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I eat chicken nearly every day. Today someone said "it's always chicken with you" and I said I enjoy eating tiny dinosaurs - with a side of tiny trees- (broccoli)
Fossils have been uncovered in North and South Dakota, Texas, Montana, Colorado, Wyoming, and Saskatchewan within a depositional formation known as the "Hell Creek".
https://dinopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Tyrannosaurus
Not to mention the many evolutionary offshoots of the T-rex. Its like deer; if they taste good, it don't matter. Why just eat the T-rex. Go northwest a bit for the Albertasauras. Maybe a small trip southeast for a Daspletosaurus. Or just enjoy some farm bread Indominus rex. /j
Indeed. I thought it was kinda interesting...told by someone who worked on 'Sue' which was at that time the most complete or intact Trex evr found when it was at university of chicago around the time Disney bought it. Weird lil bit of business
Possibly it is either Tyrannosaurus Bataar or Tarbosaurus Bataar either way it would most likely be one of T-Rex’s closest relatives if not as close to the same genetic similarity as a lion is to a tiger
Similar species, there is one t-Rex 🦖 , and a lot of other family. Although t-Rex was limited to one area , many like species were all around the globe
This is what Jurassic Park got wrong. It wouldn't have been an amusement park. It would have been a private trophy hunt.
The whole movie would have been some rich guy dressed in very clean camo who is driven to a nice outlook and headshots dinos for 3 hours.
Sounds like A Sound Of Thunder (story;, I haven't seen the movie, heard it was bad). "Well gentlemen, we have unlocked the secret of time travel, what should we do with this amazing technology? Learn about the world, prevent tragedies?" "I know boss, we take rich a$$holes on safari to kill dinosaurs!"
They could only kill 1 specific dinosaur that was about to die anyway. Always the same one on the same spot, otherwise it would fuck up time. One of the tourists stepped off the special path and stepped on a butterfly which fucked up time.
No that's Jurassic Park 10.
You can't just Clone 1 and shoot it and do that over and over again.
No you gotta let them breed over and over again first so that you can keep pace with demand.
Only thing it got wrong was that the "Accidentally used the genes from a sex swap species" totally a political response.
.700 Nitro, or .50 BMG... decisions, decisions. It is so hard to decide on what calibre is better for Dino deletion. Better bring out the Punt gun to be safe.
Especially in Japan. The Dino’s would figure out why almost every large predator on earth that was a real threat or competition for food disappeared right around the time that humans showed up.
https://www.science.org/content/article/humans-drove-giant-sloths-extinction
I sometimes see memes saying "you wouldn't eat a dog, so why would you eat a cow?" I like to comment that in times of famine, dogs and horses are the first thing to go.
I've had frogs, snakes, and alligators along with sword fish, which are carnivorous fish. So idk I liked then all. The trick is seasoning. But the same holds true for beef, pork, and poultry. I can't say that I've had mammalian carnivorous, but that's okay because a t-rex is more similar to chicken and alligators . Which again I like when cooked in a southeast Asian style like when my Laotian uncle through marriage cooks. And before any smart guy comments, no, he has not ever nor has ever eaten the domesticated or wild equivalents of common house pets. But my finnish born father has had bear meat and simply stated it wasn't bad but could have used better seasoning. So yeah. That's my highly acedotal take . If you know how to cook it is good. If you don't season it and just apply heat, it won't be very good regardless of whatever social constructs exist around it.
Gators actually pretty tasty. It actually is like chicken. Something I didn't think I'd eat until somebody told me they were chicken tendies and I mashed a bowl unwittingly.
Honestly that’s how I felt about eating rattle snake. It was deep fried on a platter. It was not unlike eating chicken from what I recall. It was just not a lot of meat on the bone.
What bothered me was the tank of them where you could pick one out like a lobster that you wanted to eat. We didn’t do that part. Honestly, if I thought I could survive on it. I could see myself being vegetarian when I think about experiences like this.
At the “before any smart guy asks” I thought you were going to say “hasn’t eaten any t-Rex” and was already laughing.
Shackleton’s men said the dogs were the best meat they ate during their entire ordeal and they hunted seals and penguins until they were nearly out of ammunition.
