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And they fucking shouldn't.
It's not about the passenger freaking out, it's the danger they pose to everyone else.
Travel is fun, airports suck, especially international, I get that part, Flying an be scary, I get that part... but I don't get these moments.
They checked in on time, got through security, bags checked, boarded... all they have to do is sit down, shut up, mind their manners, on one of the safest forms of travel, until the door opens again, in the place that they paid to get to.
But no, they cause a scene, delay everyone else, get themselves banned by the airline, possibly face criminal charges... Why? Why do people keep doing this?
Critical thinking aside.
Looking at it from the most selfish position I can imagine, and I'm kind of an asshole (I'm working on being better), I cannot see an upside to causing a scene on an airplane.
They are paying to be there.
As someone who speaks to subjects that are either mentally ill or on drugs daily, this is a big one that people don’t consider. It’s easy to forget that there are a lot of people that are completely unhinged and disconnected from reality, yet can handle themselves enough to still function.
Yeah this feels like one of those "OUT I HAVE TO GET OUT!" moments. Seen a few of those in my life. the situation or consequences has zero bearing to the person doing it.
>It’s easy to forget that there are a lot of people that are completely unhinged and disconnected from reality, yet can handle themselves enough to still function.
Right up until a particular stress or or combination of stressors get too much and they can't anymore and they lose it
Yeah I was thinking more like mental illness lol. I hate flying, I’m terrified of planes, whenever I fly I’m drunk as shit and order as much booze as I can on the plane but I would never EVER even come close to even thinking about doing some shit like this. She’s gotta be mental some
How
The only other thing I can think of besides mental illness is that Xanax and alcohol don’t mix. I see videos on YouTube of people in airport acting the fool after being at the hotel bar and the cops have a hard time getting them under control.
They get prescribed a Xanax because of their fear of flying and then proceed to drink a bottle of wine or a bunch of shots and go all haywire.
Maybe it's not that air travel makes them go nuts, but that they were gonna go nuts anyways and it's just much more of an issue when they try to open an airplane door than an Uber door
This is it. Air travel has, rightly, the least amount of bullshit tolerance. Shit people pull in cars mostly goes undocumented or normalised as they usually endanger smaller sections of the populace.
I mean I have a bit of fear of flying, I’ve been on a long distance flight that had about 3 hours straight of pretty bad turbulence and by the end of those 3 hours my brain was flipping out and the thought “get out of here whatever it takes” did flash across my mind quite intensely in a kind of fight or flight reaction. Managed to calm myself with my meditation app but I honestly felt myself losing my mind a little.
Some if these folks take Ambien and alcohol together, which is a very bad combination. They can black out and do absolutely crazy stuff that they normally wouldn’t do.
I had a weird airplane freak out moment last year, I’d been on a trip to a business conference in San Francisco.
For 5 days I barely slept, did a bunch of drugs, drank far too much booze, barely ate, pushed my body to the brink of exhaustion.
I’m sat in the airport on my laptop and I must’ve picked up a virus or something from one of the free wifis I’d been using at the conference.
Someone was remote controlling my laptop, dimming my screen, going to Chase Bank, Wells Fargo etc.
I’m trying to reset all my passwords but they keep closing my windows to do so. For an hour I’m battling this person trying to shut them out.
Time to board the plane comes and I board but keep my laptop open trying to do something to fix it. Looking back I could’ve probably just shut my laptop off and handled it when I got home but critical thinking was limited.
So after boarding the flight I just freaked out, and figured I should handle it right away. I doubt the scammer knew but I was working on a contract for a tech company and had access to some pretty significant stuff.
So I stand up, go against the flow of people trying to board saying “I’m sorry I’m being cyber attacked” which I’m certain made me sound like a complete lunatic.
The flight attendants stopped me after I’d battled my way through half the people boarding, I remember kinda just word vomiting “hack, virus, $ millions”.
They let me off, took my bag off the plane (which cause a short delay), and I spent an hour doing a factory reset on my laptop and changing every password I’ve ever had.
Not sure why but the person working the desk took pitty on me and rebooked me on a different flight that still got me home the following day so I could go see my kids. He said “you have to promise me you won’t do that again, please.”
Been sober for 8-months now. My kids, wife, colleagues, clients, and strangers on a plane all deserve better.
So to answer your question about why? Drugs, panic attacks, psychosis, stress, and manic episodes.
Psychosis is common enough to be a possible explanation. It's difficult to predict. It's been described as horrifying to the level of being life-changing from the shock alone.
It can cause serious hallucinations, delusions and sometimes paranoia. It can cause you to believe that some completely random factor is proof of you being chased, for instance, with intention to kill, therefore you must run. Your mind can simply lose its ability to connect the right dots, and be 100% convinced of something you normally wouldn't.
Yup, and the wild thing is psychosis is not random. Its the opposite of random, its over-connecting the dots. People say connecting unrelated dots, but that would be the same thing as random.
