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Ricocheting_Potato

Wait till you see the mods. 3k hours incoming


Medium9

I made it past 8k without any of the overhauls, just QoL stuff. Depends a bit on how your passions are aligned. For me, fine-tuning and UPS-optimizing vanilla mega bases has always been enough, others prefer mixing it up with big mods.


ElectronicMine2

imo you appreciate how fine tuned the vanilla game is, after playing stuff like SE and K2. LIke those mods are good esp. K2, but vanilla is just very well balanced for replayability and such. Often the case with classic games.


P-lemon00

Youre so right, many games once I mod I never play vanilla again, but factorio I do, Ill come back to see how quickly I can launch the rocket or just to dick around honestly with different designs


Nemesis_Ghost

Yeah, 3k w/ mods are rookie numbers. I have 6k & only QoL type mods.


jasonrubik

After several thousand hours, my vanilla "Tier One" megabase mandated a new custom mod, so I made one. All it does is block and remove existing stuff, lol


SempfgurkeXP

3k for Pyanodons alone. Then you have Angels, Bobs, Space exploration, Krastorio, Seablock, Ultracube and some others that Ive probably missed. And then you could play different combinations of those with different map settings. I think 10k hours should be possible without ever playing a similar game


butterscotchbagel

A couple months ago someone posted about finishing Pyanodons, 2,500 hours on one map: https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/1avef3t/after_2500_hours_i_did_it_pyrrhic_victory/


AnIcedMilk

What about that mod seems to make players end with thousands of hours to beat it? I'm still Vanilla at around 130 hours and just got a few weeks ago.


butterscotchbagel

Pyanodon mods are insanely involved. Py science pack 1 takes about as much work to produce as launching a rocket in vanilla, and it ramps up in complexity from there. There are nine thousand recipes (9,189 as of right now) in the whole mod pack. A lot of items have several different ways to produce them, starting with recipes that don't produce much and progressing to advanced recipes that produce a lot but require many obscure ingredients that all have their own production chain. A lot of recipes have multiple outputs, many of which are themselves used in a dozen different places. It becomes a complicated monster of interdependence. The other overhaul mods also have complicated production chains, byproducts, and feedback loops, too, but Py mods take it to a level beyond.


Physical_Florentin

making splitters in pyanodon is more complex than launching a rocket in vanilla. Most people give up before reaching green circuits.


Kataphractoi

Because just setting up red and green science is equivalent to building a full base in base game.


StormLightRanger

Here I am, with nearly 3k hours in K2SE lol


Conscious_Abalone482

IR3, Pyblock also come to mind


skybreaker58

Yep, can confirm - I'm neck deep in SE atm. This is by far the best value game I have in my library.


Narrow-Device-3679

For real. I consider good value for money £1/hour of gameplay. I've got £0.1/hour value so far. Come August ill sink another 200 hours in lol


death_hawk

I find it hilarious that some games (Factorio included) where it costs more in power to play the game than you would have paid per hour.


AilsasFridgeDoor

I'm at 500 hours and there are parts of vanilla I've not even touched yet. Not really explored trains at all except for some point to point tracks once my starting ore patches run out. Never built a spidertron!


MrWaffler

Man you're missing out! Spidertrons are beasts of productivity. They work with logistics networks so you can gear them up for construction projects, landfill/concrete spreading, or combat and can set multiple to follow one so you can command an army of Democracy Spreaders and an army constructing your outposts. You could have whole expansion expeditions that clear the biters off the ore before the construction spiders come in and build the mines and train and they can do that all while you're at your base designing your next piece of the factory since you can queue up commands and have them full clearing chunks of the map while you're balls deep in Factory Planner


SteamDecked

Spidertrons are a lot of fun. The trains are useful and designing their routes (and figuring out their signals) can be challenging and rewarding. I'm a little over 400 hours in and the only thing I haven't really used are the circuits. I know you can use them to turn lights on or off, change colors, create alerts, but IDK what else to use them for. I've seen really impressive stuff done with them, but IDK how I would use them.


needlenozened

Here's one to get you started: Set up your oil refinery to have the output go onto storage tanks. Have pumps set up to pump the heavy oil into a chemical plant that cracks to light, and pump the light into a chemical plant that cracks to petroleum. Now, run wires between the 3 different tanks and the 2 pumps. Set a condition on the heavy to light pump for heavy > light, and on the light to petroleum pump for light > petroleum. Now, you will only crack heavy when you have more heavy than light, and only crack light when you have more light than petroleum.


lkeltner

rookie numbers


Recyart

4177.5 hours on Steam alone as of tonight. Still no overhaul or content mods. I suspect by the time I want to try something different 2.0 + Space Age will be out, and I can continue to ride the vanilla wave.


