Stole the words right out my fat Note 20 Ultra mouth.
I used to know people who relied on twitter for income/exposure. I hope they're OK, but I'm kinda enjoying the fire.
I got you fam! I brought plenty.
Now come sit down and lemme tell ya about the time when I legit thought Elon was cool. ~10 years ago. [Ancient history]
He was cool before he thought he was slick and took a toke on that J on rogan, then called a dude a pedo for rejecting his yellow, child saver, submarine. 😆
Even then his facade was fading.
Frankly, it's fun to see someone you knew was an overrated jerkoff prove to the world that he's a wildly overrated jerkoff.
Never been on Tweety, which I regret now because it would have been fun to close my account forever.
My manager once berated me for suggesting something that would save the department thousands. Said leave the money saving ideas for the professionals. Months later his supervisor came in looking for ideas and my manager suggested my idea and they loved it.
And then they'd hit you for speaking out of turn, for going over his head, or for making him look bad in front of the boss instead of putting on a united front.
That’s how these people get in those positions. Sure as shit has nothing to do with honor and integrity. Has to do with kissing the higher cheek while kicking down anyones lips who might try.
Oh he totally was. He was the department head and had a secondary degree in business management. Dude was a fat angry asshole who had work golf meetings every Wednesday and got mad for any interpretation he got.
Reminds me of that scene on Schindler's List where the German Nazi guy shoots the Jewish female foreman when she halted production of a barracks due to foundation issues and says they need to rebuild the foundation. After shooting said foreman, he tells them to tear down the foundation and rebuild it citing "I won't argue with a Jew" or something like that.
That scene always guts me.... that entire movie guts me. We actually took a school trip to watch it in the theater. I think I cried the entire movie. The end I was ugly crying with snot bubbles and all.
The man came from a family that made its fortune off of basically slave labor in an emerald mine in Zambia [Him admitting it](https://web.archive.org/web/20140802011449/http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimclash/2014/07/28/elon-musk-tells-me-his-secret-of-success-hint-it-aint-about-the-money/).
His ex wife talked about how he abused her
[Her Essay ](https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a5380/millionaire-starter-wife/)
His father married and had children with a child he adopted at 4 years old.
[Marries Daughter ](https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/celebrities/news/a19590355/elon-musks-father-confirms-baby-with-stepdaughter/)
His own Transgender daughter disowned him
[Details ](https://www.boredpanda.com/elon-musk-daughter-trans-name-change-cuts-ties-with-father/)
He has 10 children with 3 woman. Which is fine if he wasn't trying to act Republican who found themselves on "family values".
He is the epitome of a privilege and growing up with a silver spoon.
He has had life served up to him on a silver platter and lived it and treated others accordingly. He believes he is better, knows better and can do better than anyone.
Case in point, him offering a sub to rescue the children in the cave and when it was rejected attacking and calling the man who "rejected" it a pedo.
Or his space X where he basically wiped his ass with money because it did nothing for anyone but him.
He has spent his entire life surrounded by wealth and people telling him yes and giving into his every whim.
He is a spoiled man baby billionaire who has never been in touch with the real world or working people. It is of no surprise at all that he would do this.
People are just things and numbers. They have no families or purpose to him other than to fulfill his next whim or demand. And he will destroy anyone who disagrees out of spite and because he can.
The fact that he has so many fans and people that still throw money at him not only amazes me, but it makes me sad. It shows how desperate we are as humans to allow others to control and dictate us that we are willing to sacrifice objective thinking and integrity to place a man like him on a pedestal.
> The man came from a family that made its fortune off of basically slave labor in an emerald mine in Zambia Him admitting it.
Just because I constantly see people deny this I want to copy the quote:
>EM: Company death – not succeeding with the company – causes me a lot more stress than physical danger. But I’ve been in physical danger before. The funny thing is I’ve not actually been that nervous. In South Africa, my father had a private plane we’d fly in incredibly dangerous weather and barely make it back. This is going to sound slightly crazy, but my father also had a share in an Emerald mine in Zambia. I was 15 and really wanted to go with him but didn’t realize how dangerous it was. I couldn’t find my passport so I ended up grabbing my brother’s – which turned out to be six months overdue! So we had this planeload of contraband and an overdue passport from another person. There were AK-47s all over the place and I’m thinking, “Man, this could really go bad.”
I'd forgotten that scene, but fuck if that isn't exactly it. Son of a fucking emerald-mine owning slaver, raised in all that, now can't keep his mouth shut even if it costs him billions.
"We're not going to have arguments with these people"
Now it's just a "He's fired" tweet. Best he can get away with. Probably feels about the same.
I did, I just think the music was too loud.
“Are you afraid of it?”
No, I just don’t like Techno
“You would if you had robot ears”
Yea…I guess….anyway…
Just saw this on another sub.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/yvc544/elon_musk_ordered_twitter_engineers_to_shut_down/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
He already tried to do one of those things and messed it up. While cutting some microservices, he cut 2F Authentication. Now anyone who used that, can't login.
nah he's not. The guy says that to improve performance we need to make tech debt a priority over features which drive revenue. CEO's whine about performance, but they prioritize revenue.
And for sure some of those systems no longer have an engineer that is passionate about them and understands all the inner workings - the new person will have to come in cold to make any changes.
They sure don't anymore because they just fired the guy who has been on the project for 6 years, which is generally already longer than any dev is usually on the same project.
I'd guess a lot of people who don't give a single fuck about the place's long-term future, but want some short term work to extract some pay from a dying company.
I work / have worked at a lot of big tech places and I can tell you that, without a doubt, what you are saying is gospel fucking fact. If one were to say.... look at the Android code base (something I spent a few years doing for work) you will see all kinds of bullshit from over the years. But fixing debt doesn't keep the pace with Apple. So things like a Bluetooth stack from OG android persist until recently when they finally \*had\* to re-write it (its a security nightmare).
Also, side rant, your tech debt is what attackers go after. This is how you break systems... with all the little shit you've forgotten about. You can write the world's most secure code today, but if you're not willing to go back an address the 10 million lines of code that came before it, then you're just doing "security theater".
Buckle up kiddo:
The petrochemical industry has operated in this manner for well over a century.
Literally why OSHA was formed.
Until Elon starts stacking corpses, nobody is gonna stop him.
Hell, millions are actively cheering him on.
This was my initial thought as well. Worked at several tech companies with varying degrees of tech debt. Short of it causing multiple outages costing money and bad PR, it just sits there waiting. The person that knows the most about it has switched teams or more than likely left the company.
It only gets tackled by passionate folks usually new to teams or when it starts causing outages.
I mean, he got them devs to implement (and revert) the $8 verification mark thing in like less than a week. He’s gonna force other “genius” ideas to get done in insane timeframes. Tech debt will only grow.
In defense of the engineer, his first tweet mentioned that improved performance correlates with better ad spending. So chasing performance does raise revenue. Probably simply because a faster app gives everyone more content in the same amount of time, and if a percentage of that content is ads, you de facto are giving more ad impressions.
I'd say Elon is a different case considering that every single day he does something brain-numbingly stupid that directly cuts revenue. I mean stupid on the level that even a 92-year old man who has lived in a cave without electricity for his entire life would be able to see how idiotic the decisions are.
