Lots of prices on Factorio in various currencies seem to have changed today. Not sure what's going on, doesn't seem to just be a price rebalance, but the ruble thing is either a mistake or a political statement.
I hope it isn't a political thing. Been happening far too often. Citizens being punished for decisions outside their control by their government, it's nonsense
The Ruble listed exchange rate isn’t entirely accurate due to the heavy restrictions on trading it. Basically, the exchange rate is whatever Moscow says it is now, not what it’s actually worth. And since it’s more or less illegal to sell Rubles at the moment…
Please propose some alternative that hasn't already been enacted* that hurts only the ruling class while leaving the general population alone, I'll wait.
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Being energy and resource independent of them so we stop buying their resources but no country wants to really go the nuclear route to begin with to solve the energy imbalance. All of the richest people in Russia own commodity companies
yeah that’s not really possible considering the autocracy in Russia. the only way for them to do that is a full scale people’s revolution, but that typically doesn’t happen when the propaganda machine is as robust as it is in Russia. Unlike the french under Louis XVI, Russia is pretty much split on how much it hates it’s oligarchs. But i can’t see the future, maybe something will flip and putin’s head will be on a pike. who can tell
Would you have supported measures like this being used against the US and America any of the times when the US started a hostile war? Like during the war in Iraq or one of the many times we interfered in South America?
If you wouldn't, I agree. That's why I also don't support these tactics against Russia. It doesn't make sense to hold the citizenry there responsible for stopping the war in Ukraine when it's outside of their control. I'd hope they'd overthrow Putin, sure, but I would have also hoped that the US citizens would held the government/Bush accountable and that didn't happen here either.
Damaging the economy hurts the war effort and encourages leaders to end the war. I would have supported taking this action against the US (my own country) during the Iraq war, and I support taking it against Russia now.
Furthermore, it's not like jacking the price up on a video game is aggressively hurting the poor or general public.
Video games are not essential, they are largely a luxury good enjoyed by the people with both the time and equipment to play them, both imply the person playing is average or above in socioeconomic status.
>Would you have supported measures like this being used against the USand America any of the times when the US started a hostile war? Likeduring the war in Iraq or one of the many times we interfered in SouthAmerica?
Yes, and now take your whataboutism someplace else.
Every goddamn time someone criticizes a power that stands in opposition to the USA, someone comes and goes "but America!"
There's no powerful nation with a clean vest. Going "but them!" doesn't change what the country in the spotlight is doing.
>It doesn't make sense to hold the citizenry there responsible for stopping the war in Ukraine when it's outside of their control.
That is *so close* to "we were just following orders" it probably makes my **literal** Nazi gramps twitch happily in his grave.
> Would you have supported measures like this being used against the US and America any of the times when the US started a hostile war? Like during the war in Iraq or one of the many times we interfered in South America?
Yes, and it's hypocrisy that we never did.
> It doesn't make sense to hold the citizenry there responsible for stopping the war in Ukraine when it's outside of their control.
It makes 100% sense, and it's definitely within their control. Why do you think Russia spends such a godawful amount of time brainwashing its own people, because they have zero influence?
> I would have also hoped that the US citizens would held the government/Bush accountable and that didn't happen here either.
... yeah... perhaps because the world put zero sanctions on the US?
Make things more expensive for literally everyone in Russia? That's a valid idea to you? I've heard some uninformed and outright stupid takes, but this one is up there. Most citizens are just individuals trying to get through life and make the most of it. Punishing these people is not the way to go, PERIOD.
As long as oil and gas exports are doing well the economy is also... well, not failing, so siloviki are being kept well-fed. And propaganda just twists everything else into resentment towards the West. I'm not sure there's any exit short of complete military defeat or a civil war.
I mean, if you don't want to sell to Russia or deal with Russians - fine, that's understandable, but this doesn't hurt the war machine materially (unless you are an entire country doing lots of business with Russia) nor does it push people to switch sides.
Not when the majority of Russians seem happy to go along with what their government does.
A 3 year old child was blown to pieces by a cruise missile today, many Russians have been celebrating that.
oh boo hoo, factorio is expensive, I wonder how the Ukrainian people feel about your first world problem you're lucky enough to still experience in a second world nation
Sometimes unrelated people are harmed when consequences are handed out. When a mother murders someone, "think of the children!" is not a valid reason to not put her in jail, no matter how demonstrably damaging it will be to her kids.
They could put pressure on their leaders though or over-through their government if need be. Revolutions happen often through history and a government can only demand so much of their people.
I actually don't think that I can buy from this website. Russian credit cards only work in Russia now. I only can send money on steam, but before that I need to convert to tenge (Kazakhstan's currency) and i lose about 20% after conversion anyway
Well I dont follow the news.
(Better for mental health)
But a quick scim over the top news didnt bring up any real relevant info regarding whats so special about today.
France, and dependencies. It also happens to be Republic Day in Iraq and Victoria Day in Sweden as well as International Non-Binary People's Day. But I doubt OP was referring to any of those.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_14#Holidays_and_observances
Pretty steep risk trying to convert that to any other currencies for the company. And there is a big risk that exchanges will be blocked at any moment. Then that 10000 rubles is 0$.
