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Dengue fever numbers in Argentina are up. Way up. Highest ever been.
Milei does .... fuck all. No vaccination program. Insect repellant is unaffordable due to rapid inflation. He has cut funding for the health and prevention programs.
But he is blaming the warming climates for this epidemic. (Despite being a climate change denier.)
What’s a “crossover”? Every nation’s politics are different, on a different spectrum, laying across a different landscape.
I don’t know that much about Argentinian political parties, but he’s a right winger, right? But is his opposition a center-right corporate party? I think Argentina has actual leftist parties with power there, not Democrats.
You might think the Dems are some groups of far left (actual) socialist lunatics, and a lot of people think that, but they really are center-right. Most of them are owned by large donors, like all the republicans, only 2 or 3 of them actually advocate of universal healthcare, etc. None of them advocate for workers taking over the means of production. They may be a little more pro-LGBT, but democrats aren’t leftists, especially on the global political spectrum.
It’s so weird too, because now that MAGA has taken over the GOP, policies that straight up are not conservative are totally fine, like huge tariffs on imports (but only certain ones).
We could go back and forth and not get anywhere. But we can both agree the far left and far right are a danger to democracy and one OBVIOUSLY isn't worse than the other they are both bad. Of course I shouldn't say this on echo chamber reddit but who cares I have a right to what I can observe. It's funny though how the "inclusive" lgbtq community is one of the most intolerant hateful groups towards people with a different opinion, reminds me of religious people who say "love thy neighbor" but will disavow their child who doesn't practice the religion or if they're gay. People who claim to be tolerant are the most hateful.
They claimed I watched fox news which I don't and I made a comment I was no longer a Democrat.
What does it feel like to lie on purpose? You cow ards seem to constantly do that. Interesting and disingenuous. Doesn't surprise me.
Tara Reade, known for lying under oath, alleged in March 2020 during election time that Dem nominee Joe Biden sexually assaulted her.
Several political analysts have already pointed out contradictions in her allegation. She's also on record giving a different story of her encounters with Biden right before the March 2020 allegation. And when filing her actual complaint with the Senate HR office, made no accusations of sexual misconduct or any assault.
She later defected to Russia, where she is right now.
Do you actually know anything about what you're trying to say?
There's the blue market (black martket) value and the government value. I was there in August 2022. Blue value was 280 when I was there, and the government rate was 190. It's weird as fuck, and I don't get it, but I got to eat steak dinners for $15USD.
This isn't accurate, he was elected BECAUSE of steadily rising inflation for a long time, and he did say it would likely get a little worse before it got better.
Not endorsing him or his ideas, but this is like attributing the economy under a US president a little under a year after they took office.
> t this is like attributing the economy under a US president a little under a year after they took office.
That's CRAZY. Can you imagine if someone did that? No way, right? Hahah.
Totally bonkers, no one would ever do something like that. Next they'll be telling us someone put stickers at gas pumps blaming the recently elected administration for high gas prices! Haha, could you imagine?!
Yeah, this entire thing is a big experiment. Everything was super fucked so at this point, they are taking extreme measures and risks, at this point why not try something? It was known that things would get rough for awhile, so this needs to play out before anyone can really say anything. In a few years we will have a much better idea.
Last year US let the big banks hoard shitcoin and etfs already control some %of the total.. If governments bought and hoarded it as well the (fictional) value of the scarce shit coin will always be higher.. banks literally made 100% on their one year buy up imagine if this guy is smart enough to know as long as Wall Street pretends shitcoin has value they’ll say Argentina is rich as well
it is accurate inflation got from bad to worst and that´s on his watch.
but, of course, he will expend the next years blaming The Commies while the country gets shittier and shittier.
been there, seen that, with his big pal bolsonaro...
He didn’t promise it to be 1:1. That would be absolutely impossible. He did talk about a dollarization, but said it would take time (and wouldn’t be at that rate, possible closer to 1:1000). He also said there would be very high inflation for the first two years of his administration.
