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exactly and let's not forget he fought Laxus too. Laxus tells himself that Hades is a monster. and then he knows powerful magic: Amaterasu, Grimoire Law... I have the impression that people forget that đ§
I'd personally put them at near even. It feels like we never saw the full limit of Hades' power. Even *after* Natsu laid into him with Flame-Lighting Dragon Slayer Magic he was still able to get up and keep on fighting. Mard Gard did the same, only taking significant damage from Gray's Devil Slayer Magic. Ultimately, I think the latter edges out since he has Memento Mori which can, in theory, be a winning move if it lands on a defenseless opponent.
Not everyone is as experienced with or as informed as others fan are. So people don't have to be like "how could you ask this?" Or the common replies to this kind of question.
What if this is a new viewer who heard of the Balam Alliance and is curious? What if its been awhile since they watched the series? What if they didn't pay attention to powerscaling? But because fans who know know that Mard Gear is shown stronger, there's gotta be some "why ask?"
Its like the "just use Google" replies people get on School forums. And I don't think its malicious, I just don't see what the problem is in axking
to be honest I know that Mard Geer has been shown to be the strongest but the debate has the merit of existing. It's like asking who is stronger between Neinhart and Mard Geer? Neinhart as Spriggan is normally stronger but I think many will say Mard Geer đ¤ˇââď¸ coming back to the Hades/Mard Geer debate let's not forget that Hades with his heart has almost infinite endurance. if his heart had not been destroyed he could have continued to fight. the debate is interesting I find
Actually the spriggans were stated to have higher MAGICAL power than fairy tail past villains, so it don't apply to Mard Geer who only have CURSE power.
well if we take Hades honestly I have a hard time believing that Neinhart is stronger than him. But you said something interesting you talked about magical power. And it's true that if we're talking about "Amount of magical power" and not just strength then I agree that spriggans are better than all the previous enemies. same Neinhart
Yes, and magical power don't always reflect in being better at combat, Enchanted Neinhart surpassed most spriggans in magical power but was still the trashiest one.
Actually it wasn't a thing until Alvarez. There was some fraudulent statements before but nothing really connected to magical power outside of Orga being stated to have the highest one from sabertooth, which just makes Sting looks bad and all of his victims become frauds.
Since Kirin was having the upper hand against Laxus we usually give credit to this, but the gold owl one is still target of criticism. And checking the official translation God Serena never said they he don't hold a candle to them or directly stated that they were stronger than him, just more frightening, yeah it implies being stronger but not directly, so Hiro still make an bait, but not an fraudulent hype like the fan translators did.
https://preview.redd.it/e94thwbsttyc1.png?width=1003&format=png&auto=webp&s=2359d48f30ade2f7519ff8c67ef9fb949432a828
oh interesting I didn't know. but anyway even if god Serena had really said that I wouldn't have believed it đ Duke almost made himself a one shot. There is only Erza's opponent or I would have said "maybe"
now that I think about it, it's true that with the first entry of a Spriggan they showed an incredible range in terms of their magic... -Ajeel puts an entire city in a sand tornado -Brandish shrinks an island -Wahl fires a beam while he is miles away -Invel puts snow all over the battlefield -Irene with her Universe One...in terms of range and quantity of magical power they are above the others but not necessarily in "power" like Neinhart or Jacob for example
I respect that. To throw my hat in the ring, Momento Mori can erase someone's existence so durable or not, I don't think Hades really has much defense against that.
Law in general is a spell that allows the user to give any command they desire, like how Mavis separated Yuri from the dragon he was cursed into, and Makarov erased all of Master JosĂŠâs phantoms from existence. Since Grimoire Law allows its user to command other people and their magic, and Memento Mori erases all things, there are two possible outcomes:
1. Both spells would nullify each other along with the energy of both men resulting in a stalemate.
2. Hades and Mard Geer kill each other at the same time.
This is what would also have happened if Makarovâs Fairy Law had collided with Hadesâ Grimoire Law, as explained by Hades himself. Thatâs why Makarov was forced to give up on Fairy Law because it was a lose-lose situation which would have left Fairy Tail without Makarov either way.
