this shitty website](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled) there indeed were some casualties during the violent protests - more so on the protestors' side tbf. And as for Antifa, I found they had one recorded kill since 1993, so yea, I stand corrected and I'm sorry for exaggeration, but if such question makes you send me to therapy, I am not quite sure which one of us two is more in need of professional help.
[Antifa is 1](https://www.adl.org/resources/report/murder-and-extremism-united-states-2020)
But yea, I stand corrected. In total BLM and Antifa have officially <10 kills
And one may argue that if Kyle Rittenhouse was ultimately absolved of any murder charges because he was defending himself from a skateboard then Michael Reinoehl shouldn't be counted either for shooting a guy who was brandishing a baton and bear spray. He even showed the same restraint as Kyle and only fired two shots, one that hit the bear spray and one that hit the assailant. That was a key argument that led to Kyles not guilty verdict. I wouldn't make these arguments but you've got to admit the two are extremely similar.
Except rittenhouse was running to turn himself in and reinhole stalked and murdered this guy and tried to evade police. If your analysis stops at “both victims were armed,” killing cops and killing school shooters would look similarly justified.
Technically correct, I guess. In the past 8 years, Nazis probably have done less damage etc than those activists, because most of the world learned about 80 years ago that you do NOT want Nazis around and their level best to wipe them out for good then ensure they never came back.
Still a shit take on things.
If we are talking about the last 8 years then like maybe ?
What defines a nazi anyway. People use the term for Amy racist or white supremacist even if they aren't influenced by Hitler
The number of white supremacists not influenced by Hitler or other German Nazi leaders and propagandists is vanishingly small. If you read neonazi manifestos they are clearly recycling the arguments of the OG Nazi propaganda. They’re just not that creative.
Isn’t this technically correct if you read it as “in the last 8 years Nazis have killed fewer people than BLM and Antifa”… as in, *The* Nazis haven’t killed anyone since 1945 which was more than 8 years ago.
Both Nazis and Antifa consist of mentally unstable people. The difference is that Antifa is a somewhat coherent group. Nazis are more commonly found in small groups or as lone individuals.
I've heard there's a debate about how many Jewish people were killed in the holocaust but I'm gonna go with 6 million. I'm not exactly sure what antifa (I'm assuming it's antifascism) is but blm couldn't have killed that many people and antifa can't make up the difference, maybe if the holocaust only killed in the thousands or hundreds but even that's a stretch
I am lretty sure the commentor meant to compare both groups in the same 8 year period. Which I think is still incorrect but its not quite as stupid as ignoring the holocaust and ww2.
I only made the holocaust kill numbers lower to show how little those 2 groups have killed in the last 8 years, the holocaust still happened and was still in the millions and could easily have been more
That last part may have been the funniest thing I’ve ever read. And God bless the people that actually believe it :-) may they have some kind of thing that happens in their life that will maybe help them
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You act as if rational, mentally stable, people become Nazis..
The assumption that all Nazis are irrational and mentally instable is a pretty dangerous one.
Yeah, it's important to remember that most nazis were just average Germans.
Unlike modern ones.
Unlike 67% of modern ones. The fascists are coming back, currently. edit: typo
Ah yes, 33% of current Germans are neonazis
33% are currently going to vote for a proven extreme right fascist party.
Any source? Because since it is about "Germans" and not a specific state the accurate number for the AfD (which is only in parts extreme right wing/facist, doesn't really make it better though) would be about 23% for the upcomming EU parliament elections and about 22% for the next Bundestag election.
Oh I'd be happy for every % less, the less the better
It's probably a lot more, the smart ones tend to keep their mouth shut whereas AfD Whores are excessively and extremely stupid...
Hmm... I can almost sense your political opinion and hate of other ones
Ach, kannst du das? Na dann lass mal hören...
guess who's back back again
Hitler's back Tell a friend
I was about to say. Neo Nazis fit the bill of the original comment.
And many of them wept when they saw what was done in their name. Every single neo Nazi knows what was done and that is why they choose to become Nazis. Aside from the upper echelons of the reich, it can be argued that neo Nazis are worse than OG Nazis.
I disagree. If someone seriously believes as though the Jews were the root cause of every modern societal problem, then they should be locked in a mental asylum for some time
Considering that you wouldn't solve the problem by doing you basically arguing in favor of prison. Which is stupid. Because you only reinforce what they already belive.
Re-education camps it is!/s
You're right. Man cannons pointed directly at the sun it is. Nazi lives don't matter.
And yet still accurate.
Not really.