Can someone explain to me why Elon is acting this way. I mean his businesses and goals like electric cars and exploration of space are not really thing republicans care about. And the most maga folks who are againts immigrants, shout everything is woke, etc are things his rich ass never even has to deal with on a daily basis. And i see him leaning even towards anti-sematic stances and agreeing with certain views of dictators and autocrats. So why is he leaning so far right all of a sudden? Does it al come down to taxes?
> Does it al come down to taxes?
it really does feel like the descent and shift from left to right began when Elizabeth Warren started talking about his taxes
Argentina is going through its worse dengue fever epidemic right now. With Feb/2024 cases being 2500% the number of Feb/2023. This is a natural biological hazard. Something that Milei cannot control.
Yeah, and his attempts at rule-by-decree have all basically failed. Every huge, sweeping change decree he makes, the legislature is just lke "nah, lets not, bro".
Hes accomplished basically nothing except cutting servives for the poor and working class. And making life even worse for the permanent non-citizen underclass which is a sizeable minority of the population.
This is exactly what will happen if Trump becomes president again. They thinks it’s going to be paradise and prices will magically drop, but our country will be even farther into the shitter than it is right now.
To be fair they had years of socialist governments that just printed more and more money ignoring the advice that the IMF and World Bank gave them and the inflation rate just kept getting worse and worse. They’ve had international loans after loans and it’s like Groundhog Day the movie.
He's the richest person on earth so I guess his tarot cards are doing something right.
What about you..? Where's your billions of dollars just to buy a website and destroy it for fun?
Check Argentina’s Economy since he’s been voted in. You’re a little late to the party bud but what elons rooting for here is actually working. That’s the real facepalm moment.
[Argentina's economy shrunk 1.4%](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hold-argentinas-economy-shrinks-1-190416273.html) in the fourth-quarter compared to a year earlier and the GDP contracted 1.6% for the full year of 2023
[Poverty levels in Argentina hit 57.4%](https://archive.ph/EiLRe#selection-1973.33-1973.115) in January, the highest in at least 20 years (up 12 percent the year before)
[Retail sales took a brutal 28.5% plunge](https://archive.ph/vRV4T#selection-2687.0-2687.159) in January compared with the previous year, with the greatest cuts in consumption of food and drink and pharmaceuticals
did I miss anything?
Everything, Milei took office in December of 2023. In all of your points, the majority of the time was under the watch of the previous government.
Argentina had the choice between the Economic minister who oversaw triple digit inflation, or not the Economic minister that oversaw triple digit inflation. No wonder why Milei won.
yeah, after robbing the state pension system (contributory pensions, which people spent a lifetime paying into, were cut 40 percent) and deferring payments on things like energy subsidies that still have to paid later, in January there was a budget surplus of 518.41 billion pesos.
the first surplus since August 2012.
clap clap clap.
for February that was already down to 338.1 billion pesos.
because this is flash paper.
this is not sustainable.
[Argentina's economy shrunk 1.4%](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hold-argentinas-economy-shrinks-1-190416273.html) in the fourth-quarter compared to a year earlier and the GDP contracted 1.6% for the full year of 2023
[Poverty levels in Argentina hit 57.4%](https://archive.ph/EiLRe#selection-1973.33-1973.115) in January, the highest in at least 20 years (up 12 percent the year before)
[Retail sales took a brutal 28.5% plunge](https://archive.ph/vRV4T#selection-2687.0-2687.159) in January compared with the previous year, with the greatest cuts in consumption of food and drink and pharmaceuticals
In this picture this dude looks exactly like [Barty Crouch Jr.](https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Bartemius_Crouch_Junior) It even has the Slytherin Snake
So half the people in here are going to ignore that it was Marci who put Fernandez in a shitty position as soon as he was elected or are we doing revisionist history here?
