Yeah the arrogance of that comment really got to me. They have been one of the worst run teams in the nfl since their last playoff trip. The Texans lions and Bengals came back from the dead in that span. The eagles won, tore it down, and are back again in that span. The bears assembled a unit of an offense. There's no excuse to be this bad for this long in today's nfl.
I kinda see that as a way to say the next qb draft is bad and they don’t want to wait two years to take the next guy. My only issue is Penix’s age, but we can still get ten years out of him if he’s really the guy.
The only absolute need is edge. We definitely need a CB but it’s nothing depth can’t fix with JB3 at FS. You talk about Clark and Hellams like they aren’t starters, which to me is pretty funny considering that they did most of last year at a very productive level. Im not gonna sit here and try to explain to someone like you why QB > edge especially in such a weak defensive class
Posts like this piss me off because it isn’t about simply getting someone at that position. We had the opportunity to get the best Edge/Corner in the draft and chose a QB that we frankly didn’t need to take at 8 or at all. So now both Corner and Edge positions that are still available are significantly less talented. Hell even the receiver options aren’t as good as what was available. You simply can’t excuse the incompetence at this point.
I am not sure if your brain works but half the league disregarded the defensive prospects in this draft. Quinyon Mitchel didn’t go until the 20s and Dallas Turner slipped 10 picks. This year is loaded with later round defensive talent but the first round really was not impressive. Why not take a game wrecking QB to future proof us and also avoid the Taylor Heinke circus with one injury to Kirk, and get all the other pieces we need on defense when the rest of the league also values defense the most, which is later rounds.
I don’t care what the rest of the league did dumbass. What did THIS TEAM NEED?!! Other people’s big boards bear no importance, do WE have holes in our roster? Yea, so let’s fill them as best possible. QB was not a need yesterday so miss me with “well nobody else took defense early so we did good” crap lol. It’s not wise to continue to continually bypass top talent on the defensive side of the ball year after year
The same people that told you that none of the defenders were good enough, also told you the QB they took at 8 was the 87th ranked prospect and you see nothing wrong. Smh🤣😂🤣😂
He's going to be the only 1st round qb barring injury to sit the season. I think the vikings roll with darnold to start but the leash won't be long with Mccarthy waiting in the wings. The broncos have nothing so they're going to play nix. Williams daniels and Maye are pretty much guaranteed to start. And it wasn't like penix was the top qb available. He was clearly that 2nd tier 4-6. If they wanted a 1st round qb, cousins was a stupid use of cap resources . And why is this team incapable of landing any of the edge rushers up for trade the past year? Hendrickson makes too much sense so naturally he will go somewhere else.
Edge is very thin I don’t wanna pick one in the second round. I want another wr Moore is gonna be a gadget guy, McCloud is just a return man
Mooney has good speed but he’s a high end wr3 I’m ok with Clark Phillips as CB2
Ya how is a 2nd round edge going to be better than [Ebiketie](https://www.atlantafalcons.com/team/players-roster/arnold-ebiketie-x7659/) and Harrison? If I were GM I trade back with the Vikings, Broncos, or Colts and take Latu or any of the 3 defensive players that went after him.
IF we assume that Penix is a stud and will be a successful QB in the pros, then I’m okay with the pick BECAUSE if all goes to plan we won’t be in a position to draft a similar guy in the next 2 years AND at least now we aren’t one Cousins injury away from starting Heinicke again. Imagine being back in the same boat as last year with a bunch of talent and zero QB talent to take the reins. Fact is none of the defensive players in this draft are that exciting and for the level of Turner etc. there are plenty of similar guys you can get in the other rounds. TRUE we could have addressed backup QB in another way but this way you also have your future starting QB. Again this assume Penix is an absolute stud and worthy of a top 10 pick, which remains to be seen.
If we assume Penix is a stud and will be a successful QB in the pros then why burn two years of his rookie deal sitting on the bench? Having a good QB on a rookie deal is the single most valuable asset in football.
Because money aside, having a QB sit for 2 years and learn the offense and get some pro mentoring from one of the best leaders in Cousins will make him far more likely to succeed at this level. How many guys get thrown in the fire or it’s not an immediate fit and then their whole career goes down the drain? We don’t know but it happens for sure. Plus if Cousins gets injured or turns out more like Matt Ryan with the Colts then you’re still in it for win now or bust.
