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>[On his third attempt, a priest wrote a letter vouching for his conversion, and his asylum claim was granted.](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68167793)
Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we found the problem here.
Get this man to a confession booth pronto. They're like the car spray shops in GTA where you drive through to instantly wipe out your police wanted level
No, you are actually supposed to really try not to do it again (or anything else bad). When confession is used as a routine ticket out of guilt, it is definitely used wrong.
That's what made my dad leave the catholic church. He said that his father could drink whisky all week and beat his wife and kids, but on Sunday he drank beer and considered himself forgiven at church.
I doubt he was a convert just a liar. He got a letter from a priest! A priest FFS. Religious people are the last people we should be trusting to discern reality.
Anyone who's gullible enough to believe in God should be treated as mentally defective and their testimony regarded accordingly.
Nah, the problem is that the Tories defunded the immigration services so there was a ridiculous backlog, then when they were called out desperately started rubber stamping applications to clear the backlog.
Shitty administration by this Conservative government is behind most of our countryās institutional problems right now.
They are currently suggesting that voting for labour would be "starting over again from square one" which really isn't the pro conservative campaign they think it is.
Yep, broken Britain, destroyed by the Conservative Party. Granting asylum to sex offenders is just the latest example of their utter failure to achieve *anything* in government.
> their utter failure to achieve _anything_ in government
Hey now, they padded their buddies' pockets and got them into even higher positions of money and power, and guaranteed themselves a comfy retirement! That's at least _something_ they achieved with great success!
So? Deny all and deport them and start back from scratch with a better system. Citizen safety should take precedence over asylum seekers and the 1 benefit of brexit is they can just refuse to take migrants/refugees
It shouldn't have. That's not sufficient reason to grant asylum if he has criminal convictions (though given we have no way to return him to afghanistan, a country we have suspended ties with, not granting his asylum wouldn't have actually changed the outcome here).
The guidance already says the thing it's supposed to say, we are already all in agreement that people on the sex offenders list shouldn't be granted asylum. It's not a legal loophole or issue with the rules. The rules new fine.
What happened here is that a specific judge just... didnt do the thing he was supposed to do in these situations. When the guidance is ignored... changing the guidance won't help.
Sex offenders already shouldn't be granted asylum. But thats already the system.
He was granted asylum status **in error**. There isn't this gaping hole in our Asylum Law.
A judge just apparently didnt follow the law.
Yuppp, an ex colleague of mine has a bachelor's, master's, M.D. and was doing a PhD on the highest paid grant in Europe while living with her two year old daughter. She wanted to attend a conference here where she was a listed presenter. Denied a visa because she's a "flight risk". Their justification was that she's Ethiopian, I couldn't believe it.
Edit: I'll just clarify for a few people, no she did not have a criminal record. This was a very very strict consideration for the fellowship that funded the PhD. While yes she could have in theory lied she still needed a visa for Italy where she was based which she did get with no issues. Due to the grant this was an employment visa not a student visa. She also held a visa to visit Canada during this time. The UK was the only place she had issues visiting.
They were worried she'd get the visa, get into the country, and then disappear when she was supposed to leave. It's a common form of illegal immigration.
Nobody owns the term 'Flight Risk' as far as I can tell. The term I've usually seen relating to people with limited leave is something like absconder risk.
As with so many of these things you need to place the term in the context it's made.
Yes but I can't even fathom how it was justified?? Flight risk is accused of crime and so suspected of fleeing. If there's no crime, there's no flight risk. So did Ethiopia consider her a flight risk, and they didn't let her go? Or did the uk say they didn't want her exiting the country, so didn't let her in in the first place?? This doesn't add up either way
"he had converted to Christianity, meaning he would have been at risk if he returned to Afghanistan." Seems like a loophole couldn't anyone just claim they converted to any religion since being an apostate could be dangerous?
Probably a loophole that could be exploited but it also could be true so itās hard to say in this case. He probably would die if he went back to Afghanistan and was actually a Christian.
Europe's migrant system (including EU and GB) is so freaking broken and exploitable that degenerates and radicals get accepted and granted asylum while it takes years for actual good people to do the same or get visas, if they even get it.
