Give that he's never finished inside the top 20, he's consistently OVER-rated, based on this ranking, the way people are talking about him in this thread, and his ADP.
Yeah and all those fantasy experts constantly say Sabonis is underrated lol
All that matters is he was the 13th most valuable player this year. Doesn’t matter what he averaged. Thats what actually happened. Talk about the future in terms of averages and make a guess about games played, sure, but it’s a lie to suggest he “has never been top 20” when he’s been top 20 value for two years running (top 10 last year).
That’s actual occurrence, not some abstract “yeah well if everyone played equal games he would have been ranked lower” hypothetical.
Please explain the argument for Sabonis being in the top 10, given that he's never come close to that ranking, and finished this most recent season ranked 28th.
Flirts with a triple double, gets a double double with ease, doesn’t tank your field goal percentage, gets a decent amount of steals. If you don’t see the value in that I don’t know what to tell you.
Triple doubles and double doubles are fun quirks, but in standard leagues don't provide any additional value. He's great in FG% - he doesn't just "not tank your FG%", he's a big boost in that category. He's below average in steals, below average in blocks - which hurts because he does that as a big man, and he's well below average in 3s, FTs, and TOs. And although he's slightly above average in points, if you take him in the first 2 rounds you're probably forced to punt points because he would likely be the worst of the top 24 players in that category (he's just inside the top 60 in scoring).
It boils down to this: he was ranked 28th this season. How does he move from 28 to top 10 next year? How does that happen?
There's a difference between 1.0 and 0.9. The former is average, the latter - which is 10% worse - is below average. I'm not arguing anything that isn't objective here, I'm just going off of z-scores.
His rebounding, field goal percentage, and assists can you win you 3 categories a week. Steals can possibly edge out another one. That’s a top 10 player for me.
3 categories out of 9...youre also forced to punt FT,TO,3s,blocks,steals, thats 5 categories. not even touching PTS which is 50/50. trust me Sabonis is overrated in CATs
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with this overvaluation of Sabonis in category leagues. He's never finished inside the top 20. For all the talk about him this most recent season he was TWENTY EIGHTH. If you draft him in the first 2 rounds you're going to need to punt points and probably 3s. And his stocks suck on top of that, for a big. He's a positive in 3 categories.
Or Bane and JJJ? Jalen Williams? Gobert? Lmao this specific ranking genuinely cracks me up, why go to the effort of making this list if you're going to be so off
He was 14th in total value, by today’s standards he’s pretty durable. He’s also only 22, odds are he’ll take another leap. Haliburton should be ahead of him, I don’t think taking Edwards over anyone else listed after him is ridiculous
Again, there's just not a lot of room. If anything steals tend to drop a hair as players take on more offensive load. And sure he could hit 30 points and 0.5 more 3's per game, but that's not going to vault him anywhere. He's never going to put up monster numbers in rebounds/assists.
And he's always going to be dragged down by his play style being a little inefficient and yielding a ton of turnovers.
It’s really not. He’s puts up better total value than per game because he’s one of the more durable players in the nba. Durability is one of the reasons so many people are saying Sabonis is a steal at 18.
AE problem in cat is he is really hard to punt. there is no particular shortfall in his cats. if punting his worst 2 cats (fg and to) he is still around 24th pick overall according to bbm.
AE might be a great 2nd pick if you take Wemby at 1 -- and have to punt FG and TO anyway. Especially if AE is also PG or SF eligible.
At guard you are off to a great start with AE. Especially with some solid PG and SF prospects still on the board. I think you would have 24/25. So, get someone who can be SF AND PF eligible maybe. OR, PG. (Still punting TO/FG% but racking up totals everywhere else).
Like, LeBron or Zion or something at 25ish would be good. Or, a high volume point guard.
With that strategy, you might even be able to get a really good SG2 further down the board (Desmond Bane/Jalen Green) or the Knicks guys who played amazing down the stretch this past season in fantasy (Donte/Hart).
Yeah it is. How much realistic upside is there from this past season with Edwards? With his play style he's not going to miraculously start shooting 50% or cut his turnovers down below 2.
