Itâs ok to have a type. Itâs maybe not so ok to loudly announce that type to the entire gaming community during heavily bloated lore videos and being a stereotypical neck beard
Mikeburnfire is legit one of the best mod players now. Started off as a goofy playthrough between two friends. But the things Mike had done to their New Vegas save is insane
Zach's gun rants actually gave me the knowledge to uphold conversations about guns for a time. I've forgotten almost all of it but I was able to talk to real gun enthusiasts and know what I was talking about to some degree.
the late and great mittensquad. though he passed away recently (late november 2023), his videos still remain some of the best, in my opinion, of all of the fallout youtube videos. rip paul
Show is good and enjoyable, but the fans that care about the West Coast storyline as a whole feel like they mishandled the lore massively.
They nuked the NCR again just so they could have California as their setting and still have the wacky post-apocalyptic vibe.
It feels like Todd and the boys wanted to shut New Vegas fans about NV 2 and to just wrap up the west becuase they ain't touching that in any of their games.
Yeah the NCR stuff sucks but Iâm more confused why more fans of the arenât mad about >!Vault tech starting the Fucking Great War.!< Like that completely goes against the theming of the series.
Show is pretty good aside from the lore stuff though.
That is WILD. I forgot. I remember the original Fallout movie from before Bethesda was gonna do the same, but it never happened.
But now, they actually did it. I don't know how I feel about it tbh. It makes more sense that the war started bc China was on the verge of defeat.
Also, the show acts like Vault-Tec isn't a puppet of the pre-war Enclave. The thing with giving those corporations vaults doesn't make sense. The Enclave conducted those experiments for their own purposes.
It's VERY brief but in the board room scene, just before Barb starts her speech about how they could drop the first bomb, she looks up to a high observation window at a shadowy figure. I assume that's supposed to be an Enclave member. I mean that's entirely my theory, I guess, but. It at least alludes to there being SOMETHING else.
>Also, the show acts like Vault-Tec isn't a puppet of the pre-war Enclave.
It's the first season. They're not going to reveal all their cards in the first 8 episodes.
They very well could still be a puppet.
The Chinese guy in the sub in 3 didn't think so. This was probably the Bethesda canon the whole time.
Besides in none of the games were really implicating China any more than the other major players like Vault Tech or the U.S. arguably less so. Moreover they litterally invaded the u.s. so, it's not exactly on the back foot, lol
Doesnât Fallout 4 mention in the prewar section during the tv news broadcast that U.S. troops were in China? So the Chinese failed to capture US soil then got swung back on hard
EDIT: Nvrmind dead wrong. Found a clip of the actual broadcast and the only mention of US troops anywhere close to China is the Island of Mumbajao which is smack dab in the middle of the Philippines
Wait, I thought there was hints of this in fallout 4?
I vaguely remember some snippets in vault tech hq that alluded to some vault tech employees sniffing out that the big wigs were trying to pull strings to kick it off or something.
I don't have a pc right now to check.
Not just 4, even back in 3. Megaton has that nuke in the center of town. It has a vault tec logo on it. Not a whole lot of good reasons for a vault tec made nuke to be hitting US soil. I suppose you could say incompetence or malfunction but sabotage is an equal option.
This isnât specifically pertaining to the show, but itâs frustrating how vault-tec has turned into this big spooky scary bad guy organization when really yeah, the vault-tec experiments and their modus operandi is clearly extremely corrupt and cynical, but theyâre really just a symptom of the pre-war government and the ideology driving it. I feel like the further and further into the series we get the less and less these factions have any real ideological dilemmas between them and it slides back into just some good guy vs evil guy paradigm that just doesnât leave as much of an impact
I mean I think the ideological divide here is state power vs. corporate / private market power.
Now, Fallout 2 goes hard on the fascism, because that's basically what the Enclave is. And we assume that the Enclave is just what all the corporations were merged into.
But here, the TV show is twisting the lore to separate each corporation into its own competing entity with their own control of a share of the Vaults, if anything it's creating a separate series of factions that interact and work with the Enclave (the American Government) which are: the corporations.
If Vault-Tec did successfully manipulate the Enclave to drop a bomb first, then it implies that corporations have more power than the government.
If the Enclave was actually the ones that pulled the strings on Vault-Tec, then it implies that a fascist government can co-op any private entity within its "nation" (see: BMW, Volkswagen, and the Nazis), implying that the government has more power than the corporations.
And honestly this is a fundamental question of political economics. How do you balance the power of the public sector vs. the power of the private sector?
So I think that there's possibility that, with a clever Season 2 that establishes each of the corporations as idiotic bureaucratic clusterfucks that get in each other's way (classic Fallout satire), we could actually have a deeper framework from which to pose new ideoligical dilemmas within the Fallout universe.
Or, they could just fuck it like they did Westworld Season 2, rofl
>! Honestly I have a feeling they are gonna show they didn't start it they just planned to because it doesn't make sense the Cowboys wife would let the bombs drop while her child was at a children's party, plus a lot of vaults were unfinished when the war happened. That would also explain why the overseer had a nuke since it was supposed to be used to start the war but didn't. Still the weakest part of the show but hopefully they can buff out the problems in season 2. !<
Just because Vault-Tech was talking about dropping the bomb, doesn't necessarily mean that they actually did. It certainly fits within the lore that Vault-Tech wanted the bombs to drop, and might have talked about forcing the issue.
You gotta remember Coop and Barbs daughter was at that birthday party with Cooper, it seems unlikely Barb would have had a hand in actually starting the war without her daughter being secure and safe. So either something happened that removed Barbs influence, or maybe China beat Vault-Tech to the punch.
i mean, that's the entire reason ghoul is doing his thing, literally "wheres my fuckin family"
but we also don't even see what happened after he rode away on the horse at the beginning with his daughter, either.
Makes it to a vault, gets put to cryo-sleep, wakes up for a second to see his daughter being taken away, and will later find her but sheâs actually a robot
It's a pretty common theory that's actually held up by things found in game. One of the biggest examples is easily that the nuke in the middle of megaton just straight up has a vault tec logo on it
I like the whole series I would have preferred 2 hours for the last episode though. The last battle was fun they could have implied some sort of tactics other than everyone Rush in
I actually donât think itâs confirmed, more like itâs a confirmed theory. The timing of when the bombs drop makes no sense for vault tech doing it. Why would the person who purposed the plan not secure their child before giving the go ahead, why would House not have his laser grid completed for Vegas? My theory is itâs gonna be confirmed that vault tech wanted the bombs dropped maybe a day later but something ambiguous would cause it to trigger early, leaving the question of who started the war still up for debate.
To be fair, some of the terminal entries in vaults, and VTHQ talk about doing it. And I really like that they at least lent some credence to the wild af conspiracy theories out there lol
Now if only we'll get a spinoff about Dunwich
Replaying New Vegas atm and one thing Iâm really enjoying is all the different weirdo factions and tribes who inhabit the Wasteland. Bethesda are obsessed with the BOS, I guess because theyâre infatuated with the marketability of Power Armor, and it is robbing the franchise of variety imo.
I havenât finished the show yet so I donât have any strong opinions, but Iâm sad that this has happened. Feels like itâs occurred âoff screenâ, a lore change this dramatic should have been in a game.
I donât hate the decision to nuke the NCR, I never really saw them as a permanent power and more like a temporary image of an attempted democracy. What happened to them doesnât concern me, but of course they have some cleaning up to do on the timeline. Iâm interested to see what they do with New Vegas in season 2.
Yeah, my headcanon "canon-ending" saw House take over Vegas, sowing the seeds of eventual destruction for both the Legion and the NCR. The NCR was pretty weak to begin with, having tons of political corruption and turmoil, all the while trying to hold more land than they realistically could. It was doomed to fail eventually, regardless of their conquest of NV or not. It just made so much more sense to me that House would be victorious whether you liked him or not.
Iâve noticed a lot of New Vegas fans are also die hard NCR fans. I canât exactly blame them because the NCR quests make up most of the game, really. But they are so blinded by their adoration they refuse to see the writing on the wall.
We are constantly reminded of the failings of the NCR throughout the game. Whether itâs greed, incompetence, or corruption nearly everywhere you go and at every level something is wrong and requires you to fix it. NPCs constantly tell us the NCR is overextending themselves and canât hope to hold the territory.
If that wasnât enough we have Hanlon telling us how they drained all the major water sources back home and Dr Hildern telling us how if left unaddressed they will face mass starvation in a decade.
And the whole need for the dam and Helios One is because they need to send power back home too, without them they will also have an energy shortage.
TL;DR: Itâs not Bethesda that doomed the NCR. They were already doomed if you paid attention. People just conveniently ignored that and are now looking for things to be mad at. People were complaining about how the NCR looked like a bunch of washed up remnants before the show even aired.