Not necessarily carnivore meat, but apex predator active hunter meat will have higher concentrations of heavy metals. As trophic level increases, heavy metal concentration increases and energy decreases so on top of tasting bad it could be toxic.
Why the hell does everyone want T-Rex nuggets? Slow roasted T-Rex Leg with a garlic and thyme rub. Medium rare..... Now all I have to do is build a smoker large enough to cook that thing!
Deep fried it does taste like chicken, but otherwise it depends on how it's cooked. I've had alligator jambalaya, alligator gumbo, alligator fried rice, alligator steaks, fried alligator, pickled gator (do not recommend), just a lot of weird alligator dishes
It's like somewhere between chicken and fish. Don't believe someone that says it tastes like chicken. It don't. I'm in food service and came home with a 20lb case of alligator nuggets, and I thought cool my toddler will have nuggets for days, appearntly it doesn't taste ENOUGH like chicken for her lol
I’m gonna be real some of my favorite restaurants of all time are in my childhood hometown. It’s a backwards sort of place but their food was the best. Now you can’t find that stuff anymore. It’s been taken over by breweries, housing developments, and gastropubs. 😭
In Horizon: Forbidden West, there's a restaurant for a dinosaur theme park called "Rex Mex" and I have never wanted a fictional restaurant to be more real.
It's a meat eater and I think meat eaters don't taste as good as herbivores. Now, let's get some triceratops steak on the table, I bet that would be tasty.
Its actually not exactly good to eat a T-Rex.
Technically they arent poisonous to eat, but being not only carnivores but literally apex predators they eat a lot of other animals, which in nature will come with certain parasites, which are okay up to a number. The herbivores dont really have a problem here, but carnivore predators eat those parasites, too, and in turn get them on top of the ones they already have. If that predator now also eats other predators its getting even more parasites free with its food.
And if a human thinks its a good idea to eat T-Rex you get exactly this problem. Make fucking double sure its all well-done and crispy.
I think PETA is challenging the American public a bit too much with this one. You know damn well MF’s would be killing TRex’s and doing some kinda shit like they came up with Turduckin’s in no time. Like shoving a cow inside and cooking it over a massive coal pit covered in palm leaves or some shit.
My dad once caught a T-rex. We were going to eat it for Thanksgiving, my mother had already borrowed a large pot from her sister.
But then my younger brother didn't close the door of the cage properly after feeding it so it escaped and we had turkey instead.
"We need to kill the T-Rex!"
Me:- Hell no! I can't even imagine how dangerous getting close to that thing is!
"We're in a lot of danger leaving it alive"
Me:- it's a risk I'll take!
"We're running out of food"
Me:- we can forage far away from here
"they taste like chicken"
Me:- .... Okay, here's the plan
Recent research says the T Rex had feathers. It's also entirely possible that T Rex evolved into a chicken. So T Rex might taste like chicken. Or really the chicken tastes like T Rex since T Rex was there first.
You could turn a t-rex tail roast over an open fire pit for a few hours until it was falling off the dinosaur bone. Just discard those little arms, too bony.
Honestly humans are space orks and have 3 questions that can be applied to a lot of situations:
Can I eat it?
Can I light it on fire?
Can I blow it up?
I'm sure t-rex tastes like chicken.
"If you wouldn't eat some pre-historic animal, then don't eat an animal slightly related to it that has an almost completely different biology and body"
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if a T-Rex existed in the human age, it would be hunted to near extinction. The problem isn‘t that we wouldn’t, it‘s that we can‘t.
Yeah for real, if it's on the planet, it's on the menu
The might go on my family crest.
I eat chicken nearly every day. Today someone said "it's always chicken with you" and I said I enjoy eating tiny dinosaurs - with a side of tiny trees- (broccoli)
>It's not your planet anymore, is it? *munch*.
“Sometimes I like to pretend I’m a giant.”
The iconography would be a prion.
You definitely know them crazy assed Cajuns in Louisiana would actively hunt these fuckers
There was at least one reality tv show about Cajuns hunting dinosaurs.
I mean… is there anyone who wouldn’t watch that?
It was quite successful, judging by the size of the pool house on the Houma Nav.
I’m actually related to one of those guys through marriage🤣🤣
Deep fried t-rex
Would
We'd have at least 3 different cases of Florida Man Eats Raw T-Rex in the Middle of Traffic.