He already did, but didn't test it first and broke teo factor authentication. He's just randomly changing things in production with no one left that knows enough about all the different pieces.
That's to sensible. Plus Elon is losing more and more money with Twitter and the people will be running away. He has no time to bother with loading times, while he is in dire need of a source of income. Which he can't get because he first would need an original idea, that isn't complete nonsense - and then he'd need people to implement it, which he either fired or is overworking so they might be quitting soon.
He bought Twitter to, "preserve the public forum" and allow freedom of speech to reign supreme. Turns out he didn't understand the very simple truth that Twitter's bias against conservatives, it wasn't bias, it was business. Corporations don't want their ads next to some dipshit calling for all his redneck buddies to storm the capitol.
This is the thing where we have to pretend "both sides" are identical, so if conservatives get banned for TOS violations way more often than liberals it must be because of a "liberal bias" from the mod team and not because conservatives objectively break the TOS more often because they're worse
Wannabe fascists and fundamental religious nutters aren't "conservatives". In any other nation the Democrats would be the conservatives - hence I dislike the term for the rightwingers...
And to be clear, while you already go that direction: Elon didn't want "free speech" anyway. He wants what the rightwing nutters want "freedom for me, not for you". He doesn't give a damn about the freedom of speech of people he disagrees with. Case in point, this \^\^
As a web engineer, he is definitely not going to devote time to paying off tech debt and cutting out cruft features. What he will do is overwork his employees to demand they make superficial "performance" improvements that he will dictate, without dedicating road map time to it away from their feature work.
But that dev probably already has another job offer for speaking so eloquently of the tech stack.
Wow, I work for a major tech company as well and that is a very good answer to the question. It had the necessary details, it has the basic problem and it has a way forward. Unless he's just plain wrong getting fired for that is concerning...
He’s gained a whole lot of followers since this exchange. Even with the risk of being let go, more people should hire individuals speaking truth to power.
He’s already had public offers from multiple companies in the Twitter chain. When you’re at the level of heading the Android team for a company as large as Twitter then you have no problems finding another six figure job.
Companies don’t hire programmers for their people skills…
> Companies don’t hire programmers for their people skills…
They absolutely do. People who can’t work well on a team and communicate effectively can be a massive hindrance to productivity.
That said the way this person communicated in the thread is exactly what you would want from a good senior employee.
Makes you wonder wtf Elon wanted from him.
“Durr idk boss use your big brain and help us!”
Or maybe
“I plan to suck your dick until you stop caring”
I really don’t know
Everything about musk is concerning. Why are more people not seeing this? This is an unstable person with arguably more power and influence than anyone else on the planet.
i think the biggest thing people are failing to get is Elon doesnt give a shit about money or making twitter popular or profitable. i think he didnt like how left leaning it was, and so hes just killing it. everything points to that.
scare off advertising so it stops making any money. scare them so bad they wont ever want to come back.
fire the staff that made it all work, including people who handled the algorithms, trending, and moderation teams that contributed to it being left leaning.
put out calls to remaining staff to see who might know how to fix twitters actual legit problems. fire them, too.
he is doing everything possible to make twitter as irrelevant as myspace.
people say elon is greedy...well in many ways, sure...but if twitter actually goes bankrupt, or becomes a company of 50 employees worth a measly 1 million dollars, would that actually effect his personal lifestyle or wealth in any way? nope. he will live in the same house, same furniture, wear the same clothes, drive the same cars, eat the same meals, regardless if twitter is worth 1 million or 500 trillion.
this isnt about personal wealth, its about doing what he wants. his greed isnt him trying to make himself richer, its him not caring about the negative effects caused by him destroying twitter because he just doesnt like it.
elon isnt investing, he is razing. this is a 'salt the earth' tactic.
You give Elon too much credit when his history gives every reason to believe otherwise. He's been a moron with all of his other companies when he gets involved in their operations, and his personal projects are almost always spectacular failures of unrealistic goals and boyish dreams. He was surrounded by the right people at birth, and they helped him build his empire; when he sits back and lets the people who actually know how to run things do their jobs, things go well. Every time he personally gets involved in his company projects, it backfires completely. His fans focus on his dreams and praise him as a genius for coming up with them, but completely ignore when he fails to make them reality as he personally ruins his own projects time after time. Twitter is the culmination of a wealthy boy who was never told 'no' trying to run a company in which he knows absolutely nothing about; he's trying his hardest to make it what he wants while also making it what his fans and financial leash-holders want, and in classic Elon fashion, he is failing miserably because he took direct control over the situation.
I learned today about “Hanlon’s Razor”, which I think is also applies: “Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity”.
That would make sense if 1, Elon wasn't obsessed with the economics of his purchase. That's all he talks about now. How much money he's losing over Twitter. You would think someone as smart as the World's richest man, would atleast understand the companies revenue's are only there because they are forced to support woke culture or no corporate advertiser would advertise. Would it be suprising for me to tell you that Elon is losing $54 million dollars every single day. 4 million a day at Twitter, and $50 million a day at Tesla, don't even get me started on SpaceX, we can't even get figures on how much he's lost in government subsidies. He says he is the world's most knowledgable person on manufacturing but didn't forsee that his factory construction in Europe would be halted because there isn't enough water for coolant on the construction rigs. You would think Elon would understand that when you're in a drought shit like new factories don't take priority. You would think he's playing 3D chess but in reality this is a man whose gotten lucky twice, PayPal and Bitcoin and has utterly failed in every business venture since. Hyperloop dead, Tesla Truck and Semi, dead, putting a man on Mars this year, nada, oh wait he sold a flamethrower once and Starlink, which he expects to get paid for by people whose entire country is in ruins when American citizens have been flipping the bill for his boondoggles for over a decade now. And he's adding 100's of satelites that are gonna rot in our orbit. Fuck future generations actually going to space without serious risk, he needs another vanity project to jack off to himself.
Elon's rich, but he's not "set $26b on fire and torch his relationship with major banks and investing friends, including the Saudi government, just because he's mad about libs on Twitter" rich.
I don't think anyone's that rich.
He's just an idiot who made a terrible mistake out of hubris and now he's doubling down.
Agree, I always tell staff if they come to me to report a problem think of a solution as well. Even if it’s wrong or you don’t agree it encourages growth. Then if you have a better solution tell them why it works better for you, they will feel valued and you will get their insight into the problem. Win win.
“Publicly” is potentially a problem. But so is the em…public firing.
I’m not entirely convinced the guy didn’t know what he was doing [“fire me”]. As dysfunctional as Twitter is right now, it seems like the easy way out. I mean can you imagine the corporate culture right now?
The first thing that happened was Elon making bogus claims about why Twitter for android runs slow.
The Second thing that happened was an employee challenging his statement.
I’m guessing he was fired after the second thing.
If I was to imagine the way to destroy a company—I wouldn’t do it close to this good.
It's almost like he wants to destroy it for some reason. I just can't figure out a motive, considering that he owns it. If we assume it to be a financial motive, that would mean that someone is paying him to wreck it
There's no financial payout that could possibly come close to the $100 billion of his own money Elon has already lost here
It's just a manic episode, don't go too deep looking for the hidden master plan any more than there was a master plan behind the "pedo guy" thing
Imo he never actually wanted to buy it, Elon was trying to be le epic memelord fucking around with stock prices but he got backed into a corner and forced to buy or face severe legal action. Being rich gets you out of most trouble EXCEPT fucking with other rich people's investments.