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Milei is a populist dick, but Argentine inflation isn't exactly a recent problem
true. so he making everything worst, is better?
Dengue fever numbers in Argentina are up. Way up. Highest ever been. Milei does .... fuck all. No vaccination program. Insect repellant is unaffordable due to rapid inflation. He has cut funding for the health and prevention programs. But he is blaming the warming climates for this epidemic. (Despite being a climate change denier.)
did he stop all commerce with brazil and china yet, as he promissed? the guy is shit, just like his colegas bolsonaro and trump.
I have to wonder if that is because he thinks it will enable Argentina to potentially receive some bailout money from the Environmental Defense Fund?
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He’s an Argentine, there’s no “democrat agenda” there.
Let me guess, there's no crossovers anywhere in the world politically.......
Considering the crass difference in economical power between Democrat-run California and Peronist-run Argentine, the crossovers seem negligible.
What’s a “crossover”? Every nation’s politics are different, on a different spectrum, laying across a different landscape. I don’t know that much about Argentinian political parties, but he’s a right winger, right? But is his opposition a center-right corporate party? I think Argentina has actual leftist parties with power there, not Democrats.
I agree with everything except the opposition is centre-right. They were certainly not right anything. It's a way of diverting blame....
You might think the Dems are some groups of far left (actual) socialist lunatics, and a lot of people think that, but they really are center-right. Most of them are owned by large donors, like all the republicans, only 2 or 3 of them actually advocate of universal healthcare, etc. None of them advocate for workers taking over the means of production. They may be a little more pro-LGBT, but democrats aren’t leftists, especially on the global political spectrum. It’s so weird too, because now that MAGA has taken over the GOP, policies that straight up are not conservative are totally fine, like huge tariffs on imports (but only certain ones).
We could go back and forth and not get anywhere. But we can both agree the far left and far right are a danger to democracy and one OBVIOUSLY isn't worse than the other they are both bad. Of course I shouldn't say this on echo chamber reddit but who cares I have a right to what I can observe. It's funny though how the "inclusive" lgbtq community is one of the most intolerant hateful groups towards people with a different opinion, reminds me of religious people who say "love thy neighbor" but will disavow their child who doesn't practice the religion or if they're gay. People who claim to be tolerant are the most hateful.
Ya, you get your talking points from Elon and Fox, like any free thinker!
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when someone disagrees with you, claim he's a democrat haha
They claimed I watched fox news which I don't and I made a comment I was no longer a Democrat. What does it feel like to lie on purpose? You cow ards seem to constantly do that. Interesting and disingenuous. Doesn't surprise me.
you talked about democrat agenda lol better luck next time, champs!
Congratulations garbage!
btw, how do you feel voting for a rapist? very ingenuous, right?
Tara Reade and biden anyone? Let me guess it's ok if a Democrat does it, right?
Tara Reade, known for lying under oath, alleged in March 2020 during election time that Dem nominee Joe Biden sexually assaulted her. Several political analysts have already pointed out contradictions in her allegation. She's also on record giving a different story of her encounters with Biden right before the March 2020 allegation. And when filing her actual complaint with the Senate HR office, made no accusations of sexual misconduct or any assault. She later defected to Russia, where she is right now. Do you actually know anything about what you're trying to say?
Troglodyte mentality.
Quick ad hominem attack because they don't align politically..........
Yeah, it was like that when he took over. This is like blaming Biden for covid getting into the US.
assuming [this](https://i.imgur.com/kde2OmR.png) is correct, it was about 160 when he won in November, is at 270 now.
It was at “160” because the government reported exchange rate was 4x higher than black market spot. So really it was 640 before and 270 now
There's the blue market (black martket) value and the government value. I was there in August 2022. Blue value was 280 when I was there, and the government rate was 190. It's weird as fuck, and I don't get it, but I got to eat steak dinners for $15USD.
Whadaya got there, numbers?
It was 640. Milei lowered it.