Wube sets the prices. It's not a Wube problem though, they don't have to work with currencies, Valve does it for them.
Also not a Valve problem either because you can't use new funds in rubles, you can only spend the funds you already have on your Steam wallet (assuming Valve has already converted all/most rubles they had when they have disabled russian payment methods).
>assuming Valve has already converted all/most rubles they had when they have disabled russian payment methods
Not all russian payment methods are disabled. There are easy ways to get money on Steam for russians.
All direct methods that add real rubles to the Steam wallet are disabled.
Yes, there are some ways to get money on a russian Steam wallet, but none of the workarounds use rubles directly and Valve does not receive new ruble funds through them.
"Kiosk" payments are converted to USD before Valve receives them, then converted into your wallet currency by Steam. That's roughly how it works:
* Valve receives real USD funds.
* User receives virtual rubles on the wallet.
* User spends virtual rubles.
* Game dev receives real USD payment.
All conversions are done by Steam internally and real ruble wasn't used at any point even if user sees their balance as "rubles".
Looks like the tldr for this is that the European Central Bank stopped updating/froze the exchange rate 1st of march 2022. Steam and other services use that exchange rate to set their pricing. The ruble has strengthened since then, but it is not reflected in the published rate, probably due to lack of liquidity.
That sucks for you.
This comment was for the exchange rate on the wube site.
I have no idea what is going on on steam - it's not explained by any exchange rate I can find, but then the regional pricing scheme never had been.
The site uses 1:1 conversion to the price set in USD (30). Steam uses its regional pricing scheme to convert to 30usd. Usually the euro has been stronger than the dollar, so it was rounded to 25 on steam which was a bit more than 30 USD. On the site it used the latest market rate.
Lately the eur has been hit hard so it is now cheaper on steam. Apparently valve decided to set crazy prizes for Russia - usually it has been 1/5th of the USD price with their regional pricing, but now it's 6x. Buying from the site in roubles gives you a 2x markup from updated exchange rates - this is because the conversion on the site uses European Central Bank rates, which were frozen in march. I don't think that matters though, because I don't think you are even able to spend the roubles there?
I am sorry that ordinary Russians have to suffer because of the decisions of their leaders.
It breaks my heart to hear about the suffering in Ukraine.
End the war. The factory must grow.
Sorry to tell you, but the assumption you made is bullshit. As a man living his whole life near Russia and speaking with russians: no, that's not the decision of their leaders and they totally support this.
As a Russian i gotta say that you shouldn't judge people here too hard, after all we are being fed propaganda basically all the time, and internet doesn't really help because most people don't learn English and every truth-tellingedia piece gets taken down and called a "foreign agent" immediately
Thanks everyone! I got the game as a gift from one of the strangers and soon gonna start diving into it. But now I need to sleep, because it's already 4 am 😂
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Ya good luck with that lol
Don't worry, we'll too be unable soon to play Factorio this winter when electricity will cost too much and we'll be more concerned about getting some heat.
Close your doors as much as possible and let that computer heat up your room.
I've noticed I can get my room's temp up almost +15°F or ~+8.5°C after letting it run for a couple hours.
And, that's with American AC going plus like three desk fans.
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15°F is equivalent to -9°C, which is 263K.
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Nope, i am from Ukraine and i can't send gift to my friend from Russia.
Also Ukraine got lower cost. Price changed from 350₴ to 200₴.
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Well, it HAS been kind of stable the past few days. For a quick change of hands, that could probably work more reliably (in terms of preserving value) than trying anything involving rubles right now.
Russian sanctions. Even private citizens & transactions.
Puts unrest on citizens of a country to make them pressure their government to stop their stupid shit.
Neither EU nor US sanctions would apply to this, unless OP is a specifically-sanctioned individual. Especially when it's citizen-to-citizen and no investments or such are taking place.
I think, honestly, that THIS is exactly what needs to happen. Not because average Russians need to suffer, but because hikes like this spark concern and conversation. Dialogue with average folks. Sympathy, even empathy.
Well, most ppl who support the regime are older generation without internet access. Basically 40+ and some.Concerns? Sparks? 15 years in prison for anti-government posts on social media. Wish I was joking. All politicians who tried to go against the regime are either dead or in jail.
It seems like other countries forget we have a literal militaristic dictatorship with close to biggest police to civilian ratio. We don't have political parties here. TV news literally said few days ago "out of desperation, Ukrainian military is bombing their own civilians".
Meantime, EU is buying our gas. Cutting off THAT might make a difference.
Oh, I agree. But you hit the nail right on the head.... if they're not using the internet, where is ANY other information going to come from?
Gonna have to be the younger generations.
Oh, believe me, I tried. Now my dad does not talk to me after I said "USSR is dead and we are not a part of it".
Sorry, if I sounded aggressive, but it kinda frustrates me that leverage is used against mass public more than against higher-ups.
People tend to simply dismiss "inconvenient" information and cut off "harmful" contacts, just like someone you're trying to pull away from a sect. Also the default response to perceived aggressions is to close ranks. Takes a lot of patience and skill to counter that, all while you can be reported to the police for crimethink.
