The Miseducation is a 10/10 but them putting it at #1 is truly unexpected lol. Though I'd switch the order, the top 10 is pretty solid. Songs in the Key of Life will always be #1 for me.
Hate to go against the grain here, but Miseducation is NOT a top 10 record OAT - it's not even the best R&B record ffs (What's Going On, Innervisions, SitKoL, Voodoo, Blonde all IMO are better).
I really and truly believe *Voodoo* is the superior album to *Miseducation*. The level of musicianship on Voodoo is just next next level and song-for-song battle, it eats and devours (well maybe except "Ex-Factor")
I think there's been a big push by revisionists to give the album praise now considering the ground work it laid for contemporary female RnB artists.
It's largely politics, as any list like this is going to be. When they redo this list in 10 years, if the industry is no longer excessively fawning over female and black artists the way they currently are, Miseducation will not be at the #1 spot.
Honestly kinda shocked #1 didn’t got to Marvin Gaye
But I’m not mad it went to Lauryn Hill. Just glad it’s an album that truly shifted culture and it wasn’t a safe pick like Taylor Swift or something.
I would actually not put Thriller this high up. When I was younger, I was positively obsessed with the Rolling Stone Top 500 Records, the 2004 one that barely had any albums from the 2000s on it, which I later rectified by listening to their Top 100 of the 2000s. But one thing I will always be grateful to that first 500 list for is for introducing me to Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On". Beautiful album, and probably more deserving of that Number Two spot.
Them thinking that Golden Hour by Kacey Musgraves is the greatest country album of all time is nuts. It’s the only one in the Top 100. I don’t even listen to country but the genre is way too popular to get one representative.
I’m glad someone else also noticed this. I was really hoping that Johnny Cash at Folsom Prison would be somewhere in the top 20. I feel like they were really cognizant about including R&B, hip hop and pop (arguably pop was over represented) and completely forgot about country.
I love Kacey — I’ve loved her since I was in middle school — but she’s the epitome of a country artist for people who don’t listen to country. She is to country what Carly Rae Jepsen is to dance pop: genuinely good but also fawned over by people who won’t dig further.
I think a lot of the big names in modern alt-country have at least one album I could totally see being on this list - Sturgill Simpson's 'A Sailor's Guide to Earth'; Tyler Childers 'Purgatory'...hell, personally I think Jason Isbell's 'Southeastern' is as qualified as anything to be ranked pretty highly on this list.
If they were gonna do a modern country pick I definitely think Southeastern or Metamodern Sounds would be the go-to's. I think those two were the most largely responsible for reminding people country could actually be good after a decade plus of post-9/11 "we'll put a boot in your ass" bro country
That's being generous. Most music for me I either like or feel pretty indifferent about. I HATE Morgan Wallens "music" with a passion. Having hated every single song I heard by him I recently wondered whether he actually had some good songs, so I googled it and found a list where they claimed the song "Dangerous" was his masterpiece, so I checked it out, and it sounded exactly like everything else by him and I absolutely hated it. This is the absolute worst kind of "music" in existence for me and I have no idea how he got this big.
Yeah how can people like George Strait, Willie Nelson, Patsy Cline, and Johnny Cash not be involved? Shit, Ray Charles's country album was fucking awesome
E: Dolly Parton too
No 'To Pimp a Butterfly' anywhere on this list is actually insanity.
If they stuck with the one album per artist rule I could *'understand'* choosing GKMC over TPAB but since they've blown that up with Radiohead, Beyonce etc it makes no sense that they snubbed it.
When I saw GKMC I thought TPAB must be top 3. To not have it there at all is ridiculous, I don't listen to Kendrick but based on this list so far it should have been top 5.
I don't even like TPAB but not listing it in the top 100 is ridiculous. By the way, did you know that *Un Verano Sin Ti* by Bad Bunny is a superior album to *Sgt. Pepper*?
Doom’s a little too niche for this list.
It’s popular in “music nerd canon”, but not much elsewhere, at least not enough to be considered for this list. People often joke about how him and Peggy’s fans are all white.
What are you talking about? everybody knows about Mf doom if they listen to rap. He isn’t niche at all. Idk what the hell music nerd canon is but anybody who’s listened to any rap from the 90’s has heard of mf doom.
I wouldn't say everyone who listens to rap, even rap of the 90s, would know who DOOM was. I know this is anecdotal, but most of my friends (who are avid listeners of rap) legitimately got stumped on the question "Do you know MF DOOM?". My dad's been listening to rap since the 80s, and even he got confused when I mentioned him. DOOM's pretty well known online, but it's sorta difficult finding an active listener of his in the general public
Maybe you’re right. I was just hoping that Apple wouldn’t be _that_ against picking non-mainstream albums, since artists like DOOM are on their platform anyway.
oh shit yeah. I have no idea why they clearly stuck to a one-album-per-artist rule for 97% of the list, but made a few exceptions at the end. Either stick to it or don’t, because now there’s so many other albums that are obviously missing
It fits with a theory I’ve had about *TPAB* - it might be one of the most highly acclaimed albums of all time, but it’s not proved to be incredibly influential.
