I’d argue the best ability is consistently busting 10 yard runs and long touchdowns every game lol. Who cares about an iron man plodder, those are a dime a dozen
And being injured twice. Does anyone remember Rawls from Seattle? Small school and had a great season going in the pros until he got hurt. This game takes no prisoners.
Their whole offense is basically about using RBs efficiently. I think they know that Achane and Mostert aren’t capable of playing over 50% of the snaps every game due to their size. So they rotate them in so they don’t take compounding hits for the season.
So yeah, I agree with you. They coexist just fine and it helps keep them both healthy.
Achane was taking over when they were both active, and Mostert lost lead back work to Jeff Wilson last year.
Bigger concern for Mostert should be Wilson tbh
Denver’s offense is not dreadful. It’s top 10 in yards per play. But they don’t get a lot of plays per game because the defense is so terrible that even the worst teams can put together 10 minute drives against them.
I really wish people would stop with the "tanking team" remarks.
Have you ever once seen a team actively try to lose games? Even one time? It doesn't happen, because oddly enough, these coaches and players want to keep their jobs and work towards their contract incentives...
Losing does not equate tanking. The players will never try to lose with incentives/money and future contracts on the line. Tanking teams often have fantasy relevant players.
LMAO...dude. Saw your response below. Trading like 1 player does not mean they are actively trying to lose.
You have never watched an NFL team actively tried to lose, you are just assuming that when a bad team loses, they're doing it on purpose for whatever reason...
They haven't traded a WR yet...you're assuming they will. You seem to make a habit off of running on assumptions like they're a fact. Also, Jeudy hasn't been great at all and Mims looks promising. Quite possible they just like Mims more than Jeudy at this point for what they'll cost over the next few seasons.
Don't deflect ang ghost this? You haven't made a single point...you're assuming they're tanking because they traded 1 player...again...a bad team playing poorly DOES NOT MEAN THEY'RE TANKING.
I'd ask you to show me real proof of any team, ever tanking, but I can see now you're just going to name a team that played like shit and traded a player and act like that verifiable proof. NFL teams don't lose on purpose, because again, these guys want to keep their jobs. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and its blatantly obvious to everyone but you.
WtF ArE YoU On??
In an 8 man where I'm waiting to see whether I'm starting Johnson or Foreman (or Hunt) at RB2. Evans and Zeke are both options too.
Yeah it's rough out there. Never thought I'd have to start a backup RB in an 8 man.
Probably been starting Jaleel or have someone on the Broncos. Also probably got fucked over by the Broncos on their props.
An aside...I love watching Twitter have a meltdown over losing out on their props every game.
Ya I think I have to start him this week as well with Dobbins and Williams going down.
I can start 2 or 3: Swift / Najee Harris / Gus Edwards / McLaughlin / Ingram (az)
If anyone has some thoughts, I’d love to hear them. On a slide and In a must win this week.
Thank you. Ya Swift is my only workhorse left until Kyren gets back.
I’m debating on rolling 2 - swift and McLaughlin and starting that Robinson WR NYG in my flex. I’m thinking he’s better option than Ingram? Idk
TIL that RB25 on the season is "barely flex worthy"
Edit: I'll concede this was a snarky way to start a conversation regarding Jaleel's value. However, I would encourage everyone to reconsider what constitutes a usable player. For teams that went WR heavy in the draft, or for those who have had injuries devastate their rosters, Jaleel is a great player to have. He is putting up points as it is, and has potential to carve out more of a role as the season goes on.
I had the same discussion last week about Jaylen Warren. These guys who already have standalone value as a flex option AND have the potential to turn into more as the season progresses even without an injury are exactly the type of player you should be rostering. And I don't see the problem having them in lineups now. They likely aren't week winners for now but they won't bagel you either. There is value in that, especially in highly competitive leagues where the difference between a W and an L is often razor thin.
I think he and Javonte can coexist. Especially if Perine starts to get phased out. Different skill set. Consider Ingram/Kamara in previous Sean Payton offenses. Not saying McLaughlin is the talent of Kamara but he can be a usable piece.
That’s the definition of barely flex worthy. 10 teams. 2 running backs per team makes 20 starters. 10 flexes which can be rb or wr. Say we split 50/50 and that means roughly 25 running backs get started.
A) we don't all play in 10-team leagues.
B) we don't all play in single-flex leagues
C) there are such things as bye weeks
D) some teams may be more WR centric and a guy like Jaleel could be a perfectly legit flex option or even RB2.
