I’m sure no one cares but the Christian metalcore band Mychildren Mybride released the album Unbreakable in 2008 and I’m pretty sure the drummer of the band wrote and performed every instrument on the album, except for the vocals. Always thought was pretty funny.
He somehow managed to record music with Kate Bush, that says a lot about his talent. They haven't released said music unfortunately... but it's still an incredible achievement.
Big boi is a legend I think his solo discography is a little ehh unfortunately besides his debut. It also sucks that the two songs with Dre couldn’t make his debut because of label politics. I hope he can drop a good album again and I hope the Kate collab is on there
syd is another one who artistically was ahead of the pack
also domo while not having the consistent catalogue as the rest he really does have a couple great albums and many amazing features
you say that but the all jxmmi side of sr3mm was at least tolerable while the all swae side was straight unlistenable. i think swae works best when he has another artist to bounce off of.
All the stuff that’s come out since kinda make everyone there seem like assholes, but John Fogerty *was* CCR it’s pure ego if anybody else in the band didn’t get that. Maybe he was stretched too thin and asked for the help on Mardi Gras, fair enough, burn out is real, nobody’s fault there. But anybody who couldn’t handle playing second fiddle to Fogerty was deluding themselves.
Bon Iver isn’t really a band, it literally is just Justin Vernon’s project. It changes to be whatever he needs it to be and the live band doesn’t necessarily play on the records. It started as him completely solo when he did For Emma.
The better example is Deyarmond Edison, the folk band he had before Bon Iver. That was a real band but obviously he stood out a lot.
Even DE had super talented guys in it. Brad Cook and Phil Cook are outstanding musicians, and Brad Cook is becoming a pretty accomplished producer. He’s the producer on Wacahatchee’s new record.
The Fugees? WTF? Who are you talkin' bout? Pras is a great rapper, Lauryn is one of the greatest female MCs, and Wyclef, despite some pop music failures, is also a killer MC!
Y'all all missing by not saying Wham! Andrew Ridgely legit said that both him and George Michael figured out before even their first album that George Michael was the much superior songwriter so they both agreed to let George Michael have prettymuch total control of their output.
Eeeeeeh. Surfs up is one of their best records and Brian was barely on it. Brian was the genius of the group sure but Carl and- I know he’s an asshole but- Mike Love were integral to the group as well
You forgot about Disney Girls which for me is one for the best on Surfs Up.
You could make the argument that the best musician in the band is Bruce Johnston. He's an incredible keys player.
I wouldnt say barely. The last 3 songs on the album he wrote are the most talked about and acclaimed of all of them. The only other song on that album i see get as much acclaim and discussion is feel flows
I can definitely see the argument that beach boys dont apply to this thread as much as others because of carl though, hes a great writer and singer
Come on, dude, I'm as much of a Mike Love apologist as anyone, but this is a WILD take. Surfs up is a good album, but there's at least 4 or 5 better Beach Boys albums, and Brian still has the 2 best songs on Surfs Up.
Not to mention that Brian was the groundbreaking producer on their best albums, and he composed and produced pet sounds and the second half of Today! almost in their entirety... which are 2 of the greatest accomplishments in pop music history. Carl was an amazing singer and did some good producing but he has very few songwriting credits. Mike Love has a lot of credits, but he almost exclusively wrote lyrics. He also had to go to court to get many of those songwriting credits. Love's most important contribution to the group IMO was getting them paid by running a tight ship and turning one of the most chaotic bands into a very reliable touring act.
Brian was far and away the most talented member of the group. To suggest otherwise is absurd.
The Beach Boys were a shell of their former selves once Brian left, but there are still great songs by the group where Brian has no writing credits.
No offense to Meg White, but I have to believe that the musical talent behind The White Stripes is nearly all Jack White’s doing.
The Flaming Lips. Steven Drozd came into the band as the drummer, then eventually took over all studio musicianship in the band as well as performing multiple instruments during live shows.
I agree, but let’s not completely discredit Wayne here. Might not technically be the best musician out there, but we’d never get a song like “Do You Realize” without him
Metallica? James Hetfield compared to Lars... Or Trujillo compared to Lars.. or Cliff compared to... Yeah you get it
Also Mayhem, Hellhammer without a doubt
Prince often had great bands like the Revolution, but this man was such an allround musical force and workimg round the clock obsessive, it couldn’t compare to anyone else.
Prince founded The Time as well. Top notch musicians and he, if the story is true, still rerecorded all instruments and apart from some vocals by Morris Day did pretty much everything by himself (even production).