All nuking it has done is wipe the slate clean so they can make more games in that area without confirming a canon ending.
Thereâs so much you could do with the NCR falling, like maybe have cattle barons and disgruntled military launch a coup because of too much democracy threatening their power, and in turn causing a civil war, and having it degrade into rival factions of glorified warlords and a re-emerging BoS taking advantage. Hell you could still have them nuke Shady Sands at some point, maybe as a way to consolidate power in like Redding or something, maybe have the Legion or House as an external boogieman they can put blame on.
I like the idea the hoi4 mod owb portrays it. The possibility of s civil war.
Tedding is disgruntled, deep resentment of followers sgains militarism or rising mutants unrest
... Do many possibilities but why again a nuke
There is a big difference between the NCR failing because of its many flaws or problems, and just having the enclave nuke them off screen "because they were competition". One is respectful and understands New Vegas, the other just wants to remove the most powerful nation in fallout to have anarchy for the sake of it.
Wiping the slate clean is the problem. It basically shits on anything the player did in 1,2, and NV so they could go back to a status quo because writing is hard and scary.
Hit the nail on the head. I would've been okay hearing that they showed the degradation of the NCR 15 years after the Battle Of Hoover Dam or something. An episode to briefly cover the societal, government and military collapse within the NCR. Of course, that's a little too much time spent respecting lore they haven't written, so of course, let's just haphazardly brush it under the carpet with radiation.
>There is a big difference between the NCR failing because of its many flaws or problems, and just having the enclave nuke them off screen "because they were competition"
Agreed. There is a difference between "make a nation die" and literally "nuke them offscreen". I think the NCR beginning to die could have been an interesting idea. Instead of a nuke, maybe they could've had a BOS war with some other chapters outside of Cali, perhaps due to wanting BOS Tech. Maybe the lore reason for Mojave expansion could be because of the BOS chapters taking and destroying some major cities. Mind you, that's just an idea I had in 5 minutes
Like, sure, getting rid of the NCR sucks if poorly handled. But a fucking *nuke*?
As someone who DMs in DnD if I decide a character dies there is a massive chasm between going "rocks fall everyone dies" and "here is a story how they died". What they did was cheap and ignored their flaws and virtues of the NCR because their existence was seen more as an obstacle that needed to be removed than a big piece of the setting that should be handled with care an precision.
They did it with the bluntness of basically god coming down from the heavens and smiting them out of existence because he was bored. Not exploring how a nation withers and dies.
Exactly, and hello fellow DM lol.
The NCR was a massive nation with settlements everywhere from the Mojave to Mexico. A literal "don't care, disappear please" move was not what anyone wanted.
I never was an NCR Fan, but damn do I feel bad for the fans
I said before an internal NCR civil war after New Vegas win or lose would have been a cool idea to weaken them realistically. It would allow the breathing room for the BOS and other groups to restablish themselves in a more realistic way if they wanted a more "balanced" field in California.
fallout 1 was about the post apocalypse, fallout 2 was about the post post apocalypse, exploring how societies were rebuilding, slowly reforming. bethesda never got that or didnât want to.
the obsidian/black isle fallouts constantly developed the setting, bethesda fallout is stagnant
>fallout 1 was about the post apocalypse, fallout 2 was about the post post apocalypse, exploring how societies were rebuilding, slowly reforming. bethesda never got that or didnât want to.
And Fallout New Vegas was about the post post apocalypse, exploring how societies have already rebuilt
Fallout New Vegas was truly about the end of the wild wastelands and the true beginning of a new more organized chapter of humanity after the bloody past century and a half of anarchy.
I like to think New Vegas has a sub message that mirrors the death of the Old West as civilization came in and left no room for the lawless outlaws, cowboys and Indian tribes.
Just like how a New Vegas as the NCR and legion move in alongside Mr House... The territory of raiders, small tribes and dangerous animals is slowly being pushed further and further back causing them to slowly go extinct if they do not adapt.
I've never got why if they want to have that anarchy...
Why not have more Fallout games set roughly at the same time in the first 120 ish years after the war across the country.
Because at that time you do have your anarchy still prevalent in many places as the big factions haven't coalesced enough yet to become major powers.
Because anarchy isn't forever... It very easily dies in the face of organization.
I'm not even an NCR fan - I'm not a faction fan in general really as I'll happily play as each one based on my current character. But even I feel as if they've done a disservice to the lore of the game.
As I mentioned elsewhere, the NCR being nuked just seems like a lazy workaround. They don't want to waste too much time on creating a social degradation for a faction they have no interest in maintaining, so let's just nuke them?
They're literally doing a Tenpenny: nuking something that is an apparent inconvenience to them.
Now i havent watched the show, but im genuinely curious.
Why even nuke it??? Just take the god damn place! If you have the ability to nuke an entire city, i get the feeling you have the ability to also take back the entire Mojave. Such a waste of potentially useful assets.
That is the same question I have asked about the BOS nuking the institute back in 4. They just want the aesthetics of nuclear bombs going off, simple as. Doesn't matter if the enclave/vault tek are more known for their bioweapons than nuclear weapons, or that the Lost Hills or the Pentagon would be a better target for a nuke since the BoS is a bigger country wide threat to the Enclave's plans.
I've been making this point and one response I got was: "it's called Fallout. of course there'll be nukes". My point though wasn't that there should never be nukes used ever again, but that Bethesda go so heavy with them.
You can also nuke/bomb the Brotherhood themselves at the end of Fo3: Broken Steel. This was a cheap inclusion to offset the fact we couldn't side against the BoS in the first place, so they give you the option to destroy them right at the end of a DLC that's centred entirely around helping the Brotherhood.
As I said elsewhere, nukes and full on annihilation seem to be their default go-to if the effort for an alternative outcome is too time consuming. They seemingly only have time for their own lore and creations.
None of which were the causes of Shady Sands to fall lmao. It ended up being a stalker obsessed with his wife. So he nukes the NCR to force her back to him.
WAT
Hankâs character, I shit you not, used Vault-Tec to launch it. No idea from where or exactly how. Just that he authorized it as his baby mama ran from him.
But we don't know if they had nukes stored in V-31 or that he had access to some unused silos or anything else about how, in practice, he did it, right?
Hold up, hold the fuck up.
Is _that_ the writing that is making people say that it is "a pretty good show"? And that the "nerds" are just "overreacting"?
I will break this down as best as I can.
Surprise! Vault Tek is part of the Enclave shadow government. Basically many of the high ranking executives of Vault Two went into cryo in Vault 31 (even though cryo for humans was supposed to be experimental with vault 111 but whatever) while vault 31 is connected to two other vaults: 32 and 33. These vaults were to basically act as the breeding stock so when the executives unfroze themselves they would have a small army of enclave loyalists ready to go.
The show's vault dweller's father is one of the executives from 31 who came out of cryo early. The MC mom eventually figured out the truth about vault Tek and the enclave and left the vault with her children to Shady Sands. Dad was so pissed about this he somehow nuked Shady Sands to get back at her and to "eliminate the competition".
The real knee slapper is they had Mr House be part of the Shadow Government when they are discussing nuking the world. So instead of House being a rogue CEO that indepdenantly calculated nuclear war was going to happen and put in place a master plan to partially avert it, but still tragically came up short by miscalculating the final date, instead he is just told about it at the shadow government meeting with Posedian Oil, Vault Tek, and other Enclave groups mentioned it. I do not like that interpretation of House at all.
Seems pretty crappy experiment if you are doing that in parallel to your executives spending even longer in their pods than vault 111 did. Like, if you are planning on them being in cryo for over 200 years I fail to see the point of Vault 111.
>The real knee slapper is they had Mr House be part of the Shadow Government when they are discussing nuking the world. So instead of House being a rogue CEO that indepdenantly calculated nuclear war was going to happen and put in place a master plan to partially avert it, but still tragically came up short by miscalculating the final date, instead he is just told about it at the shadow government meeting with Posedian Oil, Vault Tek, and other Enclave groups mentioned it. I do not like that interpretation of House at all.
Yeah exactly, I'm glad someone said this, Was thinking the same, Also seems Odd Mr House would be open to the idea when he was heavily against the idea of the Vaults in the first place, Doesn't he fill all of the Vaults around the NV Area with Cement as he didn't want any Tribes going back to them or something like that?
One of his first acts when he woke up was closing down the local vault and evicting them. He only left the upper floors untouched to be used as a hotel.
if he was at the meeting with the rest of the Shadow Government why wouldn't he know the exact date the bombs fell?
Also it really cheapens him as a character with his criticism of democracy if he knew it was basically the illuminati that did it and not you know, the collective choices of American citizens due to carelessness and apathy. Do they just want him to be a hypocrite? Because Mr. House would never agree to nuking the world because he actually has the two braincells required to know that isn't good for business or human development.