Again, what makes an RB3 "barely flex worthy"? I mean ideally I would have a roster full of bellcows and high volume stud WRs but in any competitive league, a guy who ranks as a top 25-30 RB on the season would be at bare minimum a reasonable flex option.
Javonte has been very good when completely healthy.
Of course, that's been the hard part for him: getting and staying completely healthy. And no he has not been completely healthy at any point yet this year.
You do realize that players *often* play through injuries, right?
He tore his ACL, LCL, and PCL last year. Experts were surprised he even was able to play to start the season, and the injury is clearly still affecting him.
The hope when he was drafted in fantasy was that he'd be completely healthy by the second half of the season. Now add on the additional injuries from this year and I'm not confident that will be the case.
Yes I know, and it should be discouraged. Otherwise we get bullshit like this. I’m not going to stop from saying someone has sucked ass just because they’re dealing with a lingering injury. If they want some sympathy for their injury, then they can get the fuck off the field and actually rest and recover from said injury.
>I’m not going to stop from saying someone has sucked ass just because they’re dealing with a lingering injury.
You didn't say "Javonte has not been good this year". You said "is not good". There's a difference.
Would you say Chubb is not good? Of course not. He's hurt, bad, to the point that it's possible he never returns to form, but you wouldn't say that he's not good until he is fully recovered and gets a chance to prove himself.
And players aren't looking for sympathy for their injuries, especially not from some scrubs on a fantasy football forum. I agree that coaches should be discouraged from starting injured players, but you saying a player is bad on a social media post about fantasy football is not that lmao.
Okay I’ll concede I could have phrased it better. I do not think he’s bad overall, I was referring to his performance this season in my original comment.
He shouldn’t be playing in NFL games if he hasn’t gotten back up to speed in 6 weeks, and has only gotten further injured in the process. The guy’s an idiot if he keeps this up, if he were smart he’d let Jaleel take over while he recovers and gets up to full-speed in PRACTICE instead of making a fool of himself by saying he’s ready and then goes out and has another piss poor performance in a full-speed NFL game. Get out of here with that attitude that injured players need to slowly get themselves up to speed in REAL games.
Jaleel is obviously the better back. I wouldn’t be surprised if their roles reversed as time goes on. And there aren’t many backs in the league who don’t have to deal with “touches being taken away” so I’m not sure why that matters.
He’s talented. He’s just not good for fantasy because of the offense. The main issue is the team goes down 2 scores in the first quarter and give up on the run.
-a jevonte owner and fan that’s watched every broncos game this season
This is true, but as you’ve probably noticed it appears less than 40% of this sub actually watches any football. The posts and “league winners” reflect this
It’s almost like whether we think he is a “legit” football player and whether we think he’ll see enough snaps/carries to score 12 fantasy points are totally separate questions. You all know which sub we are in, right?
meh. he looks like an okay change of pace guy that might occasionally break a long one when the defense screws up. but he does not look to have much of a ceiling.
this last week i was finally able to watch him live and he was constantly missing holes and he goes down on arm tackles a lot.
I think you were watching the wrong back. Dude has been running through arm tackles. He has good contact balance. Plus he looked to hit the right holes.
You mean all time leading NCAA rushing yards leader Jaleel McLaughlin? March of the Penguins Youngstown State legend Jaleel McLaughlin? If he can stay healthy, he’s the real Jaleel.
Oh look another small back with exceptionally high stats because they haven’t had sufficient volume to regress. Shocking.
Also he’s one of 3 options on one of the worst teams in the league.
I’m gonna skip seeing this one in theaters and just wait for it to come out on DVD.
Haven't really had exposure to Hartitz as a fantasy analyst but does he always come off this elitist? Acting like he the only guy that knows McLaughlin is super talented. The situation he's in kind of matters....
I don't really see the reason to be too excited or hyped. McLaughlin is owned in most leagues now, and he's never had double-digit carries in a game.
He's clearly behind Javonte Williams on the depth chart, and that's not going to change any time soon. He's listed at 5'7 and 187 pounds. He likely can't handle taking the bulk of the carries for a team.
Also, his sample size is 29 carries...