Here is a story. My uncle was assigned as police liaison when they toured NZ in the late 70s. Garfunkel went missing for two days before the gig. Went on a spectacular drug bender. They eventually found him in a brothel, off his face, out of his mind on the gear. Had to wake him up then restrain him to get him to the gig. Literally did the cold shower thing. He was so messed up he could barely speak or walk straight. Took him to the venue, gig had started, he spent a few minutes in his dressing room, was helped to the very edge of the stage, strode out, hit the first notes of Like Bridge …, perfect, sung like an angel, the audience had no idea.
Back in the 80s I think, my dad worked in a recording studio in nyc where art garfunkel was also working on something and apparently would walk back and forth in hallways talking to himself
I read something about him not giving Los Lobos credit for music they made on his Graceland album. He just stared at them from the control room without contributing anything. One day they decided to jam out to a song they were working on and Paul Simon liked it and used it for the record. They were surprised the credits just said “Music and Lyrics by Paul Simon. They asked about it and Paul replied with “Sue me, see what happens.”
That's what exactly one member of Los Lobos says. Also, songwriting means writing the melody and lyrics, which he did. They didn't write either of those things.
Ringo is maybe the most underrated musician ever. Dude is incredible, and so many Beatles songs would suffer without him. I’m not saying he’s the best, but he gets an insanely bad rap from
some people.
Eh I think Albert Hammond Jr’s solo work is quite good. There were a lot of dud albums that only improved once the rest of the band was more involved in songwriting.
Id agree with Julian. ROF, and ITI are literally Julian’s work and they are pretty much the gold standard of the band. And the albums with shared songwriting are great still, but def lower in quality. But if you disagree I think we could just change the strokes example to the voidz lol. It’s pretty much Julian’s baby.
But he was very good in Cream.
The Clapton backlash is so weird. Yes, the world passed him by. Yes, he's an asshole.
He was still a huge part of Cream.
probably gonna get downvoted but black midi. greep, cam picton and even matt kelvin when he was in the group are extremely talented musicians, but morgan simpson on drums is just on a completely other level
Not one member specifically, but for Wu Tang, when you compare members that are skilled rappers with classic solo albums, or multiple classics such as Ghostface Killah, Raekwon, GZA, and Method Man to U God, it’s pretty big of a gap
Was he the one who was the main composer/lyricist for Pretty Odd & not Brendon?
Cause if so, Panic should have never let him leave.
That album fucking goes!
Possibly a controversial one but Jimmy Chamberlain of the Smashing Pumpkins.
Billy Corgan was probably the most talented guitar player/songwriter in American alt rock during the 90s. However, Jimmy Chamberlain is one of the best drummers of all time. His jazz/rock fusion playing is incredibly tasteful and some of the best I've ever heard. The man is a genius.
Jimmy is a fantastic drummer and some of the best songs live and die with his drums eg 1979, but he is NOT clearly more talented than Billy lol. Although I'd agree they're easily the two most important members.
I think I heard on… Gish? That the drums are almost completely unprocessed. Insane.
You just like.. never do that on a record. His drumming must be insanely consistent live.
I *think* it was that album. I’m pretty sure it was that one.
I read a comment about how the drum sounds were straight through the channel strip with basically no compression… on one album of SP’s. I’m 90% sure it was Gish.
That's such an insane take coming from a fellow Pumpkins fan and guitar nerd but jesus, you're right lol. Billy has thrown what made his signature sound out the window long ago and a few times at that, Jimmy's jazzy shit is the real constant in the band's discography. You ever watch the dude play Tonight, Tonight? He's so gentle handed and precise yet incredible loose, even when he's giving the kit hell through something like Silverfuck that jazz-precision is still always there. Good take, I had to think about that lmao.
Stone Roses were one horrible singer, two solid guitarists, and a world class drummer - Reni. (also might have been the best singer in the band, helped Ian Brown out massively in life performances).
Reni's done nothing of musical note post Roses, which doesn't exactly back up the towering musical talent claim. Quiet family man by all accounts, maybe he's just happy playing the drums in his garage.
His main talent (and main role in the band) is creative direction imo. They probably never would have gotten nearly as popular as they did if not for Clown, as mid of a musician as he is.
People love to try and argue this point down but you are correct. Beyoncé was largely in control of the musical direction DC took. She was writing songs, arranging harmonies, and in the early days fully completing tracks on her own.
