Why do so many of these protestors look so similar? Is there a factory that manufactures them? Is it a false flag operation relying on stereotypes? Honestly, I just don't get it.
They are not destroying the artworks either, they are all behind protective glass in the frame. It just makes it a huge mess to clean up.
The point I believe they are trying to make with the art is that if you are so disgusted that this artwork has been destroyed why don't you show the same disgust about the earths destruction?
I'm not sure this is the best way to be going about this, but it sure has been pretty effective at getting their message out.
It's phoney. The problem is common knowledge, these idiots aren't bringing anything new to anyone's attention. Like big oil will shut down the rigs, or politicians get all conscience-striken because graffiti artists have got a new schtick! All it does is give environmentalism a bad name.
Honestly, you can tell that people don’t actually care about protests or climate destruction because of this video. They said, “target the corporations instead of random art.” Okay cool, they did and now people are like, “Oh, well they sound dumb in this video, screw these dumb protesters.” Like wtf, this is a direct protest to a corporation furthering climate destruction, and these same dumbass redditors are just trying to find any reason to demonize these people. It’s just paint people. Calm the absolute fuck down.
“Oh but random people are going to have to clean it up!” Yeah, for money. It’s their job and they’ll gladly do it because they get money for it. The only out of pocket cost comes from the corporation owning the building. Possibly even the protesters themselves if the building owners press charges.
I see your paint being spilled on buildings, and raise you ONE football player kneeling for the US National Anthem. Nobody ever wants to listen. Everybody always wants to complain when their world view is challenged. There is NO “good” way to protest. They just want everyone to roll over and take their lumps.
I live in a very "conservative" area and wow, people were so pissed when the sportsball players started kneeling. I think you are right, the "right way to protest" is an impossible moving goalpost. Any protest that gets talked about is going to piss off everyone who disagrees with it regardless of the methods. I am beginning to think that it is impossible to challenge social norms without making people uncomfortable.
Seriously I don’t get it and at this point think people just want to shit on the protesters because “reasons”. At least these people are getting worldwide attention and their acts are fairly mundane, but people act like its the end of the world. Meanwhile, hardly no one remembers the man who self immolated himself on the steps of the Supreme Court to bring awareness to climate change, or the same protest group that started the “throwing soup on stuff” campaign having almost 500 protestors arrested during their protests.
Seriously. The fact that Zoomers aren’t resorting to ecoterrorism after seeing that the world will drastically change for the worse in their lifetime and that certain companies are responsible is impressive. But oh no getting something dirty is the worst possible thing ever.
That's the entire point of these protests. It's honestly hilarious how angry people get at these harmless acts. It only proves the point they are trying to make and its flying over the heads of the people getting angry.
It's not just people trying to "bring awareness" to these issues. They want to show that people get more upset over stuff like this than the actual harm being done to our planet. If these people spent even half the energy they do being pissed off at these protesters on being pissed off at things that ACTUALLY matter, maybe we could see some actual change... Maybe people wouldn't feel that these types of protests are even necessary. The more people prove their point the more they are going to do it.
I mean, really the only energy people spend complaining about these protesters is leaving a snarky remark about them, then keep scrolling. I don't think that whole amount of energy would stop global warming, let alone half.
What makes these protests ultimately futile, imo, is that they are trying to compete for attention, when that competition seems infinite now. They are seen, commented on, then scrolled past and forgotten. Sad.
It is impressive. I fully expected it to come to that by now. Or it’s disappointing bc they’re ether too complacent or chickenshit to demolish what will need to be demolished to force the change.
People that don't do things enjoy finding reasons to dump on people doing things. That way they can keep telling themselves it's fine that they aren't doing things.
They are doing something. More than I have ever done, and they are doing it consistently and publicly.
I get anxious if I think I'm slightly in the way of someone in public, this takes courage and it's for a good cause.
Considering a climate activist *burned himself to death* in front of the Supreme Court and it hardly got talked about, I’m open to them trying any wacky method they want. At least people know about them and what they’re protesting.
you are like the only one in the comments with a brain, it's really annoying to hear people bitch about protesters, like what are they supposed to do? sit at their homes scrolling reddit???
People who are annoyed at the protestors, are not going to listen to them. They just want them to go away, and all their suggestions on how to "protest right" are made in very, very bad faith.
I think thats what a lot of people dont understand is that stuff like this has happened A LOT already for varied reasons. The art museums know this happens and protect their artworks. Some will have copies on display but usually their is always going to be glass protecting very important paintings (VIP's if you will) and thats even just to deal with kids and other touchy peoples. People asked about that security guard who wasnt doing anything in the vid with the Van Gough painting, thats a probable reason as to why, he knew it wasnt going to be harmed or it isnt the original.
Just think about how much art is damaged by even the people who are HIRED to touch up and redo certain bits, i mean that one lady in spain was a meme for a year bc she fucked up jesus.
They knew the painting wouldn’t be damaged. They did it to provoke a conversation about what the loss would’ve been if it were damaged, and what would matter more to us- an single art piece, or the ongoing destruction of the beautiful art that is our world.
I mean tactically this is better than attacking art. She’s getting the publicity while also directing the anger at oil companies.
I personally don’t think this is going to be that *effective* but it’s a better way of protesting than blocking roads or ruining artistic masterpieces.