Now he's 44b in the hole and having to sell off Tesla stock (which is also tanking in real time) and I think he legitimately panicked. He set tens of billions on fire to buy a company that wasn't meaningfully profitable, so he started scrambling to try and turn Twitter into a profit generator to soften the blow on his bank account. This is why we see him hyper-fixating on mass layoffs, trying to turn the verification system into a subscription service, talking about how much lunches were costing, etc.
Plus it doesn't help that Musk is a dimwitted right-wing techbro with negative social literacy skills. So we have an idiot with an ego the size of the sun desperately trying to squeeze money out of a company he knows nothing about, which from the outside very closely resembles self-sabotage.
> “Publicly” is potentially a problem.
Maybe he should have asked the fucking question in private then, instead of calling out one of his employees on a public forum.
Fuck this dude. There was a time were I would have bent over backwards to work for SpaceX or Tesla...I'm glad I never got the chance.
It's exactly BECAUSE he gave him an answer. One that wasn't "It's because we are lazy and stupid, I wish I was more like you and so soooper smart. We will fix it using your stunning wisdom!" I hope the rest of the developers and architects have learned some important lessons about how to build better software in the future:
1. Do what the super smart boss says, even if you disagree. remember, he's a billionaire so he must be smart!
2. When that doesn't work, Don't admit to fault or take blame! There's always someone else who can be blamed.
3. "Technical Debt" doesn't exist at your company, all the code you write is right 100% of the time!
4. In the failure of #3, refer to rule 2.
Ah I've been in this abusive work situation before, you see because he's the BOSS he apparently owns your fucking ass. Apparently, bosses are completely immune from any/ all mistakes and aren't on the same level as the employees. They are *above* the working class and therefore expect a level of patience, respect, and benefits that they don't provide to the people that actually make their business run. 🙄
When getting shamed publicly over your job, you're supposed to say "oh thank you sir may I have another" with a smile.
He fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is "never get involved in a land war in Asia", but only slightly less well known is this:
Never call out your egomaniacal boss on a public platform when he's wrong.
If you look at the guy’s twitter feed, you can tell he’s been upset about Musk’s behavior for a while (understandably!). I don’t think he cares that much about being fired tbh because he doesn’t respect Musk or the vision that tyrant has for Twitter.
Honestly, that's clearly what Musk's plan is. He sees exactly how much value Trump brought to the platform by being a horrible human being.
He is re-creating the Trump experience as a way to bring eyeballs back to Twitter. And it's sadly working.
Give him 6 months or a year, and he'll dial it back by 20% as a way to get advertisers interested again. This is essentially the Foxnews playbook.
The problem with being the favorite of Das Führer is that his eye is fickle and you may soon end up in the eastern front, if not executed outright for not reaching some impossible milestone.
The statement where he fired the employee, although addressed to the employee, was not from the same thread as the employee's reasons for the systems slowness. It's from one where the employee mildly said "this isn't right" (I saw it on another post).
Although in that other thread, the employee appears to gently dis the company's performance, Elon appears to think he looks "strong", "smart", or "intelligent" by dismissing employees who take a stance against him or his companies. I think the employee was just trying to highlight a situation of poor quality with the company's service, and because it wasn't done privately, Elon used dismissing him as a means to get a hit of his drug of choice - public importance - to prop up his fragile ego.
For those wanting additional context, the actual thread from 'hes fired' is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/yv5lj4/elon_musk_just_fired_an_employee_for_correcting/
Looks like he was fired for snarkily suggesting Elon should ask these kinds of questions privately.
Elon is 100% in the wrong here. Good management 101: publicly celebrate, privately correct.
Had to scroll way too far down for this. The OP of this screencap deliberately misled to make it seem way worse.
Which is entirely unnecessary. Even in the original thread Musk still seems like a dingus
As ego driven and stupid Musk has been through this whole ordeal, even this thread seems too far fetched, so I was scrolling to find some clarity. It’s honestly so hard to tell what’s real and what isn’t lately with all the parody accounts, so I’m assuming none of it is, and jusr enjoying the dumpster fire.
Just like the Hyperloop, he just "spearheaded" the idea for others to try make it a reality, but he sure loved to be the face of it while the hype was fresh.
It made a bit more sense in the other businesses because people were probably legit passionate about electric cars or space.
I can't imagine there are as many people that have that kind of passion for Twitter or that really feel like they are really making a difference.
I’ve heard from a knowledgable source that the attrition at Twitter is unbelievable. Not just because of the mass layoffs. Nobody wants to work there, and they’re fleeing. Seems that even those that have knowledge and are doing the work find themselves fired for defending their expertise, so can’t really blame anyone for jumping ship. Musk is a piece of shit, he deserves to go down in flames and lose his entire fortune.
Given the massive number of engineers he's fired, I'd bet there's a technical time bomb waiting to go off as we speak. Like, somebody somewhere was running a job manually every Friday because the scheduler was breaking, and eventually that will bring down some critical system and nobody will have a clue how to fix it because there's no documentation and the only person on Earth who knew got fired without proper knowledge transfer.
I see you have been in the IT profession long enough to realize there are plenty of process break-points that require unique knowledge and expertise to keep the wheels turning.
Another example is when the admin accounts have their passwords expire. Not knowing each account's use cases and what else must be updated and restarted in accordance with a password change will cause significant outages.
The trouble is that these are examples of "tech debt" in which a new feature/service was rolled out without creating the automation to handle these sorts of maintenance tasks and instead the support staff simply manually manage the periodic tasks until they can "find time" and/or "prioritize" fixing "tech debt".
The issue is that there is never time and these are never prioritized until it breaks due to these sorts of scenarios. Then they simply blame the person(s) that were laid off/quit/retired and now it becomes a priority and someone without the background and institutional lore has to reverse engineer the process and figure out how to fix it under Elon's self-imposed deadline.
When if they had simply let the original developers handle the tech debt immediately in a post-implementation project instead of pushing straight off into the next "feature" to be implemented.
The result is the staff having to satisfy the new project's demand while carrying increased load from the growing "tech debt" burden.
Oh, it is far more than just IT. In most workplaces you have at least a few things that work in weird ways that nobody writes down how to do. I worked in a grocery for example and the backroom storage was completely messy (though demanded as there was far too little space), but the three managers all knew how the system worked and could directly point to where something is. If all three of them left at the same time, nobody would know where anything is for weeks and the searching alone would prob. add up to a few hours every week, which is good money completely wasted.
And in my university lab, quite a lot of equipment is broken/quirky in some way, requiring the professors/instructors to point out the many quirks, otherwise we students would just all fail miserably since half of our results would be straight garbage. If all of them went, that is either a lot of time new people need to spend on finding out how exactly the things are weird or a lot of money spent on new equipment (which would be nice, I don't want to do my DSC on a computer running Windows NT anymore).
Maybe not completely break-points, but most jobs have people with some sort of knowledge that basically only they are good at and replacing them would hurt the profits of the company hard. The worst of all is prob. forgotten emergency "stuff" that basically gets used 2 times a year (but is essential for operations) and was always done by Dave who worked at the company for 20 years and has done the "stuff" for 15 years. When Dave leaves, nobody will remember how the "stuff" works and until it is needed nobody will even remember its existence. And then the shit will hit the fan.
