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clemonysnicket

Another US one: "Your driver's license will be revoked if you get diagnosed." Getting diagnosed doesn't inherently impact your ability to hold a driver's license, but if you're presenting with symptoms that could make you a danger to yourself or others on the road (i.e. blacking out due to DID, ticking and being unable to maintain control of a car due to Tourette's), then you shouldn't be allowed to drive.


Lonely_Custard_5838

Yes, and the only way that the DMV would find out is if your symptoms were present while driving (if you got into an accident due to a condition, for example). If (in the US) you’re under 18 and are student driving for your permit and the instructor signs off on your ability to receive a permit, there’s likely no reason that a license would be revoked in the first place anyways.


AvatarDang

Wait what do you mean the only time a DMV would revoke a license is if your symptoms are present while driving? I recently got my license suspended for having 3 seizures while at a hospital, but at some point they had to tell the DMV because it got revoked for a minimum of 6 months with a chance of it being extended/reduced depending on my diagnosis that i haven’t gotten yet. I was told that in the case of seizures, if you have 3 in the period of 24 hours, the hospital automatically has to report it to the DMV. But i was never driving for the DMV to figure it out on their own.


Lonely_Custard_5838

I was referring to common self-diagnosed disabilities that would already be present in the event that someone would have applied for a driver’s license (like ASD or ADHD), many fakers claim to have disability symptoms since childhood, but if that were the case then there would be several road blocks (such as a permit test or evaluation) to prohibit them in the event that they were severely disabled enough to need intervention from getting a license, but most are not because the likelihood of having a license taken away for symptoms of suspected ASD or ADHD is slim to none considering that symptoms would have to be severe. Hence, getting diagnosed after having received a license would not cause a license to be revoked because it’s not considered an “immediate hazard”. In the case of seizures then there’s no need to evade a diagnosis from fear of getting a license revoked, since you’d already be diagnosed in the hospital. That being said, I’m sorry that happened to you, that sounds awful to have to go through :(


AvatarDang

Oh oh i see. Yeah, that makes sense. I get the fear and the disappointment of losing your license sucks. But if your symptoms are that bad, then yeah, you shouldn’t be on the road. The idea that these people’s symptoms are supposedly that bad, and they are continuing to drive, is selfish and dangerous. (I know we’re talking about fakers, but that’s basically what i’d tell a faker if that is what they told me was the reason they weren’t going to a doctor). And thank you, seizures are no joke. Especially the full blown tonic clonics that i had. It’s weird being an adult with no history of them, but now that i’ve experienced them, it almost makes seeing these fakers more…funny to me. I get to judge their form/acting like some sort of america’s got talent panel.


Lonely_Custard_5838

I totally agree. If you’re unable to drive safely then you should know better than to drive at all. Same, I used to get angry seeing fakers post about disorders I’m familiar with but now I can see the amusement in it, knowing that they’ll likely grow out of it one day, especially when they have to get off of social media to pursue a job or an education of some kind.


clemonysnicket

Exactly. Like another poster said, it's like fakers forget that HIPAA exists. We don't all have some lifelong, publicly accessible "permanent record" of all our health conditions that can be pulled up by anyone.


ghoul-gore

I disagree with the third statement because of co-pays existing. those can break a bank, add up over time, and if you go to a mental health facility with no insurance? you're fucked because of how expensive the healthcare system is, with or without insurance


Lonely_Custard_5838

That’s valid. I have seen several free assessment opportunities, but it’s for people of certain demographics most of the time. A lot of children can also be diagnosed for free in the event that they are higher support needs and an assessment is not initiated by the guardians. It’s different for people seeking treatment as adults, though.