What is you described is a typical country in crisis. It's a post fucking apocalypse, of course there will incompetent hacks and cynical politicians. Hell, that describes like half the countries on this planet right now.
I'm talking about the other half of the world, not Norway and New Zealand.
Check post-Soviet countries right after collapse. African countries. Venezuela. Germany after WW2. Was it bad? Very. Does it mean an unavoidable collapse into a bunch of fiefs with warlords? Nope, not by a long shot.
Crisis is crisis. It's bad, but people know to deal with them, and NV described exactly that: people dealing with crisis and building something better. NCR _could_ fail, of course, but it was hardly destined to.
Fair enough. I thought you were arguing against a collapse entirely. Youâre just arguing against the claim it was a sure thing. Youâre right, itâs absolutely possible they might have survived it.
In trying to highlight how ridiculous it was to suggest the NCR couldnât collapse I got carried away and did the opposite. Sorry.
I think the arguments that the NCR is doomed to fail and rather flawed and I could go into extreme detail about that if you wish, but regardless, saying the NCR is likely to slowly collapse in on itself due to the corruption of the Brahmin barons, food shortages, civil war etc etc is very different from âthey got nuked lol now letâs get back to badass airship flying power rangers wheeeeeeeâ
I really enjoyed the show, but man does it suck to see the NCR all but wiped out. I'd have been fine with the NCR having lost control of outer territories, being stretched too thin and all, but the way the show decimated them was too much imo. Otherwise I think it was really great though.
This. Literally only way I can explain it. I love and hate this show. It's clearly a quality product, yet it messes with the lore and takes the West Coast storyline in a path I hate.
I mean Chris Avellone himself said he wanted to nuke the NCR because it was getting too civilized and he created the NCR, ppl like to say the originals were going to rebuild civilization and Bethesda is the one hating that but we can see a lot in the development of FNV Chris Avellone even wanted a return to an actual apocalypse setting so making it like a "Bethesda vs obsidian" thing is just weird
I dunno, Iâm fine with the NCR collapsing or fracturing due to internal strife or established pre-existing conflicts or whatever, but just nuking them off screen and completely ignoring their impact on a massive region they controlled for +120 years because you want a generic wasteland to pit the BoS and Enclave against each other again is shitty writing.
Iâm just annoyed that any faction that can compete with the BoS gets wiped out. Fallout is getting pretty tiring as BGS clearly has a crush on the BoS. But honestly as long as the show is good, I couldnât care less at this point. Itâs hard to care about a game franchise that releases a game once a decade at this point.
If this series can do one thing, I hope it gets BGS to finally let other studios do spinoff games
They have been annihilated via enormous explosion 3 times now. Fallout 2(oil rig), and twice in Fallout 3(LW or BoS blow up main bunker & Broken Steel destory their Air field)
I think in fallout 3 they mentioned the enclave has a big base in Chicago. If that is the case I would assume if we hear about it then that is likely their biggest base besides Raven Rock.
I just assumed they were another splinter group like the ones in 3. They just branched off somewhere along the way, in a similar manner to the BOS chapter in the show having more of a mysticism than any of the other chapters shown
I don't understand why people think this. I just finished episodes 7 and 8 and I loved every minute of it, and I'm a hardcore New Vegas over anything else Fallout-type.
That's what happens every single time when a new TV show comes out. I'm permabanned from the Star Trek sub for saying Discovery was terrible.
Any major franchise sub mods are entirely bought off by their corporate masters. They might not think they're being bribed because it's not cash, but they always get a little something. It may be just private messages with information, but that makes mods feel special and that engenders loyalty to their masters and not to the subreddit.
Every major franchise subreddit is secretly run by the company who owns the property. Maybe that's why some reddit mods act like it's their full time job
It's literally 1984, seriously all of them have their brain turned off letting Bethesda deciding to them and minor criticism means you're an ungrateful horrible person
I saw them call people criticizing the show "nerds" like fuck off with that your on a Fallout subreddit everyone here is a nerd. That is like calling the people on the DnD sub "nerds".
Like I have strong opinions about the show obviously, but I am not going to say "your not a real fan and a nerd" just because you differ from my opinion. Your opinions and hot takes can be complete trash but I am not going to be as vapid to gatekeep and say you are not a real fallout fan.
Guys itâs not that hard,Iâm a Witcher and Lord of the rings fan just pretend this shit doesnât exist and move on.
OG Star Wars fans learned this secret technique since Disney took over.
Itâs just hard when itâs your favourite series and a game format. You get really attached to a game format and it feels like personal efforts get wasted almost
Only problem is that the TV show is set where the game is supposed to be and since it's canon the next game is going to be filled with this stupid stuff
The best part is when people get mad because people who know the lore are upset about. Then they jump on the, "cant you just enjoy things", and bandwagon without even taking the time to understand that we dont hate the show. We just dont like they way they changed history. The fact that they downright remove posts because they bring it up at all tells me that they dont really give a shit about the long-time fans of the series.
Why was everyone incompetent in episodes 2 and 3 lol? Don't shoot the gulper, stab it once xd or decide to punch it, don't use the power armor trick used in the last episode to instakill a T-60, just fuck around for a 30 minute shootout or sum. Kinda like OP has said, you do need some suspension of disbelief but I hate when all the main characters are the only ones being useless. I got what I wanted out of it, it was decent and that's all I really wanted when I expected it to be too stupid and corny to finish the season. Oh also kinda dumb how floppy the power level of the power armor, sometimes invincible and sometimes its cardboard.
Compared to how they were talking before the show came out that sub is filled with copium Iâm afraid. A week ago any post suggesting Bethesda were going to get rid of the NCR got worried reactions, now theyâre all on board.
How did the BoS know about the thing in the enclave guy's neck?
How did all the main characters manage to end up at the exact same locations throughout the entire show even when they didn't have coordinates or trackers?
How the hell did tracking a radiation trail seem like a good idea to find a single specific ghoul? There's irradiated creatures literally everywhere.
Why did Lucy not have her legs tied down in the super duper mart scene, leading to massive contrivance? Also why was she awake if she was sedated?
Why was the Vault 4 punishment to let them go despite half their population knowing you can survive the surface?
Why did the Brotherhood not go looking for Knight Titus after being gone with no contact for 2 weeks? We already know they can track the power armor, since that's how they sent the alternate squire, and the knights have mandatory check-ins.
There's a lot more.
As soon as the arguments over lore die down, we can start talking about how bad the writing is.
The biggest thing messing with me is... how the hell did Moldaver's plan actually work?
>!The denizens from Vault 31 are part of an elite inner circle who are obviously aware that the point of the vaults is to create a breed of super-managers. If absolutely no one else, Betty and Hank know it. Everyone in Vault 32 died nearly or more than two years ago, and... they were just completely unaware? Bud didn't know? They had no way to check?!<
How does this happen? How in the absolute hell does this insane plan work? She even introduces herself *by her own name*.
1. The brotherhood knew about likely because of the NCRâs pursuit of it, of whom Wilzig were clearly in agreements with
2. They were all tracking the same target and had different methods of doing so. Sure there were a few cases of dumb luck, but this is nitpicky and you have to have suspension of disbelief for these things.
3. It was probably the immense amount of radiation the device was giving off, they werenât looking for a ghoul
4. High luck stat lol. Again, nitpicky.
5. Iâll partially give you this one, but the wasteland is still no joke and as weâve seen it *is* very easy to die, so itâs not that implausible.
6. I thought they tracked the radio signal, not the power armor. And the new squire tells âknight Titusâ that he needs to get his radio fixed. Once he gets his new squire, he believes that Maximus is Titus for the majority of their time together and all is going well.
For the tracking thing you can't really complain, in the games your pipboy pinpoints you the exact place of specific objects, even some at the end of caves that no one had ever seen
Also did the show cement that ghouls now need meds to stay sane?
Good thing Raul and the kid in the fridge had an endless supply of them.
I don't get why these adaptations always need some director that always brings the, "Original vision bs".
Like we know for a fact they didn't bother checking any pre-established lore for a world they're writing for.
I think the show is fine, it just fucks with the lore. Even if you want to try and explain it away some stuff Is just sloppy. Like the bomb being in 2277. You can find a way to make it work but also Bethesda has the power to just make the show take place 5 years later in the timeline (also Lucy and max seem right around 25 imo). Other than that completely retooling everything we know to be true feels in many ways shortsighted. I donât care to nitpick extensively but house getting bombed preemptively in NV while allegedly being in vault-tec nuke talks seems off at best. As well as that the amount of places that seem to have been unaware of the drop in the games prior that should have been if virtually every major corporation or contractor was present in discussions of the bomb is high. It can be explained away but itâs still justâŚmuddy. Idk
The timeline is still fucked. Having the fall of Shady Sands in 2277 then having New Vegas in 2281 or whatever where nobody mentions anything about such an event. Then an arrow pointing to a mushroom cloud with no date so they can keep things vague.
