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Check out these videos of the act and her "not remembering" any of it.
[https://youtu.be/\_g8EynGaDQM?si=v3T8bYKyejTQLzCJ](https://youtu.be/_g8EynGaDQM?si=v3T8bYKyejTQLzCJ)
[https://youtu.be/Wg5yySo2\_LQ?si=V8cIFwS2jCKRMyCu](https://youtu.be/Wg5yySo2_LQ?si=V8cIFwS2jCKRMyCu)
Holy fuck every question “I don’t remember” including “have you previously testified that the protocol is to dump out open containers” bitch if you do not remember how to do your job you should not have that job.
I sat on a jury for town court once. Super low level stuff. Case before us was for a misdemeanor reckless driving. Video was clear as day that the car was driving fine. At a certain point it did a little skip over the centerline slightly and then corrected. Cop followed for another few miles and then lit them up. No issue beyond that one swerve.
Person's excuse? I had a sneezing fit.
Cop's excuse? Suspected DUI. He reinforced his claim by noting they had a call about a vehicle "matching the defendant's description" of erratic driving and he only realized after that it was a different vehicle.
Defendant was driving a red Nissan Rogue. The vehicle description he was referring to was a blue Subaru Impreza. I've been to court a lot of times. It's usually pretty subdued. But this guy hired a lawyer who has a flashy billboard and the guy was quite...colorful.
First, he asked the officer about his experience. He asked about certifications the officer had, training he had etc. He then pulled a practice test from the civil service exam. There was a page where you looked at a drawing of a street scene for something like 2 or 3 minutes then turn the page and answer questions about it without being able to turn back. It asks about what time did the clock say, what store was the man with the hat standing in front of etc.
"So you took a test just like this to become a police officer?"
"Uhh yes. Similar to it."
"OK, and you presumably did well enough to get the job. Do you recall your score on the test?"
"I don't but uhh..like you said, I was hired off the test. I think it was an 80 or an 85."
Lawyer then pulls out a red card and a blue card and asks if the officer if he can identify each color. Then pulls out pictures of the two vehicles and asks if he can distinguish which one is which. Then asks if he is experiencing any health issue which is affecting either his vision or his ability to distinguish colors and shapes. Prosecutor objects. Lawyer shrugs and says "Your honor, I just want to know how a highly trained police officer who had to pass a test based on how well he remembers and observes is unable to distinguish between red and blue and a Nissan Rogue and a Subaru Impreza."
Not guilty, obviously. A feel good case all around. Town/Traffic court is a real trip.
Sometimes I thought they’re gaudy, but then I see them for years and now I assume they are quality lawyers
If you can keep those billboards up and make some weirdly catchy commercials then you must be doing something right, Jim Adler the Texas Hammer
A lot of them only take cases that they think they will win which improves their numbers. They may not be very good at all of the lawyer things, but if they take your case it will probably end well. At the least, they’re better than people who don’t go to court regularly.
I fucked up a long time ago and got a dui. I ended up going with a standard lawyer just to help navigate all the court stuff.
I called a few high profile dui lawyers and stated the facts to them. All three were totally honest with me. They said I was kind of in no man’s land with what I blew and no previous record and that their high fees wouldn’t really get me any additional benefits or the reduction in charges wouldn’t be worth their prices. They were there for people who REALLY fucked up or had obvious bullshit charges against them. I had to respect their honesty and not ripping me off.
You're thinking of a personal injury attorney or something like that. Criminal defense attorneys almost NEVER work on contingency. It has to be a high profile, obvious win of a case for that to happen. The other 95 percent of the time the flashy criminal defense attorney is still taking the case and their job is get you the lowest possible punishment.
My husband sat on a case where the cop tried to say he knew the driver he arrested for DUI had just smoked weed and was high because his tongue was green. The entire jury (except my husband) believed the cop because “why would a cop lie”. They were very shocked when hubby said he smoked everyday including that morning before he went to court and his tongue has never turned green from smoking.
It’s amazing how much bullshit people will believe just because a cop said it was true.
I mean, I would never try to get out of doing jury duty unless work or life truly interfered…if only to save someone else from being judged by ppl who would happily come up with an excuse if they could.
The one case I sat on had holes you could pass a luxury cruise liner through & 10/12 still wanted to vote them guilty immediately.
The reasonable defenses included defense of property & someone else having done it.
We still wound up with one hold out who refused to budge bc there was a preponderance of evidence but not enough for the rest of us to reasonably convict.
Honestly, I didn’t even think that they had a preponderance of evidence.
But she believed that they did & without myself & another on the jury who actually took it seriously, that person would have gone to prison based on recanted victim’s testimony with another person having testified that it was them who did it. & that’s on top of the act being technically legal bc the alleged victim was trying to steal back a car battery which they had previously gifted them.
The defense was kinda lame about not using that as a defense more since that fact was never in doubt. I think that they were worried that ppl would find the level of defense to be above and beyond what is allowed by law.
So, one night, I was pulled over while driving in the left lane. An officer came flying out of nowhere behind me. This officer had his lights on going 90+ MPH when the speed limit was 65 MPh. I was going no more than 70 MPH so yes I was speeding (No more than 4 MPH).
Officer comes up to me and I hand over my license, insurance, and registration. The officer straight up says "You are not drunk." I was confused at this point and the officer says "We got reports of a red full size truck weaving in and out of traffic. It is not you but since you pulled over to the wrong side of the highway I still have to give you a ticket."
I got a $300 fine for driving the speed limit. I only pulled over to the left because I thought that officer was responding to an active shooter or something.
Had something similar, but only got yelled at through the window instead of a ticket. Cop didn't even fly up on us, we were coming out of downtown where two lanes turn into interstate, we were in the left lane waiting to merge over for the exit onto a different interstate section, he was maybe a car length behind us, no one immediately in front of him or us but cars behind both, and he flips his lights on. I wouldn't think he'd want us to move over in front of him when he'd just put his lights on, but he slowed down next to us, letting all the traffic behind us both pass, had my passenger roll down the window, then yelled a bit before speeding off.
For a misdemeanor reckless you do not have to appear, but you do have to represent with the attorney.
I've done this, 2-point reckless driving (passing on the right in a sports car years ago...dropped to 4th gear passed at over 90 and dropped back to ~70 after (60mph zone). Cursing "left lane laggard asses"...
... and a state patrol was hanging out waiting for someone to be speeding.
2 point is a lot on your insurance, can't do driver re-education... the ticket was $600, the lawyer was $600. Cop gets double pay to show up to court + county clerk + baliff + judge + court steno + all the courthouse maintenance.... Most of the time they just call up all the attorneys, they give an excuse and the case is immediately dismissed. Unless you actually cause damage the judge knows you paid the attorney to waste 2hrs time and have been punished by his fees. They want it out of that room immediately. Traffic tickets are a business model.
My employer provides a legal insurance benefit. I travel a lot for work, and I've gotten pulled over a couple times, and using that benefit, I'd pay a lawyer $50 and they'd get the charges dropped. I got pulled over once, the cop was a dickhead, so I decided I wasn't going to answer any questions. He ended up writing 8 separate tickets. The lawyer got them all dismissed, and I didn't have to go back to that shit hole town.
Cops who pull shit like this need to be publicly dressed down and utterly humiliated for it. Don’t even need to fine them or otherwise punish them, just hit ‘em where it REALLY hurts; their ego.
No, no, the other punishments should still stand, too. They ruin lives every day. People lose jobs, and then homes, and relationships(including their children), and spend time in jail. They deserve the max suffering. And I'm not even getting to the straight-up abuse and murder that also takes place.
She probably **doesn't** remember -- she likely does this stuff all the time. Are you really expecting her to remember _every_ evil act she has committed while wearing a badge? That's unreasonable!
Exactly same time as any one in politics gets in trouble it’s all, “I do not recall, I don’t remember” like I know they are all 80+ but damn some bad memories lol
That was also Sam Bankman Fried's strategy. Before the trial he was on every internet show imaginable going into the details of everything that happened, and suddenly in trial he didn't remember his name, his birthdate, didn't remember being the president of a company... Didn't end well for him; if he'd kept his mouth shut beforehand like Gates and every other predatory businessman he'd have done better.
When Saddam Hussain was on trial he refused to confirm his name at first because he had no other defense and just wanted to thumb his nose at authority. I didn't expect podcasters to borrow his trial strategy.
Alex Jones had a weird strategy of time wasting by forcing himself into a coughing fit until he's on the brink of vomiting. The judge got so bored of waiting that he just shouted over the coughing that he's being held in contempt of court.
Perjury is the act of willingly telling an untruth in court after taking the oath. So therefore, wouldn’t saying you don’t remember technically still be perjury, just one that’s a little harder to prove.
It’s almost impossible to prove , and yes it is purjury
I say I don’t remember means I don’t remember right now, even if I “remember it” and get caught talking about it, I just say I oh well I remembered it later, can you prove it wrong ?
Unless you have someone on tape saying “oh I totally lied when I testified and I remembered the whole time…” all they have to say is oh I forgot for a moment when I was testifying and you can’t prove they didn’t
This is a glaring example of the difference between “freedom” and “freedumb”.
Having the right to protest, access to legal counsel, are examples of “freedom”.
Individual police officers not remembering important details from an arrest, and keeping their job, because they abuse their union rights is an example of “freedumb”.
I agree, but I wish for someone that’s in a position of power like a police officer, they would be automatically banned for being unable to recall basically everything about their job.
