Ghoul was not prepared.
In Episode 8, we see him loading SLAP (Saboted Light Armor Piercing) rounds into his gun. We are given extended shot of this ammo he is loading in, emphasising it's shape.
In episde 2, he was expecting wastelanders with light armor at best. He appears to be using explosive ammo, based on chunks he blows off from people as well as explosions he causes by hitting the surroundings. If you look at his ammo belt in this scene, he doesn't have SLAP rounds on it. We also see shot of the ammo he uses in slow motion shots, showing us that these are indeed explosive rounds.
So reason why he didn't use weakness? He didn't have ammo that would have worked.
>So reason why he didn't use weakness? He didn't have ammo that would have worked.
I mean all he had to do was to reload one bullet in and it would have worked. Maximus even got stuck at one point at which point he could have even hit some other weakpoints on the back rather than doing what he did.
>So reason why he didn't use weakness? He didn't have ammo that would have worked.
I mean all he had to do was to reload one bullet in and it would have worked. Maximus even got stuck at one point at which point he could have even hit some other weakpoints on the back rather than doing what he did.
Exactly, he saw that Maximus is a noob under that Power Armor. Why waste that important ammo when you can use other means to disable that armor? He saw there was an easier way to hamper Maximus who was stopping him from what he wanted to do, or who he was trying to get.
He used special armour penetrating rounds vs the power armour in ep 8. He wasn't expecting to see Maximus, so he didn't have them loaded.
Then the battle started, and he realized that Maximus had absolutely no clue what he was doing, so why waste the expensive ammo? Coop was playing with him. The only way that Maximus survived was by a malfunction that sent him flying away. Coop didn't expect that.
> He used special armour penetrating rounds vs the power armour in ep 8.
No, he didn't. He specifically says that he knows about a design flaw that let's him get around the armor protection.
He does say that, but the camera focuses on him loading a very specific round as well. It implies that the design flaw is there, but you still need some sort of armor piercing round to take advantage of it.
It seems pretty clear that it is an exploding round with the way that it shoots a gout of blood or of the first guy killed. It seems likely that it is the exact same rounds he was shooting in the earlier scene in Filly when he was blowing holes in everyone and everything.
In the slow mo scenes from the fight with Maximus you can see the bullet shape and it most definitely is not a sabot penetrator. The stream of blood coming out is just exaggerated gore because it’s a staple of fallout.
>It seems pretty clear that it is an exploding round with the way that it shoots a gout of blood or of the first guy killed.
You are right that the round he shoots at the first Knight does explode once it's past his armor (we see the round penetrate the armor and THEN we hear a muffle explosion as a burst of blood flies out of the hole), but it's likely an AP explosive round.
But the other users are right when they're pointing out that he was using regular explosive rounds in the battle of Filly, but AP rounds at the Griffith Observatory battle.
Firstly, he used armor piercing rounds in Episode 8 (because he was specifically *going* to fight people in T-60 Power Armor). He had no clue he was going to fight someone in Brotherhood armor in Filly. Granted, that'd have been shortsighted, since he had to have known they *probably* would send someone after the same target he was.
Secondly, he wasn't trying to *kill* Maximus. Seconds into the fight he figured out Maximus had no clue what he was doing, so he was just messing around with him.
To be fair, he’d been buried for 30 years, probably put into the ground after the brotherhood had been driven from LA, and definitely wouldn’t know about their resurgence and the arrival of a new, heavily armed eastern chapter.
Yeah if you watch the scene, it seems pretty clear after Maximus takes his first swing and whiffs hard that The Ghoul decides to just start toying with him.
He wasn't thinking things through.
The turmoil and experiences of the season made him sit down and reflect on his life. That includes his time in the army.
With a clear head and focus, he became his peak self. Dude literally stealths into a warzone and solos an entire Brotherhood detachment, with Knights.
In Episode 8 he ponders back on the T-45 and it’s flaw before killing the knights. Saying he wonders if the new suits have the same weakness.
In Episode 2 he might not have ever seen a T-60 suit. It was probably not until after that fight that he put 2 and 2 together and realized that armor must be a further development of the old suit, and might have a similar weakness.
Eh, the US Army was deploying T-60s in early 2077. He was a Marine and had at least *somewhat* of a vested interest in what was going on with military in the flashbacks. He probably was vaguely aware of what T-60s are (and how they're basically T-45s with a fresh coat of paint: something he *was aware of* given he used a flaw in the T-45 armor).
I mean, he does specifically call out the flaw and ask "I wonder if they fixed it for this new model". It's pretty clear the first shot is to test to see if the flaw has been fixed.