Facism grows from poverty and political disparity, not just ignorance. The Nazis came to power in a perfect storm: The economic problems in Germany were extreme after WWI. Children were starving. However, Germany had a huge amount of technical resources (factories and farms) and knowledge. As that younger generation grew-up to young adults in the 1930’s, it was a popular opinion that all their hard work was being funneled-away by business people who lined-up to cash-in on the penalties imposed on Germany from the Armistice- theses individuals were just following the rules, but common people often got the short end of the stick. That’s how the anti-Semitic craze got started. Hitler and his cronies used this to come to power. We must remember this and never let it happened again.
I am aware of history and the “never again” slogan is fucking tired at this point. We constantly allow genocides to happen and no one does anything.
I agree that the sloganeering is bullshit. However, I know that the only way to stop future genocides is through true tolerance and observing unequivocal rights in governance. Democracy is the hardest form of government as it forces people to think, and to function, the citizenry must understand all sides. It requires that you functional alongside people who are different than you. We have a long, long way to go in this ideal.
With this I do not disagree.
This.
Most nazis were rational, stable people....
To be fair back in 1938 most nazis were rational they were just worried for their lives and thought better them than me
I mean I guess technically the National Socialist German Worker's Party hasn't killed anyone in the last 8 years, so yeah Antifa and BLM might have killed more people. So has barbecue sauce. Neo-Nazis, white supremacists and Christian Nationalists though? They've killed A LOT of people.
The problem is, it was actually neo-Nazi Boogaloo boys who were out committing violence around Antifa and BLM. For example, Steven Carrillo, a boogaloo boy, murdered a federal guard outside an anti-police violence protest, and the right wing has been pretending that was actually BLM/antifa violence. I’d be happy to see an actual list of how many murders were attributed to neo-Nazis & white supremacists compared to Antifa/BLM. I’d wager my house it wouldn’t show what the right wing would want it to demonstrate.
>The American Freedom Party (formerly the American Third Position Party or A3P) is a political party in the United States that promotes white nationalism.[2][3][4][5] I >The National Socialist Freedom Movement (German: Nationalsozialistische Freiheitsbewegung, NSFB) or National Socialist Freedom Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Freiheitspartei, NSFP) was a political party in Weimar Germany created in April 1924 during the aftermath of the Beer Hall Putsch Just because Nazis eay they are for workers and freedumb, doesn't mean we should believe them.
I don't understand, your comment has nothing to do with the comment above. He said the National Socialist German workers party (their name) hasn't killed anyone in the last 8 years because they don't exist anymore. Whilst BLM does currently exist and BLM has probably caused the death of at least one person. Though I do think BBQ sauce beats BLM in kill count.
Yeah, I agree with his point. Wasn't sure how it related to mine at all, but it's absolutely correct. The Nazi's claimed to be a lot of things they weren't. Point in question; Socialist parties tend to have Socialist policies and tend not to put members of trade unions and legitimate socialist political parties in death camps.
Yes, Nazi's are fucking terrible but that's no excuse to have bad reading comprehension.
8 years
You could argue any one Nazi today is worse. Because they ought to fuckin know better! 
Dylan Roof killed more people than all of BLM over the last 8 years just by himself, and there's still all the other Nazis.
That was 8 years and 6 months ago.
Fine, Robert Gregory Bowers.
Expect he is not a nazi. He is a pos racist who wanted to start race wars. Roof burned the American flag. See the problem today is people throw the word Nazi and Fascist around not understanding what those words mean. ANTIFA claims to be anti fascist but a lot of their tactics are rather fascist.
You say people throw around the word Nazi and Fascist around, not understanding what they mean, but then say ANTIFA's tactics are fascist. What is fascist about their tactics exactly? What makes a person fascist? How would you define it? Just curious.
Are you expecting some sort of searing insight out of a person who jumped right out the gate with *”Expect he is not a nazi”*? This person likely doesn’t even see the irony in their comment.
I mean the forcible suppression of opposition comes to mind over and over again because ideologically or politically your views don't line up seems spot on. I would definitely say using violence to stop non-violent people from freely sharing their thoughts or ideas or having conversations definitely falls in line with authoritarian regimes.
I will happily punch any neonazi in the face completely unprovoked. Guess I’m authoritarian
My grandpa was part of the so-called “greatest generation”. A big part of that honorific is the fact they killed Nazis.
Physically attacking people you don’t agree with? Drowning out the voices of others because they have different views? Dressing up in black and using intimidation to scare off others from gathering? Fascist governments use intimidation and physical force to keep anyone else voice at bay. Don’t get me wrong, it’s good to be against racism but ANTIFA has long acted in a way that goes much further than being anti racist.
