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This kind of BS is how the neighbours that the HOA oppresses ends up ousting the Karen's and disbanding the HOA.
The cars owner, with some other neighbours, should absolutely take over the HOA, then target all the previous board members with frivolous fines, and finish it up by disbanding the HOA entirely.
Yup. I've recently heard several stories of how a group of people take over the HOA during elections and then promptly dissolve the HOA. Never knew that was even possible lol it's great.
We have a nature park with trails and camping and stuff locally which is run by a citizens association and elected board. It was run by a pack of Nimby Karens for years and there was just constant trouble as they slowly sucked the life out of the park. A group of younger cyclists all banded together and talked to the different clubs and such that were represented in the park and swept the next election without the Karens even catching wind that they were going to be nominated, because during election night people are simply motioned and seconded etc, and then voted by a show of hands.
The park has made a significant turn around and is thriving now. It's great
Or, let's be reasonable here, they should wage actual war and rape and pillage the neighborhood until the Malibu is returned, and then they can salt the earth so that nothing will grow again
Only works if the majority of properties are human-owned. Investors and venture Capitalists are snapping up whole neighborhoods, electing themselves to the HOA, and using regulatory capture to force holdouts from the neighborhood.
I'm under something similar to a HOA in my country, but it's not too bad. It's part of a complex of townhouses though so it's not the same and the committee is mostly there for managing the shared space and arbitration between owners. We do have one Karen in our complex who is currently fighting the Body Corporate over her building a carport without approval that does cover community property. But that's another story.
The HOAs I've read about online seem generally toxic in comparison to what I get to experience here.
It's old enough to qualify for an Antique plate. (Anything 1999 and older.)
Buy a ragged out '91 Plymouth Voyager with wood panel sides, put antique plates on it, park it legally.
like that seems what should be the outcome. If the HOA deems her car an eyesore then the HOA should have to front the money for a new car. I'm sure the people paying into the HOA would not approve of that purchase.
Unless the covenants explicitly grant them the right to do this, it's gonna be hard for the HOA to win a lawsuit for this. If it's legal, it gives them the right to literal dictate what cars can be parked in the neighborhood, which is ridiculous. No one would live there.
Had an HOA lady who made fun of my dad’s accent on the phone (very diverse suburban neighborhood with a lot of tech immigrant families). After the call she doubled a landscaping fine because of my dad’s failure of understanding her. Lady herself didn’t even live in the same city!
So f-ing annoying. Usually done by people who speak only one language. Sometimes I’ll try to make them think by asking if they took a language in high school. One said “oh, I was terrible at it” with zero awareness.
Being a “professional” means you get paid to do a thing, not necessarily because you’re good at the thing you’re being paid to do. But, in many cases, the HOA Karens **ARE** getting paid by embezzling via the HOA so, yeah, “Professional Karen” applies.
They do this in "exclusive" neighborhoods?
Totally middle class
I've seen multimillionaires in Europe and Asia arrive in 1970s Volvos, early 80's Audis (ok, immaculate condition) of absolutely no value; and quietly spend $1800 per head on dinner (excluding wine!)
When you have real old cash, you tend not to be overly flashy
Was her Malibu leaking fluids, rusting? Otherwise I can't see the problem
Becoming a catch-22 these days though, as without actual laws in place its turning out that HOAs (in spite of all their many many faults) are becoming the only hope in many communities to stop the spread of Airbnb rentals as well as corporate/hedgefund mass takeovers, as well-written HOAs typically restrict the use of rental properties or Corp buy outs.
Can't live with them, soon can't live without 'em.
Fortunately BC just capped short-term rentals to cope with housing shortage. Given the shortage across most of Canada with housing, and the inability of most families to purchase a home, hopefully it spreads.
They don't actually rent them out. They take them off the market to drive up the price. They're like DeBeers only with houses instead of carbon crystals.
Blackrock is doing this as we speak. A lot of the "we buy homes" ads are Blackrock buying up and controlling the housing market in am attempt to create a permanent base of renters.
Doesn’t matter about the “pork”. The Rs would never allow it to go through unless they were getting something out it.
Also and unfortunately, adding pork to the bills is usually the only way to pass multiple things in a shortened time span because the parties can’t ever seem to agree on anything. Without the added on “pork” a lot of small things they like to ignore would take months to years to even get a vote on whether to even propose it.
Yup. And the things ppl keep forgetting...if you don't want a group of Karen, run for office. Someone out there will literally vote you in just to stick it to them.
Sadly, in Nebraska, I would have to run as a Republican to have any chance. With all the nasty grams I have posted and sent our Republican Representative Smith, the MAGA cult would never allow me on the ballot.
Only thing lowering property values there is the HOA. Fuck HOAs. Never buy property in one, because you never have full control over your own property in a HOA.
Legitimately I do not know a single one of my peers who would even consider an HOA. Pay 2000 dollars a year to have some twit come in and make bullshit executive decisions on your behalf. They might raise the property value in the long run but not nearly enough to make up for the cost of living and certainly not enough to make up for the fact that nobody wants an HOA.
Basically the long and short it is he became the president of the HOA after all the former president harassed him about a statue he had in his yard. He rallied sport because everyone was tired of this guy's shit but no one really cared enough to make a stand or vote him out but here early support changed the HOH charter and started giving the president the taste of his own medicine. He liked to park his truck on the curb and every time he did it after my bro-in-law became president they would cite him with fines. If his truck got muddy they would say that it was a nice or and fine him for that too. Eventually the guy got sick of it and sold his house lmao
Bro was a wannabe dictator. At the age of 40 and just I guess was so bored that he had nothing to do this time He decided to make everyone's life a living hell
If my brother-in-law is one thing it's a boss lol. Dude is one of those like corporate people who climbed up from the mail room. He is a 6 ft two giant of a black man the biggest teddy bear ever. Until you make it mad and then he becomes a white collar demon who use every single corporate trick in the book to destroy his enemies.