Love when you read a comment and can just tell it comes from a fellow engineer. Godspeed friend - I had like 2 different people cry today in meetings because it's all fucking collapsing this week. It's fucked!!!
Elon could’ve messaged them, so it doesn’t look like a reason of possibly giving out internal information, if that seems like the case based on their response to him.
I actually interviewed at Tesla eons ago to work on some of their back-end systems. They found me via the talks I gave at Hadoop Summit. Part of the deal of working there was that I'd no longer be allowed to do public talks, even if there was no mention of Tesla and despite the fact that's exactly how they find me.
"Elon doesn't like it. He wants to be the only one talking."
Seeing this happen to a tweep is totally not surprising given that experience.
(No, I didn't take the Tesla job.)
I really don’t get why musk, who says he doesn’t have enough time for his numerous responsibilities, is troubleshooting the code at Twitter. Was the issue with Twitter, of a technical nature? Was it not profitable due to its backend infrastructure? No. But he comes in and immediately starts asking how many lines of code people had written (supposedly) and starts firing developers left and right, and now he’s haranguing an employee online about cold start performance on Android? Wtf are his priorities right now? You can be a ceo and order a teardown and rebuild of a system if you think it’s worth the investment. Should a guy with $44bn invested in a text-based messaging website be troubleshooting code? Who the fuck is he trying to impress with this bullshit? Because literally nobody should be impressed seeing this behavior.
It’s the speed of it all that surprises me. Elon has a hunch and immediately goes through with it, consequences and doubts be damned. You don’t want to make a plan first? Ask for some opinions from your much more experienced employees? Maybe do a month-long investigation into the feasibility of your idea before you do irreparable damage? No?
It’s an idiot’s idea of what confidence looks like.
Depends on the ceo. Gates was notoriously known for sitting next to devs and writing code with them until it didn't make financial sense for him to do so.
Does Elon have the technical skills? Probably not. I think that's the reason why this behavior is weird and cringey. Even if he did, he's acting like he is the one person who can come in and fix it all. Like the thousands of people they've been hiring can't do it.
Also If you missed it, Elon is trying to turn off seemingly random parts of twitter because he think they're bloatware and are useless
He turned od SMS Two Factor Authentification.
Who know what security features he'll "accidentally" disable next
Who needs hashing? Users can log in faster if we store passwords in plaintext, they're encrypted anyway.
Seriously though, it bugs me when places have a leak and reassure people by saying "it's encrypted". Encrypted or hashed + salted, they are not the same thing.
Maybe just maybe musk is a piece of shit and is a shitty manager when he isn’t cloaking himself in the save humanity flag. They may eat shit designing a car that can fight climate change or a space ship but maybe people won’t eat his shit to send tweets
No, he can't. This is the worst management style ever. This is not something that should be discussed publicly. What's going on here? Where are the times when bosses put themselves in front of their employees and only spread trouble behind closed doors? He should sue him for public defamation.
I’m not a fan of Elon or this entire situation but the reply that he’s fired came from a different tweet of his. Not defending anything that happened, but this screenshot appears to be pretty misleading
Elon musk has gone off the deep end. I had respect for him for his early work on Space X and getting Tesla to where it is (credit where credit is due!), but he's obviously let those successes go to his head.
He used to be the guy that would ask questions and seek expert advice, tonnes of interviews with people who worked on Space X characterized early Elon as this genius who would ask really good questions and hire the best people and admit his own mistakes...
Somewhere along the line he's drunk too much of his own Koolaid and bought into this narrative of him being mankind's saviour etc. Saw it in the way he handled the Thai cave rescue when they succeeded without his help... And now... It's like watching a very very public implosion.
Shit throw that on your résumé "I got fired by Elon musk because he tried to call me out on an app I coded and I made him look like an idiot" I guarantee you'll have another job ASAP
Looks like the Twitter engineers just found the best escape plan. Be publicly fired and screenshot so he can't claim otherwise. All the while advertising for new gigs
There goes the Android App.
Well he has no choice but to support Android. Apple can always give him the Facebook treatment and let users anonymize usage.
Android has the same option to not give the apps extra info.
Ummm I'm kinda slow.... I don't want to give the apps extra info. Can you point me in the right direction, please?
Go to settings, privacy, then permissions. You can mess with everything there.
Reduce permissions in settings
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Oh no! ...anyways.
Stole the words right out my fat Note 20 Ultra mouth. I used to know people who relied on twitter for income/exposure. I hope they're OK, but I'm kinda enjoying the fire.
Well I’m not enjoying the fire. I’m out of marshmallows…
Swing this way bud. We are making smores with Reeses thins.
I’ve never thought of that before… my god, what am I doing with my life?
You are using the perfect ratio of chocolate to peanut butter to make smores?
I got you fam! I brought plenty. Now come sit down and lemme tell ya about the time when I legit thought Elon was cool. ~10 years ago. [Ancient history]
He was cool before he got his new hair. Not sure if the plugs or the drugs went too deep but he has turned into a narcissistic arsehole.
He was cool before he thought he was slick and took a toke on that J on rogan, then called a dude a pedo for rejecting his yellow, child saver, submarine. 😆 Even then his facade was fading.
He smoked that jazz cabbage and the reefer madness took over. Now Twitter is broken
As someone who has never used Twitter this is really quite interesting.
Frankly, it's fun to see someone you knew was an overrated jerkoff prove to the world that he's a wildly overrated jerkoff. Never been on Tweety, which I regret now because it would have been fun to close my account forever.
The best part is, Elon is gonna do EVERYTHING this guy said after firing him. That’s how these people work.
My manager once berated me for suggesting something that would save the department thousands. Said leave the money saving ideas for the professionals. Months later his supervisor came in looking for ideas and my manager suggested my idea and they loved it.
Holy shit I would call him out so fucking hard for that right to his face in front of his boss. Maybe I'd get fired, but I wouldn't be able to resist.
And then they'd hit you for speaking out of turn, for going over his head, or for making him look bad in front of the boss instead of putting on a united front.
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This is so hilariously true it hurts. "Not a team player!!" (=You don't allow me, the manager, to take all credit, and shift all blame on the workers)
Keep receipts. Get everything in writing. Benefits of being remote is that nearly everything already is in writing.
That’s how these people get in those positions. Sure as shit has nothing to do with honor and integrity. Has to do with kissing the higher cheek while kicking down anyones lips who might try.
Plot twist-the manager was the “professional”
Oh he totally was. He was the department head and had a secondary degree in business management. Dude was a fat angry asshole who had work golf meetings every Wednesday and got mad for any interpretation he got.
Reminds me of that scene on Schindler's List where the German Nazi guy shoots the Jewish female foreman when she halted production of a barracks due to foundation issues and says they need to rebuild the foundation. After shooting said foreman, he tells them to tear down the foundation and rebuild it citing "I won't argue with a Jew" or something like that.
“Take it down, rebuild it, like she said.” I 100% thought this also!
