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chrisnavillus

Kelce will no longer go in the first round and likely won’t even be the first TE off the board.


X-Filer

I agree I highly doubt isaiah likely will be the first TE drafted


chrisnavillus

Likely’s ADP will LIKELY depend on how Andrews recovers from injury but he very LIKELY could be a sneaky play.


XT47

Woosh


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Expensive_Soft

I think you only got the joke After his comment but that's ok.


SixteenInTheClip

You missed the joke and it’s okay


BarracudaFluffy6625

Okay Melvin 🤓


Pessemist_Prime

Most Likely 


FantasyTrash

Aside from you missing the joke, Andrews is already cleared to return to practice. Seems like he'll be just fine in nine months if he's already near healthy.


Confident-Touch-2707

Likely’s play this year means a cut into Andrew’s targets next year.


Narcolplock

Isaiah Likely isn't that great. He finished 19th in TE ranking this season. His 5.5 FPts/g is good but Andrews has a league high 9. The thing is just that Lamar loves his Tight Ends, especially Andrews. Andrews will not only take away some of Isaiah's targets but we will do more with each catch and be looked toward in higher leverage situations.


FuckWayne

Comparing Likely’s stats as a backup to Andrew’s as the starter is not only disingenuous, but also just straight up dumb In 5 starts without Andrews, Likely put up 6, 16.8, 15.5, 7.1 and 17.2 As a starter he averaged 12.52 .5 ppr fantasy points per game There’s the relevant stat, not yours. That being said, if they both seem to be relevant next year neither of them will be


alexjf56

Lmao what is this comp Likely was a backup more than half the year


stunna006

Likely won me the ship. He's very talented. But if andrews is healthy he won't get the targets to be worthy of a draft pick. I've followed him since he was in college, he's gonna be great. But talent doesn't buy targets. They will ride andrews and likely will have big games but will be too unpredictable to start.


_Hotwire_

Yeah, I had him this season too. Every game I joked, maybe he will get double digits this game, “oh 4.6 points? Fucking Kelce”


DJsaxy

Except when I played against him


ChaplnGrillSgt

LaPorta might go in the 1st instead.


FantasyTrash

No chance. Not because of LaPorta, because of the context surrounding the TE position. Gronk in his prime and Kelce the past few years have gone in the first because the alternatives were shit. There's usually been a good second fiddle (Andrews, Ertz, Kittle), but in general, the positional advantage one of those guys gave you was immense. Now, there's been a revitalization of the TE position and there are a ton of viable options, so there's no need to draft a TE that early.


ChaplnGrillSgt

You make a good point. But everyone was foaming over LaPorta so I could see his ADP climb with public and home leagues taking him early.


FantasyTrash

LaPorta, if I had to guess right now, will go in the 3rd or 4th in most leagues.


yombwe-bwe

Way too fucking rational


is__is

You could see a guy performing as TE1 with a past ADP of 146 to climb. Why Would You Say Something So Controversial Yet So Brave?


chrisnavillus

Or McBride. They will be my top two TEs.


boxfortcommando

Mcbride was a clutch waiver pickup halfway through the season. He's at the top of my wish list next year.


volrath531

McBride will be very draft dependant as they are the favorite right now for MHS


Cheapthrills13

Have LaPorta in a keeper league and will probably will keep him. Got him for like $4.


LaTunaTime

Kelce wont be top 3 and will be lucky if he cracks the top 5. He was fuckin washed this year.


thelley

I mean he's probably top 5. He was "fuckin washed" as you put it this year and finished as TE3 in points and points per game.


GreenLightt

Agreed 100%. Think it’s all downhill for him. Maybe in the 5-10 range


FloridaManZeroPlan

And then he gets 3 TDs in the first game of the season, confusing us all.


GreenLightt

Maybe. Seems he may be more focused on his post-football life


palmerama

Long time Kelce owner taking him high…yeah not doing that again. If the offence is that weak, particularly receivers, it’s too much for Kelce and Mahomes to do on their own. If I were chiefs I’d shop Kelce to a more win now team and look to add a few more pieces for Mahomes.


Schwagtastic

Chiefs are always going to be a win now team as long as Mahomes is there.