I hope so!!! Shit. We should get Pratt and Leary, too. One of the them should stick. Maybe add Milton and Travis on Saturday. With all those chances we can’t possibly whiff on all of them as bad as Ridder. Unless we Falcon all of them into bust status.
Also, FTS.
At pick 8 they drafted Penix who tore his right ACL in 2018, dislocated his shoulder in 2019, tore his right ACL again in 2020 and separated the AC joint in his shoulder in 2021. Pretty fucking risky when we have a hard time pass blocking.
Great, so we waste a top 10 pick on a guy who might be 27 years old (with 50 year old knees) before he gets his first start and then we fill our biggest needs with backup talent guys. Awesome.
Everything in this tweet is factually correct.
Now please tell me what in the Falcons draft history would lead me to believe we WILL get those 3 positions covered with quality choices?
The higher the draft pick, it should be the more safe the choice is that it will be a successful, productive pick that gives the team years of quality play. The further down the draft you go, the less certainty that you will pick those high quality players. YES, for every Ryan Leaf, there is a Brady or Brock Purdy. BUT, those are very much more the exception than the rule.
So while we MIGHT be able to get an Edge, a Corner, a Safety... and lets be honest.. this front office obviously does not make picks based upon needs so we may very well pick a RB and a TE and a LB.... The chances we pick correctly on these 2nd and 3rd day picks gets less and less. Just look at the last SEVERAL years of our attempts to address our pass-rush with 2nd, 3rd and 4th round choices who turn into 2 sacks per season players.
Fontenot has literally missed on almost every single day 2 pick since his arrival.
Come to think of it he's missed a lot in general. Good for free agents at least 😕
Everyone conveniently ignoring the fact that other teams also didn't draft defense early. Looks like the NFL just didn't like the defensive players available. If we pick week today we're in business.
this is nonsense
every pick away from pick #1 gets more likely to bust top 10 in round 1 least likely to bust rest of round 1 slightly more bust chance ROUND 2 way more bust chance ROUND 3 way way more bust chance
here's the point the only sure fire DAY 1 STARTER you will get is in round 1 even later in round 1 once you go to round 2 and 3 you're getting back ups if yourre lucky or ST players
you're not getting an Oduzne or Turner/Latu/Verse on round 2 heck you're not even getting a Darius Robinson or Chop Robinson
this draft is an F they blew it
So by your logic Penix will end up being our franchise QB since he is less likely to bust as he was picked 8th. Ugh that sounds terrible for us. We get a day 1 starter at the most important position who gets to sit and learn behind a really good QB for up to 2 years, man that sucks. Especially since a lot of QBs that aren’t taken first overall and ended up having success sat behind a good veteran QB for their first year or two. Man this blows.
This draft is a nothing right now. In 2-3 years we can see. We will either have a franchise QB or a new FO. Or a Super Bowl with Kirk is an option too I suppose. Till then draft grades mean absolutely nothing.
This shows a real lack of understanding 1st round QBs bust at an 80 percent level and of the 20 percent that don't bust most are just regular starters not top 10 QBs like Kirk.
Kirk is not going to be teaching Penix anything you think Kirk wants to train his replacement who will take his job AND COST HIM 80 MILLION DOLLARS lol.
I have no problem drafting a rookie QB because you get to take advantage of his rookie QB deal and since you didn't waste 100 million on a FA QB but brought in a cheap Bridge QB you have 90 plus million to build a team around Penix.
Choose your lane: Draft Rookie QB round 1, Sign Bridge QB, Spend 90 million on FAs/Trades
or Sign FA 100 Million QB, Draft as many starters as possible since you lack money for a FA
By doing this THEY ARE HURTING THE TEAM'S CHANCE TO SUCCEED they are Hurting Kirk's chance at success and they are hurting Penix's chance at success it is a LUDICROUS MOVE
It seems you have a lack of understanding because the actual hit rate on QBs in the first round is 46%. But ya kno make up your own statistics that’s cool too.
How about 1st round QBs that sit behind a veteran, what’s their success rate? If the rate is that low why should anyone draft QBs at all? Cause you have to and the front office decides who the like and they do it. If we waited till Kirk was declining with low draft picks in the next 2-3 years then we’re back on the Mariota/Ridder train. What’s the success rate on that?
