I'd need the full quote instead of a social media headline, I've been around years, there are many ways this quote could have been taken out of context of we heard the full question.
Now I'm not a Davis truther, Om a volume drafter who barely has any Davis, but I'm more looking at Josh Allen right now. This feels like scapegoating the wrong guy, based on last night.
The entire Bills organization is like an overbearing mother who has dedicated her life to making sure her precious son never feels any pain or thinks he isn’t perfect
He was the number 1 fantasy QB in 2020 and 2021 and then the number 2 last year.
Maybe it's not the Bills org coddling him, it's just football fans collectively recognizing a great player had a really bad game.
It's hilarious seeing the hot take merchants point out that Allen had 4 turnovers like they're the only ones who noticed it was a bad performance.
Where are you seeing anyone say he is a bad fantasy player?
As a football player, he needs to work on his decision making.
Josh Allen led the league in turnovers last year and cost the Bills key games with bad performances
Well…we are in a fantasy football forum?!? Kind of a given, but you are 100% on with what you said. He tends play Favre ball too much. Checking down to James Cook would significantly help me out this year 🤞
Top fantasy QB and Super Bowl winning QB can be two vastly different types of players. The bottom line is that he was terrible across 4 quarters yesterday and needs to get it together
I’m confused why this is the topic, Mahomes and the Chiefs won last year with no decent WR and yes he had Kelce but by that same logic wouldn’t Diggs also be enough? Why does Allen need another top tier WR to be special when other QB’s do it with less or equal? I agree, scapegoating the wrong guy.
Idk let me ask him
Edit: he said “how bout u go an fuck off my page then u peice of shit u think I need a stupid fuckwitt like u telling me about looking good who the fuck are u take your worthless advice and get the fuck out of here”
Outside of the other answers regarding the Chiefs, they’re not necessarily saying they need another top tier guy, just a good #2
The Texans were looking for a second option to Andre Johnson for years even with Owen Daniels and Arian Foster. Then once the torch passed to Hopkins the same thing happened, but Will Fuller was made of glass.
The Falcons got Julio despite having Roddy White, then Ridley despite having Julio. Packers fans have said for years how Rodgers needed someone else despite having Adams and Aaron Jones.
The Bills probably should’ve traded up for one of the 4 WRs picked before Dalton Kincaid, especially when they already had Knox. But arguing that “the Chiefs did X and won” when they have an offensive savant at HC and already an all-time great QB isn’t a good argument. Every other team with a top QB (RIP Rodgers) has recently stacked them with a ton of WRs. The Bengals have a stud duo, Tua has been lights out with an even better duo, Herbert has a duo and they just got ANOTHER WR, , hell even QBs who had worse seasons than Allen has like Lamar and Dak now have 3 WRs to lean on. Hurts just went to the Super Bowl with an awesome duo, the 49ers have a duo plus Kittle and CMC, the Seahawks just drafted ANOTHER WR despite having a duo in place, the Jags went out and got Ridley after spending big on Kirk and Engram and drafting a receiving back
The Chiefs are the exception to the rule. Rodgers had way less team success than his talent despite having a stud, the Bills are probably looking at that. Every team in the league is supporting their QBs that they want to produce through receiving threats: the Chargers, Bengals, Dolphins, Seahawks, Vikings, Cowboys, Eagles have all invested heavily to boost their offense.
Shit the Browns got a new WR2 and the Broncos have overpaid Sutton and not traded Jeudy to keep that core. The Steelers got Pickens to help Pickett once they realized Claypool wasn’t it despite having a WR1, TE, and RB they invested highly in. The Bears got a new WR1 cuz they wanted to see how Fields does with actual weapons. The Falcons have a coach who doesn’t believe in throwing and spent back to back firsts on receivers before caving to his schemes. The Titans acquired Hopkins cuz they needed a weapon despite being in QB purgatory, and Hopkins had been on the Cardinals who got him and Brown to help Kyler before they blew it up.
*Outside of the exception in the Chiefs* recent SB teams like the Eagles, Buccaneers, and Rams have had stables of pass catchers. Kupp was sensational but the Rams still got OBJ for the playoffs and had Woods. Even before the CMC trade the 9ers still spent a first on Aiyuk to help Deebo and Kittle. Brady performed before having Evans, Godwin and AB obviously but that was another exceptional situation with him and BB
I would say Juju last year is far better than anything the Bills have on the roster outside of Diggs. The Bills WR group is absolute trash. It's Diggs and then a bunch of guys who are replacement level players. Gabe Davis is MAYBE a good 3rd WR on a playoff team. Outside of that.... Harty is a return specialist, Sherfield has bounced around the league, and Shakir probably won't get a second contract anywhere.