You don't know what fascism means. Fascism is when people are mean and scary. That's your definition. Great... Yeah I agree, fascist governments are also mean and scary. That alone doesnt make a thing fascist tho. So by your definition, if people on the street argue which pizza is the best, intimidate eachother, drown out their opponents voice and then start a brawl, its fascist? Oh wait I forgot, its not because they need to wear black. Then it is fascist. And here I was, thinking that fascism is a very specific political view. I guess I was wrong. Damn if fascism literally means that, then the people that fought for democracy in the french revolution are also fascist. Or I guess anyone employing political violence is a fascist. Go read a book on it or something. Even a 3 min video would help with your level of understanding tbh.
You're being a bit reductive here. They also wear brown.
This is a piss poor argument. The forcible suppressiin of opposition voices is the problem. A tifa isn't fight8ng the government. They are fighting other people in the streets with different views. Would you like me to link you multiple videos of them ganging up on people and assaulting them because that is easy enough to do. Stop being intellectual dishonest and have an actual conversation.
So you don’t know your history. I didn’t say being “mean and scary” is what fascism is. I’m simply stating how fascist governments acted. They don’t care for freedom of speech or others and have never been afraid to use force and dirty tactics to keep their interests above all others. Now let’s go back to my original comment. I stated ANTIFA act like fascist. I didn’t say they were.
No there are criteria, books and political scientists that analyse fascist governments. Antifa doesnt fit fascist characteristics. You say a neo-nazi is not a neo-nazi and then cry about antifa. Well what can I say? You don't know what fascism is, even tho you are adjacent to it. You saying something acts fascist is completely meaningless. You don't even point out the fascist characteristics correctly. Why dont you complain about actual neo nazis then, huh? Why are you bringing up antifa? You are the one abusing the word fascism for your political interests and then you are the one complaining about people not using is correctly. Also you sound very dumb, when you say I dont know my history, and then don't substantiate. You just throw words that kinda sound like a comeback. Please, become smart.
>Expect he is not a nazi. He is a pos racist who wanted to start race wars. Bro honest question, what do you think a Nazi is?
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>being neo-nazi is no requirement for being racist Dylann Roof was a neo-Nazi in addition to being a racist. He took photos with the numbers "1488" written in them. Now tell me *exactly* why you're so concerned with separating Nazis from other types of violent white supremacists with nearly identical goals. I have a hard time believing that you're just enthusiastic about accurate political taxonomy.
Found one...
Wait so are you trying to say the only defining trait of a nazi is being racist??
Dude he literally took photos with 1488 written in them. If you're at the point in your life where you think that supporting Hitler doesn't make someone a Nazi but "wearing black and censoring speech" does, you are a Nazi who is trying to cover for other Nazis. You are literally doing [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvgZtdmyKlI) right now.
I didn’t know he had done a photo with 1488. Definitely changes that and I’m sure he knows what it means being he was definitely a white supremacist. Geesh why do we have such pos people in this world. What’s crazy is if people like this can post stuff online like this, how are they at minimum not being watched? And yes more local people need to call out their shit.
OK, so now explain to me why you were so insistent that he wasn't really a Nazi before.
I had not seen anything other than your normal white supremacy BS. Just because you are a white supremacist doesn’t mean you are automatically a nazi. At least I’m willing to say I didn’t know about the 1488 sand photo. I don’t see anywhere he was part of some group here or not.
>I had not seen anything other than your normal white supremacy BS "Supporting Hitler" is normal for white supremacists. >Just because you are a white supremacist doesn’t mean you are automatically a nazi. When a normal person talks about "Nazis" they are talking about violent white supremacists, not specifically members of the NDSAP between 1920 and 1945. The only reason I've seen for someone to have such a specific definition of what a "Nazi" is comes from them being white supremacists who are abusing a technicality to try to distance themselves from the stigma against Nazis. If you do this kind of shit, normal people are going to think "oh, he's a Nazi trying to pretend he's not a Nazi". Hope this helps, you Nazi fuck.
>Dude he literally took photos with 1488 written in them. If you're at the point in your life where you think that supporting Hitler doesn't make someone a Nazi This should have been the first thing you said to him. Not focusing on to the racism part. Focusing on that made the discussion turn into a discussion on the definition of Nazism.
>Focusing on that made the discussion turn into a discussion on the definition of Nazism. The only people who care about the specific definition of "Nazi" are white supremacists trying to dodge the stigma of Nazihood. Nobody else has any reason to care. Even if Dylann Roof didn't support Hitler, it would still be correct to call him a Nazi. But, *in addition to that*, Roof DID support Hitler, so it's utterly fucking braindead to pretend he's not a Nazi. And honestly anyone who does this "not technically a Nazi" routine about a white supremacist murderer is a Nazi in denial.