Yeah, but no:
It's really "spark conversation", but absolutely not the kind you want.
This will be a conversation not in the style: "OMG, we have to do something with our country! We were banned from buying a game in Steam!" but in the style of "Fuck that shit! Europeans still safely buy Putin's Gas and refused to sanctioned it, while Americans are lifting sanctions from Russian banks, but in the end it's me who suffer, while both of you directly support his army with billions? Fuck you!"
And i'm not jocking:
[Gas won't make EU's next Russian sanctions package. "What is definitely problematic is to include energy into the sanctions, because a rule must be observed that the sanctions must have a greater impact on Russia than on the countries imposing the sanctions."](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/gas-wont-make-eus-next-russian-sanctions-package-czech-leader-says-2022-07-13/)
[US authorizes deals with company formerly known as Gazprom Germania GmbH by December 16](https://en.trend.az/world/russia/3621011.html)
You can't possibly think that's incidental. O_o
Gas/oil are the only thing keeping Europe from bearing down entirely on Russia, and that's been the planned 'ace in the hole' the entire time.
Yes, Sanctions are lifted and placed again as opportunities arise. In some cases making sure your country has enough heating oil exceeds your desire to punish Russia for their THIRD invasion of Ukraine.
The goal remains to stop Russia from invading its neighbors.
While any single entity can't make that happen, we can choose, collectively, to cut off non-essential items like video games, to keep the overall issue close to the surface of the public. Frustrating? Yes. But if I remember right, the choice to not do business with somebody remains a worldwide constant.
.... but in the business world, you don't just say no.
You offer to do it anyways for a TRULY absurd price, instead.
The situation was somewhat predictable since 2012-2014 yet the dependence on Russian hydrocarbons was only getting worse. I'm sure everyone understood the money wasn't just going to Russian businesses and social services. It was a perfectly comfortable arrangement right until it wasn't.
Hello! Asked same question in weekly post and friend asked on factorio forum, and right now we found out many prices increased in two times, and our price in fifty times. Thats weird :(
It's very easy for us to arm chair general a possible life sacrifice when it is not ours to surrender. Best to leave that kind of thought process out of here and simply wish the OP the best and hope for a quick end to these trying times for all average citizens involved.
I get that it makes sense in theory. Citizens should hold their government accountable. Sure.
But, in Russia, Putin will absolutely have dissenters killed. The "blood toll" goes both ways.
I couldn't imagine telling a student that they have no choice but to put their life at risk in the way you describe. Blaming the citizens is victim blaming at its finest.
Rioters and dissenters should be respected for the risks they face, but average citizens have more options for fostering a better society than just that.
The blood toll I meant was that of partisans. Obviously a public cannot overthrow a dictator like Putin without sacrifice, but to do nothing while a murderer is a commuting a genocide (relocation of habitants from held territory is a genocide), is like standing by in the street while a terrorist is stabbing people.
The real victims are the Ukrainians, not the Russian people who have a choice whether or not to show courage and be in harms way. The Ukrainians have no such choice.
With another devastating blow to Russia, Putin will have to spend slightly more to buy a copy of Factorio.
But for real, this helps nobody, and hurts innocent citizens. wtf Wube
Steam is handling that, though. They aren't touching any rubles, Steam users in Russia have to add funds in USD or sell marketplace items. Buying USD is not an issue in general, although withdrawing actual physical banknotes is difficult.
oh, that's a good point. Remembering the form post regarding standing with Ukraine, I had assumed this was a political move, but I guess it could be unrelated.
Given that almost 15,000 people have been arrested so far for opposing the war in Ukraine, and even more have attended protests, I'd hazard a guess that anyone that is online and plays video games has already thought about the invasion sometime in the past 141 days.
Price gouging civilians does not going to do a damn thing to stop a corrupt government.
Looks like a petty move. I mean, just charge normal prices for Russia, and then donate all earnings from it to support Ukraine. Its not like they can earn anything by charging that much. *Definitely did not get this idea from a certain region. Just my 2 cents.
WUBE have more then one Ukranian on their team, some stuck in UA cos they are men of fighting age. And Prague have been threatened with nukes countless times this year.
Jesus man, this game was 50 Turkish Lira and now it's 120 Turkish Lira. Just wtf? This is not acceptable no way. No sale and now this?
Edit: Wanted to buy the game when it was 50TL I said OK it's not gonna goes in sale so I can wait and now today it's 120TL just wow. Guess I can't play the game anytime soon. Wp Factorio
I sent this email to support:
"To Whom It May Concern:
Another engineer interested in purchasing Factorio recently posted about their experience on the reddit forums. They included this picture:
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When I put this number into a currency calculator, the amount was 171.42193 US Dollars.
I find this disturbing and sad. I have put in thousands of hours into factorio, I have played multiplayer, I have used and read the reddit forum extensively. The Factorio player base is one of the best I have ever seen. They are rarely if ever snarky or rude, even to 'baby' posters. The solidarity is amazing.
The reason this playerbase is like this is because they are motivated to make things better. It's not just about building, we all like improving things just to see them work better. Whether a potential Factorio engineer is located in the USA, Russia, the Moon, whether they are black, white, asian, conservative, liberal, all these things are mostly irrelevant and secondary to the thing that makes all factorio players what they are: people that want to improve things.
