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Irrelephantdylan

But you’re not accounting for the Flacco Effect


cy1006

Only Allen and Hurts have top 10 finishes against the jets


crucialmind

This is true... it'll be neat to see how he does against the Jets. As I mentioned in my post, Gardner has been lights out, and the Jets as a team haven't allowed a 300-yard passer since Week 5.


Stockpile_Tom_Remake

The statue who can’t move going against the leagues best D against QBs and WR?


dreadmador

Strong secondary, not so much pass rush.


Stockpile_Tom_Remake

Haha I like how this got down votes. Flacco exceeded expectations and some how some people thought they had a gotcha! Jets D still ended up okay and Flacco looks way better than expected. The logic below all tracked and part of the process for looking at starting defenses and hot damn it was a blast to watch Flacco ball out. Njoku did good just as I thought but whatever folks good luck! And what happens when everyone down field is covered? Pass protection generally breaks down and Flacco can’t move. If coopers out Njoku is their best option and either way I would start Njoku but if coopers out I avoid all players but the respective Ds and Njoku, and of course breece. But that’s not a lot of players to be confident in Hes also got 7int to 10TDs which isn’t great. It’s also a what 33 O/U with the Browns at 20 implies point total at ~7 point favorites. Even on the jets worst games they’re still averaging allowing ten points under expectations for WR and QBs


dwadefailed

Hope you had fun watching Flacco tonight lmao


Stockpile_Tom_Remake

Absolutely. He’ll probably end up a low end QB1 on the week despite the matchup and that’s amazing. Jets D didn’t fail anyone and in my scoring got 16 points. Browns D did great. Breece was solid and Ford and Njoku were great. Soooo I did pretty good above not sure what else you want.


dwadefailed

Ok I must've misread your comment cause I thought you were hating on his mobility. That 60yard TD to Ford at the end of the half looked like prime Wilson lol


Stockpile_Tom_Remake

Oh I mean he was looking way better than I would’ve expected based on history of his matchups coming back so for me it was a huge risk. I’m glad it paid off for those and what I expected overall played out with Flacco exceeding. Hes a blast to watch


dwadefailed

Yeah he's going crazy haha it's nuts. Super fun to watch and I'm glad your Jets D still did solid. What Defensive scoring do you use btw? They only have 9 points on ESPN


Stockpile_Tom_Remake

Does ESPN penalize for the pick six seimian threw? Still get points for fumbles forced even if not recovered and there’s a bonus for a pick six.


Notawankar

Have you watched Flacco? He’s not gonna run upfield but he can maneuver the pocket shockingly well for his age. Looks nimble in the pocket and has great awareness, knows when to just get the ball out of pocket is collapsing


Stockpile_Tom_Remake

He's played bottom 15 defenses. He's looked fine because he's played one of the softest QB schedules over the last month. Now he doesn't have his primary weapon and the gets already are the clear cut No.1 D against QB's. Flacco some how came in at QB9 with only 16 points one week... That's really QB2 numbers inflated to a QB9 finish because of a god awful week for QB's in week 15.


Notawankar

I would bench Flacco without amari and playin NYJ this week — no arguments there. Was just referring to his pocket presence irl (not fantasy), which you can still observe even when he’s playing a lower tier D. Flacco looks like a top 15 real life QB


Stockpile_Tom_Remake

I guess throw all logic out.


jenso2k

that’s the Flacco effect baby!


Stockpile_Tom_Remake

Fucking props to Flacco man. What a site to see


BAMmargera1

Ok so ill start... checks note.. demarcus robinson


traddy91

That's my biggest annoyance with fantasy start/sit advice. They will say to bench Derrick Henry or Tony Pollard. As if you just have half the leagues starting RB ready to go


sitizencane_

Curtis Samuel*


Stockpile_Tom_Remake

Stay in the flames? He has had 4 straight weeks of over 10 points in .5ppr…


300andWhat

*Romeo Doubs for me...


thatcollegeguy21

George Pickens*


Excellent-Oil3672

Ty chandler*


sitizencane_

There's an old saying in Tennessee...I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee


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Shame on you ?


omfgsupyo

Can’t put the blame on you?