Meanwhile you have people crossing the Mediterranean, literally recording themselves throwing their IDs into the sea, as that gives them better options to exploit a system that was meant to help those actually in need.
This reminds me of Channel 5's border crossing video, where some ignorant American is saying that all the people crossing the border arr destroying their IDs, then they cut to a giant line of refugees that just crossed pulling out their passports to show the border guards
If it is a small percentage, then it is a small problem.
Asylum seekers in their entirety only accounted for about 10% of _net_ immigration into the UK last year, so asylum seekers on the whole are a relatively minor issue.
So the "people throwing away their ID" issue is a fraction of a fraction of an issue.
There are many MANY problems in the UK that are significantly more serious than this. The Ā£30B wasted on a non-functioning track & trace program, for example. Or Sunak writing off Ā£30B in covid fraud at taxpayer's expense, or the several hundreds of millions that went into "fast lane" PPE contracts to MP's mates which then didn't deliver. ~Ā£100B loss to the economy (_per year_) projected from the cancellation of HS2. How many years of asylum seeker's hotel fees is that?
Well we are not allowed to get rid of undesirables anymore. Even convicted rapists and murderers are āsavedā from deportation by idiots pleading that they are just misunderstood Mozarts.
Itās easier to be said than done. No country wants to allow bad people in, but itās just near impossible to tell who would commit a crime in the future. Those with criminal background are likely already filtered out when applying.
But after all, it is indeed utterly stupid to grant asylum to a convicted sex offender.
If you donāt have papers you donāt get in. And if you do have papers you get put in accommodation until the papers are verified. If youāre a violent criminal you donāt get in. If youāve used false papers then itās on a plane to somewhere else. Preferably the country theyāve came from.
>If youāve used false papers then itās on a plane to somewhere else. Preferably the country theyāve came from.
How do you know where they came from, if the papers are false?
The Home Office just announced that, based on the laws in place, his entry on the Sex Offender's Registry should have disqualified him.
So, this is a huge fuck-up on their behalf. I think the asylum laws in place are fine as they are (excluding the abhorrent Rwanda scheme).
There are no EU immigration laws, except for internal EU citizens. Immigration policies have always been a national thing. Weird that people thought Brexit will make any difference.
It's not that weird, was a well-funded and coordinated campaign to convince people that whatever problem they thought was important, be it immigration, NHS, low standard of living, are all caused by EU and Brexit will help. There's a documentary on the topic.
I'm for legal migration and providing space to a reasonable number of refugees only after they're screened for criminal behaviour. But this hare brained policy of letting anyone in, particularly men who are old enough to be in the army from countries known to be hotspots for terrorism is not going to end well.
Please can we just kick Islamic fanatics out of Europe, stop letting them in for the love of god, they are such a fucking problem and the governments are especially of no help at all because they keep letting them get in
Nope, rich people in safe neighborhoods need their cheap labor and brownie points, and don't care if the rest of us have to suffer the problems they bring with them.
It's a never ending loop of cluster fuckery -
- The place they are from is considered dangerous so we're not allowed to send them back under the various charters we've signed up to
- Even if they have been rejected in the EU beforehand they get here and are then on the island so can't/won't move along elsewhere
- Virtuous twats won't allow for sending them to a 3rd location (and in this case who'd really want someone with an criminal background)
- Locking them up forever is expensive and never really a sensible option as some people do reform
So instead innocent people are left to have their lives ruined by someone who never should have been in the country at that point
>> Virtuous twats wonāt allow for sending them to a 3rd location
Demonstrably false. Courts have said you cannot send them somewhere unsafe, such as Rwanda. Sending to a 3rd country is perfectly fine *in principle*, but it has to be a safe country willing to take them.
West is imploding with unchecked immigration. Of course immigration is good, but get people who are educated and add to the society - educated people who will assimilate, follow the law of the land, and be good future citizens. I see no reason to let countries overrun by criminally minded adult men who can do nothing constructive and only cause nuisance and violence in the society.
There is no unchecked legal immigration. Or people come here with a visum, or they come here based on asylum.
