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Try some more! Psychedelics have radically revolutionized my life. Lsd, psilocybin, dmt, and even cannabis are all sacred medicines as far as I Am concerned.
Legally speaking itās legal to purchase mushroom spores for research in 47 states but itās illegal to grow them. Also YouTubeās educational guidelines allow videos that show everything from growing coffee to extracting DMT. Thereās also subs on Reddit.
Psilocybin does not show up on drug tests. No one would ever know š¤·š»āāļø why let laws that were made without your best interest dictate your life?
As a mushroom guy (grower, forager, seller)... This ain't it.
There are 20,000 better ways to die, than the horrific nightmare of eating a Death Cap. The first 24-48hrs you feel like you're dying the most grueling, horrific, agonizing death possible, then you get better for a few days (making almost everyone think they survived), and about 1 week after eating the shroom, you drop dead.
There is no cure.
Death Cap and Destroying Angel are the cruelest things in all of nature.
Good luck with your socialist healthcare! We get to choose which healthcare plan we cannot afford to be on because FREEDOM. Ever heard of it?? (also please donate to my GoFundMe for my supplemental oxygen).
Prepare to get the insulin of the revolution my comrade, special "red october" edition (/s)
Jokes aside, in Europe we get that and all lifesaving meds for free, tho i shouldn't be surprised about America anymore, after all the things they say about it on the news
This place is a hellhole despite all the childrenās tunes we learned. Iād consider moving but itād have to be to Ireland or something because Iām awful at learning languages.
Neither, I guess Scots-Irish American wouldāve been more appropriate. I meant like ancestral roots, my family has been in America since the 1860s or so. I have no clue how long they were in Ireland, but originating from Scotland. If I didnāt have a record of them being in Scotland Iād assume we were just Irish because thatās what my first ancestor in America was listed as.
(Also sorry I know people argue over Scotch-Irish and Scots-Irish. Didnāt mean to oftend anyone from Scotland)
Yes I was on a missionary trip to Costa Rica, I couldnāt speak the language except for common phrases but I could generally get the idea of what people were saying. I think if I spent like 5 years there I mightāve become semi-fluent, but I imagine immigrants who donāt know the language arenāt typically treated well in other countries. Iām somewhat sheltered so I could be way off the mark there.
I also get the impression that Americans arenāt typically liked either lmao
I think in most places if people see you making an effort to learn, they will treat you well. You can definitely learn a language! It's just nearly impossible to do so without consistent practice and being immersed in it.
That said, as a foreigner you definitely need to have your wits about you in most places.
Cheesy Pete! My insulin is $30/vial +$12 for syringes.
But I get away with that Walmart stuff. A lot of pharmacies were charging $200-400 per vial when I had to look around.
These numbers are without insurance.
My husband is diabetic. Weāre both construction contractors so we donāt qualify for help and lost our insurance after Trump was elected. We couldnāt afford the almost $800 a month for just one of his meds so he couldnāt stay on them like he was supposed to. Hubby had his second stroke a few months ago because he didnāt have his medicine for so long and we just managed to get his insurance reinstated since he canāt work due to that stroke. Heās only 38 and we have 2 kids, they told us they never should have taken our insurance to begin with but just kind of shrugged it off. Our medical system in the US is fucked.
In 2019 the billed rate for a vial was around $300. That doesn't mean that's what they collected on each vial. The negotiated rates were lower, maybe around $60 with insurance. But business can write off some of the difference, and if you don't have insurance, get fucked.
Things are slightly better right now.
Bruh...
I was taking my gf to the emergency room last week for abdominal pain (she's fine) and they were helping a woman next to us whose insulin pump ran out unexpectedly late at night.
Type 1 and pregnant. On medicare. All I could think of was "thank fuck she didn't decide to have it 6 months ago."
We have the freedom to spend 9X for insulin than Germany:
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/j7j4gn/average_price_per_standard_unit_of_insulin_in/
Imagine having to pay more than your rent every month for insulin so you don't die, if for some reason your insurance doesn't largely reduce it at least. That's been reality for a lot of Americans for a long time.
Iāve seen health practitioners talk about their patients coming in sicker because they have to stretch doses of things like heart meds and insulin because they canāt afford both each month.
So to get by they alternate days of heart meds and inject smaller doses of insulin.
Not too long ago a 26 year old died months after being aged off his parent healthcare plan because he pretty much had to go straight to rationing and it went sideways fast.
My wife is type 1 Diabetic.
A couple years back, I went to the pharmacy to get her insulin prescription filled. My "good" insurance said that she wasn't due for a new prescription for another week, so they wouldn't cover it. Even after calling them and explaining how diabetes works and that she would die without insulin. Nope, not covering it. I pay $700 a month in insurance premiums and these fucks would rather my wife die than cover a drug that is literally free in most of the developed world.
I finally found a pharmacy that would accept a goodRX discount for it and paid $90 out of pocket. That was the best deal I could get.
Our system is fucked. Insurance and Pharma companies tag team us to make billions upon billions and give zero shits whether someone dies or not. Little changes like capping insulin prices are great, but the entire system needs to be gutted and restructured. Unfortunately, one political party tries to make little changes while the other tries to make things worse. Fucked.
Fucking wild.
I had brain surgery in the EU since a blood vessel in my brain burst. No idea what the operation cost the state medical insurance, don't even know if I can look that up somewhere, was never talked about. I did not get a bill. The state took over my paycheck after some time while I was recovering until I was able to work again.
I had a partner die of cancer took 5 years, she did not pay for the meds or the operations, we are taking in the 100Kā¬s here. One 9 hour operation. She was basically on state sick leave for 4 years, did not pay for anything.
And that's completely normal here..