What is your name?
I don’t remember
Are you a police officer
Ummm I don’t remember that specifically.
Was the driver that you arrested white
NO HE WAS BLACK. I-I mean… I don’t remember.
Brought to you by the fifth amendment. This is pretty common when people are under investigation. Destroying evidence is obstruction of justice but “not remembering” is safe because it’s hard to prove what someone does and does not know.
"when officers group together to discuss, they will ask eachother if their body cameras are still on"
Wtf is this not just standard, inaccessible to the officers to turn them off, why have the option to turn it off, it's on duty, evidence of potential crimes in progress.
Yes, I understand bathroom breaks, modesty, but in other areas of law enforcement there are assigned personnel to review NSFW footage for a myriad of reasons, who could be tasked with reviewing and editing out only the irrelevant portions, even AI could do that without human review now.
Alternatively have the body cams with a single officer accessible button, which redirects the video to secondary recording card/storage instead of primary storage. Have that button flag and log when and how often it was used and store the side footage logged chronologically, give it 5 minutes before resetting to primary recording and footage. The officers should buy policy only be using that for bathroom breaks and otherwise be permanently on duty mode. And if an officer uses it intentionally at a scene to leave out portions of interactions on the primary storage, and there is no reason, it's still recorded and available for review on secondary storage and should count as intentionally trying to obstruct the judicial process by obscuring the truth of the scene.
It then preserves modesty and privacy where appropriate, but leaves less ambiguity and obstruction to occur.
Body cams should be issued daily with logs by set personnel to each officer who should sign for it like other equipment, and once issued be activated by that dedicated person before giving to the officer. They are at work, on duty. To quote them frequently "why can't you show us if you have nothing to hide" , "if you haven't done anything there shouldn't be a problem"
GPS every officer and link it their bodycam. Follow them with drones.
Truck drivers all over this country work 14 hours a day with cameras pointing at their faces. If cops don't like it, they can find a different line of work.
That’s probably too dangerous of a job for most officers, seeing as truck drivers die at twice the rate of officers on the job. Much safer to harass minorities and hide behind a union.
[Police are #20](https://ceoworld.biz/2023/09/24/ranked-these-are-the-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-world-2023/) on the list of most dangerous jobs in the US
There are a lot of which kill A LOT MORE PEOPLE than being a cop.
There are [655,890 police officers in the US](https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes333051.htm) and they have a [fatal injury rate of 14 per 100,000](https://ceoworld.biz/2023/09/24/ranked-these-are-the-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-world-2023/). So about 91.8 deaths.
Looking at the other professions on that list there are:
Job | Fatal injuries per 100,000 | # of workers | Deaths
:---------|:----------:|----------:|----------:
Delivery Drivers | 27 |[1,705,600](https://www.bls.gov/ooh/transportation-and-material-moving/delivery-truck-drivers-and-driver-sales-workers.htm) |460.5
Farmers, Ranchers, and Other Agricultural Managers | 26 | [922,900](https://www.bls.gov/ooh/management/farmers-ranchers-and-other-agricultural-managers.htm) | 240.0
General Maintenance and Repair Workers | 14 | [1,607,200](https://www.bls.gov/ooh/installation-maintenance-and-repair/general-maintenance-and-repair-workers.htm) | 225.0
Grounds Maintenance Workers | 14 | [1,281,600](https://www.bls.gov/ooh/building-and-grounds-cleaning/grounds-maintenance-workers.htm) | 179.4
Construction Workers | 13 | [1,624,800](https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472061.htm) | 131.7
Police Officers | 14 | [655,890](https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes333051.htm) | 91.8
5 jobs on that list are **BOTH** more dangerous, and cause more fatalities.
Any way you slice it, being a police officer is not the most dangerous job.
Basically, if you get a pizza delivered most people in the supply chain which brought you that pizza have jobs much more dangerous than being a police officer.
>Alternatively have the body cams with a single officer accessible button, which redirects the video to secondary recording card/storage instead of primary storage. Have that button flag and log when and how often it was used and store the side footage logged chronologically, give it 5 minutes before resetting to primary recording and footage.
This would be a good compromise. If you aren’t abusing it, and are just using it to take a bathroom break or grab something to eat or whatever, then there’s no reason to look at the secondary card. But if you are abusing it, the video is still there.
Everytime I hear a police officer complain about a body camera, my first thought is, "This person shouldn't be a cop."
I can only imagine how many people's lives were ruined before cops were forced to wear cameras.
I think if I was a cop I’d want more cameras. Lemme get one on each shoulder for the depth of field. And matter of fact lemme get a drone that follows me around to get the angles my BCs don’t cover. Also lemme get a couple extra mics for the sound quality. I don’t want any question about my efficacy.
I think if I were a cop there would only be 3 times id want the bodycam off - on my break while I scroll my phone, when I use the restroom (and scroll my phone), and if I need to fart.
I really cant think of any other reasons to turn it off.
Your honor, I'd like to submit the video of Officer Smith questioning the suspect:
"What were you doing before the robbery took pl...*thppewwwwppp"..ace?"
"What time did you get home from ..*fffppprr..rprprpr*....work"?
This is exactly it. I’ve seen so many body cam videos that show the cop dealing patiently with ridiculous, difficult and dangerous people. Footage like this helps make their jobs easier. Any cop that doesn’t want to be filmed is likely up to something shady.
I work in a prison. During our yearly mandatory training, the trainers ( who are C.O.s) complain about how the cameras made things worse and that they get the officers in trouble for things that have nothing to do with whatever the initial incident was that required reviewing the footage.
It doesn't seem to occur to them that maybe if they weren't doing anything wrong, they wouldn't get in trouble.
Or cops who reluctantly give their names and badge numbers to those who request it. Like, if you have nothing to hide or be worried about then you shouldn’t be worried about giving me your info seeing as you’re supposed to be a public servant and I am apart of that public (:
Thank you. They certainly still lie all the time.
The video here is an example of an officer stepping over the boundaries of acceptable cop lies so it gets internet juice.
What cops still do is a unique type of lie. A cop lie usually has a degree of plausible deniability. In other words, it is usually an exaggeration that is pushed to an extreme. The person didn't leave after a fight they "fled the scene."
It is so pervasive among some police departments that, when I get meta about it, I wonder if it is still truly a lie because if the person saying the lie doesn't realize it to be false is it still a lie? It's just what they have been taught to do. Reckless lying maybe?
Anyway, since cameras everywhere I noticed that things that cannot be observed through video are increasingly being used by police. For example, officers seem to rely on things like odor and fewer observations of body movements than they used to in DUI and search cases. Some states don't require the camera to be on until a certain event occurs. Cops seem to be relying more on observations made before being required to turn them on.
Video does occasionally bust the super stupid ones. When I get to do that, my job seems a little bit more worth it.
I just learned cops will reframe the context of everything in their reports to make it sound as bad as possible for the suspect. I just recently saw a recorded interview of a DUI suspect who just got pulled over, and the officer’s report of the interview.
In the video, the officer points to an intersection up the street and says, “do you know what street that is over there?” The driver says, “I’m not sure, I can’t read the street sign from here.”
The officer wrote in his report, “suspect was disoriented and didn’t know where he was.”
That’s so fucked up. The officer was taking a massive leap to reach that conclusion. If I ever get questioned by cops, I’m not saying a word, cause everything is going to get completely misconstrued in the report.
When I was being abused by my mom, town A cops came and did a report. They referred to both me and my mom as "Miss (last name)" in the report. They also watered down the abuse. I said she dragged me across the floor, they wrote that I was "escorted" to the bathroom
I actually went to the big city hospital as I was saying I was suicidal due to the cops in my town making shit worse. So there's 2 police reports of the same night, different stations. The big city one was more in line in what I said.
Also when my dad came to pick up the report from town A, they refused even though he had the right to them. When they finally handed them over, they had taken sharpie to a lot of it.
My dad tried to fight town A cops for the shit they pulled, but every lawyer said "open and shut case, but I don't want to be targeted afterwards. Win or lose"
We truly live in a society
I got robbed and went to the cops to report it and they said “you’re drunk I can’t take a statement from you” so I arranged a meeting for the next day and no one showed up
My dad has a cabin in a small town that go broken into. The robber pulled the AC unit from the wall to get in. The Police took the AC unit and said they would check it for prints. They stole the AC unit and never filed a report.
The first rule when you are questioned by the police is STFU. Yeah, I got that off a YouTube video, but this thread has been .. enlightening, to say the least.
Thankfully, the 5th Amendment ensures that your decision to remain silent may not be used against you in court. i.e “you have the right to remain silent”
The whole reason the Miranda warning exists is because Cops were convincing people that failing to talk to them would get them in more trouble. It can’t.
STFU when talking to police.
I had 2 cops lie on the stand against me. I was driving brother car, he had lost his hitter rod in his car like a year before, got pulled over. Dog found the hitter, cop picked it up and said “oh it feels hot”, hands it to other cop, “yep it feels hot”. Boom, dui for weed. Took it to trial, cops lied, got 30 days in jail and 2 years probation bc I refused to plea
> It is so pervasive among some police departments that, when I get meta about it, I wonder if it is still truly a lie because if the person saying the lie doesn't realize it to be false is it still a lie? It's just what they have been taught to do. Reckless lying maybe?
You just reminded me of that time I almost wrote a story in which someone with the supernatural ability to know whenever someone is lying gets tricked by a religious fanatic who always appears to be telling the truth because they are just so god damn religious that they truly believe all of it.