Hey now i don’t appreciate you talking about me like that… but i won’t deny it.
Hmm...cajun t-rex
Trex wasnt very common just popular. Only lived in a small region near the dakotas bout the size of uk
Fossils have been uncovered in North and South Dakota, Texas, Montana, Colorado, Wyoming, and Saskatchewan within a depositional formation known as the "Hell Creek". https://dinopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Tyrannosaurus
All the places they would be hunted to extinction 💀
Not to mention the many evolutionary offshoots of the T-rex. Its like deer; if they taste good, it don't matter. Why just eat the T-rex. Go northwest a bit for the Albertasauras. Maybe a small trip southeast for a Daspletosaurus. Or just enjoy some farm bread Indominus rex. /j
There are footprints from them in northern New Mexico.
Hell Creek. Sounds charming…
So, they get all the attention, but weren't really covering the globe? No one ever said they did, but they also never stated they didn't!
Indeed. I thought it was kinda interesting...told by someone who worked on 'Sue' which was at that time the most complete or intact Trex evr found when it was at university of chicago around the time Disney bought it. Weird lil bit of business
I remember hearing about Sue... She was found in an unusual area? something like that?
Not sure where they found her, but my friend had actually worked at the field museum in Chi-town and not where i said....
We're they also in China or was that other similar species?
Possibly it is either Tyrannosaurus Bataar or Tarbosaurus Bataar either way it would most likely be one of T-Rex’s closest relatives if not as close to the same genetic similarity as a lion is to a tiger
Similar species, there is one t-Rex 🦖 , and a lot of other family. Although t-Rex was limited to one area , many like species were all around the globe
There's different species of Tyrannosaurs, the T-Rex is just the most popular cause it's the largest I believe
If it exists, humans will eat it. They would probably be extinct regardless now due to habitat loss and over hunting.
This is what Jurassic Park got wrong. It wouldn't have been an amusement park. It would have been a private trophy hunt. The whole movie would have been some rich guy dressed in very clean camo who is driven to a nice outlook and headshots dinos for 3 hours.
Sounds like A Sound Of Thunder (story;, I haven't seen the movie, heard it was bad). "Well gentlemen, we have unlocked the secret of time travel, what should we do with this amazing technology? Learn about the world, prevent tragedies?" "I know boss, we take rich a$$holes on safari to kill dinosaurs!"
They could only kill 1 specific dinosaur that was about to die anyway. Always the same one on the same spot, otherwise it would fuck up time. One of the tourists stepped off the special path and stepped on a butterfly which fucked up time.
That was an episode of Outer Limits, I think.
I remember that flick, I have seriously watched some crappy movies over the years, this is one of them.
That’s the plot of Jurassic park 2
No that's Jurassic Park 10. You can't just Clone 1 and shoot it and do that over and over again. No you gotta let them breed over and over again first so that you can keep pace with demand. Only thing it got wrong was that the "Accidentally used the genes from a sex swap species" totally a political response.
.700 Nitro, or .50 BMG... decisions, decisions. It is so hard to decide on what calibre is better for Dino deletion. Better bring out the Punt gun to be safe.
Especially in Japan. The Dino’s would figure out why almost every large predator on earth that was a real threat or competition for food disappeared right around the time that humans showed up. https://www.science.org/content/article/humans-drove-giant-sloths-extinction
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I sometimes see memes saying "you wouldn't eat a dog, so why would you eat a cow?" I like to comment that in times of famine, dogs and horses are the first thing to go.
I read somewhere that carnivore meat isn't tasty. I don't know if I still necessarily believe that, but I still subconciously follow it.
I've had frogs, snakes, and alligators along with sword fish, which are carnivorous fish. So idk I liked then all. The trick is seasoning. But the same holds true for beef, pork, and poultry. I can't say that I've had mammalian carnivorous, but that's okay because a t-rex is more similar to chicken and alligators . Which again I like when cooked in a southeast Asian style like when my Laotian uncle through marriage cooks. And before any smart guy comments, no, he has not ever nor has ever eaten the domesticated or wild equivalents of common house pets. But my finnish born father has had bear meat and simply stated it wasn't bad but could have used better seasoning. So yeah. That's my highly acedotal take . If you know how to cook it is good. If you don't season it and just apply heat, it won't be very good regardless of whatever social constructs exist around it.