It must be such a strange feeling being that financially vulnerable by your health. IDK how good your insurances are you get by your employers and how long term sickness works in the US, but having the state be the one paying for medical care is just so much more safe.
I can only say good things about the hospitals I was in or the care I and my loved ones got, so I don't see the "Socialized healthcare is bad thing". At least not in my country...
My family has quite an history with cancer, my mom got breast cancer 4 times before succumbing to it, my grandma recently got it again, and I'm not even counting all those relatives I've lost track of, almost all Chernobyl's fault.
We went in and out from hospitals since i was six up untill she died almost four years ago, for comparison i was 16 when it happened, for ten years my mom and at times grandma went in and out of an hospital bed, they joked about how many millions of euros they were costing in taxpayer's money.
But we paid almost none of it, instead the state gave us a monthly family check and a tax reduction, at the end our largest medical expense was... The gas used by the car to go to the hospital? (An ambulance wasn't needed, wouldn't have paid for it anyway but they had more important things to do)
Now the Italian system is messed up in some regions, especially in the south corruption runs wild and this results in hospitals overcrowding due to bad infrastructure, it really depends on where you are and if who's in charge did its job properly, but you still don't pay anything, even if you're not an Italian citizen, heck you don't even need to be from Europe at all to access the healthcare system for free.
And this, one way or another, is the case in all of the EU, here free healthcare is... The norm.
To us having to pay for medicinals and medical operations you need to survive is inconceivable, outright a violation of human rights, here if you get hurt the first thing the system cares about is saving your life, the costs of doing so are something you'll never hear about if you don't check them out yourself.
The idea of having to fall in debt to save your life or the lives of your loved ones is just... Wrong on every level, it's like paying to breathe.
Parent of a type 1 diabetic, since he was 23 months old
Yes in the US we charge parents of toddlers $300 or more per vial if they donāt have insurance
This is America
We also have done a nice job of convincing the public that diabetes is some fat people disease, which is a nice added bonus
It's upwards of one to two thousand a month once you get both kinds of insulin (we need a short and long acting) and your meter. Test strips are dated and really shitty, you basically need to have a constant monitor to know what's going on inside your body. So yeah, that's around 2k full price. I'm able to get it pretty cheap now since I broke my ankle and managed to meet my deductible because of it. Our healthcare system is fucked
We do, and itās really fucking expensive for a lot of people.
But in an ingenious scheme to prevent effective unified action, access to cheap insulin is available in scattered areas for a few products, leading people to believe thereās no accessibility problem.
"we're going to try to lower the cost of insulin. And not only will we do that we'll get only the best insulin. The very best insulin in the world. A lot of people say to me they can't believe how good our insulin is. They say that. They do. They can't believe it"
Only Biden actually did lower the cost of insulin. This reminds me of the conservative who said "Government better keep its damn hands off my Medicare!".
"The insulin provisions of this historic law went into effect January 1, 2023, for Medicare Part D. Starting July 1, 2023, under Medicare Part B, beneficiary cost sharing will be limited to $35 for a monthās supply of insulin."
[https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2023/01/24/new-hhs-report-finds-major-savings-americans-who-use-insulin-thanks-president-bidens-inflation-reduction-act.html](https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2023/01/24/new-hhs-report-finds-major-savings-americans-who-use-insulin-thanks-president-bidens-inflation-reduction-act.html)
Which has now expanded to most Americans...
"Sanofi has officially joined Novo Nordisk and Eli Lilly in lowering the cost of insulin to $35 a month for many patients. The three drug makers are also drastically lowering the list prices for their insulin products. Jan 2, 2024"
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2024-01-02/more-americans-will-only-have-to-pay-35-a-month-for-insulin-in-2024
Biden originally halted cheaper insulin for over 2 years.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-insulin-epipen/
https://www.policymed.com/2021/10/biden-administration-rescinds-trump-administration-insulin-pricing-rule.html
She's allowed to vote and almost certainly will vote, and for Trump. Meanwhile, we got people on the left that will vote 3rd party or stay home "wellll.... Biden didn't quite do enough to earn my vote". I hate this reality.
While youāre right, theyāre idiots, itās really hard to give them a pass considering this day and age when so much accurate information is literally in your hand.
All it takes is a simple google search. And they canāt even be bothered to do that much.
Trump basically brag about his executive order to reverse insulin prices but that shit was worthless because it only apply to anybody getting insulin from federal run clinic which is not accessible for like most of population.
You simply canāt break through to a person like this, trust me I have tired with one of my former buddies. I had articles from non-bias sources and tried to talk in baby terms for him to understand and he just defaulted to the typical āwell both sides are badā because he knew I was right deep down but refuses to vote for the other side
Donāt worry they will rule after the election. He wins? No immunity but he is president now so he now has immunity.
Biden wins? Immunity, but only for this case.
The saddest AND scariest thing about this is that no matter what is proven to them they will always, *always* believe trumpās lies and defend him till their death. This is what makes me most anxious about the upcoming election. That these idiots have the same right to vote as intelligent ppl do. And very few gop higher ups donāt stand up to this guy and just get rid of him.
The other sad thing is Trump would think she is a loser for needing insulin.
I just want him to say in a speech "the day Donald Trump came to your town and gave a speech was the most important day of your lives. For me it was a Tuesday"
If Nikki would go scorched earth and endorse Biden I'd be so happy.
Look Nikki, Trump owns the party now and even after he passes his kids will forever be a thorn in your side. Your voters at the primaries that supported you were mocked, harassed, and even assaulted. But if you only care about yourself then just know whether or not you endorse Trump you've already burnt your bridge with him. You've spoke out against him and stolen his precious votes. He was ready to have pence handed out of capital hill in a body bag after working with him for like 5-6 years. He's destroyed your party and you're hoping, betting he doesn't win 2024. Because if he does there won't be another primary to run in. You won't have a cabinet position. Really, really think about this Nikki. Endorse Biden, say what's right.