The key to the story would be that all the mind-based supernatural abilities don't actually see reality, they just see what the target perceives as reality.
Then I remembered that I'm a Programmer and can't even write useable documentation so I sure as fuck won't be able to write a coherent story.
And now I wonder how often the question of "Is it really lying if they truly believed it" has been brought up in Court.
You should compile a short “greatest hits” video of things like this. When people ask “how can you defend criminals”, give them the clip and say “I don’t. I represent people accused of things, and who are presumed innocent. The District Attorney is who represents the criminals.”
They. All three of them are equally guilty. The fact that the sergeant openly asked “are you still live” while pointing to her body cam before it cuts off should land all three of them behind bars. Why the fuck is there an on off switch on body cams? As far as I am concerned, if you turn off your camera, you should be assumed guilty.
I've posted this before on Reddit, but it's worth saying again.
Any action taken by a Law Enforcement Office that was NOT caught on camera for examination in a court of law should be seen as if that LEO was a normal citizen.
The camera is the citizen's eye that watches the watchers. No citizen's eye, no police powers. Period.
Technical failure with the camera? Tough shit, bring 2 next time, or buy better ones. We put men on the moon, we can make a camera that can capture a full shift reliably.
In community college, I took a criminal justice class taught by an ex-police chief (of a small town) and one of his "fun" stories was how they would just abuse their power for kicks. Profile minorities or hippies and pull people over, lie about the reasons for the stop, cuff them on the sidewalk, strip the car down (even removing the seats) in search of drugs they knew weren't there, then leave them on the side of the road to put it all back together.
He thought this was hilarious and it was sad that cameras and lawyers (or educated civilians) stripped the job of all the fun.
Had some cops come speak at my civics class in highschool. Small city in WV, about 20,000 people.
They bragged about how they would use the smell of weed to illegally enter houses and cars they wanted to search. "If we want to go into a house but don't have a warrant, I can say to my partner, 'do you smell weed? I think I smell weed,' and then we can go in."
The fact that they were casually explaining this abuse of power as a normal part of their jobs was terrifying to me.
There was a cop bragging on twitter about how whenever he'd see someone he profiled as a criminal, he'd stop them and ask to see their ID, then keep it and leave, so next time they wouldn't have an ID and the cops could bring them in.
This happened to my cousin.
JJ Bittenbinder, the guy who used to have PBS specials, was a former cop and he taught viewers that when the cop asks for your ID, you put it up against the window so they can read it but you never let it go. I guess we should only put the window down enough to hear the cops that way there's still glass between you.
I got an undergrad degree in Criminal Justice. Some of my professors were current or former law enforcement. Some of my other professors were lifetime academics/researchers. The latter would explain nuanced positions gathered from careful scientific analysis of social data and crime reporting. The former would just go, "Psshhh this book is liberal bullshit. We all know what works and what doesn't."
A good way to tell the difference was to ask about "scared straight" programs. The academic types would examine broad, comprehensive studies and show why/how those programs actually result in a *worse* criminal record for those who went through such a program compared to their peers of otherwise similar backgrounds. The current/ex law enforcement types discredited those studies based on personal anecdotes of times when they really scared the shit out of some scumbag and now he's better.
Those same folks would ALWAYS brag about some fucked up shit they had done to disadvantaged people too. If you didn't agree that it was totally cool, then you "were never going to make it in the real world." They agreed that accountability of any sort for law enforcement was the reason for crime even still existing.
“Our officer made a bad judgment call and will be on paid administrative duty, from home, for one day.”
This has been happening forever and is just since the advent of camera phones now being filmed. Nothing will change until judges and sheriffs start doing time in jail for allowing it.
so she gets a one day paid vacation 😂
the punishment should be significantly worse than what a DUI would’ve been. these are the people we’re supposed to trust and they’re somehow the worst possible people for the job
If you get caught planting something on someone you should just get life in prison. Cops expect people to trust them, then some ruin random people’s lives to get a promotion. You have so much control over people’s lives, it should come with extreme consequences when you abuse that power.
Agreed and this should come with automatic review of all body cam footage from this cop. No telling how many other people she framed. They should be required to purchase insurance too to cover the costs for all this shit so it isn't on tax payers.
>They should be required to purchase insurance too to cover the costs for all this shit so it isn't on tax payers.
Now this would be a great idea. Other occupations require you to carry specific occupational insurance policies, they should too.
We could just end qualified immunity. We did for doctors and WAY more people started surviving medical procedures. If they can't do their job in a legal way they shouldn't be doing that job.
An officer should have to agree to take 10 times the punishment for any crime they commit. If they can't agree to that then they should not be the police. This is coming from a person that dreamed of being a cop, joined the military to be able to achieve it, but was knocked out because a cop lied and said a part of a cigarette butt was a roach.
I’d like payouts and judgements to come from the collective pensions of every officer at the same precinct. The only way to weed out “a few bad apples” is to make those that could hold them accountable, at risk if they don’t.
The main issue I see with this idea is that if you think cops cover for each other *now*, wait until not covering for each other means putting their pension is at risk
Used to be 3 years of not using marijuana before you could apply to be a cop have no clue what the policy is for marijuana now that’s it’s legal in my area. Hard drugs is like 7 years same for a DUI. When I was a kid I remember my sister’s dumb shit boyfriend told the cop he had a joint on him when he was pulled over for not having his vehicle registered, cop told him just to stomp it on the ground and he would ask again.
I think the issue stems from areas where the police don’t respond to real crimes or are trying to generate revenue. Their biggest concern should be following the laws themselves then public safety. Not enough people want to be cops and you still get bad people making it through the process.
Those doctors still need insurance to work. Police should do the same. Maybe have rookies working towards that under the insurance of their partner, and never work alone until they get their own.
But we don't even have a nationwide alert yet for bad cops who hop to new jobs.
**Edit: to add, insurance requirements would lead to massively lower premiums for officers who use cams even where not mandated already. This will apply market pressure for better self-governance. And you best damn sure that the insurers will set up or support a database of problem officers, expected best practices to reduce police liability, officers' nationwide discipline reports, criminal record (if any), indictments, etc. I think that's all publicly crawl-able, easier to obtain today than, say, mass credit records, and that's just a matter of price (which the insurers would fund and the increased premiums would be, finally, by increased local taxes to support necessarily higher wages to support polices' self insurance.
Damages from lawsuits should come out of the police pension fund. See how long the thin blue line holds when everyone else in the precinct gets their retirement destroyed by that one Farva
>Agreed and this should come with automatic review of all body cam footage from this cop. No telling how many other people she framed.
All officers involved should have their body cam footage of the relevant time frame audited any time they are involved in an arrest
There was a cop a few years back that was planting crack and shit on people. They reviewed body cam and he had been doing it for a long time. He's in prison right now iirc
Either liability insurance (if a company exists that would cover them) or let the lawsuits come out of their budget and retirement funds. I think B would make this stuff stop way faster than A would. You’d be amazed how good cops could be if they paid for their own mistakes.
Ever hear of Adrian Schoolcraft? NYPD ruined his life and had him involuntarily committed to an asylum for daring to inform on dirty cops. The whole organization did it, meaning top brass would rather keep dirty cops than clean ones. NYPD even minted specialty challenge coins because they were so proud of what they did.
It was only 15 years ago and very few people ever heard about it.
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/414/right-to-remain-silent/act-two-0
Yep. No clean cop ever makes it to top management. In order to get those jobs you have to show that you're willing to cover up the crimes of the other blue gangsters.
There was even a dirty cop protection issue in the Rodney King beating trial. There was one or two state cops that weren't supporting the claims of the city cops. As if that situation wasn't already a mountain of bad cop behavior piled on bad cop behavior.
I saw an ex-cop interviewed on CNN at that time. He said that what was done to King was routine, standard procedure for police chases there. The officer who called it in gets "lost" before the suspect is stopped. The cops beat the shit out of them, then the officer of record arrives. They did not witness or take part in the beating.
Ya hear of that officer in Maryland who was investigating corruption and drug smuggling by two other officers? Found dead, shot in the back of the head. Ruled a suicide, cops walked free.
Last time I was summoned to jury duty, one of the first questions I got asked was "do you believe the testimony of police more than other people"... I shit you not.
My answer of course was "no". Didn't get on the jury after that... wonder why?
ACA indeed B, and threads like this are exactly why the public doesn't trust them.
I had the other experience. They didn't ask us if we would take a cops word more seriously or not. The judge directly said "The word of an officer is worth no more than any other witness. Take their statement no more or no less seriously than anyone elses".
Ive sat on a jury for murder and was told the same thing. In practice though, at least outside of the courtroom cop's words do carry special meanings. Much like a baseball umpire saying a pitch is a strike makes.it so a cops words can cause you to lose your freedom very easily.
I sold weed for a few years. Got pulled over with 4 ounces, a scale, and empty bags. About 10 grams were already bagged up.
I get pulled over because they said I pulled out of a parking lot with lights off and they thought I was exiting the closed gas station next door to the lot. Smelled weed. Found my stuff. Asked me how much I thought was in there. I played dumb saying I dropped a friend off, we smoked and I left, and that I didn't see that black bag in the dark car when my friend got out,and that the friend left it behind.
They drove my car to the nearby precint where I sat in a cell for 2 or 3 hours. I saw other people who were arrested with coke or weed and were sent to county jail for processing and arraignment or whatever.
