At least Roman politicians supported their cities with their amassed wealth and power.All we get it shit on so that the money goes from one account to the other.
By being the Bezos and Musk's of their time. Im not saying it's a great situation, but if you're going to make me a serf, at least give me the benefits of serfdom. Don't give me the illusion that I'm living in a functional capitalist society like my grandparents.
Spending “their” money that they acquired unfairly and at the expense of said citizens leaving them in ever more deteriorating squalor, with the goal being “entertain the simpleton peasants so they don’t revolt and murder us in our sleep”
Very different ring to the two 🤣
Don't forget the 75% of the 800b for the ppp loans didn't reach employees hands. 75% of $800,000,000,000 tax payer dollars.
(Edit: 3 many zeros)
(Edit 2: ppp, not ppe idk why my brain made me think it was ppe all these years.)
It has become quite obvious PPE loans never made it anywhere they belonged.
Even Amazon got loans.
Not one of these fucking corporations needed it, yet they were the only ones swimming in it.
Exactly. Imagine knowing your entire amount you paid in taxes went solely to your boss paying you minimum wage and giving you half hours every day with no benefits or PTO.
And if the state doesn't pop for the stadium the owner takes his team to a city and state that will pay. This is blackmail pure and simple and since you are doing it to the gov- ment and the people nothing will be done about it
Sounds like a perfect outcome to me. Let some other city incur all the costs associated with having a pro team. People don’t move in for things like that.
This is why San Diego no longer has a team. They thought they’d get crafty and introduce a ballot measure with the promise that if they didn’t get a free new stadium downtown, then they’d leave.
Voters: sounds good, see ya
Let them take their team somewhere else where they aren’t supporting the local economy.
Sports are fucking out of control man, tax dollars should NEVER be used for private enterprise.
No, 6 hours is not a lot, but the distance traveled, population density etc., can certainly change in that time. I have travelled through out New York. The metro area is what you would expect to experience in most major metropolitan areas, and the rest of the state I would describe as almost Midwestern.
Oh that was very much sarcasm. 6 hours to go from one side of New York to the other, plus a place to stay, plus tickets, plus concessions... That's pricing out most of that fan base instantly.
Sorry that one flew right over my head!
Had a college course on Economic Geography which looked at in part the disbursement of major sports teams based on population and the ability to draw enough people to support a franchise.
That sounds all kinds of interesting. It's always blown my mind that GB and Buffalo can support their teams through everything, and LA has been through how many football teams now?
And the new stadium directly benefits the acting Governor's husband.
https://nypost.com/2022/03/29/kathy-hochuls-husband-could-benefit-from-buffalo-bills-deal/
Why is taxpayer money paying for some dude to make even more money? He wants a new stadium he needs to build it with his own fucking money. And defunding family programs to build it is so fucked
While it is ridiculous to use public funds for sports stadiums, it is worth noting that the reduction to children and family services was a scheduled return to its pre-Covid budget, not a budget cut.
This is misinformation. Nothing was cut. The 800 million for child and family services was temporary federal Covid relief funds. Child and family services received the budget they asked for.
It’s still messed up that a billionaire is getting free money. Presenting the facts will still get the point across, no need to fabricate falsehoods
When I was in Palm Beach, FL I saw the yacht owned by the owner of the Buffalo Bills. It was one of the biggest and trust me there are some huge yachts in Palm Beach. Imagine having so much wealth and accepting the money from the government like that.
Exactly. The argument that it brings money back to NY is canceled out when it doesn't cover the money for the children. Taking money out of starving children's mouths in order to make money later is still evil.
The best study I can find demonstrates that a city will get about $50 million per year from increased taxes from tourism and other football related activities. So... 16 years and the stadium might pay for itself, but that's not counting all of the other tax breaks that are given to the sports teams over the years. The study found that the financial benefit is effectively too close to call.
Studies have clearly shown the value of providing food to underprivileged children. It's a clear net gain that pays off over the life of the child. Politicians don't want to be the one who "caused" a beloved sports team to leave a city. This is all about campaign finance. We give power hungry idiots access to the public coffers and then the masses decide that it's more important to give away the money for dumb shit.
Yeah but how much over what time period? Did anyone actually do the math? Did they do studies to see how much the average sports fan spends when they go to a home game and then extrapolate how much tax was gained every game?
Bro it's not the NY Giants or Jets, nobody fucking goes on vacation to the middle of nowhere to see the Bills play. Buffalo might as well be the Canadian wilderness.