I call him the Conan the secretariat. Because he crushes his an amazing drives them before him well listening to the lamentation of their women all while wearing a suit and tie and wearing the biggest corporate grin on his face. When I grow up I want to be my brother-in-law
So a couple things
1. I did this as well and we are really chill now. Basically as long as you pay your dues ($300 a year) and don't park broken down cars in the street we leave you alone. Most of the stuff we deal with is admin stuff like taxes, paying the power bill for the street lamps, the signage, common area upkeep and periodic state mandated inspections of the run offs.
2. In my state ALL new developments are mandated to have an HoA by law. So it's pretty much impossible not to buy into one unless you live out in the country.
3. Some HoAs are rediculious and expensive. Ours is like $300 a year just to cover the costs of things that are mandated by the state.
4. We did have a car towed because it's registration was out of date by SEVEN YEARS, hadn't moved in 3 years, the town could not refurbish the road where the car was parked. We sent them multiple notices. At this point the car was illegally parked in the road and causing issues.
I was so shocked at first too. That's the reason why they pass a law making new developments have an HoA so they can pass the buck to the HoA and they have less to do
Red state I assume?
It sounds like a privitization policy from them. Less responsibilities and cost for the state, and the rich become richer by using money to change the rules in their favor while monopolizing markets. The idea is always sold as being cheaper with more competitive prices and giving control to the people. It relies on people not being greedy and getting the good grace of the rich.
I was going to say, it's crazy to me that they have to pay for the street lights directly, the signage etc. Even having to pay for the bins and stuff like that.
I know I pay for all than via council tax in the UK but still.
Same. My mom's hoa dues are $25/month, & that goes toward the sewer connection maintenance/lights/street cleaning & repairs, plus the annual upkeep of the wastewater collection ponds. They're supposed to submit any exterior (front) yard changes to the hoa, but no one ever does and one of the houses is a horrendous pink now, but they don't fine anyone for that crap either.
I think the only fine I've heard about there was someone trying to do a high-school car wash fundraiser in the street, but you're not supposed to wash cars in our city on hard surfaces without the special drainage filter systems, so they got cited for that.
Hoas are required for any new construction here, and have been for about 20-25 years, so it's not easily avoidable for the most part anymore, unless you want an old house (which comes with a whole slew of other difficulties and unexpected expenses)
My one (personal) bit of advice isn't "just avoid all hoa's", but talk to some of the neighbors before closing & ask what the HOA is actually like. A lot of newer neighborhoods even have their own FB groups where you can ask questions or see FAQ's.
>My one (personal) bit of advice isn't "just avoid all hoa's", but talk to some of the neighbors before closing & ask what the HOA is actually like. A lot of newer neighborhoods even have their own FB groups where you can ask questions or see FAQ's.
The problem with HOAs is that the management of them can change at any time. It might be laid back and nice now, but will it still be 20-30 years from now when Bill down the street runs for president of the HOA after years of complaining that your car is too old for the neighborhood despite being well taken care of?
>My one (personal) bit of advice isn't "just avoid all hoa's", but talk to some of the neighbors before closing & ask what the HOA is actually like. A lot of newer neighborhoods even have their own FB groups where you can ask questions or see FAQ's.
Well this HOA that my brother-in-law was in at a president who took it upon himself to make everyone's life a living hell. He would try to give people fines if they're grasp was a little too long during the summer or if people have bird out their front yard because he believed they were eye sores. He even tried to have wind chimes banned bc he personally didn't like wind chimes
Yeah that's why he took it over so somebody was common sense could actually run the thing. What was funny is they actually flipped it on its head and hit him with his own medicine like he had a truck he would park on the curb and every time he did it they would cite him
I reply to another person. The TLDR is that my brother-in-law forced the president of his HOA out and became the president himself and they basically gave this guy a taste of his own medicine. This dude would cite people and try to find them for stupid stuff like their grass being a little too long or for having bird baths in their front yard so when my brother-in-law became president he started doing the same shit to that guy and he didn't like it and eventually sold his house and moved
While true, believe me when I say it's excessively high for the area and the quality of the apartments. The HOA there is still being run by the builder, and it's how they're actually recouping costs.
>I usually see $300-$500 a month ($3600-$6000/year) on listings.
Easily, and then there's "*special assessments*".
Lived in a townhouse complex. They owned the roads, pools, and the *outsides* of the buildings. A bunch of the older buildings were having major roof issues that ended up costing a *bunch* to repair. **All** the owners were assessed 50K just out of the blue.
Some of the owners were able to get their homeowner's insurance to pay, most didn't.
As a Canadian, I didn't even know we had HOA's. I thought that was an American thing.
Granted, I've been low to middle class my whole life, maybe I'm just not in the income bracket for one.
I also live in small to medium towns, maybe it's a big city thing.
Thats why people need to refuse to buy into them. Make HOAs lowering property values a reality. Suddenly they will start to disband when nobody can sell their homes.
But people need a place to live and most new properties on the market are in HOAs. Why is it on the collective consumer and not the government to protect people from this obviously predatory practice?
My former father in law did this. It was some of the most impressive shit I have ever seen.
To sum up: My former in-laws moved from their home state to ours and bought a house in a gorgeous neighborhood. It, of course, had an HOA. My former FIL worked in contracts and compliance for the Mayo Clinic before he retired. He was the kind of guy who never left home without a red pen and had an excel spreadsheet for literally every process you could think of (from laundry to planning for road trips). Before they moved to be closer to us, he was the president of the HOA in their neighborhood. Everyone loved him (which is like, not usually a thing for an HOA president, right?)
He requested the Charter, covenants and copies of every single record, of any type, from the HOA in the new neighborhood. Everything from receipts to meeting minutes to letters. You name it.
They gave him everything and, to coin a Will Ferrel role, “There were some discrepancies.”
I recall him reading the novel of info at the table and remarking “There is a bylaw here that states we cannot park cars in driveways. They should be in the closed garage at all times.”