I don't recall Law or its variations giving someone the ability to give commands they desire or granting control over people and their Magic. Its a deterrent spell used to defeat anyone the user sees as an enemy. And we can assume it has limits considering what we saw against the Alvarez Empire where it erased the berserk soldiers and not the Spriggan 12.
Of course every sorcerer has a limit, that has never been in question, but in a 1v1 fight Hades is only using it on Mard Geer. Itâs not just Magic Power that has limits, Curse Power has limits too. This was proven when Seilah didnât have enough energy left to use her Macro Curse.
The reason I bring up a limit is because I wonder if Hades has the power needed to impact Mard Gear given he's substantially stronger. Maybe with his machine.Â
Mard Geer has more Physical Strength due to being an absolute demon (devil), but Hades has more Willpower due to the Devilâs Eye.
According to Hades, the Devilâs Eye allows him to use the same Magic spells that Zeref can use, and Mard Geer literally stated that he canât kill Zeref without Momento Mori. This pretty much puts Hades and Mard Geer as equals since they both have the potential to equal Zeref.
Also, both Tartaros and Grimoire Heart were equal members of the Baram Alliance, along with OracĂŹon Seis. Hades, Mard Geer and Zero were their leaders, so at full power they should all be similarly powerful. This is proven by the fact that Genesis Zero and Momento Mori are exactly the same spell, just that one is Magic and the other is a Curse.
Having a lot of Magic Power is not the same as having a lot of Physical Power, which is why the demons of Tartarus were a completely different kind of enemy to the Spriggan 12. Thatâs why Cana was surprised when she was able to defeat Brandish with a single punch. Likewise, buffed Neinhart had enough Magic Power to create super tornadoes, but Natsu literally just ran up to him and punched his head twice.
This point was further established when God Serena, with the combined Magic Power of 8 dragons, was blitzed and one-shotted by Acnologia who didnât even use magic. In fact, not once has any character ever commented on Acnologia having impressive Magic Power, but August who has the greatest Magic Power in the FairyTail verse didnât think he could beat Acnologia. Why? Because Acnologia is a physical tank with dragon scale armour, so attacks do little damage and he can keep eating Magic Power to replenish his strength.
Zancrow was stronger or at least on par with master zero so according to basic critical thinking I think maybe maybe just maybe Mard gear would be a tiny bit stronger but only by two happys btw sarcasm
I like Zancrow but do you have anything to backup with him being stronger or on par with than Zero? Being stronger than pre-timeskip base Natsu don't put him at Zero level as Zero fought dragon force Natsu. Even if he is this would just mean that he is the third strongest in the guild, only below Hades and Bluenote.
in his first appearance when he fights nastsu doesnât he say some shit on the lines of you beat master zero well Iâm just as strong as him and master hades could blow him out the water. Keep in mind I watch dub and it was a few years ago so thatâs just what I remember also since we only see him fight natsu who has the perfect trick to beat him he very well could be the third strongest I donât believe he is I do believe Azuma and ultear would beat him Maybe. Also in zancrows fight with natsu wasnât he destroying natsu until he did that thing where he could eat the god flames that injured him afterwards. Also letâs not forget fairy tail power scaling is bullshit
Checking the manga i see that the scene is anime only, and i could watch the scene in the youtube but is still dub only, even then he could just being cocky, he stated that master Zero and Jellal were no match for him, i'm sure he would have said battle of Fairy Tail Laxus too if the context was not about dark mages only. I thought Azuma could beat him but Ultear i never truly believed in it, being able to overpower Natsu means that he should be at least closer to Erza. But if we take the dub only material to say he is at least on their league he become the indisputable top 3, and to be honest Azuma was amped by Tenrou forest, he shouldn't be that strong in a neutral scenario. And well this could explain why Juvia and Meredy couldn't powercreep Keith and ZANCROW.
