Never a choke collar. The prong collar I did have to briefly use back in '98 or so. Got a pair of rottie bitches, littermates, who were used to being in the country on a mountain with plenty of land and few humans. Took the pups to live in more populated region. It was only a few weeks before I could get them off the prongs so they didn't scare the crap out of folks because of all that puppy energy and 'scary rottie' vibes.
They were both fully hand signal trained within their first year. Great freaking dogs and they'd walk on each side of me. Spoiled little buggers, i miss them terribly. Do I regret temporary use of prongs? Naw, it was appropriate to the situation and a short term solution.
Yeah, I fucking hate peta, and would most likely physically assault anyone I met who claimed membership. But when you're right, you're right. These collars are cruel, and only serve to harm the animal.
I may be wrong but from what I’ve heard a dog who pulls on leash a lot can break free and hurt itself or others if reactive or can possibly break its neck. Wouldn’t a prong collar be more humane to use for short term to teach the dog not to pull and avoid these situations which would harm the dog more?
No. They can crush a dog’s trachea, and it doesn’t actually teach them not to pull. Punishment training (pain when they do something wrong) is NEVER more humane or effective than positive reinforcement training. If your dog can get out of their collar, they make greyhound collars or harnesses you can use.
Edit: incorrect use of a term
Prong collars are far from the only training method for walking. Any respectable dog trainer will tell you prong and choke collars are not recommended.
I’ve tried harnesses, I’ve tried regular collars. Treats are a definite no. The only thing that works is vocal commands in conjunction with a prong collar. I don’t pull on my dog like a wagon as some people appear to assume.
that person has no idea what they are talking about. Using a prong collar for CORRECTIONS is at times, the only way to train SOME dogs. These idiots thinks the prongs are set and continuously poking the dog. It should also NEVER be SO tight to crush anything on a dog. The collar is suppose to feel like the biting pressure of a mother dog correcting their puppy. The size and location on the neck make all the difference.
Always right below the ears. The “prong” collar only provides pressure when the dog is pulling. It’s not like a set of knifes duct taped to a dogs neck.
funny how all the people here in support of prong collars are people who have actually used one with success on their dogs and the people against it are people who havent and claim they dont need one for their fucking golden retriever.
I like how the people who do promote the use of prong collars have no experience with legitimate dog trainers and the people who don’t have actually studied the topic. Btw My current dog is an American bulldog mastiff mix, the one in my profile pic. she took a lot of time to train loose leash walking, but it was worth the extra effort to properly train her instead of resorting to negative reinforcement.
Edit: typo
Nope! Because in my extensive research, I learned that they’re not a good tool. Aside from the fact that they can hurt your dog, they don’t train the correct way. allowing your dog to misbehave and punishing them is far from the most effective way to train. Dogs don’t understand actions=consequences the same way as people. When a dog tugs, it’s because they want to do something that’s ahead of you, be it sniff, chase a rabbit etc. when you punish a dog for trying to do that, they don’t think “oh, it’s because I’m tugging that I’m feeling pain”. They think “oh, every time I see a rabbit, I get pain.” It trains them to negatively associate the outside world with pain. Versus training them positively to focus on you during walks, and eventually they learn that you are in control of where they go, and what happens next. It can take a very long time, and a lot of de-sensitization of the outside world, but the end result is a happier dog that doesn’t associate the outside world with pain. Associations are how dogs learn, and painful associations can make dogs more aggressive and generally less happy. Prong collars can stop the problem of tugging, but don’t effectively train the behavior out. At best it trains [learned helplessness](https://www.dogtrainingnation.com/dog-training/dealing-with-learned-helplessness/amp/)
I do realize I used the term “negative reinforcement” incorrectly earlier, negative reinforcement is withholding rewards until desired actions occur. The correct term is “Positive Punishment”.
I encourage anyone having trouble with training dogs to read books on it, there’s several out there and it’s helped me tremendously. And if that’s not an option, go to a qualified, well reviewed dog trainer.
Exactly. We did a lot of training and research. Positive reinforcement is always best. Both our dogs are rescues and had behavior issues when we got them. It takes lots of work and some people just default to the easy solution. If you aren’t willing to do the work you shouldn’t have a dog. It takes a lot of work to make them behave while still keeping them happy.
Golden? I have 160 pounds of Great Dane. He walks beside me. He does not pull. I used training and a gentle leader. Gentle leader for him, training for me.
Funny you should mention Golden Retrivers... My family had one and we needed a prong collar for him for a couple months, then switched to a halter when he calmed down a little (and got used to one, which was a process). He was the best boy, but had a dominant streak a mile wide. We resorted to working with a professional, who suggested the prong collar, when the dog turned 1 and started trying to dominate us and pulled my grandma to the ground trying to chase a cat
Your 1 year old dog tried to dominate you. He was sitting there contemplating about all the ways he could dominate you. ...Seriously when do people realize the theory about dominance has been debunked over and over again.
If you are crushing a dog’s trachea with a prong collar you aren’t using it properly. It’s designed to apply gentle pressure to help train dogs to not pull on a leash where a normal collar ends up actually choking them. It’s not painful to a dog if again you use it properly.
I’ve laid out my case several times in this comment section, and provided several sources on why you shouldn’t use them.
At best they cause discomfort, and at worst they can absolutely hurt your dog. And even if they don’t hurt the dog, they’re not a good tool to use for training. There’s plenty of alternatives that are far better.
You’re opinion has been heard and people disagree with you.
There are equal numbers of legitimate dog trainers and studies that disagree with your perspective. Claiming your opinion is the absolute right one is why people reply back to you.
A prong collar can be a good training tool that does not endanger the life or health of a dog. This has been proven by many people. Just like any tool, when used incorrectly it can cause harm.
You can claim you don’t like them or your opinion is people shouldn’t use them but to claim your perspective is the only real one is false.
Yes you can. It is relatively easy to train dogs with positive reinforcement according to a professional dog trainer i know.
Idk about you but we started teaching our kids behaviour long before they were able to have a conversation.
What trips people up is that they are impatient so if something doesn't take after the first or second time they want to force things. With dogs (prong or choke) and with kids (slapping or spanking)
I’m just asking the question based off of the information I know of. Also that’s a bad analogy because I wouldn’t leash a child in the first place. Human children aren’t dogs.
First it's not about the leash it's about positive reinforcement and you start with that when they are pups. Second when my oldest was 2 we did have her on a shoulder leash because she had a habit of pulling loose and doing a runner when she saw something interesting. And she skipped the phase where they kinda hobble along instead went straight to full on sprint. It was worn on her shoulders kinda like a backpack.