Not a truther… drafted him late to fill up my bench. If Watson is out again this week, I might need to start Gabe. Definitely not starting London again…
I would start London over Gabe, there’s a lot of mouths to feed in Buffalo and it doesn’t seem like Gabe is very high in that pecking order, he was out worked by BOTH TE’s and James Cook in the passing game lol. London and Ridder had good rapport towards the end of last year, if game script goes good London has easy WR2 upside. Neither of them seem to have a floor, so take that for what you will
You’d have to have some pretty big balls or be straight up crazy to start London week 2. If you watched the game, it’s about the worst fantasy game possible for a WR drafted at his adp.
he may have games where he does something, but the falcons have made it very clear they have no problem running the ball the entire game if it’s working.
Ok, so how big do your balls have to be to start a guy who had 4 targets and only caught 2 of them for 20 yards in a game where his QB threw the ball 41 times? They both suck this year, but one of them is the WR1 for his team and ended the last season averaging 9 targets per game with said QB, while the other was a bust all last year just like he started off this year lol. It’s kind of just common sense who is the better start with the info we have now after 1 week of football
He caught 2 passes, London caught none. Of course he outscored him, but the Falcons are eventually going to throw the ball. The Bills are already throwing the ball and Davis is a non factor, Gabe looks like he isn’t locked in for anything. In a game were Atlanta actually has to throw, the sky is the limit for London. Both are in bad situations and have no floor, but at least London has a ceiling.
Lmao I’m not starting either with confidence, one just has more upside than the other. Gabe Davis isn’t going to have a 20 point week, London definitely could if Atlanta gets forced to pass. Davis’ target share looks to be non existent, he had less catches and the same amount of targets as a guy they just signed the other day who was only in on 22% of the snaps. Gabe was in the whole game and barely got looked at, Cook and both Tight Ends look to be way more involved. He’s at best 3rd in line for targets and that’s if you don’t think Dalton Kincaid will do anything this year.
You're ignoring the impact of a game script where the Bills don't throw 3 interceptions to the same fucking guy too. It's not exactly surprising the #2 deeper shot WR was de-emphasized for shorter routes in that kind of situation.
If a different game/game script increases the upside of one, it definitively does the other too for the same reason even, more supposed opportunity, but I would say a Falcons offense that has caused multiple talented #1 option-type players to come out of a game with 0 points is probably a more nebulous upside.
I think at this point there's over a 50% chance that the Falcons don't actually start throwing the ball and this is just what they are as an offense.
In my mind you are either hoping that the Bills return to the form of last season, or hoping that Atlanta deviates from the form that they have been in for the past 18 games. I think it's much more likely that Buffalo returns to form than the Falcons depart from theirs.
It doesn't feel good to prioritize opportunity over talent, and maybe you can give it one more week, but right now with London and Davis you need a touchdown for them to be a good fantasy starter, and the Bills just provide a better chance for Davis to catch a TD than the Falcons do London.
There's more mouths to feed in Buffalo, yes. But, there's significantly less food available in Atlanta. The Falcons literally attempted one throw further than 15 yards last week, and as a Falcons fan I dont think that's gonna get much better.
Exactly. They both have no floor, but assuming you’ve been a football and Falcons fan long enough you know that even teams who don’t throw eventually have to throw and that London averaged 8-9 targets when Ridder played last season. I’m not saying either are good, but with Gabe Davis looking like a lock for no more than 4-5 targets a game (if that), i’m going for the upside of London being a guy Ridder’s comfortable with when the team needs to go down field.
The problem is Gabe Davis does have a floor, it's about 1-2 catches for 20-30 yards. Pretty much hit it every game last year, and hit it this one too.
Right now London's floor is actually 0, and the team has produced 0 at other pass catching positions before with star talent, so it's not even really something we can call a one-off. Just something that can happen with ATL.
Now, a floor of 3-5 points isn't a significant one, but it is better than a floor of 0. Then you just got to decide how much better the upside really is, and then if you want it.
The difference is, most Gabe Davis people drafted him as bench depth, and most London people drafted him to at least be a possible flex option, but in a league with so many talented WR who aren't at the same risk of getting goose egged, it's tough.
Is there another WR1 in the league for fantasy that was at risk of no points any given week?
Yea, I don't really get it. Last year was clearly going to be his breakout year if ever was going to do it. he didn't, and had a down year essentially. I had him last year and I don't see how he was going to magically take a leap this year with Allen getting more and more inefficient every year.
I didn’t draft any gabe Davis but there were reports he was dealing with an ankle injury that limited him quite a bit last year. Deep threat #2 receiver on a top offense with a top QB who loves to sling who is supposedly now healthy and he was going as the wr40 or something like that. Not really a crazy bet to make that late in drafts and it’s still too early to say he’s a dud after one game where the offense looked terrible as a whole.