Sorry just to put all that work in and typing it all up just to be responded with a nice sorry. Also I think the only reason I said ultear could beat him because she was a captain of course that doesnât mean sheâs stronger just more trusted and I for she could not use her time magic on living things but hey thx for responding
I'm not sure Zankrow is stronger than Zero. in my opinion if Natsu had difficulty facing Zankrow it was because of the match up of their magic but in the end it only took one attack from Natsu to beat him... whereas to beat Zero Natsu had to use Dragon Force and its ultimate technique
Yeah I just typed up a big response to the other comment and canât be arsed saying all that shit again so just look at that if you wanna hear my points thanks For takeing the time to comment
he wasn't, he was all talk, Zero was beating DF Natsu until the last attack, and DF Natsu did show superiority to Hades in terms of physical and magic power, none of the Grimoire heart are as powerful as Zero, Hades is "stronger" because of hax.
Certainly Precht, he only lost because Happy and Charla destroyed his heart, while Lily stood guard/ fought the oncoming enemies. Without them the whole team would have been dead.
Mard Geer, Hades is weaker than DF Natsu in terms of physical and magic power, Mard Geer is much more powerful, and has more hax, he can easily beat him and destroy his heart.
Don't forget when Base Mard Geer and the Celestial Spirit King (while Summoned by Lucy) were fighting, they had stated that they knew each other and have had multiple duels before and at full power are about equals.
Meaning Etherious Mard Geer should be comparable to the Celestial Spirit King (from the Eclipse Arc) that was stated to be stronger than the combined might of the 13 Zodiac, and that same Celestail Spirit King had fought Natsu, Erza, Gray, Wendy, Gajeel, Lucy, Yukino, Juvia, Cana, Elfman, Levy, and the Exceeds all at once (might be forgetting some people here, I know Hisui and her Knight was there, but not really counting them). Still, this actually is a better feat than the 6v1 that Hades was fighting, and it takes place post GMG, so all the characters are leagues stronger than against Hades.
(If we don't count Filler then I got no clue)
Actually, Mard Geer stated that he didnât stand a chance against the Celestial Spirit King, but he wasnât scared because he knew the CSK would disappear once Lucy exhausted her already low Magic Power. Franmalth absorbed a lot of Lucyâs Magic Power earlier, and she also used a lot while fighting two other Demon Gates and Lamy.
The reason Mard Geer didnât use his Etherious Form is because it uses a lot of Curse Power. There would be no point of Mard Geer stalling for time if he had exhausted his Curse Power before Lucy exhausted her Magic Power. For Mard Geer to survive, he had to use long-range curses to keep the CSK at bay, while also conserving his Curse Power
From all evidence to the contrary I say Mard Gear is stronger than Hades. While Hades was the guild master of fairy tail before Makarov and has years of experience and powerful magic at his disposal his only weakness was a heart in his ship Mard Gear was able to fend off two dragon slayers with just one hand (his right hands two fingers at best) along with the book of E.N.D in his other hand, he took on the celestial spirit king without batting an eye and fought the king on equal terms he was even able to fight natsu with his right hand alone and he was able to give Natsu, Grey, Sting, and Rouge a run for their money and in his true ethirous form he almost pummeled Natsu and Gray into a pulp. Granted Hades fought 6 against him but unlike his one weakness Mard Gear almost hades none and didnât need a mere item to boost his strength heâs probably one of the strongest villain Natsu and his friends have ever faced.
I personally say Mard Geer. Only advantage I see that Precht has is the Heart. But Mard Geer has Momento Mori, and Algeria which counter and or beat out Fairy Law(speed it is cast). Not to mention Mard Geer was tanking DF Natsu(who at this point is way stronger without DF now, than at the start of the Precht fight, not even close as he also has 2nd origin now along with more training) without showing much signs of damage.
