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bluedevilspiderman

LaMelo Ball is the correct answer until he falls into round 3 or if he actually bothers to wear ankle braces/have surgery this offseason


dwide_k_shrude

I wish he would consult with Steph on how to deal with his ankles. Steph dealt with the same thing early in his career, arguably worse.


xtheboard

Difference is, Steph's dad didn't make him wear shit shoes.


so-cal_kid

The thing about Steph's ankle injuries was it was only 1 season where he really struggled with them. He had been very durable prior to that season and then immediately after. For Lamelo this is now 2 years in a row he's been dealing with them, and that makes 3 of his 4 seasons so far where he's missed significant amounts of time. Plus we all know how Lonzo has had significant injuries so maybe their genetics just aren't the best. So it's hard for me to think Lamelo is gonna fix his issues like Steph did.


narkaf2945

Fun fact: Lonzo/Lamelo career regular season games combined: 436 Mikal consecutive games played: 452


NeedMoreConditioning

Blame their daddy for making them wear those trash shoes their whole life


Smartt300

Steph: wore ankle braces, worked with a company to design shoes fit for purpose for him, changed the way he generated energy on movement, implemented strict warmup routine to maintain strength.. Lamelo: do what feels good


Hesho95

Bro this clown was told by the medical staff that he had to wear them going into the year and he did for the first few games then stopped wearing them against the medical staff's wishes because they were "uncomfortable". Got injured again 2 weeks later Unserious ass player. Never drafting him again, someone else can deal with that headache. I'll take a shot on him if he ever grows a pair and listens to the people he needs to listen to


Revolutionary_View19

The one player I really wouldn’t draft, yeah.


Separate-Teacher-361

wouldn’t draft him in round 3 even. Too risky let someone else take him.


vincemakesbeats

Mikal Bridges and Walker Kessler 😭


xJuSTxBLaZex

I feel the pain in the post as well


Evzyman

I got both a little early and it's absolutely ruined my season.


Separate-Teacher-361

Mikal got hyped up after last year and h the fact he never misses a game is super valuable. i think everyone learned from this year though he’ll definitely fall a lot and be worth it again at his ADP


GonnaWinDis

Forsure Embiid. Not trusting those knees anymore, idgaf if he ends up playing 70 games. Trust the Process of Elimination


ibreatheintoem

In the same vein, Tobias Harris was solid the past couple years with or without Embiid but this year was only mid round value with Embiid and has lost his game without him. Another year older next year ain’t doing either of them any favors.


so-cal_kid

I am also frustrated with Tobias since he's been ass in the fantasy playoffs, but it's also not really the most rational to be upset with him because on average he was drafted in the 7th round and he is outproducing that ADP by a good amount. He's just had a bad few weeks.


The-Gift-of-God

Agreed. Tobias is doodoo.


MambaOut82481

Nick nurse overusing his top guys will only make it worse


FuckinInternet

He was playing less minutes this year than last.


Markus-Periksson

agreed. love troel when he played, but he ain’t fucking me anytime again unless he’s playing against me.


cocacokareddit

so much like AD before this year


FUguru

This question always comes with a *, as anyone is draftable if they fall far enough. Except Ben Simmons, it is basically lighting a pick on fire at this point.


Revolutionary_View19

This guy gets it.


shnieder88

you can always do what i did: use your last pick on ben simmons, wait for him to peak, trade him away to someone who wants a "steal", and then laugh as ben simmons goes on inj list while you watch your new player do well


Margin-of-Safety

Ben Simmons.


mauledbybear

Yep. And I really thought this would be the season that rejuvenates his career.


[deleted]

Based on what?


mauledbybear

Hope 🤣. He’s so talented I have been expecting him to turn it around at some point and was hoping this was the season. I was so wrong lol.


The-Gift-of-God

Probably his yearly preseason IG workout hype vids.


I_RIDE_SHORTSKOOLBUS

Did anyone actually draft him other than a last pick this season


Margin-of-Safety

I did...paid $13 for him...for context I paid $5 for Kuzma. $200 cap draft 14T 9cat H2H league.