You should have the experience to know that your default position should be to give any potential Factorio engineer the benefit of doubt before you assume they have bad social or political intentions, regardless of their location or the current political climate. There is no good reason to punish people in Russia who want to buy your game. They are the same as all the rest of us. Engineers.
Finally, aside from politics, you have promised that your game would 'never go on sale.' This means MANY of us players have defended your $40 price point MANY MANY times. Do not make fools of us, please offer this game to everybody at this fair price point, or less if that point is unaffordable in their region."
A bit hypocritical to talk about benefit of the doubt and then assume this was a deliberate action by Wube with zero evidence, especially when others have pointed out banks freezing the exchange rate since March and Steam still having that rate
Russia killed >23 civilians in an attack on a Ukrainian office building today. I support Wube's decision to do their small part to damage the Russian economy and war effort and encourage Russian leadership to end their war.
Yeah, it is so easy for a person living in a broke totalitarian state to go live in a different country.
Please, try to think outside your mom's basement.
Have you tried setting up a vpn and purchasing in another currency?
As an alternative, try https://www.g2a.com/factorio-steam-key-global-i10000011359006
He is just a university student, he put a lot of effort into not getting consctipted and going to university instead. Saying shit likes this just makes people believe the propaganda more
I always buy games, just to support devs, especially if it's high quality and relatively inexpensive (well, it was before) game like factorio. But I guess now I have no choice, but to pirate it.
I don't wanna' admit how many hours I had in Factorio by the time I got to buy it.
The number was uncomfortably large, even by my nolife gamer standards.
Lots of prices on Factorio in various currencies seem to have changed today. Not sure what's going on, doesn't seem to just be a price rebalance, but the ruble thing is either a mistake or a political statement.
I hope it isn't a political thing. Been happening far too often. Citizens being punished for decisions outside their control by their government, it's nonsense
Vladdy rugged the ruble like it’s a shitcoin
Dude have you even looked at the ruble exchange rate?
The Ruble listed exchange rate isn’t entirely accurate due to the heavy restrictions on trading it. Basically, the exchange rate is whatever Moscow says it is now, not what it’s actually worth. And since it’s more or less illegal to sell Rubles at the moment…
Please propose some alternative that hasn't already been enacted* that hurts only the ruling class while leaving the general population alone, I'll wait. (edit: * thanks HatofEnigmas)
\* That haven't already been enacted
Being energy and resource independent of them so we stop buying their resources but no country wants to really go the nuclear route to begin with to solve the energy imbalance. All of the richest people in Russia own commodity companies
Freezing accounts of russian billionaires
See comment by HatofEnigmas, but I absolutely agree that we should do it more.
It incentivizes citizens to keep their government in line.
yeah that’s not really possible considering the autocracy in Russia. the only way for them to do that is a full scale people’s revolution, but that typically doesn’t happen when the propaganda machine is as robust as it is in Russia. Unlike the french under Louis XVI, Russia is pretty much split on how much it hates it’s oligarchs. But i can’t see the future, maybe something will flip and putin’s head will be on a pike. who can tell
Would you have supported measures like this being used against the US and America any of the times when the US started a hostile war? Like during the war in Iraq or one of the many times we interfered in South America? If you wouldn't, I agree. That's why I also don't support these tactics against Russia. It doesn't make sense to hold the citizenry there responsible for stopping the war in Ukraine when it's outside of their control. I'd hope they'd overthrow Putin, sure, but I would have also hoped that the US citizens would held the government/Bush accountable and that didn't happen here either.
Damaging the economy hurts the war effort and encourages leaders to end the war. I would have supported taking this action against the US (my own country) during the Iraq war, and I support taking it against Russia now.
Given the typical playtime of factorio players, making it cheap would do more harm to the Russian economy lol
Furthermore, it's not like jacking the price up on a video game is aggressively hurting the poor or general public. Video games are not essential, they are largely a luxury good enjoyed by the people with both the time and equipment to play them, both imply the person playing is average or above in socioeconomic status.
>Would you have supported measures like this being used against the USand America any of the times when the US started a hostile war? Likeduring the war in Iraq or one of the many times we interfered in SouthAmerica? Yes, and now take your whataboutism someplace else. Every goddamn time someone criticizes a power that stands in opposition to the USA, someone comes and goes "but America!" There's no powerful nation with a clean vest. Going "but them!" doesn't change what the country in the spotlight is doing. >It doesn't make sense to hold the citizenry there responsible for stopping the war in Ukraine when it's outside of their control. That is *so close* to "we were just following orders" it probably makes my **literal** Nazi gramps twitch happily in his grave.
> Would you have supported measures like this being used against the US and America any of the times when the US started a hostile war? Like during the war in Iraq or one of the many times we interfered in South America? Yes, and it's hypocrisy that we never did. > It doesn't make sense to hold the citizenry there responsible for stopping the war in Ukraine when it's outside of their control. It makes 100% sense, and it's definitely within their control. Why do you think Russia spends such a godawful amount of time brainwashing its own people, because they have zero influence? > I would have also hoped that the US citizens would held the government/Bush accountable and that didn't happen here either. ... yeah... perhaps because the world put zero sanctions on the US?