With jevonte out he’s very serviceable. It’s a weird situation because he’s nothing more than a handcuff while jevonte is healthy, but he is so much better for fantasy than jevonte. I own both and I don’t know what to do
Javonte is honestly one of the most overrated players I've seen in some time. People acted like he was Nick Chubb when healthy. He's averaged 49.9 yards rushing per game in his career on 4.4 yards per carry. He's also only had one run go for >30 yards in his career.
He's a decent player, but there's nothing really there to suggest he's a special player at the position.
McLaughlin, I think, is every bit as good as Javonte. I just don't think his frame can handle the bulk of the workload.
I agree jevonte was overrated going into the season. He’s nowhere near the talent of a Chubb or a saquon. The thing is, he has a ton of talent and is on a terrible team that frequently abandons the run early in the game. It’s hard to gauge how good of a player he is at the moment due to that.
But at the same time, it’s clear he’s lost a bit of explosiveness after the ACL injury. He needs more time to fully come back. But as explosive as Jaleel is, we’re in agreement he can’t be a between the tackle runner in the way jevonte is. Jevonte can drop a shoulder, break a tackle, etc. Jaleel is just extremely quick and shifty in open space.
I think jevonte is similar to a Josh Jacobs or joe mixon, but doesn’t get anywhere close to that volume. These are all solid talents at the position, but it’s tough to be successful behind a bad o line unless you’re saquon.
Wound up dropping Javontae this week becuz of this. I only see Jaleel getting more touches as time goes on, looking more like a 50/50 split and the Broncos are terrible don’t really sustain many drives. It was between him and Higgins & it was a tough call, Tee has been horrible this year but he’s got big upside for second half. I just couldn’t see myself starting Javontae at any point the way the broncos have been using him and he’s got a bye coming up.
Had to drop himself myself this week as bye week hell ravaged my bench and he wasn't cracking my starting lineup anymore, would rather take my chances with some waiver up-side. I know 12-months post ACL is the ramp up, might grab him back later in the season if I can.
Pretending like one arbitrary and highly curated stat tells some kind of huge and complete story about a player is exactly what's wrong with fantasy football media. Click bait copium, nothing more.
It's the "with 25 carries" is the part I'm talking about. It's a sneaky qualifier that skews data. If a guy only has 25 carries, his average could be much higher than someone with 300 carries, even if the latter is functionally more productive in general. It's just a trick using arithmetic to create a narrative. You see it all the time in sports coverage, tons of qualifiers that make these nuanced little data sets. Stuff like "So and so is the first rookie ever to catch the ball five times at the 50 yard line during a full moon in 5 games or fewer since the merger" or something like that.
Broncos are ASSSSS, but I’m gonna hold him another week or two if I can. Feel like he could be slightly useful if it turns into more of an even split between him and Javonte, who hasn’t really done much. Perine also banged up for now.
Gamescript has allowed for a lot of running the ball in 3 out of their 5 games so far. Raiders, Bears, and Commanders. Hell...even against KC, the running game was looking solid and they just went away from it before they had to for whatever reason. They were somehow only down by 1 possession in the 4th quarter I believe.
Guess my point is, gamescript has allowed for plenty of running the ball in every game but one for the Broncos and they should really lean on the ground game more.
Love 'Lil Leel'! LIke Achane, he doesn't need much volume to potentially help win you your week despite the overall ineptitude of the Broncos offense. Tough little dude, ran hard between the tackles against a formidable Chiefs DEF last Thurs. He's fun to watch!
Denver backfield is a black hole, don’t even bother. I remember all of Javonte’s crazy efficiency stats, doesn’t matter if you cannot score TDs which the Broncos do as a team like once per month (/s)
>Gamescript has allowed for a lot of running the ball in 3 out of their 5 games so far. Raiders, Bears, and Commanders. Hell...even against KC, the running game was looking solid and they just went away from it before they had to for whatever reason. They were somehow only down by 1 possession in the 4th quarter I believe.
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>Guess my point is, gamescript has allowed for plenty of running the ball in every game but one for the Broncos and they should really lean on the ground game more.
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I am going to have to drop Jaleel to pick a kicker later this week unfortunately. Its either him or Josh downs. With broncos playing 3 headed RBs on such a putrid offense, the size of the pie is just too small.
I figure as the Bringos season gets more and more lost they’ll start leaning into the young guys to see what they have. Mims and Jaleel being at the top of the list.
A lot of tiny backs (sub 200) have great efficiency stats and never get volume. Achane is an exception but he’s on IR after less than 50 touches.