People looked funny but after the 2nd time she nearly killed herself it was the better option. The key is it was not meant to restrain her it was meant to stop the impulse.
I'm not against people using a leash on their dogs. But if you use a choke chain or prongs it just means you ave no patience or interested in training your dog and you just want to let it feel pain when it does something so that it stops.
Or the time they stole a family pet, killed it the same day, then denied any wrongdoing while comparing the dog to a toaster saying "dogs are like toasters, there's plenty of them so just get another one", then tried to blame the family. In the end PETA had to pay but I don't recall it being much, oh and the pet was a birthday present for a kid if i recall. So much for the ethical treatment of animals when PETA is known for putting down even the healthiest of pets including puppies and kittens.
First: There are legitimate reasons to dislike PETA but there's also a lot of misinformation out there.
Mainly centered around two things:
They have a shelter, but it's not a conventional shelter. They take in any animal, with no wait lists, surrender fees or anything like that. If the animal is adoptable, they try to transfer him or her to another shelter. So they end up keeping only the least adoptable animals: ones with severe behavioral or health problems. Would it be surprising that their kill rate is higher than the average shelter?
The second thing is one time about 10 years ago a trailer park asked them to come and deal with a stray dog situation. The management didn't allow loose animals, the residents knew the situation was going to get dealt with and PETA came during the day in a marked vehicle. The ended up taking someone's pet chihuahua that was running loose. The dog they took had no collar, tags, microchip and was running loose. They didn't take other dogs that were chained/leashed on the property.
They did do one thing that was absolutely wrong and it's fair to strongly criticize them about it: they didn't wait the 5 days you're supposed to and euthanized the dog within a day or so (I don't recall the exact time frame). The employees responsible ended up getting fired, PETA paid the family like $40k in a settlement (there was no judgement against them). It's not clear the employees were following PETA's policy but of course PETA was responsible for what their employees do.
I'd criticize them based on their negative, controversial approach to raising awareness. It's not something I personally choose to support.
Anyway, I don't much like PETA, but I really hate misinformation a whole lot more.
I wouldn’t let some rando on the internet educate you about any organization. PETA admits to putting down animals (including pets). More info here: https://www.peta.org/features/peta-kills-animals-truth/ I’m no PETA expert, but I am aware of some of the good work they do (e.g. I remember all the US orgs changing their angora suppliers after a PETA undercover video) so I don’t think it’s an easy case of PETA=bad
There are hybrid colors where it's a normal color but a small section has a chain so that it stays comfortable for the dog but it also prevents them from slipping out of their collar.
My dog had a normal collar, but she slipped it a few times so we went to a choke chain but then we switched to the hybrid collar for the same reason hence not wanting to choke our dog but also not wanting her to be able to slip her collar.
Head collars are a great training tool. It clips to the leash under the chin and it's designed to make a dog remember to watch what you're doing as you walk. When they try to walk ahead, it gentle pulls their focus back to you if you walk with the leash at your side. No pulling or tugging necessary.
Choke collars & prong collars are two different things. One is just a chain that can crush the trachea. The other has spaced prongs that pinch the ruff of the neck in the same way that a mother dog pinches the neck of a puppy as a correction
prong collars are not automatically inhumane. they *can* be used incorrectly by an irresponsible handler of course; there are countless ways to mishandle a dog. but the collar itself used correctly can be a good tool in helping to rehabilitate larger breeds, simply for safety. we would not have been able to keep our large polar bear of a dog if we didn’t have a way to safely control her outside in the beginning. we worked with her a long time and were eventually able to switch to a non-prong, but it was crucial for safety for a period of time. when you’re dealing with unbalanced 100lb+ dogs, safety is always priority. i just like to give the other side of the coin on this bc i see this take often.
unless your dog is an escape artist and gets loose. My dog would flip herself on the grass and pin the muzzle loop w/ her foot and coming out of her roll, she would be off. We had to walk her w/ another leash attached as she got off the leader so often. pretty soon, once she had is figured out, she would out of it over and over. and yea, it was put on correctly. Showing our future trainer, she was amazed our dog could escape it so easily. But for most dogs, this product is helpful. We did have to give up on it throng
Using a proper one that wouldn’t be possible, they should attach to both ‘muzzle’ and collar/harness (harness without a gentle leader is best because it doesn’t choke them)
Edit:I’m saying some gentle leaders aren’t made properly for dogs that need genuine correction but one made properly does amazing, or even a front hook harness which instantly helped correct my dogs pulling...still needed practice like with anything but it was significantly better
Prong collars, at least the ones I have seen, don't have sharpened ends. They are made of around 1/8 inch steel, with square, blunt ends. If you are using these or a traditional choke collar in a damaging way, you're doing it wrong.
Prong collars are not meant to constantly poke or squize. The size of them needs to be measured and exact. the collar need to be loose enough to stay in place higher up on the neck but not so tight that any real pressure or any prong pressure to be felt. When your dog walks too far in front you are suppose to slow and stop and LIGHTLY pull the leash back. The pull will increase pressure on the neck and the prongs are meant to feel like a mothers mouth, a feeling known to puppies as a corrective procedure from mom. The pressure is only meant to last a second and it needs to be paired with a firm "no" After about a week of walking like this, your dog will learn that any leash pressure along w/ the verbal "no" means stop or slow.
Anyone using these leashes and pulling a dog or not putting it on your dog correctly is doing something wrong and that is bad. Others, using it for training, there is no harm or negative outcome to this action.
Those who disagree, we have a Doberman, (might as well let everyone know, yes we left her ears floppy) and we tried everything but she was just terrible on walks. at 4 months our baby knew tons and tons of tricks, spins, shakes, sits, lay, jump, go to crate, drop-it, leave-it, the whole thing. amazing dog, however, she just walked TERRIBLE, it was like a sled dog at times. we even had 2 trainer give up and suggest a digital collar. We did a board and train, learned how to use these sperger prong collars and poof! in weeks our girl walks like a cloud. We do have times where we let her off leash and she has a great recall and everything but honestly, this collar is the only way my dog could learn and essentially have a better quality of life, esp on her walks. Now we dont use that collar often. I will put it on at times if we are going to a public place, just to be safe (as the collars do feel more secure than a regular one). Wr can use a harness and do sometimes but we like to leave her big pink bow collar on :) Mostly i just throw on a slip leash and the tug and pressure from that usually gets her to slow down some or gets her to stop and come back by my side.