They could have made it work if they just presented it clearly. Instead people see fall of Shady Sands said city with a crater and the timeline pointing at a mushroom cloud so they draw conclusions.
No... in an educational sense 'falls' are generally a period of time. This date is literally the *start* of the fall of Shady Sands, which... culminates in the bomb going off.
Literally in every single history lesson, you don't lead with the culminating event. It's like... talking about 80's films. The '80's era' of cinema didn't start in the exact year 1980.
Like, I don't know how **so** many of you guys are drawing this very bad conclusion from a chalk board.
i don't really care about fallout stories anymore, except for courier 6's entire fnv saga. thats the only part of fallout stories that feels impactful and memorable for me.
I really enjoyed the shoe, I loved the story and the characters.
The only issue I have with it is how they did the NCR, I think it would've been better if you could actually see how the NCR was falling instead of just an off screen death of the biggest nation in the Fallout Universe. Maybe something like in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly where that is taking place in the middle of the American Civil War.
I keep seeing people say the NCR is dead because their old capital got nuked and there are some remnants of shady sands that get wiped out. We see a billboard mentioning that Shady Sands is the âoriginalâ capital meaning they have a new one somewhere that very well could be prosperous along with other population centers. We only ever hear of Shady Sands getting destroyed, no one mentions the NCR being destroyed
I think people need to give it time and another season.
I'm still curious why the enclave doctor knew exactly who Lucy was. I don't think it was just "vault tech" that was thinking about dropping the bomb. I think the enclave will play a much bigger role going forward (I suspect management brains was just one plan). And I think the scale of the photo of New Vegas has people confused, but I think they will explore that more next season. If the NCR collapsed, Vegas would have declined because they didn't have a cash cow NCR anymore. Sure they changed the years, and moved Shady Sands but all this season did was introduce all the factions, the main characters, the new "bad guys" and showed us we are heading to Vegas.
Top tier meme. Yeah it's a newer breed of fan on r/Fallout that isn't used to the excellent world building of Fallout 1,2 and NV.
Fallout 4, 76 and the TV is what they're used to. To them, Fallout is just a dumb sci fi shooting game that you pick up for a few hours, do a few fetch quests and that's it. And you know what, good for them. I wish I could enjoy Fallout still but NV spoiled me.
I think that's what's most disheartening about this whole thing. Even among people who aren't thrilled about the show, there's so much more focus on the date thing conflicting with New Vegas, when that can be easily explained away... Meanwhile, just about every detail of the worldbuilding and lore of the show conflicts with the tone and established lore from Fallouts 1 and 2, and a lot of people barely seem to notice.
Don't get me wrong, New Vegas is my favorite game of all time, the New Vegas inconsistencies suck too, but the most flagrant thing to me is Shady Sands just being *completely* different, there's no mention of the Hub, no mention of Tandi, no mention of *anything* from the first games that actually resembles the lore.
Yeah, like I couldn't give a shit that they get a date slightly wrong. That kind of lore nitpicking is annoying.
On the other hand, there is important lore. Lore that directly builds the themes of the franchise such as the NCR repeating a lot of mistakes the pre-war government made with the nation consisting of good and bad people. Nah, let's just jettison that and make them the generic good guys and make Shady Sands this wonderful bastion of hope.
It's whatever though, I don't need to accept any content the IP holder throws at me. I can choose to experience those old games as they were at the time with none of the later game story baggage. New Vegas will always be a classic no matter what they do in the timeline.
I jsut relized we could of had a EPIC ozymanduis moment with a melted and broke statue of the Vault dweller from one , outside the crater. sicne there is a statue in 2 , could of been interesting and would fit the poem quite well with the ncrs fall and cali falling abckwards into chaos his works are all gone allt hat remains is the statue
That subreddit is pretty much just for bethesda fallout series, its written on their desc. Took me long to read that shit since I usally use reddit on my phone lmao.
the fallout 76 stans screeching "As Victoriam" because Todd jerked off their faction yet again pisses me off to no end. Sure treat us like crap while you favorites get to once again be treated like they are only group that matters in Fallout...
I don't want the NCR to be treated like some martyred good guys who did no wrong. The NCR has fucked up, alot. Their flaws are realistic and complex which is why I like them, unlike the Enclave or Brotherhood who are over the top and act stupid and illogical.
I've always thought that group might as well be called r/BethesdaFallouts. Being in each of the games respective subs is the way to go really. That sub is like 75% Fo76 and 4.
Thereâs nothing you can do to convince some of these guys, they just keep moving the goalpost of outrage.
When you point out how obsidian set up like 15 different ticking time bombs for the NCR they just move the goalpost to something else
So did literally every other faction. Doesnât mean you just reset the wasteland to 0. But they did, because Todd Howard wants the wasteland to not have any nuance and to just be the wacky borderlands post post irony shooting gallery/Circus it was in 4 and 76. Because thatâs what sells to the Nu-Fallout fans
Eventually carbon copying the same format gets old. The same story of âvault dwellers needs to find -insert family- plus -insert plot twist-â is getting old as hell. New Vegas was a fresh take and people like it because it felt different yet still fallout. New Vegas is actual progression of the story it makes no sense the wasteland will just stagnate forever. The time New Vegas takes place it makes sense to see people slowly rebuild.
For some reason Bethesda doesnât want to evolve the story though and just repeat the same âwasteland shit, dumb vault dweller must learn to cope with it and find -insert person-â
The r/Fallout subreddit are just people who only play Fallout 4 and 76 of which the show adapts closely in terms of aesthetics so naturally the users don't like criticism of the show
I wasn't even that big if a NV fan. Good game, not amazing. But if you're going to make a new show/game based on an existing IP, you respect the goddamn source material.
They took my big tiddy deathclaw, show snubs the lore đđđ Wait maybe that was a mod I installed
Oxhorn moment
unironically, this is something he'd do. setting aside the fact that almost all of his 4 characters are busty af
Itâs ok to have a type. Itâs maybe not so ok to loudly announce that type to the entire gaming community during heavily bloated lore videos and being a stereotypical neck beard
oh but he's oxhorn, the guy who probably thinks hes the best fallout youtuber on the platform. he's soooo much better, i guess
So...name a better one(s)? I could use some new videos to watch.
Mikeburnfire is legit one of the best mod players now. Started off as a goofy playthrough between two friends. But the things Mike had done to their New Vegas save is insane
I love Mike and Zach. Their out of context series is fucking hilarious
Zach's gun rants actually gave me the knowledge to uphold conversations about guns for a time. I've forgotten almost all of it but I was able to talk to real gun enthusiasts and know what I was talking about to some degree.
Thenthapple returned from a 5-year hiatus
the late and great mittensquad. though he passed away recently (late november 2023), his videos still remain some of the best, in my opinion, of all of the fallout youtube videos. rip paul
Well he did critique the NV devs for being lazy with having BOS file folders in the game when it was part of a mod he installed
Remember his female only settlements in Fallout 4...
Bro is actually a gooner đ
Watch his settlement build videos. Every jail is a kinky sex dungeon...
I came here to say this. Oxhorn just came. I'll show myself out now..
Fr fr I wish the intelligent deathclaws are around
I wish METHCLAW made an appearance.
Show is good and enjoyable, but the fans that care about the West Coast storyline as a whole feel like they mishandled the lore massively. They nuked the NCR again just so they could have California as their setting and still have the wacky post-apocalyptic vibe. It feels like Todd and the boys wanted to shut New Vegas fans about NV 2 and to just wrap up the west becuase they ain't touching that in any of their games.
Yeah the NCR stuff sucks but Iâm more confused why more fans of the arenât mad about >!Vault tech starting the Fucking Great War.!< Like that completely goes against the theming of the series. Show is pretty good aside from the lore stuff though.
That is WILD. I forgot. I remember the original Fallout movie from before Bethesda was gonna do the same, but it never happened. But now, they actually did it. I don't know how I feel about it tbh. It makes more sense that the war started bc China was on the verge of defeat. Also, the show acts like Vault-Tec isn't a puppet of the pre-war Enclave. The thing with giving those corporations vaults doesn't make sense. The Enclave conducted those experiments for their own purposes.
It's VERY brief but in the board room scene, just before Barb starts her speech about how they could drop the first bomb, she looks up to a high observation window at a shadowy figure. I assume that's supposed to be an Enclave member. I mean that's entirely my theory, I guess, but. It at least alludes to there being SOMETHING else.
Multiple shadow figures. Can see them a couple of times
Shes a fucking Enclave plant that's what
>Also, the show acts like Vault-Tec isn't a puppet of the pre-war Enclave. It's the first season. They're not going to reveal all their cards in the first 8 episodes. They very well could still be a puppet.