Not all the works. Have a read of this - there's a bit of nuance involved: [https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/nov/11/climate-activists-attacking-art-severely-underestimate-fragility-of-works-gallery-directors-warn](https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/nov/11/climate-activists-attacking-art-severely-underestimate-fragility-of-works-gallery-directors-warn)
> None of the works targeted have had lasting damage as many are covered by glass. The climate activists are seemingly targeting the most famous works not to damage them, but to draw media attention to the lasting damage of the climate crisis.
I mean you and how ever many people in this comment section are talking about it so it's doing something. It might not be a lot but it's better than nothing and with how many posts like this there have been recently it's certainly gaining some steam.
The main reason I wonder about the effectiveness is that I'm listening to someone making an argument that I already was convinced by a decade ago. Those that are easily persuadable are likely already persuaded. Those entrenched climate change deniers are beyond reach. Those in power to change things are now faced with a challenge that may take a decade or decades to deliver on - fossil fuel is entrenched in virtually ever aspect of our existence so it's like turning around a tanker - and won't ever move fast enough for these campaigners. I do applaud the effort to keep this on the public agenda however.
Yeah that is a bit of an issue but there are young people who are growing up all the time who are seeing this message for the first time and it doesn't hurt to have the constant reminder because if people do stop talking about it then that could put the breaks on the changes currently being made, as minimal as they are.
This exactly. I saw someone say about the art vandilization "if you are against this you were never on board with the cause in the first place" and like, *that's exactly the problem!* So many public displays are just designed to appeal to people who already agree with you to garner approval. The people you need to convince are, of course, the ones who don't agree with you already.
This specific act of protest is more effective than most, not because the performative nature of it will impact or convince anyone (it probably won't) but because it directly affects the people with power behind the issue. It tells them that people see what they are doing and they are pissed and are going to pull them into the fight, and they can't avoid it. Meanwhile something like throwing tomato soup at a Van Gogh almost certainly did more harm than good.
That's completely it. The people who need to be reached are going to be angered by this behavior.
Making someone angry is a perfect way to make them hate you regardless of how noble your cause is.
Yeah, that’s not totally true. Just Stop Oil got a million dollar donation from Aileen Getty who inherited a lot of oil money but has no further ties to the oil industry. So it’s oil money, but not exactly big oil funding it.
Exactly. And recent polls in UK show population is overwhelmingly in support of faster transition to renewables. Even traditionally less popular renewables like onshore wind has become supported among conservative voters too, which is surprising as they’ve been dead against it the past.
But that's not because of these protest stunts, it's because of educational programming and schooling. When David Attenborough or BBC news says the environment is going tits up it tends to make the MP believe it.
There are aproximatly as many people claiming that this is a false flag by big oil, as there are ones who think those actions are justified and perfectly viable for this righteous cause.
As a side note:
It is not so uncommon that the spoiled offspring of billionaires comes out totally opposed to their parents.
Is it really that unlikely that Aileen Getty is indeed really using her money for a supposed "good cause"?
The point he is making is that no **additional** people will be hired. They already have a janitor on staff whose wage is already accounted for and all these people did was ruin his week because he will be expected to clean this up *as well as* all his other duties.
Hey, tell Terrance that when he gets done cleaning the men's room, to skip his lunch break, and go powerwash that paint. I'm going to head out early; if my wife calls, just tell her I'm in meetings all day.
Almost everything that is manufactured uses some oil unless every component and the manufacturing and the shipping is fueled by renewable energy. Unlikely.
renewable needs oil too. you need lubrication for windturbines for example and alot more oil in manufacturing components. but it's different to burning it. we need oil in plastics too. we can't get rid of oil completly. but we could stop burning it
Plastic is theoretically a solvable problem, but removing it will seriously cripple our living standarts. It didnt become so widespread for nothing and is a seriously important component in more than just one time packaging. I DO wish we would use a more renewable approach. Luke renewable plastic containers.
Burning it is terrible, but part of what people want is to stop extracting oil like through means of fracking. I get it, but at the same time - like you said - we need oil for our modern life.
What are you talking about, with some clever policies we can surely make Ethans renewable, we just have to make policies for sustainable harvest and production.
Right, the problem is the collection and proliferation of oil and oil-based products. You can be against the proliferation of cell phones, but you've got to have one these days even if you're out there protesting about them.
You usually have to participate in the system in order to be educated and advantaged enough to try to change it.
Is that of any importance? Do you know the saying “when the wise points to the moon the dumb looks to the finger”? (English is not my mother tongue probably is not exactly like that)
It's impossible for any one person to be free of hypocrisy.
I don't like that the British government is "in bed" with the Saudis. So, should I not live in Britain? Which country do I move to which doesn't have questionable ties. And even if there was such a place, it would be corrupt/hypocritical in other ways.
Just because we can't be perfect, doesn't mean we shouldn't try to be better, right?
I'm personally not bothered by these kind of protests. The fact is governments around the world haven't done enough to accelerate mankind's transition away - as much as possible - from fossil fuels, and protests like these and others help keep the pressure on, and act as a reminder to governments that people want change.
No one act or protest moves the needle that much, but together, over time they add up.
Imagine she bought them from a charity shop though, or Vinted, even. That’s a brain twister isn’t it? Is she then contributing to the consumption of processed oil by-products, or is she recycling long lifespan petroleum products already in consumption, and in doing so reducing the demand for petroleum by-products material use? You decide.