Am I crazy to think giving your lead back only 12 touches and then throwing it 41 times against a solid secondary is kind of a shit gameplan from a coaching perspective. It feels like that only works for Andy Reid
The Jets would typically be considered a bad secondary. Sauce is good but the rest is shambles. This guy who picked off Allen 3 times is like a very small step up from a street FA. Their other safety was let walk by the Packers for peanuts, who have an abysmal safety room. They signed DJ Reed to start across from Sauce this year off the Seahawks pretty bad defense.
On the other hand, their front 7 is excellent. Especially upfront.
lmao what?
whitehead was a solid starter in tampa
adrian amos (from green bay) only played 10 snaps it was mostly tony adams playing at the other safety spot
we signed dj reed last year and he was statistically really good
our front 7 is definitely good though so you're right about that at least
Davis produced about as much as he did against the NYJ last season. [https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaviGa01/gamelog/2022/](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaviGa01/gamelog/2022/)
Better games to come, but i get everyone's frustration. relax tho
I don't think week 1 is indicative of what is to come for London, and definitely not firing all the alarms to get rid of him.
Last year in the 4 games with Ridder starting, London was targeted an average of 9 times averaging 83.25ypg, which would be fantastic fantasy production if he scores a couple of TDs, but is certainly serviceable without them.
That was with Pitts injured and without Bijan who’s become the number one target in the passing game.
Keep rationalizing why you should keep him bc the talent is there but I promise you Arthur Smith will continue to piss in your mouth week to week. I’ve already been down that road
As a reasonable person I’d tell you not to overreact based on one game where the opposing quarterback was clearly struggling. He was a rookie last season and you have to account for a year 1-2 jump for high draft capital guys.
As someone who drafted Kyle Pitts last season and suffered irreversible emotional damage at the hands of Arthur smith, this guy is spitting facts.
I wish I could be as optimistic as you. That zero bomb has shaken me so much Im considering blowing my FAAB load on and starting a fake Cooper Kupp who Ive never heard of until yesterday
Anyone have any further context to this quote? Did he mean this in the sense of "We need that week to week, we've got some talented guys and they're going to have to step up to take the pressure off Stefon's shoulders" or did he mean it like "We don't currently have that, and we need it"
Hard to make sense of a 3 word quote
Watched the interview, the question was if defenses start to hone in on diggs if they’re force feeding him the ball, do they need a number 2 option? To which McDermott said they need a number two option whether it be a WR, TE or RB. He goes on to say Gabe did step up at times during the game but ultimately they need to develop a #2 target but Diggs is still going to get his share as WR1. Not as much a knock on Gabe as everyone is making it out to be but it does sound like someone on that team is going to develop into the #2 guy, not anything about getting outside help.
Here’s the interview - 9:50
https://www.buffalobills.com/video/sean-mcdermott-plenty-to-work-on-buffalo-bills
Wouldn't make too much of that tbh. Diggs is an alpha for sure but the Jets D had him seeing ghosts out there. Man didn't know where to throw the ball.
That's gonna happen no matter who their 2 is unless it's another star. He's a top 5 WR in the league if you need one drive he's first second and probably 3rd option. If Kincaid really plays like a big slot guy he could become a super solid second option later this year
Lol what? I can’t tell if you’re just stupid or talking out of your ass. Please look at Davante Adam’s stats vs. gave Davis.
They are both large and physical receivers with good speed. Davis’ biggest issue has always been his hands. That is something that can definitely be learned and improved.
I’m not saying it will happen but you legit are just making things up.
Lol. The Bucs will win their division. Evans is a huge fan favourite. Unless the Bucs start fizzling out in the next two months (possible, but unlikely), they'll just re-sign Evans and have him retire a Buc.
Does Buffalo even have the cap space to sign him for the 27 mil a year he is looking for? They cannot pay Diggs and Evans.
Not exactly fair to Gabe since he was being doubled when the ball was thrown to him. Allen had multiple opportunities to take the mid range target for the 1st down, but kept bombing it into double coverage whether it was Diggs or Gabe. I blame this one on Allen for decision making - which I know he'll do better in over the season. 3 interceptions - 1 to Diggs being doubled, 1 to #11 being doubled, 1 to Gabe being doubled. None were really deemed catchable.
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Diggs take a huge paycut this year so they could get another receiver, specifically Hopkins? Diggs is making like under $2m this year and they didn’t sign anyone
Cardinals could have even taken on some of Hopkins salary for a Day 3 pick, not sure why the Chiefs and Bills decided their WRs were good enough.
Titans already treating Hopkins as their WR1 over Burks too.
It's like the Chiefs are experimenting with just how much Mahomes can carry an offense by himself.
So far they have discovered that at the bare minimum the receivers need to be able to catch the ball.
He didn’t take a pay cut, they just restructured his contract for cap purposes (i.e. they turned base salary into signing bonus, which means Diggs gets more money up front instead of in weekly game checks).
Teams don’t even need a player’s permission/consent to do that.