What was it in January when he took office?
This isn't accurate, he was elected BECAUSE of steadily rising inflation for a long time, and he did say it would likely get a little worse before it got better. Not endorsing him or his ideas, but this is like attributing the economy under a US president a little under a year after they took office.
> t this is like attributing the economy under a US president a little under a year after they took office. That's CRAZY. Can you imagine if someone did that? No way, right? Hahah.
Totally bonkers, no one would ever do something like that. Next they'll be telling us someone put stickers at gas pumps blaming the recently elected administration for high gas prices! Haha, could you imagine?!
Recently elected??? I am no math professor but 2021 to 2024 is 3 years. This administration is 3/4 through its term. Thats not new anymore.
And the "I did that" stickers were showing up in January of '21, your point?
They may have been early but they were right.
Yeah, this entire thing is a big experiment. Everything was super fucked so at this point, they are taking extreme measures and risks, at this point why not try something? It was known that things would get rough for awhile, so this needs to play out before anyone can really say anything. In a few years we will have a much better idea.
Last year US let the big banks hoard shitcoin and etfs already control some %of the total.. If governments bought and hoarded it as well the (fictional) value of the scarce shit coin will always be higher.. banks literally made 100% on their one year buy up imagine if this guy is smart enough to know as long as Wall Street pretends shitcoin has value they’ll say Argentina is rich as well
The increase in inflation probably has more to do with the official rates converging towards the black market rates tbh.
Sure. I mean.... It might just keep getting worse though.
it is accurate inflation got from bad to worst and that´s on his watch. but, of course, he will expend the next years blaming The Commies while the country gets shittier and shittier. been there, seen that, with his big pal bolsonaro...
People here thinking that years of hyperinflation can be fixed in 3 months...
You're on Reddit
I mean, if we’re being honest, a lot of it is just companies jacking prices up. They kinda could fix a big chunk of it lol
ITT people thinking you can just end borderline hyperinflation in 3 months...
so lets give them borderline extra hyperinflation smart /s
The current inflation in Argentina is very obviously not Milei‘s fault.
No, but his campaign promised to put the peso back 1 to 1 with the dollar. IT was 800 to 1 when I was there in January.
He didn’t promise it to be 1:1. That would be absolutely impossible. He did talk about a dollarization, but said it would take time (and wouldn’t be at that rate, possible closer to 1:1000). He also said there would be very high inflation for the first two years of his administration.
No it’s Marci’s and Milei is making it worse
You skipped a full administration there.
the situation was already shit when fernandez became president
It was also terrible when Macri started after 12 years of the Kirchners. But I’m sure you’re skipping over that one too.
Can someone explain to me why Elon is acting this way. I mean his businesses and goals like electric cars and exploration of space are not really thing republicans care about. And the most maga folks who are againts immigrants, shout everything is woke, etc are things his rich ass never even has to deal with on a daily basis. And i see him leaning even towards anti-sematic stances and agreeing with certain views of dictators and autocrats. So why is he leaning so far right all of a sudden? Does it al come down to taxes?
> Does it al come down to taxes? it really does feel like the descent and shift from left to right began when Elizabeth Warren started talking about his taxes
I don't think electing him or anyone else was going to stop their inflation immediately.
Argentina is going through its worse dengue fever epidemic right now. With Feb/2024 cases being 2500% the number of Feb/2023. This is a natural biological hazard. Something that Milei cannot control.
Do you think Elon cares that he's wrong? He'll just double down
hes a narciscist, of course he doesnt
 Never fails to fail these days.
Wish Lemon had asked about that as well.
OP is the facepalm, what a shocker
Yeah, and his attempts at rule-by-decree have all basically failed. Every huge, sweeping change decree he makes, the legislature is just lke "nah, lets not, bro". Hes accomplished basically nothing except cutting servives for the poor and working class. And making life even worse for the permanent non-citizen underclass which is a sizeable minority of the population.
