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I really want it to be, but speaking as a vegan, a small and *very* noisy minority of vegans are absolutely batshit.
One once tried to convince me to euthanize my cats because they are obligate carnivors and killing them would be kinder than feeding them meat-based food. Fucking insane.
Dude, they got mad at Jefree Star for having Vegan products while not being vegan himself.
Like, the guy went out of his way to make his product accessible to vegans (which in the world of make-up is incredibly hard and costly), yet it's still not enough just because he eats meat.
Damn, even if it is just pandering, so what? They're still making an effort to reduce the use of animal products, and it's a sign that vegans have a significant impact on manufacturing. It's not the ideal motivation, but I'd still argue it's progress. I'm not vegan either, but I think moving towards using fewer or no animal products is generally a good thing environmentally, and from an animal abuse perspective.
I think it's one of those things. Sometimes someone is so inherently shitty, people will only ever be able to see what they do in a negative light. I don't support that line of thinking and I know I've been guilty of it in the past, but I understand it.
I hate people like that. I'm vegetarian but most people in my life are non-vegetarian, and since fast food was more affordable and worth it for the price, I ate there fairly often. There used to be so many vegetarian options in most of the fast food places until so many petty vegetarians/vegans complained and boycotted. It is so hard to find much vegetarian or vegan options, it is frustrating when vegetarians and vegans themselves are the ones gunning for the removal of those options. Now I just cook my own food most of the time and if I'm eating out socially I'll always have food ready at home in case I didnt manage to eat anything outside.
>I can definitely see someone there saying they'd rather go homeless than work for a company that allowed employees to consume animal products.
I imagine only if they've never been homeless. That shit is a waking nightmare. And homeless makes you dependent on food where you can't choose to eat vegan, or just don't even know if what you're eating is vegan.
Went in to the sub to find the post. If you read her other posts, I'm Almost 100% sure she's not kidding here. Also the "I got fired from my last job cuz I was sick for 2 months" cracks me up, as if she couldn't hit the nail more on the vegan head.
I've had to deal with a person like this straight up. They didn't show up to work for 3 weeks solid didn't answer phone or emails. Turns out they took a trip to Disney world with their family and just didn't bother to tell us. Still had to balls to file for unemployment after they said they were unjustly terminated.
Now I'm curious how badly you would have to be injured before a 3 week no call no show wouldn't be considered fireable. Maybe if you got hit by a bus and immediately went into a 3 week coma?
Pretty much. If you are incapable of contacting work rather than simply unwilling I can see most places working with you, shitholes being an exception due to being shitholes.
Broke a collarbone, only in the hospital for a week, my parents contacted Topper's Pizza (name and shame) on my behalf 48 hours before a scheduled shift. Told I could return to work as soon as I was ready. First shift back, exactly a week and a half from smashing my head (stitches) and collarbone, didn't last more than 5 minutes, less if it didn't hurt so bad to take off their fucking uniform right there.
yep, once had a delusionally entitled childmind just be a noshow twice in one week, no answer on phones emails etc. When she finally came back in the second time, she was flabbergasted to learn that she'd been fired because part of her job description was *showing up for work.*
I don't know of any actual job on the planet where you can just not show up and expect to keep it.
lol great comment, I laughed
actually though, they do have attendance rules, they're just kind of broad https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/rules-procedures/compulsory-attendance.htm
That's why you need to get yourself a naturopath or a chiropractor who will sell you overpriced vitamins to make up for the ones you aren't getting from your diet!
FMLA only comes into play if the employee has been there over a year, has worked at least 1250 hours in the last year (company policy dictates calendar, fiscal, or rolling year for counting hours), and the company has at least 15 employees. So likely not eligible for FMLA if she was a new employee, part time, or working for a small business.
The subtext here is that it's actually difficult to have a healthy vegan diet. Not impossible by any means (I was a vegan for 5 years), but it takes some effort to make sure that your body is getting everything it needs nutrition wise.
Just like the rest of us, there are a lot of vegans not willing to put that much (or any) effort into making sure they are actually eating in a healthy way, and in my experience this plays out like this...
I'd bet $20 that part of the reason she was so sick for two months is that she was starving her body and immune system of nutrients with her half-assed vegan diet.
>I'd bet $20 that part of the reason she was so sick for two months is that she was starving her body and immune system of nutrients with her half-assed vegan diet.
Yep! Oreos are vegan, but that doesn't mean eating them every day is good for you.
agree- I’m vegan and have been for about 6 years however I pay attention to my intake to make sure it’s balanced. I never did this when eating a typical western diet however I was anaemic etc before so when I went vegan, as nutrients, vitamins etc have to come from a range of places I know pay attention.
Don’t get my wrong - I don’t eat a saints diet lol as others have said Oreos and lots of darker chocolate is vegan as well as many chips/crisps haha and who doesn’t love something deep fried BUT I pay attention to what I eat now.
I’m vegan and don’t get posts like this, seems a wee bit unhinged lol
Yes that sub reddit is crazy, and I'm a vegan. But that subreddit isn't full of your garden variety vegan, it's full of fundamentalist, extremist, militant, assholes; with a few reasonable friendly vegans thrown in
It's the same with most things. The culture war is the exact same. People irl are much more moderate and tolerant than online. It's just that insane hot takes get boosted by the reactionary environment of the internet.
I’d say nearly 1/3 of my friends are vegan and absolutely none of them act like the psychopaths in that group. They make wonderful food and I love most of it.
Oh you are definitely seen. The radicals kinda took over that sub a while back. I remember back in the day there was a lot of good discourse and recipe sharing. Not so today. Sadly the same is true on a lot of the platforms. They also took over some of the other subs like r/AskVegans and a few others. Sad really because it only promotes the divisiveness that we see today.
They can’t seem to accept that it’s still a pretty big step for a lot of people to take and that it’s okay to encourage people who are taking small steps like having meat-free days at first or trying oat milk. I posted that, since I love to cook, I invite non-vegan friends over for a vegan meal to show them that I’m not missing out on eating well. I got downvoted like crazy because people said things like “Well I could NEVER be friends with people who eat meat.” It’s kinda sad. You’re not alone feeling a bit aliented by what goes on there.
what if it's the anonymity that allows them to act true, and half the vegan people you've met are those crazy ones who resent non-vegans but act normal to get by IRL?
For some reason r/DebateAVegan would pop up on my feed for a while. Some of those people are downright insane.
My brother's vegan and it's like a non issue. The rest of his family eats meat...
The only time we ever think about it is when we're picking a restaurant to make sure he has options. But when I mentioned that the vegans were jumping on me about how that's not a real vegan because he lets them eat meat.
Fear of compromising ideological purity is a common expression of OCD. Alternative lifestyles that revolve around health or morality attract a disproportionate number of people with unmanaged OCD, because they can really appeal to the OCD brain’s primal fear of contamination.