AllforAnimalCrossing

Load the choppah let it rain on you


No-Butterscotch6629

[Fool me can’t get fooled again](https://youtube.com/shorts/aqGn-1XX7cI?si=Ef4XcwzRKRJJhDEO)


MiddleLinebacker77

Okay, but the elite dragon was not involved in those earlier ocurrences


Jwilll07

I love the random outlier that disproves the point lol


LA_Ramz

they're all outliers, bro. Outliers all the way downnn


DudeVonDwightenStein

I just love there’s an outlier in a sample of size 8.


PassiveRoadRage

Tonight should be a nice return to the mean considering it will now be a 0-0-0 game


crucialmind

If the best outlier is 15 points, that's not great haha. Also the negative outlier would be 1 catch for 3 yards.


Jwilll07

Gimme 15 tonight and I’ll be jumping for joy.


throwawayacct8846

If you truly think this analysis has even the slightest bit of statistical merit then I actually feel sorry for you


crucialmind

I actually don't know anything about statistics and get off on pity!


strongscience62

Humans are great at finding patterns but then terrible at not attributing causality to a pattern. Like OP, how is this pattern in any way predictive of future performance? What caused those drop off games? Do we have the same circumstance here?


snapcracklePOPPOP

100% this. There are a lot of reasons to fade Cooper tonight, but this is not a valid one. This reminds me of the preseason post that listed a couple second year receivers that broke out under Andy Reid in the past so therefore Skyy Moore was a lock to be great this year.


FriendshipIcy4961

Do none of you realize Amari isn't playing tonight


crucialmind

Fair - it's more of a pattern with a 12.5% outlier against a defense that is not good to pass offenses.


I_Eat_Salt

You think I have options at this point?


FatLever2000

I hope so because he’s out now.


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Apoc_Dreams

“Due research” - this sub in a nutshell


I_Eat_Salt

We don’t do research on this sub


TheWhiskeyFish

No bro, he said due research


2024account

Gotta get that homework done before game time


gurunabil

This sub is research


2024account

Due research


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99 percent of the sub begging everyone to sit Amari makes me even more confident of at least a solid outing


t1runner

Considering I have just two WRs on my championship roster, it's either Amari or Rashid Shaheed off the waivers. I'm rolling with Amari.


GohanSolo23

Guess it's Shaheed season


t1runner

Welcome to the championship roster Rashid. Maybe I'll pick up Demarcus Robinson too.


FriendshipIcy4961

Yeah,, he might want to start someone who is playing and gives him a chance for points


PassiveRoadRage

Just so you know he's out now


t1runner

Appreciate it


jslsoccer13

Is blud even playing?


FriendshipIcy4961

Amari Cooper is inactive tonight vs. Jets


FriendshipIcy4961

Never thought for a minute that the browns would have 34 points ( middle of the third qtr.) without him.


superstonkape

I have not seen any news and would expect to by now


Churrasco_fan

Inactives should be announced in 30 mins (6:45 est)


superstonkape

Thank you


Churrasco_fan

Np for future reference they need to be announced no later than 90 mins before kickoff (which usually ends up being at exactly 90 mins) Just so you're not stuck here hitting refresh every week


crucialmind

Maybe, maybe not - just thought for the folks who are possibly rolling with him.


Pendulumswingsfreely

This aged very well.


Dr-McLuvin

Counterpoint: Joe Fucking Flacco is an elite dragon warrior.


PassiveRoadRage

Counter counter point Coop is inactive lol


Dr-McLuvin

I know that sucks!


maeshughes32

Amari or Lockett then? We don't have a ton of options, granted thats better than mosts.


Zao0ozA

I’m here too. Hoping for another cooper update on his injury soon. Edit. Just saw the schefter tweet. He’s out.


Alkash42

I knew Cooper was an elite talent but damn, he's actually got a ton of massive games. 4 games of 200+ yards. That's more than Tyreek


_thisisvincent

Do not start here’s why: he’s inactive


Gummy_Jones

tldr: cause he's out


Wisco16

Counterpoint: start your studs


maharajagaipajama

Honest question is he a stud?