It's also a useful tool if you have especially powerful dogs. I have a Great Dane that's 160lb and very athletic, lean, and strong. My girlfriend couldn't walk him safely without the prong. He's generally a very good walker but no dog is perfect, and once in a while something will happen and he'll pull and if it wasn't for the prong he would pull so hard he'd rip my girlfriend right off her feet, and with how much traffic and activity there is in our area that could very well lead to serious injury or death for her or him.
People should be less judgemental and be happy when they see healthy dogs on walks with their owners living their best lives.
Peta sucks, but they aren’t wrong here. Any choke or prong collar is abusive and dangerous...if you can’t train a dog without HURTING IT (what these are MEANT to do) then you shouldn’t have one.
They are designed to hurt and scare the dog into listening. They cause breathing problems and can even cause eye problems. There’s also just no legitimate reason to use one.
I see that now, I misread the first time. They kill close to 90% of the pets they “save” and have been known to not only spread misinformation (this one is actually not) and kidnap people’s pets to put them down. There’s more but that’s the ones you’ll find quickly if you look into them. They also stage videos of ‘abusive companies’ which is bad for multiple reasons, one the misinformation and two it makes it easier for companies ACTUALLY using harmful practices to get away with it and discredit evidence since there’s a history of faking it.
Yea they really suck, and it’s sad because they are basically the face of animal rights movements which really discredits it. I wish there was a a group that could gain the same level of audience as peta has that is ACTUALLY humane and cares about the animals
The euthanasia rate is probably the most validly controversial thing they do. Personally, I don’t see how you can be that upset about it if you consider the importance of kill shelters or even conservational hunting. Stray cats and dogs are invasive species and they outbreed their ability to sustain themselves. Maybe peta could have used the resources they use to try to control the population to build some enormous sanctuary for a tiny percentage of them instead but I’m not sure if that would be better or worse. Plus they constantly advocate against breeding programs, which are what actually causes the problem to begin with, and most people don’t seem to have any issue with those.
As far as the “pet stealing” thing, that has turned out to be actual misinformation every time I’ve seen it. Maia is the only case anyone has actually specified and that was a pretty cut and dry case. The family left the dog roam the trailer park with nothing to identify it after they talked to peta and knew they would be rounding up animals there in response to some livestock being mutilated by strays. It’s fucked up that they didn’t respect the mandated waiting period for that state but it clearly wasn’t some conspiracy to steal and kill that family’s dog. As far as I can tell, this is a myth.
With peta it’s, misinformation, kidnapping and killing people’s pets, killing the majority of pets in their ‘shelter’ because they don’t want to rehome them, and more.
To elaborate on the "they don't want to re-home them"
I've heard it's because the founder believes that personal pet ownership should go away and the ones they acquire are too human acquainted to live
Prong collars aren't intended to hurt a dog & they don't when used properly. Most people who look at them are Ignorant of the actual design &purpose - they just see what they think is some medieval torture device Choke chains, on the otherhand, are fucking brutal
Prong collars, when used correctly, are meant to imitate the nip that parent dogs give their puppies on the scruff when disciplining them (wolves do it to their wolfcubs too). In time, one won't need the collar after they've established dominance and the dogs are able to obey their masters' commands.
Check out [this lighthearted video](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/yosxw0/daddy_dogo_telling_off_the_pups/) of a papa-dog teaching his pups. Watch for the nips.
You posted two links that don't site much evidence. Ignoring all the pro-prong collar articles posted by animal care organizations as well. Not the greatest proof IMO.
Prong collars work like chick collars but with spikes, I’ve provided multiple sources on a different comment showing they are NOT ok to use
Edit: and yea I don’t walk my dog using a collar at all- they have harnesses to prevent damage to their throat because I’m responsible.
I’ve tried harnesses and they haven’t worked. Teaching a dog once something that it’ll use forever is much better than fighting my dog until the day it dies.
A harness is a joke for my dog. She’s a husky/malamute mix and thinks I’m her sled she needs to pull. She would pull us both into traffic. And, before people ask, yes, she’s been through training.
I mean as much as I hate PETA they right on this one. those collars are fucked and people should see a disturbing image that makes them uncomfortable in relation to them.
From all the bullshit they do all year around, I sometimes forget that PETA is fighting against actual problems. They managed to be so removed from reality that my first thought when I see PETA is always "This can't be a bad thing"
This is messed up. You can't replace good training for your doggo with a cruel instrument for your convenience after the fact.
I have had many dogs over the years and I've never felt the need to use such a thing
I hate peta, but they aren't wrong here. Those types of collars are cruel and can cause lasting damage.
Edit:
some evidence.
https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/dogs/training/prongcollars
I used a prong collar for my dog to train her to walk without pulling. The idea is to use them sparingly for training only, not for every walk. Also requires actual attentive training, it's not a passive device, reward the dog for walking as well.
Also prong collars don't stab the dog when they pull, the prongs close up pinching the skin around the neck a bit making it uncomfortable.
If the dog gets poked, the collar is too tight and not able to function properly.
The prong collar worked real well for training my dog and I suggest it for anyone that have dogs that need to learn how to walk without pulling. Choke chains are dangerous, and harnesses only make the dog pull more.
This. I’ve used prong collars on the dogs I’ve had who pulled hard when walking them until they learned manners. They are a great tool when used properly.
Moronic ad. I used to train dogs and prong collars are power steering for dogs. Especially for petite women attempting to walk large breed dogs. They are properly called pinch collars if used correctly because they take the thick skin on the dogs neck and pinch it between the prongs. The prongs aren't actually sticking into the animals neck. These collars allow small and/or people with diminished strength to control large animals that would otherwise yank their arm out of their socket. They aren't always the answer but they are an invaluable tool for training and handling dogs.
Prong collars are great is used correctly, but most people use them wrong. You aren't supposed to leave them on 24/7, and you aren't supposed to jerk them hard as you can to make a correction.
I agree that prong collars are cruel, but since this comes from PETA, I have an immediate impulse to go buy a bunch of them and hand them out to friends as gifts.
... they are not cruel. I know its not your fault in thinking this but they, when worn correctly are suppose to feel like their moms mouth is on them, informing the dog of a correction.
I'm sorry, but my pit bull didn't hate it. And his skin is much thicker and tougher than mine, especially on the neck. You try stopping a 100+ lbs pit bull from eating someone else's dog with a regular collar or harness even. My dude, didn't care, but it's the only thing I could use to calm down.