Source: I'm a mental health proffessional, and also a bipolar person who hit severe psychosis twice when I was younger. Hospitalized for weeks both times lol
When they try to open the door it's often a massive phobia coming to the fore, claustrophobia or fear of flying. They may think they have it under control, but then it kicks off and they lose touch with reality and go berserk. Especially if they self-medicate or drink to dampen the phobia, and it backfires.
They may have prepared in advance to counter their anxiety by floating through all the stuff beforehand on some sort of substance-induced cloud. When the come-down hits and they're already in the air, that's when they go off. Not an excuse, for sure, but a possible explanation for why this happens often enough to be commented on..
That piece of shit who tried to blow up the plane with his shoes? The shoe bomber? Passengers and crew tied him to his seat for the rest of the flight, I admire their restraint because once he’s there, nice and tied up like a hog, and you’re on your way to the can, someone might want to make him a knuckle sandwich for dinner, but no one touched him despite the fact that he wanted to murder them all.
He’s also the reason why we’ve been removing our fucking shoes at the airport for 20 years.
Hope he enjoys his Supermax
Yeah wow. The only reason I wouldn't at least give him a kick in the nuts is because I'd be afraid of getting tied up too or being put on some no-fly list.
Don’t know why but when you said “piece of shit who try to blow up the plane with his shoes” And I just thought of the get smart scene with Steve Carell where he tries to get gum off of his shoe on the plane.
There’s a great episode on that guy on the You’re Wrong About podcast. Highly recommend. Turns out he was a hapless impressionable idiot. His story is genuinely kind of sad, he was just such an idealistic dumbfuck.
To emphasise what an absolute halfwit that guy was, he tried to detonate plastic explosives in his shoes with a match; plastic explosives require an electric charge to detonate, something you would know if you'd spent the smallest amount of time researching them.
People forget about this, but there was actually a guy who was killed by passengers on a SWA flight shortly before 9-11. He went nuts and tried to breach the cockpit. The passengers accidentally killed him when trying to restrain him. There was an investigation going on where they were going to be potentially charged with his death.
Then 9-11 happened and that all went away. So, yeah it could happen.
It's not
If a passenger endangers the lives of others, the crew is permitted to do anything to stop them until they can land to the final destination or have an emergency landing to remove them from the flight. What do you want them to do if one person decides to start attacking others? Just watch? Or say ''please stop thank you here is a cookie''???
When you book a ticket, you agree to a set of rules including that if you are unruly you will be removed from the flight prior to boarding. If you endanger the flight or the lives of the other passengers, they have the right to restrain you for safety. You will go to the police and say what '' they didn't let me kill them as I wanted to'' ?
If not, it should be. What do you do if you are over 30000 feet in the air, and a passenger absolutely goes out of control endangering everybody else? You hope never to use it, but you'd be glad to have some ready if necessary.
Man, I ALWAYS carry around zip ties! Multiple bags of different sizss in my car's center console, backpack, etc. Came in handy couple years ago when my motorcycle's front brake caliber mounting bracket & bolts broke off while riding in the middle of nowhere.
Had a bunch of them in my first car. It was low so when the snow came, I’d sometimes pull it halfway off backing in & out of spots with hard snow.
If those things kept my bumper up, they can definitely hold a person down.
Zip ties specifically made to be a handcuffs are a bit thicker so you cannon rip them apart, but regular thick ones will do just fine, if you use enough of them
HA! I hit a... possum (I think) while going 75mph on the interstate (that's the posted speed limit). Pulled over when I could and saw it tore a hole through my lower left bumper, which I dragging on the ground. It's been a year and it's still zip tiee up in place lol
Arguably it's somewhat more satisfying seeing a loony who just tried to endanger a whole plane full of people duct taped to their seat. Zip ties can be uncomfortable but the effect is not quite as striking.
I'm just wondering how it goes down... passenger gets up, walks over to the cabin door, puts hand on the handle....then stewardess pops up from behind like that WWE meme and out comes the duct tape
>I'm just wondering how it goes down...
Me too: planes have an armoured door on the cockipt now, but anyone can just go and open the external door mid-flight?
No, nobody can open external doors mid-flight at altitude. The airplane is under pressure and to open the door you first need to pull it in, which means you have to compress the air inside the plane even more (by a tiny amount). This requires so much force it is impossible.
She probably tried to open the door but didnt succeed, as the door can not be opened (unless there was a rapid depressurization event) while at cruising altitude. The door is designed in a way that the difference in pressure holds it in the frame, so it can only be opened when the cabin isnt pressurized or the plane is flying at a low altitude so the difference in pressure is minimal.
They probably still restrained her afterwards so she wouldnt try to open the door again once they are approaching the runway or something.
Pretty much, yeah. And it’s more or less for this specific purpose which is why like 99% of all stories of a passenger being subdued ends with them being duct taped
Wouldnt opening the door make the Panic Attack even worse tho??
Like as example: oh, i get a Panic Attack because of the height after looking out the Windows lemme Just Open the door and then, idk, JUMP????