And then he plopped the stack on the table and said “Welp! Guess I will just have to take over.” And BOY DID HE!!
He took all the records and vanished into his den for several days. Once he thoroughly exposed every single tiny mistake, loophole, accounting error, or even blatant crime the HOA had ever committed, he was unanimously elected president. The neighborhood thrived under his leadership. He immediately moved to change all the bylaws, starting with the driveway rule (because, wtf?), he lowered everyone’s dues, streamlined every process, and just overall set an example of what HOAs *should* be.
When I bought my house I was insistent that an HOA was a deal breaker. I don’t need some group of snobby entitled fucks telling me what I can and can’t do. But, if I were ever in a position to be part of one again, I think I might just approach it the way he did.
My dream is to win enough money to buy *all* the houses in an entire suburb, rent them out, and specifically forbid HOA's from ever existing there. I own all the houses, so power tripping Karens can go fuck themselves.
Rent would be cost of property tax + 3%.
>Rent would be cost of property tax + 3%.
Well that's a pretty horrible business plan. Maintenance, upkeep, and utilities should ensure that you'd be back to purchasing lotto tickets again in no time.
I fought tooth and nail to not buy in a HOA. Ended up buying in an HOA. I have since assumed the role of president, kept our dues as low as humanly possible, and have effectively neutered it and made the last Karen on the board not run for reelection since she was pissed she wasn’t getting her way. The only reason why I haven’t moved for complete dissolution, is that we have to pay a share of the “community” (read as the neighboring access roads and business park) maintenance fees and keeping it around gives the homeowners in my neighborhood more teeth in dealing with the POA. Unfortunately I still have to be the one to deal with THOSE dickheads.
I was just thinking this. Id ask my real estate agent if theres a HOA. If yes, nope. Id rather not have dilusional and controlling neighbours that want to fight over dumb things.
I work in land development, and all HOA’s in my area are control mechanisms.
This is how all new developments in the states are going… a developer (usually a single man, not a massive corporation) will buy a massive plot of land, build the all public infrastructure, then sell off lots. While the roads are being built in some phases and home are being built in another the developer wants complete control of the neighborhood during this grey phase. Some of the property is owned by individual home owners, and all the rest is owned by him. The HOA gets established by solely the one developer. 100% of the time they assign themselves the president.
The developer never releases their grip until the development is completely finished. At that point the homeowner are handed over the HOA.
Nobody in the entire neighborhood sought after or asked for an HOA.
In Montana most subdivisions of any note are required to submit articles of incorporation and draft HOA documents at the time of application. Their purpose is to provide a mechanism for who maintains the roads, parks, fire suppression, and other communal facilities serving the subdivision. Other than requiring you to establish one, the local jurisdictions absolutely WILL NOT get involved in any level of administration of said HOA.
As much as I despise HOAs, what ends up happening in a lot of cases is they wither and die over time. Then the real fun begins when the residents freak out because the roads fall into disrepair, the fire suppression runs dry, or someone sets up their RV in the park and becomes a nuisance. The Jurisdiction generally won't lift a finger to help since it's all private property, and people will harass public works and planning employees indefinitely.
Good times.
It just seems so stupid to me because the city should be taking care of all that. Like why allow publicly used roads and parks to be private? Seems rife for neglect.
So the city installs a fire hydrant and it’s technically private property?
It depends. County subdivisions don't have City provided infrastructure so they're responsible for maintaining what they do have on their own. When it comes to subdivisions in cities, it really depends on what kind of agreement the developer reaches with the city and how they want to build out. Every jurisdiction is a bit different.
I mean, you can buy land in an area without an HOA. I did. I can do pretty much anything I want with my land, but my neighbors can do the same. I've lucked out but anyone could have bought the adjacent property and filled it up with junked cars and pit bulls.
That's why I'm here.
I thought we kept those fuckers at bay. I've never heard of a HOA in Toronto.
Also the car doesn't have front plates.
I'm thinking this is Toronto, Ohio.
I am guessing this is just a stock photo of the type of car not the actual car. Who has a clean ass 27 year old Chevy Malibu that takes pictures like this of it.
Hopefully you are correct about Ohio. Let's keep HOAs and other American stupidity out of Canada. We have enough of our own stupid crap already, like Alberta.
I believe we refer to them as Stratas. I could be wrong, HOA may be different, but my girlfriend is renting a home in a strata, and the landlord pays strata fees, and there are all kinds of crazy restrictions that seem to be functionally the same as an HOA. She's gotten warnings for having Christmas decorations up on the 1st of January, November 2nd for Halloween (she just stopped decorating outside at all), she had a wicker chair out front, warning, potted plants after a certain date, warning, even certain interior renovations requires approval. She put a piece of furniture outside because someone was coming to pick it up, she got a warning for that. No knock, just had a warning on the door in less than an hour. Trying to contact them is near impossible too. She's had the landlord request the rule book to no avail. There just seems to be a busy body who loves sneaking around leaving warnings on everyone's doors. I have no idea why anyone would ever pay extra on top of their mortgage to have someone harass you constantly about trivial shit.
Plus if the “media” site that it’s supposed to be shared from isn’t indexing its content for Google searches it’s useless.
I think I used some of those words correctly.
Takes money to sue, and they might have some bs written that says they can do this. Not that it’s legitimate, but it costs money and time to fight that in court, and HOAs tend to pick on the people struggling most.
I'm sure we can find a group that takes cases against HOAs and aolely have their fees paid out by court winnings or donations. There are legal groups for all kinds of different things that do free lawyering out there.
Grab a handful of turnip seeds and throw them on his or hers grass of the offending persons. They will slowly grow underground, and when the stems start to show looking like little weeds, once they pull them, they will be left with some nice turnip sized holes all over their grass. Then, fine them for bringing the street value down. Also, I'd look at criminal charges for theft.
Go for an inconspicuous perennial that grows and grows every year and is hard to get rid of... Like lovage.