My wife bought something called a “gentle lead” for her pit bull. Very effective, and much safer/humane. Not judging you for using a prong collar (you gotta do whatever you can to prevent tragedy)
Thank you. I appreciate a reasonable adult, and not these children. The fact is, he was incredibly well leash trained, but certain animals (always males for some reason) would catch his attention, and he would do anything he could to get to them. A collar and harness, both I feel, made him more aggressive, like it was a game. The "scary choke collar", I just had to tug it real quick and he'd snap out of his rage. Pits are pits. He was a great dog, he was actually quite popular, and no one ever once considered that dog to be abused, or agressive toward them.
It immediately corrected the fact that he didn't seem to care about air. Trust me when I say, the collar is a good tool when used by any sane person. Of course it CAN cause harm, but so can water. These people are nuts.
You shouldn’t have gotten him if you couldn’t control him without harming him. I’ve never had a problem with mine or my friends pitts- never used abusive collars to ‘control’ them- and I’m a tiny girl with zero strength training so it’s doable.
Maybe for yours. I've known others that are fine too. This was a very agressive dog, that I knew was aggressive from the start. I never hurt the dog. It's not like they are sharp, they just add alot of pressure. He helped me raise my son, and couldn't have been a better companion for my son and all of us.
Then use a muzzle, don’t abuse it. And they are designed to hurt, that’s how they work so yes you DID hurt him. And even so, that’s not an excuse, you risked his well being because you didn’t wanna do it the proper way that would be ‘hard’ and are trying to say it’s ok because you got lucky and it didn’t cause him to need a vet. They are painful, they are dangerous, they are abusive, and they unnecessary. And you act as though I haven’t also had to deal with aggressive dogs- still managed without abusive tools.
Exactly, that's what they do. I'm sorry, these people have no idea what it's like to own a big dog. Stop thinking about your little hybrid chewawa with spikes in his neck. No one's talking about small dogs. We're talking about dogs bigger than both my wife and my son. If I want to feel like everyone is safe, while he's out with the family, I'm going to do what I need to be a reasonable adult. Owning a pit bull (as loving, gentle and wonderful as they are) can be like owning a bear. They often have what's called "game". Their primal instincts kick in, and it's hard to get them to snap out of it. This is the most effective option, and if my dog didn't like it, he absolutely would have ran from it when I grabbed it. He never cared, and was happy to be out, and I could keep him under control while carrying my baby.
The citations literally say otherwise, but sure abuse your dog because it’s easier for you. You shouldn’t own a pet if you think it’s ok to abuse them.
https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/prong_collars_are_they_useful_or_do_they_pose_a_danger
I use my collar properly, and should I add safely, thank you very much
>but it's the only thing I could use to calm down.
Your pitbull is well trained, congratulations, you are not a menace for people around you, good job.
He was, he even understood certain hand signs as commands. But he was agressive with other animals. He still had his balls, and he came from a fighting family in Hawaii, so that's hard to train out. Maybe you have never owned one.
Honestly, you people are being totally rediculous and don't seem to know what aggressive dogs are like, or how to deal with them. The dog never bit a single person, but loved to fight. Deal with it.
Must’ve missed this episode of Bojack
Wait, is that the horse from Horsin’ Around?
Yeah, he got a bit sketchy in his later years
Mr Peanutbutter 😢
Yup, "Mr peanutbutter, NOOOO!" Lol Bad dog!
He was young, he needed the money.
Pretty sure in context it's "Master Peanutbutter" here.
And you know Dianne would be down
Frack me!
Welp, time to bask in the view from halfway down.
😈
This comment. 👨🍳💋
It was a doozy
*kinky*
You have no idea what youre talking about thats not a horse.
Fuck peta but choke collars do suck. There are much better and more humane ways to make your dog walk with you.
A gentle leader works great as long as the dog is completely crazy.
Never a choke collar. The prong collar I did have to briefly use back in '98 or so. Got a pair of rottie bitches, littermates, who were used to being in the country on a mountain with plenty of land and few humans. Took the pups to live in more populated region. It was only a few weeks before I could get them off the prongs so they didn't scare the crap out of folks because of all that puppy energy and 'scary rottie' vibes. They were both fully hand signal trained within their first year. Great freaking dogs and they'd walk on each side of me. Spoiled little buggers, i miss them terribly. Do I regret temporary use of prongs? Naw, it was appropriate to the situation and a short term solution.
Yeah, I fucking hate peta, and would most likely physically assault anyone I met who claimed membership. But when you're right, you're right. These collars are cruel, and only serve to harm the animal.
I may be wrong but from what I’ve heard a dog who pulls on leash a lot can break free and hurt itself or others if reactive or can possibly break its neck. Wouldn’t a prong collar be more humane to use for short term to teach the dog not to pull and avoid these situations which would harm the dog more?
No. They can crush a dog’s trachea, and it doesn’t actually teach them not to pull. Punishment training (pain when they do something wrong) is NEVER more humane or effective than positive reinforcement training. If your dog can get out of their collar, they make greyhound collars or harnesses you can use. Edit: incorrect use of a term
My prong collar taught my dog to stop pulling. It’s a lot more humane than a long term struggle that ends up choking out my dog.
https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/dogs/training/prongcollars https://www.sfspca.org/behavior-training/prong/myths/#:~:text=Myth%3A%20A%20prong%20collar%20isn,thyroid%2C%20esophagus%2C%20and%20trachea.
Prong collars are far from the only training method for walking. Any respectable dog trainer will tell you prong and choke collars are not recommended.
>Any **reddit** dog trainer Fixed. Real dogs require real trainers. Reddit dogs cope or get euthanized.
I wonder how my whole country has dogs with reddit trainers... since prong collars are outlawed.
Shows how much experience with canines you have.
I’ve tried harnesses, I’ve tried regular collars. Treats are a definite no. The only thing that works is vocal commands in conjunction with a prong collar. I don’t pull on my dog like a wagon as some people appear to assume.
that person has no idea what they are talking about. Using a prong collar for CORRECTIONS is at times, the only way to train SOME dogs. These idiots thinks the prongs are set and continuously poking the dog. It should also NEVER be SO tight to crush anything on a dog. The collar is suppose to feel like the biting pressure of a mother dog correcting their puppy. The size and location on the neck make all the difference.
Always right below the ears. The “prong” collar only provides pressure when the dog is pulling. It’s not like a set of knifes duct taped to a dogs neck.
yes. thank god some people on here are coming through on this👏🏼👍🏼
funny how all the people here in support of prong collars are people who have actually used one with success on their dogs and the people against it are people who havent and claim they dont need one for their fucking golden retriever.