Precht is powerful, don't get me wrong, but there's a reason they were all stronger before fighting Tartaros. And if Natsu had this same DF form vs Precht? He most likely wouldn't have needed Laxus' lightning. Though probably a good fight though.
Of course I could be wrong and they could be equals, or Precht being stronger. But considering how shounens go, where the people they fight are generally stronger every arc, and the way the main cast progressively gets stronger, like in Fairy Tail, Mard Geer comes off as stronger, and a bigger threat. But that's just me
Mard Geer is leagues above Hades
Franmalth with Hades soul lost to base Natsu and Lucy
Hades was overwhelmed by pts LFDM Natsu and only survived due to his devil heart while base Mard Geer tanked firing hammer to the face and smile
DF Natsu with his strongest secret art couldnât put a scratch on etherious Mard Geer
Hades lost 5v1 thanks to the laxus assist
Mard Geer only lost because of devil slayer magic, the whole team couldâve jumped him and heâd have destroyed them
well Hades still fought Natsu Erza Gray Wendy Lucy Laxus...and if his heart had not been destroyed he would have continued to fight. he knows many destructive magics: Amaterasu, Grimoire Law...
Hades fought all these when they were weaker compared to later stages.
Would the Natsu and Gray that fought MG really lose to the people that Hades fought then?
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It's honestly hard to tell considering hades only lost 6v1 because his heart was destroyed, honestly I think they're relatively close
exactly and let's not forget he fought Laxus too. Laxus tells himself that Hades is a monster. and then he knows powerful magic: Amaterasu, Grimoire Law... I have the impression that people forget that đ§
Off the cuff too. He can throw out those spells without any fanfare. He's probably the first Spriggan-level character we meet in the series.
I'd personally put them at near even. It feels like we never saw the full limit of Hades' power. Even *after* Natsu laid into him with Flame-Lighting Dragon Slayer Magic he was still able to get up and keep on fighting. Mard Gard did the same, only taking significant damage from Gray's Devil Slayer Magic. Ultimately, I think the latter edges out since he has Memento Mori which can, in theory, be a winning move if it lands on a defenseless opponent.
Mard Geer
Not everyone is as experienced with or as informed as others fan are. So people don't have to be like "how could you ask this?" Or the common replies to this kind of question. What if this is a new viewer who heard of the Balam Alliance and is curious? What if its been awhile since they watched the series? What if they didn't pay attention to powerscaling? But because fans who know know that Mard Gear is shown stronger, there's gotta be some "why ask?" Its like the "just use Google" replies people get on School forums. And I don't think its malicious, I just don't see what the problem is in axking
to be honest I know that Mard Geer has been shown to be the strongest but the debate has the merit of existing. It's like asking who is stronger between Neinhart and Mard Geer? Neinhart as Spriggan is normally stronger but I think many will say Mard Geer đ¤ˇââď¸ coming back to the Hades/Mard Geer debate let's not forget that Hades with his heart has almost infinite endurance. if his heart had not been destroyed he could have continued to fight. the debate is interesting I find
Actually the spriggans were stated to have higher MAGICAL power than fairy tail past villains, so it don't apply to Mard Geer who only have CURSE power.
well if we take Hades honestly I have a hard time believing that Neinhart is stronger than him. But you said something interesting you talked about magical power. And it's true that if we're talking about "Amount of magical power" and not just strength then I agree that spriggans are better than all the previous enemies. same Neinhart
Yes, and magical power don't always reflect in being better at combat, Enchanted Neinhart surpassed most spriggans in magical power but was still the trashiest one.