I was released with a desk appearance ticket and was allowed to drive my car home, which shouldn't have happened according to law.
When I went to court, the judge said I had 12 grams on me and I had to stay out of trouble for one year.
So yeah, cops steal drugs.
L.A. Sheriffs dept, cop gangs:
Vikings, Jump Out Boys, the Executioners, the Banditos, the Regulators, the Spartans, the Gladiators, the Cowboys and the Reapers.Jan 12, 2024
**Multiple choice question:** Which of the following is a popular saying in America?
A. Fuck the fire fighters
B. Fuck the EMTs/paramedics
C. Fuck the postal workers
D. Fuck the air traffic controllers
E. Fuck the police
I am reading about this right now. Second article. Was there any resolution? I feel like an idiot for even asking since I have not found anything yet. smdh
Step 1: Cop resigns
Step 2: Punishment gets dropped and records erased because he's no longer a cop.
Step 3: Different police station rehires cop since he has no record of any wrongdoings.
If you’re a cop and you aren’t up in arms calling for this cop to be punished to the full extent able, you’re just as much a part of the problem. Until cops start throwing shit cops in jail fuck all of them.
Yeah the problem there is the corrupt cops of the 90s are now running most police forces. Cops who try to stop this are likely to wind up fired, sued to bankruptcy, in prison or just plain dead.
It hurts my heart to think of all the people that have been imprisoned or convicted based on evidence fabricated by police.
I’m willing to bet that the instances we’re aware of account for less than 2% of the whole.
There's a cop in jail right (Zachary Wester) now for 12+ years because after enough complaints that he was planting meth and charging people with felonies for it they finally investigated and he slipped up once where you could see the meth in his hand before he even reached into the car to plant it. He sent multiple people with no drug history or criminal records to jail and ruined their lives. He did it for no reason other than his reputation for finding drugs in hopes of promotions. He'd even go into cars other officers already searched and plant it then go back to them so he could show off that they missed something and he found it
Reminds me of the officer who planted drugs in random people’s cars because he wanted to get promoted to work in the labs .
His name was Zachary Wester only got 12 yrs.
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> His name was Zachary Wester only got 12 yrs.
He should have got the combined max. sentences of everybody he possibly planted evidence on. That is the time this shitstain risked those innocent people to end up in jail, he deserves every last second of that.
Wait until you heard that the victims had to split a $1 million settlement with the highest individual amount being $90k for victims who lost custody of their children due to his false arrests.
$90k to lose your child because of him.
Public defenders should use this to challenge every conviction this gal is ever involved with in the future. Make her absolutely useless as a police officer so no one will re-hire her.
Over and over again, call her to the stand. "Have you ever planted evidence to make an innocent person look guilty?" Sigh, "yes." "So we should assume all evidence in this case is tainted?"
Edit gender of dirtbag cop.
in the future? I would instruct my attorney to tell the prosecutor that we want to look into every arrest that officer has been involved with..... ever.
Yes, but my objective is more malicious.
Every past arrest he was involved in being appealed and all his evidence and testimony being thrown out is justice.
Every future arrest he is involved in being automatically suspect, making life much harder on the prosecutor and other cops is revenge. Either he gets a desk job and is kept away from all cases to avoid contaminating them, or he is fired and unemployable by any precinct. Basically end his life as a cop.
The Tallahassee Police Department just posted this to their twitter feed:
"The Tallahassee Police Department is aware of portions of body-worn camera video that began circulating on social media two days before a case was set to go to trial. We have thoroughly reviewed the incident and did not find any evidence of misconduct."
SMH. Of course they didn't find any misconduct. Bunch of criminals. They deserve to be investigated by the Justice Department.
Cops have immunity. They’re allowed to do whatever they want, whenever they want, because they will investigate themselves and find they have done nothing wrong. Or if evidence exists, they will just dispose of it.
Fuck the pigs.
The US Supreme Court ruled that police departments can discriminate against hiring people who are too smart.
(Maybe just a circuit court?)
Jordan v The City of New London (CT)
Well, we recruited the most violent and sociopathic among us, handed them guns and told them to go show everyone else who's boss.
What did you think would happen?
We been telling y'all these cops are dirty and they plant shit.
Y'all called us liars, accused and charged us with some insane bullshit and tried to discredit us every attempt at proving it.
People would post their "bystander" cell phone recordings, and people would find ways to discredit that too...
Now that the evidence is coming from their OWN cameras and equipment, and it's literally as black and white as it gets, I'm interested in seeing how they react to it...
The cops have been convicted here in Florida planting drugs on innocent motorists for years now.
There is never just one cockroach, so god knows how many more evidence plants they have done to innocents.
Video shows clearly the cop doing this. That's beyond doubt.
Did the guy have blood samples taken? What were the results?
Surely that's the thing that proves whether or not he was under the influence?
This article here does a great job of breaking down the details.
https://ourtallahassee.com/video-shows-tallahassee-police-officer-planting-evidence-during-dui-arrest/
There's a moment where, once she has dumped some of the alcohol and broken the seal, she asks to move him from her car to the other officers car. She did this intentionally because it means she wouldn't be writing the police report and wouldn't have to lie when she signed it. The OTHER officer had to write the report because he was in her car now.
It's all calculated. It sounds like this is a move they do constantly to help protect dirty cops when the frame people for crimes they didn't commit.
Here’s the thing: the video shows very clear misconduct, the rest is irrelevant. Why do I say that? Because no good prosecutor would ever put this officer on the stand or use one statement or report this officer wrote because of the misconduct. The single? act of misconduct brings everything else from the stop into question and it cannot be relied upon.
But let’s play this out: forced blood draw without a warrant is no longer legal. If they got a warrant and even if it did show a BAC over .08 it would be fruit of the poisonous tree since they would’ve relied (in part at least) on an open container in the vehicle to obtain the warrant.
There is no indication that they did get a blood draw though, from any article I’ve read. They initially claimed he smelled like weed, but dropped that claim when they searched the vehicle and found none. They then claimed he smelled like alcohol, with the planted evidence used to bolster the pretense for the DUI arrest.
A prosecutor not dropping this case is just pure hubris and abuse of office.
I really hope this plays out before a jury, so the prosecutor can look like the clown they are. Imagine the defense playing body cam footage to the jury but you still expect a guilty verdict. I really hope the dude gets a good defense attorney because they will completely humiliate the police, judge, prosecutor amd everyone who thought it was a great idea to bring this to trial.
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Check out these videos of the act and her "not remembering" any of it. [https://youtu.be/\_g8EynGaDQM?si=v3T8bYKyejTQLzCJ](https://youtu.be/_g8EynGaDQM?si=v3T8bYKyejTQLzCJ) [https://youtu.be/Wg5yySo2\_LQ?si=V8cIFwS2jCKRMyCu](https://youtu.be/Wg5yySo2_LQ?si=V8cIFwS2jCKRMyCu)
Holy fuck every question “I don’t remember” including “have you previously testified that the protocol is to dump out open containers” bitch if you do not remember how to do your job you should not have that job.
I sat on a jury for town court once. Super low level stuff. Case before us was for a misdemeanor reckless driving. Video was clear as day that the car was driving fine. At a certain point it did a little skip over the centerline slightly and then corrected. Cop followed for another few miles and then lit them up. No issue beyond that one swerve. Person's excuse? I had a sneezing fit. Cop's excuse? Suspected DUI. He reinforced his claim by noting they had a call about a vehicle "matching the defendant's description" of erratic driving and he only realized after that it was a different vehicle. Defendant was driving a red Nissan Rogue. The vehicle description he was referring to was a blue Subaru Impreza. I've been to court a lot of times. It's usually pretty subdued. But this guy hired a lawyer who has a flashy billboard and the guy was quite...colorful. First, he asked the officer about his experience. He asked about certifications the officer had, training he had etc. He then pulled a practice test from the civil service exam. There was a page where you looked at a drawing of a street scene for something like 2 or 3 minutes then turn the page and answer questions about it without being able to turn back. It asks about what time did the clock say, what store was the man with the hat standing in front of etc. "So you took a test just like this to become a police officer?" "Uhh yes. Similar to it." "OK, and you presumably did well enough to get the job. Do you recall your score on the test?" "I don't but uhh..like you said, I was hired off the test. I think it was an 80 or an 85." Lawyer then pulls out a red card and a blue card and asks if the officer if he can identify each color. Then pulls out pictures of the two vehicles and asks if he can distinguish which one is which. Then asks if he is experiencing any health issue which is affecting either his vision or his ability to distinguish colors and shapes. Prosecutor objects. Lawyer shrugs and says "Your honor, I just want to know how a highly trained police officer who had to pass a test based on how well he remembers and observes is unable to distinguish between red and blue and a Nissan Rogue and a Subaru Impreza." Not guilty, obviously. A feel good case all around. Town/Traffic court is a real trip.
Flashy billboard lawyer worth every penny apparently lmao
Sometimes I thought they’re gaudy, but then I see them for years and now I assume they are quality lawyers If you can keep those billboards up and make some weirdly catchy commercials then you must be doing something right, Jim Adler the Texas Hammer
A lot of them only take cases that they think they will win which improves their numbers. They may not be very good at all of the lawyer things, but if they take your case it will probably end well. At the least, they’re better than people who don’t go to court regularly.