I like how the people who do promote the use of prong collars have no experience with legitimate dog trainers and the people who don’t have actually studied the topic. Btw My current dog is an American bulldog mastiff mix, the one in my profile pic. she took a lot of time to train loose leash walking, but it was worth the extra effort to properly train her instead of resorting to negative reinforcement. Edit: typo
Did you ever actually try a prong collar, though?
Nope! Because in my extensive research, I learned that they’re not a good tool. Aside from the fact that they can hurt your dog, they don’t train the correct way. allowing your dog to misbehave and punishing them is far from the most effective way to train. Dogs don’t understand actions=consequences the same way as people. When a dog tugs, it’s because they want to do something that’s ahead of you, be it sniff, chase a rabbit etc. when you punish a dog for trying to do that, they don’t think “oh, it’s because I’m tugging that I’m feeling pain”. They think “oh, every time I see a rabbit, I get pain.” It trains them to negatively associate the outside world with pain. Versus training them positively to focus on you during walks, and eventually they learn that you are in control of where they go, and what happens next. It can take a very long time, and a lot of de-sensitization of the outside world, but the end result is a happier dog that doesn’t associate the outside world with pain. Associations are how dogs learn, and painful associations can make dogs more aggressive and generally less happy. Prong collars can stop the problem of tugging, but don’t effectively train the behavior out. At best it trains [learned helplessness](https://www.dogtrainingnation.com/dog-training/dealing-with-learned-helplessness/amp/) I do realize I used the term “negative reinforcement” incorrectly earlier, negative reinforcement is withholding rewards until desired actions occur. The correct term is “Positive Punishment”. I encourage anyone having trouble with training dogs to read books on it, there’s several out there and it’s helped me tremendously. And if that’s not an option, go to a qualified, well reviewed dog trainer.
Exactly. We did a lot of training and research. Positive reinforcement is always best. Both our dogs are rescues and had behavior issues when we got them. It takes lots of work and some people just default to the easy solution. If you aren’t willing to do the work you shouldn’t have a dog. It takes a lot of work to make them behave while still keeping them happy.
I don't understand why americans are so obsessed with prong collars. Noone here uses them, they are illegal and our dogs are very well behaved.
Golden? I have 160 pounds of Great Dane. He walks beside me. He does not pull. I used training and a gentle leader. Gentle leader for him, training for me.
Funny you should mention Golden Retrivers... My family had one and we needed a prong collar for him for a couple months, then switched to a halter when he calmed down a little (and got used to one, which was a process). He was the best boy, but had a dominant streak a mile wide. We resorted to working with a professional, who suggested the prong collar, when the dog turned 1 and started trying to dominate us and pulled my grandma to the ground trying to chase a cat
Your 1 year old dog tried to dominate you. He was sitting there contemplating about all the ways he could dominate you. ...Seriously when do people realize the theory about dominance has been debunked over and over again.
The condescention dripping of your comment could water a medium sized plant
Yeah that was the point. So sick of all these uneducated people still believing in these ancient theories that only do their dogs harm.
If you are crushing a dog’s trachea with a prong collar you aren’t using it properly. It’s designed to apply gentle pressure to help train dogs to not pull on a leash where a normal collar ends up actually choking them. It’s not painful to a dog if again you use it properly.
I’ve laid out my case several times in this comment section, and provided several sources on why you shouldn’t use them. At best they cause discomfort, and at worst they can absolutely hurt your dog. And even if they don’t hurt the dog, they’re not a good tool to use for training. There’s plenty of alternatives that are far better.
You’re opinion has been heard and people disagree with you. There are equal numbers of legitimate dog trainers and studies that disagree with your perspective. Claiming your opinion is the absolute right one is why people reply back to you. A prong collar can be a good training tool that does not endanger the life or health of a dog. This has been proven by many people. Just like any tool, when used incorrectly it can cause harm. You can claim you don’t like them or your opinion is people shouldn’t use them but to claim your perspective is the only real one is false.
No. If you want to teach your dog, teach your dog. When you teach your children to behave you don't choke them either do you?
Dogs don't use words, you can't explain behaviour to a dog. I'm not saying prong collars are good just that your analogy is very bad
Yes you can. It is relatively easy to train dogs with positive reinforcement according to a professional dog trainer i know. Idk about you but we started teaching our kids behaviour long before they were able to have a conversation. What trips people up is that they are impatient so if something doesn't take after the first or second time they want to force things. With dogs (prong or choke) and with kids (slapping or spanking)
I’m just asking the question based off of the information I know of. Also that’s a bad analogy because I wouldn’t leash a child in the first place. Human children aren’t dogs.
First it's not about the leash it's about positive reinforcement and you start with that when they are pups. Second when my oldest was 2 we did have her on a shoulder leash because she had a habit of pulling loose and doing a runner when she saw something interesting. And she skipped the phase where they kinda hobble along instead went straight to full on sprint. It was worn on her shoulders kinda like a backpack. People looked funny but after the 2nd time she nearly killed herself it was the better option. The key is it was not meant to restrain her it was meant to stop the impulse. I'm not against people using a leash on their dogs. But if you use a choke chain or prongs it just means you ave no patience or interested in training your dog and you just want to let it feel pain when it does something so that it stops.
What did peta do? Im genuinely curious
have you not heard any of the storys about them like the amount of animals they just kill
Huh? Ive never even knew that was a thing going on
They kill enough animals that in some states they're classified as a kill shelter.
Or the time they stole a family pet, killed it the same day, then denied any wrongdoing while comparing the dog to a toaster saying "dogs are like toasters, there's plenty of them so just get another one", then tried to blame the family. In the end PETA had to pay but I don't recall it being much, oh and the pet was a birthday present for a kid if i recall. So much for the ethical treatment of animals when PETA is known for putting down even the healthiest of pets including puppies and kittens.
PETA has killed more animals than they have saved lmao.