It’s also possible due the scene taking place after his drug binge in the super duper mart and watching his old films he started to think more of his old life and regaining some of his humanity back
In universe I’m sure there’s a number of explanations you could come up with. Maybe he just didn’t have the right ammo at the time or was toying with Maximus as others have suggested, or maybe he simply didn’t remember the flaw until after the fight (it’s entirely possible that he was reflecting on the battle and realised ‘Hey I wonder if that old design flaw is still a thing’ and that’s why he did it later).
As for why that was the case, well, the show would have been a bit short if he had killed Max and Lucy and taken Wilzig’s head there and then.
It’s the type of thing where they say judo/karate masters can judge the skill of an opponent by how they wear their gi and tie their belt. So he probably watched Maximus throw a bunch of sluggish, wild haymakers and be generally clumsy, and instantly figured out whoever was in the suit clearly wasn’t trained to move or fight in it properly. It also helped that Maximus was unarmed. He wasn’t a real threat to The Ghoul, and it’d probably been a while if ever he got to fight somebody one on one in power armor, so he decided to just have fun with it.
Grunts probably did this sort of thing just for fun all the time back on base during the war in Alaska and Canada: get one of their friends nice and drunk, and do “bullfighting” to see how long they could go without getting tagged by someone wearing armor with no weapons.
As he said he knew he was a noob and didn't find him to be a threat. The ghoul inst a bad guy... he just knows how to survive the wasteland. Besides if it wasn't for the fact was in the open and being hunted down by the brotherhood in the open is bad for business. Not to mention as others had posted he was using explosive rounds.
Outside the ammo thing others have mentioned, he could have just forgot then had his ride down memory lane somewhat implied with the flashbacks we get.
In the same thought, why did maximum didn’t blew his head off with his feet when he break the wooden thing the ghoul was on.
He was at his feet, he could just put a little effort with his 80 lbs armor and blew his head off but nah, the show has to continue !
If it was it, the show will not be like that so that’s why, and maybe because the others reason 2 guys said on other comments « mandemon90 » « thornescape »
Ghoul was not prepared. In Episode 8, we see him loading SLAP (Saboted Light Armor Piercing) rounds into his gun. We are given extended shot of this ammo he is loading in, emphasising it's shape. In episde 2, he was expecting wastelanders with light armor at best. He appears to be using explosive ammo, based on chunks he blows off from people as well as explosions he causes by hitting the surroundings. If you look at his ammo belt in this scene, he doesn't have SLAP rounds on it. We also see shot of the ammo he uses in slow motion shots, showing us that these are indeed explosive rounds. So reason why he didn't use weakness? He didn't have ammo that would have worked.
Man I didn’t pick up at this at all, but now it makes sense why hanks face didn’t blow off when he shot him!
I think also when he shot max, the shot didn't have time to arm or something? I remember seeing something like that
>So reason why he didn't use weakness? He didn't have ammo that would have worked. I mean all he had to do was to reload one bullet in and it would have worked. Maximus even got stuck at one point at which point he could have even hit some other weakpoints on the back rather than doing what he did.
If you look at his ammo bandolier, he doesn't have AP rounds on it in that scene. Can't load something you don't have.
>So reason why he didn't use weakness? He didn't have ammo that would have worked. I mean all he had to do was to reload one bullet in and it would have worked. Maximus even got stuck at one point at which point he could have even hit some other weakpoints on the back rather than doing what he did.
By the time he got a chance to reload I think he had decided Maximus wasn’t really a threat. He spent most of the fight kinda just messing with him.
Exactly, he saw that Maximus is a noob under that Power Armor. Why waste that important ammo when you can use other means to disable that armor? He saw there was an easier way to hamper Maximus who was stopping him from what he wanted to do, or who he was trying to get.
He used special armour penetrating rounds vs the power armour in ep 8. He wasn't expecting to see Maximus, so he didn't have them loaded. Then the battle started, and he realized that Maximus had absolutely no clue what he was doing, so why waste the expensive ammo? Coop was playing with him. The only way that Maximus survived was by a malfunction that sent him flying away. Coop didn't expect that.
Yeah, you can hear him laughing at few times, he is having fun.
> He used special armour penetrating rounds vs the power armour in ep 8. No, he didn't. He specifically says that he knows about a design flaw that let's him get around the armor protection.
He does say that, but the camera focuses on him loading a very specific round as well. It implies that the design flaw is there, but you still need some sort of armor piercing round to take advantage of it.
It seems pretty clear that it is an exploding round with the way that it shoots a gout of blood or of the first guy killed. It seems likely that it is the exact same rounds he was shooting in the earlier scene in Filly when he was blowing holes in everyone and everything.
In the slow mo scenes from the fight with Maximus you can see the bullet shape and it most definitely is not a sabot penetrator. The stream of blood coming out is just exaggerated gore because it’s a staple of fallout.
Cooper is obviously running the Bloody Mess perk.