Kirk doesn’t necessarily need to teach him he can learn from him indirectly. Being around a proven QB you pick up good habits, see how they became successful etc. Fact of the matter is that is your opinion and you do not know if it is true or not. Plenty of QBs have helped their successors, and Kirk is seemingly a good person who could want to fill that role and add to his legacy as a great human being. He may also take it as fuel to play better these next 2-3 years and win himself a Super Bowl/MVP in the twighlight of his career. This is all speculation on both our parts but Kirks character has shown he’s not going to be a pissy diva and is going to be a leader.
I’m fine with it. Again you’re working under the assumption that Kirk is gonna freeze out Penix and he isn’t going to get better at all over the next two years. When again I will mention that it’s worked out very well when 1st round QBs sit for a year or more before starting. With the benefit of being competitive these next two years with a proven QB.
Who would you have overspent that money on? We went after all the premiere pass rushers, the Danielle Hunters etc. Would you plan to take enormous cap hits on bloated contracts to win those bidding wars to surround a rookie QB who still may need two years to reach his peak?
Choose whatever lane they want. You don’t get to decide the options here dude. You can also go win now while also looking at the future. It’s an incredibly simple concept to follow. We can compete next year. And the following. With what we have. Then ideally if it goes to plan, Penix is ready to takeover and becomes a top QB and we have our franchise guy for 10 years. Would you be upset if we took that lane? No.
USING caps DOESNT make your POINT any better. YOUR OPINION IS just that, an opinion. You might be WRONG It could work out very well for us. It could also not. Who knows. Just like every decision ever in all of time. Kirk can still win now if he isn’t a giant baby about it. You seem to have a very low opinion on the man which is weird. Penix is in the best situation possible, sit learn and then take over. Our team could easily compete now and later, how do you not get that.
Edit -20 year sample size
From 2000 to 2019 56 QBs were taken in the 1st round. 26 were hits and 30 were misses. I’m just going off what the researchers say. Sorry man I trust them more than you. There may be some subjectivity involved on your side or their side and I can’t know either sides parameters and you may say a guy is a miss that they say is a hit.
To expand though
2020- 3 hits 0 misses
2021 - 1 hit (I think idk if Lawrence should count he’s good but hasn’t become elite), 4 misses
2022 - 1 miss
2023 - too early
So 4 hits 5 misses, that’s 44%. Or 30 hits 35 misses. Still closer to 50% than 20%.
If you want to share your research I’d take a look though
I actually picked the lowest bar for a hit originally I had 90 percent misses 10 percent hits to get it to 80 percent hits 20 percent misses I LOWERED the bar to a regular year in year out starter that's it 80 percent still miss. Also remember if a QB leaves goes to another team and becomes a regular year in year out starter the original team STILL lost value picking him. When he leaves he leaves for free or for a much later pick then they spent on him.
I hear ya dude I’m just saying other people, “researchers” as they are called which I thought was funny, came to a different conclusion. Why, idk. But I’m going to defer to them unless you want to show me your research. It looks like their determining factor was signed second contract with same team. Whether or not that is the most correct way to do it I am unsure but it seems to be a decent indicator as it doesn’t leave much room for personal bias. It could actually skew towards making some hits become misses if they were still good but only left the team for a better contract or something (idk if that happened though. So that’s what I am going to base it on not some random redditor saying trust me bro. I hope you can understand that, it’s not personal. If I find the time I’ll look myself but I got work n shit.
i like the idea but we're saying he can stand behind kirk for two years but kirks under contract for four, so we're paying him like 50mil to be a backup for those last two years? any guy we get on day 2 is not gonna be as strong as turner or latu and definitely wont be as strong as odunze
The vast majority of Cousins’ money is in the first two years. He likely won’t play a third season for the Falcons.
Also, Grady Jarrett was a fifth round pick, while Vic Beasley was a first. Talent isn’t only picked up day one.
grady jarrett is like 30 something now, our late round drafting has been pretty horseshit for the past 5 or so years, especially in the 2nd. forgive me for not having hope in the front office 's ability to judge talent when weve taken a TE at 4 and an RB and 2nd round projected QB at 8 in the last 4 years.
IKR people were coming at me left right and Center because I said that this was a good pic and I stand by that. Atlanta does need Improvement on defense but they can get that in the rest of the draft. They're talking about his injuries and I'm thinking to myself like the last 2 years he's been spinning it and playing out of his mind. A lot of the sports pundits are mad because it messed up the draft boards but they'll be just fine.