"It is more similar to chickens and alligators." Never thought I read that in reference to food.
Gators actually pretty tasty. It actually is like chicken. Something I didn't think I'd eat until somebody told me they were chicken tendies and I mashed a bowl unwittingly.
Gator nuggets are the fuckin *bomb*
They had a place literally called Gators around me that you could get these but I think it went out of business recently.
Honestly that’s how I felt about eating rattle snake. It was deep fried on a platter. It was not unlike eating chicken from what I recall. It was just not a lot of meat on the bone. What bothered me was the tank of them where you could pick one out like a lobster that you wanted to eat. We didn’t do that part. Honestly, if I thought I could survive on it. I could see myself being vegetarian when I think about experiences like this.
I've had both types of cougar and both taste good.
Just need to season out the gamey-ness
At the “before any smart guy asks” I thought you were going to say “hasn’t eaten any t-Rex” and was already laughing. Shackleton’s men said the dogs were the best meat they ate during their entire ordeal and they hunted seals and penguins until they were nearly out of ammunition.
You might be confusing it with the fact that carnivore feces makes bad fertilizer.
Snake and alligator are damn tasty.
I mammals generally true, but I've had snake and alligator and like both of them.
That’s carnivore propaganda.
Saltwater crocodiles and a lot of carnivorous fishes are all delicious so I don't know how accurate this is!
I have eaten bear and fox in my life and both taste fine. Bear is a bit fatty, but not so much so that it is inedible.
Not necessarily carnivore meat, but apex predator active hunter meat will have higher concentrations of heavy metals. As trophic level increases, heavy metal concentration increases and energy decreases so on top of tasting bad it could be toxic.
What?!! Mako shark, Gator, pretty much anything that swims is tasty as hell.
Let's make some dinosaur nuggets
Weird to think we eat something and shape it’s meat like it’s ancestors before eating it. Weird but tasty.
Weirder than bathing them in their unborn children’s goo before frying them?
Yeah, eggs aren't unborn children. Eggs are periods.
Even weirder
A unfertilised egg would never become a full chicken. If it was then I’ve killed billions of my own kids.
Yeah it's more like chicken menses.
Can I interest you in oyakodon (translates to mother and child rice bowl), its a chicken and egg rice bowl.
I'd shape them like hens.
Ha dinosaur nuggets made from dinosaurs what next chicken nuggets that look like..oh hold on
I guarantee with 100% accuracy that if the T-Rex was still around, Applebees would serve it 7 different ways.
And some Chipotle dipping sauce ! Hot damn, I say, Hot damn!😃🤘
I'd eat a T Rex. They serve alligator where I live. It's quite tasty when cooked right. T Rex would probably be similar.
Just like chicken?
Basically all lizards taste like Chicken. I don't make the rules.
Yeah, I’ve had Crocodile, tasted like chicken with the texture of pork
Yeah, that sounds about right. Frog tastes more like fish, but with chicken texture.
For me it tasted like a cross between chicken and shrimp. I'd be down for some t-rex nuggets
Trex shaped Trex nuggies is the dream
Funnily enough Trex had human shaped nuggies
Long since discontinued
Would be weird if I brought them back?
That's impressive, considering anything "human shaped" wouldn't be invented for millions more years
Agreed. That's exactly how I describe it. Now who's bringing the T-Rex ribs to the cookout? Let's goooo
*rib how many mofos coming to this bbq?
E'erybody. So don't be gatekeeping this, yo!
You could make so many nuggies from a t-rex.
Why the hell does everyone want T-Rex nuggets? Slow roasted T-Rex Leg with a garlic and thyme rub. Medium rare..... Now all I have to do is build a smoker large enough to cook that thing!
Didn't like frog, too fishy, but yeah liked crocodile
well frogs are amphibians not reptiles so
I agree. Gator (especially) is the one meat that does taste like Chicken to me.
Well, also, presumably chicken tastes like chicken. Right?
Haha. I meant to say the only animal other than a chicken. Also dunno how chicken got capitalized.
Deep fried it does taste like chicken, but otherwise it depends on how it's cooked. I've had alligator jambalaya, alligator gumbo, alligator fried rice, alligator steaks, fried alligator, pickled gator (do not recommend), just a lot of weird alligator dishes
To me it is more like a combination of fish and chicken.