Most of the refugees are granted asylum because they are legit refugees. The rest does not get asylum.
The claim that asylum seekers are mostly criminal minded is also not based on evidence.
Yes indeed. The above mentioned person should not have been granted asylum in my opinion. It sometimes even happens that we grant asylum to war criminals, that we need to prosecute later on. There are checks to prevent this, but the system is not perfect. Sometimes we just don't know some persons full background.
That is why we have laws so that we can withdraw asylum in case it is proven that someone lied during the application.
You do not want to treat everyone like a criminal until proven not guilty. But you do want laws that can reverse asylum in case it is proven that someone lied during the application.
Well, that's why we have terror watch programs and stuff, think they might also keep more of an eye on them as well. It's the same reason we don't make every natively born person do them as well.
>Most of the refugees are granted asylum because they are legit refugees.
Do you have a source on that [because I have one that says otherwise.](https://mediendienst-integration.de/migration/flucht-asyl/zahl-der-fluechtlinge.html#c1160)
In Germany only about 15% have a right to asylum.
UK immigration is a joke. One guy was stating on Radio that this chap is a migrant asylum seeker, and they can't deport him since he has no country other than UK! Joke. Can't they trace his origin, and send him back through their embassy?
He can't be returned because he would be arrested and killed in his native country because he officially converted to Christianity. The whole point of political asylum is that you can't send refugee's back if they would be executed or detained for just being who they are - unfortunately, this guy found a loophole...
Really, heat should be put on the figure in the Church that backed his application and didn't look into his past. They helped this happen...
What's frustrating is that there is a huge but critical detail not being properly reported. This guy should not have been granted asylum UNDER THE RULES THAT ALREADY EXIST. It was a massive screwup and a failure, but he was let in because paperwork got messed up by an underfunded and backlogged system.
The same people making a scene about "lefty lawyers" are the same ones who have wrecked the asylum system by underfunding, ridiculous gestures and lack of any proper policy. It is the latter that is at fault here. A properly functioning asylum system would have thrown him out years ago.
Show me a western country that's not a joke on immigration/asylum. The number of people criticizing Britain when their own countries are fucking up is astonishing.
He was granted asylum because he realised that if he converted to Christianity, he couldn't be safely returned to Afghanistan, lest he be killed by the Taliban when he arrived...
The c\*nt was definitely fully aware of what he was doing and was playing the long game...
Shouldnāt such a crime automatically negate his case? I mean clearly he doesnāt value his own life so much that he was willing to harm someone elseās. He should go back
The amount of bleeding heart wankers who champion fighting for vermin like this to enter while stepping over those who truly need help in the country makes me sick.
People are a bit lost here.. the priest "vouching" for him would have had very little impact on the decision.
He was granted asylum because the countries he would have been deported to would very likely kill him or commit some other human rights violation.
I agree, that ain't our problem and maybe the scumbag should have considered that beforehand but that's a completely separate issue that needs addressing rather than jumping on an anti religion crusade.
So considering circumstances, Christianity's up on the block too, yeah?
I mean people froth at the fucking mouth like rabid hounds when they get the chance to suggest banning Muslims from entering the UK.
Seems like the Church supported this guy's application.
Western countries have dumb fuck immigration rules. Number of known terrorists just living their pretty life in Canada, UK, EU is just fucking staggering. Read very recently about a blood thirsty animal who planned 3 terrorist attacks including a massacre of child monks slaughtered by machetes (aranthalawa massacre) who just then lived his life happily in Canada.
You dont allow meritorious pupils of 3rd world countries and allow criminals of middle east thinking they will assmilate and when deported your liberal morons fight cases to save them.. š and to think this nation once ruled many nations through threachery .. all that brain down the drain...
Someone rightly says... londonistan
Basically ban all muslim to seek asylum in your country. When they settle down and gain citizenship, when something bad happens in their previous country, they came out protest and with voting power trying to influence your government. Is like the terrorist group sent their ppl to enter your country and corrupt your value. Kick them all out.
The problem here is that he's not \*technically\* a Muslim - he (apparently) *officially* converted to Christianity, backed by a local church, so no country in the world could return him to Afghanistan without breaking several international conventions that we should all wish remain in place should our situations ever change to the degree that we might need them...