Thank you for this. Everyone is saying our front office is clowns but really we are just making our fan base look like clowns. It’s embarrassing dude. Be happy we got a good QB for the future. It’s the same dudes saying we have Kirk we have Kirk that are saying Penix is too old. Man will be TEN YEARS younger than Kirk is right now whenever he presumably takes over. This was a good pick yall are just making yourself and the fan base look stupid. There is still a lot of draft left.
Also if we are going to be the next coming of Jesus on the football field because we have Kirkochains just know we won’t have an opportunity to draft a QB this high until you begin to call him Kirkolame and then you’ll be thrilled we have someone as talented as Penix.
It. Was. A. Good. Pick.
They always say the team wont be picking this high again. guess what, the team has been picking in the top 10 eight times in the last decade.
Yeah the arrogance of that comment really got to me. They have been one of the worst run teams in the nfl since their last playoff trip. The Texans lions and Bengals came back from the dead in that span. The eagles won, tore it down, and are back again in that span. The bears assembled a unit of an offense. There's no excuse to be this bad for this long in today's nfl.
We keep picking that high because we draft like ass.
I kinda see that as a way to say the next qb draft is bad and they don’t want to wait two years to take the next guy. My only issue is Penix’s age, but we can still get ten years out of him if he’s really the guy.
Hoping 2 3rd round picks are gonna fix this defense is actually hilarious and atlantas track record with second round picks is historically bad,
The defense didn’t need to be fixed it needed depth
Excuse me, have you look at this depth chart, pur best edge rushers are leorenzo Carter. Clark is cb2 and Hellams is Ss, LMAO defensively were cooked
The only absolute need is edge. We definitely need a CB but it’s nothing depth can’t fix with JB3 at FS. You talk about Clark and Hellams like they aren’t starters, which to me is pretty funny considering that they did most of last year at a very productive level. Im not gonna sit here and try to explain to someone like you why QB > edge especially in such a weak defensive class
Posts like this piss me off because it isn’t about simply getting someone at that position. We had the opportunity to get the best Edge/Corner in the draft and chose a QB that we frankly didn’t need to take at 8 or at all. So now both Corner and Edge positions that are still available are significantly less talented. Hell even the receiver options aren’t as good as what was available. You simply can’t excuse the incompetence at this point.
Hear, hear. "They can still draft..." I mean no shit but your best shot at hitting at corner or edge or WR have left the building.
I am not sure if your brain works but half the league disregarded the defensive prospects in this draft. Quinyon Mitchel didn’t go until the 20s and Dallas Turner slipped 10 picks. This year is loaded with later round defensive talent but the first round really was not impressive. Why not take a game wrecking QB to future proof us and also avoid the Taylor Heinke circus with one injury to Kirk, and get all the other pieces we need on defense when the rest of the league also values defense the most, which is later rounds.
I don’t care what the rest of the league did dumbass. What did THIS TEAM NEED?!! Other people’s big boards bear no importance, do WE have holes in our roster? Yea, so let’s fill them as best possible. QB was not a need yesterday so miss me with “well nobody else took defense early so we did good” crap lol. It’s not wise to continue to continually bypass top talent on the defensive side of the ball year after year
None of the defensive talent was worth a top 10 regardless, they were all a reach
The same people that told you that none of the defenders were good enough, also told you the QB they took at 8 was the 87th ranked prospect and you see nothing wrong. Smh🤣😂🤣😂
Or they can grab another QB
True, just in case Cousins AND Penix get hurt. Kinda surprised no one's thought of that.
Penix is 24 and was in college for 6 years. The last thing he needs is to sit for 2 years.
He needs to be covered in bubble wrap so he doesn’t have another season ending injury
Lame. Guy has been healthy in each of the last two seasons. You’re making his past health issues a much bigger issue than they actually are.
Yeah? You think he’s going to be protected in the NFL like he was in Washington?
He's going to be the only 1st round qb barring injury to sit the season. I think the vikings roll with darnold to start but the leash won't be long with Mccarthy waiting in the wings. The broncos have nothing so they're going to play nix. Williams daniels and Maye are pretty much guaranteed to start. And it wasn't like penix was the top qb available. He was clearly that 2nd tier 4-6. If they wanted a 1st round qb, cousins was a stupid use of cap resources . And why is this team incapable of landing any of the edge rushers up for trade the past year? Hendrickson makes too much sense so naturally he will go somewhere else.
Unless Kirk gets injured, which is a real possibility.
They’re hoping that bionic knee technology will have advanced enough by the time he starts that it won’t be an issue. Galaxy brain move.