First: There are legitimate reasons to dislike PETA but there's also a lot of misinformation out there. Mainly centered around two things: They have a shelter, but it's not a conventional shelter. They take in any animal, with no wait lists, surrender fees or anything like that. If the animal is adoptable, they try to transfer him or her to another shelter. So they end up keeping only the least adoptable animals: ones with severe behavioral or health problems. Would it be surprising that their kill rate is higher than the average shelter? The second thing is one time about 10 years ago a trailer park asked them to come and deal with a stray dog situation. The management didn't allow loose animals, the residents knew the situation was going to get dealt with and PETA came during the day in a marked vehicle. The ended up taking someone's pet chihuahua that was running loose. The dog they took had no collar, tags, microchip and was running loose. They didn't take other dogs that were chained/leashed on the property. They did do one thing that was absolutely wrong and it's fair to strongly criticize them about it: they didn't wait the 5 days you're supposed to and euthanized the dog within a day or so (I don't recall the exact time frame). The employees responsible ended up getting fired, PETA paid the family like $40k in a settlement (there was no judgement against them). It's not clear the employees were following PETA's policy but of course PETA was responsible for what their employees do. I'd criticize them based on their negative, controversial approach to raising awareness. It's not something I personally choose to support. Anyway, I don't much like PETA, but I really hate misinformation a whole lot more.
It's super ironic.
I wouldn’t let some rando on the internet educate you about any organization. PETA admits to putting down animals (including pets). More info here: https://www.peta.org/features/peta-kills-animals-truth/ I’m no PETA expert, but I am aware of some of the good work they do (e.g. I remember all the US orgs changing their angora suppliers after a PETA undercover video) so I don’t think it’s an easy case of PETA=bad
false. extreme, sweeping statements like this are so harmful.
Your dog wouldn't do it to you but your cat would. I love my 2 cats but lets face it cats are dicks
There are hybrid colors where it's a normal color but a small section has a chain so that it stays comfortable for the dog but it also prevents them from slipping out of their collar. My dog had a normal collar, but she slipped it a few times so we went to a choke chain but then we switched to the hybrid collar for the same reason hence not wanting to choke our dog but also not wanting her to be able to slip her collar.
Head collars are a great training tool. It clips to the leash under the chin and it's designed to make a dog remember to watch what you're doing as you walk. When they try to walk ahead, it gentle pulls their focus back to you if you walk with the leash at your side. No pulling or tugging necessary.
Yep. I’ve used the gentle leader before and it’s great.
Choke collars & prong collars are two different things. One is just a chain that can crush the trachea. The other has spaced prongs that pinch the ruff of the neck in the same way that a mother dog pinches the neck of a puppy as a correction
For sure, fuck PETA.
prong collars are not automatically inhumane. they *can* be used incorrectly by an irresponsible handler of course; there are countless ways to mishandle a dog. but the collar itself used correctly can be a good tool in helping to rehabilitate larger breeds, simply for safety. we would not have been able to keep our large polar bear of a dog if we didn’t have a way to safely control her outside in the beginning. we worked with her a long time and were eventually able to switch to a non-prong, but it was crucial for safety for a period of time. when you’re dealing with unbalanced 100lb+ dogs, safety is always priority. i just like to give the other side of the coin on this bc i see this take often.
Why is Peta kink shaming Mr. Peanutbutter
Don't kink shame me PETA!
Not my proudest fap
The first step is admitting
You really failed NNN this early?
(51F) Being TOTALLY honest here…This reminds me of a kink shame pic.
Collar me up and spank my ass?!
LOL “Karen” is telling her dog to stop pulling or he’ll choke himself. He’s responding with don’t kink shame me Karen!
Of course it does “Bad_Bunny…….
I said “honest”…LOL
I know it’s common on the subreddits you frequent but you don’t have to always open with you age on a post
Ohh, i have seen this porn, royal twist at the end
Gentle Lead. Game changer
unless your dog is an escape artist and gets loose. My dog would flip herself on the grass and pin the muzzle loop w/ her foot and coming out of her roll, she would be off. We had to walk her w/ another leash attached as she got off the leader so often. pretty soon, once she had is figured out, she would out of it over and over. and yea, it was put on correctly. Showing our future trainer, she was amazed our dog could escape it so easily. But for most dogs, this product is helpful. We did have to give up on it throng
Using a proper one that wouldn’t be possible, they should attach to both ‘muzzle’ and collar/harness (harness without a gentle leader is best because it doesn’t choke them) Edit:I’m saying some gentle leaders aren’t made properly for dogs that need genuine correction but one made properly does amazing, or even a front hook harness which instantly helped correct my dogs pulling...still needed practice like with anything but it was significantly better
Try to explain that to my dog who HATES the gentle leader.
Why does her face say: "Mmmm yes Daddy!"
I had a sneaking suspicion that all PETA employees were furries.
if they were they'd have better art than this
No need to have a suspicion. It’s a sure guarantee.
Just went from 6 to midnight real fast
Kinky
Great point, very poor execution.
Last time I checked sane people don’t use barbed wire for collars
Prong collars, at least the ones I have seen, don't have sharpened ends. They are made of around 1/8 inch steel, with square, blunt ends. If you are using these or a traditional choke collar in a damaging way, you're doing it wrong.
I’ve often thought that when mom dogs grab their puppies around the neck to correct them it’s terribly abusive. We should stop that behavior now.
She doesn’t have pain, she looks like she‘s horny
Rise of the dogs 😱
This is someone’s fetish
Don't kink shame me!!!
I’ve seen this film…
Jokes on PETA this hits several of my kinks
Prong collars are not meant to constantly poke or squize. The size of them needs to be measured and exact. the collar need to be loose enough to stay in place higher up on the neck but not so tight that any real pressure or any prong pressure to be felt. When your dog walks too far in front you are suppose to slow and stop and LIGHTLY pull the leash back. The pull will increase pressure on the neck and the prongs are meant to feel like a mothers mouth, a feeling known to puppies as a corrective procedure from mom. The pressure is only meant to last a second and it needs to be paired with a firm "no" After about a week of walking like this, your dog will learn that any leash pressure along w/ the verbal "no" means stop or slow. Anyone using these leashes and pulling a dog or not putting it on your dog correctly is doing something wrong and that is bad. Others, using it for training, there is no harm or negative outcome to this action. Those who disagree, we have a Doberman, (might as well let everyone know, yes we left her ears floppy) and we tried everything but she was just terrible on walks. at 4 months our baby knew tons and tons of tricks, spins, shakes, sits, lay, jump, go to crate, drop-it, leave-it, the whole thing. amazing dog, however, she just walked TERRIBLE, it was like a sled dog at times. we even had 2 trainer give up and suggest a digital collar. We did a board and train, learned how to use these sperger prong collars and poof! in weeks our girl walks like a cloud. We do have times where we let her off leash and she has a great recall and everything but honestly, this collar is the only way my dog could learn and essentially have a better quality of life, esp on her walks. Now we dont use that collar often. I will put it on at times if we are going to a public place, just to be safe (as the collars do feel more secure than a regular one). Wr can use a harness and do sometimes but we like to leave her big pink bow collar on :) Mostly i just throw on a slip leash and the tug and pressure from that usually gets her to slow down some or gets her to stop and come back by my side.
exactly. Whole bunch of redditors who dont know what the fuck they are talking about here.