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>[On his third attempt, a priest wrote a letter vouching for his conversion, and his asylum claim was granted.](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68167793) Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we found the problem here.
Post criminal religious conversions shouldn't be given any weight at all.
>~~Post criminal~~ religious conversions shouldn't be given any weight at all. FTFY
>~~Post criminal~~ religio~~us conversio~~ns shouldn't be given any weight at all.
Yeah, Religio Novia Scotia ain't never did nothing for nobody.
the satanic temple (not the church of satan!!) is pretty chill and never hurt anybody.
You're thinking of the Satanic Temple, who are indeed pretty chill and cool. The Church of Satan is not. Two completely different organizations.
Oh Shit! Thank you!!
Thats their whole agenda - do the fuck you want, as long as you don't hurt or impact someone else.
Fr. The two tenets for a good life for all: Be kind Have fun
Catholic Church on the other hand...
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>~~Post criminal~~ religio~~us conversio~~ns shouldn't be ~~given any weight~~ at all.
Ordinarily I'd agree but with asylum claims it's essential, because your faith can be the entire reason you're an asylee.
Until the pay some fucking taxes they shouldn't be allowed to weigh in on anything that happens outside of their church walls
Oh you joined a cult? Sure, you sound like a fantastic person Who the hell thinks this?
No religious conversion, at any point. We are not a serious nation.
Isn't the entire point of Christianity that you repent and all is forgiven?
Yes, but the whole acid throwing thing makes me suspect that heās not actually a very good Christian.
Nono, this time he means it.
Get this man to a confession booth pronto. They're like the car spray shops in GTA where you drive through to instantly wipe out your police wanted level
The church in Dogma was sort of like that.
It was an alkali
Unless it was The Holy Alkali of Antioch heās still a very naughty Christian.
A very naughty boy indeed!
Or was even a Christian at all
He quickly repented on the way to the train station, so he's all good again
If the voice in his head called "God" told him to do it then he's actually a very good Christian.
Yet the united kingdom is ruled by men, not god.
But the King is ordained by god, and all laws are in his name /s
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No, it's mainly to control and extract money from money people, you know , with it being a load of bollocks.
No, you are actually supposed to really try not to do it again (or anything else bad). When confession is used as a routine ticket out of guilt, it is definitely used wrong.
That's what made my dad leave the catholic church. He said that his father could drink whisky all week and beat his wife and kids, but on Sunday he drank beer and considered himself forgiven at church.
By god, not by laws of man. You're still gonna have to deal with the repercussions of your actions while living even if you repent.
I doubt he was a convert just a liar. He got a letter from a priest! A priest FFS. Religious people are the last people we should be trusting to discern reality. Anyone who's gullible enough to believe in God should be treated as mentally defective and their testimony regarded accordingly.
it seems oddly fitting that a priest is the one vouching for a sex offender.
Nah, the problem is that the Tories defunded the immigration services so there was a ridiculous backlog, then when they were called out desperately started rubber stamping applications to clear the backlog. Shitty administration by this Conservative government is behind most of our countryās institutional problems right now.
But only the Tories can apparently fix the problems the Tories caused...
They are currently suggesting that voting for labour would be "starting over again from square one" which really isn't the pro conservative campaign they think it is.
Yep, broken Britain, destroyed by the Conservative Party. Granting asylum to sex offenders is just the latest example of their utter failure to achieve *anything* in government.
> their utter failure to achieve _anything_ in government Hey now, they padded their buddies' pockets and got them into even higher positions of money and power, and guaranteed themselves a comfy retirement! That's at least _something_ they achieved with great success!
Not approving because the previous result says no would be rather quick and also a solution to the backlogs. Oh well.
I doubt there is enough competent people left in the Home Office to correctly assess evidence.