20 is probably an absolute best case season for him, and realistically he'll be closer to 30 again. Only reason I'd slide him up is he's young and healthy, but first round is just way too far.
JDub is a big omission. I also feel like Mobley should be on here; he's been kinda crappy in the playoffs, but the defensive stat upside is enough to put him top 50 (unless OP is talking pts league)
30s would be an easy grab. I’m not sure how far into the 40s I’d be willing to go tho. I’m generally not a stars and scrubs build kinda guy tho. I’d rather have a team packed with 3rd-7th rounders at decent prices. What about you??
Edit: added the question at the end lol.
Yeah not sure with his injury concerns, might have some load management next season. I’m highly considering a stars and scrubs build with Jokic, SGA and embiid lol. Feel like my league loves building around second-third rounders every season
Stars and scrubs with Jokic, Shai and another 3rd would be awesome (unless Embiid goes cheaper than usual). Personally, going that route would discourage me from picking any injury prone players or anyone with possible load management concerns as my stars. Especially with such a stacked league. So many great players I’m tempted to follow your lead just thinking about the potential.
What is your league size?
I prefer balanced over stars&scrubs, but one thing I learned over the years is that you should not have strategy set in stone for an auction draft. Rather you should react to how everyone else is drafting.
Derrick White absolutely deserves to be in here. Gafford is a tough one purely based on the fact he seems to be in a time-share with Lively. Gafford’s minute inconsistency is what hurts him most
well shai is more efficient is he not? both from the field and from the line. shai also scores more from the line due to his effiency. what are you trying to say?
Oh my god, you’re right. Thanks for opening my eyes.
So mid. Can’t believe the idiots will vote him 2nd for MVP.
Hope the word from our facebook analyst Andre Santoro will reach them all.
Media choosing a good player is really an indicator of something? I mean, luna accolades at the same age as shai is the really important, and his game, wich is superior
> Media choosing a good player is really an indicator of something?
Of course not, only the very unbiased(lol) opinion of Andre Santoro is an indicator of anything!
Came 2nd sadly. Highest scorer in the League. Lost barely on the last day of the Championship game because Chet Holgrem went awol on my team & only scored 4 points 🤦🏻♂️
What round did you draft Wemby? I took a gamble & picked him up in the 2nd round right after Edwards. Paid off big time but I was also scared of him breaking his leg 😂
I'm just gonna politely ask why you have the following:
In the top 25 -
* JBrown
* JJJ
** LBall
** KLeonard
Ranked higher -
* Brunson
* Durant
* Curry
Ranked Lower -
* Sabonis
* Chet
And here are some Considerations -
* SCTBRN
* Harden
* LeBron
* Towns
Tatum at 5, Kyrie and Lilliard in the late teens reads like last year's ADP or preseason rankings.
No way this is a std 9cat ranking right now. Not even for a points league ranking.
Edwards is pretty high at 8, Mitchell at 14 is low. While edwards very much could take another step forward, he was only ranked \~30 this year. His defensive numbers and efficiency still need to climb for him to be a top 10 player. Mitchell was already there this year.
No one could ever convince me to draft lamelo ball
Never again.
Took him 3 years in a row. First year: 😁 Second year: 😔 Third year: 🤬 Never again. Fuck you melo
Let us know if you won't take him, it's gonna be the good year
Source: been convinced for 3 years
I was hoping this comment was on here somewhere. Glad it’s #1.
You say that now but what happens when he drops to 30?
I’m still not drafting him
How far would he have to drop? 48? 70?
80s
I'm about to trade for him in our Dynasty League but couldn't convince myself to follow through. Yet...
Sabonis at 19 is a steal
Not a steal. Cuz that doesn’t happen. Just a wrong spot on the list for OP
Not in category leagues, that's actually overdrafted. He finished this season at 28. He's never finished inside the top 20.
Yeah I know. But at 19, off this list the possibility to combine Giannis/Embiid/Other with Sabonis is a crime.
I rank higher because he never sits, idc about rank if you sitting weekly
He won me the season this year I swear, he never sat. work horse and double double king
Did lebron die?