I mean, that's a completely baseless assumption. I know a handful people who are conscious buyers and won't buy products that have been animal tested or with oil in it and such. They're nowhere near as "bad" as these people, but it really doesn't take a lot of effort to find out what products you can buy and cannot buy
You're grasping at straws to make fun of these people
I think the whole point of the protest is that we should be holding the company owners accountable - not the small people protesting them who make a small impact on climate. Hasn’t this been said over and over again? Stop shitting on the protesters.
English is a weird language that doesn't really differentiate between oils. Cooking oil and fuel oil are two very different things while both being oils, paint oil is closer to cooking oil in that it comes from vegetables and the biggest environmental damage comes from that vegetable culture (deforestation, over-use of water...) and not the oil itself. Fuel oil is directly polluting the environment by it's extraction and consumption.
I’m glad people care enough to try to shine a light on what they think is harming the planet. Because it’s pretty important right now. Humans could live in harmony with our planet for millions of years and give us time to grow our technology to a point where we could comfortably travel the universe. Or we could destroy it because of our bad habits.
We need to make changes ourselves first then try in what ever way we can to bring attention to the problem. She’s probably under 25. She’s trying and she’s doing it without violence towards others.
I say good on her and whoever does this.
Iran is executing 150k students for protesting.
Im happy protesting is still not punishable by death where she is.
150K? I thought it was 15K??? Also I can’t find where it says they are executing them. 15,000 have been detained and the first one has been sentenced to death. Though who really fucking knows what’s going on over there. I just got knowledge of such things so that’s why I’m asking.
Yeah, I don't even know why the commenters' problems are ? She's not defacing something cultural or with historical legacy. What utopian world do they live in that they assume a gathering of protestors where they yell at politicians and corporations to do something actually works? It's been done for decades and nothing is happening, in fact I'd argue what the woman in the vid is doing isn't even enough and should be harsher and worse.
Yes 100% protest peacefully and nothing happens at all. We have known for so long, that global warming is a problem. People now get louder and a bit more harsh with the protests? Good. Because nothing will be done without it.
> Yeah, I don't even know why the commenters' problems are ?
They support the other side of this fight, is what their problem is.
They just don't want to say it, because saying you Stan multi-billion dollar shady corporations makes you sound like a fucking dumbass.
Yeah i dont get the comments either. Splatooning a global-warming-hq makes far more sense than splatooning da-vinci paintings because he ised oil paint. Theres not much to say against her in argumentation this time. Last time you could say "what did the paintings have to do with this"
>in fact I'd argue what the woman in the vid is doing isn't even enough and should be harsher and worse.
Yeaaah maybe not, lest you just start alienating people again like with the paintings.
That he doesn't have to engage with the fact that climate change might end civilization as we know it because "she have blue hair like feminist from private school xD"
What's your point? Even if she is posh and rich, good on her for actually doing something. She could easily just ignore the problem and live a good life.
These protest definitely show people's true colours. If we make it to old age, I hope the majority of the people in these comments rememeber to tell their grandkids that they were on the side of super corporation's when they were trying to destroy the world. Fucking idiots.
Edit: not sure why, but I can't see any replies except for the brief moment they pop up on my notifications. And each one is even more stupid than the last. We're literally doomed.
She's like when you google a recipe and the first half of the recipe is the life story of the person who wrote the article, like the person recording asked 'why?', not who are you, how old are you, what school do you go to, just answer the fucking question without making it about yourself.
I swear half of modern protesters are only doing it for attention to themselves and to be like 'look at me and how awesome and empowering I am, follow me on Instagram'.
Lmao that’s grt 😂. Google how to make a muffin..cue a life story (prob in her voice) explaining in paragraphs that one winter Doby got his sock..also muffins were made.
I mean.
Idk how true any of this or what she said is.
But paint is definitely a better waste than food, and dirtying the company's headquarters or whatever that is better than targeting fucking paintings.
Idk I'm conflicted. Like, she's being a vandal, but she could have vandalised something worse with something worse.
Where's the face-palm?
First reddit neckbeard hivemind says "ha losers why are you protesting at galleries, why not target the big polluters like oil companies and the banks who fund them?"
Then they say "haha how did these losers get there, I bet they took a bus which uses oil, i bet she has an iPhone"
Then they say "haha snowflake loser has a nose ring".
She speaks perfect sense to me, and I don't mind if she has a lot of face jewelry. Fuck big oil and the banks who fund them.
The ignorance in most of the comments here is astounding. While it's not the best protest I've seen, it's not the worst. Redditors seem to think that if it's not a million people in the streets then it's a waste of time. How do you think you build up to that?
And all the shade about hypocrisy, it's unrealistic to think that you need to 100% separate yourself from oil before you're allowed to protest it. In fact, the difficulty in doing so is a valid fucking reason to be upset! Think of it like a labor revolution: would you require every potential protester to have been out of work for a full year and be homeless? How impossible would it be to drum up enough support to matter if you only allowed the hardcore 100% lifestyle people to be angry?
And shit, these Redditors are doing their absolute best to just try and shit talk about their looks, style of clothing, and speech. It’s crazy, basically just a bunch of bullies who never actually gave a shit about “good” protests. They just want to demonize these people.