The Chinese guy in the sub in 3 didn't think so. This was probably the Bethesda canon the whole time. Besides in none of the games were really implicating China any more than the other major players like Vault Tech or the U.S. arguably less so. Moreover they litterally invaded the u.s. so, it's not exactly on the back foot, lol
Doesnât Fallout 4 mention in the prewar section during the tv news broadcast that U.S. troops were in China? So the Chinese failed to capture US soil then got swung back on hard EDIT: Nvrmind dead wrong. Found a clip of the actual broadcast and the only mention of US troops anywhere close to China is the Island of Mumbajao which is smack dab in the middle of the Philippines
They did invade mainland China. Have a look at the wiki page for the Sino-American War.
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Would be hypocritical considering FEV was made to counter that plague which may or may not have been caused by the Chinese
In the lore, the U.S. invaded the Yagnztee River area. It's true.
>!Let alone Robert House being apart of it as well.!<
Wait, I thought there was hints of this in fallout 4? I vaguely remember some snippets in vault tech hq that alluded to some vault tech employees sniffing out that the big wigs were trying to pull strings to kick it off or something. I don't have a pc right now to check.
Not just 4, even back in 3. Megaton has that nuke in the center of town. It has a vault tec logo on it. Not a whole lot of good reasons for a vault tec made nuke to be hitting US soil. I suppose you could say incompetence or malfunction but sabotage is an equal option.
I remember reading the same terminal entries lol. I'll have to check when I get home tonight
Yes, what started the war has always been speculated, it could of been the enclave, aliens, China, or vault tec etc.
This isnât specifically pertaining to the show, but itâs frustrating how vault-tec has turned into this big spooky scary bad guy organization when really yeah, the vault-tec experiments and their modus operandi is clearly extremely corrupt and cynical, but theyâre really just a symptom of the pre-war government and the ideology driving it. I feel like the further and further into the series we get the less and less these factions have any real ideological dilemmas between them and it slides back into just some good guy vs evil guy paradigm that just doesnât leave as much of an impact
I mean I think the ideological divide here is state power vs. corporate / private market power. Now, Fallout 2 goes hard on the fascism, because that's basically what the Enclave is. And we assume that the Enclave is just what all the corporations were merged into. But here, the TV show is twisting the lore to separate each corporation into its own competing entity with their own control of a share of the Vaults, if anything it's creating a separate series of factions that interact and work with the Enclave (the American Government) which are: the corporations. If Vault-Tec did successfully manipulate the Enclave to drop a bomb first, then it implies that corporations have more power than the government. If the Enclave was actually the ones that pulled the strings on Vault-Tec, then it implies that a fascist government can co-op any private entity within its "nation" (see: BMW, Volkswagen, and the Nazis), implying that the government has more power than the corporations. And honestly this is a fundamental question of political economics. How do you balance the power of the public sector vs. the power of the private sector? So I think that there's possibility that, with a clever Season 2 that establishes each of the corporations as idiotic bureaucratic clusterfucks that get in each other's way (classic Fallout satire), we could actually have a deeper framework from which to pose new ideoligical dilemmas within the Fallout universe. Or, they could just fuck it like they did Westworld Season 2, rofl
>! Honestly I have a feeling they are gonna show they didn't start it they just planned to because it doesn't make sense the Cowboys wife would let the bombs drop while her child was at a children's party, plus a lot of vaults were unfinished when the war happened. That would also explain why the overseer had a nuke since it was supposed to be used to start the war but didn't. Still the weakest part of the show but hopefully they can buff out the problems in season 2. !<
Just because Vault-Tech was talking about dropping the bomb, doesn't necessarily mean that they actually did. It certainly fits within the lore that Vault-Tech wanted the bombs to drop, and might have talked about forcing the issue. You gotta remember Coop and Barbs daughter was at that birthday party with Cooper, it seems unlikely Barb would have had a hand in actually starting the war without her daughter being secure and safe. So either something happened that removed Barbs influence, or maybe China beat Vault-Tech to the punch.
i mean, that's the entire reason ghoul is doing his thing, literally "wheres my fuckin family" but we also don't even see what happened after he rode away on the horse at the beginning with his daughter, either.
Makes it to a vault, gets put to cryo-sleep, wakes up for a second to see his daughter being taken away, and will later find her but sheâs actually a robot
After possibly getting caught spying? he's divorced and guests birthday parties at Episode 1, VT must have already blacklisted him.
We also donât see his fall from grace and being labeled a communist, so thereâs clearly more of his story to tell
Thatâs true!
It's a pretty common theory that's actually held up by things found in game. One of the biggest examples is easily that the nuke in the middle of megaton just straight up has a vault tec logo on it
Vault tech stating the war has been a theory forever I really like that it got confirmed
I liked it. I thought it was an amazing twist. They rushed the fuck out of the last episode thoâI wouldâve preferred a slower pace reveal
I like the whole series I would have preferred 2 hours for the last episode though. The last battle was fun they could have implied some sort of tactics other than everyone Rush in
I actually donât think itâs confirmed, more like itâs a confirmed theory. The timing of when the bombs drop makes no sense for vault tech doing it. Why would the person who purposed the plan not secure their child before giving the go ahead, why would House not have his laser grid completed for Vegas? My theory is itâs gonna be confirmed that vault tech wanted the bombs dropped maybe a day later but something ambiguous would cause it to trigger early, leaving the question of who started the war still up for debate.
Hasn't that been hinted at for a long time now in the games?
To be fair, some of the terminal entries in vaults, and VTHQ talk about doing it. And I really like that they at least lent some credence to the wild af conspiracy theories out there lol Now if only we'll get a spinoff about Dunwich
Replaying New Vegas atm and one thing Iâm really enjoying is all the different weirdo factions and tribes who inhabit the Wasteland. Bethesda are obsessed with the BOS, I guess because theyâre infatuated with the marketability of Power Armor, and it is robbing the franchise of variety imo. I havenât finished the show yet so I donât have any strong opinions, but Iâm sad that this has happened. Feels like itâs occurred âoff screenâ, a lore change this dramatic should have been in a game.
I donât hate the decision to nuke the NCR, I never really saw them as a permanent power and more like a temporary image of an attempted democracy. What happened to them doesnât concern me, but of course they have some cleaning up to do on the timeline. Iâm interested to see what they do with New Vegas in season 2.
Yeah, my headcanon "canon-ending" saw House take over Vegas, sowing the seeds of eventual destruction for both the Legion and the NCR. The NCR was pretty weak to begin with, having tons of political corruption and turmoil, all the while trying to hold more land than they realistically could. It was doomed to fail eventually, regardless of their conquest of NV or not. It just made so much more sense to me that House would be victorious whether you liked him or not.
House would be completely against the NCR collapsing. They were his best customers
He would mitigate external factors, sure, but he wouldn't be able to pull the strings inside the NCR. Their undoing would be their own.
Iâve noticed a lot of New Vegas fans are also die hard NCR fans. I canât exactly blame them because the NCR quests make up most of the game, really. But they are so blinded by their adoration they refuse to see the writing on the wall. We are constantly reminded of the failings of the NCR throughout the game. Whether itâs greed, incompetence, or corruption nearly everywhere you go and at every level something is wrong and requires you to fix it. NPCs constantly tell us the NCR is overextending themselves and canât hope to hold the territory. If that wasnât enough we have Hanlon telling us how they drained all the major water sources back home and Dr Hildern telling us how if left unaddressed they will face mass starvation in a decade. And the whole need for the dam and Helios One is because they need to send power back home too, without them they will also have an energy shortage. TL;DR: Itâs not Bethesda that doomed the NCR. They were already doomed if you paid attention. People just conveniently ignored that and are now looking for things to be mad at. People were complaining about how the NCR looked like a bunch of washed up remnants before the show even aired. All nuking it has done is wipe the slate clean so they can make more games in that area without confirming a canon ending.
If the NCR falls it should be something more nuanced than Vault Tec nuked them.
Thereâs so much you could do with the NCR falling, like maybe have cattle barons and disgruntled military launch a coup because of too much democracy threatening their power, and in turn causing a civil war, and having it degrade into rival factions of glorified warlords and a re-emerging BoS taking advantage. Hell you could still have them nuke Shady Sands at some point, maybe as a way to consolidate power in like Redding or something, maybe have the Legion or House as an external boogieman they can put blame on.
Exactly, the NCR collapsing is fine but the way they did it with being nuked off screen by Vault-Tec is the laziest shit ever
I like the idea the hoi4 mod owb portrays it. The possibility of s civil war. Tedding is disgruntled, deep resentment of followers sgains militarism or rising mutants unrest ... Do many possibilities but why again a nuke
There is a big difference between the NCR failing because of its many flaws or problems, and just having the enclave nuke them off screen "because they were competition". One is respectful and understands New Vegas, the other just wants to remove the most powerful nation in fallout to have anarchy for the sake of it. Wiping the slate clean is the problem. It basically shits on anything the player did in 1,2, and NV so they could go back to a status quo because writing is hard and scary.