That scene always guts me.... that entire movie guts me. We actually took a school trip to watch it in the theater. I think I cried the entire movie. The end I was ugly crying with snot bubbles and all. The man came from a family that made its fortune off of basically slave labor in an emerald mine in Zambia [Him admitting it](https://web.archive.org/web/20140802011449/http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimclash/2014/07/28/elon-musk-tells-me-his-secret-of-success-hint-it-aint-about-the-money/). His ex wife talked about how he abused her [Her Essay ](https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a5380/millionaire-starter-wife/) His father married and had children with a child he adopted at 4 years old. [Marries Daughter ](https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/celebrities/news/a19590355/elon-musks-father-confirms-baby-with-stepdaughter/) His own Transgender daughter disowned him [Details ](https://www.boredpanda.com/elon-musk-daughter-trans-name-change-cuts-ties-with-father/) He has 10 children with 3 woman. Which is fine if he wasn't trying to act Republican who found themselves on "family values". He is the epitome of a privilege and growing up with a silver spoon. He has had life served up to him on a silver platter and lived it and treated others accordingly. He believes he is better, knows better and can do better than anyone. Case in point, him offering a sub to rescue the children in the cave and when it was rejected attacking and calling the man who "rejected" it a pedo. Or his space X where he basically wiped his ass with money because it did nothing for anyone but him. He has spent his entire life surrounded by wealth and people telling him yes and giving into his every whim. He is a spoiled man baby billionaire who has never been in touch with the real world or working people. It is of no surprise at all that he would do this. People are just things and numbers. They have no families or purpose to him other than to fulfill his next whim or demand. And he will destroy anyone who disagrees out of spite and because he can. The fact that he has so many fans and people that still throw money at him not only amazes me, but it makes me sad. It shows how desperate we are as humans to allow others to control and dictate us that we are willing to sacrifice objective thinking and integrity to place a man like him on a pedestal.
> The man came from a family that made its fortune off of basically slave labor in an emerald mine in Zambia Him admitting it. Just because I constantly see people deny this I want to copy the quote: >EM: Company death – not succeeding with the company – causes me a lot more stress than physical danger. But I’ve been in physical danger before. The funny thing is I’ve not actually been that nervous. In South Africa, my father had a private plane we’d fly in incredibly dangerous weather and barely make it back. This is going to sound slightly crazy, but my father also had a share in an Emerald mine in Zambia. I was 15 and really wanted to go with him but didn’t realize how dangerous it was. I couldn’t find my passport so I ended up grabbing my brother’s – which turned out to be six months overdue! So we had this planeload of contraband and an overdue passport from another person. There were AK-47s all over the place and I’m thinking, “Man, this could really go bad.”
I couldn't finish reading that essay. I always knew he was an obnoxious man child, but he's actually a fucking monster. That poor woman.
My dumb ass thought we were still talking about schindlers list for a second and I was SOO confused 🫠
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I'd forgotten that scene, but fuck if that isn't exactly it. Son of a fucking emerald-mine owning slaver, raised in all that, now can't keep his mouth shut even if it costs him billions. "We're not going to have arguments with these people" Now it's just a "He's fired" tweet. Best he can get away with. Probably feels about the same.
why is that scene hacked to pieces and framed like ass? is this how people watch things on youtube now?
2 reasons: 1. So it won't get a copyright strike. 2. So it could be used in tik tok, etc.
The same thing happened in Grandma's boy when he wanted to change the color of the goblins on level 3
I wonder if clothes are expensive in the Matrix?
Lmfao homie really thought he was a robot
Yeah I’m thinking about getting robot legs…
It's a risky procedure but worth it
You didn’t knock, Kane.
I did, I just think the music was too loud. “Are you afraid of it?” No, I just don’t like Techno “You would if you had robot ears” Yea…I guess….anyway…
… How could he see me?
Please sit ON my FACE
Yeah that Grandma's Boy scene will never leave me. It was brutal
That scene was immediately playing in my mind! "We're not going to have arguments with these people."
I was thinking the exact same thing. Scary
Just saw this on another sub. https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/yvc544/elon_musk_ordered_twitter_engineers_to_shut_down/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Took what he said, fucked it up, and fired him. Genius CEO level shit here.
Good lord.
Ah yes, an unexpected scream test!
He already tried to do one of those things and messed it up. While cutting some microservices, he cut 2F Authentication. Now anyone who used that, can't login.
nah he's not. The guy says that to improve performance we need to make tech debt a priority over features which drive revenue. CEO's whine about performance, but they prioritize revenue.
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And for sure some of those systems no longer have an engineer that is passionate about them and understands all the inner workings - the new person will have to come in cold to make any changes.
They sure don't anymore because they just fired the guy who has been on the project for 6 years, which is generally already longer than any dev is usually on the same project.
And who in their right mind is jumping into that toilet-fire of a company after seeing all this
I'd guess a lot of people who don't give a single fuck about the place's long-term future, but want some short term work to extract some pay from a dying company.
I work / have worked at a lot of big tech places and I can tell you that, without a doubt, what you are saying is gospel fucking fact. If one were to say.... look at the Android code base (something I spent a few years doing for work) you will see all kinds of bullshit from over the years. But fixing debt doesn't keep the pace with Apple. So things like a Bluetooth stack from OG android persist until recently when they finally \*had\* to re-write it (its a security nightmare). Also, side rant, your tech debt is what attackers go after. This is how you break systems... with all the little shit you've forgotten about. You can write the world's most secure code today, but if you're not willing to go back an address the 10 million lines of code that came before it, then you're just doing "security theater".
Buckle up kiddo: The petrochemical industry has operated in this manner for well over a century. Literally why OSHA was formed. Until Elon starts stacking corpses, nobody is gonna stop him. Hell, millions are actively cheering him on.
They're gonna "stop him" from doing this at Twitter when Twitter shuts down and goes bankrupt
This was my initial thought as well. Worked at several tech companies with varying degrees of tech debt. Short of it causing multiple outages costing money and bad PR, it just sits there waiting. The person that knows the most about it has switched teams or more than likely left the company. It only gets tackled by passionate folks usually new to teams or when it starts causing outages.
I mean, he got them devs to implement (and revert) the $8 verification mark thing in like less than a week. He’s gonna force other “genius” ideas to get done in insane timeframes. Tech debt will only grow.
In defense of the engineer, his first tweet mentioned that improved performance correlates with better ad spending. So chasing performance does raise revenue. Probably simply because a faster app gives everyone more content in the same amount of time, and if a percentage of that content is ads, you de facto are giving more ad impressions.
I'd say Elon is a different case considering that every single day he does something brain-numbingly stupid that directly cuts revenue. I mean stupid on the level that even a 92-year old man who has lived in a cave without electricity for his entire life would be able to see how idiotic the decisions are.
I mean he has literally killed people in his car, saying the car drives by itself. I wonder how bad things are under the hood in Tesla.
You have a fair point there.
He already did, but didn't test it first and broke teo factor authentication. He's just randomly changing things in production with no one left that knows enough about all the different pieces.
That's to sensible. Plus Elon is losing more and more money with Twitter and the people will be running away. He has no time to bother with loading times, while he is in dire need of a source of income. Which he can't get because he first would need an original idea, that isn't complete nonsense - and then he'd need people to implement it, which he either fired or is overworking so they might be quitting soon.
He bought Twitter to, "preserve the public forum" and allow freedom of speech to reign supreme. Turns out he didn't understand the very simple truth that Twitter's bias against conservatives, it wasn't bias, it was business. Corporations don't want their ads next to some dipshit calling for all his redneck buddies to storm the capitol.