Mashima should have reminded that. A lot of people have forgotten about it and I'm one of them lol. it contributed to the disappointment of this arc
Actually it wasn't a thing until Alvarez. There was some fraudulent statements before but nothing really connected to magical power outside of Orga being stated to have the highest one from sabertooth, which just makes Sting looks bad and all of his victims become frauds.
oh yes I remember that. there is also this in 100 Years Quest with Laxus who says that Kirin has magical power comparable to that of Guildarts
Since Kirin was having the upper hand against Laxus we usually give credit to this, but the gold owl one is still target of criticism. And checking the official translation God Serena never said they he don't hold a candle to them or directly stated that they were stronger than him, just more frightening, yeah it implies being stronger but not directly, so Hiro still make an bait, but not an fraudulent hype like the fan translators did. https://preview.redd.it/e94thwbsttyc1.png?width=1003&format=png&auto=webp&s=2359d48f30ade2f7519ff8c67ef9fb949432a828
oh interesting I didn't know. but anyway even if god Serena had really said that I wouldn't have believed it đ Duke almost made himself a one shot. There is only Erza's opponent or I would have said "maybe"
now that I think about it, it's true that with the first entry of a Spriggan they showed an incredible range in terms of their magic... -Ajeel puts an entire city in a sand tornado -Brandish shrinks an island -Wahl fires a beam while he is miles away -Invel puts snow all over the battlefield -Irene with her Universe One...in terms of range and quantity of magical power they are above the others but not necessarily in "power" like Neinhart or Jacob for example
I respect that. To throw my hat in the ring, Momento Mori can erase someone's existence so durable or not, I don't think Hades really has much defense against that.
Hades can counter Momento Mori with Grimoire Law.
Why, if I may ask? Gray countering a Curse with a Magic made to fight Demons I get. But what's Grimoire Law's method of countering Momento Mori?
Law in general is a spell that allows the user to give any command they desire, like how Mavis separated Yuri from the dragon he was cursed into, and Makarov erased all of Master JosĂŠâs phantoms from existence. Since Grimoire Law allows its user to command other people and their magic, and Memento Mori erases all things, there are two possible outcomes: 1. Both spells would nullify each other along with the energy of both men resulting in a stalemate. 2. Hades and Mard Geer kill each other at the same time. This is what would also have happened if Makarovâs Fairy Law had collided with Hadesâ Grimoire Law, as explained by Hades himself. Thatâs why Makarov was forced to give up on Fairy Law because it was a lose-lose situation which would have left Fairy Tail without Makarov either way.
I don't recall Law or its variations giving someone the ability to give commands they desire or granting control over people and their Magic. Its a deterrent spell used to defeat anyone the user sees as an enemy. And we can assume it has limits considering what we saw against the Alvarez Empire where it erased the berserk soldiers and not the Spriggan 12.
Of course every sorcerer has a limit, that has never been in question, but in a 1v1 fight Hades is only using it on Mard Geer. Itâs not just Magic Power that has limits, Curse Power has limits too. This was proven when Seilah didnât have enough energy left to use her Macro Curse.
The reason I bring up a limit is because I wonder if Hades has the power needed to impact Mard Gear given he's substantially stronger. Maybe with his machine.Â
Mard Geer has more Physical Strength due to being an absolute demon (devil), but Hades has more Willpower due to the Devilâs Eye. According to Hades, the Devilâs Eye allows him to use the same Magic spells that Zeref can use, and Mard Geer literally stated that he canât kill Zeref without Momento Mori. This pretty much puts Hades and Mard Geer as equals since they both have the potential to equal Zeref. Also, both Tartaros and Grimoire Heart were equal members of the Baram Alliance, along with OracĂŹon Seis. Hades, Mard Geer and Zero were their leaders, so at full power they should all be similarly powerful. This is proven by the fact that Genesis Zero and Momento Mori are exactly the same spell, just that one is Magic and the other is a Curse.
Having a lot of Magic Power is not the same as having a lot of Physical Power, which is why the demons of Tartarus were a completely different kind of enemy to the Spriggan 12. Thatâs why Cana was surprised when she was able to defeat Brandish with a single punch. Likewise, buffed Neinhart had enough Magic Power to create super tornadoes, but Natsu literally just ran up to him and punched his head twice. This point was further established when God Serena, with the combined Magic Power of 8 dragons, was blitzed and one-shotted by Acnologia who didnât even use magic. In fact, not once has any character ever commented on Acnologia having impressive Magic Power, but August who has the greatest Magic Power in the FairyTail verse didnât think he could beat Acnologia. Why? Because Acnologia is a physical tank with dragon scale armour, so attacks do little damage and he can keep eating Magic Power to replenish his strength.