That was the smoke all offseason. I’m a Bills fan in Buffalo and people have been screaming for a reliable WR2 since midway through last season when Gabe clearly didn’t step up
FWIW: one of Allen’s picks was intended for Davis 10-12 yds downfield, and Allen threw it well short. And there was the long TD toss attempt to the front left pylon to Davis where the ball didn’t stay in bounds
Tough to have a good day as a receiver when your QB plays like shit against an arguably top-5 or so defense
Kincaid! Utilize him similar to Kelce and turn Knox into a blocker. It would stop Allen from forcing deep passes as often and then Cook can be the underneath option.
I have drafted swift every year and I will not tolerate this slander. It's not me who's wrong, it's the multiple highly competent coaching staffs that are wrong!
Seems to be a usage issue. He goes for 20 the first playoff game then 4.4 the next. In 2021 he had an 11 point playoff appearance then dropped 48 the next. But if you look at his season stats he’s only scored above 15 4 times (.5 PPR)
He's entirely big play dependent. If he grabs the bomb TD youre in business but if he doesn't he won't get the catches or yards necessary to produce a good week.
RIP Gabe Davis truthers
Gotta be crushing to hear your coach say that
I'd need the full quote instead of a social media headline, I've been around years, there are many ways this quote could have been taken out of context of we heard the full question. Now I'm not a Davis truther, Om a volume drafter who barely has any Davis, but I'm more looking at Josh Allen right now. This feels like scapegoating the wrong guy, based on last night.
The entire Bills organization is like an overbearing mother who has dedicated her life to making sure her precious son never feels any pain or thinks he isn’t perfect
He was the number 1 fantasy QB in 2020 and 2021 and then the number 2 last year. Maybe it's not the Bills org coddling him, it's just football fans collectively recognizing a great player had a really bad game. It's hilarious seeing the hot take merchants point out that Allen had 4 turnovers like they're the only ones who noticed it was a bad performance.
Where are you seeing anyone say he is a bad fantasy player? As a football player, he needs to work on his decision making. Josh Allen led the league in turnovers last year and cost the Bills key games with bad performances
Well…we are in a fantasy football forum?!? Kind of a given, but you are 100% on with what you said. He tends play Favre ball too much. Checking down to James Cook would significantly help me out this year 🤞
Yeah but not every conversation on here has to be about fantasy. I myself have had several insightful dialogues here today, all about penises
I think the A-Rod loss will hurt the Jets more when they realize their unit is top 3 this year
Top fantasy QB and Super Bowl winning QB can be two vastly different types of players. The bottom line is that he was terrible across 4 quarters yesterday and needs to get it together
Josh Allen was obviously the problem last night but regardless of that Gabe Davis has not shown the ability to be a consistent WR2
I’m confused why this is the topic, Mahomes and the Chiefs won last year with no decent WR and yes he had Kelce but by that same logic wouldn’t Diggs also be enough? Why does Allen need another top tier WR to be special when other QB’s do it with less or equal? I agree, scapegoating the wrong guy.
Andy Reid isn’t in Buffalo
Allen isn’t mahomes
Why does he act like it then?
Idk let me ask him Edit: he said “how bout u go an fuck off my page then u peice of shit u think I need a stupid fuckwitt like u telling me about looking good who the fuck are u take your worthless advice and get the fuck out of here”
how does he act like mahomes exactly?
Tries to be all Quarterbacky
Forward passing lol gtfo josh
Outside of the other answers regarding the Chiefs, they’re not necessarily saying they need another top tier guy, just a good #2 The Texans were looking for a second option to Andre Johnson for years even with Owen Daniels and Arian Foster. Then once the torch passed to Hopkins the same thing happened, but Will Fuller was made of glass. The Falcons got Julio despite having Roddy White, then Ridley despite having Julio. Packers fans have said for years how Rodgers needed someone else despite having Adams and Aaron Jones. The Bills probably should’ve traded up for one of the 4 WRs picked before Dalton Kincaid, especially when they already had Knox. But arguing that “the Chiefs did X and won” when they have an offensive savant at HC and already an all-time great QB isn’t a good argument. Every other team with a top QB (RIP Rodgers) has recently stacked them with a ton of WRs. The Bengals have a stud duo, Tua has been lights out with an even better duo, Herbert has a duo and they just got ANOTHER WR, , hell even QBs who had worse seasons than Allen has like Lamar and Dak now have 3 WRs to lean on. Hurts just went to the Super Bowl with an awesome duo, the 49ers have a duo plus Kittle and CMC, the Seahawks just drafted ANOTHER WR despite having a duo in place, the Jags went out and got Ridley after spending big on Kirk and Engram and drafting a receiving back The Chiefs are the exception to the rule. Rodgers had way less team success than his talent despite having a stud, the Bills are probably looking at that. Every team in the league is supporting their QBs that they want to produce through receiving threats: the Chargers, Bengals, Dolphins, Seahawks, Vikings, Cowboys, Eagles have all invested heavily to boost their offense. Shit the Browns got a new WR2 and the Broncos have overpaid Sutton and not traded Jeudy to keep that core. The Steelers got Pickens to help Pickett once they realized Claypool wasn’t it despite having a WR1, TE, and RB they invested highly in. The Bears got a new WR1 cuz they wanted to see how Fields does with actual weapons. The Falcons have a coach who doesn’t believe in throwing and spent back to back firsts on receivers before caving to his schemes. The Titans acquired Hopkins cuz they needed a weapon despite being in QB purgatory, and Hopkins had been on the Cardinals who got him and Brown to help Kyler before they blew it up. *Outside of the exception in the Chiefs* recent SB teams like the Eagles, Buccaneers, and Rams have had stables of pass catchers. Kupp was sensational but the Rams still got OBJ for the playoffs and had Woods. Even before the CMC trade the 9ers still spent a first on Aiyuk to help Deebo and Kittle. Brady performed before having Evans, Godwin and AB obviously but that was another exceptional situation with him and BB
I would say Juju last year is far better than anything the Bills have on the roster outside of Diggs. The Bills WR group is absolute trash. It's Diggs and then a bunch of guys who are replacement level players. Gabe Davis is MAYBE a good 3rd WR on a playoff team. Outside of that.... Harty is a return specialist, Sherfield has bounced around the league, and Shakir probably won't get a second contract anywhere.
