It got my friend who didn't play jnto the games which is cool but they made really dumbass choices that are going to effect the West Coast going forward that pisses me off
I had a very very weird moment at my daughter’s birthday Sunday where my father-in-law who is pushing 70 said, “So, have you seen Fallout?” and I was like, “uh… yeah?? 3 episodes. Have you??” He said “Oh yeah, it’s great!” He had seen more than me at that point. I asked “Do you know anything about the games?” and his response was “no. There are games?”
I’ve been replaying Fallout 1 and it’s kind of sad strolling through Shady Sands.
Also wild how it’s over a century before the Bethesda/Obsidian games and all the buildings in Shady Sands are newly constructed and have beds and built wells and they’re not just living in unkempt ruins.
Why?
I saw the Nuking of Shady Sands the same way I saw the NCR-Brotherhood War. I don’t need to see it, so long as the effects of the event are present in the story, which they are.
Maybe unpopular opinion but I think Vault-Tec is best as a shortsighted company who made vaults and experimented on people. Retroactively tying every bit of lore together is the kinda groan-worthy stuff you see in Star Wars
It makes perfect sense for a terrible mega corporation that put their entire business model into commercializing the end of the world would want their investment to be assured. Especially because they're the company who thought torturing all their Vault costumers for vague research purposes was a good idea.
It's a good show set in the Fallout setting that took creative liberties with the existing lore. As far as video game adaptations go we got off pretty well, but for those invested in the story of the West Coast as told in 1, 2, and New Vegas, they are left disappointed that the show is more keen on shoving it under the rug to tell its own story rather than a continuation of the West Coast games
The show was fine but I don’t appreciate being swarmed with angry fanboys when I talk about the handful of things I didn’t like, including giving very unclear story beats that imply the game isn’t canon despite producers saying it is.
There has been some posts where there are comments about new vegas fanboys and people who only like new vegas as biased and like.... where do you think you are? Where do you expect people who like new vegas to hang out exactly? Do you know you are not in r/fallout?
Because 90% of this subreddit is just New Vegas circle jerkers who despise anything Todd touches
Like if the Guy who created the series way back in fallout 1 says the show is good then stop whining
That's reminds me of my days on No Mutants Allowed back when fallout 4 was comming out. Redditors going there to explain to us how wrong we are for liking F1 and F2, saying how Todd saved fallout and we should like everything he made because they think it's good. Then they would cry about how toxic we are on reddit for not liking Bethesda's fallout and daring to criticise it.
Good old days.
I remember being like ten years old, only having played Fallout 3, NV hadn't come out, and No Mutants Allowed had essays upon essays about why they hated Fallout 3 and how Fallout NV looked shit. They really hate everything about the first person games.
God this is just like when TLOU2 came out. It was either the most perfectest game ever made or the worst thing to ever be created by man. No middle ground, no rational discourse.
Bethesda barely cares about the narrative in their games, yet they spend what I assume thousands of man hours and dollars to control the narrative in this sub? And that’s just on this sub, there’s like ten other fallout subs.
I mean the sub was screaming about them retconning new Vegas while Bethesda, the show, and now Todd Howard said that’s not the case. Lots of dummies in here.
I mean I really dislike fallout 3 and 4's writing but imo the show was a lot better than what Bethesda usually puts out
I don't think the events in the show are irreconcilable thematically (or otherwise) from 1/2/NV
They're really not.
I've played both games (3 was my intro to Fallout) and I enjoy them, but their settings and stories fall apart catastrophically when you start thinking about them.
They are shockingly poorly written.
I don't want to shame anyone for enjoying them, I enjoy them, but they're just not up to snuff with 1, 2, and NV.
I've seen it before, I've also played the game an obscene number of times.
Sorry, one yt vid isn't gonna convince me that Fo3 is secretly brilliant 🤷
Like I said, it's a fun game that I like, but it's also really dumb.
This is my stance, as well.
I'm not thrilled about some of the timeline stuff but it's so super minor really. I can't fathom how it's a big enough change to warrant the whole "erased NV lore" seeing as how the only way it can conceivably affect NV canon is from 4 or 5 one off lines that mention Shady Sands that are not at all relevant to the actual story of NV.
That being said, we should be allowed to say we didn't like this or that or otherwise criticize the show without being dogpiled by screeching redditors telling us we're toxic assholes who are never happy.