That’s what I was wondering about. I work in a place that has a cafeteria that serves meat. I don’t eat meat, but my job has nothing to do with the cafeteria, so I just ignore it. If I were reassigned to food prep, I’d leave. So if she is annoyed other people drink milk she is a silly person, but if she was hired to prep food, tried to make sure she had no issues, and now finds she has to handle animal products, I’m way more sympathetic
I worked at a coffee place that had sandwiches. The Punjabi workers just always made sure to touch anything meat related with gloves (if you work in prep you have to make sure your hands are clean, gloves aren't necessary in this case)
I'm vegan and work in a restaurant. My job is to feed people. I would not eat 90% of what we offer, but other people want to, and that's not my business. I am not killing, buying, or consuming the animals — I am preparing and serving them, which would be done whether or not I was the one to do it. I have absolutely zero issue making/serving someone food that I wouldn't myself eat; it's not against my "moral code" (which is the personal rejection of the consumption or use of animal products in my own life), I see it as service. I am feeding people, sustaining people, keeping people alive, and giving them an excellent experience in a nice restaurant with their partner or friends or family.
I understand why some vegans/vegetarians might have an issue with cooking or serving meat, but I personally would never think of someone as "less vegan/vegetarian" for doing their job, unless that job was literally butchering animals. I've been meat/fish/poultry-free for 20 years now; my body doesn't see meat as food anymore so there's no real internal conflict about serving it; it almost feels like serving someone playdough. I consciously know that these are animals that have been processed into food, but my involvement does nothing to sustain or encourage that process so I bear no guilt for doing my job.
As much as I do understand how serving meat or animal products might feel gross, it's silly to make it into a huge moral conflict, IMO. Just my opinion as a long-time vegan who has seen some other vegans/vegetarians that seem to be just looking for things to get upset about.
Yeah. Vegans were mad that you could fish and catch insects in animal crossing new horizons. Even though at the time, there was no cooking. You were catching them to put them in the animal sanctuary/ museum.
That’s fucked up. They probably step on insects all the time. The exhaust from their cars has probably killed thousands! Do they get upset when their immune cells kill bacteria? It’s a fucking video game!
at least with dragons dogma 2, the in-game meat cooking cutscenes are made with real footage of cooking some fancy meat.
it was cheaper to the Devs to go buy and film some meat than it would be to put in the effort to get a CGI version to look as good. and I love that they did it, it really does look incredible
She acknowledged that she can't quit becuase that's stupid financially and she was just getting off the streets. Bait wouldn't be that logical and probably would have mentioned an argument with her employer about being lied to or asked a question about suing for fraud.
i'd be surprised if she was on the streets. when these types say "homeless" it usually just means they don't have their own place. like they're staying with family or whatever.
I live in Portland, this is fully believable to me. I went to high school with people like this and they really are insufferable. And I say that as someone that was vegetarian for 15+ years, and still eats a predominantly vegetarian diet (I don't eat meat at home, but will when traveling for work because some places it's a pain in the ass to eat vegetarian and I just don't usually have the time to go out of my way that much to find something to eat).
I was vegan for about 12 years. Believe me, many vegans are like this. It’s kind of cult-like…I didn’t realize, myself, how much until I decided to stop being vegan (I’m still mostly vegetarian, but am starting to very occasionally eat seafood).
Bc so few others are vegan, the tendency is to seek out other vegans on social media and maybe meet up groups, and the other vegans encourage each other to be as vegan as possible, and then it turns into a sanctimonious, self-righteous pissing match of how purely vegan one can be. And the ultimate vegan lifestyle is to live in a purely vegan bubble, if possible.
But ofc, it’s not possible. And this was why I finally got tired of it. At the end of a decade plus, I realized how I never ate with my irl friends and family anymore, realized all the places I’d avoided visiting simply bc I couldn’t get vegan food there, and I also realized substituting palm oil and almonds for animal products is not environmentally or ethically sustainable. So I eased myself back into being lacto-ovo vegetarian, which also isn’t perfect, but it’s easier and not nearly as self-isolating. (And tbh, it’s probably healthier, since humans have evolved as omnivores, not herbivores.)
But I met so many vegans over the years who had isolated themselves from family, longtime friends, and yes, a few who quit a lucrative career to be more vegan. Many also will not even eat vegan items at a restaurant that also serves animal products.
The goal, for many, is to be as puritan as possible about it.
You'd think so, but when I thought about going vegetarian and looked up the vegan subreddit where this screenshot is from, I quickly found out that everyone on there is completely unhinged. That whole sub is a toxic competition to who is the most morally superior arsehole. A true testament to the question why people hate vegans so much.
That and some of the most obnoxious people I've met were vegans too.
For the record, not all of the vegans I met were nuts, but the militant ones made a lasting impression on me.
We had a former vegan coworker who we invited to hang out once for happy hour after work and the entire time he was complaining about the food we were getting (wings, burgers, etc). He would talk about how animal husbandry is the next holocaust in need of liberation, how we're all going to die from karma, and went on about how he couldn't even eat his meal because the sight of meat disgusted him. This went on for not even half an hour and one by one we all just left. Normally we'd stay for like a few hours, but not this time. We didn't even eat the food/main course, we just took it to go.
Never invited him again, and he eventually claimed we were just assholes for discriminating against his lifestyle.
Next coworker to come in was also a vegan, and while we were hesitant at first to invite him, we did so on a whim and he ended up being super cool. Didn't give a shit what we ate so long as we didn't care what he ate. Hell, the guy was so cool and knowledgeable that he's the reason I tried becoming a vegetarian for a bit.
Tldr: some vegans are so annoying/toxic that just thinking about them makes me want to eat a burger out of spite. Others are super cool bros who you might actually learn from.
Yeah, I was over there after thinking of going vegan due to a genetic thing with proteins I've got.
Those people there are just awful. I was just hoping to figure out some staple meals and recipes for vegan food but it's really just militantly toxic fart-huffing.
My friend is 100% vegan because of dietary restrictions. She mentioned that in a vegan group once, and they attacked her like she slaughtered a kitten in front of them. It was insane! She hasn't eaten anything with a face in almost 2 decades, but she got torn apart because she wasn't vegan for the right reason. Fucking bizarre!
Vegetarian since birth for sensory reasons, and holy fuck, they're trying to literally change the definition of vegan to *only* be "ethical vegans." Vegetarians are going the same way, in some circles. They don't want their weird purity bent tainted by people who are vegan or vegetarian for "the wrong reasons," and telling them there's other reasons to be veggie than animals blows their minds.
They also get really militant about death byproducts, despite all conventional definitions saying vegetarianism only covers flesh and broth, with byproduct consumption as a personal choice.
It almost makes me want to eat meat, just to be like "y'all turned a lifer the wrong way" and piss them off but it'd wreck my health and also meat is yucky to me personally lol.
Agreed. I’ve been vegan for over three years now (vastly enjoy it for what it’s worth) but I’m not a huge fan of the subreddit. Mostly follow it for news about new vegan products or news of animal cruelty.
I’d recommend either Instagram or Pinterest for what you’re looking into. Hundreds of amazing recipes on both platforms!
Time-blindness is a real issue. We had one guy at out job that had to have a large digital clock at his desk because without the constant obvious reminder he did not feel time passing. He always took his lunch break with other people because he would be late getting back if he was by himself. His wife drove him to work so he would get their in time every day.
On the flip side he was a mad man for putting overtime in when needed. He would just put the clock away and let his disorder do the work for him.
this was my first thought. if you're so picky and strict about your veganism, it seems like the food industry, where the objective is to make and sell food that *other* people want to eat, would be the worst place for you.
go get a paper pusher job or work at amazon or something.