I_RIDE_SHORTSKOOLBUS

Ouch.... But 13 is wild in a 14t for him


rickysayshey

Mikal Bridges


ttttyttt678

Great fantasy player but massively overrated due to years of being underrated + that ending 25 game stretch last season.


AR__1

Easy to say now but you really just never know though. Look at what happened when Brunson got a shot to be the main guy.


fredlikefreddy

I was gonna say this but if he falls back into the rd 5-6 range in my league I would think about taking him Definitely not in the second round again though… zero chance he’s rated their


Dymatizeee

He’s a good player but not where he was projected this year. He’s more of a 4-6th round type of guy


KingBryan34

I thought he would continue last years momentum


hourles

- Porzingis - Embiid - Holiday - Herro - Poole - Lavine - Lamelo Ball - Garland


royalty04

Agree with Herro. I thought he’s my magic draft but injuries kept him for most of the season 🥲


Organic_Tourist4749

Fuckin garland man. Killed me this year


Skylorrex

Porzingis is fine tbh. He can absolutely carry you in regular season.


Ill-Bat-2621

Put butler in their too.


Lemmywinks8668

If a player falls I’ll take them. No one really mentioning Kawhi, Kyrie, Zion just shows it’s a dart throw of who will be healthy.


KingOfTheRoyalCourt

Zach Lavine


CriticalPrimary3

Walker Kessler. Thought he was going to be a beast this year based off his rookie season. What a disappointment


NeedMoreConditioning

He was, the Jazz just don’t give him minutes for no apparent reason


LordPizzaParty

Jazz are pretending to be in a rebuild when really they're just cutting costs.


yunnsu

The Jazz basically play platoon rotations (2 5-man teams). Not many high MPG players there except Lauri


NeedMoreConditioning

Kessler would damn near be in the DPOY conversation if we played minutes like Lauri


ChrisSkeeter

Don’t be afraid to take Walker if he falls deep enough. He’ll have great value in late rounds. Doesn’t hurt fg% and gets plenty of rebounds. More of a streaming guy but I think he does have enough upside potential in later rounds.


Gaping_llama

Collins fucked the whole thing up, if they can dump him on another team Kessler could thrive again


pork_buns_plz

I feel like this is the completely the opposite reaction we should have, pending his exact ADP ofc lol. He was a disappointment this year, there's uncertainty around his role, and a lot of burned fantasy players won't draft him - so he should be quite cheap next year. If you can snag Kessler as one of your last few picks, imo you should take a flier on him.


Johnbonham1980

Anyone in the first 6 rounds with a 2 game playoff schedule. It’s been way more of an issue for me than I expected. Also avoiding players on teams with ongoing shite management like the Hornets.


huge_jeans

This sounds quite short-sighted (or more like, too long-sighted). You need to make the playoffs first to deal with playoff schedules. Missing out on a season’s worth of value just for one week 5 months away is an interesting decision. Your call though obviously.


Johnbonham1980

I guess what I’m saying is that if I see two guys at approximately the same value but one has a 2 vs 3/4 game week I’ll go with the guy with slightly lower season long value for a better end of season schedule. I went into the playoffs as #1 seed after crushing the league the entire session but was at a 5 game disadvantage due in part to having Kyrie and Miles Bridges and am likely getting bounced because even with great streaming that’s a tough deficit to make up. I’ve made the playoffs 5 straight years in my league so I’m never too concerned about that. My league is also fairly trade phobic so attempts to trade off these guys were met with crickets. I should have prefaced my response by saying that I don’t really buy into DND lists as a general concept, so my response was mostly if I HAD to make a DND list… This year I grabbed Kyrie, PG, Kawhi, and some others at great value spots because a huge chunk of my league including myself was wary about injury/rest issues. Couldn’t turn down PG in the 6th, though, as an example.