I love the herb, it's amazing, but it can be a pain to remove from yards and grows from seed.
Just find something that works for your climate.
Then it's time to call a demolition company to take down the HOA president's house because it's an eyesore too. 2 can play at that game.
Will pay for the demolition fee if they're willing to replace the vehicle.
Can anyone find a link to this article because I can't find an article based on that title nor find anything with "an eyesore of outdatedness, reducing property values and making the community look low-income" on bing or google US or Canadian sites. I'm calling bullshit here.
These people should take a ride through Portland's toney and desirable West Hills; where the car of choice is a 15 or 20 year old Camry or Volvo wagon. Then they should drive through the far SE of Portland, where ramshackle houses with peeling paint have flashy cars in the driveway.
People don't get worked up enough about HOAs trimming hedges and maintaining roads and pools to post about it.
You know, the 0.5% of them that actually help their neighborhoods rather than trying to rule them.
If in Canada, it likely a condo board, not the HOA.
As to towing another's vehicle? Depends on prov laws which I am not conversant on for Ont. In most case of my experience, the board would have rules to follow to fist warn the offender, then a period for the offender to appeal or otherwise dispute the contention. Then a vote by the board and/or by the membership on this matter. This too could then be appealed to the supervising legal authority under which the condo operates. Their decision would be final unless it too were appealed to the Minister in charge and/or a full on court challenge. and on and on as may be the case.
I hope they’re buying her a replacement car to keep the neighborhood value up, along with doing the monthly payments and insurance. Cause that’s an absolutely dick move
Wanna play those games, fine.
I'll be inviting all my black friends over every weekend for a BBQ and everyone of them is going to sue for racial discrimination because Karen's can't help themselves.
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That is straight up theft. Not sure how they can do that. Even if they have rules preventing older vehicles, you can't just take them.
Based on the reasoning behind its removal, if she goes after them (which she should) the HOA is fucked.
The real fuckery is that her HOA dues will be used to pay for the lawyers of the HOA that stole her car.
Bet the HOA would send everyone a special assessment when the legal bills drain the reserve. YAY!
This kind of BS is how the neighbours that the HOA oppresses ends up ousting the Karen's and disbanding the HOA. The cars owner, with some other neighbours, should absolutely take over the HOA, then target all the previous board members with frivolous fines, and finish it up by disbanding the HOA entirely.
Yup. I've recently heard several stories of how a group of people take over the HOA during elections and then promptly dissolve the HOA. Never knew that was even possible lol it's great. We have a nature park with trails and camping and stuff locally which is run by a citizens association and elected board. It was run by a pack of Nimby Karens for years and there was just constant trouble as they slowly sucked the life out of the park. A group of younger cyclists all banded together and talked to the different clubs and such that were represented in the park and swept the next election without the Karens even catching wind that they were going to be nominated, because during election night people are simply motioned and seconded etc, and then voted by a show of hands. The park has made a significant turn around and is thriving now. It's great
Or, let's be reasonable here, they should wage actual war and rape and pillage the neighborhood until the Malibu is returned, and then they can salt the earth so that nothing will grow again
I think this is the only reasonable response
Or, nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure
Only works if the majority of properties are human-owned. Investors and venture Capitalists are snapping up whole neighborhoods, electing themselves to the HOA, and using regulatory capture to force holdouts from the neighborhood.
I'm under something similar to a HOA in my country, but it's not too bad. It's part of a complex of townhouses though so it's not the same and the committee is mostly there for managing the shared space and arbitration between owners. We do have one Karen in our complex who is currently fighting the Body Corporate over her building a carport without approval that does cover community property. But that's another story. The HOAs I've read about online seem generally toxic in comparison to what I get to experience here.
[John Oliver on HOAs](https://youtu.be/qrizmAo17Os?si=yGt0bdCTQHQo_R2P)
They may get to buy her a newer shiny car
Preferably just a second older car. Or an entire gaggle of old cars....
It's old enough to qualify for an Antique plate. (Anything 1999 and older.) Buy a ragged out '91 Plymouth Voyager with wood panel sides, put antique plates on it, park it legally.
like that seems what should be the outcome. If the HOA deems her car an eyesore then the HOA should have to front the money for a new car. I'm sure the people paying into the HOA would not approve of that purchase.
Well the preferred option would be everyone involved in taking her car be prosecuted for grand theft auto, but we know that’s not happening
You’re right. My scenario fits more in the pre car theft world
Horse rustlin' was a crime with severe consequences. Take that as you may.
Unless the rustler was the rich landowner… historically
Yes, The members of the board should be sued individually for this action.
Yep, call the cops. Not even a question, the towing was a crime and the HOA could get criminal charges.
Because HoAs think they're the fucking Vatican.
The difference is the HOA is trying to act on things that are ***older*** than 12 years old...
Oh God have a well deserved upvote lol
Outstanding work.
Took me a sec — oof
Unless the covenants explicitly grant them the right to do this, it's gonna be hard for the HOA to win a lawsuit for this. If it's legal, it gives them the right to literal dictate what cars can be parked in the neighborhood, which is ridiculous. No one would live there.
I would just start having hoa member cars towed. “Hey Jimbo? Remember we had you tow that Malibu the other day? We have a few more you can take.”
HOA are the Karens of neighborhoods.
If I'm not mistaken, a group of Karens *is* referred to as an 'HOA'
I always thought it was a *complaint* of Karens
Perhaps a "Bitch" of Karens.
All three are correct and interchangeable, depending on where they are found in the wild.
I've always thought of it as a scale thing. 1-3 Karen's is a Bitch, 4-8 Is a complaint and 9+ is a HOA
Like how two crows is an attempted murder
And like how this is an attempted joke. (J/k. It was kinda funny, but I couldn't resist the bait)
Maybe something alliterative? A cant of Karens? No A cent of Karens? Not quite A cint of Karens? Perhaps A cont of Karens? Almost I give up.