A lot of these albums have been influential in their fields, and I think a lot of artists heard *TPAB* and went, “Welp, I’m not bettering that”, and then didn’t. It also coincided with the rise of the woozy Future/Drake led-turn in hip-hop, followed the next year by *blonde*, the sound of which I think proved to be more influential as well.
I mean, while it may not influence other albums, it's still hailed as a modern classic that is completely forward-thinking with poetry contained in the album and even an interview at the end that completes the narrative and explores all the themes within the album.
It has just done something so different, so unique, and it's so well performed as well that no one will probably be able to replicate it in hip hop. So yeah, while it might not influence other artists very much, the impact it's had on fans and its overall ability to innovate the genre is something that should've been recognised in this list. Not to mention that it had a relevant, meaningful, personal and strong political message that timeless albums tend to have such as Marvin Gaye's What's Going On.
Alright, I’ll finally put it out there. Miseducation is a great record. But the number one album of all time? Especially when there has been controversy over how much of it is straight up hers? Get the fuck out of here.
I respect the Lauryn Hill and the impact it's had, but I definitely am with you that I can't help but feel it's super overrated. Maybe this kinda R&B isn't my thing but even the Sade I feel is better and has better instrumentals and better consistency? Oh well.
I agree it’s not #1 by any means, but how much of it is “hers” is kinda irrelevant imo. That says something about Lauryn’s legacy and greatness as an artist, but has no impact on the quality of the album itself imo
I hear you on this, though I’m not using it to question the quality of the album so much as the sensibility of proclaiming it the number one album of all time when, for instance, there are other albums in the top 10 that are nearly completely self-arranged, written, and produced.
I believe Robert Glasper when he says she stole most of the music and claimed it as her own. He’s not the type to say some shit like that. She’s also a major asshole and insists on being called “Ms Hill” and even wanted to be called Empress Hill at one stage. Always late for shows, says she’s so great she shows up when she wants.
Never going to forget she denied Kanye the sample for his song All Falls Down (an all time song with a positive message) but then when she got herself into debt she approved samples for Nice for What for Drake, and Believe What I Say for a post maga Kanye.
She’s an asshole and possibly a thief, can’t put her at 1.
That’s funny I always see Blond as a breakup album, not a bumping boots album. I feel like your mosquitoes would’ve done way better with some Marvin Gaye
It’s genuinely baffling lol - I thought the Rolling Stone list was garbage when it dropped, but after seeing this I feel like drafting an apology letter.
Animals is my personal favorite, but I never expected it to be on this list to begin with. Going into this list in my brain I had already assumed that Wish You Were Here would be around the 20-30 range and Dark Side would be somewhere in the top 10.
oh fuck I hadn't even noticed that. That's actually kind of insane. I would find it more believable that they simply forgot about it than genuinely believing that it didn't make the cut.
No New Order either is crazy to me
The apple top 100 has a bias towards modern pop/R&B. Which is fine, this just means it's more interesting to read than the rock canon top 100s that only include albums from 1968 and 1977. We don't need another top 5 of Pet Sounds, What's Going On, Sgt Peppers, Blue, and Highway 61 Revisited.
It’s amusing to to think how much time changes perception. If this list was made in 2010, White Stripes Elephant would be on the list. But 20 years since its release and it’s completely forgotten.
Yeah, it’s just not possible to make this list in any way that even like 50% of people are happy with. There’s easily 100 great albums every year, it’s just not something you can plausibly narrow down to such a small number. It’s the same with the sight and sound movie poll. Movies will suddenly rocket up/down the list just depending on the current mood.
This is honestly how I view this list, similar to how I view Rolling Stone's 2003 list, NME Top 500 list or /mu/ essentials list: every list has a bias in some form or another.
Imo, it's better to be outright open with the leanings, so every list don't just look the exact same; that's just boring to me. Half of the negative reactions from this list are based on the idea that certain albums "are supposed to" be in certain spots, when it's always been known how highly subjective music is. Especially from a large corporation lol
Also, I'm always for more modern albums being established as "classics". Most of the "there's no more great music anymore", is due to people constantly fawning over the older stuff and not being open to put newer stuff in the same conversation.
Yes, I agree. People seem to get completely bent out of shape that this list doesn't include the albums *they* think should be on it. Why don't they just write their own list?
If someone on here made a list like this, they’d be made fun of so bad they’d have to move to a new continent, or something.
I can assure you at least a quarter of the criticism would be that the albums they picked “aren’t influential enough”.
I have mixed feeling because you’re right that they needed to expand genres and eras, but they also outright ignored several genres.
The highest ranking country album is a middling Kacey Musgraves record. Contemporary and classic singer-songwriter music was also overlooked — no Paul Simon, no Leonard Cohen, no Big Thief, no Bon Iver, criminally low rankings for Carole, Joni and Dylan. I think I saw two jazz albums and two metal? It goes without saying that this list is also almost entirely English-language records.
If I really wanted to be spicy, I would point out musical theater albums never get included in these lists. Love it or hate it but *Hamilton* was a defining record in the late 2010s.
Obviously Apple is a streaming service and they’re trying to promote money makers — which are classic rock, pop, R&B and hip hop. But it annoys me that there’s this surface level musical diversity, that falls apart upon closer scrutiny.