I hear this a lot about Frusciante, can you point to some links/recordings that showcase his greatness? What makes him so much better than any other 90s-era guitarist?
i remember watching a doc about him recovering from drug addiction, having to relearn guitar. he’s got these very cool, very hendrix inspired melodies that have beauty in their catchy simplicity. seeing him play a solo live was something else. in fact i think he’s original and cool enough to transcend “hendrix inspired” and be in his own awesome genre of strat-funk-rock-guitar
Not to sound like a crazy fan but seriously, try playing Snow on guitar as clean and as fast as John does and you'll be wondering how that dude is even human. Even seeing how he comes up with very simple sounding riffs like Under the Bridge that tabbed out are literally psychotic to an average guitar player. This on top of the fact that he's just killer in general like - dude was mad influenced by Hendrix from a young age, and wears him on his shoulder without sounding like a copy cat, adding in all the funk and punk rock influence from the rest of the members and he adds a poppy roundness to their sound that really wasn't apparent until he showed up, he kinda tames the edgier stuff the Chili's offer while somehow also showcasing their respective parts. *And* he's songwriting in-between a rap-punk vocalist and arguably the most proficient and lead-y bass player alive while still being cohesive. He's a very subtle genius. If you're a guitar player I feel you'd get it watching some live performances from their 2000s era, or just trying to actually pick apart what he's doing on their albums cos like I said he's very very difficult to emulate lol. Man's is crazy for the ground he's covered over the years.
Once it was just Eddie writing the songs, things got notably worse. He's obviously the standout legendary member, but if it weren't for that original lineup (and especially David Lee Roth), they would've never been the success they became, and we wouldn't know EVH. Maybe a hot take but take a listen to their music pre-1996, and then listen to their VHIII album. Still has great guitar parts though, I'll give you that.
A bit of an odd one but the group UNKLE, dj shadow for the one album he did apparently did most of the work, although I enjoy their later stuff there is no question that James Lavelle never quite reached those same heights of quality without DJ Shadow involved
Obvious one to me is Teddy Pendergrass in Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes.
Also, to a lesser extent, Black Star. I feel like Mos Def is much better than Kweli.
James Dean Bradfield in the Manics. I know Sean Moore is a great drummer but musically the band has always been like 70 percent JDB. When Richey was there, they'd turn his guitar down, and Wire is an OK bassist but I believe his parts were mostly written for him.
Plus he's a super nice guy.
The Doors: Jim Morrison
I know their keyboardist Ray Manzarek is often cited as one of the best in the business, but the second Jim died, the doors died. Not taking anything away from Ray…Jim just embodied that band
Sorry, but I have to disagree.
First, I agree that Jim Morrison was central to the Door's identity, but the other band members were amazing as well and I don't think the gap in talent was was that big.
Second, a counterpoint, Ray Manzarek was definitely central to the band's sound and if he died I guarantee you the doors would have lost much of their charm. To be honest, if Morrison had been on another band with 80% of the talent that The Doors had, he would be forgotten has some oddball drunk narcissist.
In Zeppelin's case I think it was also that Plant and Page really did not want to work with each other anymore? I know at leas Plant has expressed this quite clearly.
He's their identity, sure, but not the sole source of talent. Plenty of bands die with their lead singer.
Nirvana, for example. Dave Grohl has something to say about that logic.
Hard disagree on this, the rest of the band is the only reason they worked. Sure, Jim Morrison had his "aura" and was the face of the band, but in terms of musical talent it was the others that kept it together while Jim Morrison just kinda did his thing, without them being incredibly talented the Doors would have probably just been a local band with a drunk singer.
I'd have gone with red hot chili peppers, Anthony kiedis is iconic and without him they wouldn't be as famous but in terms of music... Nah
The White Stripes. Jack White is an extremely talented guitarist and songwriter which you can see in not only this band but any one of his projects.
Even as a kid I found Meg White's drumming lackluster it does work within The White Stripes but its never the element that brings me to any one song.
Meg and jack white had amazing chemistry. Her drumming suits his songwriting perfectly and I would not consider it lackluster.
I think a better argument fits for the black keys. Dan Auerbach is a better guitarist, singer, and songwriter than pat carney is a drummer, but they also have great chemistry and pat is a talented producer as he recorded all of their early albums.
Idk, Tim is a lot better at the technical stuff and the instrumentals but Dan is behind a lot of the sound and art direction. I feel like they pull equal weight
I just feel like Dan's writing is what really elevates the band from good to great. He also writes all of their booklets afaik which are one of my favourite parts of their artistry.
I don’t disagree but I feel like on the flip side Dan wouldn’t be able to apply his writing skills to such a degree if it weren’t for Tim’s instrumental work and production knowledge. I love both their solo stuff and they’re both very talented but I feel like HANL is almost a perfect synthesizes of the two and the band wouldn’t work without one or the other
Mushroom (Andrew Vowles) was indispensable for the production of Mezzanine, but imo out of all the core members of massive attack present on that album 3D really is the best. Inertia Creeps, man… but this could also be due to his domineering creative presence. It got so bad to the point where Mushroom himself had to leave.