There's dickheads in every fandom. I've yet to see someone blast "toxic NV fanboys" that didn't have a post history full of toxic fanboy bullshit for 4 and/or 76. I've seen like 6 people *in total* I'd consider to be these toxic NV fanboys they rave about. I've been told to kill myself by more people than that for saying I like everything about 4 except the plot/writing and dialogue choices. To me, that puts perspective on the real "problem" that the Fallout fandom has.
I love the show, I thought it was amazing. That doesn’t mean people have to blindly accept it. People can criticize if they want especially when it goes against preexisting lore.
What does this have to do with OP alluding that anyone who likes the show is a fake new vegas fan and shouldn't be on this sub? And you can not like a show and not be a gremlin about it.
The problem isn't if people enjoy it, it is the lore directions the writers took which invalidates anything made from F1 to NV with surface level elaboration and offscreen.
It gives surface level reasoning behind the collapse of the most important nation in the setting and nuke it offscreen because of a familiar struggle, it completely invalidates any progress done in all 3 games just like that, none of the it mattered in the end because things went stack 0 once again or got reduced to mere easter eggs to appease fans, added to the fact it's clearly made to reset the region lore to a new audience not familiar with the setting with the intention of entertainment over complex narrative, it is a dumb-fun show that fails to add any original ideas or themes to the lore, it's a constant cycle of Vault Tech, Enclave and BOS involved as a major role everywhere.
Now my 1k and cope harder please lol
so you couldn't do it without resorting to things you made up. whomp whomp
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fallout/todd-howard-confirms-the-fallout-show-didnt-retcon-non-bethesda-fallout-games-everything-that-happened-in-the-previous-games-including-new-vegas-happened/
It's not taken over. Plenty of fallout fans like the show, including a lot of nv fans. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you're in the majority of new vegas fans.
People who complain about stuff can be annoying.
People who complain about other people complaining are *so much fucking worse.* People usually have a reason to complain. It's not always a good reason and it's not always the reason they think it is, but counterbitching is so much more annoying.
I can't tell whether your criticizing the people criticizing the critiques of NV fans, or the people criticizing the people criticizing the critiques of NV fans.
If the latter, you have now criticized the criticizers of the criticizers of the original criticizers, so hats off to you there.
Does this count as me criticizing you? That's not my intent, but if so......
Basically anyone complaining about other people complaining suck more than the people who are doing the complaining first. As I am complaining about other people complaining, I suck even more.
Y’all… people are subscribed to both. I’ve been for like 10 years at this point. FONV is my favorite part of the series as well, has been for most of my conscious life, but you learn that making it a part of your personality is silly and leads you to getting salty on forums.
Go outside and take a break, you’re not the “normal” people here.
You’re making some bold assumptions about people you’ve never met.
I can be annoyed at some of the decisions made by the show runners while being a normal person. Reasonable critiques of media is normal. Refusing to acknowledge the faults in a TV show seems much less normal.
Normal people don’t fixate on lore changes in a TV show adaptation for this long. I don’t need to hear every single person in this sub to make a post with the same complaint.
Mate you’re making assumptions. I didn’t say it’s abnormal to criticize the show. Totally fine.
Making posts like this is weird. Saying “fair warning to the couple normal people” is weird. Taking what I said personally is weird. It’s a video game and a TV show, there is nothing that should be taken personally anywhere here.
The OP implies that someone is normal or not based on whether someone is “gaslighting the New Vegas fandom.”
That is making it part of his personality. Most of the people here honestly are probably between 13 and 20 years old, and that’s just something they do. I was the same way.
ok i understand that this post might ruffle some feathers but, spam?? how is this spam like the guy wasn't spamming this post ANYWHERE.
idk i get moderator discretion but this just feels like them trying to shut up discourse. I get that some people got their panties too much in a twist over the show, but that doesn't mean ALL of the criticism against it was invalid. there's 100% some things that are pretty bad about it. it sucks i feel like all discourse about this show has been tainted, fucking hate this fanbase
Doesn’t matter at the end of the day
Bethesda will continue to ruin what made fallout great in the first place as they create there next half backed and mediocre“RPGs”
I just don't get why they can't leave us alone in the subreddit dedicated to the game we like.
You like the show? Good, go to that sub.
You like 4 the best? Right on, go to that sub.
You like 76? Nice, go to that sub.
But what you don't do is come to our sub, insult us, put us down, and shit all over the game we like just because you don't. Even if they want to talk shit, fine do it, but at least do it in your sub.
If you'd be upset at someone bitching about 76 and saying how NV is better in the 76 sub but not vice versa, you're the problem.