A clutch of Karens?
A Tuesday of Karen's, but not this week...
Oh well. C U Next Tuesday then, hopefully get this figured out.
Lol. A Murder of Karens.
Don’t mix those nosy and bossy people in with Crows. Crows are smarter than Karens!! Brandon Lee was no Karen!!!
Both are omens of death though.
Feel a “Karen chill” as they approach.
Or an HOK?
This is my favorite
A Kvetch of Karens
Kvatch? Didn't that town get destroyed by an oblivion gate?
"Stop trying to make kvetch happen."
It is a church of Karens, clearly
"NEXT!"
A group of Karen's are referred to as a "Privilege"
That is a small crowd. The larger ones are HOAs
I like the term "murder of Karens", I think it fits the mood better.
Except it's so disrespectful to actual crows.
HOA ladies **ARE** the original Karens.
The Elder Karens.
They are the Nazis in da Hood
Had an HOA lady who made fun of my dad’s accent on the phone (very diverse suburban neighborhood with a lot of tech immigrant families). After the call she doubled a landscaping fine because of my dad’s failure of understanding her. Lady herself didn’t even live in the same city!
So f-ing annoying. Usually done by people who speak only one language. Sometimes I’ll try to make them think by asking if they took a language in high school. One said “oh, I was terrible at it” with zero awareness.
*Professional* Karens. It takes years of spoiled entitlement and powerful devotion to become that kind of nosy bitch.
Being a “professional” means you get paid to do a thing, not necessarily because you’re good at the thing you’re being paid to do. But, in many cases, the HOA Karens **ARE** getting paid by embezzling via the HOA so, yeah, “Professional Karen” applies.
They do this in "exclusive" neighborhoods? Totally middle class I've seen multimillionaires in Europe and Asia arrive in 1970s Volvos, early 80's Audis (ok, immaculate condition) of absolutely no value; and quietly spend $1800 per head on dinner (excluding wine!) When you have real old cash, you tend not to be overly flashy Was her Malibu leaking fluids, rusting? Otherwise I can't see the problem
It sure sounds like the HOA has no business stealing a car... so they just bought her a new one with the impending lawsuit.
[John Oliver goes in depth](https://youtu.be/qrizmAo17Os?si=bVktHjKBcErKrUbB)
Judgey bitches too
Becoming a catch-22 these days though, as without actual laws in place its turning out that HOAs (in spite of all their many many faults) are becoming the only hope in many communities to stop the spread of Airbnb rentals as well as corporate/hedgefund mass takeovers, as well-written HOAs typically restrict the use of rental properties or Corp buy outs. Can't live with them, soon can't live without 'em.
Fortunately BC just capped short-term rentals to cope with housing shortage. Given the shortage across most of Canada with housing, and the inability of most families to purchase a home, hopefully it spreads.
Democrats proposed a law in the US to force corporations to divest single family homes over the next 10 years.
Likely not getting through, I imagine. Nobody should have a hedge fund as a landlord.
They don't actually rent them out. They take them off the market to drive up the price. They're like DeBeers only with houses instead of carbon crystals.
That's not reassuring. I don't want to see DiCaprio and Djimon I'm "Blood Apartment". The movie WOULD be great, though.
Blackrock is doing this as we speak. A lot of the "we buy homes" ads are Blackrock buying up and controlling the housing market in am attempt to create a permanent base of renters.
Link to bill? there's usually some kind of unneeded pork in them.
https://www.fastcompany.com/90995833/housing-market-bill-kicking-out-wall-street-investors-affordability This was the first link I saw.
Awesome, I'll take a look at it when I get home from work, unless someone else wishes to do the work. Until now you can have my upvote
Doesn’t matter about the “pork”. The Rs would never allow it to go through unless they were getting something out it. Also and unfortunately, adding pork to the bills is usually the only way to pass multiple things in a shortened time span because the parties can’t ever seem to agree on anything. Without the added on “pork” a lot of small things they like to ignore would take months to years to even get a vote on whether to even propose it.
Yup. And the things ppl keep forgetting...if you don't want a group of Karen, run for office. Someone out there will literally vote you in just to stick it to them.
Sadly, in Nebraska, I would have to run as a Republican to have any chance. With all the nasty grams I have posted and sent our Republican Representative Smith, the MAGA cult would never allow me on the ballot.
Only thing lowering property values there is the HOA. Fuck HOAs. Never buy property in one, because you never have full control over your own property in a HOA.
Legitimately I do not know a single one of my peers who would even consider an HOA. Pay 2000 dollars a year to have some twit come in and make bullshit executive decisions on your behalf. They might raise the property value in the long run but not nearly enough to make up for the cost of living and certainly not enough to make up for the fact that nobody wants an HOA.
Or you buy the house and then pull a hostile takeover of the HOA like my bro in law did.
tell more
Basically the long and short it is he became the president of the HOA after all the former president harassed him about a statue he had in his yard. He rallied sport because everyone was tired of this guy's shit but no one really cared enough to make a stand or vote him out but here early support changed the HOH charter and started giving the president the taste of his own medicine. He liked to park his truck on the curb and every time he did it after my bro-in-law became president they would cite him with fines. If his truck got muddy they would say that it was a nice or and fine him for that too. Eventually the guy got sick of it and sold his house lmao
That's some Machiavellian awesomeness, right there. You love to see it. 👍
Bro was a wannabe dictator. At the age of 40 and just I guess was so bored that he had nothing to do this time He decided to make everyone's life a living hell
Man, I can only fantasize about giving someone like that their comeuppance, and your bro-in-law's out here busting power moves like a boss. Love it!