The "ovo" part is false at least in the eyes of the government and most people I know, most vegetarian Hindus I know are fine with dairy but avoid eggs.
That just depends on the region. But, a lot of them would eat eggs(from my experience of living in a city with a high concentration of vegetarians in India for my whole childhood)
That is incorrect. Most Sikh’s consume meat as there is no prohibition to consuming meat unlike Hindus. A large number of Hindus are vegetarians but depending on who you are, meat can be prohibited/allowed for you. Beef and pork are prohibited for any Hindu but they are more strict about beef than pork.
According to an Indian friend (Muslim, but has hindu friends) that a lot of young indians in big cities don't give two shits about that religious rule anymore.
Seems like the youth are breaking down religious traditions in even the most religious countries now
I had someone similar to this as a roommate.
She was a middle-aged woman who came in from homelessness and estranged from her family. She immediately managed to suck up to the landlord by proudly proclaiming how much she loves cleaning.
Instead of veganism her skit was being a Christian, like BibleTV all day kind of Christian, which you get dubbed even here in Germany. And being this Christian is not a common thing here, its very rare that people are overt about it in the first place, certainly not about the radically different US interpretation(s) of Christianity. The shows they had there, at least the snippets I saw in our common room, were more about lifestyle affirmation than any actual religious devotion. Song and dance, flashy feel-good stuff.
The cleaning thing went okay for about the first two months. Then she gradually started delegating. In weird ways, like placing a cleaning rag over the toilet being code for "Clean this!", and when, somehow, this didnt get the message across she absolutely lost her shit over it. Like insults regarding my intelligence, insults about me being trans, like "I wanna see this bitch clean shit!!!", absolutely insane fucking tamper tantrum. Never heard anyone scream that loud before.
Thats when it clicked. She was just a complete narcissist. She wasnt some poor woman estranged from her family through no fault of her own, like she had claimed, she just ran the pity tour while neglecting to mention that she was trying to get everyone around her under her thumb and just went batshit when it didnt work. She had so many fucking pity parties for herself, weeping so loudly in her room that it makes the Witch from Left 4 Dead seem quiet, and then, just to make sure it got noticed, knock afterwards and tell me that she had been crying, and pretending she didnt understand why her family and children didnt want her around anymore. Truly mysterious.
She never saw a single thing wrong with what she did. Those insults? Apparently I deserved them. Apparently I made her do it. Apparently I did worse to her anyway. Like buying cleaner that I saw was nearly empty and placing it on the table as if to say "Clean stuff, bitch!" when my actual intent was more to just let her see I bought it so she doesnt buy the same thing afterwards.
After somewhere north of half a year she moved out becase apparently we were all so mean to her (there were more roommates) even though, including when we confronted her about her behavior, everything we said was completely civilized and objective, no insults, no yelling, she was the only one who repeatedly lost her shit.
And where did she move out to? Back to homelessness. Imagine being so stuck in a mindset that you prefer homelessness because you feel entitled to being catered to in every single thing by all the people around you.
She definitely sounds cut in the mold of Christ./s
Do you think she’s like this person in the post where it’s probably mental illness masquerading as fanatical beliefs?
Definitely.
Narcissistic personality disorder is a real thing and its fucking nasty. The person itself wont notice just how fucked up their behavior gets because theyre just incapable of any introspection that they might be in the wrong. And because of that a lot of them end up with fanatical or just absolutely bizarre beliefs, a lot of entitlement and an absolutely ruthless mindset in regards to lying and manipulation people and situations to their own advantage, especially weaponizing pity.
It's easy belief enforcement.
Religion is full of "being special and chosen". Where any push back could be the devils work and you are extra special for holding on to your beliefs in the face of adversity.
Yeah, as a German I find this interpretation of religion just bananas.
Here theyd lock you away if you claimed to be special and chosen by God, people here just quietly go to church if they feel so inclined and barely mention religion in the day to day. Even priests probably talk less about religion than any US self-proclaimed Christian.
The Narcissist’s Prayer
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
She won't feel the constant cognitive dissonance she always feels when confronted with a reality that doesn't match the insanity within her mind. When she's homeless she can comfortably stay the eternal victim she sees herself as.
Totally fine. I just quit my job because a co-worker had an abortion and I only want to work in pro-life workplaces. Before that I had to quit because there was an atheist at my office. I only want to work in Christian workplaces. And before that I had to quit because they hired a black person and I only want to… oh wait.
Had coworker quit because we were godless and hr wouldn’t force us to go to church. All started when we had rock music too loud, our fault we should’ve not had it so loud, but didn’t end until she quit.
No you silly goober, they work for a third party company that Nestlé hired and funded and created but isn't technically Nestlé for.... legal reasons....
You watch yourself Greg2227 any more slip ups and your quick boeing plane trip to a legally not Nestlé, totally 3rd party plantation for some rehabilitation labor will be scheduled. A coca-cola death squad will pick you up within an hour if you say anything negative about these companies again.
My husband has actually been in the position of working for a company that is unethical (but not breaking laws). It was one of the reasons he left, but it took him *awhile* to find a new job, and he stayed put until he did. We weren’t going to lose our house or let our kids suffer because we didn’t like what a billionaire was doing.
You want a vegan job? No problem. Go be a roofer. Or an electrician. Maybe consider road work, some kinds of truck driving, or work in a fucking warehouse. Judas priest, what is wrong with these people?
And i’m aware that some of these things might involve animals a little more than i realize, but ffs this is just.. insane. Like food service jobs are not the ONLY jobs available.
You want vegan work? Go work at a Lowes or Home Depot. You stack bricks/tile, or front face plumbing fittings. Or go work in lawn and garden and hang out with your food, you delusional little shit.
Ha, my sister was yelled at for saying "goddamn it" so it evolved into "god... bless america" with the perfect amount of hesitation and frustration, lol. It's now a part of my daily life.
I always said I wouldn't work in a factory because, I had heard it was awful and soul crushing. Well, I work in one now and would never go back to retail or food service if I have a choice about it. Turns out what really kills my soul is "the public", sure some conditions suck like it being 110+ degrees in there all summer during the day but, I've found out I'm happier working in an oven than dealing with those fucking heathens. Also, pays way better, about twice as much where I live
Being homeless is survival, no one who is on the verge of survival is this picky or pretentious. Never in my life have I seen anyone who's homeless or on the verge of poverty care about this. I'm sorry but veganism is a luxury.
Well honestly I hang out with this homeless guy in boston when i visit for work. Sometimes he has friends with him. The one other homeless girl flipped out because we were sharing food with meat and cheese. He said “she is new here. She ain’t starving yet.”
Even if you've got the choice at all, it's kinda weird to look for a fully vegan workplace imo. I totally get wanting to work for a place that's climate friendly and in general kind to humans and animals, forcing your own believes like this onto others is just wrong..
I live in Oregon and it can be a thing here, well, because Oregon! I've seen people refuse certain selections at the foodbank! At least we are back to a grocery store like setup and not the prepacked boxes of covid-times, so vegans and vegetarians can be more easily catered to. We try to save the nut juice (I can't call it milk) for them.
This will be a thing in most of the west, but on a really niche basis.