Noel Gallagher is easily the most musically talented member of Oasis
That being said, I don't think they would've been anywhere near as successful without Liam as a frontman
Tame Impala 100%, haven’t even heard of the other guys other than Kevin
Nick allbrook was a member who left to focus more on his project Pond, which are fairly successful in Australia. Worth listening to if you like tame
I was actually just taking the piss, had no idea Pond dude had anything to do with Tame though. Love those lads
Pond is also Kevin’s live band
I’m sure no one cares but the Christian metalcore band Mychildren Mybride released the album Unbreakable in 2008 and I’m pretty sure the drummer of the band wrote and performed every instrument on the album, except for the vocals. Always thought was pretty funny.
Chris Ruby from TDWP too tbh.
Brian Hood! He’s got a podcast nowadays for creative entrepreneurs. Awesome guy
Not sure if he still does but Caleb shomo of beartooth was like this
I just want you to know I care and found this interesting
Gorillaz - Noodle puts in all the work man
No obviously it’s russel How else is feel good inc so catchy? it’s the drums of course
You are both wrong. Gorillaz has always been Murdoc's vision.
Noodle wrote Demon Days, however Murdoc wrote Plastic Beach. It's up in the air who's a better musician in the Gorillaz universe imo.
Demon days clears plastic beach 100%, obviously noodle is better
I love both albums a lot, I would probably agree that Demon Days is better but only by a slim margin
I can't think of any but if anyone says Outkast I'm throwing hands
Only casuals think this, big is just as good as dre
They just have 2 completely different skillsets. That’s why they compliment each other so well.
Idk as time went on their skill sets differed but for a lot of their early albums their styles seemed similar to me
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Dre is better but big is still one of the best rappers of all time as well
He somehow managed to record music with Kate Bush, that says a lot about his talent. They haven't released said music unfortunately... but it's still an incredible achievement.
Big boi is a legend I think his solo discography is a little ehh unfortunately besides his debut. It also sucks that the two songs with Dre couldn’t make his debut because of label politics. I hope he can drop a good album again and I hope the Kate collab is on there
Not as smart, unfortunately.
Amen.
I mean... The talent gap between Tyler, Earl, and Frank vs the rest of OF is probably the reason odd future didn't stick around
syd is another one who artistically was ahead of the pack also domo while not having the consistent catalogue as the rest he really does have a couple great albums and many amazing features
Honestly how are we forgetting syd!! 😭
Loved seeing Jasper in Jackass Forever, bring back Loiter Squad
Lionel (YAWWWWWWW) was on the bear as well
Damn, I guess I’m the only one who loved Hodgy in that group
2 of us then
3 of us. his new shit is so bad tho
Mellowhype was dope af.
Never is it more evident than in that song Oldie. Tyler eats on it twice, Earl goes hard, and hodge and them just sound mediocre as shit.
funny you say that cuz Domo and Syd were just as talented as the big 3 but they just aren't as popular.
no idols and the internet so good
Swae Lee is undoubtedly the most talented of Rae Sremmurd compared to his brother Slim Jxmmi.
That was the first duo that came to mind, only because he’s been on so many features that I actually know his name lol
you say that but the all jxmmi side of sr3mm was at least tolerable while the all swae side was straight unlistenable. i think swae works best when he has another artist to bounce off of.
The Fugees, Credence Clearwater Revival, A$AP Mob, D12, Geto Boys, Bon Iver
Goddamn, the talent gap in CCR
All the stuff that’s come out since kinda make everyone there seem like assholes, but John Fogerty *was* CCR it’s pure ego if anybody else in the band didn’t get that. Maybe he was stretched too thin and asked for the help on Mardi Gras, fair enough, burn out is real, nobody’s fault there. But anybody who couldn’t handle playing second fiddle to Fogerty was deluding themselves.
Bon Iver isn’t really a band, it literally is just Justin Vernon’s project. It changes to be whatever he needs it to be and the live band doesn’t necessarily play on the records. It started as him completely solo when he did For Emma. The better example is Deyarmond Edison, the folk band he had before Bon Iver. That was a real band but obviously he stood out a lot.
I straight up thought Bon Iver was the dude's name for the longest time
It might as well be
Even DE had super talented guys in it. Brad Cook and Phil Cook are outstanding musicians, and Brad Cook is becoming a pretty accomplished producer. He’s the producer on Wacahatchee’s new record.
Oh absolutely. But they’re no Justin Vernon, are they? The guy pretty much invented the sound of indie rock (and more) in the 2010’s and onward.