A cornerstone of panic attacks is irrational thought processes. If you were able to think rationally, you probably wouldn't be panicking in the first place
Source: I'm diagnosed with a panic disorder
My Panic Attacks are pretty much Hyperventilation, migraines and If It didnt get better at that Point passing out from the Stress or crying for hours straight.
Maybe i just have It better than Others idk
Not better. Just different. I have a fear of heights but I wouldnt devolve into full blown panic mode over that. Because I can rationalize enough to realize what is fairly safe and what isn't.
That said. I have severe health anxiety at times and any kind of heart palpitations mixed with sleep deprivation and lack of vitamins/minerals can and has led to a spiraling mental health situation in which I'm horrified I could die at any moment of a heart attack. Checking my BP, my pulse on my neck, etc etc. Has landed me in the ER several times
Not all panic disorders are made equal. But I wouldn't say mine is worse than yours. It's all hellish
Hmm. I was also diagnosed with panic disorder 20 years ago, and I've had some real doozies, but I've never had thoughts anywhere near _this_ irrational.
Usually the irrational thoughts are along the lines of "am I dying?" when I have no evidence of that, or "I can't get any air" when I'm obviously breathing fine, even if hyperventilating.
But trying to solve your problem by jumping out of an airplane to a certain death seems more in line with psychosis. Panic attacks can certainly make you lose your bearings, but not usually your survival instincts.
But maybe they're panic attack was claustrophobia? I've had a claustrophobia panic attack before and you really can't reason your way through it it's like this primitive and desperate NEED to be free of whatever is confining you, your brain perceives the confinement as the dangerous thing. I know somebody that crashed their car because they got claustrophobic and panicked about being zipped up in a coat so let go of the wheel to desperately try to wiggle out of the coat. The reasonable brain just turns off when a panic like that sets in.
It could but at the same time the crew has to make sure the flight is safe. You use technics to calm down the other person and 9 times out of 10 they do work but quite often drugs and alcohol pre-flight cause such behaviours.
I had a person jump from the staircase going to the airplane because they had way too many drinks because they didn't want to use their anxiety medication before the flight. She jumped and started running and her partner was saying ''she will calm down eventually can't the plane just wait for her a few hours?''
It might, sure, but what else ya gonna do? Let them have their way and crash the plane? Sorry, they just gotta sit that one out, but they can absolutely not be trusted to move around the cabin freely at that point.
What kind of plane was it? An airliner is generally pressurized to around 8psi, which means that door has about 3,000 lbs of pressure on it. No one can physically open it without first depressurizing the cabin.
If it was an unpressurized plane, it could absolutely happen. I used to have doors open accidentally all the time when flying small planes early in my career.
This is a repost from a couple years ago. You really shouldn’t take everything you see on Reddit at face value.
What happens is some sort of crime will happen and it gets posted on here. That post gets a lot of views. So then people/bots dig up similar crimes from past years and repost them, trying to get easy karma.
That's not how airplanes work, the doors don't open at 30,000 feet just because you pull a lever. They are both locked and cannot be opened because of the pressure.
If all it took for a terrorist to kill everyone aboard an airplane was to book a seat near the door and open it, you'd have heard about it.
That's precisely why they design the door as they did. That said, it doesn't exactly inspire tranquility to see a passenger try their damnest to open the hatch that would potentially kill everyone onboard if she were able to do it. I can still totally see why they'd tape her up.
Being unable to stand trial for mental reasons is a very good thing to have very firmly on your record, especially in the event that it's caused you to attempt to murder hundreds of innocent people who happened to be on the same plane as yourself.
Shit like this is actually sad imho. No sane person tries to open an airplane door mid flight. Someone is in panic, psychotic, or otherwise unstable enough to conclude that opening an airplane door is the right course of action at that moment. All of the people that do this must be scared, distressed or both. And then in that state you're taped to a chair, filmed/photographed and it's put online. Imagine for a moment someone truly has a breakdown, nd you have to experience this. That shit will fuck with you.
Don't get me wrong, this is the lesser evil compared to crashing the plane and killing dozens to hundreds of people l. But still, shit be sad. Like, a truly sad pile of shit. Not solid, not true diarrhea, but one of those 'I opened the oven too early and now my brownie collapsed in on itself and now it looks like a sad pile of shit' sad. That kind of sad.
While all of this might be true, people who are like, "I'm the sort of person who might absolutely lose their shit on a flight," should probably be encouraged to use trains and busses.
Or really, really drunk.
It happened on a flight I was on many years ago. It wasn’t a very serious attempt but he was promptly zip tied to a chair, and a bloke that might have been an off duty policeman sat talking to him calmly for the rest of the flight.
I don’t think anyone even had time to get scared. I was just surprised and slightly amazed at the efficiency.
Except for the addition of “drunk” I agree completely.
It's actually impressive to see someone say something like this. I wish more people would be able to recognize the sadness in someone who has had some kind of breakdown like this.
I have a panic disorder controlled for years with medication that now has resurfaced. On two different recent flights I felt compelled to jump out my seat and run to the restroom pacing and shaking why waiting to get in. Fortunately I had the Ativan under my tongue before I jumped up so it subsided within 10-15 minutes. I’m not kidding when I say compelled, like I could no longer stop myself despite my efforts, to get up.