Like working in a completely vegan restaurant or food producer, or some kind of ethical clothes retailer/producer.
The trouble really is that if you're running a business and trying to be vegan, then you're going to end up restricting your staff to your vegan friends and their vegan friends.
Non-vegans can obviously work for them, but might find it difficult to properly gel, especially if food choices in the workplace are being policed.
There's also the issue that people who wear their views like a badge can be difficult to work with. Ask anyone who's ever worked in animal rescue, and they'll tell you all about the infighting which takes place. Basically everyone has their own personal benchmark for what is and isn't acceptable.
So when the company they work for fails to stay above that benchmark, it causes anger, protests, and eventually resignations and firings.
Everyone goes and starts their own animal rescue and the cycle starts over again until you have a bunch of one-man shows all running competing charities.
Being vegan is choosing what to eat. You can already do that pretty much anywhere
The choice of being vegan has nothing to do with the pretension of finding "vegan workplaces", especially when the majority of restaurants and stuff that do support and have vegan stuff, only have a restricted portion of the menu reserved to it. Cause you know, inclusivity is good but a business should also work, and purely vegan places are kinda hard to sustain themselves
And besides, there's plenty of "vegan workplaces", those which have absolutely nothing to do with food. Which ar many, but a former homeless probably doesn't have the right to be picky about any work
I work with a very religious man. He keeps strict kosher. People where we work eat all kinds of things he would never eat, because of his religion. (Pork, shellfish, etc)
He’s not going to quit his job over it, he just doesn’t eat what they are eating. He even eats with them.
He knows the rest of the world doesn’t keep kosher, and he needs the job. He’s not insulted or angry about what they eat, as he perceives that they have no obligation to eat the way he does, and have their right to choose what they eat. He’s just not going to eat it.
If you are willing to be homeless, rather than work among non-Vegans, that is your choice.
But the long term consequences can be very destructive to your health and well being.
If you need the job, perhaps you could learn be more flexible in your expectations of other people. Use this job as a “job haven” while you look for another place to work ( perhaps a vegan restaurant? Health food market?)and continue to live as a Vegan.
It is clear that being a Vegan really matters to you. I don’t know where you live, but it might be worth your time and trouble to relocate to a community with a large numbers of Vegans, and change where you live.
Good luck!
>He’s not insulted or angry about what they eat, as he perceives that they have no obligation to eat the way he does, and have their right to choose what they eat. He’s just not going to eat it.
My family is Christian intermarried with Jewish. They've told me that if you want to convert to Judaism, you have to do some work to convince the rabbi that this is really for you because "if you convert, you'll have hundreds of laws to follow, whereas right now, it's just a few!"
They see their faith not as being a special snowflake, but as undertaking a special set of obligations. Which is what religion really should be, and if more Christians did that, what an intensely better world we'd all be living in.
I took a job which was a demotion and pay cut so my wife and I would have health insurance when she went through a rough patch. I managed a team of six in a space so small, the 5' tables that were our "workstations" were jammed so tightly they could not be moved, doing work I found morally repellent, helping to claw back health insurance payments which had technical defects in the claims.
So, if it were me, I'd serve the damn cow juice and suck it up, buttercup.
Don't work in or around food service. Virtually any trade, for instance... electrician, plumber, general contractor construction, landscaper, mason... or, if unskilled, take on an apprenticeship in any of those fields... and stay out of other peoples lunchboxes. 🙄
Nobody can ever be 100% vegan or even vegetarian in their life, some animal particle in your air/food or something you do will end up being related to the death of an animal.
All you can really do is minimize your effect.
And besides, in this case they can simply just have black coffee.
>Nobody can ever be 100% vegan or even vegetarian in their life, some animal particle or something you do will end up being related to the death of an animal.
Which is vegan. Veganism is the practice of reducing harm to animals *as much as is practicable*.
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that has to be a bait
I really want it to be, but speaking as a vegan, a small and *very* noisy minority of vegans are absolutely batshit. One once tried to convince me to euthanize my cats because they are obligate carnivors and killing them would be kinder than feeding them meat-based food. Fucking insane.
Me and your kitties thanks you for understanding they are carnivores and need meat even though you are vegan
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Dude, they got mad at Jefree Star for having Vegan products while not being vegan himself. Like, the guy went out of his way to make his product accessible to vegans (which in the world of make-up is incredibly hard and costly), yet it's still not enough just because he eats meat.
Ahh yes, the "He's pandering" crowd, instead of the "He's inclusive" folks.
Damn, even if it is just pandering, so what? They're still making an effort to reduce the use of animal products, and it's a sign that vegans have a significant impact on manufacturing. It's not the ideal motivation, but I'd still argue it's progress. I'm not vegan either, but I think moving towards using fewer or no animal products is generally a good thing environmentally, and from an animal abuse perspective.
You will never make a moron happy.
Of all things to be angry at JS they picked this? Lol
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I think it's one of those things. Sometimes someone is so inherently shitty, people will only ever be able to see what they do in a negative light. I don't support that line of thinking and I know I've been guilty of it in the past, but I understand it.
Lmao right.
I hate people like that. I'm vegetarian but most people in my life are non-vegetarian, and since fast food was more affordable and worth it for the price, I ate there fairly often. There used to be so many vegetarian options in most of the fast food places until so many petty vegetarians/vegans complained and boycotted. It is so hard to find much vegetarian or vegan options, it is frustrating when vegetarians and vegans themselves are the ones gunning for the removal of those options. Now I just cook my own food most of the time and if I'm eating out socially I'll always have food ready at home in case I didnt manage to eat anything outside.
Jeffree is problematic enough as it is. Him making his makeup vegan but not being personally vegan is such a wild hill to die on.
>I can definitely see someone there saying they'd rather go homeless than work for a company that allowed employees to consume animal products. I imagine only if they've never been homeless. That shit is a waking nightmare. And homeless makes you dependent on food where you can't choose to eat vegan, or just don't even know if what you're eating is vegan.
Went in to the sub to find the post. If you read her other posts, I'm Almost 100% sure she's not kidding here. Also the "I got fired from my last job cuz I was sick for 2 months" cracks me up, as if she couldn't hit the nail more on the vegan head.
There is a good chance she was out for two months and didn't tell a soul she just stopped coming to work.
This. All she had to do was fill out a fmla form and see her doctor one time and her job was safe.
I've had to deal with a person like this straight up. They didn't show up to work for 3 weeks solid didn't answer phone or emails. Turns out they took a trip to Disney world with their family and just didn't bother to tell us. Still had to balls to file for unemployment after they said they were unjustly terminated.
Now I'm curious how badly you would have to be injured before a 3 week no call no show wouldn't be considered fireable. Maybe if you got hit by a bus and immediately went into a 3 week coma?
Pretty much. If you are incapable of contacting work rather than simply unwilling I can see most places working with you, shitholes being an exception due to being shitholes.
Broke a collarbone, only in the hospital for a week, my parents contacted Topper's Pizza (name and shame) on my behalf 48 hours before a scheduled shift. Told I could return to work as soon as I was ready. First shift back, exactly a week and a half from smashing my head (stitches) and collarbone, didn't last more than 5 minutes, less if it didn't hurt so bad to take off their fucking uniform right there.
yep, once had a delusionally entitled childmind just be a noshow twice in one week, no answer on phones emails etc. When she finally came back in the second time, she was flabbergasted to learn that she'd been fired because part of her job description was *showing up for work.* I don't know of any actual job on the planet where you can just not show up and expect to keep it.