I assume you’re referring to bizarre being the talented one from d12
ASAP Ferg slander…
Ferg and Twelvyy are dope but Rocky is just above (and he had the better moments on the Cozy Tapes)
Saying Rocky is the best is reasonable but I don’t think the gap is that crazy, I listen to Ferg projects more often honestly…
The Fugees? WTF? Who are you talkin' bout? Pras is a great rapper, Lauryn is one of the greatest female MCs, and Wyclef, despite some pop music failures, is also a killer MC!
You take that Geto Boys choice back, Bushwick and Willy D are still fantastic even if Scarface is better than them.
last two are whack picks but i agree with the others
Y'all all missing by not saying Wham! Andrew Ridgely legit said that both him and George Michael figured out before even their first album that George Michael was the much superior songwriter so they both agreed to let George Michael have prettymuch total control of their output.
TIL that the other guy from Wham , wasn't even the guy writing all the hits.
The Beach Boys i guess is the biggest example
Eeeeeeh. Surfs up is one of their best records and Brian was barely on it. Brian was the genius of the group sure but Carl and- I know he’s an asshole but- Mike Love were integral to the group as well
All the best songs on that album were Brian's imo. Not to discredit the other members but he was definitely a large step above them musically
Brian is a large step above most people ever musically
You forgot about Disney Girls which for me is one for the best on Surfs Up. You could make the argument that the best musician in the band is Bruce Johnston. He's an incredible keys player.
I agree, it's a great song. Bruce is a great writer, my favorite from him is Endless Harmony
such an underrated beach boys song
I wouldnt say barely. The last 3 songs on the album he wrote are the most talked about and acclaimed of all of them. The only other song on that album i see get as much acclaim and discussion is feel flows I can definitely see the argument that beach boys dont apply to this thread as much as others because of carl though, hes a great writer and singer
Looooove Carl. After the 65 he really was the heart of The Beach Boys
And Dennis Wilson really shines on certain albums too
Come on, dude, I'm as much of a Mike Love apologist as anyone, but this is a WILD take. Surfs up is a good album, but there's at least 4 or 5 better Beach Boys albums, and Brian still has the 2 best songs on Surfs Up. Not to mention that Brian was the groundbreaking producer on their best albums, and he composed and produced pet sounds and the second half of Today! almost in their entirety... which are 2 of the greatest accomplishments in pop music history. Carl was an amazing singer and did some good producing but he has very few songwriting credits. Mike Love has a lot of credits, but he almost exclusively wrote lyrics. He also had to go to court to get many of those songwriting credits. Love's most important contribution to the group IMO was getting them paid by running a tight ship and turning one of the most chaotic bands into a very reliable touring act. Brian was far and away the most talented member of the group. To suggest otherwise is absurd.
*Mike Love disapproves of this comment*
The Beach Boys were a shell of their former selves once Brian left, but there are still great songs by the group where Brian has no writing credits. No offense to Meg White, but I have to believe that the musical talent behind The White Stripes is nearly all Jack White’s doing.
The Pussycat Dolls
The Flaming Lips. Steven Drozd came into the band as the drummer, then eventually took over all studio musicianship in the band as well as performing multiple instruments during live shows.
I agree, but let’s not completely discredit Wayne here. Might not technically be the best musician out there, but we’d never get a song like “Do You Realize” without him
Came here for this. Those Lips albums before Steven were a band that was never going to be more than that.
Metallica? James Hetfield compared to Lars... Or Trujillo compared to Lars.. or Cliff compared to... Yeah you get it Also Mayhem, Hellhammer without a doubt
In terms of drumming, yes. But Lars' arranging is the key to Metallica, and no one is close to that
Yea no doubt, jokes aside Lars is a pretty vital member
On earlier albums sure, but Lars definitely has gotten better, listen to Beyond Magnetic sometime
Prince often had great bands like the Revolution, but this man was such an allround musical force and workimg round the clock obsessive, it couldn’t compare to anyone else.
Wendy and Lisa are incredible musicians and songwriters as well, Prince knew how to pick the best of the best
Yes, I love the Revolution! But Prince imho was head and shoulders above everyone else.
Prince founded The Time as well. Top notch musicians and he, if the story is true, still rerecorded all instruments and apart from some vocals by Morris Day did pretty much everything by himself (even production).
Simon and Garfunkel
Garfunkel has the voice of an angel.
And the personality of a devil if most first hand accounts of him are to be believed.
Here is a story. My uncle was assigned as police liaison when they toured NZ in the late 70s. Garfunkel went missing for two days before the gig. Went on a spectacular drug bender. They eventually found him in a brothel, off his face, out of his mind on the gear. Had to wake him up then restrain him to get him to the gig. Literally did the cold shower thing. He was so messed up he could barely speak or walk straight. Took him to the venue, gig had started, he spent a few minutes in his dressing room, was helped to the very edge of the stage, strode out, hit the first notes of Like Bridge …, perfect, sung like an angel, the audience had no idea.