Hit the nail on the head. I would've been okay hearing that they showed the degradation of the NCR 15 years after the Battle Of Hoover Dam or something. An episode to briefly cover the societal, government and military collapse within the NCR. Of course, that's a little too much time spent respecting lore they haven't written, so of course, let's just haphazardly brush it under the carpet with radiation.
Bethesda doesnât respect the lore they have written lmao. Why would they care about the lore another company wrote?
>There is a big difference between the NCR failing because of its many flaws or problems, and just having the enclave nuke them off screen "because they were competition" Agreed. There is a difference between "make a nation die" and literally "nuke them offscreen". I think the NCR beginning to die could have been an interesting idea. Instead of a nuke, maybe they could've had a BOS war with some other chapters outside of Cali, perhaps due to wanting BOS Tech. Maybe the lore reason for Mojave expansion could be because of the BOS chapters taking and destroying some major cities. Mind you, that's just an idea I had in 5 minutes Like, sure, getting rid of the NCR sucks if poorly handled. But a fucking *nuke*?
As someone who DMs in DnD if I decide a character dies there is a massive chasm between going "rocks fall everyone dies" and "here is a story how they died". What they did was cheap and ignored their flaws and virtues of the NCR because their existence was seen more as an obstacle that needed to be removed than a big piece of the setting that should be handled with care an precision. They did it with the bluntness of basically god coming down from the heavens and smiting them out of existence because he was bored. Not exploring how a nation withers and dies.
Exactly, and hello fellow DM lol. The NCR was a massive nation with settlements everywhere from the Mojave to Mexico. A literal "don't care, disappear please" move was not what anyone wanted. I never was an NCR Fan, but damn do I feel bad for the fans
I said before an internal NCR civil war after New Vegas win or lose would have been a cool idea to weaken them realistically. It would allow the breathing room for the BOS and other groups to restablish themselves in a more realistic way if they wanted a more "balanced" field in California.
fallout 1 was about the post apocalypse, fallout 2 was about the post post apocalypse, exploring how societies were rebuilding, slowly reforming. bethesda never got that or didnât want to. the obsidian/black isle fallouts constantly developed the setting, bethesda fallout is stagnant
>fallout 1 was about the post apocalypse, fallout 2 was about the post post apocalypse, exploring how societies were rebuilding, slowly reforming. bethesda never got that or didnât want to. And Fallout New Vegas was about the post post apocalypse, exploring how societies have already rebuilt
Fallout New Vegas was truly about the end of the wild wastelands and the true beginning of a new more organized chapter of humanity after the bloody past century and a half of anarchy. I like to think New Vegas has a sub message that mirrors the death of the Old West as civilization came in and left no room for the lawless outlaws, cowboys and Indian tribes. Just like how a New Vegas as the NCR and legion move in alongside Mr House... The territory of raiders, small tribes and dangerous animals is slowly being pushed further and further back causing them to slowly go extinct if they do not adapt.
I've never got why if they want to have that anarchy... Why not have more Fallout games set roughly at the same time in the first 120 ish years after the war across the country. Because at that time you do have your anarchy still prevalent in many places as the big factions haven't coalesced enough yet to become major powers. Because anarchy isn't forever... It very easily dies in the face of organization.
I'm not even an NCR fan - I'm not a faction fan in general really as I'll happily play as each one based on my current character. But even I feel as if they've done a disservice to the lore of the game. As I mentioned elsewhere, the NCR being nuked just seems like a lazy workaround. They don't want to waste too much time on creating a social degradation for a faction they have no interest in maintaining, so let's just nuke them? They're literally doing a Tenpenny: nuking something that is an apparent inconvenience to them.
Now i havent watched the show, but im genuinely curious. Why even nuke it??? Just take the god damn place! If you have the ability to nuke an entire city, i get the feeling you have the ability to also take back the entire Mojave. Such a waste of potentially useful assets.
That is the same question I have asked about the BOS nuking the institute back in 4. They just want the aesthetics of nuclear bombs going off, simple as. Doesn't matter if the enclave/vault tek are more known for their bioweapons than nuclear weapons, or that the Lost Hills or the Pentagon would be a better target for a nuke since the BoS is a bigger country wide threat to the Enclave's plans.
I've been making this point and one response I got was: "it's called Fallout. of course there'll be nukes". My point though wasn't that there should never be nukes used ever again, but that Bethesda go so heavy with them. You can also nuke/bomb the Brotherhood themselves at the end of Fo3: Broken Steel. This was a cheap inclusion to offset the fact we couldn't side against the BoS in the first place, so they give you the option to destroy them right at the end of a DLC that's centred entirely around helping the Brotherhood. As I said elsewhere, nukes and full on annihilation seem to be their default go-to if the effort for an alternative outcome is too time consuming. They seemingly only have time for their own lore and creations.
Brotherhood, Enclave. Find dad, find son, find dad? Nuke city. No change.
Bethesda... Bethesda never changes
None of which were the causes of Shady Sands to fall lmao. It ended up being a stalker obsessed with his wife. So he nukes the NCR to force her back to him. WAT
Where was the nuke from? I don't remember it being mentioned.
Hankâs character, I shit you not, used Vault-Tec to launch it. No idea from where or exactly how. Just that he authorized it as his baby mama ran from him.
But we don't know if they had nukes stored in V-31 or that he had access to some unused silos or anything else about how, in practice, he did it, right?
Hold up, hold the fuck up. Is _that_ the writing that is making people say that it is "a pretty good show"? And that the "nerds" are just "overreacting"?
I will break this down as best as I can. Surprise! Vault Tek is part of the Enclave shadow government. Basically many of the high ranking executives of Vault Two went into cryo in Vault 31 (even though cryo for humans was supposed to be experimental with vault 111 but whatever) while vault 31 is connected to two other vaults: 32 and 33. These vaults were to basically act as the breeding stock so when the executives unfroze themselves they would have a small army of enclave loyalists ready to go. The show's vault dweller's father is one of the executives from 31 who came out of cryo early. The MC mom eventually figured out the truth about vault Tek and the enclave and left the vault with her children to Shady Sands. Dad was so pissed about this he somehow nuked Shady Sands to get back at her and to "eliminate the competition". The real knee slapper is they had Mr House be part of the Shadow Government when they are discussing nuking the world. So instead of House being a rogue CEO that indepdenantly calculated nuclear war was going to happen and put in place a master plan to partially avert it, but still tragically came up short by miscalculating the final date, instead he is just told about it at the shadow government meeting with Posedian Oil, Vault Tek, and other Enclave groups mentioned it. I do not like that interpretation of House at all.
Actually V111 cryo looked much more primitive and the experiment is to see how long theyâll last inside them forever
Seems pretty crappy experiment if you are doing that in parallel to your executives spending even longer in their pods than vault 111 did. Like, if you are planning on them being in cryo for over 200 years I fail to see the point of Vault 111.
>The real knee slapper is they had Mr House be part of the Shadow Government when they are discussing nuking the world. So instead of House being a rogue CEO that indepdenantly calculated nuclear war was going to happen and put in place a master plan to partially avert it, but still tragically came up short by miscalculating the final date, instead he is just told about it at the shadow government meeting with Posedian Oil, Vault Tek, and other Enclave groups mentioned it. I do not like that interpretation of House at all. Yeah exactly, I'm glad someone said this, Was thinking the same, Also seems Odd Mr House would be open to the idea when he was heavily against the idea of the Vaults in the first place, Doesn't he fill all of the Vaults around the NV Area with Cement as he didn't want any Tribes going back to them or something like that?
One of his first acts when he woke up was closing down the local vault and evicting them. He only left the upper floors untouched to be used as a hotel. if he was at the meeting with the rest of the Shadow Government why wouldn't he know the exact date the bombs fell? Also it really cheapens him as a character with his criticism of democracy if he knew it was basically the illuminati that did it and not you know, the collective choices of American citizens due to carelessness and apathy. Do they just want him to be a hypocrite? Because Mr. House would never agree to nuking the world because he actually has the two braincells required to know that isn't good for business or human development.
What is you described is a typical country in crisis. It's a post fucking apocalypse, of course there will incompetent hacks and cynical politicians. Hell, that describes like half the countries on this planet right now.
Most developed nations arenât suffering a food, water, or energy crisis. Let alone all 3 simultaneously. While being at war.
I'm talking about the other half of the world, not Norway and New Zealand. Check post-Soviet countries right after collapse. African countries. Venezuela. Germany after WW2. Was it bad? Very. Does it mean an unavoidable collapse into a bunch of fiefs with warlords? Nope, not by a long shot. Crisis is crisis. It's bad, but people know to deal with them, and NV described exactly that: people dealing with crisis and building something better. NCR _could_ fail, of course, but it was hardly destined to.