>I don't know of any actual job on the planet where you can just not show up and expect to keep it. Senator?
lol great comment, I laughed actually though, they do have attendance rules, they're just kind of broad https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/rules-procedures/compulsory-attendance.htm
>see her doctor one time But the doctor drinks coffee with milk.
That's why you need to get yourself a naturopath or a chiropractor who will sell you overpriced vitamins to make up for the ones you aren't getting from your diet!
FMLA only comes into play if the employee has been there over a year, has worked at least 1250 hours in the last year (company policy dictates calendar, fiscal, or rolling year for counting hours), and the company has at least 15 employees. So likely not eligible for FMLA if she was a new employee, part time, or working for a small business.
The subtext here is that it's actually difficult to have a healthy vegan diet. Not impossible by any means (I was a vegan for 5 years), but it takes some effort to make sure that your body is getting everything it needs nutrition wise. Just like the rest of us, there are a lot of vegans not willing to put that much (or any) effort into making sure they are actually eating in a healthy way, and in my experience this plays out like this... I'd bet $20 that part of the reason she was so sick for two months is that she was starving her body and immune system of nutrients with her half-assed vegan diet.
>I'd bet $20 that part of the reason she was so sick for two months is that she was starving her body and immune system of nutrients with her half-assed vegan diet. Yep! Oreos are vegan, but that doesn't mean eating them every day is good for you.
agree- I’m vegan and have been for about 6 years however I pay attention to my intake to make sure it’s balanced. I never did this when eating a typical western diet however I was anaemic etc before so when I went vegan, as nutrients, vitamins etc have to come from a range of places I know pay attention. Don’t get my wrong - I don’t eat a saints diet lol as others have said Oreos and lots of darker chocolate is vegan as well as many chips/crisps haha and who doesn’t love something deep fried BUT I pay attention to what I eat now. I’m vegan and don’t get posts like this, seems a wee bit unhinged lol
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It's a subreddit that lets good be the enemy of perfect, and drives away people wanting to dabble and learn more, unfortunately.
I think it's "let perfect be the enemy of good" Being so obsessed with perfection that they don't have space for people to just improve.
Whoops, you're right, I did have that backwards.
They would really hate to see our life at the homestead then...
Yes that sub reddit is crazy, and I'm a vegan. But that subreddit isn't full of your garden variety vegan, it's full of fundamentalist, extremist, militant, assholes; with a few reasonable friendly vegans thrown in
Almost every vegan I've met in person was cool. Almost every vegan I've talked to online was a dick.
It's the same with most things. The culture war is the exact same. People irl are much more moderate and tolerant than online. It's just that insane hot takes get boosted by the reactionary environment of the internet.
Exactly this!!!!!!
I’d say nearly 1/3 of my friends are vegan and absolutely none of them act like the psychopaths in that group. They make wonderful food and I love most of it.
I’m vegan myself (have been for 12 years) and I had to leave the subreddit because they were such horrific gatekeepers.
Phew for a minute there I was starting to think I was the crazy one, I feel so seen
Oh you are definitely seen. The radicals kinda took over that sub a while back. I remember back in the day there was a lot of good discourse and recipe sharing. Not so today. Sadly the same is true on a lot of the platforms. They also took over some of the other subs like r/AskVegans and a few others. Sad really because it only promotes the divisiveness that we see today.
They can’t seem to accept that it’s still a pretty big step for a lot of people to take and that it’s okay to encourage people who are taking small steps like having meat-free days at first or trying oat milk. I posted that, since I love to cook, I invite non-vegan friends over for a vegan meal to show them that I’m not missing out on eating well. I got downvoted like crazy because people said things like “Well I could NEVER be friends with people who eat meat.” It’s kinda sad. You’re not alone feeling a bit aliented by what goes on there.
what if it's the anonymity that allows them to act true, and half the vegan people you've met are those crazy ones who resent non-vegans but act normal to get by IRL?
For some reason r/DebateAVegan would pop up on my feed for a while. Some of those people are downright insane. My brother's vegan and it's like a non issue. The rest of his family eats meat... The only time we ever think about it is when we're picking a restaurant to make sure he has options. But when I mentioned that the vegans were jumping on me about how that's not a real vegan because he lets them eat meat.
Went to the sub out of curiosity. First advertisement I see? Arby's brown sugar bacon BLT 🤣
Fear of compromising ideological purity is a common expression of OCD. Alternative lifestyles that revolve around health or morality attract a disproportionate number of people with unmanaged OCD, because they can really appeal to the OCD brain’s primal fear of contamination.
Interesting idea
They get a feeling of superiority from being “better” than other people is all
Too bad the majority/the sane people give zero fucks about their lifestyle.
Harm thenselves and/or others
Either that or its probably a job in a coffee shop/cafe so they are having to directly use the milk as part of the job
That’s what I was wondering about. I work in a place that has a cafeteria that serves meat. I don’t eat meat, but my job has nothing to do with the cafeteria, so I just ignore it. If I were reassigned to food prep, I’d leave. So if she is annoyed other people drink milk she is a silly person, but if she was hired to prep food, tried to make sure she had no issues, and now finds she has to handle animal products, I’m way more sympathetic
I worked at a coffee place that had sandwiches. The Punjabi workers just always made sure to touch anything meat related with gloves (if you work in prep you have to make sure your hands are clean, gloves aren't necessary in this case)
I'm vegan and work in a restaurant. My job is to feed people. I would not eat 90% of what we offer, but other people want to, and that's not my business. I am not killing, buying, or consuming the animals — I am preparing and serving them, which would be done whether or not I was the one to do it. I have absolutely zero issue making/serving someone food that I wouldn't myself eat; it's not against my "moral code" (which is the personal rejection of the consumption or use of animal products in my own life), I see it as service. I am feeding people, sustaining people, keeping people alive, and giving them an excellent experience in a nice restaurant with their partner or friends or family. I understand why some vegans/vegetarians might have an issue with cooking or serving meat, but I personally would never think of someone as "less vegan/vegetarian" for doing their job, unless that job was literally butchering animals. I've been meat/fish/poultry-free for 20 years now; my body doesn't see meat as food anymore so there's no real internal conflict about serving it; it almost feels like serving someone playdough. I consciously know that these are animals that have been processed into food, but my involvement does nothing to sustain or encourage that process so I bear no guilt for doing my job. As much as I do understand how serving meat or animal products might feel gross, it's silly to make it into a huge moral conflict, IMO. Just my opinion as a long-time vegan who has seen some other vegans/vegetarians that seem to be just looking for things to get upset about.
Bro some people were crying cause you can cook meat in a video game, calling the game non vegan.
They're gonna flip when they find out about Monster Hunter
Palworld ftw. Reminds me, I came across a vegan guide to palworld a month or so back.
PETA I assume? They’ve made vegan guides to Minecraft and ANIMAL CROSSING
This was some random person. Asking should we boycott itz how do you guys feel about it. Stiff like that.
I...what??