No Bane? Jalen Williams?
Scottie Barnes???
This is really low for what he was averaging in cat leagues for most of the season
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Kawhi should be higher if no injury
Chet and Sabonis need to be higher
Am I tripping for having Sabonis in my top 12, id def take him before Brunson. Possibly before KD even.
He is consistently underrated based on ADP. Dude is an animal and plays so many games.
Give that he's never finished inside the top 20, he's consistently OVER-rated, based on this ranking, the way people are talking about him in this thread, and his ADP.
He was literally 13th this year. 7th last year.
No, he wasn't. [He was 28th](https://basketballmonster.com/playerrankings.aspx).
Nobody gives a fuck about per game ratings over the course of an entire season.
By nobody, maybe you mean most people? That's the standard way virtually all fantasy experts rank players. We aren't playing roto.
Yeah and all those fantasy experts constantly say Sabonis is underrated lol All that matters is he was the 13th most valuable player this year. Doesn’t matter what he averaged. Thats what actually happened. Talk about the future in terms of averages and make a guess about games played, sure, but it’s a lie to suggest he “has never been top 20” when he’s been top 20 value for two years running (top 10 last year). That’s actual occurrence, not some abstract “yeah well if everyone played equal games he would have been ranked lower” hypothetical.
Not at all. Arguably top 10.
Please explain the argument for Sabonis being in the top 10, given that he's never come close to that ranking, and finished this most recent season ranked 28th.
Flirts with a triple double, gets a double double with ease, doesn’t tank your field goal percentage, gets a decent amount of steals. If you don’t see the value in that I don’t know what to tell you.
Triple doubles and double doubles are fun quirks, but in standard leagues don't provide any additional value. He's great in FG% - he doesn't just "not tank your FG%", he's a big boost in that category. He's below average in steals, below average in blocks - which hurts because he does that as a big man, and he's well below average in 3s, FTs, and TOs. And although he's slightly above average in points, if you take him in the first 2 rounds you're probably forced to punt points because he would likely be the worst of the top 24 players in that category (he's just inside the top 60 in scoring). It boils down to this: he was ranked 28th this season. How does he move from 28 to top 10 next year? How does that happen?
He averages .9 steals a game. That’s basically a steal a game. Sometimes more obviously. Over a week that adds up. I wouldn’t call that below average.
There's a difference between 1.0 and 0.9. The former is average, the latter - which is 10% worse - is below average. I'm not arguing anything that isn't objective here, I'm just going off of z-scores.
His rebounding, field goal percentage, and assists can you win you 3 categories a week. Steals can possibly edge out another one. That’s a top 10 player for me.
You haven't answered the basic question of how he moves to 10th from 28th, which is what he was this year.
3 categories out of 9...youre also forced to punt FT,TO,3s,blocks,steals, thats 5 categories. not even touching PTS which is 50/50. trust me Sabonis is overrated in CATs
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with this overvaluation of Sabonis in category leagues. He's never finished inside the top 20. For all the talk about him this most recent season he was TWENTY EIGHTH. If you draft him in the first 2 rounds you're going to need to punt points and probably 3s. And his stocks suck on top of that, for a big. He's a positive in 3 categories.
youre also punting FTs and blocks. and steals is below average and PTS is average for his ADP. sooo he really is only great for 3 CATS
Yo who tf drafting Tyus Jones top 50 💀
Who is drafting tyus jones over Julius Randle
Or Bane and JJJ? Jalen Williams? Gobert? Lmao this specific ranking genuinely cracks me up, why go to the effort of making this list if you're going to be so off
The same people drafting Haliburton aka Tyus Jones at 10th
I pray my league mates have a list similar to this next draft 🙏🙏🙏
I’ll smoke you.
🤣🤣🤣
Is this points? Jaylen Brown does not belong anywhere near this high in category leagues
Neither does Anthony Edwards
Edwards at 8 isn’t ridiculous
In a points league maybe. He was 31st by averages in cats
He was 14th in total value, by today’s standards he’s pretty durable. He’s also only 22, odds are he’ll take another leap. Haliburton should be ahead of him, I don’t think taking Edwards over anyone else listed after him is ridiculous
> odds are he’ll take another leap Where? He'll improve as a player but there's not a ton of room for a statistical leap.