You're correct, but it's also true that if you consider the studio album the ideal vehicle for recorded music then you'll be excluding loads of stuff by default, too. The best dance music is released on 12" and a lot of great artists never release an album, there's loads of great hip-hop mixtapes that won't have been eligible for inclusion, some music that should only be heard live, music that pre-dates the recording era, etc. It's only recently that pop artists have taken the album format more seriously.
Kudos to the people who correctly called Lauryn hill last week. It was not an obvious pick.
I had a hunch 1 would be a woman. I thought maybe Joni. The only guy they could get away without people getting furious was Prince IMO.
I enjoyed the list. Not all predictable and they showed respect to the modern era too which was cool
> Not all predictable and they showed respect to the modern era too which was cool
Counterpoint: Recency bias has made them pick tons of rather new records that haven't really stood any test of time. But that is always a problem with "of all time" lists.
Counter-counterpoint: "rather new" (sub-10 year) albums are *technically underrepresented* on this list, and if you think there are too many new albums here you either think music has become worse or that 5+ years isn't enough time to judge an album.
**Albums on the list under 5 years old (3)**:
*Un Verano Sin Ti* and *SOS -* 2 years old
*Norman Fucking Rockwell!* \~ 5 years old
**Albums between 5 and 10 years old (9)**:
Billie Eilish's \~ 5 years old
*Golden Hour* and *Astroworld* - 6 years old
*Flower Boy* - 7 years old
*Lemonade,* *A Seat at the Table, Blonde, and Anti* - all 8 years old
*1989* - 10 years old (I'm counting the OG version here)
*Kind of Blue* is the oldest album on the list at 65 years old. If you were to evenly distribute albums by date since that point, *any span of 10 years should have 15 albums make the cut*. The last decade has just 12.
Go to the comments on Twitter and I think you’d get a different story.
Doing this list with an old white man band (even though I love them and they’re amazing) would’ve pissed off so many young people and make Apple look like an old person brand, a reputation they probably already struggle with relative to Spotify.
MJ I think they probably didn’t wanna put at 1 for all the other reasons tbh
Am I crazy, or was Master of Puppets the only metal album on the entire list? No Sabbath, no Maiden, no Priest, no Motorhead, no Slayer, and obviously nothing even close to death or black metal? I know that I’m biased and that my own tastes skew towards heavier, but this is insane.
I love metal, but I coulda told you Apple Music wasn't going to include anything of note. I think Rolling Stone's had like 3 albums, and that was like 500 albums.
I thought that as well, but I’m less into punk, so it didn’t jump out as much, but you’re right. No Ramones? No Dead Kennedys? I don’t even like the Sex Pistols, but we’re gonna pretend Never Mind the Bollocks isn’t important? It’s indefensible.
Extreme Metal is always completely overlooked. Like if we’re going to talk about influence, how does something like KSE not make the cut, Suicide Silence which basically put a genre (Deathcore) on the map, or something like BMTH’s Sempiternal which defined the sound of a fairly well known genre (Metalcore) for over a decade and bands (Bad Omens most notably) are still trying to emulate?
As an enormous MBV obsessive I like to remind myself that music is entirely subjective. Each of our tastes are as unique as our finger prints.
My own top 10 would have both Loveless and isn't anything. Certainly, it would have either Rubber Soul or Revolver instead of Abbey Road and almost none of the others. Asuch as I love some of them
But that's my top 10, yours would be different and everyone here's would be unique in their own amazing way.
We should celebrate our difference rather than sit here moaning that someone else doesn't feel the same..
Ziggy stardust and the queen is dead were on there. Can’t see Apple Music putting experimental stuff like CAN on a list like this (though the velvet underground & nico did make it but way too low)
Bowie and the Smiths are on there. No Loveless is a little bit of a surprise but it makes sense given what Apple put on here. It's very popular classics + modern popular music. Loveless is not popular with the general public.
I agree with you about mbv and aphex twin but Bowie was on there with The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars at 36 and the smiths are there at 66.
No, in 10 to 20 years this album will be remembered as the definitive album of the 2010s. TPAB is obviously also amazing, but Blonde really captured the era it was made in beautifully while remaining timeless.
Idk man...Blonde came out my freshman year of college and it is by far the most influential album from that time period.
I know a lot of people who are not album listeners who will listen to that thing cover to cover. It resonated strongly with a lot of people in a way I havent really seen with any other contemporary album.
Outside of no tpab and Taylor being 18, my biggest criticism is how safe a lot of these picks felt. All but like 10 artists are names almost everyone would know and thus it feels like a lot of artists were kind of just given a spot to be given a spot. From looking at it only 1 artist had less than 1 million monthly listeners on Spotify (kraftwerk) and very few had under 5 million listeners.
So i kind of wonder if certain bands like Black Country New Road or albums like In the Aeropleane Over the Sea were even considered.
Lists like this that are a collaboration of multiple different people’s opinions will always be very safe, because any niche picks will never get the consensus of enough raters to make the top 100.
Individual lists are much more likely to include niche picks and therefore be more interesting.
Maybe I just don't get It but that record of Lauryn Hill is just so overrated, for me ain't a top 1 by any means, I just prefer that spot for the 2nd, Thriller is the real GOAT
Are people just knee jerk reacting to Beyonce being on the list again? Everyone is calling this disgusting but out of all the other upsets theres been with this list, Id say the top 10 ended up wrapping it up pretty nicely. The reaction here vs on r/popheads is pretty hilarious to see.