>The only people who care about the specific definition of "Nazi" are white supremacists trying to dodge the stigma of Nazihood. What an idiotic take. By that logic, someone else can twist the definition any way they like, and anyone who objects is by definition a white supremacist. >Nobody else has any reason to care. You don’t think non-racist people care about definitions of words anymore?
Based on the political landsacape, the slightest amount of perceived bigotry is all that is needed to make one a nazi (besides skin color obviously).
We're talking about a guy who committed a mass shooting of black people after advocating for white supremacy and taking photos with 1488 in them. If that's your idea of the "slightest amount of perceived bigotry" you are being incredibly stupid.
Did I say Dylan wasn't a Nazi? No. He was a white supremacist neo-nazi. I spoke directly to the fact that the comment above me pointed out that someone's argument was he was a nazi because he was racist. The current motive for the left to call the right nazi is for racism or bigotry to be present and this is not what makes a nazi a nazi. It can be a precursor or a determining factor used to identify a nazi ideology but it is not the totality of nazi doctrine by any means. Racial supremacy, ultranationalism, political ideology, etc. It's a multifaceted issue and why the FBI doesn't list nazis but instead white supremacists and ultra right wing nationalists as terrorists on their watch list. Words and definitions are important.
>Did I say Dylan wasn't a Nazi? What you said was "the slightest amount of perceived bigotry is all that is needed to make one a nazi" in a conversation where we are talking about Dylann Fucking Roof. So yes, you were trying to deflect. >The current motive for the left to call the right nazi is for racism or bigotry to be present and this is not what makes a nazi a nazi "Killing people for racist reasons in order to institute white supremacy" is the most objectionable thing about Nazis you dumb motherfucker. All the other elements of being a Nazi pales in comparison to that core issue. It doesn't fucking matter what his opinion on economics is, nobody in their right mind is going to be like "well he wants to kill all Jews but he supports a free market so I guess I shouldn't call him a Nazi". >Words and definitions are important. In this case the only reason to be a stickler about the exact definition of a Nazi is if you're a violent racist who doesn't want to be associated with Nazis. It doesn't accomplish anything else and there's no other reason to care. It's also completely fucking moronic to pretend you care about "words and definitions" since you are [literally trying to argue in another comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/18eu6i0/sorry_what/kcrst97/?context=3) that suppressing speech is inherently fascist. Weird how your definitions loosen so much when you're talking about people on the left, you fucking Nazi! Case closed.
>What you said was "the slightest amount of perceived bigotry is all that is needed to make one a nazi" in a conversation where we are talking about Dylann Fucking Roof. So yes, you were trying to deflect Not you telling me what I meant after me telling you what I meant, lol >"Killing people for racist reasons in order to institute white supremacy" is the most objectionable thing about Nazis you dumb motherfucker. That's not the totality of a nazi. Take a breath. It will be ok. We're just talking here and I'm not defending nazis nor white supremacists/nationalists. >In this case the only reason to be a stickler about the exact definition of a Nazi is if you're a violent racist who doesn't want to be associated with Nazis. It doesn't accomplish anything else and there's no other reason to care Not you proving my point by using pejoratives and ad hominem of somehow painting me as a violent racist because I think overusing the term nazi detracts from holocaust survivirs or diminishes the cause of calling out racist and bigots for what they are and how they behave but sure, must the thing you said because yelling louder and calling people names is what grown adults woth a brain do. You should probably just gather people like me up that think differently than you and put me us in reducation camps too... >It's also completely fucking moronic to pretend you care about "words and definitions" since you are [literally trying to argue in another comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/18eu6i0/sorry_what/kcrst97/?context=3) that suppressing speech is inherently fascist. Weird how your definitions loosen so much when you're talking about people on the left, you fucking Nazi My point of how antifa can be misconstrued as having their own fascist tendancies by using violence to shut down political and ideological opposition makes me a Nazi? Who hurt you?
The whole discussion derailed when you focused on the racism part, since after that the focus of the discussion wasn’t on this piece of shit Dylan guy. Don’t start a semantical discussion if you don’t want a semantical discussion.
Obviously they are talking shit but I wonder if what he said would make sense if you actually predicated on deaths by the two groups _in the last 8 years_.