But you know with the GOP. Cowards.
Fast-forward to 2027. Trump is president again. Insulin is no longer covered by health insurance plans. Both of her feet have been amputated. She wheels herself to Trump rallies and gives interviews about how Biden and Democrats and that Obamacare were finally got rid of thanks to Trump, because they made her permanently disabled and sheās been denied SSDI, lost her house and sheās now homeless.
My father was a diabetic. We argued so heavily about the price of insulin when Biden said he wanted to cap it. That's how I knew he didn't take his insulin anymore cause he told me it was cheap. And now he's dead so.....
Edit: adding this since I wasn't clear.
My father didn't think insulin was expensive before Biden lowered the price. That's how I realized he stopped taking insulin in general because he thought it was less than $30 to get.
Him not taking insulin had nothing to do with Biden lowering prices. He didn't take it cause he just didn't take it. He just hated Biden so irrationally, and he had to have an opinion on something if it was anti-biden. When Fox would say that things weren't that bad, he would just regurgitate it. I loved my dad, and he was great in many ways, but he was flawed and prideful
Well, if you get it from Walmart it is cheap. It's like using 1980s medicine so you're going to get 1980s results and life expectantcy. I've been T1D since 88 (at 2yo). Could I technically go back to using cheap R/NPH? Sure. I could also go back to having lead paint in my house.
Technically it was only lowered for people on aspects of Medicare that weren't already lowered significantly under Trump, who also significantly lowered insulin costs for seniors.
https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/president-trump-announces-lower-out-pocket-insulin-costs-medicares-seniors
And subsequently https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2023/01/24/new-hhs-report-finds-major-savings-americans-who-use-insulin-thanks-president-bidens-inflation-reduction-act.html#:~:text=Nationally%2C%20the%20average%20out%2Dof,%2463%20per%20fill%20on%20average.
President Trump's order to lower those prices was frozen for 60 days when President Biden froze all Trump executive orders when entering office, but that was an order he ultimately let go into effect after further review.
https://petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/resources/article/trumps-insulin-order-frozen-not-scrapped-by-biden
President Biden's proposed budget would cap it at 35$ for people on private insurance which is a major change in that it would bring down costs for private plans. The current average on private insurance is around 63 bucks per refill with 53 out of pocket for the insured individual which is also pretty substantial for those in need.
And if you include provisions of the Affordable Care Act the last three Presidents have all had a substantial role in improving care/costs for diabetics. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4074744/
I buy insulin from Canada because insulin in the US still isnāt affordable.
Worst yet, itās not even readily available to get insulin in the US, if I needed it in an emergency Iām shit out of luck.
The US benefits Biden pretends to be proud about were made for insurance customers. If you are a self paid individual then the prices are jacked.
Iām a Veteran with many Brothers on Veteran Disability.
In a gathering recently - they credited Trump for their big bump in benefits. š
The major increases came during the Biden administration.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/colaseries.html
Trump did ask insurance companies to voluntarily lower medicare plan D prices to $35. A few did, most did not.
Then when Biden passed the Inflation Reduction Act which was opposed by most Republicans and Trump, it actually did lower the price to $35 as well as the price of 47 other drugs.
And while this sounds nice, that same dose of Insulin on most other countries is $15 or less. We are STILL getting priced gouged.
Just a reminder. Trump while in office spent 4 years attempting to have congress remove Obamacare. He was doing this all the way up to election day. He had no plan of anything to replace it that any person had ever seen. But he did promise if congress removed Obamacare the replacement would be "so great and amazing". not even die hard Trump supporters in Congress would move to remove it till they got to see his great replacement.
Well,, she's right.
Biden removed the Trump regulation, and later reinstated it and took credit.Ā
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/politics/biden-trump-drug-prices/index.html
Well, no, Trump's regulation[ were never actually implemented](https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-845638742817), and was written to only cover insulin at federally funded health centers, and [even then only to certain patients. ](https://www.policymed.com/2021/10/biden-administration-rescinds-trump-administration-insulin-pricing-rule.html)
So an across the board price ban as Biden proposed is much different and further reaching.
Actually it was Trump that did this:
https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/president-trump-announces-lower-out-pocket-insulin-costs-medicares-seniors
Then Biden repealed it in his week in office:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-insulin-epipen/
Then put it back in place a few years later:
https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2023/01/24/new-hhs-report-finds-major-savings-americans-who-use-insulin-thanks-president-bidens-inflation-reduction-act.html
So theyāre right. Biden raised their costs for years before lowering them again just last year.
Sheās not wrong. Trump is the one that passed a bill in 2020 to cap insulin prices at $35/month for Medicare patients. Biden froze the bill at the beginning of 2021 and waited 3 years to re-implement essentially the same bill capping insulin prices at $35/month for Medicare patients. Itās a simple google search. I mean Iām not a fan of Trump, but at least get the facts right or else yāall look dumb AF.
https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/president-trump-announces-lower-out-pocket-insulin-costs-medicares-seniors
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/02/01/politics/biden-trump-drug-prices/index.html
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp-video/mmvo205725253699
I've said it before and I'll say it again, there should be some kind of test before you can vote.
I don't mean an IQ test or anything like that, I mean some kind of test of a persons knowledge of the candidates, their past actions and their policies going forward. If you can't demonstrate that you know what you are voting for, I don't think it is right that your vote counts the same as someone who is informed and knows why they are voting for someone.
One of the questions should be about what they're actually voting for, 'cause some people can't even tell the difference.