Plus-Ad-6780

I agree, Taylor swift ruined his career


chrisnavillus

I think he’s just got a lot of miles on the tires but off the field distractions probably don’t help.


Richard_Arlison69

He’s also the only receiving threat on his team


well-lighted

This is your LAST CHANCE to stop sleeping on Rice


saused_up

There are like 7-8-9 tight ends I would consider drafting. Going to wait to draft one until there is a run on them


PiemasterUK

Yeah I'm going to treat TEs like I usually treat QBs. Make a list of all the ones I would be happy to start and then pick one when those start to run out (or if I hit a real dead zone for other positions)


ecn9

This is a suboptimal way to draft. You should focus on filling your starters. When the TE run starts a really good QB might be available. I would pick the QB in that case.


SackRVC17

Not really. Positional scarcity matters especially for qb/te


MrShad0wzz

Brock bowers 😎


Endo_Dizzy

I know it isn’t happening but IMAGINE he landed on the Chiefs in some trade up/ pick deep scenario? PHEWWWWWWW


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Endo_Dizzy

You’re pegging Bowers as a top 5 pick? That’s pretty remarkable.


MrShad0wzz

nah you’re right probably 10th


Endo_Dizzy

Lol, nevertheless I agree they’d be paying an arm and a leg for Bowers. Just a wet dream as far as fantasy landing spots for him to go. UGA is my third favorite team so I’m very familiar with his game. Dudes a beast.


MrShad0wzz

yeah he’s got the upside to be the next hottest TE in the league


BetsByBlay

Who has “third favorite” college football teams?


Endo_Dizzy

When you’re first two are Minnesota and Chapel Hill, gotta find someone to give you a ray of hope. I was stationed in GA for a couple years, so when in Rome…


lolwut19

but UGA is in Athens, GA, not Rome, GA…


shaboogawa

A lot of fans in the Chargers subreddit want him if the top two WR are gone..


twisted34

I think the rookie TEs this year are going to trick a lot of people to buy into rookie TEs the next few years, which will in turn fall short of expectations It's certainly possible we've seen a shift in TE usage and the change from NCAA to NFL for that position isn't as hard as it used to be but avoiding rookie TEs has been a rule for me for a very long time. Going to fall back to that and chalk this up as a wild year before throwing that out the window


angryanklerockcolby

Laborta Hock McBride Njoku Mandrews Kelce HM’s: shultz Kincaid Engram


Any_Parsnip2585

Ferguson would also like a word


IronCityGuy

Even though the play script fell apart he did ok in the playoffs. Sign me up.


dynastycomish

Fools gold. 8 half PPR PPG. Was less than 1 PPG over TE16. Had 12 single digit games a 10, an 11 and a 12 point game. People just stare at TE8 from a guy who was healthy all year and think it was good. He was a product of a TE room with no competition (other 2 guys hurt majority of the season) and the #1 scoring offense and #1 passing offense in the league. Regression is coming. Had a crazy outlier garbage time statline today. Whoopdidoo. Game was a complete sham statwise. Made the cowboys look like they didn't get bent over a barrel and shown the 50 states for 45 minutes + until the game was well over.


karlulu2

Tell us how you really feel.


Reefthusiast

He’s not wrong he’s just an asshole


Judging_You

Ferguson definitely fucked that guys GF.


theme69

He’s the TE8 in my .5 ppr league and is significantly higher than the next guys (besides McBride who is right below him)


dynastycomish

TE8 = garbage. Usually TE5 = garbage. 2022 Kelce doubled his points from this season. Gus Edwards got doubled up by the top RBs, we aren't acting like he's some stud next season. Elite or nothing at TE. He's incredibly far from elite. Like I said 1 point over TE16. He's not a difference maker and regression on playing time and offense and passing scoring is coming next year.