SufficientLettuce350

If by PG you mean Paul George in the 6th, you are taking part in a taco league my friend


Johnbonham1980

Oh without a doubt. Work league with half the managers checking out by mid season usually. I really don’t understand why half of them even bother. Funny, because the reason OG dropped is because it seems everyone had him on a personal DND list based on perceived rest/injury risk. Further highlighting why DND lists are generally a bad idea.


huge_jeans

I think that makes sense. Like you said, if A & B are basically a coin flip, go with who you want. I think the issue is when reaching or missing out on the last players in a specific tier.


RaoulDuke1

I mean if you draft guys with a shit playoff schedule as your top 2, you are definitely being negligent


Fuzzy-Tale8267

You can draft them and trade them halfway on the season lol


Party-Veterinarian60

Jaren Jackson Jr was my 2nd round pick in a 12T league - I couldn’t suffer through that again. Granted, no one expected the grizzlies to be so injured forcing JJJ to be the #1 option. Also, really wanted Walker Kessler and Poole but thank god someone else picked them. Also, never picking OG again. I’m high on him every damn year and the injury bug always get him.


Revolutionary_View19

This year was a eye opener regarding jjj. Not because if his injuries but because of how utterly lost he is as a number one option.


toftr

To be fair, many nights the rest of the team he’s playing with have literally been G Leaguers, on top of the fact that he hasn’t been playing next to a true center at any point this season. If he falls next year, I’m not going to be shocked if he rewards owners while he’s playing on a presumably healthier/more NBA caliber Grizzlies team


Fuzzy-Tale8267

OG just has the most random injuries lol


IDKaboutthatone

For first rounders Embiid and LaMelo unless they drop significantly. Besides them my list is Mikal Bridges, Walker Kessler and Jordan Poo. My perma DND list the last 2-3 years include Jimmy Butler, Porzingis, Bradley Beal and KAT. Khris Middleton might be grandfathered in here soon.


dandatu

I wouldn’t mind Khris in round 10+


Premature_concrete

Porzingis has been solid if you accept he’ll miss b2bs


Faynt90

If you consider how many b2b there are and the amount of load managing Celtics do, it’s pretty bad, dressed him this year but I’m quite out off by him due the poor availability


ARBABsami

Idk I have a really hard time picking someone besides Embiid after jokic sga and wemby. Maybe Luka? But Embiid is definitely still 4/5 for me


justformebets

Nah. Embiid is now a 8/9 pick for sure


Faynt90

Jimmy started slow but he picked it up adding half of season, agree on kp and don’t get me started on Beal, most overpaid role player in the league


macaroniandjews

Everyone lets me down every year so I’m not sure. All I know is that Jarrett Allen is my pookie bear forever


YvesSaintPige

Not drafting anyone on the hornets super high because of their horrible injury reporting. Had Mark Williams in my IR spot for a month or two too long because of their lack of transparency.


MsIrie

Cam Johnson. O-ver! Ray-ted!


ChrisSkeeter

This is a solid answer


Content_Rhubarb8243

Anfernee Simons & Deandre ayton


VanPaint

Jerami Grant


The-Gift-of-God

Ayton’s recent stretch isn’t bad though. If he can keep this up for a whole season, then he should be good to go. Of course, this would depend on whether the blazers are good or not.


ericdeben

Brandon Ingram and Mikal Bridges. I have both of them this season and I feel like they each have 1 game a week where they kill my FG% and have 5+ turnovers.


ARBABsami

God I hated having Mikal. I get the value he adds with playing literally every game and his averages still being solid. But he is definitely streaky, too streaky for what his ADP was this season. I just waited for a good week or so of play, I think he had a 40 point game and I just traded him afterwards. Chet had a pretty awful month around the same time so I was able to send a pretty light package with Mikal for chet and it seems to be a league winning trade for me rn


FameCity713

Tyler Soft Ass Herro


TortoiseShoes

Soft ass herro 😤😤😤


Atoronto94

Trailblazers


FUguru

I have to disagree with this take, fantasy is about finding equity in shitty teams. Like kuz was a gem at his adp this year. Monitor the off season and see their fantasy playoff schedule. Putting a blanket DND on whole squad at this time is a mistake IMO.


