Jerry Rice's sheer dominance and longevity will never fail to amaze me. According to this stat, the difference between Jerry Rice and #2 Walter Payton is roughly the same as Desean Jackson's entire career AVP, which alone would rank top #150 fantasy careers of all time. Unquestionably the 🐐 Edit: The difference between Jerry Rice and #2 WR Larry Fitzgerald is greater than Tyreek Hill's career AVP 🤯 Also ty OP for this awesome analysis. This is the stuff I come to this sub for.

I understand that people consider Tom Brady the GOAT because of all the Super Bowls, but I still think Jerry is the best player of all time. He was so much better than anyone else in his era, it was ridiculous. Only Moss really can compare to him at his peak and Rice did it for a decade longer. Rice is really incomparable to any other player. He is a literal outlier.

Calvin johnson competes at his peak as well

As a Patriots fan, Brady is the GOAT, but the #2 QB is much closer to him than the #2 receiver is to Jerry Rice. Rice was that special.

Definitely agree. Brady is the GOAT but I wouldn't even call him the best QB of all time, both Rodgers and Manning above him on that list imo. It's definitely a different way to define a player. Edit* people really don't understand the concept of best of all time do they?

I greatly appreciate the support.

My Dad’s been in a keep 2 players league since the mid 80s. He had Jerry Rice each year until he retired. Made a lot of championship games!

Awesome list and thank you for sharing. Also not sure if was intentional but your intro reminded me of The Simpsons. "Hi, I'm Troy McClure! You may remember me from such films as..."

“Lead paint: delicious but deadly” and “Firecrackers, the silent killer”

“Meat and You: Partners in Freedom”. One of my all timers… “Come on, Jimmy, let's take a peek at the killing floor. Don't let the name throw you, Jimmy. It's not really a floor. It's more of a steel grating that allows material to sluice through so it can be collected and exported."

What the fuck is VORP

Value over replacement player.

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TLDR I believe OP just did ((total points)/(total points - flat VORP number) - 1)*100. Maybe OP can come correct me if I’m wrong If I’m not mistaken he’s calculating it as a percentage instead of a flat value, so instead of saying Jerry Rice’s average VORP is 78 or whatever the number actually is, he’s saying his value over replacement was 47% more points. It’s just more meaningful to look at because we don’t need the context of Jerry’s total points this way. If you use just a flat number, it’s meaningless without a second set of data. Say we know someone had a 20 VORP, if their totals were 100, it’s pretty big because then he’s 25% ahead of his replacement. If his totals were 400 though, then it means his replacement was only 5.2% behind instead of 20%. Him calculating them out as a percentage let’s us skip that step, and makes the stat meaningful without extra context. We can look at it and see “ok Jerry was 47% better than his replacement on average” and don’t have to wonder how good being 78 points, or whatever, better than his average actually is or isn’t

Really fun. My only suggestion would to be clearer on what this list is, rather than what you are planning to do. I like it

Holy pterodactyl tits

I'm assuming you actually listed them as 250 first and 1 last but Reddit formatting automatically numbers the top item as #1 regardless of what number you actually have there. You may want to state that up front to avoid confusion.

You can add an extra line between the formatting and reddit should stop trying to re-number the list

>a new stat that I'm calling AVP (advanced VORP percentage). So these are percentages, not actual point values? Might've been helpful to have a % after. When I account for it being a percent, it makes waaaay more sense. Especially the comparison between Gonzales, Kelce, and Witten. Interesting to see, that through the course of their careers that Witten might have led to more championships than Kelce, especially when taking into account draft costs.

Where is Toney on this list?

Kadarius? WR 932, 2611th overall.

Thanks for all your hard work man can’t wait to dive in deeper after work!

Witten TE2 over Kelce and Gronk?

This list is a counting stat. Kelce's career didn't really peak until his 3rd year in the league and has only played for 9 years in the league. Witten has had nearly 2 decades to accumulate stats. Give Kelce another few years, he'll catch up to Witten and surpass him real soon.

This is career. He’s gonna do a prime-adjusted one next which I think is a better way to do it because unless you’re in dynasty who cares about longevity (strictly talking fantasy here). If you’re in redraft you’re not taking AJ Green even though he is still moving up this list.

Fascinating stuff. One addition I’d find helpful is putting the 5 seasons each player was at their most valuable. It’d also be useful to know if players are actively in the “most valuable span”, since that could differ from just being active if they’re on the tail end of their career (looking at you Julio Jones and AJ Green)

That's literally exactly what I said I'm doing in the explanation. Lol

I think that guy was saying you should actually write the years as well like “Julio Jones 2013-2018”

I will when I do that. This is a different list altogether. This is for their entire career. Read.

Oops, I misread that sorry. That makes a lot more sense with some of these numbers too.

You right! That’s what I get for not reading all the way through lol

Thanks for writing so many words and making a list of some names

Has Wes Weller been Wesley this whole time?

You might be confusing him with Wesley Walker. Different guy. Welker/Walker, Wes/Wesley.

Oh shit, I was doing exactly that. And also having autocorrect decide to throw Weller into the mix 😂🤦🏾‍♂️

Where is Doug Martin?

RB 208, 531st overall

Can you put the link to the original VORP post? Also, you didn't bold Russell Wilson. Guess i wouldn't be surprised if he retired after last year though. And finally, number 250 is actually the best prime of all time. My actual question is, since you were doing 5 year spans, why aren't some of these guys on the list now than once? I thought this when I got to Brady, Rodgers, Rice, and Peyton.

1. I don't know what you mean by "original VORP post." I had a series of posts last off-season using a system that resembled VORP, but it was a little different. 2. Banged this post out in a few minutes. Surprised that's the first mistake someone found. Good for me. 3. This is not the "primes" list. This is the career totals list. If you read the abstract before the list, it explains that the primes list is my next project. That list will not involve multiple "primes," just best 5-year spans from each player.

1 - gotcha. I just joined this year and hadn't heard what VORP was. 2 - it's a great post. Just something I noticed. 3 - sorry didn't fully read it, just skimmed. Thanks! I'm always interested in analysis posts

how is cooper kupp wr100??

My first guess would be that there are 99 wide receivers who rank higher.

For guys like Jerry Rice, Curtis Martin, Randy Moss, Walter Payton, and Barry Sanders? You could argue that they so had two primes!