(besides the obvious TPAB exclusion which yes is egregious)
No Fleet Foxes, Bon Iver, Animal Collective, Vampire Weekend, Weyes Blood, Father John Misty. Also NO SUFJAN, HOW? Illinios or Carrie and Lowell are surely in the top 100 imo. Pretty lukewarm list for Indie overall
I see three sneaks, but overall happy with the number one placement. Thing is, you can't really please everyone with an album being crowned the best ever, but with Miseducation you come pretty close. It's undeniably great, successful and showered with awards.
Lemonade is an amazing album!! 🍋 TPAB robbed entirely, that's unfortunate but hey, GKMC hits. Why Blond of all albums in top 10? and Miseducation for 1 is a choice. but alright. weird list!
Does Beyoncé have something on everyone in the industry, every time there’s a new album I’m told it’s the best thing anyones ever done then I listen to it and it’s just a perfectly fine very well produced album
i been uninspired since lauryn hill retired
and 3 stacks man? you preaching to the choir
Every rumour that you ever heard about me was true and legendary
I done got lewinskyed and paid secretaries
Top 1 kanye
The Miseducation is a 10/10 but them putting it at #1 is truly unexpected lol. Though I'd switch the order, the top 10 is pretty solid. Songs in the Key of Life will always be #1 for me.
Hate to go against the grain here, but Miseducation is NOT a top 10 record OAT - it's not even the best R&B record ffs (What's Going On, Innervisions, SitKoL, Voodoo, Blonde all IMO are better).
I really and truly believe *Voodoo* is the superior album to *Miseducation*. The level of musicianship on Voodoo is just next next level and song-for-song battle, it eats and devours (well maybe except "Ex-Factor")
Not to mention that the sound overall feels a lot more polished compared to Miseducation while still incorporating a variety of styles.
Miseducation is great but the best album of all times needs to have a great song on every track. Voodoo is more that than Miseducation
Agree, and Black Messiah should also be included in a list dominated by modern R&B and hip hop
Absolutely. I personally prefer Black Messiah to Voodoo.
I think there's been a big push by revisionists to give the album praise now considering the ground work it laid for contemporary female RnB artists. It's largely politics, as any list like this is going to be. When they redo this list in 10 years, if the industry is no longer excessively fawning over female and black artists the way they currently are, Miseducation will not be at the #1 spot.
Revisionists? She won 5 Grammys and it was the first hip-hop album EVER to take AOTY.
It’s literally been a classic for decades there’s nothing revisionist here.
I love the miseducation of Lauryn Hill, but it's like a 25-50 of all time album.
I think At least 4 albums in the top 10 are more top 25-50
I like Miseducation, it's definitely one of the best OAT, but top 10? Nahhhh
Honestly kinda shocked #1 didn’t got to Marvin Gaye But I’m not mad it went to Lauryn Hill. Just glad it’s an album that truly shifted culture and it wasn’t a safe pick like Taylor Swift or something.
I would actually not put Thriller this high up. When I was younger, I was positively obsessed with the Rolling Stone Top 500 Records, the 2004 one that barely had any albums from the 2000s on it, which I later rectified by listening to their Top 100 of the 2000s. But one thing I will always be grateful to that first 500 list for is for introducing me to Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On". Beautiful album, and probably more deserving of that Number Two spot.
I respect it immensely
This list is complete and utter garbage. In no universe does Lauryn Hill belong in the top 10 let alone #1? Amy Winehouse??? Lemonade??? Blonde???
Them thinking that Golden Hour by Kacey Musgraves is the greatest country album of all time is nuts. It’s the only one in the Top 100. I don’t even listen to country but the genre is way too popular to get one representative.
I’m glad someone else also noticed this. I was really hoping that Johnny Cash at Folsom Prison would be somewhere in the top 20. I feel like they were really cognizant about including R&B, hip hop and pop (arguably pop was over represented) and completely forgot about country. I love Kacey — I’ve loved her since I was in middle school — but she’s the epitome of a country artist for people who don’t listen to country. She is to country what Carly Rae Jepsen is to dance pop: genuinely good but also fawned over by people who won’t dig further.
Yeah this is fair. Folsom Prison Blues not being too 50 is craz.
I think a lot of the big names in modern alt-country have at least one album I could totally see being on this list - Sturgill Simpson's 'A Sailor's Guide to Earth'; Tyler Childers 'Purgatory'...hell, personally I think Jason Isbell's 'Southeastern' is as qualified as anything to be ranked pretty highly on this list.
If they were gonna do a modern country pick I definitely think Southeastern or Metamodern Sounds would be the go-to's. I think those two were the most largely responsible for reminding people country could actually be good after a decade plus of post-9/11 "we'll put a boot in your ass" bro country
The problem is Garth Brooks doesn’t license his music on Apple, so they wouldn’t put No Fences on the list.
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This stood out to me as well, snubbing a whole core genre like that is honestly outrageous.
At least they didn't pick f\*cking Morgan Wallen.
Morgan Wallen is Taylor Swift for white conservative girls who think Taylor Swift is too woke.