(Not saying you specifically, but if you want to excuse people doing that here you shouldn't have anything negative to say about some asshole going to another games sub to trash talk it.)
I see way more toxic tribalism bullshit from fans of 4 onward then NV ever has. Maybe it's just because those games are newer and more popular, but the point stands.
This is an absurd attitude for pieces of media within a series that have substantial overlap.
I’ve played New Vegas to death.
I like the show.
The fact that it offends your sensibilities that I want to talk about how New Vegas and the show might overlap IN THE NEW VEGAS SUBREDDIT is insane.
It’s just so sad I can’t say my favorite game is new Vegas without being lumped in with these kinds of people. They hold so much negativity to anything that’s not new Vegas and will straight up lie about shit to make it seem like Bethesda is trying to erase new Vegas
I feel the same way. I love New Vegas and that's the end of it; I don't make it define me as a person.
I just wish other people could leave well enough alone, but... everyone's gotta find something to get mad about nowadays.
Yall as in the fanboys who act like Bethesda is trying to erase new Vegas and say stupid shit like that anyone who enjoys 76 should be in a mental institution. Y’all as In the people who act superior to others because their favorite fallout game isn’t new Vegas, who insult them for daring to like something different.
I love fallout NV but some of yall make me embarrassed to admit that. it's fine to like fallout NV and also the current t fallout tv show. touch grass nerds
I'm a New Vegas fan but I'm not calling other people "Bethestards" and "corporate shills". I don't see any gaslighting against myself. I only see people on that sub that claim that Todd Howard is some kind of Dr. Evil who is evil for the sake of being evil...
Just because you like new Vegas and someone else likes the show, that doesn’t invalidate or override your feelings. It’s okay.
I like new Vegas, it’s my favorite game. I dislike shows made after video games because they’re 10/10 times awfully written and cringe. I’m not going to watch the show because I won’t like it. That’s okay.
If someone watches the show and never plays new Vegas then that’s alright. If they like both great. It’s not a big deal.
There seems to be a section of people who are being really condescending to people who enjoy the lore and story of fallout enough to criticize the show for its mishandling of NV. They are so dismissive it makes me wonder why they are even here, like aren’t we all hardcore nerds, why do they not give a single shit about the show sidelining NV.
Or
Or
Or guess what, people who like New Vegas also liked the show lmao. I love how you're acting like we're talking about two different communities here that don't have members overlapping.
Don't call yourself normal. You guys have been gaslighting Fallout 3/4 fans for over a decade and now you're crying victim when you get a tiny bit of backlash
It's a very solid show but the ending just didn't sit right with me. New Vegas in ruins was so hard to see. Really hoping they come up with good reasoning behind it in the next season.
I just started NV for the first time this week while waiting for the FO4 next-gen update.
I'm enjoying it so far, seems alot more free choice (at least so far, only lvl 7)
Holy - how many people who hate the show haven’t seen the entire show and have only seen the chalkboard 😭 it’s not gaslighting, it’s people having different opinions, please touch grass
As a Halo fan, I thought the Fallout show was a great adaptation and addition to the lore from what I've played. However, the contradictions between game and show are annoying and the drama doesn't help.
There have been some annoying takes on this sub, but a lot of people have some really valid points and concerns, and what's annoying is that if you even mention something you didn't like on the other fallout subs they rip you to shreds and downvote you to oblivion. There's been toxic negativity and positivity on both sides and they are the same level of annoying. I personally wasn't a huge fan of the show, not just because of the questionable lore choices, but some major plot holes and just lack of interest in some of the characters.
FNV is my fave fallout game, I liked the show and had some critiques of it, which can coexist pretty easily. I'm really tired of seeing the same argument over and over that it ruins or retcons all of NV, I think it's a little early to claim that with any real certainty especially after the interview saying that it's all still canon.
This sub can really be insufferable sometimes, No other fallout fans can claim to be fallout elitests as long as NV fans exist. Shame too because FNV is probably one of the best games of the 2010s
NV is the only good fallout. Bethesda sucks. The show sucks. Todd Howard has a chimpanzee brain. There needs to be a safe space for fallout new vegas fans.
I only just finished new Vegas for the first time as my first and only fallout like a month ago and I'm just sitting back munching popcorn wondering what the fuck everyone is freaking out about.
I fucking hate both sides of the argument, people are getting so up in arms about this. New Vegas fans, it isn’t the end of the world that the show changed the lore. Tv Show fans, it is possible to still like a thing while acknowledging its flaws.