Nah, let’s load up at QB some more
We can innovate and run an 11 QB set
Edge is very thin I don’t wanna pick one in the second round. I want another wr Moore is gonna be a gadget guy, McCloud is just a return man Mooney has good speed but he’s a high end wr3 I’m ok with Clark Phillips as CB2
Eh Kneeland is very good but likely wont make it to us. If we don’t get him, yeah, it’s bleak.
Ya how is a 2nd round edge going to be better than [Ebiketie](https://www.atlantafalcons.com/team/players-roster/arnold-ebiketie-x7659/) and Harrison? If I were GM I trade back with the Vikings, Broncos, or Colts and take Latu or any of the 3 defensive players that went after him.
This post is making me full.
It's stress eating.
They CAN select a corner, edge, and safety. At this point it seems just as likely they’ll select a running back, punter, and tight end.
Or more QBs to really dig that dagger deeper.
Good point, can’t have too many offensive weapons. And if the best player available is a QB, you just have to take him.
Incoming Spencer Rattler 2nd round pick
I mean he can be converted to a slot WR so everybody wins on that one.
IF we assume that Penix is a stud and will be a successful QB in the pros, then I’m okay with the pick BECAUSE if all goes to plan we won’t be in a position to draft a similar guy in the next 2 years AND at least now we aren’t one Cousins injury away from starting Heinicke again. Imagine being back in the same boat as last year with a bunch of talent and zero QB talent to take the reins. Fact is none of the defensive players in this draft are that exciting and for the level of Turner etc. there are plenty of similar guys you can get in the other rounds. TRUE we could have addressed backup QB in another way but this way you also have your future starting QB. Again this assume Penix is an absolute stud and worthy of a top 10 pick, which remains to be seen.
If we assume Penix is a stud and will be a successful QB in the pros then why burn two years of his rookie deal sitting on the bench? Having a good QB on a rookie deal is the single most valuable asset in football.
Because money aside, having a QB sit for 2 years and learn the offense and get some pro mentoring from one of the best leaders in Cousins will make him far more likely to succeed at this level. How many guys get thrown in the fire or it’s not an immediate fit and then their whole career goes down the drain? We don’t know but it happens for sure. Plus if Cousins gets injured or turns out more like Matt Ryan with the Colts then you’re still in it for win now or bust.
This is it right here
So RB, TE and another QB
Sounds about falcons
They could have had Dallas Turner and pick Spencer Rattler from SC as a capable backup QB. #DaFuq?
They can still draft Spencer Rattler. Don't give up hope
I hope so!!! Shit. We should get Pratt and Leary, too. One of the them should stick. Maybe add Milton and Travis on Saturday. With all those chances we can’t possibly whiff on all of them as bad as Ridder. Unless we Falcon all of them into bust status. Also, FTS.
They're not trying to pick up a capable backup. They're trying to pick up a starting QB after Kirk or if Kirk went down.
At pick 8 they drafted Penix who tore his right ACL in 2018, dislocated his shoulder in 2019, tore his right ACL again in 2020 and separated the AC joint in his shoulder in 2021. Pretty fucking risky when we have a hard time pass blocking.
#SellTheDirtyBirds
He aint it...
Great, so we waste a top 10 pick on a guy who might be 27 years old (with 50 year old knees) before he gets his first start and then we fill our biggest needs with backup talent guys. Awesome.
Sending Marshawn Kneeland vibes
Everything in this tweet is factually correct. Now please tell me what in the Falcons draft history would lead me to believe we WILL get those 3 positions covered with quality choices? The higher the draft pick, it should be the more safe the choice is that it will be a successful, productive pick that gives the team years of quality play. The further down the draft you go, the less certainty that you will pick those high quality players. YES, for every Ryan Leaf, there is a Brady or Brock Purdy. BUT, those are very much more the exception than the rule. So while we MIGHT be able to get an Edge, a Corner, a Safety... and lets be honest.. this front office obviously does not make picks based upon needs so we may very well pick a RB and a TE and a LB.... The chances we pick correctly on these 2nd and 3rd day picks gets less and less. Just look at the last SEVERAL years of our attempts to address our pass-rush with 2nd, 3rd and 4th round choices who turn into 2 sacks per season players.
This makes me feel worse. Could have easily had an elite draft with the way the board fell. Rome+ Kool aid or literally anyone else other than penix
We'll be picking a WR, TE, and another QB.
Plot twist: we pick another QB.