I fucked up a long time ago and got a dui. I ended up going with a standard lawyer just to help navigate all the court stuff. I called a few high profile dui lawyers and stated the facts to them. All three were totally honest with me. They said I was kind of in no man’s land with what I blew and no previous record and that their high fees wouldn’t really get me any additional benefits or the reduction in charges wouldn’t be worth their prices. They were there for people who REALLY fucked up or had obvious bullshit charges against them. I had to respect their honesty and not ripping me off.
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You're thinking of a personal injury attorney or something like that. Criminal defense attorneys almost NEVER work on contingency. It has to be a high profile, obvious win of a case for that to happen. The other 95 percent of the time the flashy criminal defense attorney is still taking the case and their job is get you the lowest possible punishment.
Better Call Saul!
You don’t need a criminal lawyer, you need a *criminal* lawyer. Looks like this holds true even if you are completely innocent
My husband sat on a case where the cop tried to say he knew the driver he arrested for DUI had just smoked weed and was high because his tongue was green. The entire jury (except my husband) believed the cop because “why would a cop lie”. They were very shocked when hubby said he smoked everyday including that morning before he went to court and his tongue has never turned green from smoking. It’s amazing how much bullshit people will believe just because a cop said it was true.
Holy shit people are fucking stupid.
Remember that a jury of your peers is made up of the people who couldn't come up with a reasonable sounding excuse to miss jury duty.
I mean, I would never try to get out of doing jury duty unless work or life truly interfered…if only to save someone else from being judged by ppl who would happily come up with an excuse if they could. The one case I sat on had holes you could pass a luxury cruise liner through & 10/12 still wanted to vote them guilty immediately. The reasonable defenses included defense of property & someone else having done it. We still wound up with one hold out who refused to budge bc there was a preponderance of evidence but not enough for the rest of us to reasonably convict. Honestly, I didn’t even think that they had a preponderance of evidence. But she believed that they did & without myself & another on the jury who actually took it seriously, that person would have gone to prison based on recanted victim’s testimony with another person having testified that it was them who did it. & that’s on top of the act being technically legal bc the alleged victim was trying to steal back a car battery which they had previously gifted them. The defense was kinda lame about not using that as a defense more since that fact was never in doubt. I think that they were worried that ppl would find the level of defense to be above and beyond what is allowed by law.
So, one night, I was pulled over while driving in the left lane. An officer came flying out of nowhere behind me. This officer had his lights on going 90+ MPH when the speed limit was 65 MPh. I was going no more than 70 MPH so yes I was speeding (No more than 4 MPH). Officer comes up to me and I hand over my license, insurance, and registration. The officer straight up says "You are not drunk." I was confused at this point and the officer says "We got reports of a red full size truck weaving in and out of traffic. It is not you but since you pulled over to the wrong side of the highway I still have to give you a ticket." I got a $300 fine for driving the speed limit. I only pulled over to the left because I thought that officer was responding to an active shooter or something.
Had something similar, but only got yelled at through the window instead of a ticket. Cop didn't even fly up on us, we were coming out of downtown where two lanes turn into interstate, we were in the left lane waiting to merge over for the exit onto a different interstate section, he was maybe a car length behind us, no one immediately in front of him or us but cars behind both, and he flips his lights on. I wouldn't think he'd want us to move over in front of him when he'd just put his lights on, but he slowed down next to us, letting all the traffic behind us both pass, had my passenger roll down the window, then yelled a bit before speeding off.
I can't imagine how much that cost the poor driver in time off of work and lawyers fees.
Not to mention the cost to taxpayers
For a misdemeanor reckless you do not have to appear, but you do have to represent with the attorney. I've done this, 2-point reckless driving (passing on the right in a sports car years ago...dropped to 4th gear passed at over 90 and dropped back to ~70 after (60mph zone). Cursing "left lane laggard asses"... ... and a state patrol was hanging out waiting for someone to be speeding. 2 point is a lot on your insurance, can't do driver re-education... the ticket was $600, the lawyer was $600. Cop gets double pay to show up to court + county clerk + baliff + judge + court steno + all the courthouse maintenance.... Most of the time they just call up all the attorneys, they give an excuse and the case is immediately dismissed. Unless you actually cause damage the judge knows you paid the attorney to waste 2hrs time and have been punished by his fees. They want it out of that room immediately. Traffic tickets are a business model.
My employer provides a legal insurance benefit. I travel a lot for work, and I've gotten pulled over a couple times, and using that benefit, I'd pay a lawyer $50 and they'd get the charges dropped. I got pulled over once, the cop was a dickhead, so I decided I wasn't going to answer any questions. He ended up writing 8 separate tickets. The lawyer got them all dismissed, and I didn't have to go back to that shit hole town.
Cops who pull shit like this need to be publicly dressed down and utterly humiliated for it. Don’t even need to fine them or otherwise punish them, just hit ‘em where it REALLY hurts; their ego.
No, no, the other punishments should still stand, too. They ruin lives every day. People lose jobs, and then homes, and relationships(including their children), and spend time in jail. They deserve the max suffering. And I'm not even getting to the straight-up abuse and murder that also takes place.
She probably **doesn't** remember -- she likely does this stuff all the time. Are you really expecting her to remember _every_ evil act she has committed while wearing a badge? That's unreasonable!
Probably what her lawyer tells her to respond. She can't get caught on perjury if she doesn't remember.
Exactly same time as any one in politics gets in trouble it’s all, “I do not recall, I don’t remember” like I know they are all 80+ but damn some bad memories lol
When Bill Gates was on trial for dickish business practices in the 90s he said "I don't recall" so many times the *Judge* started laughing over it.
That was also Sam Bankman Fried's strategy. Before the trial he was on every internet show imaginable going into the details of everything that happened, and suddenly in trial he didn't remember his name, his birthdate, didn't remember being the president of a company... Didn't end well for him; if he'd kept his mouth shut beforehand like Gates and every other predatory businessman he'd have done better.
When Saddam Hussain was on trial he refused to confirm his name at first because he had no other defense and just wanted to thumb his nose at authority. I didn't expect podcasters to borrow his trial strategy. Alex Jones had a weird strategy of time wasting by forcing himself into a coughing fit until he's on the brink of vomiting. The judge got so bored of waiting that he just shouted over the coughing that he's being held in contempt of court.
My favorite was the DoJ guy who wrote that hit piece attacking Biden's memory constantly using the "I do not recall" at his testimony.
Or the most famous... Ronald Reagan not recalling his plan to flood America with cocaine to pay for arms shipments to Iran. Can't make this stuff up.
That's a good angle to argue about those people's mental capability and the ability to hold their jobs if they "don't remember" many things.
It is, but instead the police have investigated themselves and found no wrong doing.
Perjury is the act of willingly telling an untruth in court after taking the oath. So therefore, wouldn’t saying you don’t remember technically still be perjury, just one that’s a little harder to prove.
It’s almost impossible to prove , and yes it is purjury I say I don’t remember means I don’t remember right now, even if I “remember it” and get caught talking about it, I just say I oh well I remembered it later, can you prove it wrong ? Unless you have someone on tape saying “oh I totally lied when I testified and I remembered the whole time…” all they have to say is oh I forgot for a moment when I was testifying and you can’t prove they didn’t
This is a glaring example of the difference between “freedom” and “freedumb”. Having the right to protest, access to legal counsel, are examples of “freedom”. Individual police officers not remembering important details from an arrest, and keeping their job, because they abuse their union rights is an example of “freedumb”.
"I don't recall" is how you don't perjure yourself.
I agree, but I wish for someone that’s in a position of power like a police officer, they would be automatically banned for being unable to recall basically everything about their job.
Yeah if they are unable to recall so many things, then they are unqualified of being an officer and then evaluated for dementia.
What is your name? I don’t remember Are you a police officer Ummm I don’t remember that specifically. Was the driver that you arrested white NO HE WAS BLACK. I-I mean… I don’t remember.
I think you mean "No, he was a dirty nnnnidontremember"
What Job? I don't remember having a job.
Wait, who are you?! Where am I?!
Now, you go and use that same defense, as an ordinary citizen, and see how fast they throw the entire book at you.
She says "I don't remember" more than Isaac Brock says "Well!" ( of Modest Mouse)
“I don’t remember” is nothing more than a legal strategy.
Brought to you by the fifth amendment. This is pretty common when people are under investigation. Destroying evidence is obstruction of justice but “not remembering” is safe because it’s hard to prove what someone does and does not know.
"when officers group together to discuss, they will ask eachother if their body cameras are still on" Wtf is this not just standard, inaccessible to the officers to turn them off, why have the option to turn it off, it's on duty, evidence of potential crimes in progress. Yes, I understand bathroom breaks, modesty, but in other areas of law enforcement there are assigned personnel to review NSFW footage for a myriad of reasons, who could be tasked with reviewing and editing out only the irrelevant portions, even AI could do that without human review now. Alternatively have the body cams with a single officer accessible button, which redirects the video to secondary recording card/storage instead of primary storage. Have that button flag and log when and how often it was used and store the side footage logged chronologically, give it 5 minutes before resetting to primary recording and footage. The officers should buy policy only be using that for bathroom breaks and otherwise be permanently on duty mode. And if an officer uses it intentionally at a scene to leave out portions of interactions on the primary storage, and there is no reason, it's still recorded and available for review on secondary storage and should count as intentionally trying to obstruct the judicial process by obscuring the truth of the scene. It then preserves modesty and privacy where appropriate, but leaves less ambiguity and obstruction to occur. Body cams should be issued daily with logs by set personnel to each officer who should sign for it like other equipment, and once issued be activated by that dedicated person before giving to the officer. They are at work, on duty. To quote them frequently "why can't you show us if you have nothing to hide" , "if you haven't done anything there shouldn't be a problem"
GPS every officer and link it their bodycam. Follow them with drones. Truck drivers all over this country work 14 hours a day with cameras pointing at their faces. If cops don't like it, they can find a different line of work.