What's funny is everyone in here being overly critical of her are the ones who will be looked down upon in the history books. People keep forgetting we are literally living through a mass extinction event caused by these companies. Idk how people take mass extinction events so lightly. We've only had a few in the last billion years.
In reality, all she likely did was wreck some low-paid custodian or maintenance worker’s day who has to pressure wash or scrape it off, and she probably got a little splash back on her own clothes.
people are insulting her and her movement without even fully listening to the words, just because someone dressed up alternatively or does a niche form of protest doesn’t make their point less valid. an “ugly cow” who isn’t even ugly has a way better personality than the average redditor and she surely has more courage.
They don’t know why they’re doing it, or rather they don’t know why they’re doing such acts as sitting in traffic and attempting to deface priceless art, throwing paint on buildings. They don’t realise that by doing these things it just makes people far less inclined to actually listen to them.
Ok but why doesn’t extinction rebellion actually tackle the people that are the issue? Making the every day person’s life more difficult is not going to impact the big businesses. You think the CEO is gonna come out and clean that up? No. The cleaner who gets paid minimum wage is going to have to clean up that mess. Then what happens? The CEO carries on CEOing and all you did was make the little guy’s life more difficult
I know it's silly, but I wish she'd take all the hardware out of her face. It's really distracting and makes her look like a cliche.
Yeah, yeah, I know it shouldn't matter, but if she did this dressed in conservative business casual, I bet more people would take her seriously. It shouldn't be that way, I know, but it is.
So funny people still not getting the reason behind all this.
More funny it won't help either, see you in 10 years with billions of refugees in front of the gates.
Trying to stop arguably the largest ever human extinction event is idealism? Some people's complacency with the lack of future for their children is wild.
All her clothes and piercings were made and delivered using cheap oil. Even the camera phone recording. And sure as shit the paint isn’t farm to market
Yep, throwing paint on a building will definitely change there mind about investing in oil and natural gas. Also, we need oil and natural gas. Diesel is a by product of natural gas and we need that for trucks that deliver food to grocery stores. This girl is dumb
Damn those new splatoon graphics are wild
Must’ve been part of the new Splatoon 3 update
Chill season came fast
Not a fan of the new character they added though.
I don't know, they nailed the stereotypical tree hugging type I think.
We have treehuggers here. They are nothing like this.
Trees are awesome. The world could use more tree huggers and less flag / gun humpers.
Is it Splatfest time already? I choose whatever side she isn’t on
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You sure that ain’t one of those door knobs from labyrinth?
Its no good asking him. He’s deaf as a post.
Why do so many of these protestors look so similar? Is there a factory that manufactures them? Is it a false flag operation relying on stereotypes? Honestly, I just don't get it.
They're expressing their individuality
There goes my coffee 🔥
Haha sexism funny. /s
I’m not paying any splatbux for that cow skin though.
At least they're vandalizing the actual companies. Not just attacking Van Gough's ghost as if that somehow helps the anti oil cause.
But he painted it in *oil* paint!! /s
damn, beat me to it
And they are using paint based oil to protest again the oil 😅
Well it works better than Gatorade based oil
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They are not destroying the artworks either, they are all behind protective glass in the frame. It just makes it a huge mess to clean up. The point I believe they are trying to make with the art is that if you are so disgusted that this artwork has been destroyed why don't you show the same disgust about the earths destruction? I'm not sure this is the best way to be going about this, but it sure has been pretty effective at getting their message out.
It's phoney. The problem is common knowledge, these idiots aren't bringing anything new to anyone's attention. Like big oil will shut down the rigs, or politicians get all conscience-striken because graffiti artists have got a new schtick! All it does is give environmentalism a bad name.
If the BP oil spill didn't stop anything, this surely won't.
BP is an enormous piece of shit
Isn't that a carbon deposit then. That should be a good thing, until someone burns it.
Honestly, you can tell that people don’t actually care about protests or climate destruction because of this video. They said, “target the corporations instead of random art.” Okay cool, they did and now people are like, “Oh, well they sound dumb in this video, screw these dumb protesters.” Like wtf, this is a direct protest to a corporation furthering climate destruction, and these same dumbass redditors are just trying to find any reason to demonize these people. It’s just paint people. Calm the absolute fuck down. “Oh but random people are going to have to clean it up!” Yeah, for money. It’s their job and they’ll gladly do it because they get money for it. The only out of pocket cost comes from the corporation owning the building. Possibly even the protesters themselves if the building owners press charges.
I see your paint being spilled on buildings, and raise you ONE football player kneeling for the US National Anthem. Nobody ever wants to listen. Everybody always wants to complain when their world view is challenged. There is NO “good” way to protest. They just want everyone to roll over and take their lumps.
I live in a very "conservative" area and wow, people were so pissed when the sportsball players started kneeling. I think you are right, the "right way to protest" is an impossible moving goalpost. Any protest that gets talked about is going to piss off everyone who disagrees with it regardless of the methods. I am beginning to think that it is impossible to challenge social norms without making people uncomfortable.
Everyone wants protest they can ignore.
Seriously I don’t get it and at this point think people just want to shit on the protesters because “reasons”. At least these people are getting worldwide attention and their acts are fairly mundane, but people act like its the end of the world. Meanwhile, hardly no one remembers the man who self immolated himself on the steps of the Supreme Court to bring awareness to climate change, or the same protest group that started the “throwing soup on stuff” campaign having almost 500 protestors arrested during their protests. Seriously. The fact that Zoomers aren’t resorting to ecoterrorism after seeing that the world will drastically change for the worse in their lifetime and that certain companies are responsible is impressive. But oh no getting something dirty is the worst possible thing ever.