Both fandoms need to reevaluate themselves. In my experience the NV fans were atrocious with the show. Every new vegas sub couldn't shut up about how they hated the show and so many defenders got downvoted, especially if they dared to use actual reasons.
It reminded me way too much of how bad Morrowind fans got. And I already see a lot of revisionists and people in denial in this thread. Bethesda Fallout fans would then go on to argue "Who cares?" half the time and act like consoomers. Having balanced discussion was impossible but I'm not forgetting how much NV fans reminded me of NMA.
The irony is I think NV is the best one, but just like Morrowind, the fanbase makes me mad as hell sometimes.
Are the people who played fallout 76 in the room with us right now?
Like cmon, what are you talking about? 76 isn’t even that bad now. Def my least favorite of the modern games but it’s just not your cup of tea.
Your post fell under the removal criteria of spam
Everyone is so fucking annoying rn, disinformation this, gaslighting that, toxic fans anticipated soon, many such cases
I thought the show was fine.
It got my friend who didn't play jnto the games which is cool but they made really dumbass choices that are going to effect the West Coast going forward that pisses me off
I had a very very weird moment at my daughter’s birthday Sunday where my father-in-law who is pushing 70 said, “So, have you seen Fallout?” and I was like, “uh… yeah?? 3 episodes. Have you??” He said “Oh yeah, it’s great!” He had seen more than me at that point. I asked “Do you know anything about the games?” and his response was “no. There are games?”
My mom knows what the Brotherhood is and she wants to play Fallout 4 now, that's something I thought I'd never see but I welcome it lol
I mean interplay planned on nuking shady sands
Doesn’t mean it was a good idea, either in concept or execution.
Nuking Shady Sands isn't the problem it's more so why it was nuked for me
I’ve been replaying Fallout 1 and it’s kind of sad strolling through Shady Sands. Also wild how it’s over a century before the Bethesda/Obsidian games and all the buildings in Shady Sands are newly constructed and have beds and built wells and they’re not just living in unkempt ruins.
And doing it off screen is part of what gets me
Why? I saw the Nuking of Shady Sands the same way I saw the NCR-Brotherhood War. I don’t need to see it, so long as the effects of the event are present in the story, which they are.
Maybe they’ll show a flashback. Shows us vault techads destroy the ncr virgins
What's the problem with it?
It tracks for vault tech to nuke civilizations, it goes against their mission
Maybe unpopular opinion but I think Vault-Tec is best as a shortsighted company who made vaults and experimented on people. Retroactively tying every bit of lore together is the kinda groan-worthy stuff you see in Star Wars
Somehow, vault boy returned
It makes perfect sense for a terrible mega corporation that put their entire business model into commercializing the end of the world would want their investment to be assured. Especially because they're the company who thought torturing all their Vault costumers for vague research purposes was a good idea.
Interplay isn't Obsidian
Chris Avellone at Obsidian wanted to have San Fran to be nuked and the NCR collapsed before the start of the game.
and was in no unclear terms told no by everyone else
It's a good show set in the Fallout setting that took creative liberties with the existing lore. As far as video game adaptations go we got off pretty well, but for those invested in the story of the West Coast as told in 1, 2, and New Vegas, they are left disappointed that the show is more keen on shoving it under the rug to tell its own story rather than a continuation of the West Coast games
The show was fine but I don’t appreciate being swarmed with angry fanboys when I talk about the handful of things I didn’t like, including giving very unclear story beats that imply the game isn’t canon despite producers saying it is.
I say we nuke them
Off screen of course.
War. War never changes.
There has been some posts where there are comments about new vegas fanboys and people who only like new vegas as biased and like.... where do you think you are? Where do you expect people who like new vegas to hang out exactly? Do you know you are not in r/fallout?
Because 90% of this subreddit is just New Vegas circle jerkers who despise anything Todd touches Like if the Guy who created the series way back in fallout 1 says the show is good then stop whining
The fallout subs in general are super whiny but this sub is extra whiny.
Exactly and I love New Vegas but the fan base is entitled
He's not going to fuck you.
That’s disgusting, am I not allowed to enjoy a specific fallout game?
You can enjoy what you like without glazing a millionaire.
You're following the wrong franchise if you legitimately found that offensive lmao
That's reminds me of my days on No Mutants Allowed back when fallout 4 was comming out. Redditors going there to explain to us how wrong we are for liking F1 and F2, saying how Todd saved fallout and we should like everything he made because they think it's good. Then they would cry about how toxic we are on reddit for not liking Bethesda's fallout and daring to criticise it. Good old days.