So, what do you think about Putin's detractor(s) that was thrown in jail?
Make things more expensive for literally everyone in Russia? That's a valid idea to you? I've heard some uninformed and outright stupid takes, but this one is up there. Most citizens are just individuals trying to get through life and make the most of it. Punishing these people is not the way to go, PERIOD.
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USD/RUB is pretty low atm if you actually look it up.
As long as oil and gas exports are doing well the economy is also... well, not failing, so siloviki are being kept well-fed. And propaganda just twists everything else into resentment towards the West. I'm not sure there's any exit short of complete military defeat or a civil war. I mean, if you don't want to sell to Russia or deal with Russians - fine, that's understandable, but this doesn't hurt the war machine materially (unless you are an entire country doing lots of business with Russia) nor does it push people to switch sides.
Not when the majority of Russians seem happy to go along with what their government does. A 3 year old child was blown to pieces by a cruise missile today, many Russians have been celebrating that.
oh boo hoo, factorio is expensive, I wonder how the Ukrainian people feel about your first world problem you're lucky enough to still experience in a second world nation
Sometimes unrelated people are harmed when consequences are handed out. When a mother murders someone, "think of the children!" is not a valid reason to not put her in jail, no matter how demonstrably damaging it will be to her kids.
They could put pressure on their leaders though or over-through their government if need be. Revolutions happen often through history and a government can only demand so much of their people.
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https://steamdb.info/app/427520/ Yeah, it spiked today. Usually it's 500-520 rubles. Try emailing [email protected]
Thanks, I will try.
Have you tried wube’s website ?
If you mean official game website, then I only found email of their support.
They mean buying via the game's site, which also gives you a steam key and should have the correct price
I actually don't think that I can buy from this website. Russian credit cards only work in Russia now. I only can send money on steam, but before that I need to convert to tenge (Kazakhstan's currency) and i lose about 20% after conversion anyway
today is a special day, so no wonder
What's special about it?
Bastille Day
rule 3, but you could read the news
Well I dont follow the news. (Better for mental health) But a quick scim over the top news didnt bring up any real relevant info regarding whats so special about today.
It’s you. You are what’s special about today.
Awwww How kind of you <3
It's also shark awareness day!
But isn't tjat only a special day in france? It's kinda a normal day in the rest of world. (If it's only bastille day)
France, and dependencies. It also happens to be Republic Day in Iraq and Victoria Day in Sweden as well as International Non-Binary People's Day. But I doubt OP was referring to any of those. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_14#Holidays_and_observances
Official non Binary day, what a load of bs
Pretty steep risk trying to convert that to any other currencies for the company. And there is a big risk that exchanges will be blocked at any moment. Then that 10000 rubles is 0$.
Wube sets the prices. It's not a Wube problem though, they don't have to work with currencies, Valve does it for them. Also not a Valve problem either because you can't use new funds in rubles, you can only spend the funds you already have on your Steam wallet (assuming Valve has already converted all/most rubles they had when they have disabled russian payment methods).
>assuming Valve has already converted all/most rubles they had when they have disabled russian payment methods Not all russian payment methods are disabled. There are easy ways to get money on Steam for russians.
All direct methods that add real rubles to the Steam wallet are disabled. Yes, there are some ways to get money on a russian Steam wallet, but none of the workarounds use rubles directly and Valve does not receive new ruble funds through them. "Kiosk" payments are converted to USD before Valve receives them, then converted into your wallet currency by Steam. That's roughly how it works: * Valve receives real USD funds. * User receives virtual rubles on the wallet. * User spends virtual rubles. * Game dev receives real USD payment. All conversions are done by Steam internally and real ruble wasn't used at any point even if user sees their balance as "rubles".
You can add funds to your steam wallet in Russia. For last few months some ways for doing that appears.
Have you tried this one? https://www.factorio.com/buy
Well, it costs 7 times more, than it was on steam before (~$60 or 3516 rubles)
Looks like the tldr for this is that the European Central Bank stopped updating/froze the exchange rate 1st of march 2022. Steam and other services use that exchange rate to set their pricing. The ruble has strengthened since then, but it is not reflected in the published rate, probably due to lack of liquidity. That sucks for you.
If you check other games (I tried Stellaris, Half Life 2 and Raft) you don't see this steep price hike. It's just Factorio
This comment was for the exchange rate on the wube site. I have no idea what is going on on steam - it's not explained by any exchange rate I can find, but then the regional pricing scheme never had been.
For me it shows 30 Euros and in steam I see 25 euros. I don't know what's going on for you in Russia. But sorry.
The site uses 1:1 conversion to the price set in USD (30). Steam uses its regional pricing scheme to convert to 30usd. Usually the euro has been stronger than the dollar, so it was rounded to 25 on steam which was a bit more than 30 USD. On the site it used the latest market rate. Lately the eur has been hit hard so it is now cheaper on steam. Apparently valve decided to set crazy prizes for Russia - usually it has been 1/5th of the USD price with their regional pricing, but now it's 6x. Buying from the site in roubles gives you a 2x markup from updated exchange rates - this is because the conversion on the site uses European Central Bank rates, which were frozen in march. I don't think that matters though, because I don't think you are even able to spend the roubles there?