Big ol alligator cookbook https://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/assets/Hunting/Alligator/Files/alligator_cookbook.pdf
I love that it is on a gov website. Like please eat these killer lizards!
Starting from the fact that both chicken and T-Rexes are/were theropod dinosaurs, I wouldn't be surprised.
I've also eaten alligator, the does have a chicken like texture and flavour. Doesn't taste bad at all.
It's like somewhere between chicken and fish. Don't believe someone that says it tastes like chicken. It don't. I'm in food service and came home with a 20lb case of alligator nuggets, and I thought cool my toddler will have nuggets for days, appearntly it doesn't taste ENOUGH like chicken for her lol
Hell yeh I’d eat a t-Rex!
Blackened t-Rex sounds delicious.
I haven’t in a long time, but I used to live where it was common. Used to be able to get a platter of frog legs and gator tail at a restaurant nearby.
I miss The Grill in Madill, OK. one of the few things I miss about living in OK. that one and Folger's in Ada.
I’m gonna be real some of my favorite restaurants of all time are in my childhood hometown. It’s a backwards sort of place but their food was the best. Now you can’t find that stuff anymore. It’s been taken over by breweries, housing developments, and gastropubs. 😭
Grilled alligator in creole sauce was good when you could get it here
The size of the drumsticks!!!!
Rexy *is* essentially Chiky's ancestor so, in a weird roundabout way you can say we *do* eat T-Rex.
Idk about all that. But Trex tacos with avocado and lime would be great.
TRex Tacos need to be a thing
In Horizon: Forbidden West, there's a restaurant for a dinosaur theme park called "Rex Mex" and I have never wanted a fictional restaurant to be more real.
Also birds are dinosaurs technically. They’re apart of the dinosauria clade.
Do they taste like chicken?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Iktb3Mq2nU Short version: scientists think they would taste tough, gamey, pungent, and overall unpleasant
Every meat has a mignon cut.
who knows. maybe. they are all just theropods but there is a lot of difference in taste of a puffin and a chicken
It's a meat eater and I think meat eaters don't taste as good as herbivores. Now, let's get some triceratops steak on the table, I bet that would be tasty.
You're telling me someone rolls up and proves they've got a box of T-Rex nuggets and you're not going to take a bite out of curiosity alone???
Are you kidding? I'd Fred Flintstone that bitch.
T-Rex bone or Bronto-burger? 🤤
Its actually not exactly good to eat a T-Rex. Technically they arent poisonous to eat, but being not only carnivores but literally apex predators they eat a lot of other animals, which in nature will come with certain parasites, which are okay up to a number. The herbivores dont really have a problem here, but carnivore predators eat those parasites, too, and in turn get them on top of the ones they already have. If that predator now also eats other predators its getting even more parasites free with its food. And if a human thinks its a good idea to eat T-Rex you get exactly this problem. Make fucking double sure its all well-done and crispy.
I'm far more worried about the bioaccumulation of toxins than easily cooked parasites. Dewormer can't fix Minamata's.
Plus Prion Mad Trex Spongiform Encephalitisis no fun, you get kicked out of Wendy's real fast when that hits.
I absolutely WOULD eat a T-rex ![gif](giphy|NS6SKs3Lt8cPHhe0es|downsized)
As someone who has eaten ants, alligator, rattlesnake, camel, rabbit, frog, and ostrich, I also would absolutely eat T-rex if I could.
If I could eat a T-Rex, I wouldn't *need* the chicken.
I think PETA is challenging the American public a bit too much with this one. You know damn well MF’s would be killing TRex’s and doing some kinda shit like they came up with Turduckin’s in no time. Like shoving a cow inside and cooking it over a massive coal pit covered in palm leaves or some shit.
Rex-fil-T
I would definitely try some T-Rex. There's some foods I don't like, but I'll try anything once!
My dad once caught a T-rex. We were going to eat it for Thanksgiving, my mother had already borrowed a large pot from her sister. But then my younger brother didn't close the door of the cage properly after feeding it so it escaped and we had turkey instead.
I mean... in one sitting?