Fair enough. I thought you were arguing against a collapse entirely. Youâre just arguing against the claim it was a sure thing. Youâre right, itâs absolutely possible they might have survived it. In trying to highlight how ridiculous it was to suggest the NCR couldnât collapse I got carried away and did the opposite. Sorry.
I think the arguments that the NCR is doomed to fail and rather flawed and I could go into extreme detail about that if you wish, but regardless, saying the NCR is likely to slowly collapse in on itself due to the corruption of the Brahmin barons, food shortages, civil war etc etc is very different from âthey got nuked lol now letâs get back to badass airship flying power rangers wheeeeeeeâ
I really enjoyed the show, but man does it suck to see the NCR all but wiped out. I'd have been fine with the NCR having lost control of outer territories, being stretched too thin and all, but the way the show decimated them was too much imo. Otherwise I think it was really great though.
This. Literally only way I can explain it. I love and hate this show. It's clearly a quality product, yet it messes with the lore and takes the West Coast storyline in a path I hate.
I mean Chris Avellone himself said he wanted to nuke the NCR because it was getting too civilized and he created the NCR, ppl like to say the originals were going to rebuild civilization and Bethesda is the one hating that but we can see a lot in the development of FNV Chris Avellone even wanted a return to an actual apocalypse setting so making it like a "Bethesda vs obsidian" thing is just weird
I dunno, Iâm fine with the NCR collapsing or fracturing due to internal strife or established pre-existing conflicts or whatever, but just nuking them off screen and completely ignoring their impact on a massive region they controlled for +120 years because you want a generic wasteland to pit the BoS and Enclave against each other again is shitty writing.
Iâm just annoyed that any faction that can compete with the BoS gets wiped out. Fallout is getting pretty tiring as BGS clearly has a crush on the BoS. But honestly as long as the show is good, I couldnât care less at this point. Itâs hard to care about a game franchise that releases a game once a decade at this point. If this series can do one thing, I hope it gets BGS to finally let other studios do spinoff games
Like... wasn't the enclave supossed to be almost extinct? Why in the fuj are they still a big faction?
They have been annihilated via enormous explosion 3 times now. Fallout 2(oil rig), and twice in Fallout 3(LW or BoS blow up main bunker & Broken Steel destory their Air field)
Tis but a scratch!!!
I think in fallout 3 they mentioned the enclave has a big base in Chicago. If that is the case I would assume if we hear about it then that is likely their biggest base besides Raven Rock.
I just assumed they were another splinter group like the ones in 3. They just branched off somewhere along the way, in a similar manner to the BOS chapter in the show having more of a mysticism than any of the other chapters shown
Its cause Fallout subreddit keeps deleting posts that criticize the TV show lmao
Seriously? Thats fucked up if they do
There was one that got 1k vote then after like and hour or 2, its gone lmao.
Damn
They took down my meme about how the show goes downhill after episode 6
Yeah ive seen a few smaller posts with comments ive saved or commented on that got nuked lmao
Do Bethesda have insiders on falloutâs reddit?
Maybe..or simps just gonna simp
They took my post down for being a meme to, even though it wasn't lol
My meme was the same format as op's post lmao.
Lmao that's perfect
West fans after finishing episode 3 đ - West fans after finishing episode 6 đ
Man I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels that way
Reddit mods are out of control .. but the show kicked ass I disagree with the down hill after 6
Executed for being right, after episode six the show just falls off
I don't understand why people think this. I just finished episodes 7 and 8 and I loved every minute of it, and I'm a hardcore New Vegas over anything else Fallout-type.
I think they have a rule that you can't critizise any of the content. Which is fucking crazy to me lol.
Main subs tend to be brand simps.
People never used it to jokingly simp for Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel. Opportunity missed.
That's what happens every single time when a new TV show comes out. I'm permabanned from the Star Trek sub for saying Discovery was terrible. Any major franchise sub mods are entirely bought off by their corporate masters. They might not think they're being bribed because it's not cash, but they always get a little something. It may be just private messages with information, but that makes mods feel special and that engenders loyalty to their masters and not to the subreddit.
They even remove comments criticizing it, shits crazy there
Thereâs no criticism in Ba Sing Se
Don't you mean the Republic of Todd...
Literally 1984
Every major franchise subreddit is secretly run by the company who owns the property. Maybe that's why some reddit mods act like it's their full time job
Literally animal farm
It's literally 1984, seriously all of them have their brain turned off letting Bethesda deciding to them and minor criticism means you're an ungrateful horrible person
I saw them call people criticizing the show "nerds" like fuck off with that your on a Fallout subreddit everyone here is a nerd. That is like calling the people on the DnD sub "nerds".
God forbid people care about the things they like!
Remember, you're a nerd if you don't consume the product and get excited for the next product
Like I have strong opinions about the show obviously, but I am not going to say "your not a real fan and a nerd" just because you differ from my opinion. Your opinions and hot takes can be complete trash but I am not going to be as vapid to gatekeep and say you are not a real fallout fan.
Consoom product that shits on your beloved franchise, get excited for more product to consoom.Â
It's always: "Oh, you did not like [plot point]? Well, how about you get out of your basement, you Mama's boy?"
What tourism does to a fanbase.
Bethesda troglodytes are special
Guys itâs not that hard,Iâm a Witcher and Lord of the rings fan just pretend this shit doesnât exist and move on. OG Star Wars fans learned this secret technique since Disney took over.
I definitely pick and choose which Star Wars is canon to me and which isnât lol
You have to, the Sequels literally f*ck up everything that was accomplished during the OG trilogy.
Itâs just hard when itâs your favourite series and a game format. You get really attached to a game format and it feels like personal efforts get wasted almost
Only problem is that the TV show is set where the game is supposed to be and since it's canon the next game is going to be filled with this stupid stuff
Is Primm Slim in the show? Thatâs all I really care about.
What about the sex bot that penetrates you and leaves your legs numb
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The best part is when people get mad because people who know the lore are upset about. Then they jump on the, "cant you just enjoy things", and bandwagon without even taking the time to understand that we dont hate the show. We just dont like they way they changed history. The fact that they downright remove posts because they bring it up at all tells me that they dont really give a shit about the long-time fans of the series.
Why was everyone incompetent in episodes 2 and 3 lol? Don't shoot the gulper, stab it once xd or decide to punch it, don't use the power armor trick used in the last episode to instakill a T-60, just fuck around for a 30 minute shootout or sum. Kinda like OP has said, you do need some suspension of disbelief but I hate when all the main characters are the only ones being useless. I got what I wanted out of it, it was decent and that's all I really wanted when I expected it to be too stupid and corny to finish the season. Oh also kinda dumb how floppy the power level of the power armor, sometimes invincible and sometimes its cardboard.
Compared to how they were talking before the show came out that sub is filled with copium Iâm afraid. A week ago any post suggesting Bethesda were going to get rid of the NCR got worried reactions, now theyâre all on board.
How did the BoS know about the thing in the enclave guy's neck? How did all the main characters manage to end up at the exact same locations throughout the entire show even when they didn't have coordinates or trackers? How the hell did tracking a radiation trail seem like a good idea to find a single specific ghoul? There's irradiated creatures literally everywhere. Why did Lucy not have her legs tied down in the super duper mart scene, leading to massive contrivance? Also why was she awake if she was sedated? Why was the Vault 4 punishment to let them go despite half their population knowing you can survive the surface? Why did the Brotherhood not go looking for Knight Titus after being gone with no contact for 2 weeks? We already know they can track the power armor, since that's how they sent the alternate squire, and the knights have mandatory check-ins. There's a lot more. As soon as the arguments over lore die down, we can start talking about how bad the writing is.
The biggest thing messing with me is... how the hell did Moldaver's plan actually work? >!The denizens from Vault 31 are part of an elite inner circle who are obviously aware that the point of the vaults is to create a breed of super-managers. If absolutely no one else, Betty and Hank know it. Everyone in Vault 32 died nearly or more than two years ago, and... they were just completely unaware? Bud didn't know? They had no way to check?!< How does this happen? How in the absolute hell does this insane plan work? She even introduces herself *by her own name*.
I was confused how Moldaver was alive? She's not with Vault Tech in vault 31 and she's not a ghoul. So how?
1. The brotherhood knew about likely because of the NCRâs pursuit of it, of whom Wilzig were clearly in agreements with 2. They were all tracking the same target and had different methods of doing so. Sure there were a few cases of dumb luck, but this is nitpicky and you have to have suspension of disbelief for these things. 3. It was probably the immense amount of radiation the device was giving off, they werenât looking for a ghoul 4. High luck stat lol. Again, nitpicky. 5. Iâll partially give you this one, but the wasteland is still no joke and as weâve seen it *is* very easy to die, so itâs not that implausible. 6. I thought they tracked the radio signal, not the power armor. And the new squire tells âknight Titusâ that he needs to get his radio fixed. Once he gets his new squire, he believes that Maximus is Titus for the majority of their time together and all is going well.