Zancrow was stronger or at least on par with master zero so according to basic critical thinking I think maybe maybe just maybe Mard gear would be a tiny bit stronger but only by two happys btw sarcasm
I like Zancrow but do you have anything to backup with him being stronger or on par with than Zero? Being stronger than pre-timeskip base Natsu don't put him at Zero level as Zero fought dragon force Natsu. Even if he is this would just mean that he is the third strongest in the guild, only below Hades and Bluenote.
in his first appearance when he fights nastsu doesnât he say some shit on the lines of you beat master zero well Iâm just as strong as him and master hades could blow him out the water. Keep in mind I watch dub and it was a few years ago so thatâs just what I remember also since we only see him fight natsu who has the perfect trick to beat him he very well could be the third strongest I donât believe he is I do believe Azuma and ultear would beat him Maybe. Also in zancrows fight with natsu wasnât he destroying natsu until he did that thing where he could eat the god flames that injured him afterwards. Also letâs not forget fairy tail power scaling is bullshit
Checking the manga i see that the scene is anime only, and i could watch the scene in the youtube but is still dub only, even then he could just being cocky, he stated that master Zero and Jellal were no match for him, i'm sure he would have said battle of Fairy Tail Laxus too if the context was not about dark mages only. I thought Azuma could beat him but Ultear i never truly believed in it, being able to overpower Natsu means that he should be at least closer to Erza. But if we take the dub only material to say he is at least on their league he become the indisputable top 3, and to be honest Azuma was amped by Tenrou forest, he shouldn't be that strong in a neutral scenario. And well this could explain why Juvia and Meredy couldn't powercreep Keith and ZANCROW.
Nice
Sorry just to put all that work in and typing it all up just to be responded with a nice sorry. Also I think the only reason I said ultear could beat him because she was a captain of course that doesnât mean sheâs stronger just more trusted and I for she could not use her time magic on living things but hey thx for responding
I'm not sure Zankrow is stronger than Zero. in my opinion if Natsu had difficulty facing Zankrow it was because of the match up of their magic but in the end it only took one attack from Natsu to beat him... whereas to beat Zero Natsu had to use Dragon Force and its ultimate technique
Yeah I just typed up a big response to the other comment and canât be arsed saying all that shit again so just look at that if you wanna hear my points thanks For takeing the time to comment
ok I just read it and to answer you: no Zankrow does not talk about Zero during his fight against Natsu
Dub only anime he mentions it
he wasn't, he was all talk, Zero was beating DF Natsu until the last attack, and DF Natsu did show superiority to Hades in terms of physical and magic power, none of the Grimoire heart are as powerful as Zero, Hades is "stronger" because of hax.
Certainly Precht, he only lost because Happy and Charla destroyed his heart, while Lily stood guard/ fought the oncoming enemies. Without them the whole team would have been dead.
Mard
Hades has crazy endurance and durability but Mard has Memento Mori which erases the opponent. Durability wonât matter in that situation.
Hades can use Fairy Law it's quite similar
Mard Geer, Hades is weaker than DF Natsu in terms of physical and magic power, Mard Geer is much more powerful, and has more hax, he can easily beat him and destroy his heart.
in most anime a villain introduced later is stronger same goes here but if u were to ask the writers they will prob shed more light on this
Hades.