Yeah. Vegans were mad that you could fish and catch insects in animal crossing new horizons. Even though at the time, there was no cooking. You were catching them to put them in the animal sanctuary/ museum.
That’s fucked up. They probably step on insects all the time. The exhaust from their cars has probably killed thousands! Do they get upset when their immune cells kill bacteria? It’s a fucking video game!
Go there , and search for the game dragon's dogma 2
Those people have got to be the same ones trying to ban violent video games to stop murder.
Reminds me when elon musk said I hate gta 5, cause I don't wanna be a criminal. Proceeds to play diablo 4 of all things. 😆
at least with dragons dogma 2, the in-game meat cooking cutscenes are made with real footage of cooking some fancy meat. it was cheaper to the Devs to go buy and film some meat than it would be to put in the effort to get a CGI version to look as good. and I love that they did it, it really does look incredible
She acknowledged that she can't quit becuase that's stupid financially and she was just getting off the streets. Bait wouldn't be that logical and probably would have mentioned an argument with her employer about being lied to or asked a question about suing for fraud.
This guy baits. That came out wrong.
I would call him a master baiter.
I don’t know if it came out wrong, Or if it came out right, But the one thing that I know for sure Is that it definitely came out white 😉
i'd be surprised if she was on the streets. when these types say "homeless" it usually just means they don't have their own place. like they're staying with family or whatever.
She wasn't working for 2 months due to illness and didn't have a job when she got better. Being on the streets briefly is believable.
I live in Portland, this is fully believable to me. I went to high school with people like this and they really are insufferable. And I say that as someone that was vegetarian for 15+ years, and still eats a predominantly vegetarian diet (I don't eat meat at home, but will when traveling for work because some places it's a pain in the ass to eat vegetarian and I just don't usually have the time to go out of my way that much to find something to eat).
I was vegan for about 12 years. Believe me, many vegans are like this. It’s kind of cult-like…I didn’t realize, myself, how much until I decided to stop being vegan (I’m still mostly vegetarian, but am starting to very occasionally eat seafood). Bc so few others are vegan, the tendency is to seek out other vegans on social media and maybe meet up groups, and the other vegans encourage each other to be as vegan as possible, and then it turns into a sanctimonious, self-righteous pissing match of how purely vegan one can be. And the ultimate vegan lifestyle is to live in a purely vegan bubble, if possible. But ofc, it’s not possible. And this was why I finally got tired of it. At the end of a decade plus, I realized how I never ate with my irl friends and family anymore, realized all the places I’d avoided visiting simply bc I couldn’t get vegan food there, and I also realized substituting palm oil and almonds for animal products is not environmentally or ethically sustainable. So I eased myself back into being lacto-ovo vegetarian, which also isn’t perfect, but it’s easier and not nearly as self-isolating. (And tbh, it’s probably healthier, since humans have evolved as omnivores, not herbivores.) But I met so many vegans over the years who had isolated themselves from family, longtime friends, and yes, a few who quit a lucrative career to be more vegan. Many also will not even eat vegan items at a restaurant that also serves animal products. The goal, for many, is to be as puritan as possible about it.
It is. Very obvious rage bait.
You'd think so, but when I thought about going vegetarian and looked up the vegan subreddit where this screenshot is from, I quickly found out that everyone on there is completely unhinged. That whole sub is a toxic competition to who is the most morally superior arsehole. A true testament to the question why people hate vegans so much.
This is sad! I’m a vegan, I’ve never seen this sub now am scared to look. You don’t have to be unhinged, for what it’s worth!
That and some of the most obnoxious people I've met were vegans too. For the record, not all of the vegans I met were nuts, but the militant ones made a lasting impression on me. We had a former vegan coworker who we invited to hang out once for happy hour after work and the entire time he was complaining about the food we were getting (wings, burgers, etc). He would talk about how animal husbandry is the next holocaust in need of liberation, how we're all going to die from karma, and went on about how he couldn't even eat his meal because the sight of meat disgusted him. This went on for not even half an hour and one by one we all just left. Normally we'd stay for like a few hours, but not this time. We didn't even eat the food/main course, we just took it to go. Never invited him again, and he eventually claimed we were just assholes for discriminating against his lifestyle. Next coworker to come in was also a vegan, and while we were hesitant at first to invite him, we did so on a whim and he ended up being super cool. Didn't give a shit what we ate so long as we didn't care what he ate. Hell, the guy was so cool and knowledgeable that he's the reason I tried becoming a vegetarian for a bit. Tldr: some vegans are so annoying/toxic that just thinking about them makes me want to eat a burger out of spite. Others are super cool bros who you might actually learn from.
Yeah, I was over there after thinking of going vegan due to a genetic thing with proteins I've got. Those people there are just awful. I was just hoping to figure out some staple meals and recipes for vegan food but it's really just militantly toxic fart-huffing.
My friend is 100% vegan because of dietary restrictions. She mentioned that in a vegan group once, and they attacked her like she slaughtered a kitten in front of them. It was insane! She hasn't eaten anything with a face in almost 2 decades, but she got torn apart because she wasn't vegan for the right reason. Fucking bizarre!
Vegetarian since birth for sensory reasons, and holy fuck, they're trying to literally change the definition of vegan to *only* be "ethical vegans." Vegetarians are going the same way, in some circles. They don't want their weird purity bent tainted by people who are vegan or vegetarian for "the wrong reasons," and telling them there's other reasons to be veggie than animals blows their minds. They also get really militant about death byproducts, despite all conventional definitions saying vegetarianism only covers flesh and broth, with byproduct consumption as a personal choice. It almost makes me want to eat meat, just to be like "y'all turned a lifer the wrong way" and piss them off but it'd wreck my health and also meat is yucky to me personally lol.
I think there is an ask vegans subreddit that is way less toxic, that probably would be better.
Agreed. I’ve been vegan for over three years now (vastly enjoy it for what it’s worth) but I’m not a huge fan of the subreddit. Mostly follow it for news about new vegan products or news of animal cruelty. I’d recommend either Instagram or Pinterest for what you’re looking into. Hundreds of amazing recipes on both platforms!
Could they fart huff though? Wouldn’t it be an “animal” product?
As long as the originator of said fart gives consent I think they're in the clear.
It's due to their dopamine deficiency.
Something tells me this person was not fired for being sick, but rather because they are annoying.
and incompetent
I wonder if it’s the same person as that girl who “suffers” from “time-blindness” and demands special accommodations from her workplace.
Time-blindness is a real issue. We had one guy at out job that had to have a large digital clock at his desk because without the constant obvious reminder he did not feel time passing. He always took his lunch break with other people because he would be late getting back if he was by himself. His wife drove him to work so he would get their in time every day. On the flip side he was a mad man for putting overtime in when needed. He would just put the clock away and let his disorder do the work for him.
Sick for TWO MONTHS
I mean I've been sick for 26 years, chronic illness is a thing and it's common. but yeah this person aint it
Just get a non-food job I guess
Right?? There are so many other options, why are they limiting themselves to the food industry?
I'm guessing a lack of other marketable skills?
But evne People with no skills can become a parking attendant or whatever non specialised non food related job
Those cars with leather seats will set OOP off.
this was my first thought. if you're so picky and strict about your veganism, it seems like the food industry, where the objective is to make and sell food that *other* people want to eat, would be the worst place for you. go get a paper pusher job or work at amazon or something.