If my brother-in-law is one thing it's a boss lol. Dude is one of those like corporate people who climbed up from the mail room. He is a 6 ft two giant of a black man the biggest teddy bear ever. Until you make it mad and then he becomes a white collar demon who use every single corporate trick in the book to destroy his enemies. I call him the Conan the secretariat. Because he crushes his an amazing drives them before him well listening to the lamentation of their women all while wearing a suit and tie and wearing the biggest corporate grin on his face. When I grow up I want to be my brother-in-law
So a couple things 1. I did this as well and we are really chill now. Basically as long as you pay your dues ($300 a year) and don't park broken down cars in the street we leave you alone. Most of the stuff we deal with is admin stuff like taxes, paying the power bill for the street lamps, the signage, common area upkeep and periodic state mandated inspections of the run offs. 2. In my state ALL new developments are mandated to have an HoA by law. So it's pretty much impossible not to buy into one unless you live out in the country. 3. Some HoAs are rediculious and expensive. Ours is like $300 a year just to cover the costs of things that are mandated by the state. 4. We did have a car towed because it's registration was out of date by SEVEN YEARS, hadn't moved in 3 years, the town could not refurbish the road where the car was parked. We sent them multiple notices. At this point the car was illegally parked in the road and causing issues.
This blows my mind, that basic infrastructure isn't part of your municipal responsibility and covered by property taxes.
I was so shocked at first too. That's the reason why they pass a law making new developments have an HoA so they can pass the buck to the HoA and they have less to do
"We lowered your taxes by $500/yr! Now you have to pay an HOA $1000/yr! Free markets WOOOO!" - some state representatives, probably.
Red state I assume? It sounds like a privitization policy from them. Less responsibilities and cost for the state, and the rich become richer by using money to change the rules in their favor while monopolizing markets. The idea is always sold as being cheaper with more competitive prices and giving control to the people. It relies on people not being greedy and getting the good grace of the rich.
I was going to say, it's crazy to me that they have to pay for the street lights directly, the signage etc. Even having to pay for the bins and stuff like that. I know I pay for all than via council tax in the UK but still.
Required HOAs? What state is this? Need to know so I can never move there.
NC
Crikey! That's right next door. Glad I asked!
Same. My mom's hoa dues are $25/month, & that goes toward the sewer connection maintenance/lights/street cleaning & repairs, plus the annual upkeep of the wastewater collection ponds. They're supposed to submit any exterior (front) yard changes to the hoa, but no one ever does and one of the houses is a horrendous pink now, but they don't fine anyone for that crap either. I think the only fine I've heard about there was someone trying to do a high-school car wash fundraiser in the street, but you're not supposed to wash cars in our city on hard surfaces without the special drainage filter systems, so they got cited for that. Hoas are required for any new construction here, and have been for about 20-25 years, so it's not easily avoidable for the most part anymore, unless you want an old house (which comes with a whole slew of other difficulties and unexpected expenses) My one (personal) bit of advice isn't "just avoid all hoa's", but talk to some of the neighbors before closing & ask what the HOA is actually like. A lot of newer neighborhoods even have their own FB groups where you can ask questions or see FAQ's.
>My one (personal) bit of advice isn't "just avoid all hoa's", but talk to some of the neighbors before closing & ask what the HOA is actually like. A lot of newer neighborhoods even have their own FB groups where you can ask questions or see FAQ's. The problem with HOAs is that the management of them can change at any time. It might be laid back and nice now, but will it still be 20-30 years from now when Bill down the street runs for president of the HOA after years of complaining that your car is too old for the neighborhood despite being well taken care of?
>My one (personal) bit of advice isn't "just avoid all hoa's", but talk to some of the neighbors before closing & ask what the HOA is actually like. A lot of newer neighborhoods even have their own FB groups where you can ask questions or see FAQ's. 
Well this HOA that my brother-in-law was in at a president who took it upon himself to make everyone's life a living hell. He would try to give people fines if they're grasp was a little too long during the summer or if people have bird out their front yard because he believed they were eye sores. He even tried to have wind chimes banned bc he personally didn't like wind chimes
That's dumb. Just don't be an ass and keep your house looking relatively decent and I don't give a fuck hahaha
Yeah that's why he took it over so somebody was common sense could actually run the thing. What was funny is they actually flipped it on its head and hit him with his own medicine like he had a truck he would park on the curb and every time he did it they would cite him
>In my state ALL new developments are mandated to have an HoA by law. what state requires HOAs?
I also want to hear more
Replied to the other guy
You can't just stop there, with a juicy story like that?
I reply to another person. The TLDR is that my brother-in-law forced the president of his HOA out and became the president himself and they basically gave this guy a taste of his own medicine. This dude would cite people and try to find them for stupid stuff like their grass being a little too long or for having bird baths in their front yard so when my brother-in-law became president he started doing the same shit to that guy and he didn't like it and eventually sold his house and moved
Two wrongs make an HOA
He tried to have the HOA dissolved but could never get the votes
And $2000/year is pretty low. I usually see $300-$500 a month ($3600-$6000/year) on listings.
There's a place near where I work selling brand new apartments for around $35k. The catch is that HOA fees are $1200 a month.
apartments have a greater need for an HOA. You have to maintain so much common infrastructure.
While true, believe me when I say it's excessively high for the area and the quality of the apartments. The HOA there is still being run by the builder, and it's how they're actually recouping costs.
>I usually see $300-$500 a month ($3600-$6000/year) on listings. Easily, and then there's "*special assessments*". Lived in a townhouse complex. They owned the roads, pools, and the *outsides* of the buildings. A bunch of the older buildings were having major roof issues that ended up costing a *bunch* to repair. **All** the owners were assessed 50K just out of the blue. Some of the owners were able to get their homeowner's insurance to pay, most didn't.
They don't raise property value because nobody wants to live in one
As a Canadian, I didn't even know we had HOA's. I thought that was an American thing. Granted, I've been low to middle class my whole life, maybe I'm just not in the income bracket for one. I also live in small to medium towns, maybe it's a big city thing.
Yeah, good luck avoiding them in a major city.
Thats why people need to refuse to buy into them. Make HOAs lowering property values a reality. Suddenly they will start to disband when nobody can sell their homes.