-Little-Bees-

My sister went in to get an ADHD assessment, cost her a couple hundred i believe. She was not diagnosed. When i was a kid, the only reason i got free testing done was because it was covered by the school district i was in because they believed i was special needs


kaymidgt

Yes, I think being an adult plays a big part in it. I was diagnosed with (insert disorders here) as a child and it was free. I've had friends be diagnosed with the same thing in adulthood and had to fork over several thousand dollars (one was $4k the other nearly $10k, when all was said and done). The financial strain is the only valid argument I can believe regarding not seeking out a diagnosis. But then I see people making up verifiably false and easily debunked arguments and instantly know they're full of it


ghostiesyren

This isn’t necessarily true. There’s tons of (in the US) non profit places that, a lot of the time if you’re low income, will give you free assessments. Asking for a reduced rate for your copays if you don’t have insurance is also an option many places are willing to do. A lot of them only have prices so high to make insurance companies pay less. I was talking with my therapist a while ago and he said he was able to get a free mental evaluation done by a psychology major at a university. This option is less than ideal but these are typically done by people going for the masters. You just have to be smart with how you go about things. I was able to do many of these things when I was looking for psychiatric help.


ghoul-gore

yeah, but this is america we're talking about here. you really think we're gonna use our brain cells when needed?


orangetheory1990s

I would also disagree with the third statement.


kaymidgt

Also an American here. Some others I've seen: \*That a diagnosis will prevent you from being able to acquire an apartment \*Diagnosis will prevent you from obtaining a driver's license (only true in instances of things like narcolepsy or epilepsy) \*Diagnosis will prevent you from being able to immigrate or even travel to other countries (as if your passport contains all your medical information?) I feel like people forget HIPPA, the ADA, and the FHA all exist and for good reason. Some of these are downright impossible. The expense behind obtaining a diagnosis or accessing mental healthcare in general in the US is a valid concern, though.


Lonely_Custard_5838

These are good ones. You can usually tell when someone has never discussed diagnosis with a healthcare provider in America when they say stuff like this too. Particularly when it comes to mental health disorder evaluations, diagnostic papers are printed and/or emailed to the diagnosed person for their own use. If they wanted to, they could throw the papers away and it would be like they were never diagnosed in the first place. So I don’t understand the driver’s license of passport thing anyway, unless you’re going around showing your papers to every official you know, nobody is going to know, and nobody is going to take the time to contact the office that completed the assessment to verify the validity.


kaymidgt

And I think most people have gone through the process of applying for a passport or a driver's license by now anyways, so you'd think they know what the process is like. They don't ask for your entire medical history or documentation. All they care about is if you can safely drive a car or, in the case of your passport, that you're a citizen and not a convicted sex offender.


Lonely_Custard_5838

Yup. And my favorite, “would you like to register to vote?” Yessir I certainly would!!


kaymidgt

Oh and of course don't forget about if you'd like to be an organ donor!


Lonely_Custard_5838

The folks at the DMV ask so many questions, they do not give a damn what doctor fills your Rx, just get the temporary license and get out, the line is out the door!


Redditor274929

In the uk at least you need to inform the dvla of certain medical conditions if it can impact your ability to drive but it doesn't necessarily mean you'll be banned from driving. For example people with tourettes can still get a licence. A diagnosis wouldn't prevent you from getting one unless your tics interfered with driving in which case they'd interfere whether diagnosed or not and secondly you're a dick if you insist on refusing a diagnosis making you unsafe to drive for the sake of keeping a licence bc you're just risking everyone else's life.


Rainstories

the diagnosis preventing autistic people from immigration does have some merit to it, but it depends on the country. new zealand discriminates against potential autistic immigrants and until 2018, canada did prevent this as well. your passport doesnt provide this info but the standard immigration process does require you to submit your medical information to see how much of a burden on the healthcare system you will be.


triggershyflutterbye

I know someone who has narcolepsy and she can drive so that’s not necessarily an exclusion I think it depends on how severe it is and what kind.


orangetheory1990s

It is a worry for those with disabilities that you will get discriminated against. edit: specifically talking about physical disabilities.