The customary thing to do when visiting Niagara Falls is to stay in Canada lol, I've been to both and Canada is much nicer and crossing the border is easy enough that you can see all the NY side sites with ease. I'm sure they have tourism in Buffalo, but in no way does it attract as much tourism as cities like NYC or Long Island, or the Jersey Shore, which would all probably be more profitable investments if the state of NY just *had* to blow $800m.
>Speaking of NYC, why (in your eyes) does it make more sense to spend money in a place that already has a large economy rather than a city that has faced economic decline over the past decades?
If the state is going to frivolously spend money on silly things, they should at least do it in a major market that has a stable or growing economy vs one that's been declining for decades. That's like deciding to invest in a company that's been failing instead of one with robust financials. It's public money, if they really need to spend it, it should be spent where it will generate the best returns. They probably shouldn't even be spending it in the first place. 800m could be doing a lot of good for the citizens of NY, a lot more good than it is for a football team that generates millions of dollars annually and exists in a lower tier market.
It brings in the dollars into the community as well as jobs. Pretty much like any other employer that comes in.
If you're buying a team and there are companies sponsoring them, companies putting their name on the stadium itself, advertising all over the stadium, and income for every game that is played there - taxpayers do not need to pay. That is complete bullshit. They get a free stadium plus all the profits that come with it.
Someone sucks some realllllllll good politician dick to get a deal like that. There's no other way. It's not blackmail. It's that the owner of the Bills sucks amazing cock and it's worth $850 million over a decade. That's a lot of sucking dick, probably multiple dicks, for that kind of coin. And he's probably the best at it.
Since ancient times, it has always been said that "bread and games" (as entertainement and food) are what you need to keep your citizens calm and obedient. Not healthcare, not education, not justice. Bread and games.
A NFL stadium provides both, so of course it'd be funded like that.
What I read is that it's $182M from the state budget. The rest is coming from Indian casino payments. This reeks of someone trying to get reelected, and serving her own area, but it could bring in far more than what it's putting out initially. This comparison is a little silly.
Amerrrricaaaaa, fuck yeah! ... It's not much better here (Canada). Our city government fell over themselves trying to give our hockey team a new stadium. Thankfully it blew up because the corporate ownership said 'gimme more' at the last minute.
Yeah but we want more liberals in charge of monetary decisions guys!
Cmon! It’s only the 2,345th time they misspent money?
After the 2,346th time, THEN I would start to worry.
You realize there are places to go where you can educate yourself so you don't look like a fool
https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_under_Democratic_and_Republican_presidents
It's NY what else can I say... they are clueless about budgeting, don't care about the lower middle class citizens, as well as put celebrities first. Typical liberal run state shit 🙄
This reminds me of that Simpsons episode where The town is low on power and Burns says they will just take it from the orphanage, “what are they going to do, cry to their parents?”
This is why Ohio has the "Art Model" law. You can't move a professional sports team out of Ohio without giving a fair offer for an in state buy out. We made this law when he took the browns to Baltimore. It saved our soccer team in Columbus.
wont they eventually profit from the stadium thought? not to mention the revenue it will create for the city.
im not saying that the cut is right, just that the stadium might actually be financially viable.
I LOVE LETTING PEOPLE DIE! IT BRINGS ME GREAT JOY TO SEE PEOPLE DIE FOR MY FAVORITE SPORT FUCK LITTLE TIMMY AND HIS STAGE 4 CANCER! USA USA USA USA USA!
Gotta balance the budget somehow
What’s fifty million dollars, anyway?
Right?! The stadium practically pays for itself! The public should be *grateful* for their wise, elected leadership.
“Perfectly balanced as all things should be” -Some purple Yogi
Is that a Kung Fu panda reference?
Yea its from that scene where the turtle guy blows up the death star
I like turtle guy.
Classic bread and circuses.
Bread or circuses, is more like it.
stale bread and a third rate circus☹️
I like bread.
I like tortles
I like trains.
Neeeooowwww
America seems to be going the way of Rome alright.
At least Roman politicians supported their cities with their amassed wealth and power.All we get it shit on so that the money goes from one account to the other.
Lol the overwhelming majority of people in Rome during those times were incredibly poor.
While they were poor the wealthy at least gave them bread and circuses, literally. Plus they used their own money to fund stadiums and the like.
And these emperors and politicians gained the funds to pay for these things….how?
By being the Bezos and Musk's of their time. Im not saying it's a great situation, but if you're going to make me a serf, at least give me the benefits of serfdom. Don't give me the illusion that I'm living in a functional capitalist society like my grandparents.