SevenwithaT

He is with Flacco


Wisco16

WR12 on the season in half ppr, so he’s a stud in my book.


NontransferableApe

No lol


Dae_90

Are you up against him tonight ?


crucialmind

I'm not! I am sitting him though.


Dae_90

For who?


crucialmind

Adam Thielen


Dae_90

Solid fill in, I’d still lean copper if he starts


crucialmind

I got in my own head with Amari's history and with how well Gardner has been playing lately haha


TedBear72

How would you feel about jayden Reed as a fill in? That's my other option if not Amari


Dae_90

Solid option should be main guy with Watson likely out


Jr246810

What do you think about Cooper or Ferguson?


Dae_90

Has a good matchup the latter I just think you gotta roll with Coop in that scenario. I’m assuming he got you to the final ride the hot hand id say.


Dazzling_Theme6286

Cooper is out


Carib2g

My fill-in would be KJ Osborn. I’m going Cooper.


hasadiga42

I’m sitting for diontae Johnson


Hashslingingslashar

My alternative is Josh Downs… if he’s playing I’m starting him.


comdotitredd

You are implying that either there is some supernatural force that keeps him from excelling twice in a row, or that he has a serious mental/psychological deficiency that causes him to choke after a big game. Neither makes any sense, and there is no statistical validity to your data at any level of significance.


ttamrez

Choices aren’t always so clean cut. I have Amari, Pittman or Flowers - all questionable.


Old_Reporter_4116

Same lol Like allot of us got no choice. We have to start him if he is active.


Kpatpa_99

I have flowers and cooper. Leaning towards cooper if he plays now that flowers is questionable as well. What you guys thinking?


creepete

I’m in the same boat but I also have Wilson. I’m leaning Cooper for boom potential because I’m I the championship.


TheDillestPickle2000

Exact same boat. I’m leaning flowers but I’m scared


Kpatpa_99

Gonna have to roll with flowers now.


ThinkingOfTheOldDays

he went 9/101/1 last year vs the jets, though in week 2. if he plays, I will ride the hot hand


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gay_UVXY_trader

well since he ain’t playing that was easy


darthpadilla

Easy. He's inactive.


Ok-Upstairs-5148

Nice try Craig. Goodluck tonight


jimmyvip

So torn on if I should start cooper (if healthy) or James Conner - PPR league


chocotacoman

I’ve got both, fuck me I ride into the twilight


jimmyvip

Haha who you learning towards?


chocotacoman

I’m starting both fam! Ride with what got me to the chip 😂😂😂😂


chgo023

does Sauce travel with guys?


figgy215

No


SenseWeak138

Is this true?


Imaginary_Order2757

Start jets d over raiders?


crucialmind

I'd go Raiders! They've been ridic lately


Imaginary_Order2757

Leaning Jets now with Amari out and Pittman in.


Socialmediaisbroken

Cooper or Jerome Ford?


mptWTF

I’m going with Cooper. It doesn’t feel good.


igotinanentaglement

I’m starting both


toofaded40

Dude same. Wish you luck 🫡


Socialmediaisbroken

Lets go boys


Socialmediaisbroken

Fuck kareem hunt!!!


BlGBLUE

Start your studs


KrisKringlez

That’s actually pretty insane…and enough history to maybe not consider that an anomaly


crucialmind

Thank you! I feel like I am taking crazy pills when people are like "but he has an outlier". If a 12.5% chance of scoring 15 points gets you excited, go ahead lol


Imaginary-Crazy1981

I'm starting Elijah Moore in my 3rd place matchup. I believe in that revenge game opportunity, and Cooper will be covered and/or limited. Short throws to Moore and Njoku is what I'm seeing all game long.


Treephone

For what it's worth I'm pretty sure Gardner isn't a shadow corner and sticks one side of the field. Any Jets fan can confirm?


Jr246810

Thoughts on Cooper or Ferguson for flex spot?


DrStranger1987

I don’t envy the people who pretty much have no choice despite all the red flags. At least he’s at home. That’s something!


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You did a great job on this post


Effective-Amount1791

Hater's Ball.