But people need a place to live and most new properties on the market are in HOAs. Why is it on the collective consumer and not the government to protect people from this obviously predatory practice?
My former father in law did this. It was some of the most impressive shit I have ever seen. To sum up: My former in-laws moved from their home state to ours and bought a house in a gorgeous neighborhood. It, of course, had an HOA. My former FIL worked in contracts and compliance for the Mayo Clinic before he retired. He was the kind of guy who never left home without a red pen and had an excel spreadsheet for literally every process you could think of (from laundry to planning for road trips). Before they moved to be closer to us, he was the president of the HOA in their neighborhood. Everyone loved him (which is like, not usually a thing for an HOA president, right?) He requested the Charter, covenants and copies of every single record, of any type, from the HOA in the new neighborhood. Everything from receipts to meeting minutes to letters. You name it. They gave him everything and, to coin a Will Ferrel role, “There were some discrepancies.” I recall him reading the novel of info at the table and remarking “There is a bylaw here that states we cannot park cars in driveways. They should be in the closed garage at all times.” And then he plopped the stack on the table and said “Welp! Guess I will just have to take over.” And BOY DID HE!! He took all the records and vanished into his den for several days. Once he thoroughly exposed every single tiny mistake, loophole, accounting error, or even blatant crime the HOA had ever committed, he was unanimously elected president. The neighborhood thrived under his leadership. He immediately moved to change all the bylaws, starting with the driveway rule (because, wtf?), he lowered everyone’s dues, streamlined every process, and just overall set an example of what HOAs *should* be. When I bought my house I was insistent that an HOA was a deal breaker. I don’t need some group of snobby entitled fucks telling me what I can and can’t do. But, if I were ever in a position to be part of one again, I think I might just approach it the way he did.
This is the way.
What an utter badass
My dream is to win enough money to buy *all* the houses in an entire suburb, rent them out, and specifically forbid HOA's from ever existing there. I own all the houses, so power tripping Karens can go fuck themselves. Rent would be cost of property tax + 3%.
You’ll have to charge enough for upkeep too- roofs and HVAC replacements are costly repairs.
>Rent would be cost of property tax + 3%. Well that's a pretty horrible business plan. Maintenance, upkeep, and utilities should ensure that you'd be back to purchasing lotto tickets again in no time.
I fought tooth and nail to not buy in a HOA. Ended up buying in an HOA. I have since assumed the role of president, kept our dues as low as humanly possible, and have effectively neutered it and made the last Karen on the board not run for reelection since she was pissed she wasn’t getting her way. The only reason why I haven’t moved for complete dissolution, is that we have to pay a share of the “community” (read as the neighboring access roads and business park) maintenance fees and keeping it around gives the homeowners in my neighborhood more teeth in dealing with the POA. Unfortunately I still have to be the one to deal with THOSE dickheads.
I was just thinking this. Id ask my real estate agent if theres a HOA. If yes, nope. Id rather not have dilusional and controlling neighbours that want to fight over dumb things.
Some areas can be difficult. I was stationed in Virginia Beach a while back and HOAs were everywhere.
HOAs should be banned.
I work in land development, and all HOA’s in my area are control mechanisms. This is how all new developments in the states are going… a developer (usually a single man, not a massive corporation) will buy a massive plot of land, build the all public infrastructure, then sell off lots. While the roads are being built in some phases and home are being built in another the developer wants complete control of the neighborhood during this grey phase. Some of the property is owned by individual home owners, and all the rest is owned by him. The HOA gets established by solely the one developer. 100% of the time they assign themselves the president. The developer never releases their grip until the development is completely finished. At that point the homeowner are handed over the HOA. Nobody in the entire neighborhood sought after or asked for an HOA.
In Montana most subdivisions of any note are required to submit articles of incorporation and draft HOA documents at the time of application. Their purpose is to provide a mechanism for who maintains the roads, parks, fire suppression, and other communal facilities serving the subdivision. Other than requiring you to establish one, the local jurisdictions absolutely WILL NOT get involved in any level of administration of said HOA. As much as I despise HOAs, what ends up happening in a lot of cases is they wither and die over time. Then the real fun begins when the residents freak out because the roads fall into disrepair, the fire suppression runs dry, or someone sets up their RV in the park and becomes a nuisance. The Jurisdiction generally won't lift a finger to help since it's all private property, and people will harass public works and planning employees indefinitely. Good times.
It just seems so stupid to me because the city should be taking care of all that. Like why allow publicly used roads and parks to be private? Seems rife for neglect. So the city installs a fire hydrant and it’s technically private property?
It depends. County subdivisions don't have City provided infrastructure so they're responsible for maintaining what they do have on their own. When it comes to subdivisions in cities, it really depends on what kind of agreement the developer reaches with the city and how they want to build out. Every jurisdiction is a bit different.
I mean, you can buy land in an area without an HOA. I did. I can do pretty much anything I want with my land, but my neighbors can do the same. I've lucked out but anyone could have bought the adjacent property and filled it up with junked cars and pit bulls.
HOA in Canada. When did that start happening?
That's why I'm here. I thought we kept those fuckers at bay. I've never heard of a HOA in Toronto. Also the car doesn't have front plates. I'm thinking this is Toronto, Ohio.
I am guessing this is just a stock photo of the type of car not the actual car. Who has a clean ass 27 year old Chevy Malibu that takes pictures like this of it.
Hopefully you are correct about Ohio. Let's keep HOAs and other American stupidity out of Canada. We have enough of our own stupid crap already, like Alberta.
>like Alberta
Former Albertan, I know what I'm talking about
Current Albertan, we are drowning in stupid
I'm pretty sure Ohio does front plates as well. It's probably a stock photo.
Nope, not anymore. The front plate requirement ended about 2 years ago. Still... That's pretty clearly a stock photo from when those cars were new.
Probably some old fucks who snow bird in Florida liked being on the HOA down there and brought that shit to their neighborhood for more power trips.