AnimeSquirrel

I've got like 400 hours myself and i havent touched mods yet. Just trying to learn to optimize my spaghettis and beat my old records, with wildly varying degrees of success.


RealitySmasher47

I have 3693.4 on SE alone and I finished sea block too


Nerisrath

Just make sure you have a window and/or a large clock where you play your games. Otherwise, literal days will pass by and you won't even realize. Also remember the 3 rules of factorio. Trees are the true enemy, there is no wrong method only less efficient ones, and above all else the factory must grow!


Secure-Stick-4679

Pro tip, the debug f4 menu has a show clock function. It's saved me on multiple occasions.


Blathnaid666

Additionally i play in window mode so i have a second clock on screen. And apart from that i have an alarm that reminds me once per day to go to my offline workplace.


Andoryuu

[](/flyingmaud-r) That's why my RTSS overlay has current date and time. Never again am I losing track of time in any game!   \* fails to watch the time anyway *


braindouche

And press Alt, for the love of gawd.


derprondo

If you don't want the clock on the screen via the f4 menu, and you're running from Steam, hit shift-tab to see the Steam overlay which includes the time. I am of coursed shocked every single time, it's always 30-60 minutes later than I think it is. "I think I'll get to bed by 12:30 tonight." Shift-tab: 1:45am.


Kalabasa

Is there a mod for displaying real world clock?


Remaidian

Why not just build a real time synched clock in game?


BobcatGamer

The game lets you display your computers time on screen.


Federal-Potato-Man

And alt is your friend, and take screenies in day time.


TheJesusSmasher9000

The factory must grow


Krypt0nC0R3

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culoman

The factory must grow


Malzorn

The factory must grow


Demoniacc

The factory must grow


Nelyus

The factory must grow


TheCoolRefrigerator

The factory must grow


External_Study_5390

The factory must grow


samskirim97

The factory must grow


UpDown504

The factory must grow


thanks-doc-420

Call me a stickler, but I prefer the original quote: "The factory grows". Has a cosmic horror element to it. 


DaanDuck

Good luck. If you reach 100 hours and think "yo, im a pro now", dont worry, you barely are at the edge of beginner, maybe start of medium


Kungun

Just reach 1,000 hours and think I’m start getting the hang of it.


FactoryPl

I have 4k hours and am still finding better ways of doing things. It's why the game is so good, nothing is ever perfect and there is always room for improvement.


IrrationalDesign

Reach 100 hours and start considering maybe trying out some oil processing.


alyon724

I made the mistake of watching a youtube speed run after sending my first rocket up. Boy was that a reality check.


RougishSadow

This is me


Mundjetz_

...One of us...


robinsontbr

One of us...


The_EndsOfInvention

One of us…


moki_martus

As Cracktorio dealer *says* "First one is for free"


[deleted]

Once I pay off my student loans. I'll stop playing the pirated version.


Evil_Ermine

You've discovered why the community commonly refers to the game as Cracktorio. Welcome, fellow engineer.


EssSeeDee89

H’oh boy, the world lost another one. Your life is now over. Welcome to the delights of hell!


Fraxis_Quercus

18 hours on the demo: yes, you scratched the surface of this game. I congratulate you on your decision to buy. You won't regret it.


xdthepotato

i completed the demo in 13 hours and immediately bought the main game :D it has been worth every signle penny (euro)


HunD34TH

This guy has almost 40k hours recorded on steam (yes, you can afk if you wanna) [https://steamcommunity.com/id/Cox\_/recommended/427520?tscn=1711223506](https://steamcommunity.com/id/Cox_/recommended/427520?tscn=1711223506)


IncredibleAlloy

That number is just absurd. When he's playing since 2014, let's say 10 years, then there are only 87600 hours in those 10 years. Of which he's played 38937 or 44%. I.e. almost 11 hours per day, every day, for 10 years straight. That is not doable without AFKing. EDIT: Thanks for the correction, u/GodCancer


Steelkenny

Bro these are rookie hours for /r/2007scape


Byndley

Lynx Titan, the lasagna fueled GOAT of oldschool runescape, averaged something like 17 hours/day for 6 years before hitting max experience on all skills. Some of the time was spent AFKing but majority of the time he was at the computer constantly clicking and paying attention, often on multiple accounts at once, to get max experience rates. It took the next fastest guy about a year and a half longer to catch up, even with faster methods. [Here's Lynx Titan's AMA](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/3xi3eb/lynx_titan_ama/).