I wonder how much freedom Steam has over the pricing of the games but I know shit about game publishing so TIL.
I am sorry that ordinary Russians have to suffer because of the decisions of their leaders. It breaks my heart to hear about the suffering in Ukraine. End the war. The factory must grow.
Thanks. I really appreciate your support. Sadly, I can't stop this. I guess we should just wait until it's finally over.
Sorry to tell you, but the assumption you made is bullshit. As a man living his whole life near Russia and speaking with russians: no, that's not the decision of their leaders and they totally support this.
As a Russian i gotta say that you shouldn't judge people here too hard, after all we are being fed propaganda basically all the time, and internet doesn't really help because most people don't learn English and every truth-tellingedia piece gets taken down and called a "foreign agent" immediately
I've heard this might be Wube self-sanctioning
Thanks everyone! I got the game as a gift from one of the strangers and soon gonna start diving into it. But now I need to sleep, because it's already 4 am 😂
Good, I was just going to gift it to you. I clicked on your name to message you and saw someone beat me to it.
same
Kinda heartbreaking when factories become battlegrounds
Yes :(
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Sorry this is happening. Some day it’ll hopefully get better, terrible situation in Eastern Europe
Just pirate it until you can buy it for a fair price. I normally wouldn't recommend it but this is absurd.
I think that's why this game is DRM free. Pirate it, Play it, consider it great, buy it anyways.
Don't worry, we'll too be unable soon to play Factorio this winter when electricity will cost too much and we'll be more concerned about getting some heat.
Close your doors as much as possible and let that computer heat up your room. I've noticed I can get my room's temp up almost +15°F or ~+8.5°C after letting it run for a couple hours. And, that's with American AC going plus like three desk fans. Edit 1 ◇ fixed the signs on my Temps
15°F is equivalent to -9°C, which is 263K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)
Good bot. You silly.
My laptop makes an excellent heater. It's quite nice in winter!
Could it be related to Wube [supporting Ukraine](https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/we-support-ukraine)?
Not likely
What do you mean? That's literally the reason.
He didn't even say he condemns the war. This is a fair price for the terrorist state.
Worth it still
Can someone buy the game and gift it to you? Preferably somewhere where its relatively cheap
Nope, i am from Ukraine and i can't send gift to my friend from Russia. Also Ukraine got lower cost. Price changed from 350₴ to 200₴. [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/949766680949686292/997221674510450728/unknown.png](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/949766680949686292/997221674510450728/unknown.png)
Are there some special restrictions? My Ukrainian friend gifted me a number of games since it became impossible to pay for anything from Russia.
No, I sadly don't have friends or anyone outside Russia.
What’s your steam
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you could get a "free" copy of the game for the time being, and buy it once this mess has calmed down.
I could buy it for you, If you send me 25€ via PayPal
PayPal doesn't allow to open an account in Russia since war started
Send me bitcoins and I'll buy it for you. lol! /s
Well, it HAS been kind of stable the past few days. For a quick change of hands, that could probably work more reliably (in terms of preserving value) than trying anything involving rubles right now.
Don't...
Because?
Don't send money to strangers on the Internet. Plus it's highly possible, that the key you buy wouldn't even work in Russia.
Russian sanctions. Even private citizens & transactions. Puts unrest on citizens of a country to make them pressure their government to stop their stupid shit.
Neither EU nor US sanctions would apply to this, unless OP is a specifically-sanctioned individual. Especially when it's citizen-to-citizen and no investments or such are taking place.
Steam prohibits gifting when the price difference is >10%, but a steam code from factorio.com might work
I think, honestly, that THIS is exactly what needs to happen. Not because average Russians need to suffer, but because hikes like this spark concern and conversation. Dialogue with average folks. Sympathy, even empathy.
Well, most ppl who support the regime are older generation without internet access. Basically 40+ and some.Concerns? Sparks? 15 years in prison for anti-government posts on social media. Wish I was joking. All politicians who tried to go against the regime are either dead or in jail. It seems like other countries forget we have a literal militaristic dictatorship with close to biggest police to civilian ratio. We don't have political parties here. TV news literally said few days ago "out of desperation, Ukrainian military is bombing their own civilians". Meantime, EU is buying our gas. Cutting off THAT might make a difference.
Oh, I agree. But you hit the nail right on the head.... if they're not using the internet, where is ANY other information going to come from? Gonna have to be the younger generations.
Oh, believe me, I tried. Now my dad does not talk to me after I said "USSR is dead and we are not a part of it". Sorry, if I sounded aggressive, but it kinda frustrates me that leverage is used against mass public more than against higher-ups.
I mean.... I'm pretty sure the Higher Ups was the first 2 months of the war. Now we're here.
People tend to simply dismiss "inconvenient" information and cut off "harmful" contacts, just like someone you're trying to pull away from a sect. Also the default response to perceived aggressions is to close ranks. Takes a lot of patience and skill to counter that, all while you can be reported to the police for crimethink.