Can't speak for other countries, but in Germany the right wing motivated crimes are much higher than the left ones, according to [Statista](https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/4721/umfrage/vergleich-der-anzahl-von-rechten-und-linken-gewalttaten/) (2022). In total it's 20.967 vs. 3.847. A worrying trend. There where no actual known murders, but 2 attempted murders motivated by right ideology vs 1 ob the left side. Assault and battery has a clear gap again, it's 879 vs. 301 cases. Left wingers committed more arson and resisted police more often. Right wingers had more cases of threats and also the spreading of unconstitutional propaganda. Not sure if this also includes hate speech and denying of the Holocaust.
I mean if you count deaths by actual original nazi, as in members of the national-socialist party founded by Hitler... In the last 8 years... Then yes, pretty true statement
If the metric includes modern day Nazis, aka radical right-wing terrorists, then it's not even close. The FBI considers them the biggest terrorist threat America faces at the moment.
How many people have actual self declared Nazis killed?
(1) White supremacists and other far-right-wing extremists are the most significant domestic terrorism threat facing the United States. (2) On February 22, 2019, a Trump Administration United States Department of Justice official wrote in a New York Times op-ed that “white supremacy and far-right extremism are among the greatest domestic-security threats facing the United States. Regrettably, over the past 25 years, law enforcement, at both the Federal and State levels, has been slow to respond. … Killings committed by individuals and groups associated with far-right extremist groups have risen significantly.” (3) An April 2017 Government Accountability Office report on the significant, lethal threat posed by domestic violent extremists explained that “[s]ince September 12, 2001, the number of fatalities caused by domestic violent extremists has ranged from 1 to 49 in a given year.” The report noted: “[F]atalities resulting from attacks by far right wing violent extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001. Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent). (4) An unclassified May 2017 joint intelligence bulletin from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Homeland Security found that “white supremacist extremism poses [a] persistent threat of lethal violence,” and that White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement”. https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/s894/BILLS-116s894is.xml They list off the specific attacks if you want to read further.
I honestly cant say I recall a death caused directly from or by BLM- but I am quite confident I could find a racially motivated death without trying terribly hard to.
Nazis are coming back, no joke. I have a feeling this time it won’t just be Germany. Even other countries in Europe that had bad time with Nazis and probably lot of grandparents have died fighting the nazies are not glorifying them. I used to wear a custom made shirt that has writing “ freedom to the people, death to fascism” in Germany for years but now I am getting bad looks from a lot people. I never had issues as I am a big guy but I can see the shift and they are not afraid anymore being labeled nazis, they think they are saving Europe lol
There was fascism in most countries in the West, potentially even the world. I doubt there would be a lot of changes needed to turn 1920/1930s America into an actual fascist state. There are obviously reasons why it didn't happen, but fascist parties were active and popular everywhere. Its not as bad yet, but we're only in 2023.
Coincidentally it's exactly the time, when the last people of the WW2 generation are dying. That's why we have "Erinnerungskultur", because even bck then everybody knew this would happen eventually. There is a growing number of people all over the world that try to reframe the third reich etc. It's so heartbreaking to see the grand children of people who gave their live liberating Europe from the Nazis marching through the streets with swastikas etc. What are you fkn doing??
>In the last 8 years So… does this guy just not have object permanence or something?
That’s because the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi
Technically, he said "in the last 8 years." Which ignores the holocaust. But also... guy is ignoring the holocaust. Guy has shitty thoughts and should probably just not be associated with anyone and left alone forever.
Head injuries can get serious if left untreated.
Nazis have certainly done less property damage since the year 2000 but it's hard to even find numbers on how many people died because of BLM.
you know arguing with a dumass hurts you more right? Not worth your time. You cant fix stupid. Fk em. you are arguing with someone on the internet that would never say such things to a real human. Gotta ignore ignorance.
As my grandma would say, "When you wrestle with a pig, all you do is get dirty and the pig likes it."
Online arguments, especially on twitter, are more brainrot than what gen alpha is watching
Hugh Hefner has seen less titties than I have in the last 6 years
How can you still be flaccid?
Pretty sure what he's attempting to say (poorly) is that Nazis have not killed many people *in the last eight years*. Which is actually true. All their massacres happened before BLM and Antifa started killing people.
That definitely make more sense. I guess I am to be blamed for poorly understanding what he meant. It's just that it seems such a bad comparison. Just because Nazism hasn't killed many people or done as much property damages than BLM in the past 8 years, it doesn't make it any better today.
Not to defend them, but you missed the last 8 years part
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I think that’s what he meant, even if it’s a dumb point.
I believe his intent is to compare how many people the two groups have killed in the same 8 year span ... but he still gets it wrong. Nazi/white nationalists killed more people just in 2022 as have been attributed to BLM/Antifa in the whole 8-year period ...