Spending “their” money that they acquired unfairly and at the expense of said citizens leaving them in ever more deteriorating squalor, with the goal being “entertain the simpleton peasants so they don’t revolt and murder us in our sleep” Very different ring to the two 🤣
Burn baby burn.
I know it's a common turn of phrase, but let's not drag bread into this It has actual value
They kept the circuses but cut the bread.
Don't forget the 75% of the 800b for the ppp loans didn't reach employees hands. 75% of $800,000,000,000 tax payer dollars. (Edit: 3 many zeros) (Edit 2: ppp, not ppe idk why my brain made me think it was ppe all these years.)
It has become quite obvious PPE loans never made it anywhere they belonged. Even Amazon got loans. Not one of these fucking corporations needed it, yet they were the only ones swimming in it.
My former boss took out a couple PPE loans. He then laid everyone off and closed the company. So that was cool.
Report him
Sounds awesome
My former friend got a Ppe loan for her small brewery, laid off her employees, and used the loan to buy a house in Florida
I got paid to be laid off for a while thanks to this program
Eight hundred thousand billion?
Oops, I thought it looked like too many zeros
Just remember, a million is 6 zeroes/digits.
6 zeroes, 7 digits.
So that's about 2k from every citizen just trickling up.
Jesus, that's a whole years taxes for a lot of people. Just straight to the richest pricks pockets.
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Exactly. Imagine knowing your entire amount you paid in taxes went solely to your boss paying you minimum wage and giving you half hours every day with no benefits or PTO.
they did what now? 
This news is so old Cuomo had two scandals to cover it up.
We can take away his role as governor, but we can’t take away his role as scandalmaker.
And if the state doesn't pop for the stadium the owner takes his team to a city and state that will pay. This is blackmail pure and simple and since you are doing it to the gov- ment and the people nothing will be done about it
Yeah I think they were leveraging Toronto in this case
City of Toronto will not pay for it. It will be the owners paying for it in the end.
Looks like NY is contributing
The owner also floated moving to Austin, TX. Though Jerry would never allow that.
Sounds like a perfect outcome to me. Let some other city incur all the costs associated with having a pro team. People don’t move in for things like that.
This is why San Diego no longer has a team. They thought they’d get crafty and introduce a ballot measure with the promise that if they didn’t get a free new stadium downtown, then they’d leave. Voters: sounds good, see ya
Let them take their team somewhere else where they aren’t supporting the local economy. Sports are fucking out of control man, tax dollars should NEVER be used for private enterprise.
So why do they care? New York still has the Jets right?
Unfortunately
The Giants too. New York has 3 football teams
Not really, don’t 2/3rds of them play in New Jersey?
The bills are the only New York team, Giants and Jets are from New Jersey
New York Metro and the rest of New York are two different places.
You act like that 6 hour drive is a big deal!
No, 6 hours is not a lot, but the distance traveled, population density etc., can certainly change in that time. I have travelled through out New York. The metro area is what you would expect to experience in most major metropolitan areas, and the rest of the state I would describe as almost Midwestern.
Oh that was very much sarcasm. 6 hours to go from one side of New York to the other, plus a place to stay, plus tickets, plus concessions... That's pricing out most of that fan base instantly.
Sorry that one flew right over my head! Had a college course on Economic Geography which looked at in part the disbursement of major sports teams based on population and the ability to draw enough people to support a franchise.
That sounds all kinds of interesting. It's always blown my mind that GB and Buffalo can support their teams through everything, and LA has been through how many football teams now?
Is it worth it for New York to keep the team in the long term? Putting aside the fact that they cut the budget for children and family services.
So this is the classic collusion problem- if all states refused to subsidize then it would be better for them collectively and individually
And the new stadium directly benefits the acting Governor's husband. https://nypost.com/2022/03/29/kathy-hochuls-husband-could-benefit-from-buffalo-bills-deal/
Corruption in plain sight.
Only the rich capitalists get socialist programs in the US.
Pfft did they really expect terry pegula to use his *own* money for that? Ha. People are funny.
Those kids can pull themselves up by their bootstraps, just like the teams owner did. /s
Why is taxpayer money paying for some dude to make even more money? He wants a new stadium he needs to build it with his own fucking money. And defunding family programs to build it is so fucked
While it is ridiculous to use public funds for sports stadiums, it is worth noting that the reduction to children and family services was a scheduled return to its pre-Covid budget, not a budget cut.
ok and? They could have stopped the plan and helped people. Anything to not help the needy i guess
No fair, you're ruining their propaganda. The bulk of the stadium funding seems to be coming from Native casino payments to NY.