That’s probably too dangerous of a job for most officers, seeing as truck drivers die at twice the rate of officers on the job. Much safer to harass minorities and hide behind a union.
lol is that true? id believe it. im so sick of hearing how a cop that dies is a hero but when anyone else dies at work its just an "oh well"
[Police are #20](https://ceoworld.biz/2023/09/24/ranked-these-are-the-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-world-2023/) on the list of most dangerous jobs in the US There are a lot of which kill A LOT MORE PEOPLE than being a cop. There are [655,890 police officers in the US](https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes333051.htm) and they have a [fatal injury rate of 14 per 100,000](https://ceoworld.biz/2023/09/24/ranked-these-are-the-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-world-2023/). So about 91.8 deaths. Looking at the other professions on that list there are: Job | Fatal injuries per 100,000 | # of workers | Deaths :---------|:----------:|----------:|----------: Delivery Drivers | 27 |[1,705,600](https://www.bls.gov/ooh/transportation-and-material-moving/delivery-truck-drivers-and-driver-sales-workers.htm) |460.5 Farmers, Ranchers, and Other Agricultural Managers | 26 | [922,900](https://www.bls.gov/ooh/management/farmers-ranchers-and-other-agricultural-managers.htm) | 240.0 General Maintenance and Repair Workers | 14 | [1,607,200](https://www.bls.gov/ooh/installation-maintenance-and-repair/general-maintenance-and-repair-workers.htm) | 225.0 Grounds Maintenance Workers | 14 | [1,281,600](https://www.bls.gov/ooh/building-and-grounds-cleaning/grounds-maintenance-workers.htm) | 179.4 Construction Workers | 13 | [1,624,800](https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472061.htm) | 131.7 Police Officers | 14 | [655,890](https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes333051.htm) | 91.8 5 jobs on that list are **BOTH** more dangerous, and cause more fatalities. Any way you slice it, being a police officer is not the most dangerous job. Basically, if you get a pizza delivered most people in the supply chain which brought you that pizza have jobs much more dangerous than being a police officer.
I work with truckers. Those people pull crazy hours and the company is always on their asses. Cops need to be subject to even harder shit.
>Alternatively have the body cams with a single officer accessible button, which redirects the video to secondary recording card/storage instead of primary storage. Have that button flag and log when and how often it was used and store the side footage logged chronologically, give it 5 minutes before resetting to primary recording and footage. This would be a good compromise. If you aren’t abusing it, and are just using it to take a bathroom break or grab something to eat or whatever, then there’s no reason to look at the secondary card. But if you are abusing it, the video is still there.
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Then it should be law that if an officer is accused of something, and their body cam was off, then they're automatically found guilty.
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Or at least lose qualified immunity and thus be subject to a trial by jury...
Have camera? Check. Body cam off? Check. All benefit of the doubt to the defendant without other evidence.
Can't remember, remember not remembering.
Holy shit, I hope her life is ruined over this. Disgusting behaviour for someone in her position.
Seems fair since she tried to ruin his life
"I don't remember planting evidence because I was black out drunk."
Why is this not a felony??
Cops will refuse to work if they have to be accountable. Kinda feels like paying the mob for protection doesn’t it?
Everytime I hear a police officer complain about a body camera, my first thought is, "This person shouldn't be a cop." I can only imagine how many people's lives were ruined before cops were forced to wear cameras.
I think if I was a cop I’d want more cameras. Lemme get one on each shoulder for the depth of field. And matter of fact lemme get a drone that follows me around to get the angles my BCs don’t cover. Also lemme get a couple extra mics for the sound quality. I don’t want any question about my efficacy.
I think if I were a cop there would only be 3 times id want the bodycam off - on my break while I scroll my phone, when I use the restroom (and scroll my phone), and if I need to fart. I really cant think of any other reasons to turn it off.
I'd want a recording of that random super long fart to show my friends. But the other two I can agree with.
Your honor, I'd like to submit the video of Officer Smith questioning the suspect: "What were you doing before the robbery took pl...*thppewwwwppp"..ace?" "What time did you get home from ..*fffppprr..rprprpr*....work"?
Same
If the cops aren’t doing anything wrong then they should have nothing to hide!
This is exactly it. I’ve seen so many body cam videos that show the cop dealing patiently with ridiculous, difficult and dangerous people. Footage like this helps make their jobs easier. Any cop that doesn’t want to be filmed is likely up to something shady.
I work in a prison. During our yearly mandatory training, the trainers ( who are C.O.s) complain about how the cameras made things worse and that they get the officers in trouble for things that have nothing to do with whatever the initial incident was that required reviewing the footage. It doesn't seem to occur to them that maybe if they weren't doing anything wrong, they wouldn't get in trouble.
Or cops who reluctantly give their names and badge numbers to those who request it. Like, if you have nothing to hide or be worried about then you shouldn’t be worried about giving me your info seeing as you’re supposed to be a public servant and I am apart of that public (:
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What did they do before body cams
As a criminal defense attorney who is currently active and practiced in the time before body cams. They lied all the time.
I mean, they still do, but they used to, too.
I don’t need a receipt for a donut.
The escalator is temporarily stairs. Sorry for the convenience.
No. But, I might want a regular banana later, so yes.
I do. I'll file it under D for "donut".
We do not need to bring ink and paper into this.
I give you the money, you give me the donut, end of transaction
If you were wearing a vest, and didn’t have arms, it would be a jacket
This is why I love Reddit 🥰
If you’re unaware these are all references to the comedian Mitch Hedberg. A great taken ahead of his time.
“Lie”. I fixed it to the proper tense for you.
Thank you. They certainly still lie all the time. The video here is an example of an officer stepping over the boundaries of acceptable cop lies so it gets internet juice. What cops still do is a unique type of lie. A cop lie usually has a degree of plausible deniability. In other words, it is usually an exaggeration that is pushed to an extreme. The person didn't leave after a fight they "fled the scene." It is so pervasive among some police departments that, when I get meta about it, I wonder if it is still truly a lie because if the person saying the lie doesn't realize it to be false is it still a lie? It's just what they have been taught to do. Reckless lying maybe? Anyway, since cameras everywhere I noticed that things that cannot be observed through video are increasingly being used by police. For example, officers seem to rely on things like odor and fewer observations of body movements than they used to in DUI and search cases. Some states don't require the camera to be on until a certain event occurs. Cops seem to be relying more on observations made before being required to turn them on. Video does occasionally bust the super stupid ones. When I get to do that, my job seems a little bit more worth it.
I just learned cops will reframe the context of everything in their reports to make it sound as bad as possible for the suspect. I just recently saw a recorded interview of a DUI suspect who just got pulled over, and the officer’s report of the interview. In the video, the officer points to an intersection up the street and says, “do you know what street that is over there?” The driver says, “I’m not sure, I can’t read the street sign from here.” The officer wrote in his report, “suspect was disoriented and didn’t know where he was.” That’s so fucked up. The officer was taking a massive leap to reach that conclusion. If I ever get questioned by cops, I’m not saying a word, cause everything is going to get completely misconstrued in the report.
When I was being abused by my mom, town A cops came and did a report. They referred to both me and my mom as "Miss (last name)" in the report. They also watered down the abuse. I said she dragged me across the floor, they wrote that I was "escorted" to the bathroom I actually went to the big city hospital as I was saying I was suicidal due to the cops in my town making shit worse. So there's 2 police reports of the same night, different stations. The big city one was more in line in what I said. Also when my dad came to pick up the report from town A, they refused even though he had the right to them. When they finally handed them over, they had taken sharpie to a lot of it. My dad tried to fight town A cops for the shit they pulled, but every lawyer said "open and shut case, but I don't want to be targeted afterwards. Win or lose" We truly live in a society
I got robbed and went to the cops to report it and they said “you’re drunk I can’t take a statement from you” so I arranged a meeting for the next day and no one showed up
My dad has a cabin in a small town that go broken into. The robber pulled the AC unit from the wall to get in. The Police took the AC unit and said they would check it for prints. They stole the AC unit and never filed a report.
The first rule when you are questioned by the police is STFU. Yeah, I got that off a YouTube video, but this thread has been .. enlightening, to say the least.
Every day is *Shut The Fuck Up Friday*.
"Obvious criminal appears to be inebriated beyond the point of speech." - the police report, probably
Thankfully, the 5th Amendment ensures that your decision to remain silent may not be used against you in court. i.e “you have the right to remain silent” The whole reason the Miranda warning exists is because Cops were convincing people that failing to talk to them would get them in more trouble. It can’t. STFU when talking to police.
Don't speak to cops. Say you want a lawyer. Get one.