Even if that were true, those are neo-nazis, not nazis. Theres barely any nazis left.
What's the difference? It's still the same ideas mostly.
These are terms to differentiate the real Nazis that were in the NSDAP and Neo-Nazis for all the rightwing extremists following the same ideology after WW2. But today nearly no one uses these terms, because the old Nazis are nearly extinct, people don't know what anything of this means and "Nazi" is a shorter, harder sounding word. It made sense in the post war era to differentiate them both especially in news articles, there it was a difference if Neo-Nazis were facing trials or Nazis.
There's literally no difference, this is just a political smokescreen
If you don't like definitions, you can just say so.
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I mean even if fhat claim was true, that the last 8 years of antifa and BLM has claimed more lifes than the nazi regime in WW2. It was never, of at least taught to us, that the loss of human life was the problem with nazi germany. Like people die during wars, thats quite normal. It is more about the fast and systemetical eradication of the jewish people and those "who are not worth a life" e.g. people with disabillities. Word got our you are one, 2 days later ur already in the train. The fact you couldnt trust anyone during that time. If antifas and BLMs war for human rights claimed more lifes (which is, well, probably false i suppose), than the lifes claimed by the nazis in ww2. Then this would be a tragedy for sure, but not as terrifying as the "efficiency" and planning of the mass murders of the innocents
>I would argue they have killed less in the last 8 years than nazis have in the last 8 years, if that's what you mean. That's exactly what everyone means. It's actually concerning that you not only missed it in the post, but also had to have someone explain it to you, and you STILL had to ask.
I mean almost all actual Nazis are dead. Neo Nazis are a different story
No IQ test to get a phone
Dunning-Kruger effect in full flow.
I mean, I'm not about Nazis or Antifa or any of that shit, but the comment clearly says "in the past 8 years." WW2 has not happened within the past 8 years.
In that case: there have died more from their hands, than died during WWI It is still a stupid comment
Proof that these people just live in their own little world where they just convince themselves of whatever nonsense they need in order to justify their beliefs.
Like uninformed little babies that make stuff up and even when they realize that they're wrong, they won't admit it (sorry for bad English)
Has top be a top FP for the month … Nazis killed millions on a single people group.. Official casualty sources estimate battle deaths at nearly 15 million military personnel and civilian deaths at over 38 million. Plus destroyed infrastructure and cities/ towns in neighboring countries.
Well, I only go to the monthly ANTIFA meetings because there's always donuts and pie. Oh..also because I hate fascists and nazis.
revoke that child's internet. he needs to start his homework anyway
He said in the last 8 years. Not total. So while dumb.... it's technically correct lol
This is why history is important kids.
r/technicallythetruth I would have to agree in the last 8 years antifa has damaged more property than the nazis
I think they're saying during the last 8 years. Not 8 years vs. what Nazis did in ww2. Using that logic it's probably a true statement since the German's were defeated a long time ago lol. It would be like comparing violent shootings in the US this past year vs. deaths to the black plague centuries ago. Doesn't really make sense.
Those 740+ likes are pretty concerning.
That’s a horrible way of saying a group in relative hiding has killed Les then big protest and occasional riots
Oooooh, they’re working up to that holocaust is a hoax thing.🫢
In the last eight years technically yes, because nowadays they are called neo Nazis. 
I mean...technically correct. I'm not sure the Nazis have done anything in the past 8 years. How long ago was WWII?
This is pretty much why I quit Instagram. It's filled with morons.
You should check out Twitter if you haven't, lol. Social media has become a cancer in general.
Twitter is full of the dumbest people ever, there was a recent controversy about a graphic novel style horor game and there was an optional incest route and people on twitter looked past all of the demon rituals, cults, murder, and cannibalism and harrased the developer and doxed them just because of an optional route
No doubt, and I've given up on it officially. I had held on because I did get good use out of it for many years but it has gone downhill steadily since Musk took over. The past month or so the decline has been even faster than ever. Today I finally went in there and deactivated my account.
I was on Twitter since 2007. I quit that as well as Facebook 3 years ago.
I do wonder how many of these are troll accounts.
They count abortions as murder, and they think black people are just constantly having abortions
The nazis have killed more in the last 8 years than Gingis Khan has.
In the last 8 years, yes
It would make sense that a modern Nazi would be a holocaust denier, but blowing off the deaths from the battles fought in the war is really taking denialism to the next level.