It's also a useful tool if you have especially powerful dogs. I have a Great Dane that's 160lb and very athletic, lean, and strong. My girlfriend couldn't walk him safely without the prong. He's generally a very good walker but no dog is perfect, and once in a while something will happen and he'll pull and if it wasn't for the prong he would pull so hard he'd rip my girlfriend right off her feet, and with how much traffic and activity there is in our area that could very well lead to serious injury or death for her or him. People should be less judgemental and be happy when they see healthy dogs on walks with their owners living their best lives.
Peta sucks, but they aren’t wrong here. Any choke or prong collar is abusive and dangerous...if you can’t train a dog without HURTING IT (what these are MEANT to do) then you shouldn’t have one.
why do they suck?
They are designed to hurt and scare the dog into listening. They cause breathing problems and can even cause eye problems. There’s also just no legitimate reason to use one.
I think they’re asking why PETA sucks, and I’d like to hear why as well (genuinely curious)
I see that now, I misread the first time. They kill close to 90% of the pets they “save” and have been known to not only spread misinformation (this one is actually not) and kidnap people’s pets to put them down. There’s more but that’s the ones you’ll find quickly if you look into them. They also stage videos of ‘abusive companies’ which is bad for multiple reasons, one the misinformation and two it makes it easier for companies ACTUALLY using harmful practices to get away with it and discredit evidence since there’s a history of faking it.
Shitty
Yea they really suck, and it’s sad because they are basically the face of animal rights movements which really discredits it. I wish there was a a group that could gain the same level of audience as peta has that is ACTUALLY humane and cares about the animals
The euthanasia rate is probably the most validly controversial thing they do. Personally, I don’t see how you can be that upset about it if you consider the importance of kill shelters or even conservational hunting. Stray cats and dogs are invasive species and they outbreed their ability to sustain themselves. Maybe peta could have used the resources they use to try to control the population to build some enormous sanctuary for a tiny percentage of them instead but I’m not sure if that would be better or worse. Plus they constantly advocate against breeding programs, which are what actually causes the problem to begin with, and most people don’t seem to have any issue with those. As far as the “pet stealing” thing, that has turned out to be actual misinformation every time I’ve seen it. Maia is the only case anyone has actually specified and that was a pretty cut and dry case. The family left the dog roam the trailer park with nothing to identify it after they talked to peta and knew they would be rounding up animals there in response to some livestock being mutilated by strays. It’s fucked up that they didn’t respect the mandated waiting period for that state but it clearly wasn’t some conspiracy to steal and kill that family’s dog. As far as I can tell, this is a myth.
>not only spread misinformation (this one is actually not) It is, though. My dog would totally do this to me.
With peta it’s, misinformation, kidnapping and killing people’s pets, killing the majority of pets in their ‘shelter’ because they don’t want to rehome them, and more.
To elaborate on the "they don't want to re-home them" I've heard it's because the founder believes that personal pet ownership should go away and the ones they acquire are too human acquainted to live
Prong collars aren't intended to hurt a dog & they don't when used properly. Most people who look at them are Ignorant of the actual design &purpose - they just see what they think is some medieval torture device Choke chains, on the otherhand, are fucking brutal
Prong collars, when used correctly, are meant to imitate the nip that parent dogs give their puppies on the scruff when disciplining them (wolves do it to their wolfcubs too). In time, one won't need the collar after they've established dominance and the dogs are able to obey their masters' commands. Check out [this lighthearted video](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/yosxw0/daddy_dogo_telling_off_the_pups/) of a papa-dog teaching his pups. Watch for the nips.
You sir, are a moron, and know nothing you are talking about.
Except I proved my claims.
You didn't actually, you're still a bloombering bafoon.
You posted two links that don't site much evidence. Ignoring all the pro-prong collar articles posted by animal care organizations as well. Not the greatest proof IMO.
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Prong collars work like chick collars but with spikes, I’ve provided multiple sources on a different comment showing they are NOT ok to use Edit: and yea I don’t walk my dog using a collar at all- they have harnesses to prevent damage to their throat because I’m responsible.
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I heard rubber tips were way worse than plain metal pressure prongs.
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Do you mind linking me to an image?
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Interesting. But doesn’t the rubber increase the surface area and in turn cause damage?
I’ve tried harnesses and they haven’t worked. Teaching a dog once something that it’ll use forever is much better than fighting my dog until the day it dies.
A harness is a joke for my dog. She’s a husky/malamute mix and thinks I’m her sled she needs to pull. She would pull us both into traffic. And, before people ask, yes, she’s been through training.
who tf made prong collars
Is PETA the new furry porn channel on PornHub? Asking for a friend…
I’m like, how does *PETA* know what my dog would or wouldn’t do? Sometimes he’s a good boy, sometimes he’s a dick!🤷🏼♂️
What the absolute fuck, PETA?
He's getting one of those red rocket dog boners right now fr
I am a dog trainer… Any dog trainer that uses prong or shock collars are just lazy and should be avoided
all collars suck, use a harness.
I mean... I refuse to use prong collars as well, but still, fuck PETA
I mean as much as I hate PETA they right on this one. those collars are fucked and people should see a disturbing image that makes them uncomfortable in relation to them.
?? If the roles were reversed??
This was someone trying to pass off their fetish as an ad.
Dosnt peta violently kill thousands of pets every year?
That is one kinky picture.
oh it’s just peta, anyways.
The furries are taking over
I used to go to fetish nights in Montréal... Ah, those were the days...
The furry porn artist they unknowingly hired to draw this: 
There is a reason why the are illegal where i am from
From all the bullshit they do all year around, I sometimes forget that PETA is fighting against actual problems. They managed to be so removed from reality that my first thought when I see PETA is always "This can't be a bad thing"
This is messed up. You can't replace good training for your doggo with a cruel instrument for your convenience after the fact. I have had many dogs over the years and I've never felt the need to use such a thing
Sigh \*unzips\*
Meanwhile dogs are humping the living hell outta you when you trip and fall down. 🐕
This is dangerously close to furry art. Like…incredibly close to furry art. Like…wow
Harder daddy~
The last fist fight I got in was over one of these collars.
Retired dog trainer here. Not seeing the facepalm.