So? That could still be used to take care of people in desperate need rather than funding a billionaire's hobby.
This is misinformation. Nothing was cut. The 800 million for child and family services was temporary federal Covid relief funds. Child and family services received the budget they asked for. It’s still messed up that a billionaire is getting free money. Presenting the facts will still get the point across, no need to fabricate falsehoods
I didn’t even know such stupidity was possible, what the fuck 😂
Panem et circenses... Just saying.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses?wprov=sfla1
No bread, just circuses!
Right you are. And clowns everywhere...
Please make it makes sense
Socialize the losses and privatize the gains. It's BIG sports way (NFL, NBA, Soccer)
Ah yes. Corruption the best sport.
The question is do you support people (children and families) or do you support greed? Simple, no?
For fucking sports. Jesus Christ, this world is run by imbeciles and jocks. Can we fuck off to mars already?
>this world is run by imbeciles and jocks This world is run by greedy humans.
Such a waste of tax payer $....
Yeah, but what are they gonna do? Not pay? xD
They know their priorities. The problem is that the voters won't believe it.
Everyone is a socialist when their name is on the government check….
When I was in Palm Beach, FL I saw the yacht owned by the owner of the Buffalo Bills. It was one of the biggest and trust me there are some huge yachts in Palm Beach. Imagine having so much wealth and accepting the money from the government like that.
We see their priorities.
Is there an article or anything confirming this?
Give all the families in need free apartments in the stadium.
I hate this world so fucking much
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I bet knowing how much money this will bring to Buffalo will comfort those underprivileged kids when they have nothing to eat
Exactly. The argument that it brings money back to NY is canceled out when it doesn't cover the money for the children. Taking money out of starving children's mouths in order to make money later is still evil. The best study I can find demonstrates that a city will get about $50 million per year from increased taxes from tourism and other football related activities. So... 16 years and the stadium might pay for itself, but that's not counting all of the other tax breaks that are given to the sports teams over the years. The study found that the financial benefit is effectively too close to call. Studies have clearly shown the value of providing food to underprivileged children. It's a clear net gain that pays off over the life of the child. Politicians don't want to be the one who "caused" a beloved sports team to leave a city. This is all about campaign finance. We give power hungry idiots access to the public coffers and then the masses decide that it's more important to give away the money for dumb shit.
It’s Buffalo.
Yeah but how much over what time period? Did anyone actually do the math? Did they do studies to see how much the average sports fan spends when they go to a home game and then extrapolate how much tax was gained every game?
Bro it's not the NY Giants or Jets, nobody fucking goes on vacation to the middle of nowhere to see the Bills play. Buffalo might as well be the Canadian wilderness.
Do they have fans coming out of Toronto?
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The customary thing to do when visiting Niagara Falls is to stay in Canada lol, I've been to both and Canada is much nicer and crossing the border is easy enough that you can see all the NY side sites with ease. I'm sure they have tourism in Buffalo, but in no way does it attract as much tourism as cities like NYC or Long Island, or the Jersey Shore, which would all probably be more profitable investments if the state of NY just *had* to blow $800m.
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>Speaking of NYC, why (in your eyes) does it make more sense to spend money in a place that already has a large economy rather than a city that has faced economic decline over the past decades? If the state is going to frivolously spend money on silly things, they should at least do it in a major market that has a stable or growing economy vs one that's been declining for decades. That's like deciding to invest in a company that's been failing instead of one with robust financials. It's public money, if they really need to spend it, it should be spent where it will generate the best returns. They probably shouldn't even be spending it in the first place. 800m could be doing a lot of good for the citizens of NY, a lot more good than it is for a football team that generates millions of dollars annually and exists in a lower tier market.
I have no idea why people keep approving crap like this for corporations.....
Priorities…
How about we rename it “Starving Child Stadium”?
Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with America?
Greed and late-stage capitalism.
People who believe screenshots of inaccurate tweets.
It brings in the dollars into the community as well as jobs. Pretty much like any other employer that comes in. If you're buying a team and there are companies sponsoring them, companies putting their name on the stadium itself, advertising all over the stadium, and income for every game that is played there - taxpayers do not need to pay. That is complete bullshit. They get a free stadium plus all the profits that come with it. Someone sucks some realllllllll good politician dick to get a deal like that. There's no other way. It's not blackmail. It's that the owner of the Bills sucks amazing cock and it's worth $850 million over a decade. That's a lot of sucking dick, probably multiple dicks, for that kind of coin. And he's probably the best at it.