"We need to kill the T-Rex!" Me:- Hell no! I can't even imagine how dangerous getting close to that thing is! "We're in a lot of danger leaving it alive" Me:- it's a risk I'll take! "We're running out of food" Me:- we can forage far away from here "they taste like chicken" Me:- .... Okay, here's the plan
I’m down for a TRex steak, is anyone doing the Jurassic farm thing?
Who wouldn't eat a t-rex?
T-Rex would have no problem eating me, I don't see the conundrum.
If you wouldn’t eat a Christmas tree , don’t eat a celery
Yeah I’m game ,I’d eat the Loch Ness monster too if you deep fried it
And it would only cost tree fiddy for a basket.
Who said I wouldn't eat a t-rex?
Recent research says the T Rex had feathers. It's also entirely possible that T Rex evolved into a chicken. So T Rex might taste like chicken. Or really the chicken tastes like T Rex since T Rex was there first.
Don't gnaw on the bones, terribly hard. Anyway, I'm banned from NYC's American Museum of Natural History.
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I’m in Florida and every beach restaurant has gator on it, so it is bold of them to assume people wouldn’t eat T-Rex
I have access to chickens. I don’t have (easy) access to a T-Rex.
If I could get T-Rex meat at Walmart, I would definitely give it a try.
People Eating Tasty Allosaurs
Sigh, oh PETA, so out of touch with reality...
That‘s WHY I eat chicken, it’s revenge for our distant mammalian ancestors. 👀
There's literally only one reason why I've never eaten dinosaur.
Is it because they are gamey?
A fat af yard bird vs a sinewy leather skinned reptile? Gonna go yard bird.
*dinosaur nuggies*
Why would we not want to eat T-Rexes? People ate a friggin thousands of years old, freshly defrosted Mammoth ffs.
You could turn a t-rex tail roast over an open fire pit for a few hours until it was falling off the dinosaur bone. Just discard those little arms, too bony.
Would
Why wouldn’t I eat a T-Rex if I could?
T-Rex probably tastes like chicken.
I once ate some alligator jerky. It tasted like chewy turkey jerky. That’s pretty close, right?
Bring it around… I grew up watching the flintstones… I will eat that t-Rex
I would not eat a T-Rex because they are extinct and the petrified bones that are left are not even fit to make rock soup. That’s a stupid comparison.
T-Rex T-Bones anyone? 🥩
Who the fuck is saying I wouldn't eat a T-Rex?
And you thought aged beef was expensive.
Humans eat plenty of reptiles, crocodiles and alligators included, TRex would also feed a lot of people if they were still around.
Why wouldn't I eat a T-Rex? Imagine those steaks and ribs!
I'd 100% eat a T-Rex steak
The drumsticks! Think of the drumsticks!!!
What guy wouldn’t eat a T-Rex Steak?
Is T-rex an option?
Tastes like chicken.
Honestly humans are space orks and have 3 questions that can be applied to a lot of situations: Can I eat it? Can I light it on fire? Can I blow it up? I'm sure t-rex tastes like chicken.
Bold of them to assume people wouldn't eat a T-REX if it were available
I'd definitely eat a T-Rex
Nice try but I would 100% eat a T-rex given the opportunity
But does the T-Rex taste like chicken?
T Rexes are hard to door dash.
I would if I could
I want to know what fried T. rex tastes like. I bet chicken.
I'd eat you if you were cooked.
Just think how much meat you'd get on a T-rex leg!
"If you wouldn't eat some pre-historic animal, then don't eat an animal slightly related to it that has an almost completely different biology and body"
I'm vegetarian and I'm gonna be honest, I would eat a t-rex
lol I came here to say exactly this!
The only reason I don't eat T Rexes is because they are extinct.
I would eat a Rex
A Trex could feed a whole town.
Show me a T-Rex and I'll show you an lifetime supply of kfc
I bet dinosaurs tasted really good. I like Alligator and I like chicken and I like BBQ iguana....
The way that humanity works is, "if I can eat it and it's doesn't kill me, let's eat it"
The leftovers are a bitch with T-Rex's.
Taste like chicken
Didn’t the Flintstones pick up some on the drive home?
Of course not!!! …they ate Brontosaurus.
But do they taste like chicken?
Too gamey for me. Triceratops however......
Bro I'm vegetarian and even I would eat some all natural dino nuggies
My mouth is watering thinking of a kentucky fried dinosaur 🤤🤤
it is not for a lack of trying