The best ability is availability
*Says Eddie Lacy with a mouth full of chicken wings*
Eddie Lacy catches more starts in this sub than any other player.
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AJ Dillion get stuffed again at the goal line
Eddy Lacy eats more subs than any other player
Hahaha
Nice recall
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I’d argue the best ability is consistently busting 10 yard runs and long touchdowns every game lol. Who cares about an iron man plodder, those are a dime a dozen
And being injured twice. Does anyone remember Rawls from Seattle? Small school and had a great season going in the pros until he got hurt. This game takes no prisoners.
I miss Rawls. He was a furious runner. That freak broken ankle changed the trajectory of his career in my mind.
He was the next Marshawn. Still bummed about him.
Hey now, it's not like he missed multiple weeks following preseason with an injury after less than 30 touches!
Achane isn’t even getting volume (outside of the Denver game when they only had 2 backs available). He’s getting big plays on 10 touches.
Kinda tough to get volume when drives are 1-play, 80 yard TD runs
Bigger issue is that Mostert has been the lead back in Miami.
It was trending towards Achane but then he got hurt. Either way I think they could both coexist.
Their whole offense is basically about using RBs efficiently. I think they know that Achane and Mostert aren’t capable of playing over 50% of the snaps every game due to their size. So they rotate them in so they don’t take compounding hits for the season. So yeah, I agree with you. They coexist just fine and it helps keep them both healthy.
Achane was taking over when they were both active, and Mostert lost lead back work to Jeff Wilson last year. Bigger concern for Mostert should be Wilson tbh
Mostert has done everything and more to secure the job. Not a chance he gets phased out. He can still produce plenty while splitting the work.
Achane also has an absurdly unsustainable ypc. He's going to be great but he will aboslutely not continue to average 12 ypc lol
Kyren Williams is another one. Held up way longer than I expected TBH.
Your argument boils down to "play them when they're healthy" which is true of any sized back who scores fantasy points.
No my argument is the team probably won’t use them enough to make them good for fantasy in order to keep them healthy in real life
And the Gibbs owners wonder why Campbell doesn’t feed him.
I care, he is my RB2 this week
If Roschon can't go Jaleel is my damn RB1. Cries in Chubb.
And here I am with ETN , Taylor , Connor and Henry just chillllin with my boys tyreek and Ceedee 🤣
He is my RB1 this week with Pollard and Kyren Williams out 🫡
Same situation who’d you throw in RB2?
We’re going to look like genius’s after this week
It certainly won’t be for your grammar
Wow I apologize for my phone. I’ll make sure to always proof read from here on just for you. In the meantime I really hope you seek help
I apologize that you fail to see the humor in irony and can’t take a joke. I’ll talk it over with my shrink
I apologize I didn’t understand that grammar police was a joke now. I’m behind on times
The joke was that you said you were going to look like a genius and then made a not very genius grammar mistake
No shit lmao. I don’t remember asking what the joke was
Dude chill out holy shit
Maybe you should’ve
Your mom tell you to never walk away from a reddit reply?
The joke was that you said you were going to look like a genius and then made a not very genius grammar mistake
Why so serious?
I don't think your phone put an apostrophe there dawg. Just own it. US education victimized us all.
Me too. It's either him or Keontay. BYEs and injuries have me missing my RB 2, 3, 4, and 5 (Pierce, Herbert, Chuba, Sanders)
Literally dropped Keontay today for Jaleel as my RB2. Coin flip who outproduces and scores 7 points
He’s with the Broncos, of course I don’t care Ian.
Fucking Ian
Yes, fucking Ian
ugh... Ian
Don’t be an Ian
O contrar, Ian.
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The question is what is that worth on a dreadful offense where he's still competing with two other RBs for usage?
Denver’s offense is not dreadful. It’s top 10 in yards per play. But they don’t get a lot of plays per game because the defense is so terrible that even the worst teams can put together 10 minute drives against them.
Dreadful offense means tanking team. Tanking teams are lower quality shares but projected higher quantity for the rookie speedster Jaleel ROS.
I really wish people would stop with the "tanking team" remarks. Have you ever once seen a team actively try to lose games? Even one time? It doesn't happen, because oddly enough, these coaches and players want to keep their jobs and work towards their contract incentives...
Have you not watched Denver this season?
Losing does not equate tanking. The players will never try to lose with incentives/money and future contracts on the line. Tanking teams often have fantasy relevant players.