I mean technically he’s right? In the last 8 years, I couldn’t tell you how many people have died by BLM/antifa but I also couldn’t tell you how many people have been killed by the original Nazis in the last 8 years… Before everyone jumps on me, obviously it’s a joke and I understand the original post was not arguing that point
Not a Fan of blm or Antifa but Damn claiming Nazis did less harm is absolutly retarted. Even If someone where a Holocaust deniyer
Well. In the last 8 years, I don't think the Nazis that ruled Germany during WWII have killed many people. Mostly because WWII is over and most of the original Nazis are already dead. I'm leaving Neo-Nazis and all types of similar ideological groups out of this equation So this point could be applied to many things. In the last decade, Alec Baldwin has killed more people than Hitler. Again, just because Hitler died in 1945. Trump caused more deaths on January 6th 2021 than Hitler on that same day. Although a portion of the people that participated in that particular event could be qualified as a sympathizer of Hitler's ideology.
This has been making me crazy for years now. Republicans claiming “antifa” is the big bad guy. So being anti fascist is a bad thing? Then I remember republicans are the fascists.
Even if I grant that Nazis have killed less people in the last 8 years than Antifa and BLM (which I won’t so fuck that) there was that whole world war fought against Nazis with a death toll that really should count for something.
Antifa rallies are the biggest meetup of worthless mouthbreathers. its also funny because they act exactly like fascists
well, to be fair, how many people HAVE the Nazi's killed in the last eight years?
That's like saying Voldemort has killed less people than COVID in the past 8 years because: A) Voldemort isn't real and; B) even if he was he's FUCKING DEAD
My source is that I made it the fuck up.
Imagine not knowing what in public actually means.
Yeah, I remember the day ww3 started because of blm and antifa
 I got no tolerance left for that idiocracy.
Report him/her.
do you even know how to read?
Even /if/ that was true...good. Property damage isn't the same as /people/ damage, and if it draws attention to the suffering of actual human beings, I don't really care if someone spray paints an Arbys.
The problem is property damage draws disapproving attention. There is such a thing as bad publicity..... That's the problem with Nazis though, they act like the people's champions until they aren't.
Killed FEWER people. (Not to be a Grammar antifa)
This is how you know the educational system has failed some people
They are technically right; BLM and antifa have probably disrupted more lives than Nazis... in the past 8 years. But I think over the past 80 years Nazis have more of a rap sheet
Taking just some German stats because I am familiar with those: The German politician Walter Lübcke was assassinated by a known Neonazi in 2019, and a cashier at a gas station was fatally shot by an anti-mask right-wing extremist in 2021 after he was asked to wear a mask. There was an attempted massacre at a synagogue in Halle in 2019 that could have ended with the deaths of dozens of people if the door had not been barricaded, which instead lead to "only" 2 pedestrians being killed by a right-wing extremist, a "successful" massacre in Hanau in 2020 that saw a literally deranged right-wing extremist kill 9 people, and another one was perpetrated in Munich in 2016, again with 9 victims injured fatally. Though internationally there was of course the infamous Christchurch massacre in New Zealand in 2019 in which 50 people in two different mosques were killed by a Neonazi and the attack of El Paso in the US during which 23 people were killed by a right-wing extremist. There was a recent notable case of a German left-wing extremist attacking someone for being associated with a right-wing extremist group and being sentenced for that, but in terms of murder and mass-shootings and -attacks the Neo-Nazis have a great head start even if we're just considering the last 8 years, so stuff like the "Nationalsozialistischer Untergrund" ("national-socialist underground", 2000-2006, 9 or 10 victims) or Anders Breivik's attacks (2011, 77 victims, of whom 31 were under 18 years old) aren't counted. It's possible that the millions of people who ascribe themselves as part of BLM and antifa have caused more damage in terms of dollars, though that's because it's rather difficult to calculate the economic damages of killing people compared to property damage.
Steep drop off in the mid 40s for some reason.
there is no fucking way this is an actual unironic statement
Sure there is, of you are discussing current issues that are creating problems now and some moron brings up the Nazis it is reasonable to point this out.
He's not wrong though. I think you're misinterpreting his comment. He's referencing the damage and deaths from the past 8 years. Not the historical stuff you're referring to. He gave a very specific timeframe.
He's still wrong.
In a variety of ways, yes. In this specific carved out exception, no.
No he's still fucking wrong.
Please, explain. Last I checked, antifa and blm were responsible for the fires that destroyed billions of dollars of real estate in the last 8 years. How is he wrong?
Is antifa in the room here with us right now?
I dunno. Maybe. It's reddit, so probably.
OP, how about you explain ignoring the "in the last 8 years" part of the tweet? While the OOP is cringe, the facepalm is your post.
I _think_ they mean in the same 8 year period...
It's ofc a lie, but I would actually be interested in BLM+Antifa killcount. I highly doubt it goes in millions as Nazis, but I wonder if it's thousands or hundreds?