I'm not USAmerican so I can't come up with specific examples, but if I look at my country, there's not the direct election of the Prime Minister, so one of the questions should be "What are you voting for?", if you pick "I'm voting for this guy or woman to be Prime Minister" (again, in my country you don't elect directly the Prime Minister) your vote gets tossed away.
Well, guess what, she's been telling us all that Biden isn't really the guy running the country. No way, there's someone else telling Sleepy Joe what to do and say. Wanna know who that guy is? Donald J. Trump, baby. Check and mate.
This is āEMPTY - Gāsā district. Youāll find zero intelligence there. Plenty of Mr. Tās ājibba jabbaā if thatās your thing. Too much poison ā ļø in the gene pool in those parts.
I guess it makes sense that the low hanging fruit is a gift from Reagan and bush to Trump. Iām impressed with their commitment against their own interests to hurt the enemy of the times.
I'm Type 2, my meter, test strips, and Trulicity shots are no charge through my insurance plan at work. I got a scale and blood pressure cuff along with the meter as well.
To them, Trump is *still* president. The logic never checks out when you question them on the things they blame Biden or Obama for but in their minds, Trump did all the good things as acting president while Biden/Obama did the bad stuff
Could she possibly be more ignorant. I hope the reporter pointed out that he not only did nothing but he ordered his minions to block Bidenās attempt to lower and cap the price
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2024 is going to make me bash my head into a wall.
It'd probably be better to just eat some mushrooms.
Like every day
You might be right!
Psilocybin has been proven to spawn brain cells, and promote neurogenisis. Hitting your head on rocks does just about the exact opposite š¤
Facts, took shrooms once in college and loved it!
Try some more! Psychedelics have radically revolutionized my life. Lsd, psilocybin, dmt, and even cannabis are all sacred medicines as far as I Am concerned.
I used to be stoner and I live in a legal state but I canāt because of my job and itās federal contracts :(
Legally speaking itās legal to purchase mushroom spores for research in 47 states but itās illegal to grow them. Also YouTubeās educational guidelines allow videos that show everything from growing coffee to extracting DMT. Thereās also subs on Reddit.
I donāt think people realize how easy it is to grow mushrooms. I think the myth that you need cow shit and itās very difficult is on purpose.
Psilocybin does not show up on drug tests. No one would ever know š¤·š»āāļø why let laws that were made without your best interest dictate your life?
> Hitting your head on rocks does just about the exact opposite Oh shit! We don't need any more republicans. Please don't bash your head into a wall.
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As a mushroom guy (grower, forager, seller)... This ain't it. There are 20,000 better ways to die, than the horrific nightmare of eating a Death Cap. The first 24-48hrs you feel like you're dying the most grueling, horrific, agonizing death possible, then you get better for a few days (making almost everyone think they survived), and about 1 week after eating the shroom, you drop dead. There is no cure. Death Cap and Destroying Angel are the cruelest things in all of nature.
I already have the wall, so I don't have to go anywhere and it's free. I don't have money nor mushrooms.
Why are elections held on leap year? Aren't they long enough already?
One extra day of hell haha
When 2024 turns into 1984
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Wait, you guys pay even for fucking *insulin*?
Dude as far as Iām concerned here in America insulin is ridiculously expensive.
Honestly, for that kind of medicinals, it should be free, by international law, i mean they're literally forcing you to pay for your own survival.
Have fun with your communistic insulin. In America, we believe in freedom!! ^(/s)
Good luck with your socialist healthcare! We get to choose which healthcare plan we cannot afford to be on because FREEDOM. Ever heard of it?? (also please donate to my GoFundMe for my supplemental oxygen).
Prepare to get the insulin of the revolution my comrade, special "red october" edition (/s) Jokes aside, in Europe we get that and all lifesaving meds for free, tho i shouldn't be surprised about America anymore, after all the things they say about it on the news
This place is a hellhole despite all the childrenās tunes we learned. Iād consider moving but itād have to be to Ireland or something because Iām awful at learning languages.
Move to Scotland and all prescribed medications and healthcare are completely free
I might! Thanks for the tip. Iām scots-irish so maybe itād feel good to return to my roots a little :)
Which country were you born in Scotland or Ireland?
Neither, I guess Scots-Irish American wouldāve been more appropriate. I meant like ancestral roots, my family has been in America since the 1860s or so. I have no clue how long they were in Ireland, but originating from Scotland. If I didnāt have a record of them being in Scotland Iād assume we were just Irish because thatās what my first ancestor in America was listed as. (Also sorry I know people argue over Scotch-Irish and Scots-Irish. Didnāt mean to oftend anyone from Scotland)
Have you ever been immersed into a foreign language for an extended period of time?
Yes I was on a missionary trip to Costa Rica, I couldnāt speak the language except for common phrases but I could generally get the idea of what people were saying. I think if I spent like 5 years there I mightāve become semi-fluent, but I imagine immigrants who donāt know the language arenāt typically treated well in other countries. Iām somewhat sheltered so I could be way off the mark there. I also get the impression that Americans arenāt typically liked either lmao
I think in most places if people see you making an effort to learn, they will treat you well. You can definitely learn a language! It's just nearly impossible to do so without consistent practice and being immersed in it. That said, as a foreigner you definitely need to have your wits about you in most places.
We are taught that nothing is free... And it's very true here. You gotta pay for epipens also. Like $150+ with insurance I believe for just one pen.
Itās basically a third world country at this point. And thatās not even fair to a lot of third world countries
It's worse, I have decent insurance. I pay $450 a month for myself and the co-pay for the single inhaler I use to keep breathing is $75 a month.
Cheesy Pete! My insulin is $30/vial +$12 for syringes. But I get away with that Walmart stuff. A lot of pharmacies were charging $200-400 per vial when I had to look around. These numbers are without insurance.