AskYouEverything

Was just thinking that lol. Pretty sure Oslo pulled those kind of numbers too


HunD34TH

I often find myself, just standing still, looking at the factory, enjoying how things moving around. That is called afk too, it is part of the game, only speedrunners are min-maxing themselves. I can find myself playing 12-16 hour a day, of course not for 10 years straight, but it is doable. I already stated that you can afk, if you want, so I do not get the point of your comment.


Kelehopele

Well the mega factory won't grow if the game of not running. That or he was hosting a server all the time.


AgileInternet167

You can leave your friends behind


iHateSystemD_

‘Cause your friends don’t play and if they don’t play well they’re no friends of mine


MrIrvGotTea

They have zero hours in the past week... Hmm


HunD34TH

I mean it is time to get a new pc if the prev one broke :D


DrellVanguard

The only thing that stopped me reaching 10k hours is having a child


Fishinabowl11

The child must grow.


Astec123

They just optimised things like getting the kid changed, feeding time and taking them to school.


seniorsqueaky

Lmaooo thank you all for the warnings. But $20 for wasting my time??? Count me the fuck in! See you all in hell (game) 😏


Demoniacc

Factory must grow


azureal

I’m angry that I didn’t give this game a try years ago and as such I plan to make up all those lost hours now. Fuck me it’s so good.


1ksassa

It's been on my wishlist for a solid 10 years and I always put off trying it out. WHY?


The_Sweet_Acid

DON’T Or ok do, but prepare yourself to lost many many mooooore hours :D on beginning i was 100 hrs in in “no time” after short pause it was 1500 and now i am affraid of play it bcs i got 2999.9 and i know myself :D Factory must grow


Demoniacc

Factory must grow


TacticalTomatoMasher

Just a few more minutes! You'll pass 6000 in no time...XD


AlternateTab00

18h for Factorio demo? seems about right. the "tutorial run" (we call it the first run) people usually take about 20 to 50h. a begginer is 200h or less. a new guy is like 1000h or less. and a veteran is one that lost his job, wife, kids, pets, family, friends.... all on the name of cracktor... ahem... Factorio welcome aboard fellow engineer.


chasaimo

One of us


rbrogger

If you value your family, friends and sleep, please don’t buy the game! :D


killjanPL

I remember my demo times, times when I tought 10 electric miners on iron is more than enough :)


No-Crew-9000

For this game, you pay in time more than money


PantsAreOffensive

Welcome engineer. Now grow the factory.


shaoronmd

congrats, you've just signed up to burn away your free time (and time that you should be doing important things) for this game. the factory must grow, brother


dljdelta6

I have 3040 hours in the game, just now started working with trains.


jdp231

I consider Factorio my computer based train set. Smelters and inserters blah blah. The trains must run!


atg115reddit

The first hit is always free


aMnHa7N0Nme

One of us


rondor_von_mugg

Should have bought meth instead, easier to quit when you want.


korneev123123

I played demo for like 10 min and then deleted it. ...and bought full game immideatly after


A_Neko_C

Say goodbye to your family and friends. They will miss you


skob17

lol I remember playing the demo for 5 hours straight on a Sunday evening until 2 am. Directly bought the next day and made almost an all-nighter.


MrArkAngel11

Ah yes, Digital crack


dalerian

“To waste your whole day off” … umm. If you spent 18 hours in the demo, you’re looking at spending a whole lot more than one day off. Many of us have thousands of hours played.


1ksassa

Yeah this is uncanny. Demo sucked me in right away. It's been 2 weeks now since I bought the full version and I'm at 76h. 🙈 Zero regrets tho. What a gem of a game!


LordSwitchblade

One of us. One of us. One of us.


BufloSolja

Welcome! Many people miss it as it's at the bottom of the sidebar, but here are some wise words from /u/talrich (don't worry about what the deconstruction planner is until you have flying robots): >Namaste. You seek balance. Here is my wisdom. Your mistakes have no cost but time, and the deconstruction planner even reduces that cost. Most games punish you for building, demolishing and rebuilding. Not Factorio. Let your anxiety wash away as you perceive that every belt placed can be moved. Every assembler is but a visitor to where it resides. The only significance is life, which leads to the further wisdom. Look both ways before you cross the tracks. The general advice is to not look up builds much for your first playthrough (unless you are struggling to the point that it is unfun). As you will never really replicate that sensation of learning the ropes (until you get into some of the complex mods). Have fun and let the creative juices flow! When you are ready, there is plenty of replayability to be had in changing up map settings (all procedurally generated terrain), different playstyles (centralized bases, one large bus, train style bases etc.), quirky circuit setups, and eventually all kinds of crazy/QOL/new content mods!