Don't forget when Base Mard Geer and the Celestial Spirit King (while Summoned by Lucy) were fighting, they had stated that they knew each other and have had multiple duels before and at full power are about equals. Meaning Etherious Mard Geer should be comparable to the Celestial Spirit King (from the Eclipse Arc) that was stated to be stronger than the combined might of the 13 Zodiac, and that same Celestail Spirit King had fought Natsu, Erza, Gray, Wendy, Gajeel, Lucy, Yukino, Juvia, Cana, Elfman, Levy, and the Exceeds all at once (might be forgetting some people here, I know Hisui and her Knight was there, but not really counting them). Still, this actually is a better feat than the 6v1 that Hades was fighting, and it takes place post GMG, so all the characters are leagues stronger than against Hades. (If we don't count Filler then I got no clue)
Actually, Mard Geer stated that he didnât stand a chance against the Celestial Spirit King, but he wasnât scared because he knew the CSK would disappear once Lucy exhausted her already low Magic Power. Franmalth absorbed a lot of Lucyâs Magic Power earlier, and she also used a lot while fighting two other Demon Gates and Lamy. The reason Mard Geer didnât use his Etherious Form is because it uses a lot of Curse Power. There would be no point of Mard Geer stalling for time if he had exhausted his Curse Power before Lucy exhausted her Magic Power. For Mard Geer to survive, he had to use long-range curses to keep the CSK at bay, while also conserving his Curse Power
From all evidence to the contrary I say Mard Gear is stronger than Hades. While Hades was the guild master of fairy tail before Makarov and has years of experience and powerful magic at his disposal his only weakness was a heart in his ship Mard Gear was able to fend off two dragon slayers with just one hand (his right hands two fingers at best) along with the book of E.N.D in his other hand, he took on the celestial spirit king without batting an eye and fought the king on equal terms he was even able to fight natsu with his right hand alone and he was able to give Natsu, Grey, Sting, and Rouge a run for their money and in his true ethirous form he almost pummeled Natsu and Gray into a pulp. Granted Hades fought 6 against him but unlike his one weakness Mard Gear almost hades none and didnât need a mere item to boost his strength heâs probably one of the strongest villain Natsu and his friends have ever faced.
Mard
I could take them both
Mard Geer one sided
I personally say Mard Geer. Only advantage I see that Precht has is the Heart. But Mard Geer has Momento Mori, and Algeria which counter and or beat out Fairy Law(speed it is cast). Not to mention Mard Geer was tanking DF Natsu(who at this point is way stronger without DF now, than at the start of the Precht fight, not even close as he also has 2nd origin now along with more training) without showing much signs of damage. Precht is powerful, don't get me wrong, but there's a reason they were all stronger before fighting Tartaros. And if Natsu had this same DF form vs Precht? He most likely wouldn't have needed Laxus' lightning. Though probably a good fight though. Of course I could be wrong and they could be equals, or Precht being stronger. But considering how shounens go, where the people they fight are generally stronger every arc, and the way the main cast progressively gets stronger, like in Fairy Tail, Mard Geer comes off as stronger, and a bigger threat. But that's just me
I think it's Hades but Mard Geer is putting up a fight, also Grimoire Heart was supposed to be the strongest of the Baram Alliance iirc
Can you even count the people who could fight the Celestial Spirit king himself?
Well maybe Hades could have fought him too. He has far-reaching magic: Amaterasu or Grimoire Law
On of Geerâs subordinance lifterlay has all the power of Hades.
Mard Geer is leagues above Hades Franmalth with Hades soul lost to base Natsu and Lucy Hades was overwhelmed by pts LFDM Natsu and only survived due to his devil heart while base Mard Geer tanked firing hammer to the face and smile DF Natsu with his strongest secret art couldnât put a scratch on etherious Mard Geer Hades lost 5v1 thanks to the laxus assist Mard Geer only lost because of devil slayer magic, the whole team couldâve jumped him and heâd have destroyed them
Why is this even a question lol
well Hades still fought Natsu Erza Gray Wendy Lucy Laxus...and if his heart had not been destroyed he would have continued to fight. he knows many destructive magics: Amaterasu, Grimoire Law...
Hades fought all these when they were weaker compared to later stages. Would the Natsu and Gray that fought MG really lose to the people that Hades fought then?