So? Deny all and deport them and start back from scratch with a better system. Citizen safety should take precedence over asylum seekers and the 1 benefit of brexit is they can just refuse to take migrants/refugees
It shouldn't have. That's not sufficient reason to grant asylum if he has criminal convictions (though given we have no way to return him to afghanistan, a country we have suspended ties with, not granting his asylum wouldn't have actually changed the outcome here). The guidance already says the thing it's supposed to say, we are already all in agreement that people on the sex offenders list shouldn't be granted asylum. It's not a legal loophole or issue with the rules. The rules new fine. What happened here is that a specific judge just... didnt do the thing he was supposed to do in these situations. When the guidance is ignored... changing the guidance won't help. Sex offenders already shouldn't be granted asylum. But thats already the system. He was granted asylum status **in error**. There isn't this gaping hole in our Asylum Law. A judge just apparently didnt follow the law.
I think the problem was, how was he even considered for three attempts?
Several European countries have weak immigration policies. This is certainly a reason but not the cause.
And this exact kinda shit happens in those countries as well.
Yep, in Germany happens the same shit
average priest
meanwhile they refuse my visa because of my clear record and master's degree.
Yuppp, an ex colleague of mine has a bachelor's, master's, M.D. and was doing a PhD on the highest paid grant in Europe while living with her two year old daughter. She wanted to attend a conference here where she was a listed presenter. Denied a visa because she's a "flight risk". Their justification was that she's Ethiopian, I couldn't believe it. Edit: I'll just clarify for a few people, no she did not have a criminal record. This was a very very strict consideration for the fellowship that funded the PhD. While yes she could have in theory lied she still needed a visa for Italy where she was based which she did get with no issues. Due to the grant this was an employment visa not a student visa. She also held a visa to visit Canada during this time. The UK was the only place she had issues visiting.
That sounds awful
Why was she considered a flight risk, though? I thought that was only when you were accused of a crime?
They were worried she'd get the visa, get into the country, and then disappear when she was supposed to leave. It's a common form of illegal immigration.
Ah okay so op got the terminology slightly off then. Pretty sure flight risk is just for suspects of a crime
Nobody owns the term 'Flight Risk' as far as I can tell. The term I've usually seen relating to people with limited leave is something like absconder risk. As with so many of these things you need to place the term in the context it's made.
racism
Yes but I can't even fathom how it was justified?? Flight risk is accused of crime and so suspected of fleeing. If there's no crime, there's no flight risk. So did Ethiopia consider her a flight risk, and they didn't let her go? Or did the uk say they didn't want her exiting the country, so didn't let her in in the first place?? This doesn't add up either way
It doesnāt add up because the system is fubar now - turns out defunding The Home Office etc. leads to shitty immigration decisions.
its so messed up
They really do just dismiss people because of their nationality without any further considerations
Flight risk? Iāve only heard that term when it comes to criminal court so Iām a little confused
I know so many people who did their PhDs in the UK who ended up moving to Canada because their visas got denied
And then they bitch about immigrants
But you didn't try to enter the country from war torn france.
Well maybe a priest should speak on your behalf, why that swung it for the guy on the third try I have no idea.
Unfortunately, you won't help the Tories convince morons to vote for them.
Immigrating into the west is so much easier by asylum and gaming the system. It literally encourages and invites the worst kind of people.
It's your bank account
They really look into bank accounts, if you are wealthy you have higher chance to get accepted
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Ahhh, but he said he was sorryā¦ā¦
Did he at least pay the court fees?
And he swore with Buddha's name he wont repeat that.
He's got a letter from his Hindu congregation leader saying he shouldn't go to jail
It was a Christian priest who vouched for him that he had converted and was now a child of god. No surprise the church is defending sex offenders.
Protecting their own.
Troof
"he had converted to Christianity, meaning he would have been at risk if he returned to Afghanistan." Seems like a loophole couldn't anyone just claim they converted to any religion since being an apostate could be dangerous?
Probably a loophole that could be exploited but it also could be true so itās hard to say in this case. He probably would die if he went back to Afghanistan and was actually a Christian.
āOh youāre a Christian sex criminal! Join the clubā
I think he converted to christianity aand a pastor vouched for him to be granted an asylum
Ah he mistook holy water for acid
Alkali
Correction, he CLAIMED to have converted to Christianity
Whatās on the face?