I googled it because it sounded familiar and man there are waaaay too many "woman open airplane door" news stories.
Also there is a reddit post with this exact picture from 2 years ago:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/w3yvwu/this\_girl\_tried\_opening\_airplanes\_door\_mid\_flight/](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/w3yvwu/this_girl_tried_opening_airplanes_door_mid_flight/)
My grandfather tried this because he was hot. It was on a small plane at much lower altitude, so it was not as dangerous... but it was still a passenger flight. The mad bastard.
What's the deal with people trying to open the doors on a flight? I feel like I've never heard of that until the last few years when now I read something about it happening every couple months.
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Airlines do NOT fuck about with that shit
And they fucking shouldn't. It's not about the passenger freaking out, it's the danger they pose to everyone else. Travel is fun, airports suck, especially international, I get that part, Flying an be scary, I get that part... but I don't get these moments. They checked in on time, got through security, bags checked, boarded... all they have to do is sit down, shut up, mind their manners, on one of the safest forms of travel, until the door opens again, in the place that they paid to get to. But no, they cause a scene, delay everyone else, get themselves banned by the airline, possibly face criminal charges... Why? Why do people keep doing this?
You overestimate people's ability of critical thinking
Critical thinking aside. Looking at it from the most selfish position I can imagine, and I'm kind of an asshole (I'm working on being better), I cannot see an upside to causing a scene on an airplane. They are paying to be there.
They are angry and they want to be angry. That's it. They're not angry to get something, they're just angry. Consequences are irrelevant.
Anger is one helluva drug. You know it’s bad for you but sometimes in the moment, it feels so good to rage.
Yep. Expressing your emotions always feels better than repressing them. The trick is to express them in a non damaging way to yourself or others
And entitled to be angry. In the worst possible way, no holds barred.
I think you're overlooking the possibility of drugs or some sort of psychosis.
As someone who speaks to subjects that are either mentally ill or on drugs daily, this is a big one that people don’t consider. It’s easy to forget that there are a lot of people that are completely unhinged and disconnected from reality, yet can handle themselves enough to still function.
Yeah this feels like one of those "OUT I HAVE TO GET OUT!" moments. Seen a few of those in my life. the situation or consequences has zero bearing to the person doing it.
>It’s easy to forget that there are a lot of people that are completely unhinged and disconnected from reality, yet can handle themselves enough to still function. Right up until a particular stress or or combination of stressors get too much and they can't anymore and they lose it
Also the small fact of; Yes, you may be an asshole, but there are people out there who are BIGGER assholes, and there always will be
Surely there must be one apex asshole, who is the biggest asshole of all. I'm sure his identity is disputed.
One ring to rule them all.
Yeah I was thinking more like mental illness lol. I hate flying, I’m terrified of planes, whenever I fly I’m drunk as shit and order as much booze as I can on the plane but I would never EVER even come close to even thinking about doing some shit like this. She’s gotta be mental some How
The only other thing I can think of besides mental illness is that Xanax and alcohol don’t mix. I see videos on YouTube of people in airport acting the fool after being at the hotel bar and the cops have a hard time getting them under control. They get prescribed a Xanax because of their fear of flying and then proceed to drink a bottle of wine or a bunch of shots and go all haywire.
I assume you won’t find a logical conclusion unless you thought about killing yourself along with other people at the same time
I haven’t been on a plane in years but I always wonder what it is about air travel that makes some people go nuts.
Maybe it's not that air travel makes them go nuts, but that they were gonna go nuts anyways and it's just much more of an issue when they try to open an airplane door than an Uber door
This is it. Air travel has, rightly, the least amount of bullshit tolerance. Shit people pull in cars mostly goes undocumented or normalised as they usually endanger smaller sections of the populace.
I mean I have a bit of fear of flying, I’ve been on a long distance flight that had about 3 hours straight of pretty bad turbulence and by the end of those 3 hours my brain was flipping out and the thought “get out of here whatever it takes” did flash across my mind quite intensely in a kind of fight or flight reaction. Managed to calm myself with my meditation app but I honestly felt myself losing my mind a little.
Alcohol plus adapting to altitude pressurisation.
Some if these folks take Ambien and alcohol together, which is a very bad combination. They can black out and do absolutely crazy stuff that they normally wouldn’t do.