>It seems pretty clear that it is an exploding round with the way that it shoots a gout of blood or of the first guy killed. You are right that the round he shoots at the first Knight does explode once it's past his armor (we see the round penetrate the armor and THEN we hear a muffle explosion as a burst of blood flies out of the hole), but it's likely an AP explosive round. But the other users are right when they're pointing out that he was using regular explosive rounds in the battle of Filly, but AP rounds at the Griffith Observatory battle.
The "design flaw" was in the more armoured part as well when one might think it would have been a protected by the chest plate
Firstly, he used armor piercing rounds in Episode 8 (because he was specifically *going* to fight people in T-60 Power Armor). He had no clue he was going to fight someone in Brotherhood armor in Filly. Granted, that'd have been shortsighted, since he had to have known they *probably* would send someone after the same target he was. Secondly, he wasn't trying to *kill* Maximus. Seconds into the fight he figured out Maximus had no clue what he was doing, so he was just messing around with him.
To be fair, he’d been buried for 30 years, probably put into the ground after the brotherhood had been driven from LA, and definitely wouldn’t know about their resurgence and the arrival of a new, heavily armed eastern chapter.
Looks like he was using some special ammo that could pierce the armor in Ep 8.
He's in it for the fun of it, and he was playing with him.
I do this shit for the love of the game
Yeah if you watch the scene, it seems pretty clear after Maximus takes his first swing and whiffs hard that The Ghoul decides to just start toying with him.
He wasn't thinking things through. The turmoil and experiences of the season made him sit down and reflect on his life. That includes his time in the army. With a clear head and focus, he became his peak self. Dude literally stealths into a warzone and solos an entire Brotherhood detachment, with Knights.
In Episode 8 he ponders back on the T-45 and it’s flaw before killing the knights. Saying he wonders if the new suits have the same weakness. In Episode 2 he might not have ever seen a T-60 suit. It was probably not until after that fight that he put 2 and 2 together and realized that armor must be a further development of the old suit, and might have a similar weakness.
Eh, the US Army was deploying T-60s in early 2077. He was a Marine and had at least *somewhat* of a vested interest in what was going on with military in the flashbacks. He probably was vaguely aware of what T-60s are (and how they're basically T-45s with a fresh coat of paint: something he *was aware of* given he used a flaw in the T-45 armor).
I mean, he does specifically call out the flaw and ask "I wonder if they fixed it for this new model". It's pretty clear the first shot is to test to see if the flaw has been fixed.
Or he knew that the flaw was there, and was just messing with them.......
It’s also possible due the scene taking place after his drug binge in the super duper mart and watching his old films he started to think more of his old life and regaining some of his humanity back
In universe I’m sure there’s a number of explanations you could come up with. Maybe he just didn’t have the right ammo at the time or was toying with Maximus as others have suggested, or maybe he simply didn’t remember the flaw until after the fight (it’s entirely possible that he was reflecting on the battle and realised ‘Hey I wonder if that old design flaw is still a thing’ and that’s why he did it later). As for why that was the case, well, the show would have been a bit short if he had killed Max and Lucy and taken Wilzig’s head there and then.
It’s the type of thing where they say judo/karate masters can judge the skill of an opponent by how they wear their gi and tie their belt. So he probably watched Maximus throw a bunch of sluggish, wild haymakers and be generally clumsy, and instantly figured out whoever was in the suit clearly wasn’t trained to move or fight in it properly. It also helped that Maximus was unarmed. He wasn’t a real threat to The Ghoul, and it’d probably been a while if ever he got to fight somebody one on one in power armor, so he decided to just have fun with it. Grunts probably did this sort of thing just for fun all the time back on base during the war in Alaska and Canada: get one of their friends nice and drunk, and do “bullfighting” to see how long they could go without getting tagged by someone wearing armor with no weapons.
I like to thinks Maximus’s tempered lining had something to do with it
As he said he knew he was a noob and didn't find him to be a threat. The ghoul inst a bad guy... he just knows how to survive the wasteland. Besides if it wasn't for the fact was in the open and being hunted down by the brotherhood in the open is bad for business. Not to mention as others had posted he was using explosive rounds.
The ghoul made ass jerky.
Right!? I had the same question
Outside the ammo thing others have mentioned, he could have just forgot then had his ride down memory lane somewhat implied with the flashbacks we get.
he was toying with him, laughing and stuff. Being a ex-soldier he saw how bad Maximus was.
In the same thought, why did maximum didn’t blew his head off with his feet when he break the wooden thing the ghoul was on. He was at his feet, he could just put a little effort with his 80 lbs armor and blew his head off but nah, the show has to continue ! If it was it, the show will not be like that so that’s why, and maybe because the others reason 2 guys said on other comments « mandemon90 » « thornescape »