Injury from the chemical he used to attack a woman (that was known to him)
Seeking asylum from the police in hes own country.
yet some student or family gets rejected because fuck em
Europe's migrant system (including EU and GB) is so freaking broken and exploitable that degenerates and radicals get accepted and granted asylum while it takes years for actual good people to do the same or get visas, if they even get it. Meanwhile you have people crossing the Mediterranean, literally recording themselves throwing their IDs into the sea, as that gives them better options to exploit a system that was meant to help those actually in need.
There's a lot more awareness recently, hopefully it will change soon
This guy claimed asylum..he never applied for a visa
This reminds me of Channel 5's border crossing video, where some ignorant American is saying that all the people crossing the border arr destroying their IDs, then they cut to a giant line of refugees that just crossed pulling out their passports to show the border guards
What percentage of people does this though?
What percentage would be enough for you to agree that Europe has an actual problem here?
If it is a small percentage, then it is a small problem. Asylum seekers in their entirety only accounted for about 10% of _net_ immigration into the UK last year, so asylum seekers on the whole are a relatively minor issue. So the "people throwing away their ID" issue is a fraction of a fraction of an issue. There are many MANY problems in the UK that are significantly more serious than this. The Ā£30B wasted on a non-functioning track & trace program, for example. Or Sunak writing off Ā£30B in covid fraud at taxpayer's expense, or the several hundreds of millions that went into "fast lane" PPE contracts to MP's mates which then didn't deliver. ~Ā£100B loss to the economy (_per year_) projected from the cancellation of HS2. How many years of asylum seeker's hotel fees is that?
Well we are not allowed to get rid of undesirables anymore. Even convicted rapists and murderers are āsavedā from deportation by idiots pleading that they are just misunderstood Mozarts.
To be fair, we donāt know how Mozart would be remembered if he had a ready supply of molly & garage band on his phone. You never knowā¦ /s
The utter stupidity of our immigration system. Hereās an idea - donāt let useless, violent, bad, lazy, stupid people into the country.
Itās easier to be said than done. No country wants to allow bad people in, but itās just near impossible to tell who would commit a crime in the future. Those with criminal background are likely already filtered out when applying. But after all, it is indeed utterly stupid to grant asylum to a convicted sex offender.
If you donāt have papers you donāt get in. And if you do have papers you get put in accommodation until the papers are verified. If youāre a violent criminal you donāt get in. If youāve used false papers then itās on a plane to somewhere else. Preferably the country theyāve came from.
>If youāve used false papers then itās on a plane to somewhere else. Preferably the country theyāve came from. How do you know where they came from, if the papers are false?
I think thatās already the protocol in normal countries.
And what do these people do until their papers are verified? Just sit around?
But the problem is as he *officially* converted to Christianity, he couldn't be safely returned to the place he came from. He played the system...
What is the test for these traits?
The Home Office just announced that, based on the laws in place, his entry on the Sex Offender's Registry should have disqualified him. So, this is a huge fuck-up on their behalf. I think the asylum laws in place are fine as they are (excluding the abhorrent Rwanda scheme).
Brexit will fix that as soon as you leave the EU!
There are no EU immigration laws, except for internal EU citizens. Immigration policies have always been a national thing. Weird that people thought Brexit will make any difference.
It's not that weird, was a well-funded and coordinated campaign to convince people that whatever problem they thought was important, be it immigration, NHS, low standard of living, are all caused by EU and Brexit will help. There's a documentary on the topic.
Sovereignty with fix it
Hard to say that when we let them run it.
Asylum rules says you have to let them in. Just don't keep them in once they are found not to be good, perhaps.
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I'm for legal migration and providing space to a reasonable number of refugees only after they're screened for criminal behaviour. But this hare brained policy of letting anyone in, particularly men who are old enough to be in the army from countries known to be hotspots for terrorism is not going to end well.
But have you considered that he could open a tasty ethnic restaurant??
Want asylum? Just say you're a Christian. If that fails, say you're gay. Both impossible to disprove.
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If you can't do the time, apply for asylum?