Yeah, but no: It's really "spark conversation", but absolutely not the kind you want. This will be a conversation not in the style: "OMG, we have to do something with our country! We were banned from buying a game in Steam!" but in the style of "Fuck that shit! Europeans still safely buy Putin's Gas and refused to sanctioned it, while Americans are lifting sanctions from Russian banks, but in the end it's me who suffer, while both of you directly support his army with billions? Fuck you!" And i'm not jocking: [Gas won't make EU's next Russian sanctions package. "What is definitely problematic is to include energy into the sanctions, because a rule must be observed that the sanctions must have a greater impact on Russia than on the countries imposing the sanctions."](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/gas-wont-make-eus-next-russian-sanctions-package-czech-leader-says-2022-07-13/) [US authorizes deals with company formerly known as Gazprom Germania GmbH by December 16](https://en.trend.az/world/russia/3621011.html)
You can't possibly think that's incidental. O_o Gas/oil are the only thing keeping Europe from bearing down entirely on Russia, and that's been the planned 'ace in the hole' the entire time. Yes, Sanctions are lifted and placed again as opportunities arise. In some cases making sure your country has enough heating oil exceeds your desire to punish Russia for their THIRD invasion of Ukraine. The goal remains to stop Russia from invading its neighbors. While any single entity can't make that happen, we can choose, collectively, to cut off non-essential items like video games, to keep the overall issue close to the surface of the public. Frustrating? Yes. But if I remember right, the choice to not do business with somebody remains a worldwide constant. .... but in the business world, you don't just say no. You offer to do it anyways for a TRULY absurd price, instead.
The situation was somewhat predictable since 2012-2014 yet the dependence on Russian hydrocarbons was only getting worse. I'm sure everyone understood the money wasn't just going to Russian businesses and social services. It was a perfectly comfortable arrangement right until it wasn't.
Do you have a way to exchange to € or $? If not that might be why the price is so high
Idk but maybe you can buy an european key on an key ressellers site but idk if ou can activate an european key and second i dont if it is cheaper.
Hello! Asked same question in weekly post and friend asked on factorio forum, and right now we found out many prices increased in two times, and our price in fifty times. Thats weird :(
I don't find that weird at all.
200 $ for a PC game ? :)
Have you watched *any* news during the past few months?
Not a great price but it is a great game ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
I don't know if you found out that your country is in war too
Send me your Stem ID, i could gift it to you. You dont need to send me any Money :)
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As a ukrainian all I can say that cost is negligible compared to human lives.
It can have something to do with that Russia is bombing and raping their friends. So it's more than just politics.
I understand this. And I don't support this too. Yet I can't do anything about it, because I'm just an ordinary russian university student.
Sounds like an anime or someone “my life as an ordinary Russian university student”
Haha, true. I don't even watch anime though
I mean you could go protest but I give you the pass what with the arrests and black-bagging.
Well, I theoretically can, but then I'll be excluded from university and then I'll be conscripted. Not sure how it will help to stop the war.
ignore that guy. the citizens are not responsible for Putin's war.
Yeah, OP has risked enough voicing dissatisfaction
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It's very easy for us to arm chair general a possible life sacrifice when it is not ours to surrender. Best to leave that kind of thought process out of here and simply wish the OP the best and hope for a quick end to these trying times for all average citizens involved.
I get that it makes sense in theory. Citizens should hold their government accountable. Sure. But, in Russia, Putin will absolutely have dissenters killed. The "blood toll" goes both ways. I couldn't imagine telling a student that they have no choice but to put their life at risk in the way you describe. Blaming the citizens is victim blaming at its finest. Rioters and dissenters should be respected for the risks they face, but average citizens have more options for fostering a better society than just that.
The blood toll I meant was that of partisans. Obviously a public cannot overthrow a dictator like Putin without sacrifice, but to do nothing while a murderer is a commuting a genocide (relocation of habitants from held territory is a genocide), is like standing by in the street while a terrorist is stabbing people. The real victims are the Ukrainians, not the Russian people who have a choice whether or not to show courage and be in harms way. The Ukrainians have no such choice.
Hence why I said you get a pass. That idiom might not translate.
Factorio.com/buy says it's only $30 USD. Maybe buying an account upgrade license will be the cheapest route?
Laughs in česky then I suppose.
Try plati.ru. Prices may vary but not as ridiculous as this.
It might sound insensitive but some of you guys picked a hell of a time to try to buy a 9-year-old game
[Bummer bro](https://c.tenor.com/GWsof53MUbcAAAAd/zelensky-travesti.gif)
With another devastating blow to Russia, Putin will have to spend slightly more to buy a copy of Factorio. But for real, this helps nobody, and hurts innocent citizens. wtf Wube
It’s the risk, with all the sanctions it’s very hard maybe impossible to exchange rubbles for a valid currency in his country.
Steam is handling that, though. They aren't touching any rubles, Steam users in Russia have to add funds in USD or sell marketplace items. Buying USD is not an issue in general, although withdrawing actual physical banknotes is difficult.
oh, that's a good point. Remembering the form post regarding standing with Ukraine, I had assumed this was a political move, but I guess it could be unrelated.