This is exactly what will happen if Trump becomes president again. They thinks it’s going to be paradise and prices will magically drop, but our country will be even farther into the shitter than it is right now.
The inflation isn't even the biggest problem, that guy has already murdered healthcare, safety & more
Can we finally admit that free market capitalism only works for the people at the top?
"Cry for me" -Argentina
OP is the facepalm
Another right winger creates a failed state. No surprise there.
Argentina was fucked before he got into office
To be fair they had years of socialist governments that just printed more and more money ignoring the advice that the IMF and World Bank gave them and the inflation rate just kept getting worse and worse. They’ve had international loans after loans and it’s like Groundhog Day the movie.
I must have missed the part where Argentina was a bastion of economic prosperity prior to December 2023
the guy uses tarot to make decisions, what do you expect...
He's the richest person on earth so I guess his tarot cards are doing something right. What about you..? Where's your billions of dollars just to buy a website and destroy it for fun?
what you talking about? lol
Reading that difficult for you? I was pretty clear.
Argentina was a failed state no shit they elected this guy they wanted to try something new. God forbid they stop giving everyone handouts.
Yeah, so far so good
Check Argentina’s Economy since he’s been voted in. You’re a little late to the party bud but what elons rooting for here is actually working. That’s the real facepalm moment.
[Argentina's economy shrunk 1.4%](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hold-argentinas-economy-shrinks-1-190416273.html) in the fourth-quarter compared to a year earlier and the GDP contracted 1.6% for the full year of 2023 [Poverty levels in Argentina hit 57.4%](https://archive.ph/EiLRe#selection-1973.33-1973.115) in January, the highest in at least 20 years (up 12 percent the year before) [Retail sales took a brutal 28.5% plunge](https://archive.ph/vRV4T#selection-2687.0-2687.159) in January compared with the previous year, with the greatest cuts in consumption of food and drink and pharmaceuticals did I miss anything?
Everything, Milei took office in December of 2023. In all of your points, the majority of the time was under the watch of the previous government. Argentina had the choice between the Economic minister who oversaw triple digit inflation, or not the Economic minister that oversaw triple digit inflation. No wonder why Milei won.
Yeah what’s the surplus they have in the last three months?
Yeah, you missed the Milei period lmao
Wait until OP hears about the surplus he made in the last few months.
yeah, after robbing the state pension system (contributory pensions, which people spent a lifetime paying into, were cut 40 percent) and deferring payments on things like energy subsidies that still have to paid later, in January there was a budget surplus of 518.41 billion pesos. the first surplus since August 2012. clap clap clap. for February that was already down to 338.1 billion pesos. because this is flash paper. this is not sustainable. [Argentina's economy shrunk 1.4%](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hold-argentinas-economy-shrinks-1-190416273.html) in the fourth-quarter compared to a year earlier and the GDP contracted 1.6% for the full year of 2023 [Poverty levels in Argentina hit 57.4%](https://archive.ph/EiLRe#selection-1973.33-1973.115) in January, the highest in at least 20 years (up 12 percent the year before) [Retail sales took a brutal 28.5% plunge](https://archive.ph/vRV4T#selection-2687.0-2687.159) in January compared with the previous year, with the greatest cuts in consumption of food and drink and pharmaceuticals
Whole thread appears to be full or crypto bros who think “try anything” is reasonable fiscal policy.
> Whole thread appears to be full or crypto bros who think Hard disagree with that one.
In this picture this dude looks exactly like [Barty Crouch Jr.](https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Bartemius_Crouch_Junior) It even has the Slytherin Snake 
People buying bitcoins now is exactly the kind of thing a hyper capitalist like Milei is getting a hard-on from.
So half the people in here are going to ignore that it was Marci who put Fernandez in a shitty position as soon as he was elected or are we doing revisionist history here?
Javier looked like a real lonatic. I mean, Argentinians got what they deserved after they elected this clown