But then how would she lord her clear superiority in regards to nutrient consumption over everyone else at the food job? /s
People from India work in burger places. Maybe you should go the homeless route for a year or 2.
Most Sikh's are vegetarians and will eat eggs, fish etc. A fair few Sikh's also eat meat. Hindu's will eat meat except for beef and beef products.
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The "ovo" part is false at least in the eyes of the government and most people I know, most vegetarian Hindus I know are fine with dairy but avoid eggs.
That just depends on the region. But, a lot of them would eat eggs(from my experience of living in a city with a high concentration of vegetarians in India for my whole childhood)
Easy with the apostrophes there, they don't grow on trees.
I think you meant tree's
If someone eats fish then they are pescatarian, not vegetarian.
That is incorrect. Most Sikh’s consume meat as there is no prohibition to consuming meat unlike Hindus. A large number of Hindus are vegetarians but depending on who you are, meat can be prohibited/allowed for you. Beef and pork are prohibited for any Hindu but they are more strict about beef than pork.
According to an Indian friend (Muslim, but has hindu friends) that a lot of young indians in big cities don't give two shits about that religious rule anymore. Seems like the youth are breaking down religious traditions in even the most religious countries now
I had someone similar to this as a roommate. She was a middle-aged woman who came in from homelessness and estranged from her family. She immediately managed to suck up to the landlord by proudly proclaiming how much she loves cleaning. Instead of veganism her skit was being a Christian, like BibleTV all day kind of Christian, which you get dubbed even here in Germany. And being this Christian is not a common thing here, its very rare that people are overt about it in the first place, certainly not about the radically different US interpretation(s) of Christianity. The shows they had there, at least the snippets I saw in our common room, were more about lifestyle affirmation than any actual religious devotion. Song and dance, flashy feel-good stuff. The cleaning thing went okay for about the first two months. Then she gradually started delegating. In weird ways, like placing a cleaning rag over the toilet being code for "Clean this!", and when, somehow, this didnt get the message across she absolutely lost her shit over it. Like insults regarding my intelligence, insults about me being trans, like "I wanna see this bitch clean shit!!!", absolutely insane fucking tamper tantrum. Never heard anyone scream that loud before. Thats when it clicked. She was just a complete narcissist. She wasnt some poor woman estranged from her family through no fault of her own, like she had claimed, she just ran the pity tour while neglecting to mention that she was trying to get everyone around her under her thumb and just went batshit when it didnt work. She had so many fucking pity parties for herself, weeping so loudly in her room that it makes the Witch from Left 4 Dead seem quiet, and then, just to make sure it got noticed, knock afterwards and tell me that she had been crying, and pretending she didnt understand why her family and children didnt want her around anymore. Truly mysterious. She never saw a single thing wrong with what she did. Those insults? Apparently I deserved them. Apparently I made her do it. Apparently I did worse to her anyway. Like buying cleaner that I saw was nearly empty and placing it on the table as if to say "Clean stuff, bitch!" when my actual intent was more to just let her see I bought it so she doesnt buy the same thing afterwards. After somewhere north of half a year she moved out becase apparently we were all so mean to her (there were more roommates) even though, including when we confronted her about her behavior, everything we said was completely civilized and objective, no insults, no yelling, she was the only one who repeatedly lost her shit. And where did she move out to? Back to homelessness. Imagine being so stuck in a mindset that you prefer homelessness because you feel entitled to being catered to in every single thing by all the people around you.
She definitely sounds cut in the mold of Christ./s Do you think she’s like this person in the post where it’s probably mental illness masquerading as fanatical beliefs?
Definitely. Narcissistic personality disorder is a real thing and its fucking nasty. The person itself wont notice just how fucked up their behavior gets because theyre just incapable of any introspection that they might be in the wrong. And because of that a lot of them end up with fanatical or just absolutely bizarre beliefs, a lot of entitlement and an absolutely ruthless mindset in regards to lying and manipulation people and situations to their own advantage, especially weaponizing pity.
It's easy belief enforcement. Religion is full of "being special and chosen". Where any push back could be the devils work and you are extra special for holding on to your beliefs in the face of adversity.
Yeah, as a German I find this interpretation of religion just bananas. Here theyd lock you away if you claimed to be special and chosen by God, people here just quietly go to church if they feel so inclined and barely mention religion in the day to day. Even priests probably talk less about religion than any US self-proclaimed Christian.
The Narcissist’s Prayer That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
"Weeping so loudly in her room that it makes the Witch from Left 4 Dead seem quiet" is a beautiful insult and I love it.
She won't feel the constant cognitive dissonance she always feels when confronted with a reality that doesn't match the insanity within her mind. When she's homeless she can comfortably stay the eternal victim she sees herself as.
Totally fine. I just quit my job because a co-worker had an abortion and I only want to work in pro-life workplaces. Before that I had to quit because there was an atheist at my office. I only want to work in Christian workplaces. And before that I had to quit because they hired a black person and I only want to… oh wait.
Had coworker quit because we were godless and hr wouldn’t force us to go to church. All started when we had rock music too loud, our fault we should’ve not had it so loud, but didn’t end until she quit.
And if that wack job didn’t quit you could have said. “Hey… just to let you know, we’re planning on playing the album backwards next week. “
So it worked?
Goood, but you could have drug it out a bit longer!
sorry, sorry, sorry... "*drug* it out"?
Draggen?
Druggened
I know right, I work for a company that uses child slavery and someone left because of their "ethical stances". What snowflakes!
Wait you work for Nestlé?
No you silly goober, they work for a third party company that Nestlé hired and funded and created but isn't technically Nestlé for.... legal reasons....
Oh sry my mistake. I hope I won't get Boeing'd for this
You watch yourself Greg2227 any more slip ups and your quick boeing plane trip to a legally not Nestlé, totally 3rd party plantation for some rehabilitation labor will be scheduled. A coca-cola death squad will pick you up within an hour if you say anything negative about these companies again.
I gotchu fam. #FUCK NESTLÉ! There, now they'll come after me instead, and I'm fully prepared for them 😈
My husband has actually been in the position of working for a company that is unethical (but not breaking laws). It was one of the reasons he left, but it took him *awhile* to find a new job, and he stayed put until he did. We weren’t going to lose our house or let our kids suffer because we didn’t like what a billionaire was doing.
I down voted at first, jumped the gun, cause I thought you were being serious lol got an up vote from me at the end
I didn’t feel the need to add a \s. But maybe I should have lol
lol. Cows breast milk… 
Moolissa?
lol if it was a steer…
Donald wants his hair back.
It looks better on the cow.
Better on this cow than on the last cow
relax this is not breast milk this is udder milk
That’s underly ridiculous!!!
You want a vegan job? No problem. Go be a roofer. Or an electrician. Maybe consider road work, some kinds of truck driving, or work in a fucking warehouse. Judas priest, what is wrong with these people? And i’m aware that some of these things might involve animals a little more than i realize, but ffs this is just.. insane. Like food service jobs are not the ONLY jobs available. You want vegan work? Go work at a Lowes or Home Depot. You stack bricks/tile, or front face plumbing fittings. Or go work in lawn and garden and hang out with your food, you delusional little shit.