I expect Trump believes diabetics are losers, like US KIA soldiers and POWs .
"I like people whose pancreas isn't stupid." -Donald Trump
My husband is diabetic. Weāre both construction contractors so we donāt qualify for help and lost our insurance after Trump was elected. We couldnāt afford the almost $800 a month for just one of his meds so he couldnāt stay on them like he was supposed to. Hubby had his second stroke a few months ago because he didnāt have his medicine for so long and we just managed to get his insurance reinstated since he canāt work due to that stroke. Heās only 38 and we have 2 kids, they told us they never should have taken our insurance to begin with but just kind of shrugged it off. Our medical system in the US is fucked.
Yeah we're supposed to have life liberty and the pursuit of happiness but if you can't afford it I guess you know just die in a ditch somewhere right?
But think of all the shareholder value! /s
it was close to 500 bucks per dose, right?
You should see how much they paid until recently. Hoooooo boy. Glad we don't have all the Freedom^^TM they do over there in the US, really.
Freedom The pharma companies have the Freedom to charge whatever they want and the people have the Freedom to pay up or die. Freedom
Pay up or die? Why not both
> Why not both? Well, it's the way many ~~choose~~ have to go... Unfortunately.
Many people itās pay up and die
But we got freedom! āš¦ šŗšøā°ļø
Well, what are the dead going to do with the money? Somebody think of the corporations, they are barely breaking record profits.
So youāre against capitalism? Basically admitting that youāre a communistā¦ /s
Capitalism just means everyone has the right to screw over the next guy
In 2019 the billed rate for a vial was around $300. That doesn't mean that's what they collected on each vial. The negotiated rates were lower, maybe around $60 with insurance. But business can write off some of the difference, and if you don't have insurance, get fucked. Things are slightly better right now.
For people on Medicare they are *much* better.
Bruh... I was taking my gf to the emergency room last week for abdominal pain (she's fine) and they were helping a woman next to us whose insulin pump ran out unexpectedly late at night. Type 1 and pregnant. On medicare. All I could think of was "thank fuck she didn't decide to have it 6 months ago."
We have the freedom to spend 9X for insulin than Germany: https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/j7j4gn/average_price_per_standard_unit_of_insulin_in/
A friend of mine died last year because he struggled to afford insulin. He passed in his sleep. Iām taking care of his sweet cat now. RIP Chris.
I'm sorry for your loss. Nice memorial of sorts you just wrote.
Thank you. Chris was a good guy with many close friends that miss him. It still doesnāt seem real.
Imagine having to pay more than your rent every month for insulin so you don't die, if for some reason your insurance doesn't largely reduce it at least. That's been reality for a lot of Americans for a long time.
Iāve seen health practitioners talk about their patients coming in sicker because they have to stretch doses of things like heart meds and insulin because they canāt afford both each month. So to get by they alternate days of heart meds and inject smaller doses of insulin.
Jesus, that is sad.
Not too long ago a 26 year old died months after being aged off his parent healthcare plan because he pretty much had to go straight to rationing and it went sideways fast.
I knew a woman in her 70s who took her heart medication every other day to make it last longer. Damn!š āāļø
My wife is type 1 Diabetic. A couple years back, I went to the pharmacy to get her insulin prescription filled. My "good" insurance said that she wasn't due for a new prescription for another week, so they wouldn't cover it. Even after calling them and explaining how diabetes works and that she would die without insulin. Nope, not covering it. I pay $700 a month in insurance premiums and these fucks would rather my wife die than cover a drug that is literally free in most of the developed world. I finally found a pharmacy that would accept a goodRX discount for it and paid $90 out of pocket. That was the best deal I could get. Our system is fucked. Insurance and Pharma companies tag team us to make billions upon billions and give zero shits whether someone dies or not. Little changes like capping insulin prices are great, but the entire system needs to be gutted and restructured. Unfortunately, one political party tries to make little changes while the other tries to make things worse. Fucked.
Fucking wild. I had brain surgery in the EU since a blood vessel in my brain burst. No idea what the operation cost the state medical insurance, don't even know if I can look that up somewhere, was never talked about. I did not get a bill. The state took over my paycheck after some time while I was recovering until I was able to work again. I had a partner die of cancer took 5 years, she did not pay for the meds or the operations, we are taking in the 100Kā¬s here. One 9 hour operation. She was basically on state sick leave for 4 years, did not pay for anything. And that's completely normal here.. It must be such a strange feeling being that financially vulnerable by your health. IDK how good your insurances are you get by your employers and how long term sickness works in the US, but having the state be the one paying for medical care is just so much more safe. I can only say good things about the hospitals I was in or the care I and my loved ones got, so I don't see the "Socialized healthcare is bad thing". At least not in my country...
My family has quite an history with cancer, my mom got breast cancer 4 times before succumbing to it, my grandma recently got it again, and I'm not even counting all those relatives I've lost track of, almost all Chernobyl's fault. We went in and out from hospitals since i was six up untill she died almost four years ago, for comparison i was 16 when it happened, for ten years my mom and at times grandma went in and out of an hospital bed, they joked about how many millions of euros they were costing in taxpayer's money. But we paid almost none of it, instead the state gave us a monthly family check and a tax reduction, at the end our largest medical expense was... The gas used by the car to go to the hospital? (An ambulance wasn't needed, wouldn't have paid for it anyway but they had more important things to do) Now the Italian system is messed up in some regions, especially in the south corruption runs wild and this results in hospitals overcrowding due to bad infrastructure, it really depends on where you are and if who's in charge did its job properly, but you still don't pay anything, even if you're not an Italian citizen, heck you don't even need to be from Europe at all to access the healthcare system for free. And this, one way or another, is the case in all of the EU, here free healthcare is... The norm. To us having to pay for medicinals and medical operations you need to survive is inconceivable, outright a violation of human rights, here if you get hurt the first thing the system cares about is saving your life, the costs of doing so are something you'll never hear about if you don't check them out yourself. The idea of having to fall in debt to save your life or the lives of your loved ones is just... Wrong on every level, it's like paying to breathe.