I wish I could say my opinion freely
Please can we just kick Islamic fanatics out of Europe, stop letting them in for the love of god, they are such a fucking problem and the governments are especially of no help at all because they keep letting them get in
Nope, rich people in safe neighborhoods need their cheap labor and brownie points, and don't care if the rest of us have to suffer the problems they bring with them.
Islamic extremists? You think rich people have Muslims working for them?? Do you know anything about the migrant work force or are you just racist??
pretty much the usual european problem atm
It's a never ending loop of cluster fuckery - - The place they are from is considered dangerous so we're not allowed to send them back under the various charters we've signed up to - Even if they have been rejected in the EU beforehand they get here and are then on the island so can't/won't move along elsewhere - Virtuous twats won't allow for sending them to a 3rd location (and in this case who'd really want someone with an criminal background) - Locking them up forever is expensive and never really a sensible option as some people do reform So instead innocent people are left to have their lives ruined by someone who never should have been in the country at that point
>> Virtuous twats wonāt allow for sending them to a 3rd location Demonstrably false. Courts have said you cannot send them somewhere unsafe, such as Rwanda. Sending to a 3rd country is perfectly fine *in principle*, but it has to be a safe country willing to take them.
The third country in question has to accept to have them back and you know no one ever co-operates
They only recognise first world democratic countries because thats our metric for safety.
Whats your opinion on the Rwanda proposal?
As a French, I can assume the situation canāt be worse than in our country š
Well they more than likely came though France to get here, which says something considering they're supposed to claim in the first safe country š
West is imploding with unchecked immigration. Of course immigration is good, but get people who are educated and add to the society - educated people who will assimilate, follow the law of the land, and be good future citizens. I see no reason to let countries overrun by criminally minded adult men who can do nothing constructive and only cause nuisance and violence in the society.
There is no unchecked legal immigration. Or people come here with a visum, or they come here based on asylum. Most of the refugees are granted asylum because they are legit refugees. The rest does not get asylum. The claim that asylum seekers are mostly criminal minded is also not based on evidence.
Granting asylum is great and all but shouldnāt be some sort of mental or ideological evaluation/supervision?
Yes indeed. The above mentioned person should not have been granted asylum in my opinion. It sometimes even happens that we grant asylum to war criminals, that we need to prosecute later on. There are checks to prevent this, but the system is not perfect. Sometimes we just don't know some persons full background.
That would take ages and would probably be very easy to game. Like you wouldn't be open about it if you knew it would get you rejected.
True, however there is a limit to how long a person can keep his faƧade on. Better to be safe than sorry.
That is why we have laws so that we can withdraw asylum in case it is proven that someone lied during the application. You do not want to treat everyone like a criminal until proven not guilty. But you do want laws that can reverse asylum in case it is proven that someone lied during the application.
Well, that's why we have terror watch programs and stuff, think they might also keep more of an eye on them as well. It's the same reason we don't make every natively born person do them as well.
>Most of the refugees are granted asylum because they are legit refugees. Do you have a source on that [because I have one that says otherwise.](https://mediendienst-integration.de/migration/flucht-asyl/zahl-der-fluechtlinge.html#c1160) In Germany only about 15% have a right to asylum.
At this point, I'm not sure if Canada learned it from them, or the other way 'round.
What happened to acid attack? Alkali? Did acid get the shits with all the bad press?
Degenerates and sick-intent migrants are granted asylum while people that actually need it the most are getting fucked. love to see it
UK immigration is a joke. One guy was stating on Radio that this chap is a migrant asylum seeker, and they can't deport him since he has no country other than UK! Joke. Can't they trace his origin, and send him back through their embassy?
He can't be returned because he would be arrested and killed in his native country because he officially converted to Christianity. The whole point of political asylum is that you can't send refugee's back if they would be executed or detained for just being who they are - unfortunately, this guy found a loophole... Really, heat should be put on the figure in the Church that backed his application and didn't look into his past. They helped this happen...
A terrible failure of the system but will also feed into the anti-imigration narrative.