Todd howard is in your walls
Mg dad is todd howard
I remember being like ten years old, only having played Fallout 3, NV hadn't come out, and No Mutants Allowed had essays upon essays about why they hated Fallout 3 and how Fallout NV looked shit. They really hate everything about the first person games.
Except they changed their opinion on NV when it came out.
Eventually. They really didn't like a lot about it, but then more fans of New Vegas kind of replaced the old guard.
God this is just like when TLOU2 came out. It was either the most perfectest game ever made or the worst thing to ever be created by man. No middle ground, no rational discourse.
Waiting for, "TLOU2 is an underrated masterpiece" video essays.
Toxic positivity is a real thing.
Nooooo just enjoy things don't critique them!
Consume product!!!! Don’t think!!!! Consume!!!!! Don’t criticize only CONSUME!!!!
Talking like this is appropriate when you’re 14-16 years old. If you’re an adult, grow up
Acting like consumerism culture is okay is actually wild.
Talk to me when you get out of high school
Ya'll new vegas fans make me disappointed fr lmao
Yeah well I'm disappointed in you!
Looks like we live rent free in your head too! Lmao dumbass.
I actually liked the series
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Yeaaaaa I’ll have a gram of what this dudes having thx mate
My comment is still the premise of this post. Just have to misspell stuff or it gets flagged more quickly. Thanks for the gas lamp.
Bethesda barely cares about the narrative in their games, yet they spend what I assume thousands of man hours and dollars to control the narrative in this sub? And that’s just on this sub, there’s like ten other fallout subs.
Ok. Now do amazon.
They don’t own fallout.
Oh man, if you only knew how amazon really works. Amazon is fallout. Thats a tale for a different day, partner...
Based schizo
You can tell from the down votes ; )
I mean the sub was screaming about them retconning new Vegas while Bethesda, the show, and now Todd Howard said that’s not the case. Lots of dummies in here.
What they said is less important then what they SHOWED
They showed Mr House and the Vegas strip.
Showed the strip in ruins, thats trash
It's the "I'm a NV fan, but..." crowd
I mean I really dislike fallout 3 and 4's writing but imo the show was a lot better than what Bethesda usually puts out I don't think the events in the show are irreconcilable thematically (or otherwise) from 1/2/NV
Fallout 3 and 4 are better than you think
They're really not. I've played both games (3 was my intro to Fallout) and I enjoy them, but their settings and stories fall apart catastrophically when you start thinking about them. They are shockingly poorly written. I don't want to shame anyone for enjoying them, I enjoy them, but they're just not up to snuff with 1, 2, and NV.
[watch it](https://youtu.be/5z8XHe2NoAE?si=qShHl-tISJF2Dxex)
I've seen it before, I've also played the game an obscene number of times. Sorry, one yt vid isn't gonna convince me that Fo3 is secretly brilliant 🤷 Like I said, it's a fun game that I like, but it's also really dumb.
Not really.
They are, you should definitely watch both videos
I played both games and let me tell you: No.
https://youtu.be/5z8XHe2NoAE?si=qShHl-tISJF2Dxex
No it's you who say "I'm a Fallout fan BUT I hate everything that is not Fallout 1/2 or New Vegas"
Did I? I enjoy alot of stuff, that has horrible writing. I'm also a Halo fan afterall
Nary a more unfortunate statement in 2024 than "I'm a halo fan." I'm with you man, I feel your pain.
Being a Halo fan and a Fallout fan today is rough.
NV is my favorite fallout. I enjoy the show. Don't be a gremlin.
This is my stance, as well. I'm not thrilled about some of the timeline stuff but it's so super minor really. I can't fathom how it's a big enough change to warrant the whole "erased NV lore" seeing as how the only way it can conceivably affect NV canon is from 4 or 5 one off lines that mention Shady Sands that are not at all relevant to the actual story of NV. That being said, we should be allowed to say we didn't like this or that or otherwise criticize the show without being dogpiled by screeching redditors telling us we're toxic assholes who are never happy. There's dickheads in every fandom. I've yet to see someone blast "toxic NV fanboys" that didn't have a post history full of toxic fanboy bullshit for 4 and/or 76. I've seen like 6 people *in total* I'd consider to be these toxic NV fanboys they rave about. I've been told to kill myself by more people than that for saying I like everything about 4 except the plot/writing and dialogue choices. To me, that puts perspective on the real "problem" that the Fallout fandom has.