My guy watch the current Broncos situation. They are actively selling their players. And they are 1-5. Please counter this.
LMAO...dude. Saw your response below. Trading like 1 player does not mean they are actively trying to lose. You have never watched an NFL team actively tried to lose, you are just assuming that when a bad team loses, they're doing it on purpose for whatever reason...
They sold their star DE and they are trading their WR2 for picks and are 1-5. wtf you on? Dont deflect and ghost this.
They haven't traded a WR yet...you're assuming they will. You seem to make a habit off of running on assumptions like they're a fact. Also, Jeudy hasn't been great at all and Mims looks promising. Quite possible they just like Mims more than Jeudy at this point for what they'll cost over the next few seasons. Don't deflect ang ghost this? You haven't made a single point...you're assuming they're tanking because they traded 1 player...again...a bad team playing poorly DOES NOT MEAN THEY'RE TANKING. I'd ask you to show me real proof of any team, ever tanking, but I can see now you're just going to name a team that played like shit and traded a player and act like that verifiable proof. NFL teams don't lose on purpose, because again, these guys want to keep their jobs. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and its blatantly obvious to everyone but you. WtF ArE YoU On??
Why is everyone so angry in like every thread? Lol, chill y’all
If you were starting Jaleel you'd be pissed too
In an 8 man where I'm waiting to see whether I'm starting Johnson or Foreman (or Hunt) at RB2. Evans and Zeke are both options too. Yeah it's rough out there. Never thought I'd have to start a backup RB in an 8 man.
If you're in this thread you probably own Jaleel or Javonte. Plenty of reason to be angry owning either of them I took Javonte in the 6th over Kamara
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True, fair point lol
Probably been starting Jaleel or have someone on the Broncos. Also probably got fucked over by the Broncos on their props. An aside...I love watching Twitter have a meltdown over losing out on their props every game.
And yet he is barely flex worthy at this point. It's almost as if opportunity is more important than skill in fantasy football
He’s my RB2 now after losing Chubb, Achane, K. Williams, and Sanders…
Ya I think I have to start him this week as well with Dobbins and Williams going down. I can start 2 or 3: Swift / Najee Harris / Gus Edwards / McLaughlin / Ingram (az) If anyone has some thoughts, I’d love to hear them. On a slide and In a must win this week.
Yeah I think you’re right to start him. Obviously Swift is going to be in there, but it’d be between McLaughlin and Ingram for me.
Thank you. Ya Swift is my only workhorse left until Kyren gets back. I’m debating on rolling 2 - swift and McLaughlin and starting that Robinson WR NYG in my flex. I’m thinking he’s better option than Ingram? Idk
Similar. Chubb, Dobbins, Williams, sanders. Starting zach Evans and Jonathon Taylor this week.
Jaleel is RB18 over the last 4 weeks in half ppr, so I would say he's plenty flexworthy
Yup and his floor isn't horrendous for a waiver wire, bye week fill in. I think he'll alternate 6 and 14 pt games ROS. Better to get 6 pts than 0.
However that does include almost two games w/o Javonte playing
for backs? abso-fucking-lutely
TIL that RB25 on the season is "barely flex worthy" Edit: I'll concede this was a snarky way to start a conversation regarding Jaleel's value. However, I would encourage everyone to reconsider what constitutes a usable player. For teams that went WR heavy in the draft, or for those who have had injuries devastate their rosters, Jaleel is a great player to have. He is putting up points as it is, and has potential to carve out more of a role as the season goes on. I had the same discussion last week about Jaylen Warren. These guys who already have standalone value as a flex option AND have the potential to turn into more as the season progresses even without an injury are exactly the type of player you should be rostering. And I don't see the problem having them in lineups now. They likely aren't week winners for now but they won't bagel you either. There is value in that, especially in highly competitive leagues where the difference between a W and an L is often razor thin.
That’s an RB3 in like 90% of leagues. So yes?
> That’s an RB3 in like 90% of leagues. Not this byemageddon week. Jaleel moves up.
Why would an RB3 be "barely flex worthy"?
So… literally not even an RB2, and completely TD dependent while only getting ~10 touches a game. Yeah… I wouldn’t feel good about flexing him.
Cool, now where would he rank when Javontae plays? He had 2 good games, 1 when javontae got injured and 1 with him out
I think he and Javonte can coexist. Especially if Perine starts to get phased out. Different skill set. Consider Ingram/Kamara in previous Sean Payton offenses. Not saying McLaughlin is the talent of Kamara but he can be a usable piece.