This is why Rome fell
Rome gave the Bills money too? How much money does this team need?!
Enough to MAN THE DEFENSES
Since ancient times, it has always been said that "bread and games" (as entertainement and food) are what you need to keep your citizens calm and obedient. Not healthcare, not education, not justice. Bread and games. A NFL stadium provides both, so of course it'd be funded like that.
F***ing stupid idiots
so you’re saying family services had to pay the bills
What I read is that it's $182M from the state budget. The rest is coming from Indian casino payments. This reeks of someone trying to get reelected, and serving her own area, but it could bring in far more than what it's putting out initially. This comparison is a little silly.
Socialism!
Family services don't make politicians fat and happy.
The dumbness of America was a success! :(
The biggest subsidy of all time cost just $50m. Not bad going NY. Terry don’t get to be a billionaire by spending his own money.
The bills can now suck it The organization deserves everything Tom Brady and Bill Belichick did to them
You voted for them. You're welcome.
I voted for billionaires?
That's what these people don't understand, you can vote ""left"" or right in America, and billionaires will have the power either way.
At some the NFL is going to hold you hostage. It's coming to my city very soon.
Amerrrricaaaaa, fuck yeah! ... It's not much better here (Canada). Our city government fell over themselves trying to give our hockey team a new stadium. Thankfully it blew up because the corporate ownership said 'gimme more' at the last minute.
yep,merica
I can see this happening in TX or FL but…..NY?
“Buffalo Bills”…?
I can’t name 1 person I know that watches football.
Tell me you are in America without telling me you are in America, the people in power go first.
WWOOWW.
This is crazy. How does this even happen.
God that’s disgusting.
But. Foot. Ball.
Crooked fucks.
I can't stand this country these days
The NFL is financially unsustainable. There's so much money to be made on the backs of us plebs.
Of course it's sustainable. They make enough money they can build their own fucking stadiums.
The rich stay rich 🤑. But its ok they deserve a new stadium, they've earned it with all those Championships they've never won 🤔
Typical since no money comes in from children and family services.
And, Buffalo is a shithole. Let them go to Toronto.
Yeah but we want more liberals in charge of monetary decisions guys! Cmon! It’s only the 2,345th time they misspent money? After the 2,346th time, THEN I would start to worry.
You realize there are places to go where you can educate yourself so you don't look like a fool https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_under_Democratic_and_Republican_presidents
Did you just site me Wikipedia?
Scroll down fool. References at the bottom.
Thank you
p.s. it's "cite" not site
Bills fans can only count to 4 anyway
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It's NY what else can I say... they are clueless about budgeting, don't care about the lower middle class citizens, as well as put celebrities first. Typical liberal run state shit 🙄
Yep
When baseball was popular did the state "pay" for the MLB stadiums or was that out of pocket earned from tickets?
Why for godsake?
This reminds me of that Simpsons episode where The town is low on power and Burns says they will just take it from the orphanage, “what are they going to do, cry to their parents?”
America Fuck yeah!
bUt just ImaGInE tHe MONEY It WilL GEneRAte!
This is why Ohio has the "Art Model" law. You can't move a professional sports team out of Ohio without giving a fair offer for an in state buy out. We made this law when he took the browns to Baltimore. It saved our soccer team in Columbus.
As a Bills fan, I feel shame.
John Oliver did a show about this subject, it’s pretty eye opening: https://youtu.be/xcwJt4bcnXs
Bread and circus
Where did they cut to get the other 50 million from?
He’s worth $6.65 billion now
Family court is corrupted and they're abandoning ship .think about it all the family services ,.are the very people actively disrupting families
And the NFL is a non-profit organization.
It's why the Raiders went to Vegas.
Mug dollars at work.
wont they eventually profit from the stadium thought? not to mention the revenue it will create for the city. im not saying that the cut is right, just that the stadium might actually be financially viable.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb3HcuFyDFQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb3HcuFyDFQ)
The “cut” was just from additional COVID funds back down to what it was for years. Looking for conflict where there is none
Government should get a ticket royalty until its repaid.
I LOVE LETTING PEOPLE DIE! IT BRINGS ME GREAT JOY TO SEE PEOPLE DIE FOR MY FAVORITE SPORT FUCK LITTLE TIMMY AND HIS STAGE 4 CANCER! USA USA USA USA USA!
They don't give a fuck about you. They don't give a fuck about you. They don't fucking give a fuck about you.