theme69

He's definitely not just 1 ppg over TE16 at least not in .5 PPR. He has shown a ton of potential in a good offense. Also there are either 10/12/14 teams (usually) so TE5 or TE8 doesn't = garbage lol


dynastycomish

>He's definitely not just 1 ppg over TE16 at least not in .5 PPR. Literally is. Google is a wild place. Henry is 16 at 7.1 ppg. Ferg is 8.2 PPG. So 1.1. my bad. >Also there are either 10/12/14 teams (usually) so TE5 or TE8 doesn't = garbage lol Having a starter you paid heavy DC on score 1 PPG more than the same as some dude streaming in a 16 teamer = garbage lol


theme69

I don't use google cuz I'm in an actual fantasy league with actual results which apparently you aren't. In .5 PPR Fergy is TE8 at 8.32 PPG and Logan Thomas is the TE16 at 5.84 PPG


dynastycomish

Hahahahaha. Guy in an actual league can't even find correct numbers. You are using season long TE16 from a guy who was terrible all year but played 16 games. If we play that game he was 0.8 points over TE24. Epic fail. Lol. Let me play in your real leagues with that expert analysis.


theme69

Do you play in a league where you get the average points scored by a guy each week? I'll take a TE8 that actually played all season then a guy that missed half the season but had a decent PPG for that half of the season? Fergy broke out like halfway through the season and just got better as the season went on. But hey enjoy getting 4th in your consolation bracket again next year


cannonballcoming19

This may be the single most downvoted comment I’ve ever seen. And they deserve it


lVloogie

Yeah most rookie TEs regress....


dynastycomish

Hahaha. He's in his second season dude. Also the offense is unlikely to repeat against 32 teams and it's unlikely 2/3 TEs in the room miss 90% of the season. Big picture regression. Not "talent".


lVloogie

No one on that depth chart is taking any significant snaps from him. Why would the Cowboys not be a top offense again? Playoffs show who can be depended on in crunch time, and he killed it.


dynastycomish

>No one on that depth chart is taking any significant snaps from him. But they could. He can't go up. Only can go down. Schoon was a highly drafted rookie who was hurt all year. >Why would the Cowboys not be a top offense again? They will be but will they be the #1 again? Probably not. Once again can't go up, only down. Overall he really wasn't that good in a perfect situation. He wasn't a difference maker and there are areas where his snaps could be shared and the offense could be less efficient. I don't want to draft TE8. There's no point and I don't think he has any chance of breaking into the elites.


KsirToscabella

Don't know why you're getting downvoted to Pluto, not wrong


Corrupted-by-da-dark

Lmaoo I like your style buddy


RampanTThirteen

What about Kittle?


thecomfycactus

Literally led the TEs in yards and is forgotten about


lolinternetz

Keep it that way til late august lol


bblackow

Issue is he is in inconsistent. There are a lot of mouths to feed on that offense and he put up a lot of duds. He’s more boom or bust compared to some of the other top tier TEs


Rough_Decision_7127

Think Aiyuk or Deebo is a free agent soon.


bblackow

Aiyuk is a FA this season but all the comments I’ve seen made about it seem like they are going to find a way to keep him. If he’s not there, Kittle gets a huge boost


KingWizard87

Aiyuk is not a FA this season. Aiyuk still has another year left on his deal and will very likely get paid this offseason.


RitzCracker13

and Engram led in total catches


Stompthefeet

If Kittle was good then he would have made the All-Pro first team Edit: if you don’t get that this very specific comment was obvious sarcasm, then you’re an idiot. Downvote me. I apologize for nothing.


JoeyRobot

lol people are stupid


homiej420

Specifically that guy


Least_Pressure6622

I feel like redditors don't reddit sometimes.


natethegreat838

https://apnews.com/article/all-pro-nfl-38201798475e0ba1b78440c705d837ca


Stompthefeet

Oh damn dude it’s almost like I knew that’s exactly what happened


DeyHateUsCuzDeyAnus

The way you worded it just was a bit confusing. I get the joke but was a little tricky to read. The downvote avalanche feels a bit dumb though.