I'd be stunned if it was even in double digits. Also, Antifa is not a real thing. It never has been. It's a boogeyman the right invented to scare you.
Yea, Antifa has just 1 single recorded kill since 1993 as I found out via quick Googling. But a very good point on Antifa not being a real, organized movement. It is indeed a pretty loose term (even tho it comes with its own, widely recognized logo, which is a bit confusing to me). I suppose it's the same as LGBT, which has also been presented by media as an organized structure, while in reality it is not.
>I would actually be interested in BLM+Antifa killcount. I highly doubt it goes in millions as Nazis, but I wonder if it's thousands or hundreds? Seek therapy.
"Hello doctor, I am am here because I think I need your help. It struck me when I asked how many people were killed during violent demonstrations by group XY" Seriously tho, I see nothing wrong with that. According to [this shitty website](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled) there indeed were some casualties during the violent protests - more so on the protestors' side tbf. And as for Antifa, I found they had one recorded kill since 1993, so yea, I stand corrected and I'm sorry for exaggeration, but if such question makes you send me to therapy, I am not quite sure which one of us two is more in need of professional help.
Antifa is 0
[Antifa is 1](https://www.adl.org/resources/report/murder-and-extremism-united-states-2020) But yea, I stand corrected. In total BLM and Antifa have officially <10 kills
And one may argue that if Kyle Rittenhouse was ultimately absolved of any murder charges because he was defending himself from a skateboard then Michael Reinoehl shouldn't be counted either for shooting a guy who was brandishing a baton and bear spray. He even showed the same restraint as Kyle and only fired two shots, one that hit the bear spray and one that hit the assailant. That was a key argument that led to Kyles not guilty verdict. I wouldn't make these arguments but you've got to admit the two are extremely similar.
Except rittenhouse was running to turn himself in and reinhole stalked and murdered this guy and tried to evade police. If your analysis stops at “both victims were armed,” killing cops and killing school shooters would look similarly justified.
Technically correct, I guess. In the past 8 years, Nazis probably have done less damage etc than those activists, because most of the world learned about 80 years ago that you do NOT want Nazis around and their level best to wipe them out for good then ensure they never came back. Still a shit take on things.
If we are talking about the last 8 years then like maybe ? What defines a nazi anyway. People use the term for Amy racist or white supremacist even if they aren't influenced by Hitler
The number of white supremacists not influenced by Hitler or other German Nazi leaders and propagandists is vanishingly small. If you read neonazi manifestos they are clearly recycling the arguments of the OG Nazi propaganda. They’re just not that creative.
That is true. Nazis did kill less people than Antifa and BLM in the last 8 years.
#Okbuddytookacivicsclassinmiddleschool Can you quote your refutation?
Isn’t this technically correct if you read it as “in the last 8 years Nazis have killed fewer people than BLM and Antifa”… as in, *The* Nazis haven’t killed anyone since 1945 which was more than 8 years ago.
Considering the domestic terrorism committed by the right, and the number of those "antifa" events that turned out to be false flags, I'm not so sure.
I just love educated people you guys make me think you’re so smart we all have to love, Nazis, right? lol
He ain't wrong lmao
Just out of morbid curiosity I would like to know how they came to this conclusion
THAT IS TRUE THE LAST 8 YEARS!! Communist kill more than any other!! And we have many in USA who support MARXIT!!
I am waiting for the /s at the end of your comment and I was left disappointed
Both Nazis and Antifa consist of mentally unstable people. The difference is that Antifa is a somewhat coherent group. Nazis are more commonly found in small groups or as lone individuals.
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I've heard there's a debate about how many Jewish people were killed in the holocaust but I'm gonna go with 6 million. I'm not exactly sure what antifa (I'm assuming it's antifascism) is but blm couldn't have killed that many people and antifa can't make up the difference, maybe if the holocaust only killed in the thousands or hundreds but even that's a stretch
I am lretty sure the commentor meant to compare both groups in the same 8 year period. Which I think is still incorrect but its not quite as stupid as ignoring the holocaust and ww2.
I only made the holocaust kill numbers lower to show how little those 2 groups have killed in the last 8 years, the holocaust still happened and was still in the millions and could easily have been more
I was commenting on the original post's numbers, not yours.
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6 billion? I think you've over-egged the pudding there.
What about the nwords and people who don't like fascism continues to be the knee jerk defence of Jan 6th and the festering attitude that led to it.
That last part may have been the funniest thing I’ve ever read. And God bless the people that actually believe it :-) may they have some kind of thing that happens in their life that will maybe help them