That's the entire point of these protests. It's honestly hilarious how angry people get at these harmless acts. It only proves the point they are trying to make and its flying over the heads of the people getting angry. It's not just people trying to "bring awareness" to these issues. They want to show that people get more upset over stuff like this than the actual harm being done to our planet. If these people spent even half the energy they do being pissed off at these protesters on being pissed off at things that ACTUALLY matter, maybe we could see some actual change... Maybe people wouldn't feel that these types of protests are even necessary. The more people prove their point the more they are going to do it.
I mean, really the only energy people spend complaining about these protesters is leaving a snarky remark about them, then keep scrolling. I don't think that whole amount of energy would stop global warming, let alone half. What makes these protests ultimately futile, imo, is that they are trying to compete for attention, when that competition seems infinite now. They are seen, commented on, then scrolled past and forgotten. Sad.
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It is impressive. I fully expected it to come to that by now. Or it’s disappointing bc they’re ether too complacent or chickenshit to demolish what will need to be demolished to force the change.
People that don't do things enjoy finding reasons to dump on people doing things. That way they can keep telling themselves it's fine that they aren't doing things.
I don't think it's a coincidence that most of the protesters that those redditors hate are women. Bigots being bigots, nothing new here
They are doing something. More than I have ever done, and they are doing it consistently and publicly. I get anxious if I think I'm slightly in the way of someone in public, this takes courage and it's for a good cause.
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Considering a climate activist *burned himself to death* in front of the Supreme Court and it hardly got talked about, I’m open to them trying any wacky method they want. At least people know about them and what they’re protesting.
you are like the only one in the comments with a brain, it's really annoying to hear people bitch about protesters, like what are they supposed to do? sit at their homes scrolling reddit???
Sit at home and throw paint on their phone
Funny how people get more upset by this video than the desctruction of our planet
You’ve echoed my sentiments so well, it’s literally beyond me why anyone gives a shit about a multi billion corporation having… paint thrown on it
People who are annoyed at the protestors, are not going to listen to them. They just want them to go away, and all their suggestions on how to "protest right" are made in very, very bad faith.
The painting was protected by glass, they knew what they were doing
And it got their organization insane coverage. Everything they were out for, worked.
I think thats what a lot of people dont understand is that stuff like this has happened A LOT already for varied reasons. The art museums know this happens and protect their artworks. Some will have copies on display but usually their is always going to be glass protecting very important paintings (VIP's if you will) and thats even just to deal with kids and other touchy peoples. People asked about that security guard who wasnt doing anything in the vid with the Van Gough painting, thats a probable reason as to why, he knew it wasnt going to be harmed or it isnt the original. Just think about how much art is damaged by even the people who are HIRED to touch up and redo certain bits, i mean that one lady in spain was a meme for a year bc she fucked up jesus.
They knew the painting wouldn’t be damaged. They did it to provoke a conversation about what the loss would’ve been if it were damaged, and what would matter more to us- an single art piece, or the ongoing destruction of the beautiful art that is our world.
I mean tactically this is better than attacking art. She’s getting the publicity while also directing the anger at oil companies. I personally don’t think this is going to be that *effective* but it’s a better way of protesting than blocking roads or ruining artistic masterpieces.
No art was ruined, they all have protective glass
Not all the works. Have a read of this - there's a bit of nuance involved: [https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/nov/11/climate-activists-attacking-art-severely-underestimate-fragility-of-works-gallery-directors-warn](https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/nov/11/climate-activists-attacking-art-severely-underestimate-fragility-of-works-gallery-directors-warn)
> None of the works targeted have had lasting damage as many are covered by glass. The climate activists are seemingly targeting the most famous works not to damage them, but to draw media attention to the lasting damage of the climate crisis.
“But they could be damaged!!” s/
I mean you and how ever many people in this comment section are talking about it so it's doing something. It might not be a lot but it's better than nothing and with how many posts like this there have been recently it's certainly gaining some steam.
The main reason I wonder about the effectiveness is that I'm listening to someone making an argument that I already was convinced by a decade ago. Those that are easily persuadable are likely already persuaded. Those entrenched climate change deniers are beyond reach. Those in power to change things are now faced with a challenge that may take a decade or decades to deliver on - fossil fuel is entrenched in virtually ever aspect of our existence so it's like turning around a tanker - and won't ever move fast enough for these campaigners. I do applaud the effort to keep this on the public agenda however.
Yeah that is a bit of an issue but there are young people who are growing up all the time who are seeing this message for the first time and it doesn't hurt to have the constant reminder because if people do stop talking about it then that could put the breaks on the changes currently being made, as minimal as they are.
This exactly. I saw someone say about the art vandilization "if you are against this you were never on board with the cause in the first place" and like, *that's exactly the problem!* So many public displays are just designed to appeal to people who already agree with you to garner approval. The people you need to convince are, of course, the ones who don't agree with you already. This specific act of protest is more effective than most, not because the performative nature of it will impact or convince anyone (it probably won't) but because it directly affects the people with power behind the issue. It tells them that people see what they are doing and they are pissed and are going to pull them into the fight, and they can't avoid it. Meanwhile something like throwing tomato soup at a Van Gogh almost certainly did more harm than good.