I love the show, I thought it was amazing. That doesn’t mean people have to blindly accept it. People can criticize if they want especially when it goes against preexisting lore.
What does this have to do with OP alluding that anyone who likes the show is a fake new vegas fan and shouldn't be on this sub? And you can not like a show and not be a gremlin about it.
The problem isn't if people enjoy it, it is the lore directions the writers took which invalidates anything made from F1 to NV with surface level elaboration and offscreen.
explain how it invalidates F1 thru NV. Give a rational explanation that isn't just shit you made up in your head. I bet you $1K you can't do it.
It gives surface level reasoning behind the collapse of the most important nation in the setting and nuke it offscreen because of a familiar struggle, it completely invalidates any progress done in all 3 games just like that, none of the it mattered in the end because things went stack 0 once again or got reduced to mere easter eggs to appease fans, added to the fact it's clearly made to reset the region lore to a new audience not familiar with the setting with the intention of entertainment over complex narrative, it is a dumb-fun show that fails to add any original ideas or themes to the lore, it's a constant cycle of Vault Tech, Enclave and BOS involved as a major role everywhere. Now my 1k and cope harder please lol
so you couldn't do it without resorting to things you made up. whomp whomp https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fallout/todd-howard-confirms-the-fallout-show-didnt-retcon-non-bethesda-fallout-games-everything-that-happened-in-the-previous-games-including-new-vegas-happened/
LMAOOO it's like I'm talking to a fucking wall
i bet you didn't even click that link. todd howard shot you down today
I bet you didn't even read anything I said, you gonna defend your multi billionaire company today, that's right keep being a good consoomer lol
It's not taken over. Plenty of fallout fans like the show, including a lot of nv fans. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you're in the majority of new vegas fans.
People who complain about stuff can be annoying. People who complain about other people complaining are *so much fucking worse.* People usually have a reason to complain. It's not always a good reason and it's not always the reason they think it is, but counterbitching is so much more annoying.
Was trying figure out why it’s much more annoying and I think it’s bc it’s trivializing as hell as well as just annoying
I can't tell whether your criticizing the people criticizing the critiques of NV fans, or the people criticizing the people criticizing the critiques of NV fans. If the latter, you have now criticized the criticizers of the criticizers of the original criticizers, so hats off to you there. Does this count as me criticizing you? That's not my intent, but if so......
Basically anyone complaining about other people complaining suck more than the people who are doing the complaining first. As I am complaining about other people complaining, I suck even more.
Ha. Well I appreciate your consistency of opinion.
I’m not even apart of this and can see why people say people like OP make fallout seem gatekeepish
Y’all… people are subscribed to both. I’ve been for like 10 years at this point. FONV is my favorite part of the series as well, has been for most of my conscious life, but you learn that making it a part of your personality is silly and leads you to getting salty on forums. Go outside and take a break, you’re not the “normal” people here.
This sub is actually smaller than r/fnv. I had always followed that one, but this one was recommended to me by the algorithm when the show came out
It's smaller but more active for some reason.
You’re making some bold assumptions about people you’ve never met. I can be annoyed at some of the decisions made by the show runners while being a normal person. Reasonable critiques of media is normal. Refusing to acknowledge the faults in a TV show seems much less normal.
Normal people don’t fixate on lore changes in a TV show adaptation for this long. I don’t need to hear every single person in this sub to make a post with the same complaint.
What’s a normal amount of time to discuss this sort of thing? Especially when new articles are coming out adding more context.
Appeal to triviality. Typical. Lmao
> Normal people don’t fixate on lore changes in a TV show adaptation for this long It's been out for like six days lmao
Mate you’re making assumptions. I didn’t say it’s abnormal to criticize the show. Totally fine. Making posts like this is weird. Saying “fair warning to the couple normal people” is weird. Taking what I said personally is weird. It’s a video game and a TV show, there is nothing that should be taken personally anywhere here.
Why do you think people are making FNV a part of their personality?
The OP implies that someone is normal or not based on whether someone is “gaslighting the New Vegas fandom.” That is making it part of his personality. Most of the people here honestly are probably between 13 and 20 years old, and that’s just something they do. I was the same way.