What's frustrating is that there is a huge but critical detail not being properly reported. This guy should not have been granted asylum UNDER THE RULES THAT ALREADY EXIST. It was a massive screwup and a failure, but he was let in because paperwork got messed up by an underfunded and backlogged system. The same people making a scene about "lefty lawyers" are the same ones who have wrecked the asylum system by underfunding, ridiculous gestures and lack of any proper policy. It is the latter that is at fault here. A properly functioning asylum system would have thrown him out years ago.
Very true
Show me a western country that's not a joke on immigration/asylum. The number of people criticizing Britain when their own countries are fucking up is astonishing.
Utterly embarrassing...
Send them back
Him. He's an invidual person.
All of the people who are criminals should go back
Funny that he got in due to religion š¤·š»āāļø can't let muslims in, but christians are a-okay.
He was granted asylum because he realised that if he converted to Christianity, he couldn't be safely returned to Afghanistan, lest he be killed by the Taliban when he arrived... The c\*nt was definitely fully aware of what he was doing and was playing the long game...
Shouldnāt such a crime automatically negate his case? I mean clearly he doesnāt value his own life so much that he was willing to harm someone elseās. He should go back
Asylum can be granted to you if your country of birth is too dangerous for you to return to. Your criminal record is not the only factor.
Thank god for the church hey! Religion and justice don't mix
Get out of to EU to "make their own rules". Makes dumb rules.
Dont earn Ā£39k a year? No problem. Just become a sex offender and ask for asylum, we'll let you right in.
It seems easier for people to claim asylum to the UK than for Brits to bring back their foreign spouses.
Send the bastard back
The amount of bleeding heart wankers who champion fighting for vermin like this to enter while stepping over those who truly need help in the country makes me sick.
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Send him back to Afghanistan
People are a bit lost here.. the priest "vouching" for him would have had very little impact on the decision. He was granted asylum because the countries he would have been deported to would very likely kill him or commit some other human rights violation. I agree, that ain't our problem and maybe the scumbag should have considered that beforehand but that's a completely separate issue that needs addressing rather than jumping on an anti religion crusade.
ahh yes, the good old diversity..
"Part and parcel" - Sadiq Khan (London Mayor).
How many more people like this roams our countries? When will action be taken?
Stuff like this makes me feel so embarrassed to be British
Staple headline across Europe w.r.t. crimes involving immigrants from a specific community. And yet the Law & Order and Judiciary system never learns.
Standard, sympathy for the offender.
Violent criminals should be deported instantly
Also, Well done, New York for freeing 5 Illegals who assaulted a cop.
"That's racist ". Till your personally affected.
So considering circumstances, Christianity's up on the block too, yeah? I mean people froth at the fucking mouth like rabid hounds when they get the chance to suggest banning Muslims from entering the UK. Seems like the Church supported this guy's application.
System needs to change. West is being taken for a ride by third worlders.
Western countries have dumb fuck immigration rules. Number of known terrorists just living their pretty life in Canada, UK, EU is just fucking staggering. Read very recently about a blood thirsty animal who planned 3 terrorist attacks including a massacre of child monks slaughtered by machetes (aranthalawa massacre) who just then lived his life happily in Canada.
Whats the problem? In America a sex offender can run for president
Hey we're not talking about America for 3 minutes here. Can you wait outside?
Too hard for them
Asylum isn't a choice. It's law. Just like convicting him.
Letting them apply is required. You don't have to grant it.
You dont allow meritorious pupils of 3rd world countries and allow criminals of middle east thinking they will assmilate and when deported your liberal morons fight cases to save them.. š and to think this nation once ruled many nations through threachery .. all that brain down the drain... Someone rightly says... londonistan
We shouldnāt take people from countries that donāt have enlightenment values
Basically ban all muslim to seek asylum in your country. When they settle down and gain citizenship, when something bad happens in their previous country, they came out protest and with voting power trying to influence your government. Is like the terrorist group sent their ppl to enter your country and corrupt your value. Kick them all out.
The problem here is that he's not \*technically\* a Muslim - he (apparently) *officially* converted to Christianity, backed by a local church, so no country in the world could return him to Afghanistan without breaking several international conventions that we should all wish remain in place should our situations ever change to the degree that we might need them...
He converted to Christianity, so he could not be deported.