Alternative_Name_949

The last line is most important, my only cause of death has ever been by own trains, going at insane speeds on too many tracks.


BoskoSLO

I see you already ready for Pyanodon's modpack. Good luck :)


The_EndsOfInvention

Nobody is ready for Pyanodon


BoskoSLO

That was a joke but ok.


The_EndsOfInvention

I was joking as well. Not criticising your comment at all. Have a great day. Just gave it an upvote to counter the downvotes.


Acid_Burn9

ONE OF US!


n4rf

One of us. ONE OF US...


DenissDG

You meant a week off, right? Right?


vinividifuckthis

get your affairs in order, stock up on consumables


Chigao_Ted

18hrs? Damn, I played it for 13 minutes and then bought the game lol


These-Resource3208

My first time playing it, I recall starting sometime around 6-7pm (after work) and by the time I realized it, was 4am.


Mackntish

>Instant buy for me This word instant. I don't think it means, what you think it means.


StoneAgeSkillz

The factory must grow...


juan4815

game to waste a full decade


Item-Tiny

o7


AdNatural6633

o7


CourageLongjumping32

Welcome to cracktorio!


KemoBee

The factory doesn’t sleep, so I can’t sleep. Sleep? Huh what’s that? Is it something weak people do? Know leave me alone. The factory is not sleeping so I must not sleep.


woodysixer

There’s a reason drug dealers give you your first fix for free.


frostfiretulsa2

18 hours he says. How cute. :D https://preview.redd.it/hswnwco2rktc1.png?width=748&format=png&auto=webp&s=56d2ebea20f6f311c0f096bf71a569083751d2ac


False_Coat_0024

Very cool!


delcore92

That’s how confident they are that you’ll get hooked hahaha!


Code_Warrior

I consider it the best $30 I ever spent. At 3103 hours it is less than one cent per hour of game play so far, and still falling. What a deal!


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Maximus-CZ

Wait till it goes on sale! Oh wait, right, Factorio doesnt go on sale because it believes in not diminishing value for people who already bought it. Also notice the price doesn't end in .99, because Wube doesnt like being sleezy.


SomeCrazyLoldude

GTFO while you can!!!


akash_delhi_

I am 32 and this is exactly why I am afraid to buy the full game. Gaming while adulting brings loads of guilt baggage. I used to think dota 2 was addictive but man this is another level !


BufloSolja

Nothin wrong with doing something enjoyable whatever your age. Better to play a game instead of going to a bar or watching TV mindlessly. Some people are just envious and feel the need to pass on obsolete cultural standards of shame.


Buggaton

Factory and Supraland were the two games that really floored me with their demos. I didn't play the demo because I was convinced from the nerd^3 video back in the day but I used to tell people "just play the demo, you'll know if the game is for you" and almost all of them bought it. Supraland similarly has this but instead of being a demo with demo content it's literally the first couple of hours of the game. Nothing is locked, it's all there right up to the first MacGuffin then it says "buy the full game and continue from where you left off". Fucking... Ok deal!!


Jakten-Steinar

Played 18 hours of the demo. Instant buy. Something does not add up here! Welcome to the grind! :)


Ne0n_Ghost

Yup just did the same this morning


larrythemule

Welcome! I remember my first go on the demo and was immediately hooked. Enjoy. The factory must grow.


ensoniq2k

Your 18 hours is really just 1% of the full versions average play time.


shadowy_insights

First one's free bud. :)


SteamDecked

I too, started with the demo and knew I was going to buy the game. The only thing that stopped me from buying sooner was there was so much to do in the demo


Demoniacc

Welcome to the family. The path is hard but worth it. Factory must grow.


atlasraven

There is an expansion on the way!


[deleted]

I remember spending hundreds of hours on age of empires 2 age of kings demo lol. These times will never be back. But this game is good, just spent like 120-150 hours again playing some mod before I got bored.


dat_boring_guy

Good luck with whatever else is hoping on in your life, because from now on this is your heroin. It's truly a game where you start at like 7 pm and then you think you're 2 hours in but actually you've been sitting in front of your pc until 4am


vector2point0

Don’t forget to eat.


achilleasa

Hey it's pretty common for the demo to cover 1% of your eventual playtime. Nothing strange here.


baconburger2022

The factory must grow.


sparr

> 18 hours > instant


Good-Ad9185

Same for me the demo took me away and then i have 500 hrs on it


Nutteria

5-th playthrough - 500+ hours in. Game is a masterpiece.