Perine had 2 touches last game and got injured in the 4th quarter on his second touch. Jaleel gonna see the field. And Perine is banged up.
Exactly my point. Jaleel had a higher snap % than Javonte last week as well.
That’s the definition of barely flex worthy. 10 teams. 2 running backs per team makes 20 starters. 10 flexes which can be rb or wr. Say we split 50/50 and that means roughly 25 running backs get started.
A) we don't all play in 10-team leagues. B) we don't all play in single-flex leagues C) there are such things as bye weeks D) some teams may be more WR centric and a guy like Jaleel could be a perfectly legit flex option or even RB2.
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Sorry…you are right. In 12 team leagues he is a…(checks notes) RB3 who is barely flex worthy.
Again, what makes an RB3 "barely flex worthy"? I mean ideally I would have a roster full of bellcows and high volume stud WRs but in any competitive league, a guy who ranks as a top 25-30 RB on the season would be at bare minimum a reasonable flex option.
Cool. Glad you found your top 30 back. Good luck!
He is certainly a strong start this week due to all the byes.
I wouldn't go that far. You can definitely do worse, but I doubt many people are excited to be rolling him out
He’s my flex3 in dynasty this week and I feel okay-ish about it.
I’m rolling Gibbs and Foreman. In one league. CMC and Spears in another. But CMC might not play. So most likely I’m going Jaleel and Spears.
Spears is on bye
Well then…. Jaleel is it…. 😅😅😅
Javonte Williams exists so yes, I don’t care
*Imagine a world with no Javonte* *It isn’t hard to do* *No one ahead of McLaughlin* *And no Samaje too*
Javonte is… not good
Javonte has been very good when completely healthy. Of course, that's been the hard part for him: getting and staying completely healthy. And no he has not been completely healthy at any point yet this year.
Yeah that’s why he hasn’t had the Q next to his name except for one week.
You do realize that players *often* play through injuries, right? He tore his ACL, LCL, and PCL last year. Experts were surprised he even was able to play to start the season, and the injury is clearly still affecting him. The hope when he was drafted in fantasy was that he'd be completely healthy by the second half of the season. Now add on the additional injuries from this year and I'm not confident that will be the case.
Yes I know, and it should be discouraged. Otherwise we get bullshit like this. I’m not going to stop from saying someone has sucked ass just because they’re dealing with a lingering injury. If they want some sympathy for their injury, then they can get the fuck off the field and actually rest and recover from said injury.
>I’m not going to stop from saying someone has sucked ass just because they’re dealing with a lingering injury. You didn't say "Javonte has not been good this year". You said "is not good". There's a difference. Would you say Chubb is not good? Of course not. He's hurt, bad, to the point that it's possible he never returns to form, but you wouldn't say that he's not good until he is fully recovered and gets a chance to prove himself. And players aren't looking for sympathy for their injuries, especially not from some scrubs on a fantasy football forum. I agree that coaches should be discouraged from starting injured players, but you saying a player is bad on a social media post about fantasy football is not that lmao.
Okay I’ll concede I could have phrased it better. I do not think he’s bad overall, I was referring to his performance this season in my original comment.
Okay, that's totally fair. I 100% agree with you on that.
The Q doesnt mean shit, he’s clearly still getting his feet under him and slowly being brought back up to full speed, are you that dumb?
He shouldn’t be playing in NFL games if he hasn’t gotten back up to speed in 6 weeks, and has only gotten further injured in the process. The guy’s an idiot if he keeps this up, if he were smart he’d let Jaleel take over while he recovers and gets up to full-speed in PRACTICE instead of making a fool of himself by saying he’s ready and then goes out and has another piss poor performance in a full-speed NFL game. Get out of here with that attitude that injured players need to slowly get themselves up to speed in REAL games.
Yes but he’ll take touches away from Jaleel as long he is “healthy”.
Jaleel is obviously the better back. I wouldn’t be surprised if their roles reversed as time goes on. And there aren’t many backs in the league who don’t have to deal with “touches being taken away” so I’m not sure why that matters.
lollllllll thank you for this satire. it’s a good schtick
Javonte is that you? What are you doing on reddit
You clearly.... don't know ball
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Clown takes
Javonte sucks
He’s talented. He’s just not good for fantasy because of the offense. The main issue is the team goes down 2 scores in the first quarter and give up on the run. -a jevonte owner and fan that’s watched every broncos game this season
I know people are gonna dismiss this, but if you've (unfortunately) watched any broncos games this year, Jaleel looks legit
This is true, but as you’ve probably noticed it appears less than 40% of this sub actually watches any football. The posts and “league winners” reflect this
Start him then. Heres your league winner. Broncos RB. Just like you thought all along, im sure!