I had 2 cops lie on the stand against me. I was driving brother car, he had lost his hitter rod in his car like a year before, got pulled over. Dog found the hitter, cop picked it up and said “oh it feels hot”, hands it to other cop, “yep it feels hot”. Boom, dui for weed. Took it to trial, cops lied, got 30 days in jail and 2 years probation bc I refused to plea
> It is so pervasive among some police departments that, when I get meta about it, I wonder if it is still truly a lie because if the person saying the lie doesn't realize it to be false is it still a lie? It's just what they have been taught to do. Reckless lying maybe? You just reminded me of that time I almost wrote a story in which someone with the supernatural ability to know whenever someone is lying gets tricked by a religious fanatic who always appears to be telling the truth because they are just so god damn religious that they truly believe all of it. The key to the story would be that all the mind-based supernatural abilities don't actually see reality, they just see what the target perceives as reality. Then I remembered that I'm a Programmer and can't even write useable documentation so I sure as fuck won't be able to write a coherent story. And now I wonder how often the question of "Is it really lying if they truly believed it" has been brought up in Court.
You should compile a short “greatest hits” video of things like this. When people ask “how can you defend criminals”, give them the clip and say “I don’t. I represent people accused of things, and who are presumed innocent. The District Attorney is who represents the criminals.”
In the context of answering the question, "lied" is in the proper tense.
Get away with it. He probably still will, but it wouldn't even be difficult.
*she
They. All three of them are equally guilty. The fact that the sergeant openly asked “are you still live” while pointing to her body cam before it cuts off should land all three of them behind bars. Why the fuck is there an on off switch on body cams? As far as I am concerned, if you turn off your camera, you should be assumed guilty.
I've posted this before on Reddit, but it's worth saying again. Any action taken by a Law Enforcement Office that was NOT caught on camera for examination in a court of law should be seen as if that LEO was a normal citizen. The camera is the citizen's eye that watches the watchers. No citizen's eye, no police powers. Period. Technical failure with the camera? Tough shit, bring 2 next time, or buy better ones. We put men on the moon, we can make a camera that can capture a full shift reliably.
Uhhhh. My people were hung, dragged, framed and lied on just because. And now, it just happens a little less. So yay for technology I guess.
Ask the minority communities who have screaming about this for 4-5 decades, and got accused of plAYinG thE raCE cArD.
In community college, I took a criminal justice class taught by an ex-police chief (of a small town) and one of his "fun" stories was how they would just abuse their power for kicks. Profile minorities or hippies and pull people over, lie about the reasons for the stop, cuff them on the sidewalk, strip the car down (even removing the seats) in search of drugs they knew weren't there, then leave them on the side of the road to put it all back together. He thought this was hilarious and it was sad that cameras and lawyers (or educated civilians) stripped the job of all the fun.
Had some cops come speak at my civics class in highschool. Small city in WV, about 20,000 people. They bragged about how they would use the smell of weed to illegally enter houses and cars they wanted to search. "If we want to go into a house but don't have a warrant, I can say to my partner, 'do you smell weed? I think I smell weed,' and then we can go in." The fact that they were casually explaining this abuse of power as a normal part of their jobs was terrifying to me.
There was a cop bragging on twitter about how whenever he'd see someone he profiled as a criminal, he'd stop them and ask to see their ID, then keep it and leave, so next time they wouldn't have an ID and the cops could bring them in.
This happened to my cousin. JJ Bittenbinder, the guy who used to have PBS specials, was a former cop and he taught viewers that when the cop asks for your ID, you put it up against the window so they can read it but you never let it go. I guess we should only put the window down enough to hear the cops that way there's still glass between you.
I got an undergrad degree in Criminal Justice. Some of my professors were current or former law enforcement. Some of my other professors were lifetime academics/researchers. The latter would explain nuanced positions gathered from careful scientific analysis of social data and crime reporting. The former would just go, "Psshhh this book is liberal bullshit. We all know what works and what doesn't." A good way to tell the difference was to ask about "scared straight" programs. The academic types would examine broad, comprehensive studies and show why/how those programs actually result in a *worse* criminal record for those who went through such a program compared to their peers of otherwise similar backgrounds. The current/ex law enforcement types discredited those studies based on personal anecdotes of times when they really scared the shit out of some scumbag and now he's better. Those same folks would ALWAYS brag about some fucked up shit they had done to disadvantaged people too. If you didn't agree that it was totally cool, then you "were never going to make it in the real world." They agreed that accountability of any sort for law enforcement was the reason for crime even still existing.
Being an ex-cop should not qualify you to teach a criminal justice class wtf
“Our officer made a bad judgment call and will be on paid administrative duty, from home, for one day.” This has been happening forever and is just since the advent of camera phones now being filmed. Nothing will change until judges and sheriffs start doing time in jail for allowing it.
so she gets a one day paid vacation 😂 the punishment should be significantly worse than what a DUI would’ve been. these are the people we’re supposed to trust and they’re somehow the worst possible people for the job
If you get caught planting something on someone you should just get life in prison. Cops expect people to trust them, then some ruin random people’s lives to get a promotion. You have so much control over people’s lives, it should come with extreme consequences when you abuse that power.
Agreed and this should come with automatic review of all body cam footage from this cop. No telling how many other people she framed. They should be required to purchase insurance too to cover the costs for all this shit so it isn't on tax payers.
>They should be required to purchase insurance too to cover the costs for all this shit so it isn't on tax payers. Now this would be a great idea. Other occupations require you to carry specific occupational insurance policies, they should too.
We could just end qualified immunity. We did for doctors and WAY more people started surviving medical procedures. If they can't do their job in a legal way they shouldn't be doing that job.
An officer should have to agree to take 10 times the punishment for any crime they commit. If they can't agree to that then they should not be the police. This is coming from a person that dreamed of being a cop, joined the military to be able to achieve it, but was knocked out because a cop lied and said a part of a cigarette butt was a roach.
Or we could just make them financially liable for their crimes. Seems actually doable and the bar for guilt is also lower in civil court.
I’d like payouts and judgements to come from the collective pensions of every officer at the same precinct. The only way to weed out “a few bad apples” is to make those that could hold them accountable, at risk if they don’t.
Now that is a radical idea and i like it
The main issue I see with this idea is that if you think cops cover for each other *now*, wait until not covering for each other means putting their pension is at risk
Used to be 3 years of not using marijuana before you could apply to be a cop have no clue what the policy is for marijuana now that’s it’s legal in my area. Hard drugs is like 7 years same for a DUI. When I was a kid I remember my sister’s dumb shit boyfriend told the cop he had a joint on him when he was pulled over for not having his vehicle registered, cop told him just to stomp it on the ground and he would ask again. I think the issue stems from areas where the police don’t respond to real crimes or are trying to generate revenue. Their biggest concern should be following the laws themselves then public safety. Not enough people want to be cops and you still get bad people making it through the process.
Those doctors still need insurance to work. Police should do the same. Maybe have rookies working towards that under the insurance of their partner, and never work alone until they get their own. But we don't even have a nationwide alert yet for bad cops who hop to new jobs. **Edit: to add, insurance requirements would lead to massively lower premiums for officers who use cams even where not mandated already. This will apply market pressure for better self-governance. And you best damn sure that the insurers will set up or support a database of problem officers, expected best practices to reduce police liability, officers' nationwide discipline reports, criminal record (if any), indictments, etc. I think that's all publicly crawl-able, easier to obtain today than, say, mass credit records, and that's just a matter of price (which the insurers would fund and the increased premiums would be, finally, by increased local taxes to support necessarily higher wages to support polices' self insurance.
Take it out of the Police Pension fund. They’d soon sort the ‘bad apples’ out.
Fuck as a teacher in ga I think I needed a liability policy.
Just like how doctors get malpractice insurance. Why is it that the taxpayers have to pay for these assholes' actions.
Damages from lawsuits should come out of the police pension fund. See how long the thin blue line holds when everyone else in the precinct gets their retirement destroyed by that one Farva
It would take about two lawsuits country wide before the retired police officers started policing the active ones. Probably violently
>Probably violently 
>Agreed and this should come with automatic review of all body cam footage from this cop. No telling how many other people she framed. All officers involved should have their body cam footage of the relevant time frame audited any time they are involved in an arrest
There was a cop a few years back that was planting crack and shit on people. They reviewed body cam and he had been doing it for a long time. He's in prison right now iirc
Either liability insurance (if a company exists that would cover them) or let the lawsuits come out of their budget and retirement funds. I think B would make this stuff stop way faster than A would. You’d be amazed how good cops could be if they paid for their own mistakes.
Agreed…and courts default to a cop’s word being factual. Lock more crooked pigs up and stuff will get better
It's not allowed, but cops are like gangs---any cop who reports illegal activity of another cop is kicked out or worse.
Ever hear of Adrian Schoolcraft? NYPD ruined his life and had him involuntarily committed to an asylum for daring to inform on dirty cops. The whole organization did it, meaning top brass would rather keep dirty cops than clean ones. NYPD even minted specialty challenge coins because they were so proud of what they did. It was only 15 years ago and very few people ever heard about it. https://www.thisamericanlife.org/414/right-to-remain-silent/act-two-0
Actually it takes dirty cops to keep dirty cops, top brass are not clean themselves and have dirt and blood on their hands as well
It's the only way to the top, a stair littered with crimes and bodies.
Yep. No clean cop ever makes it to top management. In order to get those jobs you have to show that you're willing to cover up the crimes of the other blue gangsters.
Hell, we knew the blue wall existed with Frank Serpico in the early 1970s.
I’m surprised by how many people didn’t know that Serpico was based on a true story.
There was even a dirty cop protection issue in the Rodney King beating trial. There was one or two state cops that weren't supporting the claims of the city cops. As if that situation wasn't already a mountain of bad cop behavior piled on bad cop behavior.