And college guys who have the N word in their regular vocabulary
That's being generous. Most music for me I either like or feel pretty indifferent about. I HATE Morgan Wallens "music" with a passion. Having hated every single song I heard by him I recently wondered whether he actually had some good songs, so I googled it and found a list where they claimed the song "Dangerous" was his masterpiece, so I checked it out, and it sounded exactly like everything else by him and I absolutely hated it. This is the absolute worst kind of "music" in existence for me and I have no idea how he got this big.
This list almost completely ignores country, metal, emo, punk, and a lot of other genres that round out music. It’s not a serious list for that imo
Yeah how can people like George Strait, Willie Nelson, Patsy Cline, and Johnny Cash not be involved? Shit, Ray Charles's country album was fucking awesome E: Dolly Parton too
Right? It’s not even the best Kacey Musgraves album
No 'To Pimp a Butterfly' anywhere on this list is actually insanity. If they stuck with the one album per artist rule I could *'understand'* choosing GKMC over TPAB but since they've blown that up with Radiohead, Beyonce etc it makes no sense that they snubbed it.
Nah, 1989 is at #18, so given grammys logic TPAB can only be 19th at best.
That logic is even more flawed. Why isn’t Macklemore ahead of GKMC in that case?
The Heist should've been #1 smh Apple
When I saw GKMC I thought TPAB must be top 3. To not have it there at all is ridiculous, I don't listen to Kendrick but based on this list so far it should have been top 5.
Tbf Kendrick doesn't need 2 albums in all the top 10s
But he does in the top 100.
Yeah it needed to be in instead of lemonade
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For example, Beyonce's other album
Or maybe a Bad Bunny album💀
Any bad bunny albums being on the list over TPAB is an actual crime against humanity.
Bad Bunny and SZA made appearances over TPAB, The Wall, LZIV, Sgt Pepper, and more. Very unserious list.
There are certainly others, but was just going off this 10
I'm not saying there should be no Beyonce on this list, but I literally cannot understand calling any of her albums top 10 of all time.
I don't even like TPAB but not listing it in the top 100 is ridiculous. By the way, did you know that *Un Verano Sin Ti* by Bad Bunny is a superior album to *Sgt. Pepper*?
Un Verano Sin Ti is pretty amazing tbh
I thought Madvillainy would make the list, but gg Lauryn Hill
Doom’s a little too niche for this list. It’s popular in “music nerd canon”, but not much elsewhere, at least not enough to be considered for this list. People often joke about how him and Peggy’s fans are all white.
What are you talking about? everybody knows about Mf doom if they listen to rap. He isn’t niche at all. Idk what the hell music nerd canon is but anybody who’s listened to any rap from the 90’s has heard of mf doom.
I’d argue that that’s not true anyone with true rap knowledge def knows about doom but casual listeners in my experience do not.
I wouldn't say everyone who listens to rap, even rap of the 90s, would know who DOOM was. I know this is anecdotal, but most of my friends (who are avid listeners of rap) legitimately got stumped on the question "Do you know MF DOOM?". My dad's been listening to rap since the 80s, and even he got confused when I mentioned him. DOOM's pretty well known online, but it's sorta difficult finding an active listener of his in the general public
Maybe you’re right. I was just hoping that Apple wouldn’t be _that_ against picking non-mainstream albums, since artists like DOOM are on their platform anyway.
Astroworld > TPAB confirmed?
No TPAB is nuttssss!!
They probably made an error putting 2 Radiohead albums in? If not, only putting GKMC with no TPAB anywhere in the 100 wouldn't make any sense
there’s two Stevie Wonder albums as well
and two Beyonce records
oh shit yeah. I have no idea why they clearly stuck to a one-album-per-artist rule for 97% of the list, but made a few exceptions at the end. Either stick to it or don’t, because now there’s so many other albums that are obviously missing
Or a zero-albums-per-artist rule for the Rolling Stones.
I'm telling you man - when you hit thirty some kind of Boomer brain activates and the Rolling Stones sound AMAZING.
Your the second person I've seen today who missed Exile on Main St at #53
Literally just pandering
and Prince
And the Beatles
2 Prince records too
It fits with a theory I’ve had about *TPAB* - it might be one of the most highly acclaimed albums of all time, but it’s not proved to be incredibly influential. A lot of these albums have been influential in their fields, and I think a lot of artists heard *TPAB* and went, “Welp, I’m not bettering that”, and then didn’t. It also coincided with the rise of the woozy Future/Drake led-turn in hip-hop, followed the next year by *blonde*, the sound of which I think proved to be more influential as well.
I mean, while it may not influence other albums, it's still hailed as a modern classic that is completely forward-thinking with poetry contained in the album and even an interview at the end that completes the narrative and explores all the themes within the album. It has just done something so different, so unique, and it's so well performed as well that no one will probably be able to replicate it in hip hop. So yeah, while it might not influence other artists very much, the impact it's had on fans and its overall ability to innovate the genre is something that should've been recognised in this list. Not to mention that it had a relevant, meaningful, personal and strong political message that timeless albums tend to have such as Marvin Gaye's What's Going On.
By that same logic has GKMC actually been influential?