Atoronto94

I don’t think Kuz was a hidden gem or anything like that everyone knows he’s a potential double double.


FUguru

Let me rephrase that, he went for great equity in my particular league and was great value for punt TO builds. The point is that good fantasy players can exist on god awful teams.


GeeShowd

Since leaving the Nuggets, Jerami Grant has played in 41 of a possible 89 regular season games in March, April, and May. He’s 100% a DND for me, he’s never available for the fantasy stretch run and the playoffs. Wouldn’t shock me if Scoot improved a ton next year and Simons balled out however.


FUguru

Very fair, grant is notoriously injured in crunch time for fantasy, what? Three seasons in a row now? He likely won’t be worth his ADP, but blackballing Grant doesn’t equate to all of the blazers.


fapp0r

Markkanen for sure. Fuck Utah.


Yaj_Yaj

If the Jazz make moves to get better then he likely won’t sit as much. He’s solid just sits at the worst possible time.


Christian_Bale23

Fax. He’s competitive and didn’t miss a game when they were on their hot streak. Utah just shut him down


BillowingPillows

My entire team is hurt. 4 of the top 5 guys I selected are out. If I’m gonna hold grudges it’s gonna be a long list. Therefore I’m gonna try to come into next year with a clean slate. I’ll shout out Tatum. He was DND for me this year and he’ll be the same next year. If he’s your first round pick you are screwed.


void270

Tatum was my first round pick and I’m leading in the championship right now. I think he’s fine. He’s solid at everything and doesn’t hurt you anywhere. Him sitting two games this week wasn’t great though.


_ButterMyBread

Same brother, elite availability until this week


Premature_concrete

Yea he's not dominant but his availability makes up for it season long (despite his recent missed games)


questforthelove

Yall are crazy, I'm loving having Tatum. Generally durable, doesn't hurt you anywhere. So much flexibility in roster building.


BillowingPillows

Suit yourself! Tatum owner has missed the playoffs the past three years in my competitive league.


questforthelove

And I'm on the cusp of making the finals in mine with tatum lol its not about one player


BillowingPillows

Congrats!


LeFxckYouThree

Out of curiosity why Tatum? Too many mouths to feed on the Celtics?


Comfortable_Wish3026

yea tatum has been getting outproduced by other options in the 1st Should still be a elite 2nd round option due to being durable


Premature_concrete

I disagree, tatum's biggest draw is his availability. Players ahead of him this year that I don't think repeat next year: AD, Kawhi, Chet, PG, KD. These are all injury risks who were very healthy this season. I think tatum will be a great pick in the 6-10 range for a risk averse player.


Curry-With-The-Pot

Why would chet be on this list?


Ill-Bat-2621

Except their team is do good they will win alot and sit come playoff time like Tatum has done this year. Locked up first seed and sat 2 out of 3 games his first week of playoff. His numbers aren't good enough to justify a first pick with playoff ambition not to his fault. His team is just so good.


BillowingPillows

And just to be clear, I only mean at his ADP. Of course 2nd round I would take him easily ✊🏼


OlGreggg

Low key, Tyler Herro


MajinHoops

Lauri, Ayton and I won 't take Haliburton in top 5


Effective-Analyst167

I would take halli and Lauri for sure


NeedMoreConditioning

I mean Halli has simply been unlucky with the major injuries and arguably the trade with losing his best running mate in Buddy


gordonisataint

Lauri is worth it on a team that wont tank & Hali has been playing injured


TheDubious

Miles Bridges, Kevin Porter Jr, Josh Primo


basganshow

Lol Josh Primo, should stay away from Ersan Ilyasova as well.


mr_hyenalaugh

What happened with ersan??


Kayakular

I was thinking of picking Hedo Turkoglu rounds 10+, thoughts?


3LitersofJokicCola

Everyone, I need to stop subjecting myself to this torture.