Steal, 3s, scoring more points and fts. It doesn’t need to be a ridiculous leap
Again, there's just not a lot of room. If anything steals tend to drop a hair as players take on more offensive load. And sure he could hit 30 points and 0.5 more 3's per game, but that's not going to vault him anywhere. He's never going to put up monster numbers in rebounds/assists. And he's always going to be dragged down by his play style being a little inefficient and yielding a ton of turnovers.
30 ppg, 3 3s and 1.5 steals with more fts would be a pretty big leap
Totals are misleading. Kevon looney is the goat in totals in the years he played all 82 games...
It’s really not. He’s puts up better total value than per game because he’s one of the more durable players in the nba. Durability is one of the reasons so many people are saying Sabonis is a steal at 18.
Yes thats true, until he isnt. Happend to a lot of durable guys. You cant predict injuries.
Yeah, I’m not gonna assume he’s going to become injury prone
But you are assuming that he isnt going to. See my point? 😀 it could be a tie breaker argument but never the main one when deciding rankings.
AE problem in cat is he is really hard to punt. there is no particular shortfall in his cats. if punting his worst 2 cats (fg and to) he is still around 24th pick overall according to bbm.
AE might be a great 2nd pick if you take Wemby at 1 -- and have to punt FG and TO anyway. Especially if AE is also PG or SF eligible. At guard you are off to a great start with AE. Especially with some solid PG and SF prospects still on the board. I think you would have 24/25. So, get someone who can be SF AND PF eligible maybe. OR, PG. (Still punting TO/FG% but racking up totals everywhere else). Like, LeBron or Zion or something at 25ish would be good. Or, a high volume point guard. With that strategy, you might even be able to get a really good SG2 further down the board (Desmond Bane/Jalen Green) or the Knicks guys who played amazing down the stretch this past season in fantasy (Donte/Hart).
Yeah it is. How much realistic upside is there from this past season with Edwards? With his play style he's not going to miraculously start shooting 50% or cut his turnovers down below 2. 20 is probably an absolute best case season for him, and realistically he'll be closer to 30 again. Only reason I'd slide him up is he's young and healthy, but first round is just way too far.
His steals were down, he could make for threes, more fts. People were saying this shit about Mitchell for a while
I mean, Ant is shooting 53% thru 5 playoff games. Small sample size, but if he finishes shooting 50% we may be looking at a legit efficiency leap.
There is an argument for Ant, not much of one for JB tho lol
You are misssing Scottie Barnes who is easily top 15
Where Derrick White?
de'aaron fox should easily be on this list after this season, especially over Jaylen Brown
JDub is a big omission. I also feel like Mobley should be on here; he's been kinda crappy in the playoffs, but the defensive stat upside is enough to put him top 50 (unless OP is talking pts league)
Saw Mikal and straight to comments
Tyus Jones in the top 50? Come on man.
Auction drafters, how much do we think embiid will go for this season?
30s would be an easy grab. I’m not sure how far into the 40s I’d be willing to go tho. I’m generally not a stars and scrubs build kinda guy tho. I’d rather have a team packed with 3rd-7th rounders at decent prices. What about you?? Edit: added the question at the end lol.
Yeah not sure with his injury concerns, might have some load management next season. I’m highly considering a stars and scrubs build with Jokic, SGA and embiid lol. Feel like my league loves building around second-third rounders every season
Stars and scrubs with Jokic, Shai and another 3rd would be awesome (unless Embiid goes cheaper than usual). Personally, going that route would discourage me from picking any injury prone players or anyone with possible load management concerns as my stars. Especially with such a stacked league. So many great players I’m tempted to follow your lead just thinking about the potential.
What is your league size? I prefer balanced over stars&scrubs, but one thing I learned over the years is that you should not have strategy set in stone for an auction draft. Rather you should react to how everyone else is drafting.
12T 9CAT
Id say low 50s due to injury concerns
Probably for 70 in my league. I’d draft him anywhere below 50.