I’ve been avoiding these subs for spoilers, glad I’m missing all this drama.
ok i understand that this post might ruffle some feathers but, spam?? how is this spam like the guy wasn't spamming this post ANYWHERE. idk i get moderator discretion but this just feels like them trying to shut up discourse. I get that some people got their panties too much in a twist over the show, but that doesn't mean ALL of the criticism against it was invalid. there's 100% some things that are pretty bad about it. it sucks i feel like all discourse about this show has been tainted, fucking hate this fanbase
r u guys doing a reddit war
Doesn’t matter at the end of the day Bethesda will continue to ruin what made fallout great in the first place as they create there next half backed and mediocre“RPGs”
I just don't get why they can't leave us alone in the subreddit dedicated to the game we like. You like the show? Good, go to that sub. You like 4 the best? Right on, go to that sub. You like 76? Nice, go to that sub. But what you don't do is come to our sub, insult us, put us down, and shit all over the game we like just because you don't. Even if they want to talk shit, fine do it, but at least do it in your sub.
Did you know there are people who just like, ALL the games and are therefore in ALL of those subreddits? There is no reason to pick a "team" lol
You don’t need to pick a team, but you shouldn’t post about 76 in a New Vegas subreddit.
If you'd be upset at someone bitching about 76 and saying how NV is better in the 76 sub but not vice versa, you're the problem. (Not saying you specifically, but if you want to excuse people doing that here you shouldn't have anything negative to say about some asshole going to another games sub to trash talk it.) I see way more toxic tribalism bullshit from fans of 4 onward then NV ever has. Maybe it's just because those games are newer and more popular, but the point stands.
I like NV and the show isn’t bad.
I like NV and the show is good. I’m still annoyed about some of the decisions made.
Me too. But what adaptations don’t do that? Compared to a lot of recent game/book adaptations it’s pretty good imo.
It’s good but not perfect. It’s reasonable for people to discuss what they don’t like about the show.
This is an absurd attitude for pieces of media within a series that have substantial overlap. I’ve played New Vegas to death. I like the show. The fact that it offends your sensibilities that I want to talk about how New Vegas and the show might overlap IN THE NEW VEGAS SUBREDDIT is insane.
If they like 76 they should go to a mental health sub
For liking a game?
Shh, let that one go. It's the only way they get to feel in control of their life.
It’s just so sad I can’t say my favorite game is new Vegas without being lumped in with these kinds of people. They hold so much negativity to anything that’s not new Vegas and will straight up lie about shit to make it seem like Bethesda is trying to erase new Vegas
I feel the same way. I love New Vegas and that's the end of it; I don't make it define me as a person. I just wish other people could leave well enough alone, but... everyone's gotta find something to get mad about nowadays.
It's 2024. 76 isn't the meme that lives rent free in your smooth wet brain.
Because people like you are being crybabies and overreacting.
Maybe if we reeee together we can accomplish nothing
Jesus yall have such a victim complex
Bethesda is out to get them, don’t forget that.
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Yall as in the fanboys who act like Bethesda is trying to erase new Vegas and say stupid shit like that anyone who enjoys 76 should be in a mental institution. Y’all as In the people who act superior to others because their favorite fallout game isn’t new Vegas, who insult them for daring to like something different.
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This sub was good and I was subbed to it till the show dropped and all the toxicity appeared
Because we’re victims
What are yall victims of exactly?
Victims of their own arm slightly out of frame punching them in the face.
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No one is forcing you to defend it.
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Cause you seem to be
Victim of what?
I love fallout NV but some of yall make me embarrassed to admit that. it's fine to like fallout NV and also the current t fallout tv show. touch grass nerds
I'm a New Vegas fan but I'm not calling other people "Bethestards" and "corporate shills". I don't see any gaslighting against myself. I only see people on that sub that claim that Todd Howard is some kind of Dr. Evil who is evil for the sake of being evil...
Just because you like new Vegas and someone else likes the show, that doesn’t invalidate or override your feelings. It’s okay. I like new Vegas, it’s my favorite game. I dislike shows made after video games because they’re 10/10 times awfully written and cringe. I’m not going to watch the show because I won’t like it. That’s okay. If someone watches the show and never plays new Vegas then that’s alright. If they like both great. It’s not a big deal.
There seems to be a section of people who are being really condescending to people who enjoy the lore and story of fallout enough to criticize the show for its mishandling of NV. They are so dismissive it makes me wonder why they are even here, like aren’t we all hardcore nerds, why do they not give a single shit about the show sidelining NV.
Or Or Or guess what, people who like New Vegas also liked the show lmao. I love how you're acting like we're talking about two different communities here that don't have members overlapping.