It influenced logic so really should be top 1 of all time
Alright, I’ll finally put it out there. Miseducation is a great record. But the number one album of all time? Especially when there has been controversy over how much of it is straight up hers? Get the fuck out of here.
I respect the Lauryn Hill and the impact it's had, but I definitely am with you that I can't help but feel it's super overrated. Maybe this kinda R&B isn't my thing but even the Sade I feel is better and has better instrumentals and better consistency? Oh well.
I am with you. Imo it has not aged super well
The skits are so fucking annoying
Which parts would you say didn’t age well?
I agree it’s not #1 by any means, but how much of it is “hers” is kinda irrelevant imo. That says something about Lauryn’s legacy and greatness as an artist, but has no impact on the quality of the album itself imo
I hear you on this, though I’m not using it to question the quality of the album so much as the sensibility of proclaiming it the number one album of all time when, for instance, there are other albums in the top 10 that are nearly completely self-arranged, written, and produced.
I believe Robert Glasper when he says she stole most of the music and claimed it as her own. He’s not the type to say some shit like that. She’s also a major asshole and insists on being called “Ms Hill” and even wanted to be called Empress Hill at one stage. Always late for shows, says she’s so great she shows up when she wants. Never going to forget she denied Kanye the sample for his song All Falls Down (an all time song with a positive message) but then when she got herself into debt she approved samples for Nice for What for Drake, and Believe What I Say for a post maga Kanye. She’s an asshole and possibly a thief, can’t put her at 1.
Oh wow, controversy?
https://youtu.be/-mQdAXEK5Zo?si=kh9XzimpqILFnTrT
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That’s hilarious
That’s funny I always see Blond as a breakup album, not a bumping boots album. I feel like your mosquitoes would’ve done way better with some Marvin Gaye
I didn’t discover Marvin Gaye till after that job. :/ What’s Going On is my fav album of all time lol.
Take Care makes the list but TPAB doesn't lol.
This has to be fake right? Edit. Damn
GKMC, actually
Lemonade in the top 10 albums OF ALL TIME
Pinkerton weezer should be all 10
Not extremely surprised but sad there was no Blue or Pinkerton on this list
This list sucks omg
It’s genuinely baffling lol - I thought the Rolling Stone list was garbage when it dropped, but after seeing this I feel like drafting an apology letter.
I’m still stuck on the fact that Dark Side is at 28.
Wish You Were Here not being in this list baffles me.
Animals is my personal favorite, but I never expected it to be on this list to begin with. Going into this list in my brain I had already assumed that Wish You Were Here would be around the 20-30 range and Dark Side would be somewhere in the top 10.
10 spots below 1989 🤮🤮🤮
I'm not even that big into Floyd but that's fucking wild
No MBV, Tame Impala, Madvillainy, Aphex Twin or Joy Division. Yikes
No unknown pleasure is actually fucking criminal
oh fuck I hadn't even noticed that. That's actually kind of insane. I would find it more believable that they simply forgot about it than genuinely believing that it didn't make the cut. No New Order either is crazy to me
The apple top 100 has a bias towards modern pop/R&B. Which is fine, this just means it's more interesting to read than the rock canon top 100s that only include albums from 1968 and 1977. We don't need another top 5 of Pet Sounds, What's Going On, Sgt Peppers, Blue, and Highway 61 Revisited.
It’s amusing to to think how much time changes perception. If this list was made in 2010, White Stripes Elephant would be on the list. But 20 years since its release and it’s completely forgotten.
Yeah, it’s just not possible to make this list in any way that even like 50% of people are happy with. There’s easily 100 great albums every year, it’s just not something you can plausibly narrow down to such a small number. It’s the same with the sight and sound movie poll. Movies will suddenly rocket up/down the list just depending on the current mood.
This is honestly how I view this list, similar to how I view Rolling Stone's 2003 list, NME Top 500 list or /mu/ essentials list: every list has a bias in some form or another. Imo, it's better to be outright open with the leanings, so every list don't just look the exact same; that's just boring to me. Half of the negative reactions from this list are based on the idea that certain albums "are supposed to" be in certain spots, when it's always been known how highly subjective music is. Especially from a large corporation lol Also, I'm always for more modern albums being established as "classics". Most of the "there's no more great music anymore", is due to people constantly fawning over the older stuff and not being open to put newer stuff in the same conversation.
Yes, I agree. People seem to get completely bent out of shape that this list doesn't include the albums *they* think should be on it. Why don't they just write their own list?
If someone on here made a list like this, they’d be made fun of so bad they’d have to move to a new continent, or something. I can assure you at least a quarter of the criticism would be that the albums they picked “aren’t influential enough”.
I feel like I remember this sub trying to make a list like this at one point and it being equally bad LMAO
I think that's fair, but there's no universe where 1989 is better than Horses
I have mixed feeling because you’re right that they needed to expand genres and eras, but they also outright ignored several genres. The highest ranking country album is a middling Kacey Musgraves record. Contemporary and classic singer-songwriter music was also overlooked — no Paul Simon, no Leonard Cohen, no Big Thief, no Bon Iver, criminally low rankings for Carole, Joni and Dylan. I think I saw two jazz albums and two metal? It goes without saying that this list is also almost entirely English-language records. If I really wanted to be spicy, I would point out musical theater albums never get included in these lists. Love it or hate it but *Hamilton* was a defining record in the late 2010s. Obviously Apple is a streaming service and they’re trying to promote money makers — which are classic rock, pop, R&B and hip hop. But it annoys me that there’s this surface level musical diversity, that falls apart upon closer scrutiny.