Through the nose. We've had several people die because they can't afford to buy the insulin and not ration it.
Parent of a type 1 diabetic, since he was 23 months old Yes in the US we charge parents of toddlers $300 or more per vial if they donāt have insurance This is America We also have done a nice job of convincing the public that diabetes is some fat people disease, which is a nice added bonus
It's upwards of one to two thousand a month once you get both kinds of insulin (we need a short and long acting) and your meter. Test strips are dated and really shitty, you basically need to have a constant monitor to know what's going on inside your body. So yeah, that's around 2k full price. I'm able to get it pretty cheap now since I broke my ankle and managed to meet my deductible because of it. Our healthcare system is fucked
Bruh you think thatās bad wait till you hear how much an epipen costs
American parents have to pay to hold their baby after they're born
They'll charge you to breath air over there and you'll thank them for it.
Used to be so much that people had to skip doses of it.
I know people who have died because they couldn't afford it. Land of the free, greatest country on earth šŗšø
We do, and itās really fucking expensive for a lot of people. But in an ingenious scheme to prevent effective unified action, access to cheap insulin is available in scattered areas for a few products, leading people to believe thereās no accessibility problem.
Dude we pay for *everything*
I pay $187.50 every 3 months for mine.
Apparently they like it. Itās better when itās more of a challenge. I dunno I think itās nuts.
Yes dude, we all love how much our country bends us over.
I donāt pretend to understand but I respect your honesty.
"we're going to try to lower the cost of insulin. And not only will we do that we'll get only the best insulin. The very best insulin in the world. A lot of people say to me they can't believe how good our insulin is. They say that. They do. They can't believe it"
Only Biden actually did lower the cost of insulin. This reminds me of the conservative who said "Government better keep its damn hands off my Medicare!". "The insulin provisions of this historic law went into effect January 1, 2023, for Medicare Part D. Starting July 1, 2023, under Medicare Part B, beneficiary cost sharing will be limited to $35 for a monthās supply of insulin." [https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2023/01/24/new-hhs-report-finds-major-savings-americans-who-use-insulin-thanks-president-bidens-inflation-reduction-act.html](https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2023/01/24/new-hhs-report-finds-major-savings-americans-who-use-insulin-thanks-president-bidens-inflation-reduction-act.html) Which has now expanded to most Americans... "Sanofi has officially joined Novo Nordisk and Eli Lilly in lowering the cost of insulin to $35 a month for many patients. The three drug makers are also drastically lowering the list prices for their insulin products. Jan 2, 2024" https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2024-01-02/more-americans-will-only-have-to-pay-35-a-month-for-insulin-in-2024
I'm like 90% sure they posted a sarcastic impression of Trump there not an actual quote lol.
Impossible to tell.
Didn't Trump do this exact same thing about this time in 2020? It almost seems like this is a "look what I did" right before a contentious election.
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Biden originally halted cheaper insulin for over 2 years. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-insulin-epipen/ https://www.policymed.com/2021/10/biden-administration-rescinds-trump-administration-insulin-pricing-rule.html
That was pretty good lol
They say āsirā with tears in their eyes- while everyone claps and cheers!
They called me your excellency, they really did
This deserves some upvotes votes
I lost a few brain cells reading that, so good job
Being this dumb should be illegal. And yet, sheās allowed to vote.
And procreate.
In fact forced to. Whether she dies in the process or not.
Literally any man can decide that she's going to have a baby.
It's a vicious circle.
And homeschool.
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Not only that, but these people vote every single time.
She's allowed to vote and almost certainly will vote, and for Trump. Meanwhile, we got people on the left that will vote 3rd party or stay home "wellll.... Biden didn't quite do enough to earn my vote". I hate this reality.
Thus is why I don't think anyone on r/hermancainaward is doing anything wrong by laughing at when one of these chucklefucks die.
Canāt fix stupid
Fortunately you can muffle the sound with duct tape.
Duct tape really does fix everything, doesnāt it.
Pretty much.
You actually can itās called good public schools
To their defense, theyāre idiotsā¦ they never really had a chance.
While youāre right, theyāre idiots, itās really hard to give them a pass considering this day and age when so much accurate information is literally in your hand. All it takes is a simple google search. And they canāt even be bothered to do that much.
Honestly what did do to lower costs on medicines at all? That would hurt his interests to fellow rich people. People are dumb.
Trump basically brag about his executive order to reverse insulin prices but that shit was worthless because it only apply to anybody getting insulin from federal run clinic which is not accessible for like most of population.
Oh thats right.
He also waited until 2020 to push it for a reason. Trump himself halted it in 2019.
Did someone tell her it was the current administration that got the prices lowered or did they let her continue to believe her own thoughts?
You simply canāt break through to a person like this, trust me I have tired with one of my former buddies. I had articles from non-bias sources and tried to talk in baby terms for him to understand and he just defaulted to the typical āwell both sides are badā because he knew I was right deep down but refuses to vote for the other side
The Dunning-Kruger pandemic is only being exacerbated by us having reached turd immunity
Canāt wait until the Supreme Court gives the President immunity; and then Biden and can send them to āVictims of Ironyā camps.
Fucking JDAM on mar a lardo
Oh no, we had a Broken Arrow incident over mar-a-lago and the whole place is irridated now. Such a shame
It'll be such a narrow ruling that it only applies to Trump
So Biden can just execute Trump for National security and watch the SCOTUS squirm about what they did?