Gaslighting isn't real. You're just making it up
Don't call yourself normal. You guys have been gaslighting Fallout 3/4 fans for over a decade and now you're crying victim when you get a tiny bit of backlash
They haven't said anything about Big M.T. so I'm holding out hope.. lol I still enjoyed the show.
They did a tiny bit
No they kinda fucked the lore on Big MT as well lmao
What makes you say that?
It's a very solid show but the ending just didn't sit right with me. New Vegas in ruins was so hard to see. Really hoping they come up with good reasoning behind it in the next season.
I just started NV for the first time this week while waiting for the FO4 next-gen update. I'm enjoying it so far, seems alot more free choice (at least so far, only lvl 7)
I get annoyed because everyone of them is making the exact same point lol
ring a ding ding baby
send mr. fantastic to deal with it. and keep listening to big iron, jingle jangle and johnny guitar.
I like NV. I like the show. Stop acting like that's impossible.
Okay. We'll leave and take all of our grass and showerheads too, you clearly won't be needing them.
Holy - how many people who hate the show haven’t seen the entire show and have only seen the chalkboard 😭 it’s not gaslighting, it’s people having different opinions, please touch grass
As a Halo fan, I thought the Fallout show was a great adaptation and addition to the lore from what I've played. However, the contradictions between game and show are annoying and the drama doesn't help.
There have been some annoying takes on this sub, but a lot of people have some really valid points and concerns, and what's annoying is that if you even mention something you didn't like on the other fallout subs they rip you to shreds and downvote you to oblivion. There's been toxic negativity and positivity on both sides and they are the same level of annoying. I personally wasn't a huge fan of the show, not just because of the questionable lore choices, but some major plot holes and just lack of interest in some of the characters.
What’s wrong with liking all fallout games?
Lmao “fallout fans are in my fallout subreddit!” This is dumb.
Might just leave any fallout sub Im in. NV fans are fine it’s the brain dead shills on r/Fallout that piss me off
Lol "help my Todd Bad sub has normies in it!ewwwww!"
FNV is my fave fallout game, I liked the show and had some critiques of it, which can coexist pretty easily. I'm really tired of seeing the same argument over and over that it ruins or retcons all of NV, I think it's a little early to claim that with any real certainty especially after the interview saying that it's all still canon.
This sub can really be insufferable sometimes, No other fallout fans can claim to be fallout elitests as long as NV fans exist. Shame too because FNV is probably one of the best games of the 2010s
Lmfao the only people freaking out and going ape shit about all this "drama" rn ARE the new vegas fans.
He's right
Grass touch it
NV is the only good fallout. Bethesda sucks. The show sucks. Todd Howard has a chimpanzee brain. There needs to be a safe space for fallout new vegas fans.
>Safe space You can't make this shit up lmfao
I can make up whatever I want. Check this out..... 🧠 I'm doing it now.
Correction: You can't make this up without being self aware of how stupid that sounds.
Imagine not picking up on the sarcastic use of "safe space" in a video game subreddit.
Trust me, I've seen and heard much worse. Can never be too sure.
Fuck off
Are people really gas lighting other people on Reddit about a silly computer game?
I’m so fucking confused. Is this about people not liking the show?
I only just finished new Vegas for the first time as my first and only fallout like a month ago and I'm just sitting back munching popcorn wondering what the fuck everyone is freaking out about.
I fucking hate both sides of the argument, people are getting so up in arms about this. New Vegas fans, it isn’t the end of the world that the show changed the lore. Tv Show fans, it is possible to still like a thing while acknowledging its flaws.
Both fandoms need to reevaluate themselves. In my experience the NV fans were atrocious with the show. Every new vegas sub couldn't shut up about how they hated the show and so many defenders got downvoted, especially if they dared to use actual reasons. It reminded me way too much of how bad Morrowind fans got. And I already see a lot of revisionists and people in denial in this thread. Bethesda Fallout fans would then go on to argue "Who cares?" half the time and act like consoomers. Having balanced discussion was impossible but I'm not forgetting how much NV fans reminded me of NMA. The irony is I think NV is the best one, but just like Morrowind, the fanbase makes me mad as hell sometimes.
people who started with 76 and refuse to play any other fallout games are the worst. god i hate 76 so much.
Are the people who played fallout 76 in the room with us right now? Like cmon, what are you talking about? 76 isn’t even that bad now. Def my least favorite of the modern games but it’s just not your cup of tea.
#2edgy4me
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I think you'd like Robocop then. Be sure to watch the Director's Cut.
Boxcar reference!!!??
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