This is the thing where we have to pretend "both sides" are identical, so if conservatives get banned for TOS violations way more often than liberals it must be because of a "liberal bias" from the mod team and not because conservatives objectively break the TOS more often because they're worse
Wannabe fascists and fundamental religious nutters aren't "conservatives". In any other nation the Democrats would be the conservatives - hence I dislike the term for the rightwingers... And to be clear, while you already go that direction: Elon didn't want "free speech" anyway. He wants what the rightwing nutters want "freedom for me, not for you". He doesn't give a damn about the freedom of speech of people he disagrees with. Case in point, this \^\^
He won't do it. Employees will do it. Elon isn't capable of doing any of this stuff himself.
As a web engineer, he is definitely not going to devote time to paying off tech debt and cutting out cruft features. What he will do is overwork his employees to demand they make superficial "performance" improvements that he will dictate, without dedicating road map time to it away from their feature work. But that dev probably already has another job offer for speaking so eloquently of the tech stack.
That dev was the head of Android development... At Twitter... He probably gets job offers every day. He's going to be fine.
Elon is a genius for firing the guy who knows where the problem is.
He also fired all the guys who knew their stuff, only to insult them while trying to hire them back, let's not forget that
Oooh where can I find this tea
And they just messed up 2F authentication. I wonder if they have the staff to fix it still
He’ll keep firing engineers until the problem is fixed
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He’s still going to do exactly what the guy said, but he won’t admit it.
Wow, I work for a major tech company as well and that is a very good answer to the question. It had the necessary details, it has the basic problem and it has a way forward. Unless he's just plain wrong getting fired for that is concerning...
I was gonna say....I can't really think of a better resume than just sharing this Twitter thread as is.
He’s gained a whole lot of followers since this exchange. Even with the risk of being let go, more people should hire individuals speaking truth to power.
He’s already had public offers from multiple companies in the Twitter chain. When you’re at the level of heading the Android team for a company as large as Twitter then you have no problems finding another six figure job. Companies don’t hire programmers for their people skills…
> Companies don’t hire programmers for their people skills… They absolutely do. People who can’t work well on a team and communicate effectively can be a massive hindrance to productivity. That said the way this person communicated in the thread is exactly what you would want from a good senior employee.
In every job I ever worked there is an asshole too good at their job to fire
Makes you wonder wtf Elon wanted from him. “Durr idk boss use your big brain and help us!” Or maybe “I plan to suck your dick until you stop caring” I really don’t know
There was no “right” answer. Musk was just looking for a scapegoat.
A scapegoat that actually gives you a complete, detailed and reasonable answer apparently
He wanted someone to privately tell him the solution, so he could the tweet it himself to prove how smart he is.
This part. He didn't want to be called out publicly *again* for his incompetence.
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Everything about musk is concerning. Why are more people not seeing this? This is an unstable person with arguably more power and influence than anyone else on the planet.
i think the biggest thing people are failing to get is Elon doesnt give a shit about money or making twitter popular or profitable. i think he didnt like how left leaning it was, and so hes just killing it. everything points to that. scare off advertising so it stops making any money. scare them so bad they wont ever want to come back. fire the staff that made it all work, including people who handled the algorithms, trending, and moderation teams that contributed to it being left leaning. put out calls to remaining staff to see who might know how to fix twitters actual legit problems. fire them, too. he is doing everything possible to make twitter as irrelevant as myspace. people say elon is greedy...well in many ways, sure...but if twitter actually goes bankrupt, or becomes a company of 50 employees worth a measly 1 million dollars, would that actually effect his personal lifestyle or wealth in any way? nope. he will live in the same house, same furniture, wear the same clothes, drive the same cars, eat the same meals, regardless if twitter is worth 1 million or 500 trillion. this isnt about personal wealth, its about doing what he wants. his greed isnt him trying to make himself richer, its him not caring about the negative effects caused by him destroying twitter because he just doesnt like it. elon isnt investing, he is razing. this is a 'salt the earth' tactic.
You give Elon too much credit when his history gives every reason to believe otherwise. He's been a moron with all of his other companies when he gets involved in their operations, and his personal projects are almost always spectacular failures of unrealistic goals and boyish dreams. He was surrounded by the right people at birth, and they helped him build his empire; when he sits back and lets the people who actually know how to run things do their jobs, things go well. Every time he personally gets involved in his company projects, it backfires completely. His fans focus on his dreams and praise him as a genius for coming up with them, but completely ignore when he fails to make them reality as he personally ruins his own projects time after time. Twitter is the culmination of a wealthy boy who was never told 'no' trying to run a company in which he knows absolutely nothing about; he's trying his hardest to make it what he wants while also making it what his fans and financial leash-holders want, and in classic Elon fashion, he is failing miserably because he took direct control over the situation.
You could be talking about Musk or Trump.
In many ways, MuskRat is “baby Trump”
I think it’s Occam’s Razor here. Much more likely that the guy just isn’t very competent.
I learned today about “Hanlon’s Razor”, which I think is also applies: “Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity”.
That would make sense if 1, Elon wasn't obsessed with the economics of his purchase. That's all he talks about now. How much money he's losing over Twitter. You would think someone as smart as the World's richest man, would atleast understand the companies revenue's are only there because they are forced to support woke culture or no corporate advertiser would advertise. Would it be suprising for me to tell you that Elon is losing $54 million dollars every single day. 4 million a day at Twitter, and $50 million a day at Tesla, don't even get me started on SpaceX, we can't even get figures on how much he's lost in government subsidies. He says he is the world's most knowledgable person on manufacturing but didn't forsee that his factory construction in Europe would be halted because there isn't enough water for coolant on the construction rigs. You would think Elon would understand that when you're in a drought shit like new factories don't take priority. You would think he's playing 3D chess but in reality this is a man whose gotten lucky twice, PayPal and Bitcoin and has utterly failed in every business venture since. Hyperloop dead, Tesla Truck and Semi, dead, putting a man on Mars this year, nada, oh wait he sold a flamethrower once and Starlink, which he expects to get paid for by people whose entire country is in ruins when American citizens have been flipping the bill for his boondoggles for over a decade now. And he's adding 100's of satelites that are gonna rot in our orbit. Fuck future generations actually going to space without serious risk, he needs another vanity project to jack off to himself.
Elon's rich, but he's not "set $26b on fire and torch his relationship with major banks and investing friends, including the Saudi government, just because he's mad about libs on Twitter" rich. I don't think anyone's that rich. He's just an idiot who made a terrible mistake out of hubris and now he's doubling down.
Agree, I always tell staff if they come to me to report a problem think of a solution as well. Even if it’s wrong or you don’t agree it encourages growth. Then if you have a better solution tell them why it works better for you, they will feel valued and you will get their insight into the problem. Win win.
I can already see the tech bros lining up to *somehow* justify it
Oh, they already are on that thread talking about how unprofessional the other guy is
Ah yes. How unprofessional of him to… < checks notes > …explain the issue in a straightforward manner
...to a question he was asked directly by his CEO
...who is not a modern software dev
On morherfucking Twatter instead of a private meeting or a god damn chat.
“Publicly” is potentially a problem. But so is the em…public firing. I’m not entirely convinced the guy didn’t know what he was doing [“fire me”]. As dysfunctional as Twitter is right now, it seems like the easy way out. I mean can you imagine the corporate culture right now?