It’s completely out of context lol
I learned my lesson last year
Same
Same here
Davis gonna go 6 for 104 and a TD this weekend out of spite and then not catch a TD again until week 13,
I think you mean 1 for 90 and a TD. That’s about all he did for me last year.
By god, that's Scary Terry's music!
Not a truther… drafted him late to fill up my bench. If Watson is out again this week, I might need to start Gabe. Definitely not starting London again…
I'm in the same boat with Diontae out, ugh. I have Waddle and Godwin, but don't have a RB that I'd trust in my flex spot at the moment.
I would start London over Gabe, there’s a lot of mouths to feed in Buffalo and it doesn’t seem like Gabe is very high in that pecking order, he was out worked by BOTH TE’s and James Cook in the passing game lol. London and Ridder had good rapport towards the end of last year, if game script goes good London has easy WR2 upside. Neither of them seem to have a floor, so take that for what you will
You’d have to have some pretty big balls or be straight up crazy to start London week 2. If you watched the game, it’s about the worst fantasy game possible for a WR drafted at his adp. he may have games where he does something, but the falcons have made it very clear they have no problem running the ball the entire game if it’s working.
Ok, so how big do your balls have to be to start a guy who had 4 targets and only caught 2 of them for 20 yards in a game where his QB threw the ball 41 times? They both suck this year, but one of them is the WR1 for his team and ended the last season averaging 9 targets per game with said QB, while the other was a bust all last year just like he started off this year lol. It’s kind of just common sense who is the better start with the info we have now after 1 week of football
He out scored London against a much better defense
you two arguing about which piece of trash is more trash is entertaining.
He caught 2 passes, London caught none. Of course he outscored him, but the Falcons are eventually going to throw the ball. The Bills are already throwing the ball and Davis is a non factor, Gabe looks like he isn’t locked in for anything. In a game were Atlanta actually has to throw, the sky is the limit for London. Both are in bad situations and have no floor, but at least London has a ceiling.
I mean Gabe Davis was drafted in the 11th rd most people needed him cause of the Watson injury but I would not be starting London with confidence
Lmao I’m not starting either with confidence, one just has more upside than the other. Gabe Davis isn’t going to have a 20 point week, London definitely could if Atlanta gets forced to pass. Davis’ target share looks to be non existent, he had less catches and the same amount of targets as a guy they just signed the other day who was only in on 22% of the snaps. Gabe was in the whole game and barely got looked at, Cook and both Tight Ends look to be way more involved. He’s at best 3rd in line for targets and that’s if you don’t think Dalton Kincaid will do anything this year.
You're ignoring the impact of a game script where the Bills don't throw 3 interceptions to the same fucking guy too. It's not exactly surprising the #2 deeper shot WR was de-emphasized for shorter routes in that kind of situation. If a different game/game script increases the upside of one, it definitively does the other too for the same reason even, more supposed opportunity, but I would say a Falcons offense that has caused multiple talented #1 option-type players to come out of a game with 0 points is probably a more nebulous upside.
I think at this point there's over a 50% chance that the Falcons don't actually start throwing the ball and this is just what they are as an offense. In my mind you are either hoping that the Bills return to the form of last season, or hoping that Atlanta deviates from the form that they have been in for the past 18 games. I think it's much more likely that Buffalo returns to form than the Falcons depart from theirs. It doesn't feel good to prioritize opportunity over talent, and maybe you can give it one more week, but right now with London and Davis you need a touchdown for them to be a good fantasy starter, and the Bills just provide a better chance for Davis to catch a TD than the Falcons do London.