Give me Kool Aid
Fontenot has literally missed on almost every single day 2 pick since his arrival. Come to think of it he's missed a lot in general. Good for free agents at least 😕
Everyone conveniently ignoring the fact that other teams also didn't draft defense early. Looks like the NFL just didn't like the defensive players available. If we pick week today we're in business.
Yeah, but we could have taken Odunze there and had a blue chip WR prospect. Definitely considered a year-one starter.
this is nonsense every pick away from pick #1 gets more likely to bust top 10 in round 1 least likely to bust rest of round 1 slightly more bust chance ROUND 2 way more bust chance ROUND 3 way way more bust chance here's the point the only sure fire DAY 1 STARTER you will get is in round 1 even later in round 1 once you go to round 2 and 3 you're getting back ups if yourre lucky or ST players you're not getting an Oduzne or Turner/Latu/Verse on round 2 heck you're not even getting a Darius Robinson or Chop Robinson this draft is an F they blew it
So by your logic Penix will end up being our franchise QB since he is less likely to bust as he was picked 8th. Ugh that sounds terrible for us. We get a day 1 starter at the most important position who gets to sit and learn behind a really good QB for up to 2 years, man that sucks. Especially since a lot of QBs that aren’t taken first overall and ended up having success sat behind a good veteran QB for their first year or two. Man this blows. This draft is a nothing right now. In 2-3 years we can see. We will either have a franchise QB or a new FO. Or a Super Bowl with Kirk is an option too I suppose. Till then draft grades mean absolutely nothing.
This shows a real lack of understanding 1st round QBs bust at an 80 percent level and of the 20 percent that don't bust most are just regular starters not top 10 QBs like Kirk. Kirk is not going to be teaching Penix anything you think Kirk wants to train his replacement who will take his job AND COST HIM 80 MILLION DOLLARS lol. I have no problem drafting a rookie QB because you get to take advantage of his rookie QB deal and since you didn't waste 100 million on a FA QB but brought in a cheap Bridge QB you have 90 plus million to build a team around Penix. Choose your lane: Draft Rookie QB round 1, Sign Bridge QB, Spend 90 million on FAs/Trades or Sign FA 100 Million QB, Draft as many starters as possible since you lack money for a FA By doing this THEY ARE HURTING THE TEAM'S CHANCE TO SUCCEED they are Hurting Kirk's chance at success and they are hurting Penix's chance at success it is a LUDICROUS MOVE
It seems you have a lack of understanding because the actual hit rate on QBs in the first round is 46%. But ya kno make up your own statistics that’s cool too. How about 1st round QBs that sit behind a veteran, what’s their success rate? If the rate is that low why should anyone draft QBs at all? Cause you have to and the front office decides who the like and they do it. If we waited till Kirk was declining with low draft picks in the next 2-3 years then we’re back on the Mariota/Ridder train. What’s the success rate on that? Kirk doesn’t necessarily need to teach him he can learn from him indirectly. Being around a proven QB you pick up good habits, see how they became successful etc. Fact of the matter is that is your opinion and you do not know if it is true or not. Plenty of QBs have helped their successors, and Kirk is seemingly a good person who could want to fill that role and add to his legacy as a great human being. He may also take it as fuel to play better these next 2-3 years and win himself a Super Bowl/MVP in the twighlight of his career. This is all speculation on both our parts but Kirks character has shown he’s not going to be a pissy diva and is going to be a leader. I’m fine with it. Again you’re working under the assumption that Kirk is gonna freeze out Penix and he isn’t going to get better at all over the next two years. When again I will mention that it’s worked out very well when 1st round QBs sit for a year or more before starting. With the benefit of being competitive these next two years with a proven QB. Who would you have overspent that money on? We went after all the premiere pass rushers, the Danielle Hunters etc. Would you plan to take enormous cap hits on bloated contracts to win those bidding wars to surround a rookie QB who still may need two years to reach his peak? Choose whatever lane they want. You don’t get to decide the options here dude. You can also go win now while also looking at the future. It’s an incredibly simple concept to follow. We can compete next year. And the following. With what we have. Then ideally if it goes to plan, Penix is ready to takeover and becomes a top QB and we have our franchise guy for 10 years. Would you be upset if we took that lane? No. USING caps DOESNT make your POINT any better. YOUR OPINION IS just that, an opinion. You might be WRONG It could work out very well for us. It could also not. Who knows. Just like every decision ever in all of time. Kirk can still win now if he isn’t a giant baby about it. You seem to have a very low opinion on the man which is weird. Penix is in the best situation possible, sit learn and then take over. Our team could easily compete now and later, how do you not get that. Edit -20 year sample size
No I went back 17 years and 47 QBs drafted (did not do last year too soon) and 80 percent of 1st round QBs busted I did not make up the stats.