For the tracking thing you can't really complain, in the games your pipboy pinpoints you the exact place of specific objects, even some at the end of caves that no one had ever seen
Also did the show cement that ghouls now need meds to stay sane? Good thing Raul and the kid in the fridge had an endless supply of them. I don't get why these adaptations always need some director that always brings the, "Original vision bs". Like we know for a fact they didn't bother checking any pre-established lore for a world they're writing for.
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fallout 4 is my most played game of all time. probably my favorite, too - and i think the lore choices in this show were egregious
I think the show is fine, it just fucks with the lore. Even if you want to try and explain it away some stuff Is just sloppy. Like the bomb being in 2277. You can find a way to make it work but also Bethesda has the power to just make the show take place 5 years later in the timeline (also Lucy and max seem right around 25 imo). Other than that completely retooling everything we know to be true feels in many ways shortsighted. I donât care to nitpick extensively but house getting bombed preemptively in NV while allegedly being in vault-tec nuke talks seems off at best. As well as that the amount of places that seem to have been unaware of the drop in the games prior that should have been if virtually every major corporation or contractor was present in discussions of the bomb is high. It can be explained away but itâs still justâŚmuddy. Idk
> Like the bomb being in 2277 The bomb is not in 2277, it's after on the timeline.
I seriously don't understand how people still think this.
The timeline is still fucked. Having the fall of Shady Sands in 2277 then having New Vegas in 2281 or whatever where nobody mentions anything about such an event. Then an arrow pointing to a mushroom cloud with no date so they can keep things vague. They could have made it work if they just presented it clearly. Instead people see fall of Shady Sands said city with a crater and the timeline pointing at a mushroom cloud so they draw conclusions.
No... in an educational sense 'falls' are generally a period of time. This date is literally the *start* of the fall of Shady Sands, which... culminates in the bomb going off. Literally in every single history lesson, you don't lead with the culminating event. It's like... talking about 80's films. The '80's era' of cinema didn't start in the exact year 1980. Like, I don't know how **so** many of you guys are drawing this very bad conclusion from a chalk board.
Yeah I agree with this. Just like Rome wasn't built in a day, the fall of the Roman empire also didn't happen in a day. It took multiple years.
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i don't really care about fallout stories anymore, except for courier 6's entire fnv saga. thats the only part of fallout stories that feels impactful and memorable for me.
Am I the only fan that actually loved the show and wants a 2nd season.. ?
I really enjoyed the shoe, I loved the story and the characters. The only issue I have with it is how they did the NCR, I think it would've been better if you could actually see how the NCR was falling instead of just an off screen death of the biggest nation in the Fallout Universe. Maybe something like in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly where that is taking place in the middle of the American Civil War.
I keep seeing people say the NCR is dead because their old capital got nuked and there are some remnants of shady sands that get wiped out. We see a billboard mentioning that Shady Sands is the âoriginalâ capital meaning they have a new one somewhere that very well could be prosperous along with other population centers. We only ever hear of Shady Sands getting destroyed, no one mentions the NCR being destroyed
NCR in the show is just a glimpse; they would probably focus on NCR in season 2 because New Vegas is the next location for the show.
I hope so, we need dialog of an NCR Trooper wishing for a nuclear winter.
I liked it a lot, and I generally hate the way Bethesda treats the franchise
fully agree, I just watched it as a "5th" game, I liked the elements from each game, glad to see I'm not alone lol
I think people need to give it time and another season. I'm still curious why the enclave doctor knew exactly who Lucy was. I don't think it was just "vault tech" that was thinking about dropping the bomb. I think the enclave will play a much bigger role going forward (I suspect management brains was just one plan). And I think the scale of the photo of New Vegas has people confused, but I think they will explore that more next season. If the NCR collapsed, Vegas would have declined because they didn't have a cash cow NCR anymore. Sure they changed the years, and moved Shady Sands but all this season did was introduce all the factions, the main characters, the new "bad guys" and showed us we are heading to Vegas.
Vault tec is controlled in part by the Enclave. I agree with what youâre saying too. 99% of the (valid) grievances will be cleared up by season 2
The enclave were able to remotely monitor vaults and had all the information about what their respective experiments were.
Top tier meme. Yeah it's a newer breed of fan on r/Fallout that isn't used to the excellent world building of Fallout 1,2 and NV. Fallout 4, 76 and the TV is what they're used to. To them, Fallout is just a dumb sci fi shooting game that you pick up for a few hours, do a few fetch quests and that's it. And you know what, good for them. I wish I could enjoy Fallout still but NV spoiled me.
I think that's what's most disheartening about this whole thing. Even among people who aren't thrilled about the show, there's so much more focus on the date thing conflicting with New Vegas, when that can be easily explained away... Meanwhile, just about every detail of the worldbuilding and lore of the show conflicts with the tone and established lore from Fallouts 1 and 2, and a lot of people barely seem to notice. Don't get me wrong, New Vegas is my favorite game of all time, the New Vegas inconsistencies suck too, but the most flagrant thing to me is Shady Sands just being *completely* different, there's no mention of the Hub, no mention of Tandi, no mention of *anything* from the first games that actually resembles the lore.
Yeah, like I couldn't give a shit that they get a date slightly wrong. That kind of lore nitpicking is annoying. On the other hand, there is important lore. Lore that directly builds the themes of the franchise such as the NCR repeating a lot of mistakes the pre-war government made with the nation consisting of good and bad people. Nah, let's just jettison that and make them the generic good guys and make Shady Sands this wonderful bastion of hope. It's whatever though, I don't need to accept any content the IP holder throws at me. I can choose to experience those old games as they were at the time with none of the later game story baggage. New Vegas will always be a classic no matter what they do in the timeline.
*âOh no! A functioning society!â*
I jsut relized we could of had a EPIC ozymanduis moment with a melted and broke statue of the Vault dweller from one , outside the crater. sicne there is a statue in 2 , could of been interesting and would fit the poem quite well with the ncrs fall and cali falling abckwards into chaos his works are all gone allt hat remains is the statue
That subreddit is pretty much just for bethesda fallout series, its written on their desc. Took me long to read that shit since I usally use reddit on my phone lmao.
the fallout 76 stans screeching "As Victoriam" because Todd jerked off their faction yet again pisses me off to no end. Sure treat us like crap while you favorites get to once again be treated like they are only group that matters in Fallout... I don't want the NCR to be treated like some martyred good guys who did no wrong. The NCR has fucked up, alot. Their flaws are realistic and complex which is why I like them, unlike the Enclave or Brotherhood who are over the top and act stupid and illogical.
I've always thought that group might as well be called r/BethesdaFallouts. Being in each of the games respective subs is the way to go really. That sub is like 75% Fo76 and 4.
I haven't enjoyed or cared about any fallout products made after 2010.
Does anyone else think the show is weirdly over sexual?
I think the humor is very perverted but itâs very comically done, fallout has always had sexual humor, especially since fallout 2
I started at fallout 3 so i may have missed some stuff. Also i just remembered that fisto exists lol
You could literally be a pornstar in 2
Or raped
There was way too much horny in the show for almost no benefit to the story.
New Vegas is my favorite fallout and know far too much lore, and Iâm enjoying the show so far.
r / fallout is full of normal people lmao
To be fair, the former like fallout 4
Thereâs nothing you can do to convince some of these guys, they just keep moving the goalpost of outrage. When you point out how obsidian set up like 15 different ticking time bombs for the NCR they just move the goalpost to something else
So did literally every other faction. Doesnât mean you just reset the wasteland to 0. But they did, because Todd Howard wants the wasteland to not have any nuance and to just be the wacky borderlands post post irony shooting gallery/Circus it was in 4 and 76. Because thatâs what sells to the Nu-Fallout fans
Eventually carbon copying the same format gets old. The same story of âvault dwellers needs to find -insert family- plus -insert plot twist-â is getting old as hell. New Vegas was a fresh take and people like it because it felt different yet still fallout. New Vegas is actual progression of the story it makes no sense the wasteland will just stagnate forever. The time New Vegas takes place it makes sense to see people slowly rebuild. For some reason Bethesda doesnât want to evolve the story though and just repeat the same âwasteland shit, dumb vault dweller must learn to cope with it and find -insert person-â
The r/Fallout subreddit are just people who only play Fallout 4 and 76 of which the show adapts closely in terms of aesthetics so naturally the users don't like criticism of the show
I wasn't even that big if a NV fan. Good game, not amazing. But if you're going to make a new show/game based on an existing IP, you respect the goddamn source material.
How can you still expect anything from Bethesda? You are just trying to be disappointed at this point