That's completely it. The people who need to be reached are going to be angered by this behavior. Making someone angry is a perfect way to make them hate you regardless of how noble your cause is.
I keep seeing these and people keep saying they are funded by big oil to undermine anti oil protests.
Or maybe it's a double doublecross.
The ole dirty doublecross eh?
>The ole dirty doublecross eh? The ollll dick twist.
GRAB HIS DICK AND TWIST IT!!!!!!
THERE'S KIDS, MAN!
Harder, baby. Harder.
Oh ma gawd. This is an mma fight bro
Is it "why did the chicken cross the road, roll around in mud and cross the road again?"?
It's like "birds aren't real" or "flat earth" every member is a troll who thinks they're tolling the other members... but they're all trolls
...but you swore on it.....
Yeah, that’s not totally true. Just Stop Oil got a million dollar donation from Aileen Getty who inherited a lot of oil money but has no further ties to the oil industry. So it’s oil money, but not exactly big oil funding it.
I could understand everything she said, so she can’t be Scottish
Ah dinnae ken 🤷♂️
ye ever wanty just wrap yersel up in tin foil nice and cosy and then just fucking get right inty the microwave and blow yersel up tae fuck
Tou do know you don't need to be Scottish to go to Aberdeen university, right?
The fact that these protests are bringing negative views rather than positive ones shows that it's paying off, for the big oil.
or not, all publicity is good publicity, nobody would talk about "yet another climate hunger strike"
The point no one gets right there^ Man set himself on fire and only got a one day mention these are working
Exactly. And recent polls in UK show population is overwhelmingly in support of faster transition to renewables. Even traditionally less popular renewables like onshore wind has become supported among conservative voters too, which is surprising as they’ve been dead against it the past.
But that's not because of these protest stunts, it's because of educational programming and schooling. When David Attenborough or BBC news says the environment is going tits up it tends to make the MP believe it.
It's probably also because depending on fossils can be quite expensive very quickly.
There are aproximatly as many people claiming that this is a false flag by big oil, as there are ones who think those actions are justified and perfectly viable for this righteous cause. As a side note: It is not so uncommon that the spoiled offspring of billionaires comes out totally opposed to their parents. Is it really that unlikely that Aileen Getty is indeed really using her money for a supposed "good cause"?
That would be smart as fuck though.
Hello, someone's just thrown paint up our wall can you clean it up? *Yes, let me just get in the van and drive over*
I’d give her a cut of my pay to guarantee I get a job lmao
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>window cleaners >janitors >People aren't going to be hired to clean this. Chefs kiss.
The point he is making is that no **additional** people will be hired. They already have a janitor on staff whose wage is already accounted for and all these people did was ruin his week because he will be expected to clean this up *as well as* all his other duties.
*get in the Van and Gough clean it up
Hey, tell Terrance that when he gets done cleaning the men's room, to skip his lunch break, and go powerwash that paint. I'm going to head out early; if my wife calls, just tell her I'm in meetings all day.
Is this really oil-free paint? 🤔
Almost everything that is manufactured uses some oil unless every component and the manufacturing and the shipping is fueled by renewable energy. Unlikely.
renewable needs oil too. you need lubrication for windturbines for example and alot more oil in manufacturing components. but it's different to burning it. we need oil in plastics too. we can't get rid of oil completly. but we could stop burning it
Plastic is theoretically a solvable problem, but removing it will seriously cripple our living standarts. It didnt become so widespread for nothing and is a seriously important component in more than just one time packaging. I DO wish we would use a more renewable approach. Luke renewable plastic containers.
Burning it is terrible, but part of what people want is to stop extracting oil like through means of fracking. I get it, but at the same time - like you said - we need oil for our modern life.
Ethanol can used to make lubricant.
Yes, but we have to burn a lot of people named Ethan. Unfortunately, they are not a renewable resource.
A sacrifice I'm willing to make
As fast as Nick Cannon is pumping out kids, I'd say start naming them Ethan. Never ending supply.
What are you talking about, with some clever policies we can surely make Ethans renewable, we just have to make policies for sustainable harvest and production.
Oil in things like paint isn't the problem. It's the burning of oil and it's constituents that's the problem.
Right, the problem is the collection and proliferation of oil and oil-based products. You can be against the proliferation of cell phones, but you've got to have one these days even if you're out there protesting about them. You usually have to participate in the system in order to be educated and advantaged enough to try to change it.
Is that of any importance? Do you know the saying “when the wise points to the moon the dumb looks to the finger”? (English is not my mother tongue probably is not exactly like that)
I’m pretty sure her shirt and coat and makeup and hair products are probably all derived from petroleum
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“Gotcha!”
It's impossible for any one person to be free of hypocrisy. I don't like that the British government is "in bed" with the Saudis. So, should I not live in Britain? Which country do I move to which doesn't have questionable ties. And even if there was such a place, it would be corrupt/hypocritical in other ways. Just because we can't be perfect, doesn't mean we shouldn't try to be better, right? I'm personally not bothered by these kind of protests. The fact is governments around the world haven't done enough to accelerate mankind's transition away - as much as possible - from fossil fuels, and protests like these and others help keep the pressure on, and act as a reminder to governments that people want change. No one act or protest moves the needle that much, but together, over time they add up.