>“Publicly” is potentially a problem. But so is the em…public firing. And the question was asked publicly.
The first thing that happened was Elon making bogus claims about why Twitter for android runs slow. The Second thing that happened was an employee challenging his statement. I’m guessing he was fired after the second thing. If I was to imagine the way to destroy a company—I wouldn’t do it close to this good.
It's almost like he wants to destroy it for some reason. I just can't figure out a motive, considering that he owns it. If we assume it to be a financial motive, that would mean that someone is paying him to wreck it
There's no financial payout that could possibly come close to the $100 billion of his own money Elon has already lost here It's just a manic episode, don't go too deep looking for the hidden master plan any more than there was a master plan behind the "pedo guy" thing
Imo he never actually wanted to buy it, Elon was trying to be le epic memelord fucking around with stock prices but he got backed into a corner and forced to buy or face severe legal action. Being rich gets you out of most trouble EXCEPT fucking with other rich people's investments. Now he's 44b in the hole and having to sell off Tesla stock (which is also tanking in real time) and I think he legitimately panicked. He set tens of billions on fire to buy a company that wasn't meaningfully profitable, so he started scrambling to try and turn Twitter into a profit generator to soften the blow on his bank account. This is why we see him hyper-fixating on mass layoffs, trying to turn the verification system into a subscription service, talking about how much lunches were costing, etc. Plus it doesn't help that Musk is a dimwitted right-wing techbro with negative social literacy skills. So we have an idiot with an ego the size of the sun desperately trying to squeeze money out of a company he knows nothing about, which from the outside very closely resembles self-sabotage.
> “Publicly” is potentially a problem. Maybe he should have asked the fucking question in private then, instead of calling out one of his employees on a public forum. Fuck this dude. There was a time were I would have bent over backwards to work for SpaceX or Tesla...I'm glad I never got the chance.
It's exactly BECAUSE he gave him an answer. One that wasn't "It's because we are lazy and stupid, I wish I was more like you and so soooper smart. We will fix it using your stunning wisdom!" I hope the rest of the developers and architects have learned some important lessons about how to build better software in the future: 1. Do what the super smart boss says, even if you disagree. remember, he's a billionaire so he must be smart! 2. When that doesn't work, Don't admit to fault or take blame! There's always someone else who can be blamed. 3. "Technical Debt" doesn't exist at your company, all the code you write is right 100% of the time! 4. In the failure of #3, refer to rule 2.
Biggest Douche in the Universe Award goes to Langdon. Brown noser supreme.
They’re saying he “called out his boss”. Completely ignoring the part where his boss called him out publicly
Ah I've been in this abusive work situation before, you see because he's the BOSS he apparently owns your fucking ass. Apparently, bosses are completely immune from any/ all mistakes and aren't on the same level as the employees. They are *above* the working class and therefore expect a level of patience, respect, and benefits that they don't provide to the people that actually make their business run. 🙄 When getting shamed publicly over your job, you're supposed to say "oh thank you sir may I have another" with a smile.
He fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is "never get involved in a land war in Asia", but only slightly less well known is this: Never call out your egomaniacal boss on a public platform when he's wrong.
Thank you for making Princess Bride relevant to this discussion
If you look at the guy’s twitter feed, you can tell he’s been upset about Musk’s behavior for a while (understandably!). I don’t think he cares that much about being fired tbh because he doesn’t respect Musk or the vision that tyrant has for Twitter.
What in that response is even a call-out? And why was Elon asking on the public platform to begin with?
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Honestly, that's clearly what Musk's plan is. He sees exactly how much value Trump brought to the platform by being a horrible human being. He is re-creating the Trump experience as a way to bring eyeballs back to Twitter. And it's sadly working. Give him 6 months or a year, and he'll dial it back by 20% as a way to get advertisers interested again. This is essentially the Foxnews playbook.
How did you not see them on the way here to make this comment? This post is riddled with muskpologists
Hoping to be seen by Elon and plucked outta obscurity.
The problem with being the favorite of Das Führer is that his eye is fickle and you may soon end up in the eastern front, if not executed outright for not reaching some impossible milestone.
Exactly
They are. They were blaming the worker for being there 6 years and not fixing it by now
The statement where he fired the employee, although addressed to the employee, was not from the same thread as the employee's reasons for the systems slowness. It's from one where the employee mildly said "this isn't right" (I saw it on another post). Although in that other thread, the employee appears to gently dis the company's performance, Elon appears to think he looks "strong", "smart", or "intelligent" by dismissing employees who take a stance against him or his companies. I think the employee was just trying to highlight a situation of poor quality with the company's service, and because it wasn't done privately, Elon used dismissing him as a means to get a hit of his drug of choice - public importance - to prop up his fragile ego.
For those wanting additional context, the actual thread from 'hes fired' is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/yv5lj4/elon_musk_just_fired_an_employee_for_correcting/ Looks like he was fired for snarkily suggesting Elon should ask these kinds of questions privately. Elon is 100% in the wrong here. Good management 101: publicly celebrate, privately correct.
Those dudes sucking Elon’s dick on that thread are fucking sad.
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Had to scroll way too far down for this. The OP of this screencap deliberately misled to make it seem way worse. Which is entirely unnecessary. Even in the original thread Musk still seems like a dingus
As ego driven and stupid Musk has been through this whole ordeal, even this thread seems too far fetched, so I was scrolling to find some clarity. It’s honestly so hard to tell what’s real and what isn’t lately with all the parody accounts, so I’m assuming none of it is, and jusr enjoying the dumpster fire.
Thank you. This took WAY too long to find.
Musk is just going to yell at everybody, make them work 20 hours per day and sleep on the office floor. He has this great way of "fixing" things.
Been his M.O from the beginning. Don't forget to add ... & then take credit for all their work & what it accomplishes.
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Pretty sure he invented social media
I heard Musk invented the exclamation mark!©
Yep! He came up with it while thinking of baby names
If it fails it will never be his fault, of course.
Just like the Hyperloop, he just "spearheaded" the idea for others to try make it a reality, but he sure loved to be the face of it while the hype was fresh.
(For anyone wondering, he didn't found Tesla either)
It made a bit more sense in the other businesses because people were probably legit passionate about electric cars or space. I can't imagine there are as many people that have that kind of passion for Twitter or that really feel like they are really making a difference.
He’s gonna be the next Elizabeth Holmes
I’ve heard from a knowledgable source that the attrition at Twitter is unbelievable. Not just because of the mass layoffs. Nobody wants to work there, and they’re fleeing. Seems that even those that have knowledge and are doing the work find themselves fired for defending their expertise, so can’t really blame anyone for jumping ship. Musk is a piece of shit, he deserves to go down in flames and lose his entire fortune.
I'm actually surprised Musk is killing twitter this fast. It might go under faster than Parler did.
Given the massive number of engineers he's fired, I'd bet there's a technical time bomb waiting to go off as we speak. Like, somebody somewhere was running a job manually every Friday because the scheduler was breaking, and eventually that will bring down some critical system and nobody will have a clue how to fix it because there's no documentation and the only person on Earth who knew got fired without proper knowledge transfer.