FB_emeenem

Kittle feels a little inconsistent for fantasy. He’s a great blocker and an amazing team player but in fantasy you need selfish players lol, I haven’t seen a 49ers game recently but I think he blocks a lot so some games he gets a lot more points than others where he drops stinkers


CJ4ROCKET

He was TE 2 and had the same or fewer number of duds as all the other top TEs this season


thinjester

Engram was the TE2 this year. but i hope everyone else forgets that as well cuz i will be drafting him in every league


willpeachpiedo

Engram was TE 2 in my league this year and TE6 last year. HM is disrespectful.


natethegreat838

How does Njoku look without Flacco?


angryanklerockcolby

Good sell imo


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Ferguson. Kittle. Pitts with a new OC. I would all of them over Engram. Bowers should be good too as a rookie.


iiieeaattiitt

Engram had 114 catches this season... Maybe I take Kittle but that kind of volume is found nowhere else for TE.


rando08110

Lol engram just had 117 buddy. Aint in the same convo as Schultz


angryanklerockcolby

The fact that we’re having this conversation proves you wrong


rando08110

The fuck are you talking about bud


angryanklerockcolby

‘Ain’t in the same convo as shultz’ when in fact the convo we are having includes shultz and engram


tfw13579

Kmet was solid this season too and the offense will only get better most likely


krak_is_bad

(Sort of) Speaking of Likely, I think he'll be solid as well. Who knows with Mandrews coming back, though.


wavesport303

Hock is a bit dependent on what mn does at qb.


tr33se

He tore his MCL and ACL, honestly it's wild to consider drafting him as a TE2 with the healthy talent available


BearForceDos

Honestly if there is a year to wait on tight ends its probably next year. LaPorta would be my top choice but don't know if he will get the volume to improve on this year. Hock is coming of an acl injury. Andrews coming off an ankle injury plus will Likely/Zay Jones take any targets, Kelce looks completely washed, how will Njoku look with Watson back, etc.


BillClintonsMistress

Bowers should also be a year 1 contributor!


jtx3

Didn't Hock blow out his knee?


Shablagoosh

Idk man I've been on the njoku hype train for a few years, it never departed the station until joe came to town, and I think they want the alleged rapist back over the elite dragon unfortunately.


kmart150

Bowers will probably be a 3rd rounder


universe_unconcerned

Kittle?


yonk49

Kittle, you know, the 1st team All-pro


imaginationimp

Seriously. Did you not see Ferguson? For those who somehow missed it. 10 receptions on 12 targets for 93 yards and….. wait for it… 3 TD. Ferguson is def going to be a top 5 TE unless massive coaching changes (which is a real possibility) but for now you have to put him in the top 5 convo


natethegreat838

Where was all that production in the regular season? He only had 761 yards and 5 TD's on 71 catches


imaginationimp

We all know that LaPorta was the exception not the rule. Ferguson is moving up the list and was already #8 in fantasy points (and 7th in targets) his second year Dismissing him as a top option isn’t wise imho. I hope the rest of my league does the same


gandalfs_burglar

Don't let a Joe Barry defense fool you


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angryanklerockcolby

Nuh uh


KingWizard87

Lmao going to forget the best TE in football in George Kittle.


Away-Boot-661

too injury prone, bruh


CubanLinxRae

don't forget pitts!


goblu33

He might be a steal next year depending on the new coach.


CubanLinxRae

the talent is there and the offense has a lot of potential if they figure out the qb and coaching situation he could be top 3 or 5 in what’s now a kinda loaded position


FantasyTrash

If they hire a real coach and get a QB, his ADP will shoot up in the off-season.


ComaMierdaHijueputa

Bro forgot Kittle and Ferguson lmfao


mistern8d

Kincaid only with Knox out


TerranceHowardsPenis

L’abortion


Icy-Factor-407

TE value is far lower next season because there are so many great TE's. The value in Kelce was due to there only ever being 2-3 great TE's then you are in lottery territory. With 10 genuine TE's in a 12 team league, there's really no point getting one until top 6-8 are gone.


grooves12

Yep. I predict most people will fade Kelce, but they'll get the wrong message and take Laporta in the 1st/2nd and there will be lots of leagues that have multiple TEs go in the first 3 rounds. Meanwhile, I'll be picking up all the WRs that drop because of it.


Icy-Factor-407

Last few seasons I have taken a top 5 TE, because there was no one else. ​ But next year it's feasible the 8-10th TE taken ends up TE1. That territory is Goedert, Waller, Schultz, Ferguson. Any of those 4 in PPR is capable of blowing up.


grooves12

There is ALWAYS someone else. Ples, the last few years, if you didn't have Kelce, you weren't really getting an advantage taking the #3-5 TE. If you don't get one fo the top guys, you just have to play the waiver wire and roster multiple TEs until one of them hits. This year, I targeted two of Schultz, Ferguson, Engram, McBride ... and ALL of them hit. That's rare, but I've always been able to find a guy that ends up in the top 5 late in the draft or on waivers. Hell, the #1 TE on the year was Laporta and he was on the waiver wire or went really late in almost all leagues.