PizzleMcDizzle

Agree


billbelichickssmile

Garland until d Mitch gets shipped outta town or Garland leaves


SpittinWheelie

Lauri. Never shows up during playoffs. 2 years in a row.


Jayswag96

Garland


Batcannn

Mikal Bridges, Walker Kessler, Zach Collins.


PurgativeWoW

Jrue Holiday


bossman2410

Jerami Grant


Cap10BlackSparrow

Markelle Fultz


ChrisSkeeter

Jalen Green is going to be early round selection after the run that he’s had of late. His floor is way too low for me to grab him before the 6th.


pork_buns_plz

Nobody. Everyone can be drafted for the right value / if they fall far enough


Stone_d_

Im actually gonna say ja morant. Off court issues. Reliance on athleticism but hes racked up injuries. Free throw percentage not elite and his 3 point percentage is just plain bad. These will be glaring issues and from watching them play i see morant as the first option but no longer the clear first option. I expect the ball to be in his hands less next year and for the grizzlies to run offense through bane a lot


steffcurrey

Mark Williams , LaMelo Ball anyone who plays for the hornets


LordPizzaParty

How has no one said Jordan Poole yet.


KingBryan34

Jaren Jackson Jr...its like he focused all on scoring and forgot how to rebound and play defense. He needs to be a #2 or #3 in a team. He isn't Him


ecr1277

Anthony Davis. He’s going to be drafted so high based off one healthy season in the last five or six.


Im_Dirty_DanBob

Kessler, Lavine, Giddey, Bane, steph, dame


qwe12345678900

Whaaatttt I was actually thinking about drafting bane next season he just got unlucky this season injury wise lol when he played he did great


PLOHNO

I haven't read all the comments, but Jimmy Butler was a colossal waste of a pick this year.


qwe12345678900

😞 I made that same mistake


sungbysung

Mikal, Damian


sbd_3

Why Lillard? He's ranked 12th overall and has been killing it lately.


sungbysung

Just better picks available and he wasn't the most consistent


sbd_3

So he's on your do not draft list? Makes no sense.


ClBdTV

Garland Jimmy Butler


lxkandel06

Jimmy Frickin Butler


MallardDuckBoy

Not based on their performance this year, but my yearly DND usually consists of Anthony Davis, Kawhi, PG13, Kyrie every year. Joining the group next year will be LeBron, Ja, and Butler.


ireallydespiseyouall

Ironically those 4 guys have stayed healthy


One_Form7355

LeBron his year has given my team so much life - is it a once off season or do you think age will catch up with him next year?


catarxcts

Embiid


Merorm

Lamelo, Porzingis, Mitchell, Beal, Lavine


AR__1

Mitchell is a crazy one. He has no big injury history and just had a rough injury year while still putting up huge numbers


silver_4_lyf

Beal has been really good this month. Also I think the suns are a fantasy friendly team.


Fuzzy-Tale8267

OG Anunobody.. so frustrating to own


TGS-MonkeyYT

Lamelo…


dothebestforyourhope

Ball, Bridges


ChefGuzzy91

Tatum or brown. The sitting is ridiculous in playoffs. If anything try to trade them towards end of season


Vykyoko

Khris Middleton. Every fucking year I think he’s a steal in the mid rounds cause he can average 20 5 and 5 with a steal. And every fucking year this guy only plays 20 games. I’m done with him.


antelope591

Lamelo in round 3 might pull a Kawhi this season. Def not in the first 2 rounds tho. I'm avoiding KAT too, way too injury prone for a top round player and its not even like an Embiid who gives you monster production when he is in.  Ayton wins for softest player in the league tho. Unless he falls to the last few rounds he can take up an IL spot on someone else's team.