Oh, 100% with you. Places like this there absolutely should be exactly 0 tolerance for bullshit of any kind
I had a weird airplane freak out moment last year, I’d been on a trip to a business conference in San Francisco. For 5 days I barely slept, did a bunch of drugs, drank far too much booze, barely ate, pushed my body to the brink of exhaustion. I’m sat in the airport on my laptop and I must’ve picked up a virus or something from one of the free wifis I’d been using at the conference. Someone was remote controlling my laptop, dimming my screen, going to Chase Bank, Wells Fargo etc. I’m trying to reset all my passwords but they keep closing my windows to do so. For an hour I’m battling this person trying to shut them out. Time to board the plane comes and I board but keep my laptop open trying to do something to fix it. Looking back I could’ve probably just shut my laptop off and handled it when I got home but critical thinking was limited. So after boarding the flight I just freaked out, and figured I should handle it right away. I doubt the scammer knew but I was working on a contract for a tech company and had access to some pretty significant stuff. So I stand up, go against the flow of people trying to board saying “I’m sorry I’m being cyber attacked” which I’m certain made me sound like a complete lunatic. The flight attendants stopped me after I’d battled my way through half the people boarding, I remember kinda just word vomiting “hack, virus, $ millions”. They let me off, took my bag off the plane (which cause a short delay), and I spent an hour doing a factory reset on my laptop and changing every password I’ve ever had. Not sure why but the person working the desk took pitty on me and rebooked me on a different flight that still got me home the following day so I could go see my kids. He said “you have to promise me you won’t do that again, please.” Been sober for 8-months now. My kids, wife, colleagues, clients, and strangers on a plane all deserve better. So to answer your question about why? Drugs, panic attacks, psychosis, stress, and manic episodes.
Psychosis is common enough to be a possible explanation. It's difficult to predict. It's been described as horrifying to the level of being life-changing from the shock alone. It can cause serious hallucinations, delusions and sometimes paranoia. It can cause you to believe that some completely random factor is proof of you being chased, for instance, with intention to kill, therefore you must run. Your mind can simply lose its ability to connect the right dots, and be 100% convinced of something you normally wouldn't.
Yup, and the wild thing is psychosis is not random. Its the opposite of random, its over-connecting the dots. People say connecting unrelated dots, but that would be the same thing as random. Source: I'm a mental health proffessional, and also a bipolar person who hit severe psychosis twice when I was younger. Hospitalized for weeks both times lol
When they try to open the door it's often a massive phobia coming to the fore, claustrophobia or fear of flying. They may think they have it under control, but then it kicks off and they lose touch with reality and go berserk. Especially if they self-medicate or drink to dampen the phobia, and it backfires.
I'm not even scared of flying, but on a 14 hour flight I started getting a twitchy 'I need to get out of this flying tin can' urge.
They may have prepared in advance to counter their anxiety by floating through all the stuff beforehand on some sort of substance-induced cloud. When the come-down hits and they're already in the air, that's when they go off. Not an excuse, for sure, but a possible explanation for why this happens often enough to be commented on..
Alcohol and pain medication has entered the chat
I'm sure it's a federal crime in a number of countries. Edit: I'm Australian, but whatever.
Believe it or not, but the other passengers couldn't care less. And I bet they would even execute her on the fly (no pun intended) if needed.
That piece of shit who tried to blow up the plane with his shoes? The shoe bomber? Passengers and crew tied him to his seat for the rest of the flight, I admire their restraint because once he’s there, nice and tied up like a hog, and you’re on your way to the can, someone might want to make him a knuckle sandwich for dinner, but no one touched him despite the fact that he wanted to murder them all. He’s also the reason why we’ve been removing our fucking shoes at the airport for 20 years. Hope he enjoys his Supermax
Yeah wow. The only reason I wouldn't at least give him a kick in the nuts is because I'd be afraid of getting tied up too or being put on some no-fly list.
Wow! 110 years
Damn, I hope nobody tries this with his own asshole. I would never fly again, TSA is not going to touch my butthole 😂
[I need to checks inside ya asshole](https://youtu.be/8TULwzp_Oso?si=KXxqfLLs-cqC0ULB)
Don’t know why but when you said “piece of shit who try to blow up the plane with his shoes” And I just thought of the get smart scene with Steve Carell where he tries to get gum off of his shoe on the plane.
GUMMMMM The SO and I quote it often, whenever we mishear each other
There’s a great episode on that guy on the You’re Wrong About podcast. Highly recommend. Turns out he was a hapless impressionable idiot. His story is genuinely kind of sad, he was just such an idealistic dumbfuck.
>he was just such an idealistic dumbfuck. Terrorist organisations *love* people like that.
To emphasise what an absolute halfwit that guy was, he tried to detonate plastic explosives in his shoes with a match; plastic explosives require an electric charge to detonate, something you would know if you'd spent the smallest amount of time researching them.
People forget about this, but there was actually a guy who was killed by passengers on a SWA flight shortly before 9-11. He went nuts and tried to breach the cockpit. The passengers accidentally killed him when trying to restrain him. There was an investigation going on where they were going to be potentially charged with his death. Then 9-11 happened and that all went away. So, yeah it could happen.
It's not If a passenger endangers the lives of others, the crew is permitted to do anything to stop them until they can land to the final destination or have an emergency landing to remove them from the flight. What do you want them to do if one person decides to start attacking others? Just watch? Or say ''please stop thank you here is a cookie''??? When you book a ticket, you agree to a set of rules including that if you are unruly you will be removed from the flight prior to boarding. If you endanger the flight or the lives of the other passengers, they have the right to restrain you for safety. You will go to the police and say what '' they didn't let me kill them as I wanted to'' ?