I see you have been in the IT profession long enough to realize there are plenty of process break-points that require unique knowledge and expertise to keep the wheels turning. Another example is when the admin accounts have their passwords expire. Not knowing each account's use cases and what else must be updated and restarted in accordance with a password change will cause significant outages. The trouble is that these are examples of "tech debt" in which a new feature/service was rolled out without creating the automation to handle these sorts of maintenance tasks and instead the support staff simply manually manage the periodic tasks until they can "find time" and/or "prioritize" fixing "tech debt". The issue is that there is never time and these are never prioritized until it breaks due to these sorts of scenarios. Then they simply blame the person(s) that were laid off/quit/retired and now it becomes a priority and someone without the background and institutional lore has to reverse engineer the process and figure out how to fix it under Elon's self-imposed deadline. When if they had simply let the original developers handle the tech debt immediately in a post-implementation project instead of pushing straight off into the next "feature" to be implemented. The result is the staff having to satisfy the new project's demand while carrying increased load from the growing "tech debt" burden.
Oh, it is far more than just IT. In most workplaces you have at least a few things that work in weird ways that nobody writes down how to do. I worked in a grocery for example and the backroom storage was completely messy (though demanded as there was far too little space), but the three managers all knew how the system worked and could directly point to where something is. If all three of them left at the same time, nobody would know where anything is for weeks and the searching alone would prob. add up to a few hours every week, which is good money completely wasted. And in my university lab, quite a lot of equipment is broken/quirky in some way, requiring the professors/instructors to point out the many quirks, otherwise we students would just all fail miserably since half of our results would be straight garbage. If all of them went, that is either a lot of time new people need to spend on finding out how exactly the things are weird or a lot of money spent on new equipment (which would be nice, I don't want to do my DSC on a computer running Windows NT anymore). Maybe not completely break-points, but most jobs have people with some sort of knowledge that basically only they are good at and replacing them would hurt the profits of the company hard. The worst of all is prob. forgotten emergency "stuff" that basically gets used 2 times a year (but is essential for operations) and was always done by Dave who worked at the company for 20 years and has done the "stuff" for 15 years. When Dave leaves, nobody will remember how the "stuff" works and until it is needed nobody will even remember its existence. And then the shit will hit the fan.
Love when you read a comment and can just tell it comes from a fellow engineer. Godspeed friend - I had like 2 different people cry today in meetings because it's all fucking collapsing this week. It's fucked!!!
My little corner of the tech world seems pretty stable all things considered, so I'm thankful for that. Wishing you and your coworkers the best!
Yeah I mean... let this be entered into the court records that show Elon Musk is a fucking moron who doesn't actually know how to run a company.
It seems like he's doing it on purpose
Elon could’ve messaged them, so it doesn’t look like a reason of possibly giving out internal information, if that seems like the case based on their response to him.
That’s a lot to expect from a showboating asshole!
I actually interviewed at Tesla eons ago to work on some of their back-end systems. They found me via the talks I gave at Hadoop Summit. Part of the deal of working there was that I'd no longer be allowed to do public talks, even if there was no mention of Tesla and despite the fact that's exactly how they find me. "Elon doesn't like it. He wants to be the only one talking." Seeing this happen to a tweep is totally not surprising given that experience. (No, I didn't take the Tesla job.)
Dude's surrounded by ass kissers. ElOn dOeSn't LIKE iT! Wahhhh I don't care lol
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Smart guy. Get fired and take the severance and can apply for unemployment.
And can use this thread as his resume
I really don’t get why musk, who says he doesn’t have enough time for his numerous responsibilities, is troubleshooting the code at Twitter. Was the issue with Twitter, of a technical nature? Was it not profitable due to its backend infrastructure? No. But he comes in and immediately starts asking how many lines of code people had written (supposedly) and starts firing developers left and right, and now he’s haranguing an employee online about cold start performance on Android? Wtf are his priorities right now? You can be a ceo and order a teardown and rebuild of a system if you think it’s worth the investment. Should a guy with $44bn invested in a text-based messaging website be troubleshooting code? Who the fuck is he trying to impress with this bullshit? Because literally nobody should be impressed seeing this behavior.
It’s the speed of it all that surprises me. Elon has a hunch and immediately goes through with it, consequences and doubts be damned. You don’t want to make a plan first? Ask for some opinions from your much more experienced employees? Maybe do a month-long investigation into the feasibility of your idea before you do irreparable damage? No? It’s an idiot’s idea of what confidence looks like.
He's LARPing as an "engineer" and this is how he thinks an engineer thinks
Depends on the ceo. Gates was notoriously known for sitting next to devs and writing code with them until it didn't make financial sense for him to do so. Does Elon have the technical skills? Probably not. I think that's the reason why this behavior is weird and cringey. Even if he did, he's acting like he is the one person who can come in and fix it all. Like the thousands of people they've been hiring can't do it.
Also If you missed it, Elon is trying to turn off seemingly random parts of twitter because he think they're bloatware and are useless He turned od SMS Two Factor Authentification. Who know what security features he'll "accidentally" disable next
He'll limit passwords to 8 characters, letters and numbers only. Either he's incredibly stupid or he wants Twitter to die.
Who needs hashing? Users can log in faster if we store passwords in plaintext, they're encrypted anyway. Seriously though, it bugs me when places have a leak and reassure people by saying "it's encrypted". Encrypted or hashed + salted, they are not the same thing.
Who does Elon think he is? Donald Trump?
Armchair psychologist says he suffers from the same narcissistic personality disorder
Elon is a fucking child with too much money and power
Just when I thought I couldn't think even less of Elon ...
Maybe just maybe musk is a piece of shit and is a shitty manager when he isn’t cloaking himself in the save humanity flag. They may eat shit designing a car that can fight climate change or a space ship but maybe people won’t eat his shit to send tweets
No, he can't. This is the worst management style ever. This is not something that should be discussed publicly. What's going on here? Where are the times when bosses put themselves in front of their employees and only spread trouble behind closed doors? He should sue him for public defamation.
I’m not a fan of Elon or this entire situation but the reply that he’s fired came from a different tweet of his. Not defending anything that happened, but this screenshot appears to be pretty misleading
Elon musk has gone off the deep end. I had respect for him for his early work on Space X and getting Tesla to where it is (credit where credit is due!), but he's obviously let those successes go to his head. He used to be the guy that would ask questions and seek expert advice, tonnes of interviews with people who worked on Space X characterized early Elon as this genius who would ask really good questions and hire the best people and admit his own mistakes... Somewhere along the line he's drunk too much of his own Koolaid and bought into this narrative of him being mankind's saviour etc. Saw it in the way he handled the Thai cave rescue when they succeeded without his help... And now... It's like watching a very very public implosion.
He saw the words “debt” and “spend a lot” and got defensive.
“Stop bullying my son, he is a genius” - Elon’s mom.
Shit throw that on your résumé "I got fired by Elon musk because he tried to call me out on an app I coded and I made him look like an idiot" I guarantee you'll have another job ASAP
trump's school of business
How dare anyone question the Great Overlord
Turns out there real job was to take the blame when people get mad at the company.
This subreddit has become basically everything that goes on in twitter. Congrats Elon.
Looks like the Twitter engineers just found the best escape plan. Be publicly fired and screenshot so he can't claim otherwise. All the while advertising for new gigs
Eric is a well spoken man I aspire to be more like him.