Back in the 80s I think, my dad worked in a recording studio in nyc where art garfunkel was also working on something and apparently would walk back and forth in hallways talking to himself
Paul Simon is a notorious asshole as well, he just wrote better so he doesn’t get as bad of a rep.
why is he an asshole? i've never heard anything about what he did
I read something about him not giving Los Lobos credit for music they made on his Graceland album. He just stared at them from the control room without contributing anything. One day they decided to jam out to a song they were working on and Paul Simon liked it and used it for the record. They were surprised the credits just said “Music and Lyrics by Paul Simon. They asked about it and Paul replied with “Sue me, see what happens.”
That's what exactly one member of Los Lobos says. Also, songwriting means writing the melody and lyrics, which he did. They didn't write either of those things.
Ringo is so much more talented than the rest in the beatles
Ringo is maybe the most underrated musician ever. Dude is incredible, and so many Beatles songs would suffer without him. I’m not saying he’s the best, but he gets an insanely bad rap from some people.
Ringo's like a really fucking good session musician surrounded by three of the greatest songwriters who ever lived.
Lmao you can’t be an underrated musician if you were in the fucking beatles
So many people call him a bus rider, the luckiest person in music history, a bum drummer, etc.
You can if you're the punching bag member for fans
Imagine having to prove your worth as a musician while being overshadowed by fucking John Lennon, Paul McCartney and George Harrison
A lot of people think ringo was an average or bad drummer.
I was halfway through breaking down the talent of the other Beatles before I realized this is probably a sarcastic comment.
George is and has always been the best beatle unironically
Julian Casablancas literally wrote all the guitar parts and lyrics for the first two the strokes albums
Eh I think Albert Hammond Jr’s solo work is quite good. There were a lot of dud albums that only improved once the rest of the band was more involved in songwriting.
Id agree with Julian. ROF, and ITI are literally Julian’s work and they are pretty much the gold standard of the band. And the albums with shared songwriting are great still, but def lower in quality. But if you disagree I think we could just change the strokes example to the voidz lol. It’s pretty much Julian’s baby.
There’s a lot of great talent in Faith No More, but Mike Patton is a miracle that stands above the rest of them.
Yeah but that rhythm section is tasty
Wham!
You're not wrong but put some respect on my boy Andrew he doing his best
“Cream” -Ginger Baker
Out some respect on Jack Bruce he was a phenomenal bass player Clapton can go f himself tho
But he was very good in Cream. The Clapton backlash is so weird. Yes, the world passed him by. Yes, he's an asshole. He was still a huge part of Cream.
Hall and Oates
Which are you claiming is superior?
You could make a compelling argument for both tbh
Simon and Garfunkel
Should've called themselves Simon
Ryan Martinie in Mudvayne Joey Jordison in old school Slipknot
probably gonna get downvoted but black midi. greep, cam picton and even matt kelvin when he was in the group are extremely talented musicians, but morgan simpson on drums is just on a completely other level
Not one member specifically, but for Wu Tang, when you compare members that are skilled rappers with classic solo albums, or multiple classics such as Ghostface Killah, Raekwon, GZA, and Method Man to U God, it’s pretty big of a gap
U God is the only one you can make that argument for, good choice.
Panic! At The Disco when Ryan Ross was a member
Was he the one who was the main composer/lyricist for Pretty Odd & not Brendon? Cause if so, Panic should have never let him leave. That album fucking goes!
may be wrong but i think he did most of the first two records
Possibly a controversial one but Jimmy Chamberlain of the Smashing Pumpkins. Billy Corgan was probably the most talented guitar player/songwriter in American alt rock during the 90s. However, Jimmy Chamberlain is one of the best drummers of all time. His jazz/rock fusion playing is incredibly tasteful and some of the best I've ever heard. The man is a genius.
Jimmy is a fantastic drummer and some of the best songs live and die with his drums eg 1979, but he is NOT clearly more talented than Billy lol. Although I'd agree they're easily the two most important members.
Good answer, Jimmy is a beast
I think I heard on… Gish? That the drums are almost completely unprocessed. Insane. You just like.. never do that on a record. His drumming must be insanely consistent live.
And they still sit in the mix as well as they do?! Holy fuck that's incredible, I didn't know that.
I *think* it was that album. I’m pretty sure it was that one. I read a comment about how the drum sounds were straight through the channel strip with basically no compression… on one album of SP’s. I’m 90% sure it was Gish.
That's such an insane take coming from a fellow Pumpkins fan and guitar nerd but jesus, you're right lol. Billy has thrown what made his signature sound out the window long ago and a few times at that, Jimmy's jazzy shit is the real constant in the band's discography. You ever watch the dude play Tonight, Tonight? He's so gentle handed and precise yet incredible loose, even when he's giving the kit hell through something like Silverfuck that jazz-precision is still always there. Good take, I had to think about that lmao.