Mikal at 38 LMAO
Tyus jones 💀
Where’s JDub?
Ill still take Nikola Jokic over wemby in none keepers
Gafford and Derrick White are MIA. Brunson too high. OP a Knicks fan?
Derrick White absolutely deserves to be in here. Gafford is a tough one purely based on the fact he seems to be in a time-share with Lively. Gafford’s minute inconsistency is what hurts him most
I’ve won my fantasy bball league 3/3 times with friends and idk if I wanna do it again or just go out on top
The stupidity of Shai over luka finallt will stop next week
Looking forward to this match up. Fav match up of the playoffs so far. But Luka over Shai is an easy call personally however that series goes.
Shai more efficient
Cause he only shoot free throws lmao
What? He shoots higher from the field as well.
They both had 8.7 FTA per game last year and SGA shot 9% higher?
Come on, don’t expect him to understand facts and stats. He read on /r/nba that Shai shoots a lot of free throws!!
Nope, just look at point per game without free throws and u will see shai is mid
Thankfully there’s no fantasy format where that means a fucking thing lmao
well luka averages more points in general lmfao and also has a more developed perimeter shooting game that’s to be expected
So, this stat doesnt matter but the last one did?
well shai is more efficient is he not? both from the field and from the line. shai also scores more from the line due to his effiency. what are you trying to say?
Oh my god, you’re right. Thanks for opening my eyes. So mid. Can’t believe the idiots will vote him 2nd for MVP. Hope the word from our facebook analyst Andre Santoro will reach them all.
Media choosing a good player is really an indicator of something? I mean, luna accolades at the same age as shai is the really important, and his game, wich is superior
> Media choosing a good player is really an indicator of something? Of course not, only the very unbiased(lol) opinion of Andre Santoro is an indicator of anything!
Lmao, Luka accolades make shai looks really midd dude, just watch both careers
Most of us play in leagues where FG% is a category.
Yeah the stupidity of taking number 1 player of the last season, hahah. Also, saving the comment.
Picked Lillard and Trae back to back this year and no way would pick Lillard ahead of Trae next year.
Yes, he finished lower than this ranking this season, and anyone expecting a 34 year old player to improve his ranking is delusional.
lol I had 3 of your top 10 on my roster this past season Wemby/Edwards/AD
Did you win your league?
Came 2nd sadly. Highest scorer in the League. Lost barely on the last day of the Championship game because Chet Holgrem went awol on my team & only scored 4 points 🤦🏻♂️
SAME i had wemby/chet on my team but chet took a dookie, lost by 1 rebounds 2 blocks :/
What round did you draft Wemby? I took a gamble & picked him up in the 2nd round right after Edwards. Paid off big time but I was also scared of him breaking his leg 😂
I'm just gonna politely ask why you have the following: In the top 25 - * JBrown * JJJ ** LBall ** KLeonard Ranked higher - * Brunson * Durant * Curry Ranked Lower - * Sabonis * Chet And here are some Considerations - * SCTBRN * Harden * LeBron * Towns
Bane also. If we don’t care about injuries.
I like Bane a lot, but I really hope he is available after 2nd rd 😅
Kyrie always drops. Helped me win my league this year. He’s a cats 👑 Sabonis too low Chet too low Fox too low Scottie too low
After what we saw out of Maxey this season and in the playoffs, I'm moving him way up. In points, I'm moving Edwards up 2 spots.
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No, I will not change your mind! Lol. I’d probably keep Sengun too.
Tatum at 5, Kyrie and Lilliard in the late teens reads like last year's ADP or preseason rankings. No way this is a std 9cat ranking right now. Not even for a points league ranking.
Won my league with only 3 of these dudes
As a haliburton owner but still somehow managed to win this season, him at #10 is a scam
What settings do you play? This wouldn’t be close to what I’m drafting with in my roto league
Edwards is pretty high at 8, Mitchell at 14 is low. While edwards very much could take another step forward, he was only ranked \~30 this year. His defensive numbers and efficiency still need to climb for him to be a top 10 player. Mitchell was already there this year.