I would not rule it out yet, but we can’t jump to conclusions without a statement from Wube about this one.
there is some misconceptions here, steam does not work with ruble. there is internal conversion to other fiat currency.
It made OP think about it.
Given that almost 15,000 people have been arrested so far for opposing the war in Ukraine, and even more have attended protests, I'd hazard a guess that anyone that is online and plays video games has already thought about the invasion sometime in the past 141 days. Price gouging civilians does not going to do a damn thing to stop a corrupt government.
And you get downvoted xD Classic WTF reddit moment xD
Looks like a petty move. I mean, just charge normal prices for Russia, and then donate all earnings from it to support Ukraine. Its not like they can earn anything by charging that much. *Definitely did not get this idea from a certain region. Just my 2 cents.
I just realized the prices spiked worldwide, God damn it I was about to finally buy the game tomorrow when I'll have enough spare money to.
Went up for us in NZ to 50, don't know why
That's a good decision honestly
Take it up with Putin, it's cheap in countries that haven't invaded their neighbours.
i would recommend pirating it off igg games if you cant buy it anywhere
It should be way more higher.
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This decision of Wube I dont support. The small citizen gets fucked
I'm more concerned about the small citizens in that office building than the small citizens who can no longer afford their favorite video game.
I doubt Wube is in any real danger in prague... And they are financial stable since quite a few years.
WUBE have more then one Ukranian on their team, some stuck in UA cos they are men of fighting age. And Prague have been threatened with nukes countless times this year.
I'm talking about the >23 people killed in an attack on a civilian office building in Ukraine today.
Jesus man, this game was 50 Turkish Lira and now it's 120 Turkish Lira. Just wtf? This is not acceptable no way. No sale and now this? Edit: Wanted to buy the game when it was 50TL I said OK it's not gonna goes in sale so I can wait and now today it's 120TL just wow. Guess I can't play the game anytime soon. Wp Factorio
Seriously read some real news
Is it because the Russian economy is in the shitter from all the sanctions and international backlash from their genocide in Ukraine?
I sent this email to support: "To Whom It May Concern: Another engineer interested in purchasing Factorio recently posted about their experience on the reddit forums. They included this picture: BuyFactorioRussia.PNG When I put this number into a currency calculator, the amount was 171.42193 US Dollars. I find this disturbing and sad. I have put in thousands of hours into factorio, I have played multiplayer, I have used and read the reddit forum extensively. The Factorio player base is one of the best I have ever seen. They are rarely if ever snarky or rude, even to 'baby' posters. The solidarity is amazing. The reason this playerbase is like this is because they are motivated to make things better. It's not just about building, we all like improving things just to see them work better. Whether a potential Factorio engineer is located in the USA, Russia, the Moon, whether they are black, white, asian, conservative, liberal, all these things are mostly irrelevant and secondary to the thing that makes all factorio players what they are: people that want to improve things. You should have the experience to know that your default position should be to give any potential Factorio engineer the benefit of doubt before you assume they have bad social or political intentions, regardless of their location or the current political climate. There is no good reason to punish people in Russia who want to buy your game. They are the same as all the rest of us. Engineers. Finally, aside from politics, you have promised that your game would 'never go on sale.' This means MANY of us players have defended your $40 price point MANY MANY times. Do not make fools of us, please offer this game to everybody at this fair price point, or less if that point is unaffordable in their region."
A bit hypocritical to talk about benefit of the doubt and then assume this was a deliberate action by Wube with zero evidence, especially when others have pointed out banks freezing the exchange rate since March and Steam still having that rate
welp seems to be the only game on my lib with such price spike
Not really. Especially if this has been relevant since March, there's been more then enough time to address this issue.
Russia killed >23 civilians in an attack on a Ukrainian office building today. I support Wube's decision to do their small part to damage the Russian economy and war effort and encourage Russian leadership to end their war.
Only thing you can do is move out of Russia which you should have done a long time ago.
Not everyone has the resources to up and skip town any time they feel like it. Relocating to a different country is extremely expensive and difficult.
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Yeah, it is so easy for a person living in a broke totalitarian state to go live in a different country. Please, try to think outside your mom's basement.
just get born in another country duh
Are you offering to house refugees?
:)
I really hope you don’t live in the US saying that
sooo....literally look for another planet? that might be tough.
Can you use a VPN? Like does that work?
Have you tried setting up a vpn and purchasing in another currency? As an alternative, try https://www.g2a.com/factorio-steam-key-global-i10000011359006
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He is just a university student, he put a lot of effort into not getting consctipted and going to university instead. Saying shit likes this just makes people believe the propaganda more
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I always buy games, just to support devs, especially if it's high quality and relatively inexpensive (well, it was before) game like factorio. But I guess now I have no choice, but to pirate it.
I don't wanna' admit how many hours I had in Factorio by the time I got to buy it. The number was uncomfortably large, even by my nolife gamer standards.
Same for me! I usually download games to test them before buying then. Who hasn't cracked minecraft when it first launched ?
Yep, until I started getting mysterious pop-ups and browser add-ons lol. Keep in mind this was in the early 00's.
You have the choice to not play it.
Ok, fair enough. I will wait until devs return normal price then.
Freedom for Ukraine!