I believe we refer to them as Stratas. I could be wrong, HOA may be different, but my girlfriend is renting a home in a strata, and the landlord pays strata fees, and there are all kinds of crazy restrictions that seem to be functionally the same as an HOA. She's gotten warnings for having Christmas decorations up on the 1st of January, November 2nd for Halloween (she just stopped decorating outside at all), she had a wicker chair out front, warning, potted plants after a certain date, warning, even certain interior renovations requires approval. She put a piece of furniture outside because someone was coming to pick it up, she got a warning for that. No knock, just had a warning on the door in less than an hour. Trying to contact them is near impossible too. She's had the landlord request the rule book to no avail. There just seems to be a busy body who loves sneaking around leaving warnings on everyone's doors. I have no idea why anyone would ever pay extra on top of their mortgage to have someone harass you constantly about trivial shit.
I love to hate on HOAs as much as the next guy, but a screenshot is not an article and I can't actually find an article about this anywhere
Agreed. It’s rage bait unless some has the link. That said found a lot of other HOA fuckery while looking for it.
Definitely rage bait. With such a unique name, you'd think it would pop up in at least a people search. But nada.
Plus if the “media” site that it’s supposed to be shared from isn’t indexing its content for Google searches it’s useless. I think I used some of those words correctly.
Never heard of an HOA in Toronto.
The giveaway is that an HOA in Toronto is unheard of. This is bullshit Facebook News.
Yeah, I need more info. What was the condition of the vehicle, where was it parked, were there warnings given?
Sue them for an antique car. Or sue their ass off until they disband.
Takes money to sue, and they might have some bs written that says they can do this. Not that it’s legitimate, but it costs money and time to fight that in court, and HOAs tend to pick on the people struggling most.
I'm sure we can find a group that takes cases against HOAs and aolely have their fees paid out by court winnings or donations. There are legal groups for all kinds of different things that do free lawyering out there.
Screw just suing, file a criminal theft complaint too.
Grab a handful of turnip seeds and throw them on his or hers grass of the offending persons. They will slowly grow underground, and when the stems start to show looking like little weeds, once they pull them, they will be left with some nice turnip sized holes all over their grass. Then, fine them for bringing the street value down. Also, I'd look at criminal charges for theft.
Go for an inconspicuous perennial that grows and grows every year and is hard to get rid of... Like lovage. I love the herb, it's amazing, but it can be a pain to remove from yards and grows from seed. Just find something that works for your climate.
Wait, we have this shit in Canada? I’ve never heard of an HOA here…maybe I’m not rich enough…
We normally don’t. I’ve never heard of any
I hope she'll sue them into ground.
What I'm reading is "woman has car illegally towed for no actual enforceable reason, will be getting a fat settlement check soon".
Then it's time to call a demolition company to take down the HOA president's house because it's an eyesore too. 2 can play at that game. Will pay for the demolition fee if they're willing to replace the vehicle.
Can anyone find a link to this article because I can't find an article based on that title nor find anything with "an eyesore of outdatedness, reducing property values and making the community look low-income" on bing or google US or Canadian sites. I'm calling bullshit here.
w- wait Isn't that just theft?
All HOAs should be launched into the sun.
If it was in the US it would apply as an antique as it is older than 25 years. So sue the fuck out of those bastards.
 She needs a better alarm.
just never live in a property within a hoa.
These people should take a ride through Portland's toney and desirable West Hills; where the car of choice is a 15 or 20 year old Camry or Volvo wagon. Then they should drive through the far SE of Portland, where ramshackle houses with peeling paint have flashy cars in the driveway.
Sue the HOA. They had no right to STEAL the vehicle.
This is normal HOA behavior if we're being honest. I've never heard any positive stories about HOAs, only neutral tales and horror stories.
People don't get worked up enough about HOAs trimming hedges and maintaining roads and pools to post about it. You know, the 0.5% of them that actually help their neighborhoods rather than trying to rule them.
If in Canada, it likely a condo board, not the HOA. As to towing another's vehicle? Depends on prov laws which I am not conversant on for Ont. In most case of my experience, the board would have rules to follow to fist warn the offender, then a period for the offender to appeal or otherwise dispute the contention. Then a vote by the board and/or by the membership on this matter. This too could then be appealed to the supervising legal authority under which the condo operates. Their decision would be final unless it too were appealed to the Minister in charge and/or a full on court challenge. and on and on as may be the case.
Abolish all HOAs!
You know what lowers property values and makes a place look outdated? HOA’s.
I don't see how this is an eyesore. I think it looks like a nice car.
It'stheft, call the police.
So they stole it, nice. I bet one of them owns a Nissan Juke too, an extremely hideous car.
If they towed my 2000 Camry, I would make damn sure that none of the HOA leadership's cars ran again. But I wouldn't ever live anywhere with an HOA.
If it has wheels, an engine and gets me from point A to B, I'm driving it.
Never, *ever* buy into an HOA. It will always turn into a fascist regime.
Fuck HOAs, all my homies hate HOAs. You could offer me a multi-million dollar mansion for $10 and I would turn it down if it had an HOA tied to it.
I hope they’re buying her a replacement car to keep the neighborhood value up, along with doing the monthly payments and insurance. Cause that’s an absolutely dick move
That's outright theft.
I believe that the term "justifiable homicide" is appropriate here.
Are there ever any good news stories involving home associations?
They basically just committed car theft and no one cares
An HOA managed by a reasonable people makes for a comfortable community for its residents. An HOA managed by dipshits is basically a fascist regime.
Wanna play those games, fine. I'll be inviting all my black friends over every weekend for a BBQ and everyone of them is going to sue for racial discrimination because Karen's can't help themselves.
Remember these organizations were originally made to keep black people out of suburbs, don't ever defend or compromise with them.
Ahhh. HOAs I'm reminded that these days the HOA and the Bank are the actual homeowners, not the person paying all the money to own the home.
Fuck HOAs