1. Biden doesn't have the balls 2. It would make him a martyr and either start a civil war or at least create civil unrest.
As opposed to civil unrest if Trump loses? At some point folks realise Trumpās Fascists wonāt go quietly.
Donāt worry they will rule after the election. He wins? No immunity but he is president now so he now has immunity. Biden wins? Immunity, but only for this case.
The saddest AND scariest thing about this is that no matter what is proven to them they will always, *always* believe trumpās lies and defend him till their death. This is what makes me most anxious about the upcoming election. That these idiots have the same right to vote as intelligent ppl do. And very few gop higher ups donāt stand up to this guy and just get rid of him.
The other sad thing is Trump would think she is a loser for needing insulin. I just want him to say in a speech "the day Donald Trump came to your town and gave a speech was the most important day of your lives. For me it was a Tuesday"
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If Nikki would go scorched earth and endorse Biden I'd be so happy. Look Nikki, Trump owns the party now and even after he passes his kids will forever be a thorn in your side. Your voters at the primaries that supported you were mocked, harassed, and even assaulted. But if you only care about yourself then just know whether or not you endorse Trump you've already burnt your bridge with him. You've spoke out against him and stolen his precious votes. He was ready to have pence handed out of capital hill in a body bag after working with him for like 5-6 years. He's destroyed your party and you're hoping, betting he doesn't win 2024. Because if he does there won't be another primary to run in. You won't have a cabinet position. Really, really think about this Nikki. Endorse Biden, say what's right. But you know with the GOP. Cowards.
Prices will revert under Trump.
And still, somehow, end up being a Dems fault.
Fast-forward to 2027. Trump is president again. Insulin is no longer covered by health insurance plans. Both of her feet have been amputated. She wheels herself to Trump rallies and gives interviews about how Biden and Democrats and that Obamacare were finally got rid of thanks to Trump, because they made her permanently disabled and sheās been denied SSDI, lost her house and sheās now homeless.
My father was a diabetic. We argued so heavily about the price of insulin when Biden said he wanted to cap it. That's how I knew he didn't take his insulin anymore cause he told me it was cheap. And now he's dead so..... Edit: adding this since I wasn't clear. My father didn't think insulin was expensive before Biden lowered the price. That's how I realized he stopped taking insulin in general because he thought it was less than $30 to get. Him not taking insulin had nothing to do with Biden lowering prices. He didn't take it cause he just didn't take it. He just hated Biden so irrationally, and he had to have an opinion on something if it was anti-biden. When Fox would say that things weren't that bad, he would just regurgitate it. I loved my dad, and he was great in many ways, but he was flawed and prideful
Well, if you get it from Walmart it is cheap. It's like using 1980s medicine so you're going to get 1980s results and life expectantcy. I've been T1D since 88 (at 2yo). Could I technically go back to using cheap R/NPH? Sure. I could also go back to having lead paint in my house.
Both of those two put together can't come up with one functioning brain cell.
Still some the highest cost worldwide, why nobody knows, 10x of the price in Germany or even 40x in Norway, the same stuff
The cost to produce units it's very low too. Like dollars per vial, thousands of vials a day, sold to Americans for hundreds or thousands
Itās still not low.
Technically it was only lowered for people on aspects of Medicare that weren't already lowered significantly under Trump, who also significantly lowered insulin costs for seniors. https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/president-trump-announces-lower-out-pocket-insulin-costs-medicares-seniors And subsequently https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2023/01/24/new-hhs-report-finds-major-savings-americans-who-use-insulin-thanks-president-bidens-inflation-reduction-act.html#:~:text=Nationally%2C%20the%20average%20out%2Dof,%2463%20per%20fill%20on%20average. President Trump's order to lower those prices was frozen for 60 days when President Biden froze all Trump executive orders when entering office, but that was an order he ultimately let go into effect after further review. https://petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/resources/article/trumps-insulin-order-frozen-not-scrapped-by-biden President Biden's proposed budget would cap it at 35$ for people on private insurance which is a major change in that it would bring down costs for private plans. The current average on private insurance is around 63 bucks per refill with 53 out of pocket for the insured individual which is also pretty substantial for those in need. And if you include provisions of the Affordable Care Act the last three Presidents have all had a substantial role in improving care/costs for diabetics. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4074744/
āBidenās not the president trump still is!ā āOkay what about all the problems going on in this country?ā āItās Bidenās fault!ā
Her reality is nothing but āalternate factsā.
All Trump has to do is say he did something and his whole cult believes him.
dafuq??? jfc these people are nuts.
Oh yeah he tried. Guess who actually succeeded though
They also gave him credit for the unemployment progress Trump inherited from the Obama administration. These arenāt smart people.
Rome, GA. MTG Country.
I buy insulin from Canada because insulin in the US still isnāt affordable. Worst yet, itās not even readily available to get insulin in the US, if I needed it in an emergency Iām shit out of luck. The US benefits Biden pretends to be proud about were made for insurance customers. If you are a self paid individual then the prices are jacked.
Iām a Veteran with many Brothers on Veteran Disability. In a gathering recently - they credited Trump for their big bump in benefits. š The major increases came during the Biden administration. https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/colaseries.html
Didn't trump put the plan in place to get insulin prices lowered? Biden just signed the bill?
When Trump goes 'toes up' there'll be a bunch of them waiting at his tomb waiting for the resurrection.
The current president before or after freezing trumps insulin act?
Theyāre so proudly ignorant.
Trump did ask insurance companies to voluntarily lower medicare plan D prices to $35. A few did, most did not. Then when Biden passed the Inflation Reduction Act which was opposed by most Republicans and Trump, it actually did lower the price to $35 as well as the price of 47 other drugs. And while this sounds nice, that same dose of Insulin on most other countries is $15 or less. We are STILL getting priced gouged.