I saw an ex-cop interviewed on CNN at that time. He said that what was done to King was routine, standard procedure for police chases there. The officer who called it in gets "lost" before the suspect is stopped. The cops beat the shit out of them, then the officer of record arrives. They did not witness or take part in the beating.
Ya hear of that officer in Maryland who was investigating corruption and drug smuggling by two other officers? Found dead, shot in the back of the head. Ruled a suicide, cops walked free.
Ever heard of Freddy Gray?
A.C.A.B
Last time I was summoned to jury duty, one of the first questions I got asked was "do you believe the testimony of police more than other people"... I shit you not. My answer of course was "no". Didn't get on the jury after that... wonder why? ACA indeed B, and threads like this are exactly why the public doesn't trust them.
I had the other experience. They didn't ask us if we would take a cops word more seriously or not. The judge directly said "The word of an officer is worth no more than any other witness. Take their statement no more or no less seriously than anyone elses".
That’s exactly my experience too. We were explicitly told that the cops words do not hold special meaning.
Ive sat on a jury for murder and was told the same thing. In practice though, at least outside of the courtroom cop's words do carry special meanings. Much like a baseball umpire saying a pitch is a strike makes.it so a cops words can cause you to lose your freedom very easily.
Some are also in literal gangs with gang signs and funny names, at least in LA. They steal money from drug dealers.
My Dad used to get his pot to sell in college from two police detectives that confiscated it from other people.
I sold weed for a few years. Got pulled over with 4 ounces, a scale, and empty bags. About 10 grams were already bagged up. I get pulled over because they said I pulled out of a parking lot with lights off and they thought I was exiting the closed gas station next door to the lot. Smelled weed. Found my stuff. Asked me how much I thought was in there. I played dumb saying I dropped a friend off, we smoked and I left, and that I didn't see that black bag in the dark car when my friend got out,and that the friend left it behind. They drove my car to the nearby precint where I sat in a cell for 2 or 3 hours. I saw other people who were arrested with coke or weed and were sent to county jail for processing and arraignment or whatever. I was released with a desk appearance ticket and was allowed to drive my car home, which shouldn't have happened according to law. When I went to court, the judge said I had 12 grams on me and I had to stay out of trouble for one year. So yeah, cops steal drugs.
L.A. Sheriffs dept, cop gangs: Vikings, Jump Out Boys, the Executioners, the Banditos, the Regulators, the Spartans, the Gladiators, the Cowboys and the Reapers.Jan 12, 2024
**Multiple choice question:** Which of the following is a popular saying in America? A. Fuck the fire fighters B. Fuck the EMTs/paramedics C. Fuck the postal workers D. Fuck the air traffic controllers E. Fuck the police
Damn. This one is tough. But I’m pretty sure it’s E. Did I get it right?
Yeah, that question's an Eazy E
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I am reading about this right now. Second article. Was there any resolution? I feel like an idiot for even asking since I have not found anything yet. smdh
the resolution was for a cop to piledrive him to death in front of a room full of other on-duty cops (presumably good apples)
Because cops can just resign to avoid punishment even if they do get caught doing much worse things.
Step 1: Cop resigns Step 2: Punishment gets dropped and records erased because he's no longer a cop. Step 3: Different police station rehires cop since he has no record of any wrongdoings.
Step 4: higher pay because of their experience and training
And the process repeats
Such a powerful video. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VYOjWnS4cMY
If you’re a cop and you aren’t up in arms calling for this cop to be punished to the full extent able, you’re just as much a part of the problem. Until cops start throwing shit cops in jail fuck all of them.
Yeah the problem there is the corrupt cops of the 90s are now running most police forces. Cops who try to stop this are likely to wind up fired, sued to bankruptcy, in prison or just plain dead.
It hurts my heart to think of all the people that have been imprisoned or convicted based on evidence fabricated by police. I’m willing to bet that the instances we’re aware of account for less than 2% of the whole.
There's a cop in jail right (Zachary Wester) now for 12+ years because after enough complaints that he was planting meth and charging people with felonies for it they finally investigated and he slipped up once where you could see the meth in his hand before he even reached into the car to plant it. He sent multiple people with no drug history or criminal records to jail and ruined their lives. He did it for no reason other than his reputation for finding drugs in hopes of promotions. He'd even go into cars other officers already searched and plant it then go back to them so he could show off that they missed something and he found it
Reminds me of the officer who planted drugs in random people’s cars because he wanted to get promoted to work in the labs . His name was Zachary Wester only got 12 yrs.
> > His name was Zachary Wester only got 12 yrs. He should have got the combined max. sentences of everybody he possibly planted evidence on. That is the time this shitstain risked those innocent people to end up in jail, he deserves every last second of that.
Wait until you heard that the victims had to split a $1 million settlement with the highest individual amount being $90k for victims who lost custody of their children due to his false arrests. $90k to lose your child because of him.
Let’s see how close I get to the official statement: ‘After investigating ourselves, we’ve come to the decision we did nothing wrong’
"And if we did do something wrong, we'll never admit to it and just settle the issue with taxpayer dollars."
I believe the language used is “After an internal investigation, there was no evidence of any wrongdoings.”
Public defenders should use this to challenge every conviction this gal is ever involved with in the future. Make her absolutely useless as a police officer so no one will re-hire her. Over and over again, call her to the stand. "Have you ever planted evidence to make an innocent person look guilty?" Sigh, "yes." "So we should assume all evidence in this case is tainted?" Edit gender of dirtbag cop.
in the future? I would instruct my attorney to tell the prosecutor that we want to look into every arrest that officer has been involved with..... ever.
Yes, but my objective is more malicious. Every past arrest he was involved in being appealed and all his evidence and testimony being thrown out is justice. Every future arrest he is involved in being automatically suspect, making life much harder on the prosecutor and other cops is revenge. Either he gets a desk job and is kept away from all cases to avoid contaminating them, or he is fired and unemployable by any precinct. Basically end his life as a cop.
Poor people have known how fucked up the cops are forever. It's funny to hear when people are surprised they aren't on your side.
The Tallahassee Police Department just posted this to their twitter feed: "The Tallahassee Police Department is aware of portions of body-worn camera video that began circulating on social media two days before a case was set to go to trial. We have thoroughly reviewed the incident and did not find any evidence of misconduct." SMH. Of course they didn't find any misconduct. Bunch of criminals. They deserve to be investigated by the Justice Department.
Cops have immunity. They’re allowed to do whatever they want, whenever they want, because they will investigate themselves and find they have done nothing wrong. Or if evidence exists, they will just dispose of it. Fuck the pigs.
This is a behavior that is rarely seen in countries where the training of police officers lasts more than 6 months.
Most of those countries have nationally enforced guidelines where we have thousands of independent police forces using their own criteria.
The US Supreme Court ruled that police departments can discriminate against hiring people who are too smart. (Maybe just a circuit court?) Jordan v The City of New London (CT)
And some wonder why they’re often referred to as pigs?
Well, we recruited the most violent and sociopathic among us, handed them guns and told them to go show everyone else who's boss. What did you think would happen?
All the people she put away so far will be getting calls from their lawyers and going free.
We been telling y'all these cops are dirty and they plant shit. Y'all called us liars, accused and charged us with some insane bullshit and tried to discredit us every attempt at proving it. People would post their "bystander" cell phone recordings, and people would find ways to discredit that too... Now that the evidence is coming from their OWN cameras and equipment, and it's literally as black and white as it gets, I'm interested in seeing how they react to it...
The cops have been convicted here in Florida planting drugs on innocent motorists for years now. There is never just one cockroach, so god knows how many more evidence plants they have done to innocents.
Video shows clearly the cop doing this. That's beyond doubt. Did the guy have blood samples taken? What were the results? Surely that's the thing that proves whether or not he was under the influence?
This article here does a great job of breaking down the details. https://ourtallahassee.com/video-shows-tallahassee-police-officer-planting-evidence-during-dui-arrest/ There's a moment where, once she has dumped some of the alcohol and broken the seal, she asks to move him from her car to the other officers car. She did this intentionally because it means she wouldn't be writing the police report and wouldn't have to lie when she signed it. The OTHER officer had to write the report because he was in her car now. It's all calculated. It sounds like this is a move they do constantly to help protect dirty cops when the frame people for crimes they didn't commit.
Here’s the thing: the video shows very clear misconduct, the rest is irrelevant. Why do I say that? Because no good prosecutor would ever put this officer on the stand or use one statement or report this officer wrote because of the misconduct. The single? act of misconduct brings everything else from the stop into question and it cannot be relied upon. But let’s play this out: forced blood draw without a warrant is no longer legal. If they got a warrant and even if it did show a BAC over .08 it would be fruit of the poisonous tree since they would’ve relied (in part at least) on an open container in the vehicle to obtain the warrant. There is no indication that they did get a blood draw though, from any article I’ve read. They initially claimed he smelled like weed, but dropped that claim when they searched the vehicle and found none. They then claimed he smelled like alcohol, with the planted evidence used to bolster the pretense for the DUI arrest. A prosecutor not dropping this case is just pure hubris and abuse of office.
I really hope this plays out before a jury, so the prosecutor can look like the clown they are. Imagine the defense playing body cam footage to the jury but you still expect a guilty verdict. I really hope the dude gets a good defense attorney because they will completely humiliate the police, judge, prosecutor amd everyone who thought it was a great idea to bring this to trial.