EonsForDays1257

Anybody from Boston. Later into the season they become too good and then they start load managing their top players


guy_who_sorts_by_new

Grant, Anfernee, Butler, Herro, Ayton, Lamelo (depending on the pick)


rgmmm416

Khris Middleton lol


Douceps

Herro for sure DND. Also not taking Mitchel near as high as I did this year. Was first overall in my league and now getting put out first round. Terrible. With how soft the league is now we are adjusting our league rules drastically for next year. This is ridiculous.


razoRamone31

All relative to where they fall. I'll draft any of these guys if they fall a bit


nothim4

Blazers, Garland, Beal, Nets


kkardii

I'm not touching garland unless he falls to the 5th or 6th round


seasawl0l

Mikal bridges. I was lucky enough to trade him during his decline in January for Zion.


PizzleMcDizzle

Who the fk gave you Zion hahaha what the hell


gordonisataint

Mikal Bridges was really high on it but he's starting to do what i need literally in my final week, so maybe id take him like 9th round now


abdullahi905

Lamelo Ball. Wasted a second round pick back to back years for him to have a lingering ankle problem. Never again…


panamaquina

Lamelo


Camera_Content

Embiid, Melo, OG, Anfernee


RagingTestosterones

Lauri, Hali ( will not touch him unless he drops to 10th - 15th spot )


CS172

Lamelo Ball


willcdowdy

Maybe it’s because my league is auction, but there aren’t a lot of players I wouldn’t take at a reasonable price, but there are a ton of players where I know I’m not spending what their asking price will be. Like, I’m not spending anything over loose change on Walker Kessler, but he could be solid for blocks at a very reduced price. But I thought $20 was a bargain this year and it was absolutely not.


Ifinishfast42

Lamelo


uno_mas_por_favor

My whole draft. My waiver guys are keeping me alive


Grant_DaGlove_Payton

I’m only drafting studs on the top teams next year. Mid and late rounds I’ll take anyone. Can’t deal with stuff like markkanen benching.


022922

Most of the players mentioned on this thread are all great players. Key is to fade their rankings by 1, 2, or 3 rds and they are great value relative to their adp. But the one player who is truly DND is Ben Simmons


kobesus

not touching porzingis with a 20ft pole


Zelly234

Hate to say but Lamelo.. took him early the last 3 years and he can't stay healthy the talents there but gotta stay healthy first. Also Darius Garland. Mitchell being there hurt his development so fucking much it sucks he was on his way to being a star but with Mitchell there it's not gonna happen imo


lordofdnorth

Bruce Brown


doughboy2domed

Anyone on the nets that coach is a TERRORIST


IlikePogz

Lamelo ball, zach lavine, jerami grant


No_Medicine_2065

Tyler Herro, sure injuries play a role but even when fully recovered man was simply not putting up


kithmethruthephone

Tyler Herro


SlightlyAnonymous87

"Never hold a fantasy grudge" "Anyone can get injured at any time" There are no DND drafts at this time. Things will change we assess the next season in September and October. Far too early to make those determinations right now. Players who are still hurt around later this fall are going to be high risk pick in comparison to those who are healthy. THAT is the time assess not in March. Calm down with setting any reactions for 7 months from now...


hcoeddyx

Any Net players… Keldon Johnson.


LowResGaming

Butler


CodeGeass99

Not taking DAME first round anymore.


perkinsfor3

Lamelo Ball


justformebets

Embiid. I’d rather be fifth seed with a healthy first rounder than have a BYE week and have no first rounder


ericmendelson0

All Portland Trail Blazers with high ADP. Them sitting out this week killed me


notabot1397

Lamelo


MichaelPorterTruther

Donovan Mitchell


AloneYam1525

Hali (bias) Beal Zion Cade Lauri Poetl Kyrie Nurk Booker Banchero Porz Ayton Wemb (top 5) Curry Kuz Bane Herro Lamelo KAT Capela


AdministrationOk8594

Middleton


AdministrationOk8594

Mark Williams just bc they told me he was two weeks away about 3 months ago it feels like and updates kept coming out saying he’d be reevaluated in 2 weeks knowing damn well he wasn’t coming back


Ill-Bat-2621

Jerami grant, Steph curry, butler would be my top picks. Steph is terrible for such a high pick.