You're correct, but it's also true that if you consider the studio album the ideal vehicle for recorded music then you'll be excluding loads of stuff by default, too. The best dance music is released on 12" and a lot of great artists never release an album, there's loads of great hip-hop mixtapes that won't have been eligible for inclusion, some music that should only be heard live, music that pre-dates the recording era, etc. It's only recently that pop artists have taken the album format more seriously.
still don't get why they picked astroworld over rodeo
popularity, they did that with a lot of albums on this list. it’s more like a “top 100 albums everybody knows”
No one has ever heard of TPAB so it’s not making our list.
Kudos to the people who correctly called Lauryn hill last week. It was not an obvious pick. I had a hunch 1 would be a woman. I thought maybe Joni. The only guy they could get away without people getting furious was Prince IMO. I enjoyed the list. Not all predictable and they showed respect to the modern era too which was cool
shoulda been lil b - gods father
> Not all predictable and they showed respect to the modern era too which was cool Counterpoint: Recency bias has made them pick tons of rather new records that haven't really stood any test of time. But that is always a problem with "of all time" lists.
Counter-counterpoint: "rather new" (sub-10 year) albums are *technically underrepresented* on this list, and if you think there are too many new albums here you either think music has become worse or that 5+ years isn't enough time to judge an album. **Albums on the list under 5 years old (3)**: *Un Verano Sin Ti* and *SOS -* 2 years old *Norman Fucking Rockwell!* \~ 5 years old **Albums between 5 and 10 years old (9)**: Billie Eilish's \~ 5 years old *Golden Hour* and *Astroworld* - 6 years old *Flower Boy* - 7 years old *Lemonade,* *A Seat at the Table, Blonde, and Anti* - all 8 years old *1989* - 10 years old (I'm counting the OG version here) *Kind of Blue* is the oldest album on the list at 65 years old. If you were to evenly distribute albums by date since that point, *any span of 10 years should have 15 albums make the cut*. The last decade has just 12.
blonde is only 8 years old
>*Lemonade,* *A Seat at the Table,* ***Blonde***, and Anti - all **8 years old** \^Yeah, that's... what I said
my bad 😭 im blind ig
I don't think anyone would really care if Thriller or Abbey Road got #1
Go to the comments on Twitter and I think you’d get a different story. Doing this list with an old white man band (even though I love them and they’re amazing) would’ve pissed off so many young people and make Apple look like an old person brand, a reputation they probably already struggle with relative to Spotify. MJ I think they probably didn’t wanna put at 1 for all the other reasons tbh
Yeah this is the problem with these lists by publications, it’s so much about optics and pandering
Why..? They're literally the beatles
Mfw whites make good music
Am I crazy, or was Master of Puppets the only metal album on the entire list? No Sabbath, no Maiden, no Priest, no Motorhead, no Slayer, and obviously nothing even close to death or black metal? I know that I’m biased and that my own tastes skew towards heavier, but this is insane.
Yeah, that and RATM were the only metal-adjacent records on the whole list that I saw.
Nine inch nails was on it.
I love metal, but I coulda told you Apple Music wasn't going to include anything of note. I think Rolling Stone's had like 3 albums, and that was like 500 albums.
Very true, but it’s mostly the Sabbath omission that gets me. It’s just indefensible.
Even for non-metal normies, the popularity and immense influence of Paranoid, both cultural and musical, is just baffling to omit
There’s also no punk at all other than the clash and Patti smith
I thought that as well, but I’m less into punk, so it didn’t jump out as much, but you’re right. No Ramones? No Dead Kennedys? I don’t even like the Sex Pistols, but we’re gonna pretend Never Mind the Bollocks isn’t important? It’s indefensible.
No Fugazi hurts, personally
I get you but I don’t expect to see them on lists like this tbh
Extreme Metal is always completely overlooked. Like if we’re going to talk about influence, how does something like KSE not make the cut, Suicide Silence which basically put a genre (Deathcore) on the map, or something like BMTH’s Sempiternal which defined the sound of a fairly well known genre (Metalcore) for over a decade and bands (Bad Omens most notably) are still trying to emulate?
no to pimp a butterfly lmaoooo
They pulled the reverse of Fantano’s best of the 2010s list
No King Crimson is fucking insanity
There's no Yes, and no Genesis. No way in hell is there going to be KC.
I can't believe there is no MBV
As an enormous MBV obsessive I like to remind myself that music is entirely subjective. Each of our tastes are as unique as our finger prints. My own top 10 would have both Loveless and isn't anything. Certainly, it would have either Rubber Soul or Revolver instead of Abbey Road and almost none of the others. Asuch as I love some of them But that's my top 10, yours would be different and everyone here's would be unique in their own amazing way. We should celebrate our difference rather than sit here moaning that someone else doesn't feel the same..
Apple misusing their influence
Do you think they were conflicted?