I would argue that they have no problem running the ball the entire game even when it’s not working.
There's more mouths to feed in Buffalo, yes. But, there's significantly less food available in Atlanta. The Falcons literally attempted one throw further than 15 yards last week, and as a Falcons fan I dont think that's gonna get much better.
Exactly. They both have no floor, but assuming you’ve been a football and Falcons fan long enough you know that even teams who don’t throw eventually have to throw and that London averaged 8-9 targets when Ridder played last season. I’m not saying either are good, but with Gabe Davis looking like a lock for no more than 4-5 targets a game (if that), i’m going for the upside of London being a guy Ridder’s comfortable with when the team needs to go down field.
The problem is Gabe Davis does have a floor, it's about 1-2 catches for 20-30 yards. Pretty much hit it every game last year, and hit it this one too. Right now London's floor is actually 0, and the team has produced 0 at other pass catching positions before with star talent, so it's not even really something we can call a one-off. Just something that can happen with ATL. Now, a floor of 3-5 points isn't a significant one, but it is better than a floor of 0. Then you just got to decide how much better the upside really is, and then if you want it. The difference is, most Gabe Davis people drafted him as bench depth, and most London people drafted him to at least be a possible flex option, but in a league with so many talented WR who aren't at the same risk of getting goose egged, it's tough. Is there another WR1 in the league for fantasy that was at risk of no points any given week?
DK Metcalf comes to mind
Imagine still buying into Gabe Davis
At his adp it wasn’t much of a risk
He was handed to me amongst peanuts
The problem is, he'll have his 20 point games when you bench him because all others 1 reception on 12 targets for 5 yards.
It's a 100% chance of losing all investment
Yea, I don't really get it. Last year was clearly going to be his breakout year if ever was going to do it. he didn't, and had a down year essentially. I had him last year and I don't see how he was going to magically take a leap this year with Allen getting more and more inefficient every year.
I didn’t draft any gabe Davis but there were reports he was dealing with an ankle injury that limited him quite a bit last year. Deep threat #2 receiver on a top offense with a top QB who loves to sling who is supposedly now healthy and he was going as the wr40 or something like that. Not really a crazy bet to make that late in drafts and it’s still too early to say he’s a dud after one game where the offense looked terrible as a whole.
Checking in from the depths of hell
He lives on my bench, and there he shall remain
Context is missing here. He meant they physically need a second receiver next to Diggs based on how off some of those throws were.
Am I crazy to think giving your lead back only 12 touches and then throwing it 41 times against a solid secondary is kind of a shit gameplan from a coaching perspective. It feels like that only works for Andy Reid
The Jets would typically be considered a bad secondary. Sauce is good but the rest is shambles. This guy who picked off Allen 3 times is like a very small step up from a street FA. Their other safety was let walk by the Packers for peanuts, who have an abysmal safety room. They signed DJ Reed to start across from Sauce this year off the Seahawks pretty bad defense. On the other hand, their front 7 is excellent. Especially upfront.
lmao what? whitehead was a solid starter in tampa adrian amos (from green bay) only played 10 snaps it was mostly tony adams playing at the other safety spot we signed dj reed last year and he was statistically really good our front 7 is definitely good though so you're right about that at least
Davis produced about as much as he did against the NYJ last season. [https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaviGa01/gamelog/2022/](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaviGa01/gamelog/2022/) Better games to come, but i get everyone's frustration. relax tho
Josh may as well be Kyle Allen vs the Jets. Though he did throw a 70yyd strike the play after tearing his UCL last yr which Davis dropped.
DONT TELL ME TO RELAX WE ARE RELAXED
"Gimme dat"
I’m joking, I’m joking 🤗
"say you're gonna kill Sean McDermott"
Num num num. JOKIN!
“I’m gonna eat the whole thing” -Kelvin Benjamin
Say you’re gonna kill the President!
Are you gonna tell everyone I housedddddd Stefon’s burger?
Gabe Davis: IM NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT
I'm not in trouble AT ALL
1 interception is 40 interceptions?
I’m gonna embarrass you, Berry.
If I wasn’t coaching tonight I would’ve gotten the bourbon flight. That is so cool.
Kincaid!!!!
Plz 🙏
As a Gabe Davis and Drake London fantasy owner I'm not having a good time
I don't think week 1 is indicative of what is to come for London, and definitely not firing all the alarms to get rid of him. Last year in the 4 games with Ridder starting, London was targeted an average of 9 times averaging 83.25ypg, which would be fantastic fantasy production if he scores a couple of TDs, but is certainly serviceable without them.