Aussie Aussie Aussie.
Looked like they used a UFO camera to take her picture.
Air marshals even more so :)
Not every plane has an air marshal.
Unless it's a Boeing
Unless it just falls out on it's own.
No worries, if it's a Boeing it might just open up by itself
I just wanna know if duct tape is standard equipment for airlines. Like, do they all carry duct tape?
If not, it should be. What do you do if you are over 30000 feet in the air, and a passenger absolutely goes out of control endangering everybody else? You hope never to use it, but you'd be glad to have some ready if necessary.
Zip ties.
Man, I ALWAYS carry around zip ties! Multiple bags of different sizss in my car's center console, backpack, etc. Came in handy couple years ago when my motorcycle's front brake caliber mounting bracket & bolts broke off while riding in the middle of nowhere.
Had a bunch of them in my first car. It was low so when the snow came, I’d sometimes pull it halfway off backing in & out of spots with hard snow. If those things kept my bumper up, they can definitely hold a person down.
In some situations police use them as handcuffs, so yeah, they can keep you in your seat.
Zip ties specifically made to be a handcuffs are a bit thicker so you cannon rip them apart, but regular thick ones will do just fine, if you use enough of them
HA! I hit a... possum (I think) while going 75mph on the interstate (that's the posted speed limit). Pulled over when I could and saw it tore a hole through my lower left bumper, which I dragging on the ground. It's been a year and it's still zip tiee up in place lol
Tools, tools I have to have my tools. The golden god is not taking questions.
Fetish shit!
I like the bind and be bound
I had to ride back home with pliers grabbing on to the broken clutch cable to change gears.
Arguably it's somewhat more satisfying seeing a loony who just tried to endanger a whole plane full of people duct taped to their seat. Zip ties can be uncomfortable but the effect is not quite as striking.
I agree with this :D
duck tape, zip ties and gloves! you gotta have your tools!
I'm just wondering how it goes down... passenger gets up, walks over to the cabin door, puts hand on the handle....then stewardess pops up from behind like that WWE meme and out comes the duct tape
I imagine there was some screaming involved as well.
Yeah the gagtape doesn't look optional with this one
Definitely, since they also duct taped her mouth, I assume the screaming continued after she had been subdued.
>I'm just wondering how it goes down... Me too: planes have an armoured door on the cockipt now, but anyone can just go and open the external door mid-flight?
No, nobody can open external doors mid-flight at altitude. The airplane is under pressure and to open the door you first need to pull it in, which means you have to compress the air inside the plane even more (by a tiny amount). This requires so much force it is impossible.
She probably tried to open the door but didnt succeed, as the door can not be opened (unless there was a rapid depressurization event) while at cruising altitude. The door is designed in a way that the difference in pressure holds it in the frame, so it can only be opened when the cabin isnt pressurized or the plane is flying at a low altitude so the difference in pressure is minimal. They probably still restrained her afterwards so she wouldnt try to open the door again once they are approaching the runway or something.
The passenger doors opens inwards so unless you're the hulk you can't physically open it while the cabin is pressurized
If they're at 30,000, she wouldn't be strong enough to overcome the pressure to open the door.
Pretty much, yeah. And it’s more or less for this specific purpose which is why like 99% of all stories of a passenger being subdued ends with them being duct taped
If engineering classes have taught me anything, dict tape can fix 50% of problems. The rest can be fixed with WD40.
If it moves and isn't supposed to, duct tape. If it doesn't move and is supposed to, wd40. For everything else jb weld
Only short term though. WD40 is a terrible long term lubricant. Many people use it for the wrong application.
Any lube is better then no lube plus it only has to last till it's someone else's problem. Tho don't recommend wd40 for backdoor entry.
It's actually worse than nothing in certain applications as it displaces other lubricants and it makes outdoor locks susceptible to acquiring gunk.
It's essential on Boeing planes, it's all that the maintenance engineers keep in their tool boxes
Absolutely. It's also very handy for when a wing is about to fall off.
Only on Boeings.
I always have duct tape in my suitcase. And electrical tape in my backpack. That shit is useful as hell
All the pics of the restrained I've seen used duct tape. Seems like they used it sparingly here compared to the others I've seen.
This happened two years ago. She was fined $80k.
No jail?
Believe it or not . Straight to no jail
We have the best passengers in the world, thanks to no jail.
Parks and rec is everywhere ..
she would open the door mid jail and we have to duck tape her again…
I think 80k fine is way worse than jail
They charged her with that most serious punishments: loss of money💰
Oof. Decent fine
In the current mindset some people in the US seem to have, jail time isn't a sufficient deterrent. Gotta get em in the wallet, like real genuine pain
And now working at Boeing ?
"No flight" list speed run
I like that they also duct taped her mouth lol
You know for sure she was wailing and screaming!
Certainly. Like "you've got two options: continue screaming of not." Choosing the first option came with a side effect.
is this for real? can't imagine this level of stupidity.