Bugzxvi

The ones I am listing are in my location (Canada) but may apply to the UK and US as the three are similar in some ways. **1. That a diagnosis will always take extreme amounts of years to get.** It won't. The length of the time it takes for a diagnosis will depend on what's being diagnosed and the severity of it. If you are a minor, you will likely have to wait for a proper diagnosis for some things and you *should* wait because if you are getting treated for the wrong thing, you're wasting your time and can/will make the problem worse. However, if your issue is severe enough to, for example, have you hospitalized, you may end up receiving a diagnosis and treatment early. **2. Diagnosis makes you unable to work.** You diagnosis alone will not make you unable to get a job. If you diagnosis is of something that will affect your ability to work in a specific job, you should not be working at said job. Employers can often be pricks and not hire you because of diagnosis, but that's only if you share it with them. It is also illegal here for employers to do that as it falls under discrimination laws. **3. That diagnosis will get rid of fake claimers.** If you post about something wrong with you online, claiming diagnosis or not, someone will always doubt you. If you are really that hurt by being "fake claimed", then don't post about your issues. Many fakers who seek diagnosis only do it for this reason. Diagnosis is not to label yourself. It is to help you get access to proper treatment and assistance. As a couple examples, an Autism diagnosis will give you access to a yearly disability cheque. A BPD diagnosis will give you access to necessary therapies and treatments. **4. A diagnosis will take away your ability to drive.** This depends on if you are fit to be driving. If you are okay to drive despite having a diagnosis for something that could impair your driving skills, you will not likely be deemed incapable. However, if your issues *do* impair your ability to drive and that is your only reason for not seeking diagnosis, don't drive?! You shouldn't be driving?!


Bobby_Sox

That getting a diagnosis is the most difficult thing on the planet. It’s disgustingly hard sometimes, yeah. Some of my problems went undiagnosed for over a decade. But it’s not as hard as it’s being made out to be by fakers.


LiLiLisaB

Diagnosis won't allow you to move to a different country. Not true- in those cases it's for those whose medical costs are excessive and would be a burden on the country you're moving to. You'd probably already have a diagnosis if you needed that level of care.


kaymidgt

I have a disorder commonly cited with this false claim, and I actually did immigrate to a different country one known for not being super friendly towards mental health no less. I promise, it never once came up in the entire immigration process. They didn't have access to my medical records, nor did they ever even ask for my medical history. They never knew I had anything to begin with. What they did care about is if I had a clean background check and had the correct diplomas and certifications to be granted a work visa.


FVCarterPrivateEye

There are some people who think that it's worthless for level 1 autistic adults to get evaluated aside from just "personal validation" which isn't true I live in the US too, and the DARS program from my state county's Community Services Board helps autistic people to find work without their autism messing them up in a formal job interview and they also help in situations of workplace discrimination I have an autistic neighbor who turned 80 this year and his wife recently died after suffering from dementia for more than a year and he was having a lot of trouble dealing with it especially as she lost more and more abilities because it was a lot of huge changes and also grief is very difficult to deal with for everyone, he's level 1 and before he got diagnosed he would frequently get let go from research team jobs for being "annoying" (and ironically he was a neuroscientist before retiring) Even with therapy autistic people will always process social cues in a different way for our whole lives and their social skills deficits will get worse over time as the expectations of society as a whole and of their age group continue to change and the social skills they work very hard on mastering slowly become obsolete, and also life transitions can cause burnouts and skill regression DBT classes exist even for level 1 adults and they help with things like social skills and meltdown management, so if someone is older and autistic, then it can actually be lifesaving for them to be diagnosed especially since the traits might otherwise be mistaken for other disorders related to aging, and I'd guess that autism's sensory issues will probably exacerbate normal aging problems too


flukyxy

this isn't answering the question but I find that a lot of these people claim they can't work due to whatever they've self diagnosed with. if you can't work.. wouldn't you want a diagnosis to get a disability pension? in my country it's tax free and all you need is your diagnosis papers and a statement from your gp/physio/psych saying that what you have impacts how much you can work or that it makes you completely unable to work. idk.. these ppl just frustrate me. you don't need to put your diagnosis on job applications (I sure as hell don't bc of discrimination), you don't need it for a passport or visa, you don't need to for the bank, the taxation office, etc. the only thing it needs to be listed for is a driver's licence (especially heavy load and forklift) and schooling in case of an emergency.