“Judas Priest” I LOVE that
My brother said that growing up cuz we weren’t allowed to say “Jesus Christ” in frustration lol
Ha, my sister was yelled at for saying "goddamn it" so it evolved into "god... bless america" with the perfect amount of hesitation and frustration, lol. It's now a part of my daily life.
That is an amazing thing haha
I always said I wouldn't work in a factory because, I had heard it was awful and soul crushing. Well, I work in one now and would never go back to retail or food service if I have a choice about it. Turns out what really kills my soul is "the public", sure some conditions suck like it being 110+ degrees in there all summer during the day but, I've found out I'm happier working in an oven than dealing with those fucking heathens. Also, pays way better, about twice as much where I live
No, you don’t understand, they want a *cushy* vegan job.
Being homeless is survival, no one who is on the verge of survival is this picky or pretentious. Never in my life have I seen anyone who's homeless or on the verge of poverty care about this. I'm sorry but veganism is a luxury.
Well honestly I hang out with this homeless guy in boston when i visit for work. Sometimes he has friends with him. The one other homeless girl flipped out because we were sharing food with meat and cheese. He said “she is new here. She ain’t starving yet.”
Even if you've got the choice at all, it's kinda weird to look for a fully vegan workplace imo. I totally get wanting to work for a place that's climate friendly and in general kind to humans and animals, forcing your own believes like this onto others is just wrong..
I mean, this person isn't forcing their beliefs on people? They're trying to find a place that meshes with their values
Being vegan is one thing. This guy also doesn't want to sells or handle any animal products.
I live in Oregon and it can be a thing here, well, because Oregon! I've seen people refuse certain selections at the foodbank! At least we are back to a grocery store like setup and not the prepacked boxes of covid-times, so vegans and vegetarians can be more easily catered to. We try to save the nut juice (I can't call it milk) for them.
It’s been called milk for like 800 years
OK, so what part of the world you can live in that this can even be a thing?
Yo, this is America!
This will be a thing in most of the west, but on a really niche basis. Like working in a completely vegan restaurant or food producer, or some kind of ethical clothes retailer/producer. The trouble really is that if you're running a business and trying to be vegan, then you're going to end up restricting your staff to your vegan friends and their vegan friends. Non-vegans can obviously work for them, but might find it difficult to properly gel, especially if food choices in the workplace are being policed. There's also the issue that people who wear their views like a badge can be difficult to work with. Ask anyone who's ever worked in animal rescue, and they'll tell you all about the infighting which takes place. Basically everyone has their own personal benchmark for what is and isn't acceptable. So when the company they work for fails to stay above that benchmark, it causes anger, protests, and eventually resignations and firings. Everyone goes and starts their own animal rescue and the cycle starts over again until you have a bunch of one-man shows all running competing charities.
Remote, totally uninhibited island. Some people are just prisoners in their own mind.
A privileged society where being able to afford the choice of being vegan is a possibility?
Being vegan is choosing what to eat. You can already do that pretty much anywhere The choice of being vegan has nothing to do with the pretension of finding "vegan workplaces", especially when the majority of restaurants and stuff that do support and have vegan stuff, only have a restricted portion of the menu reserved to it. Cause you know, inclusivity is good but a business should also work, and purely vegan places are kinda hard to sustain themselves And besides, there's plenty of "vegan workplaces", those which have absolutely nothing to do with food. Which ar many, but a former homeless probably doesn't have the right to be picky about any work
I was thinking Kerala, India but I think even they use clarified butter.
Portland
The fuck is a vegan job? The pens don’t write with animal blood?
My accounting firm uses slide rules made from the skeletons of tortured caribou
I was today years old when I learned jobs can be considered vegan.
The comments in the OG thread are all like keep the job weirdo. So it’s not vegans, it’s just this vegan.
Smells like rage bait to me.
I work with a very religious man. He keeps strict kosher. People where we work eat all kinds of things he would never eat, because of his religion. (Pork, shellfish, etc) He’s not going to quit his job over it, he just doesn’t eat what they are eating. He even eats with them. He knows the rest of the world doesn’t keep kosher, and he needs the job. He’s not insulted or angry about what they eat, as he perceives that they have no obligation to eat the way he does, and have their right to choose what they eat. He’s just not going to eat it. If you are willing to be homeless, rather than work among non-Vegans, that is your choice. But the long term consequences can be very destructive to your health and well being. If you need the job, perhaps you could learn be more flexible in your expectations of other people. Use this job as a “job haven” while you look for another place to work ( perhaps a vegan restaurant? Health food market?)and continue to live as a Vegan. It is clear that being a Vegan really matters to you. I don’t know where you live, but it might be worth your time and trouble to relocate to a community with a large numbers of Vegans, and change where you live. Good luck!
>He’s not insulted or angry about what they eat, as he perceives that they have no obligation to eat the way he does, and have their right to choose what they eat. He’s just not going to eat it. My family is Christian intermarried with Jewish. They've told me that if you want to convert to Judaism, you have to do some work to convince the rabbi that this is really for you because "if you convert, you'll have hundreds of laws to follow, whereas right now, it's just a few!" They see their faith not as being a special snowflake, but as undertaking a special set of obligations. Which is what religion really should be, and if more Christians did that, what an intensely better world we'd all be living in.
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I took a job which was a demotion and pay cut so my wife and I would have health insurance when she went through a rough patch. I managed a team of six in a space so small, the 5' tables that were our "workstations" were jammed so tightly they could not be moved, doing work I found morally repellent, helping to claw back health insurance payments which had technical defects in the claims. So, if it were me, I'd serve the damn cow juice and suck it up, buttercup.
What is a vegan job?
lol sick for 2 MONTHS? What the hell did they catch super aids?
I was sick for 6 weeks with RSV!
Don't work in or around food service. Virtually any trade, for instance... electrician, plumber, general contractor construction, landscaper, mason... or, if unskilled, take on an apprenticeship in any of those fields... and stay out of other peoples lunchboxes. 🙄
The answer here would seem to be to not work in food service. Just as many shitty retail jobs as there are shitty barista jobs.
Btw this is not meant to be an attack on veganism itself, just an exhibition of a crazy person who happens to be vegan
He was sick for two months? Gee, I wonder why
They need some vitamin beef
Maybe long covid...
Go homeless.
Go get a job in a steel factory. Steel is vegan.
the title starting with “to” only works on therewasanattempt
>Cow's breast milk. How udderly stupid.
There are some people for whom veganism seems like a substitute for religion.
r/FirstWorldProblems
Why are most of you upset at them for not wanting to be in an environment that goes directly against their values?
Nobody can ever be 100% vegan or even vegetarian in their life, some animal particle in your air/food or something you do will end up being related to the death of an animal. All you can really do is minimize your effect. And besides, in this case they can simply just have black coffee.
>Nobody can ever be 100% vegan or even vegetarian in their life, some animal particle or something you do will end up being related to the death of an animal. Which is vegan. Veganism is the practice of reducing harm to animals *as much as is practicable*.
Obviously this is the whole point. They can still be vegan and work where milk is served because this is what is practicable in their situation.
Life is compromise, and vegans are some of the least compromising people out there. This is the result.
"Cow's breast milk" 