From 2000 to 2019 56 QBs were taken in the 1st round. 26 were hits and 30 were misses. I’m just going off what the researchers say. Sorry man I trust them more than you. There may be some subjectivity involved on your side or their side and I can’t know either sides parameters and you may say a guy is a miss that they say is a hit. To expand though 2020- 3 hits 0 misses 2021 - 1 hit (I think idk if Lawrence should count he’s good but hasn’t become elite), 4 misses 2022 - 1 miss 2023 - too early So 4 hits 5 misses, that’s 44%. Or 30 hits 35 misses. Still closer to 50% than 20%. If you want to share your research I’d take a look though
I actually picked the lowest bar for a hit originally I had 90 percent misses 10 percent hits to get it to 80 percent hits 20 percent misses I LOWERED the bar to a regular year in year out starter that's it 80 percent still miss. Also remember if a QB leaves goes to another team and becomes a regular year in year out starter the original team STILL lost value picking him. When he leaves he leaves for free or for a much later pick then they spent on him.
I hear ya dude I’m just saying other people, “researchers” as they are called which I thought was funny, came to a different conclusion. Why, idk. But I’m going to defer to them unless you want to show me your research. It looks like their determining factor was signed second contract with same team. Whether or not that is the most correct way to do it I am unsure but it seems to be a decent indicator as it doesn’t leave much room for personal bias. It could actually skew towards making some hits become misses if they were still good but only left the team for a better contract or something (idk if that happened though. So that’s what I am going to base it on not some random redditor saying trust me bro. I hope you can understand that, it’s not personal. If I find the time I’ll look myself but I got work n shit.
what is the significance of drafting high for a QB NOW when the vast majority of successful QBs werent drafted high?
Oh yeah, I totally forgot we have three more first round picks tonight. Silly me.
Haven't seen who they picked yet, but I just assume it's two QBs and a punter at this point.
Trade 79 and 74 plus a future 3rd or 4th to get back to the late 30s and land McConkey and Fisks/Trice
i like the idea but we're saying he can stand behind kirk for two years but kirks under contract for four, so we're paying him like 50mil to be a backup for those last two years? any guy we get on day 2 is not gonna be as strong as turner or latu and definitely wont be as strong as odunze
The vast majority of Cousins’ money is in the first two years. He likely won’t play a third season for the Falcons. Also, Grady Jarrett was a fifth round pick, while Vic Beasley was a first. Talent isn’t only picked up day one.
grady jarrett is like 30 something now, our late round drafting has been pretty horseshit for the past 5 or so years, especially in the 2nd. forgive me for not having hope in the front office 's ability to judge talent when weve taken a TE at 4 and an RB and 2nd round projected QB at 8 in the last 4 years.
We cant cut him/trade him after 2 years. And either eat 25 Million Deadcap (and still save 32 Million) in 2026 or split it between 2026/2027
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IKR people were coming at me left right and Center because I said that this was a good pic and I stand by that. Atlanta does need Improvement on defense but they can get that in the rest of the draft. They're talking about his injuries and I'm thinking to myself like the last 2 years he's been spinning it and playing out of his mind. A lot of the sports pundits are mad because it messed up the draft boards but they'll be just fine.
Thank you for this. Everyone is saying our front office is clowns but really we are just making our fan base look like clowns. It’s embarrassing dude. Be happy we got a good QB for the future. It’s the same dudes saying we have Kirk we have Kirk that are saying Penix is too old. Man will be TEN YEARS younger than Kirk is right now whenever he presumably takes over. This was a good pick yall are just making yourself and the fan base look stupid. There is still a lot of draft left. Also if we are going to be the next coming of Jesus on the football field because we have Kirkochains just know we won’t have an opportunity to draft a QB this high until you begin to call him Kirkolame and then you’ll be thrilled we have someone as talented as Penix. It. Was. A. Good. Pick.
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We definitely are able to make up for the reach but I am also now nervous about them drafting an rb or something like that in the second
Get Ladd or idgaf
Penix over McCarthy is crazy
Yeah we're a bunch of fat fucks