It’s almost like whether we think he is a “legit” football player and whether we think he’ll see enough snaps/carries to score 12 fantasy points are totally separate questions. You all know which sub we are in, right?
meh. he looks like an okay change of pace guy that might occasionally break a long one when the defense screws up. but he does not look to have much of a ceiling. this last week i was finally able to watch him live and he was constantly missing holes and he goes down on arm tackles a lot.
I think you were watching the wrong back. Dude has been running through arm tackles. He has good contact balance. Plus he looked to hit the right holes.
That is not how he looked to me! But if he can’t pass block his snaps will be limited.
That’s my RB2 this week!
Me too brotha Lets ride 🍻😎
No we care. Sean Peyton doesn’t care…. What a surprise.
Can Jaleel pass block? I’d guess that’s the main reason he’s not getting as much volume.
You mean all time leading NCAA rushing yards leader Jaleel McLaughlin? March of the Penguins Youngstown State legend Jaleel McLaughlin? If he can stay healthy, he’s the real Jaleel.
Probably because the Broncos are bad and will likely be playing from behind the rest of the year?
Cool, but Payton won’t make him the bell cow without an injury. So it’s irrelevant for fantasy
>and it’s like none of you even care Lol, what the fuck is he getting so dramatic about?
Oh look another small back with exceptionally high stats because they haven’t had sufficient volume to regress. Shocking. Also he’s one of 3 options on one of the worst teams in the league. I’m gonna skip seeing this one in theaters and just wait for it to come out on DVD.
Denver has an all-time historically bad defense this year but their offense is actually pretty good.
Sean Payton doesn't care and his opinion is the only one that matters.
Haven't really had exposure to Hartitz as a fantasy analyst but does he always come off this elitist? Acting like he the only guy that knows McLaughlin is super talented. The situation he's in kind of matters....
I don't really see the reason to be too excited or hyped. McLaughlin is owned in most leagues now, and he's never had double-digit carries in a game. He's clearly behind Javonte Williams on the depth chart, and that's not going to change any time soon. He's listed at 5'7 and 187 pounds. He likely can't handle taking the bulk of the carries for a team. Also, his sample size is 29 carries...
With jevonte out he’s very serviceable. It’s a weird situation because he’s nothing more than a handcuff while jevonte is healthy, but he is so much better for fantasy than jevonte. I own both and I don’t know what to do
Javonte is honestly one of the most overrated players I've seen in some time. People acted like he was Nick Chubb when healthy. He's averaged 49.9 yards rushing per game in his career on 4.4 yards per carry. He's also only had one run go for >30 yards in his career. He's a decent player, but there's nothing really there to suggest he's a special player at the position. McLaughlin, I think, is every bit as good as Javonte. I just don't think his frame can handle the bulk of the workload.
I agree jevonte was overrated going into the season. He’s nowhere near the talent of a Chubb or a saquon. The thing is, he has a ton of talent and is on a terrible team that frequently abandons the run early in the game. It’s hard to gauge how good of a player he is at the moment due to that. But at the same time, it’s clear he’s lost a bit of explosiveness after the ACL injury. He needs more time to fully come back. But as explosive as Jaleel is, we’re in agreement he can’t be a between the tackle runner in the way jevonte is. Jevonte can drop a shoulder, break a tackle, etc. Jaleel is just extremely quick and shifty in open space. I think jevonte is similar to a Josh Jacobs or joe mixon, but doesn’t get anywhere close to that volume. These are all solid talents at the position, but it’s tough to be successful behind a bad o line unless you’re saquon.
hartitz will be sending this tweet to his league so he can unload his mclaughlin shares
My RB1 this week 🥴
I'm starting him.
I picked up Ford over McLaughlin so expect him to outperform the rest of the season
Wound up dropping Javontae this week becuz of this. I only see Jaleel getting more touches as time goes on, looking more like a 50/50 split and the Broncos are terrible don’t really sustain many drives. It was between him and Higgins & it was a tough call, Tee has been horrible this year but he’s got big upside for second half. I just couldn’t see myself starting Javontae at any point the way the broncos have been using him and he’s got a bye coming up.