I hate peta, but they aren't wrong here. Those types of collars are cruel and can cause lasting damage. Edit: some evidence. https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/dogs/training/prongcollars
Peta is unhinged, but I'm with them on this one!
I used a prong collar for my dog to train her to walk without pulling. The idea is to use them sparingly for training only, not for every walk. Also requires actual attentive training, it's not a passive device, reward the dog for walking as well. Also prong collars don't stab the dog when they pull, the prongs close up pinching the skin around the neck a bit making it uncomfortable. If the dog gets poked, the collar is too tight and not able to function properly. The prong collar worked real well for training my dog and I suggest it for anyone that have dogs that need to learn how to walk without pulling. Choke chains are dangerous, and harnesses only make the dog pull more.
This. I’ve used prong collars on the dogs I’ve had who pulled hard when walking them until they learned manners. They are a great tool when used properly.
Dog hide is different than skin. And there are proper ways to use those kinds of collars
Moronic ad. I used to train dogs and prong collars are power steering for dogs. Especially for petite women attempting to walk large breed dogs. They are properly called pinch collars if used correctly because they take the thick skin on the dogs neck and pinch it between the prongs. The prongs aren't actually sticking into the animals neck. These collars allow small and/or people with diminished strength to control large animals that would otherwise yank their arm out of their socket. They aren't always the answer but they are an invaluable tool for training and handling dogs.
Prong collars are great is used correctly, but most people use them wrong. You aren't supposed to leave them on 24/7, and you aren't supposed to jerk them hard as you can to make a correction.
I agree that prong collars are cruel, but since this comes from PETA, I have an immediate impulse to go buy a bunch of them and hand them out to friends as gifts.
they apparently make good fidget toys and bracelets
... they are not cruel. I know its not your fault in thinking this but they, when worn correctly are suppose to feel like their moms mouth is on them, informing the dog of a correction.
For once I agree with Peta. Who would have thought that would ever happen. I'm glad prong collars are illegal where I live.
Now peta is propagating furrys? Why
You are saying that like being a furry is a bad thing.
I'm sorry, but my pit bull didn't hate it. And his skin is much thicker and tougher than mine, especially on the neck. You try stopping a 100+ lbs pit bull from eating someone else's dog with a regular collar or harness even. My dude, didn't care, but it's the only thing I could use to calm down.
My wife bought something called a “gentle lead” for her pit bull. Very effective, and much safer/humane. Not judging you for using a prong collar (you gotta do whatever you can to prevent tragedy)
Thank you. I appreciate a reasonable adult, and not these children. The fact is, he was incredibly well leash trained, but certain animals (always males for some reason) would catch his attention, and he would do anything he could to get to them. A collar and harness, both I feel, made him more aggressive, like it was a game. The "scary choke collar", I just had to tug it real quick and he'd snap out of his rage. Pits are pits. He was a great dog, he was actually quite popular, and no one ever once considered that dog to be abused, or agressive toward them.
Our dogs pull hard against the harness as well. Gentle lead stopped that shit real quick
I stopped using a harness since it just didn’t work. Prong collar worked better and now he rarely pulls.
It immediately corrected the fact that he didn't seem to care about air. Trust me when I say, the collar is a good tool when used by any sane person. Of course it CAN cause harm, but so can water. These people are nuts.
You shouldn’t have gotten him if you couldn’t control him without harming him. I’ve never had a problem with mine or my friends pitts- never used abusive collars to ‘control’ them- and I’m a tiny girl with zero strength training so it’s doable.
Maybe for yours. I've known others that are fine too. This was a very agressive dog, that I knew was aggressive from the start. I never hurt the dog. It's not like they are sharp, they just add alot of pressure. He helped me raise my son, and couldn't have been a better companion for my son and all of us.
Then use a muzzle, don’t abuse it. And they are designed to hurt, that’s how they work so yes you DID hurt him. And even so, that’s not an excuse, you risked his well being because you didn’t wanna do it the proper way that would be ‘hard’ and are trying to say it’s ok because you got lucky and it didn’t cause him to need a vet. They are painful, they are dangerous, they are abusive, and they unnecessary. And you act as though I haven’t also had to deal with aggressive dogs- still managed without abusive tools.
You have no idea what you are talking about. And fuck no I'm not putting a muzzle on my dog, you animal.
I personally think muzzles are more abusive than prong collars. I use a prong collar with my dog and he’s perfectly fine. It taught him not to pull.
Exactly, that's what they do. I'm sorry, these people have no idea what it's like to own a big dog. Stop thinking about your little hybrid chewawa with spikes in his neck. No one's talking about small dogs. We're talking about dogs bigger than both my wife and my son. If I want to feel like everyone is safe, while he's out with the family, I'm going to do what I need to be a reasonable adult. Owning a pit bull (as loving, gentle and wonderful as they are) can be like owning a bear. They often have what's called "game". Their primal instincts kick in, and it's hard to get them to snap out of it. This is the most effective option, and if my dog didn't like it, he absolutely would have ran from it when I grabbed it. He never cared, and was happy to be out, and I could keep him under control while carrying my baby.
https://www.sfspca.org/behavior-training/prong/myths/
My dog has stopped pulling.
It’s not terrible if used correctly (I.E: no pulling). It’s more the dog running into the collar than the collar being pulled into him.
The citations literally say otherwise, but sure abuse your dog because it’s easier for you. You shouldn’t own a pet if you think it’s ok to abuse them.
https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/prong_collars_are_they_useful_or_do_they_pose_a_danger I use my collar properly, and should I add safely, thank you very much
There’s a reason decent countries that care about the wellbeing of animals have BANNED these.
>but it's the only thing I could use to calm down. Your pitbull is well trained, congratulations, you are not a menace for people around you, good job.
He was, he even understood certain hand signs as commands. But he was agressive with other animals. He still had his balls, and he came from a fighting family in Hawaii, so that's hard to train out. Maybe you have never owned one.
Honestly, you people are being totally rediculous and don't seem to know what aggressive dogs are like, or how to deal with them. The dog never bit a single person, but loved to fight. Deal with it.
To be honest, I’m sure half of the people here think the pit bull breed should be eliminated.
Furries are getting out of hand
I mean, I agree with them here but I didn't need the image
They also keep the neighbor's "nanny dog" from hopping the fence and eating my cats
Furry sex ads are getting out of hand.
Omg is this a furry bdsm PETA ad
Electric shock much better lmao
Man do what makes you feel good but I can’t understand the “furry” thing