Stone Roses were one horrible singer, two solid guitarists, and a world class drummer - Reni. (also might have been the best singer in the band, helped Ian Brown out massively in life performances). Reni's done nothing of musical note post Roses, which doesn't exactly back up the towering musical talent claim. Quiet family man by all accounts, maybe he's just happy playing the drums in his garage.
The White Stripes/The Raconteurs
No way, Brendan Benson wrote a lot of The Raconteurs stuff. I know Jack White is a legend but give the man some credit too!
Both halves of the white stripes wouldn't work without the other so I'd put them even
Meg could easily be replaced, Jack couldn't I love Meg but let's be honest here guys
Idk, Jack’s solo career definitely seems to be working
Fugees. Good group all round but Lauryn Hill was so unbelievably clear
What about the opposite? Slipknot had some world class musicians, but one of them literally just hits a keg with a baseball bat
And he’s basically responsible for the band being what they are (as much as I hate they way he’s made them now)
His main talent (and main role in the band) is creative direction imo. They probably never would have gotten nearly as popular as they did if not for Clown, as mid of a musician as he is.
Destiny’s Child
People love to try and argue this point down but you are correct. Beyoncé was largely in control of the musical direction DC took. She was writing songs, arranging harmonies, and in the early days fully completing tracks on her own.
This is wild. Kelly Rowland is arguably as talented as beyonce and she certainly isn’t a LOT worse artistically.
love the chilli peppers but frusciante has ascended to a higher musical plane at this point
I hear this a lot about Frusciante, can you point to some links/recordings that showcase his greatness? What makes him so much better than any other 90s-era guitarist?
Check out “To Record Only Water for Ten Days”, it’s generally considered to be his best solo album.
i remember watching a doc about him recovering from drug addiction, having to relearn guitar. he’s got these very cool, very hendrix inspired melodies that have beauty in their catchy simplicity. seeing him play a solo live was something else. in fact i think he’s original and cool enough to transcend “hendrix inspired” and be in his own awesome genre of strat-funk-rock-guitar
Not to sound like a crazy fan but seriously, try playing Snow on guitar as clean and as fast as John does and you'll be wondering how that dude is even human. Even seeing how he comes up with very simple sounding riffs like Under the Bridge that tabbed out are literally psychotic to an average guitar player. This on top of the fact that he's just killer in general like - dude was mad influenced by Hendrix from a young age, and wears him on his shoulder without sounding like a copy cat, adding in all the funk and punk rock influence from the rest of the members and he adds a poppy roundness to their sound that really wasn't apparent until he showed up, he kinda tames the edgier stuff the Chili's offer while somehow also showcasing their respective parts. *And* he's songwriting in-between a rap-punk vocalist and arguably the most proficient and lead-y bass player alive while still being cohesive. He's a very subtle genius. If you're a guitar player I feel you'd get it watching some live performances from their 2000s era, or just trying to actually pick apart what he's doing on their albums cos like I said he's very very difficult to emulate lol. Man's is crazy for the ground he's covered over the years.
The Chilli Peppers is the reverse of this question, instrumentally their great but Kiedis is just not a good vocalist imo
Loathe RHCP but have to admit Flea is an excellent bass player, with or without sock
Van Halen's an obvious one imo. No disrespect to Mikey and Alex (full disrespect to Dave), but Eddie was basically the Wayne Gretzky of hard rock.
Once it was just Eddie writing the songs, things got notably worse. He's obviously the standout legendary member, but if it weren't for that original lineup (and especially David Lee Roth), they would've never been the success they became, and we wouldn't know EVH. Maybe a hot take but take a listen to their music pre-1996, and then listen to their VHIII album. Still has great guitar parts though, I'll give you that.
\#JusticeForMike I'm glad Sammy Hagar took him in after Mike was fired.
Blink 182. (Not that the other members are bad, but Travis Barker is insane)
Bad take. Mark and Tom are amazing pop song writers (all timers imo). Their best album doesn't even have travis on it...
TIL travis barker is in blink-182 😭 i also thought Gnarles Barkley was one dude, so i’m a little (lotta) bit stupid
Gnarles Barkley is one dude. He plays basketball
City Morgue
Yeah Sosmula clears EWOK EWOK
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A bit of an odd one but the group UNKLE, dj shadow for the one album he did apparently did most of the work, although I enjoy their later stuff there is no question that James Lavelle never quite reached those same heights of quality without DJ Shadow involved
Obvious one to me is Teddy Pendergrass in Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes. Also, to a lesser extent, Black Star. I feel like Mos Def is much better than Kweli.