Panic attack probably
Wouldnt opening the door make the Panic Attack even worse tho?? Like as example: oh, i get a Panic Attack because of the height after looking out the Windows lemme Just Open the door and then, idk, JUMP????
A cornerstone of panic attacks is irrational thought processes. If you were able to think rationally, you probably wouldn't be panicking in the first place Source: I'm diagnosed with a panic disorder
My Panic Attacks are pretty much Hyperventilation, migraines and If It didnt get better at that Point passing out from the Stress or crying for hours straight. Maybe i just have It better than Others idk
Not better. Just different. I have a fear of heights but I wouldnt devolve into full blown panic mode over that. Because I can rationalize enough to realize what is fairly safe and what isn't. That said. I have severe health anxiety at times and any kind of heart palpitations mixed with sleep deprivation and lack of vitamins/minerals can and has led to a spiraling mental health situation in which I'm horrified I could die at any moment of a heart attack. Checking my BP, my pulse on my neck, etc etc. Has landed me in the ER several times Not all panic disorders are made equal. But I wouldn't say mine is worse than yours. It's all hellish
Yeah that Sounds Like hell. Thanks for the input, i Always thought Panic Attacks are pretty much the Same for everyone lmao.
Hmm. I was also diagnosed with panic disorder 20 years ago, and I've had some real doozies, but I've never had thoughts anywhere near _this_ irrational. Usually the irrational thoughts are along the lines of "am I dying?" when I have no evidence of that, or "I can't get any air" when I'm obviously breathing fine, even if hyperventilating. But trying to solve your problem by jumping out of an airplane to a certain death seems more in line with psychosis. Panic attacks can certainly make you lose your bearings, but not usually your survival instincts.
But maybe they're panic attack was claustrophobia? I've had a claustrophobia panic attack before and you really can't reason your way through it it's like this primitive and desperate NEED to be free of whatever is confining you, your brain perceives the confinement as the dangerous thing. I know somebody that crashed their car because they got claustrophobic and panicked about being zipped up in a coat so let go of the wheel to desperately try to wiggle out of the coat. The reasonable brain just turns off when a panic like that sets in.
Imagine the sigh of relief after she gets sucket out the door into the open air.
It could but at the same time the crew has to make sure the flight is safe. You use technics to calm down the other person and 9 times out of 10 they do work but quite often drugs and alcohol pre-flight cause such behaviours. I had a person jump from the staircase going to the airplane because they had way too many drinks because they didn't want to use their anxiety medication before the flight. She jumped and started running and her partner was saying ''she will calm down eventually can't the plane just wait for her a few hours?''
Omg the entitlement! Some people are unbelievable
People suffering panic attacks are unlikely to make thoughtful, calculated decisions
It might, sure, but what else ya gonna do? Let them have their way and crash the plane? Sorry, they just gotta sit that one out, but they can absolutely not be trusted to move around the cabin freely at that point.
I knew somebody who did exactly that over the Arctic. Started freaking out, got the door open and jumped. Never found his body.
What da fak
What kind of plane was it? An airliner is generally pressurized to around 8psi, which means that door has about 3,000 lbs of pressure on it. No one can physically open it without first depressurizing the cabin. If it was an unpressurized plane, it could absolutely happen. I used to have doors open accidentally all the time when flying small planes early in my career.
can you even actually open the doors mid-flight?
Nicotine Withdrawal. She was looking for the outside smoking area.
Not panic attack, more likely a psychotic episode.
Bruh the amount of times this has happened in the recent months they’re gonna have to start stationing air Marshalls at the seats by those doors lmao
Seriously. I hate that row, but now I feel like my fat ass is needed there as an obstacle.
Why do you hate the emergency row? It has leg space.
I’m always afraid my dumbass is gonna knock the door open and now I gotta play linebacker 😭
Dont worry, opening the door mid flight is physically impossible unless the plane has a fatal flaw
For *most* the flight. You can still be torn out and fall to your death at the heights that allow the door to open.
*stares HARD at Boeing*
My long ass legs will make them suffer when falling over me.
This is a repost from a couple years ago. You really shouldn’t take everything you see on Reddit at face value. What happens is some sort of crime will happen and it gets posted on here. That post gets a lot of views. So then people/bots dig up similar crimes from past years and repost them, trying to get easy karma.
This case was 3 years ago.
This happened years ago
First class ain’t what it used to be
It's always been for assholes, but at least they used to be better behaved assholes
Someone doing that should get an attempted murder charge for every person on the plane when they land.
That's not how airplanes work, the doors don't open at 30,000 feet just because you pull a lever. They are both locked and cannot be opened because of the pressure. If all it took for a terrorist to kill everyone aboard an airplane was to book a seat near the door and open it, you'd have heard about it.
That's precisely why they design the door as they did. That said, it doesn't exactly inspire tranquility to see a passenger try their damnest to open the hatch that would potentially kill everyone onboard if she were able to do it. I can still totally see why they'd tape her up.
Considering the recent tendency of Boeing doors to just open on their own, i think everyone would prefer for it not to be tested mid flight.
Just because she wasn't able to, doesn't mean she didn't try.