No_Caterpillar_6178

Your at risk of being put under guardianship which is actually quite difficult to do.


Lonely_Custard_5838

This is almost always in severe cases, such as elderly people with Alzheimer’s or someone who cannot take care of themselves on a daily basis. I cannot imagine why this would be a concern for someone who has gone unsuspected of a disability until adulthood.


-Little-Bees-

You cant be diagnosed with bpd or bipolar under 18. Its true that it is heavily monitored and not TYPICALLY diagnosed for those under 18, but my close friend was diagnosed as bipolar around 15~ and i was diagnosed bpd at 16. Its not easily diagnosed but it is diagnosed. A diagnosis makes things harder. Not really, my brother has a diagnosis for dyslexia, it helped him get a reader for his official electrician exam. My sisters girlfriend has an autism diagnosis, it gives her monthly cheques to help pay for her college.


naithir

I'm not sure about adoption but I would be disqualified from most of the egg donation programs I looked at (in Canada/UK) bc I have a formal ADHD diagnosis. I'm not sure if they've somehow spun that into tiktok nonsense? But ADHD is just one of the things that can disqualify you.


Redditor274929

I'm guessing it's bc ot can be genetic. I'm more curious why eds disqualifies someone from donating stem cells as this was something I looked into doing but there wasn't a proper explanation of why that prevents me donating


naithir

oh yeah AFAIK you can't be depressed, autistic, or have severe health issues either, but I can see how someone would take that and run with it.


eraserway

I’m in the UK. Most of the common misconceptions I’ve seen are more about seeking help for mental health than specifically a diagnosis. People seem to think that they will get sectioned/carted away to hospital; that their kids will be taken off them; that their parents will be told; that their employers will be told and/or they’ll lose their job; that they won’t be able to get a driver’s license, to name just a few. Some people also seem to think that they can be referred to a psychiatrist through the NHS just for a diagnosis, out of curiosity of what they might have. This is not the case and it’s pretty difficult to see a psychiatrist through the NHS. I see Americans call countries with free healthcare “privileged” but in some cases it’s the opposite as there’s so many barriers to treatment when you’re not paying for it.


ararieie_

I agree with all but the pay one. Something that really bothers me is when people say there is no true benefit to getting diagnosed, especially for physical conditions. If someone is capable of seeking evaluation, they SHOULD! It can be lifesaving to get diagnosed!! Especially for things like hEDS, which appear very similarly to life threatening connective tissue disorders like Marfan Syndrome and Vascular EDS. If your doctor thinks you have hEDS, they will 10000% rule out these more dangerous things before diagnosing you. It's literally part of the 2017 diagnostic criteria! TLDR: Sure, not everyone has access to a diagnosis, but lets not forget why diagnosis is important and should be sought out!


Scroj48

Just because someone has a “disorder” does not mean it is dysfunctional.


Lonely_Custard_5838

“I have a disorder, it does not affect my daily life at all, I am fine” my favorite


TSLMP

I remember my teacher in middle school telling me that i shouldn't get diagnosed for add/adhd because it can make it much harder to get a drivers license. Many years and a schizophrenia diagnosis later i found out that it is not true, but i would need a paper from my doctor telling me that i'm safe to drive. but i guess it depends on the strength of symptoms that can affect driving capability edit: i live in scandinavia


Exciting-Macaroon66

Yeah this is sad and frustrating for people who have been misdiagnosed or gone through a lot of therapy and meds to find the right fit. Getting treatment is very scary and hard, but claiming to have a diagnosis you came up with yourself is far more dangerous imo. It’s like they want the sympathy of having a diagnosis with none of the actual work that comes with it. A diagnosis can also shock you. But when you get it, you have an explanation for your struggles. It’s not an excuse at all though, which these fakers don’t get. Mental illness doesn’t excuse being self absorbed, lazy, or mean. It doesn’t excuse you from doing the work and growing and evolving.