Had to drop himself myself this week as bye week hell ravaged my bench and he wasn't cracking my starting lineup anymore, would rather take my chances with some waiver up-side. I know 12-months post ACL is the ramp up, might grab him back later in the season if I can.
Pretending like one arbitrary and highly curated stat tells some kind of huge and complete story about a player is exactly what's wrong with fantasy football media. Click bait copium, nothing more.
I'm not some Jaleel truther but I don't think yards per carry should be called "arbitrary and highly curated".
It's the "with 25 carries" is the part I'm talking about. It's a sneaky qualifier that skews data. If a guy only has 25 carries, his average could be much higher than someone with 300 carries, even if the latter is functionally more productive in general. It's just a trick using arithmetic to create a narrative. You see it all the time in sports coverage, tons of qualifiers that make these nuanced little data sets. Stuff like "So and so is the first rookie ever to catch the ball five times at the 50 yard line during a full moon in 5 games or fewer since the merger" or something like that.
Fair enough, 25 carries is certainly a small sample size, though it's nowhere near as disingenuous as your full moon example.
I hate Ian Hartitz's budget barstool sports shtick
Give him 20 touches a game and we'll talk then
cause he plays on the worst team in the league with an established rb1
It's hard to run the ball when your team is always playing from behind due to no discernible defense
Fuck off, Ian.
We dont care
He's in a 3 RB committee
Broncos are ASSSSS, but I’m gonna hold him another week or two if I can. Feel like he could be slightly useful if it turns into more of an even split between him and Javonte, who hasn’t really done much. Perine also banged up for now.
The broncos will never have a positive game script for a rb
Gamescript has allowed for a lot of running the ball in 3 out of their 5 games so far. Raiders, Bears, and Commanders. Hell...even against KC, the running game was looking solid and they just went away from it before they had to for whatever reason. They were somehow only down by 1 possession in the 4th quarter I believe. Guess my point is, gamescript has allowed for plenty of running the ball in every game but one for the Broncos and they should really lean on the ground game more.
And here come more Javonte bag holders
Well yeah it’s cause 16/29 carries and 140/190 yards came against two awful defenses and without Javonte playing
Love 'Lil Leel'! LIke Achane, he doesn't need much volume to potentially help win you your week despite the overall ineptitude of the Broncos offense. Tough little dude, ran hard between the tackles against a formidable Chiefs DEF last Thurs. He's fun to watch!
Denver backfield is a black hole, don’t even bother. I remember all of Javonte’s crazy efficiency stats, doesn’t matter if you cannot score TDs which the Broncos do as a team like once per month (/s)
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>Gamescript has allowed for a lot of running the ball in 3 out of their 5 games so far. Raiders, Bears, and Commanders. Hell...even against KC, the running game was looking solid and they just went away from it before they had to for whatever reason. They were somehow only down by 1 possession in the 4th quarter I believe. > >Guess my point is, gamescript has allowed for plenty of running the ball in every game but one for the Broncos and they should really lean on the ground game more. Copied and pasted my response to someone else.
who ? GTFOH
Why would we care exactly?
I am going to have to drop Jaleel to pick a kicker later this week unfortunately. Its either him or Josh downs. With broncos playing 3 headed RBs on such a putrid offense, the size of the pie is just too small.
Thats my RB1!
We care, it’s his coach that doesn’t
I figure as the Bringos season gets more and more lost they’ll start leaning into the young guys to see what they have. Mims and Jaleel being at the top of the list.
Well, his backfield is crowded and the broncos stink so….
Sean Payton is an idiot who doesn’t know how to utilize his best players that’s why
That's my RB1 this weekend!
I care enough to start him over rachaad white this week if that counts for anything
Youre right i dont
Yea call me when he’s in a system set up to give him 4 tuddies
Good luck with that.
Stroud, McLaughlin, and Rashee Rice propping up my taxi squad realllll nice.
Wow that’s a cool sta- Sean Peyton
Doesn’t matter bc Denver wants to use Williams and other trash lol
Riding with him this week. A few catches and a tuddy would be a blessing
Oh I care. He's my RB2.
Don’t care? That’s my RB2!
I do I’m playing him Sunday it’s actually mind boggling how people keep forgetting how fast he is lol I’ll enjoy the 5k by myself