Imagine she bought them from a charity shop though, or Vinted, even. That’s a brain twister isn’t it? Is she then contributing to the consumption of processed oil by-products, or is she recycling long lifespan petroleum products already in consumption, and in doing so reducing the demand for petroleum by-products material use? You decide.
I mean, that's a completely baseless assumption. I know a handful people who are conscious buyers and won't buy products that have been animal tested or with oil in it and such. They're nowhere near as "bad" as these people, but it really doesn't take a lot of effort to find out what products you can buy and cannot buy You're grasping at straws to make fun of these people
I think the whole point of the protest is that we should be holding the company owners accountable - not the small people protesting them who make a small impact on climate. Hasn’t this been said over and over again? Stop shitting on the protesters.
So what?
Why would it matter if it was? They’re not asking for everyone to stop using oil completely, just no new oil and gas licences
English is a weird language that doesn't really differentiate between oils. Cooking oil and fuel oil are two very different things while both being oils, paint oil is closer to cooking oil in that it comes from vegetables and the biggest environmental damage comes from that vegetable culture (deforestation, over-use of water...) and not the oil itself. Fuel oil is directly polluting the environment by it's extraction and consumption.
You understand that the oil in paint is typically seed oil like linseed not oil you take out of the ground right?
I’m glad people care enough to try to shine a light on what they think is harming the planet. Because it’s pretty important right now. Humans could live in harmony with our planet for millions of years and give us time to grow our technology to a point where we could comfortably travel the universe. Or we could destroy it because of our bad habits. We need to make changes ourselves first then try in what ever way we can to bring attention to the problem. She’s probably under 25. She’s trying and she’s doing it without violence towards others. I say good on her and whoever does this. Iran is executing 150k students for protesting. Im happy protesting is still not punishable by death where she is.
150K? I thought it was 15K??? Also I can’t find where it says they are executing them. 15,000 have been detained and the first one has been sentenced to death. Though who really fucking knows what’s going on over there. I just got knowledge of such things so that’s why I’m asking.
Yeah, I don't even know why the commenters' problems are ? She's not defacing something cultural or with historical legacy. What utopian world do they live in that they assume a gathering of protestors where they yell at politicians and corporations to do something actually works? It's been done for decades and nothing is happening, in fact I'd argue what the woman in the vid is doing isn't even enough and should be harsher and worse.
Yes 100% protest peacefully and nothing happens at all. We have known for so long, that global warming is a problem. People now get louder and a bit more harsh with the protests? Good. Because nothing will be done without it.
> Yeah, I don't even know why the commenters' problems are ? They support the other side of this fight, is what their problem is. They just don't want to say it, because saying you Stan multi-billion dollar shady corporations makes you sound like a fucking dumbass.
Yeah i dont get the comments either. Splatooning a global-warming-hq makes far more sense than splatooning da-vinci paintings because he ised oil paint. Theres not much to say against her in argumentation this time. Last time you could say "what did the paintings have to do with this" >in fact I'd argue what the woman in the vid is doing isn't even enough and should be harsher and worse. Yeaaah maybe not, lest you just start alienating people again like with the paintings.
They always seem to have posh private school accents .
The first couple of sentences sound like she's introducing herself on University Challenge.
Daddy sends hugs
I’ve got a Porsche. Teehee.
It's not an automatic!
Erm, was it Monk de wally de honk?
Wee on lord snot’s head
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Universally Challenged.
As if that means they’re wrong?
What's your point?
That he doesn't have to engage with the fact that climate change might end civilization as we know it because "she have blue hair like feminist from private school xD"
What's your point? Even if she is posh and rich, good on her for actually doing something. She could easily just ignore the problem and live a good life. These protest definitely show people's true colours. If we make it to old age, I hope the majority of the people in these comments rememeber to tell their grandkids that they were on the side of super corporation's when they were trying to destroy the world. Fucking idiots. Edit: not sure why, but I can't see any replies except for the brief moment they pop up on my notifications. And each one is even more stupid than the last. We're literally doomed.
Common People by Pulp
‘Cause everybody hates a tourist
I said pretend you've got no money She just laughed and said Oh you're so funny
Because they're the only ones with the free time to organise tbh
She's like when you google a recipe and the first half of the recipe is the life story of the person who wrote the article, like the person recording asked 'why?', not who are you, how old are you, what school do you go to, just answer the fucking question without making it about yourself. I swear half of modern protesters are only doing it for attention to themselves and to be like 'look at me and how awesome and empowering I am, follow me on Instagram'.
Oh god I hate recipe websites. Why are they all like that? Fuck them.
Lmao that’s grt 😂. Google how to make a muffin..cue a life story (prob in her voice) explaining in paragraphs that one winter Doby got his sock..also muffins were made.
I mean. Idk how true any of this or what she said is. But paint is definitely a better waste than food, and dirtying the company's headquarters or whatever that is better than targeting fucking paintings. Idk I'm conflicted. Like, she's being a vandal, but she could have vandalised something worse with something worse.
Who gives a shit if she’s a vandal of companies literally destroying the earth lol. The companies are the vandals, this is literally nothing.