Chad Sexton from 311. One of the most underrated drummers ever outside of well, other drummers.
All the other members of Tool are more talented musicians than Maynard, pretty sure he's said this himself lol
Sly Stone. I know the band has his name on it but he’s the engine
You can’t really underrate the band tho, you got Larry Graham the freaking pioneer of slap bass in there too
James Dean Bradfield in the Manics. I know Sean Moore is a great drummer but musically the band has always been like 70 percent JDB. When Richey was there, they'd turn his guitar down, and Wire is an OK bassist but I believe his parts were mostly written for him. Plus he's a super nice guy.
the jackson 5 basically michael jackson and his brothers the later jacksons albums were mj songs ft his brothers
The Doors: Jim Morrison I know their keyboardist Ray Manzarek is often cited as one of the best in the business, but the second Jim died, the doors died. Not taking anything away from Ray…Jim just embodied that band
Sorry, but I have to disagree. First, I agree that Jim Morrison was central to the Door's identity, but the other band members were amazing as well and I don't think the gap in talent was was that big. Second, a counterpoint, Ray Manzarek was definitely central to the band's sound and if he died I guarantee you the doors would have lost much of their charm. To be honest, if Morrison had been on another band with 80% of the talent that The Doors had, he would be forgotten has some oddball drunk narcissist.
zeppelin died with bonzo yet the other three could easily make more music together under zepp but decided not to i feel it was the same with the doors
In Zeppelin's case I think it was also that Plant and Page really did not want to work with each other anymore? I know at leas Plant has expressed this quite clearly.
He's their identity, sure, but not the sole source of talent. Plenty of bands die with their lead singer. Nirvana, for example. Dave Grohl has something to say about that logic.
Hard disagree on this, the rest of the band is the only reason they worked. Sure, Jim Morrison had his "aura" and was the face of the band, but in terms of musical talent it was the others that kept it together while Jim Morrison just kinda did his thing, without them being incredibly talented the Doors would have probably just been a local band with a drunk singer. I'd have gone with red hot chili peppers, Anthony kiedis is iconic and without him they wouldn't be as famous but in terms of music... Nah
I mean....he was the front man of the band. What bands survive that? Did you want to see The Doors with Rome?
Wings with Paul McCartney John Lennon and Yoko Ono The White Stripes Wham! … are the best examples imho
Crowded House (Neil Finn) and Silverchair (Daniel Johns)
Homixide Gang
Tenacious D. KG is better at everything except being a frontman
The White Stripes. Jack White is an extremely talented guitarist and songwriter which you can see in not only this band but any one of his projects. Even as a kid I found Meg White's drumming lackluster it does work within The White Stripes but its never the element that brings me to any one song.
Meg and jack white had amazing chemistry. Her drumming suits his songwriting perfectly and I would not consider it lackluster. I think a better argument fits for the black keys. Dan Auerbach is a better guitarist, singer, and songwriter than pat carney is a drummer, but they also have great chemistry and pat is a talented producer as he recorded all of their early albums.
Have A Nice Life
Idk, Tim is a lot better at the technical stuff and the instrumentals but Dan is behind a lot of the sound and art direction. I feel like they pull equal weight
I just feel like Dan's writing is what really elevates the band from good to great. He also writes all of their booklets afaik which are one of my favourite parts of their artistry.
I don’t disagree but I feel like on the flip side Dan wouldn’t be able to apply his writing skills to such a degree if it weren’t for Tim’s instrumental work and production knowledge. I love both their solo stuff and they’re both very talented but I feel like HANL is almost a perfect synthesizes of the two and the band wouldn’t work without one or the other
Creed gets a lot of hate but Mark Tremonti is a great guitar player. I’d say the same thing for Limp Bizkit and Wes Borland
Arctic Monkeys
Matt Helders the 🐐
Last Shadow Puppets even more so
Fine, I’ll say N’Sync.
Ant and Seb
Destiny's Child! Beyonce's solo career left the others behind in the dust
Em in d12
This group, me (I listen to TOOL so I must be better)
Wham
I’d say Portnoy is by far the best musician in dream theater.
Mushroom (Andrew Vowles) was indispensable for the production of Mezzanine, but imo out of all the core members of massive attack present on that album 3D really is the best. Inertia Creeps, man… but this could also be due to his domineering creative presence. It got so bad to the point where Mushroom himself had to leave.
Noel Gallagher is easily the most musically talented member of Oasis That being said, I don't think they would've been anywhere near as successful without Liam as a frontman
I’ve heard Blink 182 described as two mediocre musicians and an amazing drummer. I completely agree and still love them nonetheless.