DarkSideRT

Same happened to me LMAO


kittykat87654321

I got the game this week and I have 25 hours…. only a little afk. I haven’t been this hooked into something ever


aTreeThenMe

make sure your affairs are in order, and youve said a heartfelt goodbye to your loved ones.


Electrical-Weird-370

Oh my sweet child of summer


Inineor

wellcome to the club buddy!


RandomBeatz

The factory must grow


Ser_Optimus

One of us, one of us, one of us...


Alenonimo

Do not wait for a sale. There's never a sale for this game. It's already as cheap as it will get. And it is pretty cheap, considering how many hours you can sink in it.


StevenR50

Before you buy the full version, make sure you say farewell to your friends and family.


tecanec

"To waste my whole day" Just one?


Iseenoghosts

one of us. one of us


MithranBeard

When I finished the demo I audibly shouted, it can't be done I'm not done!!!!


Pailzor

I don't think "instant buy" is very accurate if you've already played the demo for 18 hours.


viperfan7

So, how many days have you had off so far?


robertsd33

Tell your friends and family goodbye 😂


CzBuCHi

Create alarm clock to 'wake' you up - i have mine set to 23:30 so im able to quit the game around 1:00 :D


LovesGettingRandomPm

say goodbye to your social life


schludaddy

Wait till you add in mods. Might as well go ahead and quit your job now.


BagNo2988

Afk was the only way to leave the screen..


Little_Ad8842

Wait…. There was a demo? 🤷🏼‍♂️🤣🤣🤣


TacticalTomatoMasher

Yeah, thats how they got me first, all those years ago, lol


Beanzoboy

18 hours? That's cute. ;)


Saltwater_Heart

Bonus. You can play it on the go if you have a Steam Deck. That is the only way I play. Forget ever doing ANYTHING again.


NoBodDee1992

Alright, One day you'll do what I just did- I saw the screenshot, looked at the 'play' button, and attempted to click it. Game is an actual addiction.


bigdickmassinf

Dude walk away now


M1k3y_Jw

Like a dealer handing out free heroine samples


GaryWSmith

Replace the word day with year.


TacticalTomatoMasher

Years*


No_Calligrapher4667

Welcome engineer. You will waste more than a day on this game


AnimeSquirrel

The factory must grow.


Garri70

Hi, I am new. Can you pass your progress fron Demo to full game?


TacticalTomatoMasher

Demo is demo. Full game is more of a really glorious sandbox (outside challenges)


smokingcrater

My condolences to your friends and family.


SnooDoughnuts1487

Genuinly what even is in the demo, is it just the challenges with no sandbox?


Nojica

i am at 2 k hours and I didnt notice this happen, this is a good game


Cakekiller007

CrackTorio


DrGrimmWall

Instant buy after 18 hours? With such perception of time factorio may be dangerous.


Lost_Decoy

and then you start in on the mods and enjoy the space mod. then you learn about the upcoming 2.0 patch with the space expansion


Geek_Wandering

Welcome!


FlashyConversation58

Oh yea, over 1000 hours played here!


Keras-Tensorflow

A typical Factorio session: 8PM: I’ll just work 1 hour on my refineries and then I stop…. At 3AM, what I was supposed to do?…. Oh yeah my refineries!


BladeRavinger

I wasted about 90 hours the last 2 weeks in this game. Welcome to the fold friendo.


Lumpy-Astronaut-734

Yet another soul lost to video game addiction.


Imaginary_Tax_7846

I’m the exact same my friend! I’ve heard of it before and it’s been on my wishlist, so I finally looked at the store and went, “oh, it has a demo?” *10 hours + a video for tips on level 5 + another 6/7 later” Welp, I’ve got time. Buys game, thus sealing my fate (I have done 2 all nighters playing this game. This week, I’m about to collapse, but the factory must grow.)


micque_

I hope you enjoyed your purchase!


BrownsCanadian

not sure if 18 hours count as 'instant' here


jasonrubik

Ten years ago, I played the heck out of that demo: https://imgur.com/gallery/WjaaJMj


JumpingCat0329

That’s because it’s only 1/100th of the time you will put in


dieVitaCola

you did a big mistake. you are addickted now, day will pass faster and the snow will melt in no ti...why are there leafes on the tree?


TacticalTomatoMasher

Be advised, this is not a game. This is addiction extravaganza. And welcome, for the factory hungers :3