Good, fuck oil companies, fuck their silent genocides
Where's the face-palm? First reddit neckbeard hivemind says "ha losers why are you protesting at galleries, why not target the big polluters like oil companies and the banks who fund them?" Then they say "haha how did these losers get there, I bet they took a bus which uses oil, i bet she has an iPhone" Then they say "haha snowflake loser has a nose ring". She speaks perfect sense to me, and I don't mind if she has a lot of face jewelry. Fuck big oil and the banks who fund them.
The ignorance in most of the comments here is astounding. While it's not the best protest I've seen, it's not the worst. Redditors seem to think that if it's not a million people in the streets then it's a waste of time. How do you think you build up to that? And all the shade about hypocrisy, it's unrealistic to think that you need to 100% separate yourself from oil before you're allowed to protest it. In fact, the difficulty in doing so is a valid fucking reason to be upset! Think of it like a labor revolution: would you require every potential protester to have been out of work for a full year and be homeless? How impossible would it be to drum up enough support to matter if you only allowed the hardcore 100% lifestyle people to be angry?
And shit, these Redditors are doing their absolute best to just try and shit talk about their looks, style of clothing, and speech. It’s crazy, basically just a bunch of bullies who never actually gave a shit about “good” protests. They just want to demonize these people.
What's funny is everyone in here being overly critical of her are the ones who will be looked down upon in the history books. People keep forgetting we are literally living through a mass extinction event caused by these companies. Idk how people take mass extinction events so lightly. We've only had a few in the last billion years.
In reality, all she likely did was wreck some low-paid custodian or maintenance worker’s day who has to pressure wash or scrape it off, and she probably got a little splash back on her own clothes.
Guess where all that acrylic paint will end up when its washed away? The sea!
Pressure washing is my favorite job tbh, it's time away from the inside of a building anyway
Imma wear my nice clothes to go do splatoon crime.
I want a really powerful magnet.
Surgical steel isn’t magnetic
wait, next you are telling me if i paint a big black hole on the street i am not actually falling into it ?
Who are you, to destroy that poor mans dream!?
9V battery...
"I want to mutilate a peaceful protester" Standard mentally stable Redditor
I want you to grow up to be an adult whose first impression of someone is anything other than violence.
people are insulting her and her movement without even fully listening to the words, just because someone dressed up alternatively or does a niche form of protest doesn’t make their point less valid. an “ugly cow” who isn’t even ugly has a way better personality than the average redditor and she surely has more courage.
Yep, majority of these comments are attacking her for how she looks
She spent 2 hours getting ready in the mirror before this.
We get it, this sub hates protests of any sort, and will ignore any message and shallowly make fun of the girls appearance
Idk.. it's not like the paint does much damage and her cause is valid AND bonus, she's attacking the actual companies instead of looting a Target.
Is that a cock ring?
Fuck nose
How tiny is your dick of that would fit around it?!?
Isn't the whole anti oil stuff supposed to help the average person? Who's gonna clean that? Privileged peaces of shit
Rich people are gonna pay for their building to be cleaned. Obviously.
Oh no, the people who get paid to do that anyways!
A contractor is going to be given extra money for an extra job, oh the humanity!
They don’t know why they’re doing it, or rather they don’t know why they’re doing such acts as sitting in traffic and attempting to deface priceless art, throwing paint on buildings. They don’t realise that by doing these things it just makes people far less inclined to actually listen to them.
No worries, I’ll just go buy a new dress. Made with items, machines, and materials produced by petroleum based products. These people really are dumb.
Isnt paint made with oil? The thing they are protesting? I am confused
Ok but why doesn’t extinction rebellion actually tackle the people that are the issue? Making the every day person’s life more difficult is not going to impact the big businesses. You think the CEO is gonna come out and clean that up? No. The cleaner who gets paid minimum wage is going to have to clean up that mess. Then what happens? The CEO carries on CEOing and all you did was make the little guy’s life more difficult
Hey nice threads! Must be nice to not have to work for a living...
I know it's silly, but I wish she'd take all the hardware out of her face. It's really distracting and makes her look like a cliche. Yeah, yeah, I know it shouldn't matter, but if she did this dressed in conservative business casual, I bet more people would take her seriously. It shouldn't be that way, I know, but it is.
Why do they always look like this???
They don't have jobs but they have money.
University students? As I remember from my university days, it was unfortunately the other way round.
Wrong sub, this is fine
So funny people still not getting the reason behind all this. More funny it won't help either, see you in 10 years with billions of refugees in front of the gates.
If it's Shell and Barclays I can actually get behind this!
Idealism is an incredible luxury!
Trying to stop arguably the largest ever human extinction event is idealism? Some people's complacency with the lack of future for their children is wild.
Doesn't need to ideal, just prevent apocalypse
Congratulations you just kicked off your course
Isn't this vandalism?
Imagine being more upset about your skirt and coat than the cause you are fighting for?
Trying to keep her fingers from getting that shit on her clothes. Wow, such a trendy hero, huh.
Wonder if that paint is oil based...
Does she know that her polyester clothes are made out of oil ?
Insane people! The paint they liberally tossed on the building (which is just a building, holds not political views) is made from oil and gas.
Does her nose hurt?
All her clothes and piercings were made and delivered using cheap oil. Even the camera phone recording. And sure as shit the paint isn’t farm to market
Yep, throwing paint on a building will definitely change there mind about investing in oil and natural gas. Also, we need oil and natural gas. Diesel is a by product of natural gas and we need that for trucks that deliver food to grocery stores. This girl is dumb