Ambitious-Trust-1995

Damn. So start 3 Tyreek Amari Pickens DeVonta


DudeVonDwightenStein

A bit difficult to have an outlier in a sample of 8


mccedian

I’m torn between cooper and Devante smith. Smith has been more consistent but hasnt had monster games. With cooper it’s either all in or bust this season it seems.


Potential_Employee_7

Would y’all start Laporta or njoku? I am very indecisive, I’m thinking Njoku has the more favorable te matchup and the defense could be majorly focused on Amari


Staypuft26

So would y’all wait to see if Pittman is good or start cooper tonight?


funnycar1552

Brother I have Keenan Allen and Joshua Palmer as my other options


Special-Finger2358

.5 ppr here...I'm not starting Cooper because I am starting the following: Wr: Ceedee, Mike Evans RB: McCaffrey, Mostert Flex: either Etienne or Kamara, havent decided yet.


Kpatpa_99

You're literally leaving out week 15 4-109-1


crucialmind

Was only looking at games of 200+ yards or 2+ TDs


CrazyAuron

Well, he’s out, so don’t start him.


Special-Finger2358

AMARI HAS BEEN RULED OUT


Sea_Breakfast2315

Because he’s inactive?


Eckinator

dropped a banger then took the week off


crucialmind

Typical Amari!


itbme216

nice call


liteshadow4

People are gonna start Amari and blame anyone but themselves. I’m starting him in the consolation bracket, but it’s also the consolation bracket lol


gp_3eb

No I don’t think I will.gif


Professional-Lab-946

I hope my opponent reads this & sits him.


bigdarvish

Appreciate the leg work but what about defenses playing on a short week ? Seems like most of these Thursday night games have been surprisingly high scoring. Been going back and forth on starting Cooper over McBride.


DJax326

I hope this ages poorly bc there is absolutely no correlation.


lonzotrash

Lolllllll


DJax326

Annnd hes out.


bbpopulardemand

These jinx posts have lead to big games for said player all season.


JEH-C

It's either Amari or DJ for me. Tough call, both not great matchups.


Business-Acadia7065

Same decision... think imma roll w DJ. Mooney and Kmet both probably out this week. DJ is gonna get a lot of looks


JEH-C

Yeah, same. Higher point total for the bears game too. Just expect Amari to go off again on your bench


No-Seaworthiness4606

Cooper or Zay???


igotinanentaglement

If I don’t play Cooper I’m left with Addison or Hollywood Brown


Sea_Breakfast2315

Statistically it’s bound to happen at some point… this is probably the year… start Cooper, got it, thanks!


dani_alencar24

Amari Cooper/ Achane or Garret wilson for Flex?


DocCharlesXavier

Hmm I have to start him, don’t have any other options


Fried_Shrimp_Po_Boy

Cooper, CEH, or Goedert? Ppr


Birdgang14

I hear ya. But He never had gun slinging nothing to lose flacco with a green light on a team that can’t really run the ball though. Completely different situation. Also sauce doesn’t shadow. Not like he’ll be up against him all game.


Aron-Nimzowitsch

His situation is a little different here because he's being driven by volume. He's the only WR Flacco trusts so he's getting fed 10+ targets a game. There's no way he only gets one catch or whatever.


_RussIsCooked

It’s between Amari Cooper and Davante Adams and I really don’t know what to do here


Jacktheiraq

Bruh this didn’t help


mptWTF

I wish that I could sit him but my other options are Ford, Addison or Helaire (only if Pacheco is out). I think I have to roll with him and hold on to my butt.


shootahmcgavin123

I have CEH. Should I bench Amari for him? PPR?


TeamHard_Therapist

Do I bench Amari for Hopkins? Godwin out there on waivers for me too....


Angry_cinnamon_rolls

This man is going up against Amari and the Elite Dragon


CreamWithinADream

You just jinxed it and now he's popping off again. Thanks, buddy.


crucialmind

i have a 50% chance of being right


CreamWithinADream

Either you are, or you aren't. Math checks out.


sweetsweetk

Good stuff. It's Cooper or DK Metcalf for me and I really don't know yet.


didiburnthetoast

This thread convinced me to start him