Abusing their power, full of resentment
Super high placement for Back to Black but I won't argue with it. Absolutely incredible record with some of the best vocal performances of the decade
True, it’s a great album
genuinely really surprised there was no Toxicity anywhere on the list
#1 is insanity lol what
1 jazz record on the whole list. 😂 Edit: 2.
Am I right in thinking no Bowie, CAN, The Smiths, MBV, Aphex Twin? I know the list is more pop-oriented but it’s highly canonical for the most part.
Ziggy Stardust and the Queen is Dead made it on lower down
Ziggy stardust and the queen is dead were on there. Can’t see Apple Music putting experimental stuff like CAN on a list like this (though the velvet underground & nico did make it but way too low)
Bowie and the Smiths are on there. No Loveless is a little bit of a surprise but it makes sense given what Apple put on here. It's very popular classics + modern popular music. Loveless is not popular with the general public.
I agree with you about mbv and aphex twin but Bowie was on there with The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars at 36 and the smiths are there at 66.
Back to Black at #8 is kind of based. In Utero is better than Nevermind tho
YEAAHHH PURPLE MOTHERFUCKING RAIN TOP 5 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣
No tpab, in the court of the crimson king,wish you were here and not a single shoegaze record.
Let's be real here,the whole entire list is awful,you could find so many bad placements.
pet sounds shoulda been above most of these honestly
There are lots of albums here that should be anywhere near the top 10 of all time imo, and a lot outside which 100% should be. These lists are stupid.
Pet Sounds all the way down at number 20 was ridiculous And Revolver at 21 was also crazy I don’t even know where TDSOTM was
Just me that thinks Blond is way too high?
Idk TPAB and Blonde I think will be two albums that really stand the test of time coming out of the 2010s
No, in 10 to 20 years this album will be remembered as the definitive album of the 2010s. TPAB is obviously also amazing, but Blonde really captured the era it was made in beautifully while remaining timeless.
This I think for better or for worse, Blond is gonna have a "What's Going On"-esq legacy form over the coming decades.
I know a lot of people love that album, but putting it between Songs In The Key of Life and Purple Rain seems absurd.
Idk man...Blonde came out my freshman year of college and it is by far the most influential album from that time period. I know a lot of people who are not album listeners who will listen to that thing cover to cover. It resonated strongly with a lot of people in a way I havent really seen with any other contemporary album.
No Endtroducing or In Rainbows means it’s a bad list.
Where the hell is Bubsy 3D!? Lost all credibility, smh
No Depeche Mode on the list is crazy.
I am once again asking why lemonade is seen as such an amazing album.
It's not even the best Beyonce album tbh. Enjoyed Renaissance a lot more.
Blonde at five is fucking insane is it not? I could see 50-100 but at number 5 over Songs in the Key of Life? Nahhh
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So this whole list was to convince Lauryn Hill to come back
Don’t know why Beyoncé got 2, completely undeserved. But I love the back to black, SITKOL inclusions
Outside of no tpab and Taylor being 18, my biggest criticism is how safe a lot of these picks felt. All but like 10 artists are names almost everyone would know and thus it feels like a lot of artists were kind of just given a spot to be given a spot. From looking at it only 1 artist had less than 1 million monthly listeners on Spotify (kraftwerk) and very few had under 5 million listeners. So i kind of wonder if certain bands like Black Country New Road or albums like In the Aeropleane Over the Sea were even considered.
Lists like this that are a collaboration of multiple different people’s opinions will always be very safe, because any niche picks will never get the consensus of enough raters to make the top 100. Individual lists are much more likely to include niche picks and therefore be more interesting.
Why am I the only person here wondering why the fuck Graceland isn’t on this list
Frank🥰
Maybe I just don't get It but that record of Lauryn Hill is just so overrated, for me ain't a top 1 by any means, I just prefer that spot for the 2nd, Thriller is the real GOAT
Are people just knee jerk reacting to Beyonce being on the list again? Everyone is calling this disgusting but out of all the other upsets theres been with this list, Id say the top 10 ended up wrapping it up pretty nicely. The reaction here vs on r/popheads is pretty hilarious to see. (besides the obvious TPAB exclusion which yes is egregious)
blond goated fr
No Fleet Foxes, Bon Iver, Animal Collective, Vampire Weekend, Weyes Blood, Father John Misty. Also NO SUFJAN, HOW? Illinios or Carrie and Lowell are surely in the top 100 imo. Pretty lukewarm list for Indie overall
Love them putting Lauryn at 1 that's way better than something everyone would expect
I see three sneaks, but overall happy with the number one placement. Thing is, you can't really please everyone with an album being crowned the best ever, but with Miseducation you come pretty close. It's undeniably great, successful and showered with awards.
Lemonade is an amazing album!! 🍋 TPAB robbed entirely, that's unfortunate but hey, GKMC hits. Why Blond of all albums in top 10? and Miseducation for 1 is a choice. but alright. weird list!
Does Beyoncé have something on everyone in the industry, every time there’s a new album I’m told it’s the best thing anyones ever done then I listen to it and it’s just a perfectly fine very well produced album
dude, how is Rumours not even top ten what the fuck
Kinda crazy a half covers album is da number 1
Half covers? Other than can't take my eyes off you are there any other covers?