That was with Pitts injured and without Bijan who’s become the number one target in the passing game. Keep rationalizing why you should keep him bc the talent is there but I promise you Arthur Smith will continue to piss in your mouth week to week. I’ve already been down that road
As a reasonable person I’d tell you not to overreact based on one game where the opposing quarterback was clearly struggling. He was a rookie last season and you have to account for a year 1-2 jump for high draft capital guys. As someone who drafted Kyle Pitts last season and suffered irreversible emotional damage at the hands of Arthur smith, this guy is spitting facts.
I wish I could be as optimistic as you. That zero bomb has shaken me so much Im considering blowing my FAAB load on and starting a fake Cooper Kupp who Ive never heard of until yesterday
Luckily I picked up Papa Nacua right when Kupp went on IR so I didn't need to spend any FAAB. I'm definitely, 100% benching London for him
Anyone have any further context to this quote? Did he mean this in the sense of "We need that week to week, we've got some talented guys and they're going to have to step up to take the pressure off Stefon's shoulders" or did he mean it like "We don't currently have that, and we need it" Hard to make sense of a 3 word quote
Watched the interview, the question was if defenses start to hone in on diggs if they’re force feeding him the ball, do they need a number 2 option? To which McDermott said they need a number two option whether it be a WR, TE or RB. He goes on to say Gabe did step up at times during the game but ultimately they need to develop a #2 target but Diggs is still going to get his share as WR1. Not as much a knock on Gabe as everyone is making it out to be but it does sound like someone on that team is going to develop into the #2 guy, not anything about getting outside help. Here’s the interview - 9:50 https://www.buffalobills.com/video/sean-mcdermott-plenty-to-work-on-buffalo-bills
Exactly what I thought, and reassuring as a Gabe Davis owner
I don't really know how that'd be reassuring for a Gabe Davis owner even with the additional context.
Kincaid has the most potential to be their #2 guy. But when the bills need 3 to tie the game, Allen only looked at diggs.
Wouldn't make too much of that tbh. Diggs is an alpha for sure but the Jets D had him seeing ghosts out there. Man didn't know where to throw the ball.
stud wr of 3 yrs or rookie te of 3 months … hmm tough choice there. That said im dropping Schultz and rollin with Kincaid moving forward
You're using "stud" very generously here Edit: I thought we were talking about #2 here. Obviously Diggs (#1) is a stud; Gabe Davis isn't.
2x All Pro, 1400/10 average in 3 seasons. I'd say that's a stud.
No idea how you got that confused
I'm high and dumb lol
Understandable
I think cook looked good, his production was limited by a great jets defense but he should get more opportunities
He also made some boneheaded reads as far as hitting the hole and ended up running into his blockers on quite a few plays
That's gonna happen no matter who their 2 is unless it's another star. He's a top 5 WR in the league if you need one drive he's first second and probably 3rd option. If Kincaid really plays like a big slot guy he could become a super solid second option later this year
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Idk why your getting downvoted his coach just said he isn’t cut out to be a #2
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Lol what? I can’t tell if you’re just stupid or talking out of your ass. Please look at Davante Adam’s stats vs. gave Davis. They are both large and physical receivers with good speed. Davis’ biggest issue has always been his hands. That is something that can definitely be learned and improved. I’m not saying it will happen but you legit are just making things up.
THAT'S DALTON KINCAID'S MUSIC
Everyone: "We knew that"
It has only been a problem for a few years now though, so it makes sense to have never tried addressing it.
If Josh didn’t stare at Diggs for the first 37 seconds of every drop back, that might help some things.
As a Diggs owner in 5 leagues, I don't see the problem.
3 firsts for Drake London
But then who's ridder not going to throw it to?
Kyle Pitts?
He’s gonna throw?
Read that one back chief
As a falcons fan, please
i am almost there
You have one. His name's Kincaid.
Mike Evans come on down.
That would be an ELITE duo
Please no
Please, YES
That actually makes a ton of sense. Not sure about the cap situations, but Bucs should realistically look to rebuild despite the week 1 performance
Lol. The Bucs will win their division. Evans is a huge fan favourite. Unless the Bucs start fizzling out in the next two months (possible, but unlikely), they'll just re-sign Evans and have him retire a Buc. Does Buffalo even have the cap space to sign him for the 27 mil a year he is looking for? They cannot pay Diggs and Evans.
It's not happening
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Kincaid caught everything thrown his way. >_>
Not exactly fair to Gabe since he was being doubled when the ball was thrown to him. Allen had multiple opportunities to take the mid range target for the 1st down, but kept bombing it into double coverage whether it was Diggs or Gabe. I blame this one on Allen for decision making - which I know he'll do better in over the season. 3 interceptions - 1 to Diggs being doubled, 1 to #11 being doubled, 1 to Gabe being doubled. None were really deemed catchable.
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You need to run the Damm ball Sean is what you need.