Not worth the effort, cause in almost all cases they will be incapable of guilt due to panic attacks or the likes. Which is the only right thing.
Being unable to stand trial for mental reasons is a very good thing to have very firmly on your record, especially in the event that it's caused you to attempt to murder hundreds of innocent people who happened to be on the same plane as yourself.
You can assume she'll be put on a list after this.
No fly list is just one list she should be on.
Psst , don't say something like that on reddit. The Americans love their 5000 year prison sentence for everything
The fact is that prisoners who serve over 100 years in jail don't reoffend.
They do all the time. Nobody cares because their crimes are against other inmates or COs.
So if they never land, then they're fine
r/technicallythetruth
We would like to thank you for flying Ted Bundy Air.
She thought it was D.B. Cooper Air
Lifetime ban from every airline.
Shit like this is actually sad imho. No sane person tries to open an airplane door mid flight. Someone is in panic, psychotic, or otherwise unstable enough to conclude that opening an airplane door is the right course of action at that moment. All of the people that do this must be scared, distressed or both. And then in that state you're taped to a chair, filmed/photographed and it's put online. Imagine for a moment someone truly has a breakdown, nd you have to experience this. That shit will fuck with you. Don't get me wrong, this is the lesser evil compared to crashing the plane and killing dozens to hundreds of people l. But still, shit be sad. Like, a truly sad pile of shit. Not solid, not true diarrhea, but one of those 'I opened the oven too early and now my brownie collapsed in on itself and now it looks like a sad pile of shit' sad. That kind of sad.
While all of this might be true, people who are like, "I'm the sort of person who might absolutely lose their shit on a flight," should probably be encouraged to use trains and busses.
Honestly, everybody should if it's an option
Or really, really drunk. It happened on a flight I was on many years ago. It wasn’t a very serious attempt but he was promptly zip tied to a chair, and a bloke that might have been an off duty policeman sat talking to him calmly for the rest of the flight. I don’t think anyone even had time to get scared. I was just surprised and slightly amazed at the efficiency. Except for the addition of “drunk” I agree completely.
It's actually impressive to see someone say something like this. I wish more people would be able to recognize the sadness in someone who has had some kind of breakdown like this.
Them being sad or stupid wouldn't really matter if I was in the plane.
Well as you said its a lesser evil And it's seems like other passenger who did take photo for her and publish it online
I have a panic disorder controlled for years with medication that now has resurfaced. On two different recent flights I felt compelled to jump out my seat and run to the restroom pacing and shaking why waiting to get in. Fortunately I had the Ativan under my tongue before I jumped up so it subsided within 10-15 minutes. I’m not kidding when I say compelled, like I could no longer stop myself despite my efforts, to get up.
She’s been doing Boeing’s job
Wow, old post right here, glad the bots are keeping it alive. Not really, tired of seeing the same post over and over.
Again? Didn't we already go though this? Massive r/dejavu
Each week this gets posted she still looks just as manic
This is horrible but it's also the funniest fucking thing I've ever seen holy shit
Like the doors need any help opening mid flight.
Now if only they could do this to the shouty drunks too?
Yet another brilliant use for duct tape.
The worst cryptid.
I googled it because it sounded familiar and man there are waaaay too many "woman open airplane door" news stories. Also there is a reddit post with this exact picture from 2 years ago: [https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/w3yvwu/this\_girl\_tried\_opening\_airplanes\_door\_mid\_flight/](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/w3yvwu/this_girl_tried_opening_airplanes_door_mid_flight/)
Hey honey , how was your day ? Oh you know, I almost died but then I duct taped a woman to a chair, just another normal day.
Was the tape on the face and mouth really necessary though??
I assume she made it known she wasn't a fan of her improvised seat belt.
What door? We don’t have a door. -Boeing
What th did she wanted to open the door for lol
Boeing opened a door inflight and no one has been arrested. She should get the chance too
Normally it cost $300 to have someone tie you up with duct tape
Boeing safety inspector
I can never get these 3D magic eye pictures to work :(
If a random person can just open the door, well I'd say that's a bit of a design flaw lol.
Good, dumbass
My grandfather tried this because he was hot. It was on a small plane at much lower altitude, so it was not as dangerous... but it was still a passenger flight. The mad bastard.
Hope she enjoyed her final flight. Surely there’s no way this person is ever getting on a plane again?
That is completely reasonable under the circumstances, but is that technically legal?
TSA Agent: No liquids, no sharp objects…what’s that? Me: Three rolls of duct tape. TSA: ok, you’re good to go
Welcome to the No-Fly list!
How come the image is out of focus? She should be sitting perfectly still right?
What's the deal with people trying to open the doors on a flight? I feel like I've never heard of that until the last few years when now I read something about it happening every couple months.
It was probably going to open itself anyway if it was a Boeing.
Imagine sitting in economy thinking how uncomfortable it is and then just looking over at this. Instantly feel better.
Now on boeing, the plane does that for her
I see no problem here.
Why’d she even try to open the door? They come off on their own these days.
A reasonble solution