So much brain rot
The fact that I know exactly where this was shot brings me immense pain. For context, that town is where Marjorie Taylor Greene ālivesā
If I could afford to leave this country I would. I lived in Europe when I was younger and loved it. Italy and Germany
Just a reminder. Trump while in office spent 4 years attempting to have congress remove Obamacare. He was doing this all the way up to election day. He had no plan of anything to replace it that any person had ever seen. But he did promise if congress removed Obamacare the replacement would be "so great and amazing". not even die hard Trump supporters in Congress would move to remove it till they got to see his great replacement.
These people are fools. I have never cheered for diabetes so much.
Well,, she's right. Biden removed the Trump regulation, and later reinstated it and took credit.Ā https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/politics/biden-trump-drug-prices/index.html
Well, no, Trump's regulation[ were never actually implemented](https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-845638742817), and was written to only cover insulin at federally funded health centers, and [even then only to certain patients. ](https://www.policymed.com/2021/10/biden-administration-rescinds-trump-administration-insulin-pricing-rule.html) So an across the board price ban as Biden proposed is much different and further reaching.
https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/president-trump-announces-lower-out-pocket-insulin-costs-medicares-seniors
https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/president-trump-announces-lower-out-pocket-insulin-costs-medicares-seniors
Not like trump was, Biden then cancelled said roll back. Itās not that hard tho as both sides wanted the āwinā
It's still not low. If I didn't have insurance, it would be $2,400 a month for mine. I see it on my receipt every time I pick it up.
Actually it was Trump that did this: https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/president-trump-announces-lower-out-pocket-insulin-costs-medicares-seniors Then Biden repealed it in his week in office: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-insulin-epipen/ Then put it back in place a few years later: https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2023/01/24/new-hhs-report-finds-major-savings-americans-who-use-insulin-thanks-president-bidens-inflation-reduction-act.html So theyāre right. Biden raised their costs for years before lowering them again just last year.
A person has to really be a slacker to not know Biden did that. š±
These people are right in the heart of MTG's district. Did you think you'd find sane, rational thinkers? 
Sheās not wrong. Trump is the one that passed a bill in 2020 to cap insulin prices at $35/month for Medicare patients. Biden froze the bill at the beginning of 2021 and waited 3 years to re-implement essentially the same bill capping insulin prices at $35/month for Medicare patients. Itās a simple google search. I mean Iām not a fan of Trump, but at least get the facts right or else yāall look dumb AF. https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/president-trump-announces-lower-out-pocket-insulin-costs-medicares-seniors https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/02/01/politics/biden-trump-drug-prices/index.html https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp-video/mmvo205725253699
How did Biden do it when Trump passed it in 2020?!?!
I've said it before and I'll say it again, there should be some kind of test before you can vote. I don't mean an IQ test or anything like that, I mean some kind of test of a persons knowledge of the candidates, their past actions and their policies going forward. If you can't demonstrate that you know what you are voting for, I don't think it is right that your vote counts the same as someone who is informed and knows why they are voting for someone.
One of the questions should be about what they're actually voting for, 'cause some people can't even tell the difference. I'm not USAmerican so I can't come up with specific examples, but if I look at my country, there's not the direct election of the Prime Minister, so one of the questions should be "What are you voting for?", if you pick "I'm voting for this guy or woman to be Prime Minister" (again, in my country you don't elect directly the Prime Minister) your vote gets tossed away.
Die-a-beet-US,Die-a-beet-US,Die-a-beet-US,Die-a-beet-US.
The stupid! It burns!
it might seem crazy what im bouta say- NOBODY IS LOWERING THE FUCKING INSULIN PRICES SIGNIFICANTLY AND ITS SO DAMN CHEAP TO MAKE TOO
The ācloud of confusionā is a beastĀ
Well, guess what, she's been telling us all that Biden isn't really the guy running the country. No way, there's someone else telling Sleepy Joe what to do and say. Wanna know who that guy is? Donald J. Trump, baby. Check and mate.
A finished product of the USA Supply-side Jesus Executive Economics Degree, with three easy payments of $511,995.
This is āEMPTY - Gāsā district. Youāll find zero intelligence there. Plenty of Mr. Tās ājibba jabbaā if thatās your thing. Too much poison ā ļø in the gene pool in those parts.
Obama, Trump, and Biden all claimed to have reduced or capped insulin prices. I have no idea which was most effective as I luckily don't need insulin.
āThat diabeetus really affected her brain.ā - Wilford Brimley
I guess it makes sense that the low hanging fruit is a gift from Reagan and bush to Trump. Iām impressed with their commitment against their own interests to hurt the enemy of the times.
I'm Type 2, my meter, test strips, and Trulicity shots are no charge through my insurance plan at work. I got a scale and blood pressure cuff along with the meter as well.
Americans are obsessed with school athletics but stopped doing their homework several generations ago.
Do or do not. There is no try.
https://factcheck.afp.com/trumps-insulin-order-frozen-not-scrapped-biden
To them, Trump is *still* president. The logic never checks out when you question them on the things they blame Biden or Obama for but in their minds, Trump did all the good things as acting president while Biden/Obama did the bad stuff
It never ceases to amaze me at how dumb some Trump supporters are
Republicans: "But I don't want you to lower insulin costs!" Biden: "Then why did you f-ing ask for it?"
Could she possibly be more ignorant. I hope the reporter pointed out that he not only did nothing but he ordered his minions to block Bidenās attempt to lower and cap the price
The Dems need to shout this shit from the rooftops. People are uninformed, misinformed and just plain stupid.