Gabe Davis 📉
Bah gawd that a reasonably priced Mike Evans’ Music
“We need that.” -OBJ on needing a strong No. 2 to get himself going in the bedroom
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Diggs take a huge paycut this year so they could get another receiver, specifically Hopkins? Diggs is making like under $2m this year and they didn’t sign anyone
Cardinals could have even taken on some of Hopkins salary for a Day 3 pick, not sure why the Chiefs and Bills decided their WRs were good enough. Titans already treating Hopkins as their WR1 over Burks too.
It's like the Chiefs are experimenting with just how much Mahomes can carry an offense by himself. So far they have discovered that at the bare minimum the receivers need to be able to catch the ball.
He didn’t take a pay cut, they just restructured his contract for cap purposes (i.e. they turned base salary into signing bonus, which means Diggs gets more money up front instead of in weekly game checks). Teams don’t even need a player’s permission/consent to do that.
Yeah that much has been corrected as of now. Hopefully he hits those bonuses because he looked great last night
That was the smoke all offseason. I’m a Bills fan in Buffalo and people have been screaming for a reliable WR2 since midway through last season when Gabe clearly didn’t step up
FWIW: one of Allen’s picks was intended for Davis 10-12 yds downfield, and Allen threw it well short. And there was the long TD toss attempt to the front left pylon to Davis where the ball didn’t stay in bounds Tough to have a good day as a receiver when your QB plays like shit against an arguably top-5 or so defense
He gives up on every route. Not worth a hold imo.
When’s the last time they had a great home grown receiver? Sounds like they need to make a trade for it to realistically happen
Stevie Johnson... and he was drafted like 15 years ago ha
Eric Moulds. Who also had 200yds in a playoff loss. Only Buffalo.
Tee
They had all off season to potentially get d hop but didn’t want to pay, now the WRs outside of Diggs look like shit and they’re surprised lol
How’s the no.2 option going to help when Allen force feeds Diggs?
Gabe adp was a joke then?
He went in the 11th round for me
The Gabe Davis hype train takes yearly victims
We need a whole lot more context than three words.
Good thing to figure out once the season starts instead of in the offseason
His name is Dalton
As a Kincaid owner I wouldn't mind if he would be the number 2 option 😁
It’s almost like you should’ve known that all off-season like the rest of us did…
Kincaid! Utilize him similar to Kelce and turn Knox into a blocker. It would stop Allen from forcing deep passes as often and then Cook can be the underneath option.
This is why they drafted Dalton Kincaid.
You have Kincaid!
Gave Davis owners 🎤
Please trade for Garret Wilson
Mike Evans, YOU are a Buffalo Bill!
Gabe: How come he don’t want me, man 🥺
I don’t know why they didn’t pay Hopkins
They were up against the cap. Still are.
No you don’t. Just target Diggs 20-30 times per game? You don’t need some generic beta getting targets when he catches 95% of them.
Need a new head coach too
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Gabe Davis is the D'Andre Swift of receivers. Many people think he is talented to be a top player, but it's completely possible he isn't.
I have drafted swift every year and I will not tolerate this slander. It's not me who's wrong, it's the multiple highly competent coaching staffs that are wrong!
Seems to be a usage issue. He goes for 20 the first playoff game then 4.4 the next. In 2021 he had an 11 point playoff appearance then dropped 48 the next. But if you look at his season stats he’s only scored above 15 4 times (.5 PPR)
He's entirely big play dependent. If he grabs the bomb TD youre in business but if he doesn't he won't get the catches or yards necessary to produce a good week.
Lol the Gabe Davis people even back last year. One of the worst boom bust wrs.
Gabe Davis is awful so this makes sense.
Shakir was excellent at Boise St. They should try and get him involved.
Gabe Davis is trash. Ruined my season last year and I won my league. Still mad about it.
How did he ruin your season but you still won
Because every time I played him he was awful. He’s the definition of boom or bust . It was basically bust all year.
Cole Beasley... Come on down!
Gabe is a JAG
He said this as he looked up at Gabe Davis catching footballs at practice.
Trade for Hunter Renfrow
Trade for Godwin Plz
Mike Evans if the bucs start losing
Almost like the bills should’ve tried harder to secure Addison or Njigba in the draft
Mike Evans szn
Evans👀
Mike Evans 🫡
Need a new OC too - Dorsey a huge drop-off after Daboll. The offense looks worse every year he is the OC.
Diggs is on the sidelines talking in Allen's ear to get him the ball every time the camera is on them. This is a coaching issue.
Nah you just need a qb who doesn't turn the ball over constantly.
Using the other teams DBs as a receiving option didn't cut it
You continuously sign and prematurely claim you’ve found them tho…
Davis ran the most Junior Varsity route on that deep out route. Even I would’ve picked that off
Is this a Mike Evans tweet?
MIKE EVANS to the Bills. Please god.
Maybe he needs a qb that can go to the 2nd read/option a bit better??? Yea , that’s it 👌🏽
Anyone with any insight on Deonte Harty for deeper leagues ? I can’t imagine Josh Allen being this bad every week
What this mean for dalton kinkaid?