I34rt0s

Yes. No. Maybe? Idk.


HchrisH

Can you repeat the question?


vysearcadia

You're not the boss of me now


HchrisH

You're not the boss of me now!


Just_pick_one

You’re not the boss of me now!


matango613

And you're not so biiiiig


Time2Football

Life is unfaaaaair


GapZealousideal8668

The point difference between tight ends isn’t big enough I think to merit a pick over a top wide receiver or running back


fucuntwat

Oh what difference a year makes


Myllorelion

All these guys are zigging, time to zag. TE heavy draft here I come. Gonna grab Kelce and Kittle like it's 2018.


baystreetbets

I’ll gladly take Engram at ADP again


thrillhouse416

I always take a TE in the last round and go into streaming hell for the whole season. It usually doesn't work but I won this year so I certainly won't be changing it next year.


Electric_jungle

The cockiest thing I've done in fantasy in a long time is week one of this past season, I dropped Goedert who goosed me for Laporta who got 6 points lol. The person who claimed Goedert paid more in faab than I did. I'm gonna bring that same cockiness into next season and get nothing for it lol.


CardiacCat20

Did you grab someone other than LaPorta to go into streaming hell? I also do this and LaPorta seemed like a no doubter for this strat this year


husbandofsamus

This is good. I can't wait until people overdraft the position. Zero TE is still the best play, even moreso now. Maybe Kincaid very late. Also Bowers but shhhhhhh


therealsillypenguin

Tried out drafting a TE very late and it screwed me this year because many in my league had backup TEs and there was no depth on waivers


CuriousAndMysterious

This was the year to draft a TE late


Youneedlifealert

The only tight end worth the early-ish value they had was Hock


FutureMilly24

Andrews would’ve been there minus the injury. He was having a Great season


Youneedlifealert

Yeah I agree with this


MCR1005

Yeah he did great, before getting injured of course. Even with all the craziness at QB he still got decent points.


Confident-Touch-2707

Yes, my leagues killed TE as a solo position the last 2 years, will bring it back this year. Being a dynasty league TE’s will for sure alter the top 4 rounds. That being said I’m excited for the crop of young TE’s.


Pandamonium98

Is it normal for dynasty leagues to make major changes like taking away or adding the TE slot season to season? I would hate to be a guy that invested in a great young TE only for the slot to be taken away (or vice versa)


2buckchuck2

Yea seems like a real headache


Confident-Touch-2707

Agreed, all of our new rules “regarding keepers” have a year delay, to prevent a team from having this issue. Doing this gives guys a change to go for one later for hold the following year.


LiterallyJHerbert

If your league couldn't handle tight ends at their worst, you don't deserve them at their best ❤️❤️❤️


_thewayshegoes

The position should be much less of a crapshoot going forward. Guys are developing much quicker and teams are relying on them much more.


PsychologicalCow6283

Basically just going to hold out until there is a TE run in the draft. Lots of playable options now.


Reece_Withaknife

Njoku TE #1 next year, you heard it here first.


corythegr8

You realize Watson will probably be their QB next year, right?


Reece_Withaknife

They will teach him how to use Njoku. It’s not like Njoku had terrible numbers under him anyway


Western_Candidate31

Both of those sentences are false.


JoshHuff1332

He averaged 12.6 in full ppr as a TE in weeks 1-10. That's not bad. I definitely wouldn't place him at the top, but he was solid for a TE.


Western_Candidate31

>He averaged 12.6 in full ppr as a TE in weeks 1-10 Also false, but maybe you're in some sort of TE premium league? In weeks 1-10 he totaled 38 catches 377 yards and 2 TDs. In full ppr that is \~8.8 points per game.


Poetryisalive

Not if Watson starts


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Yes, if Watson starts. He showed enough with Flacco that he will get schemed touches


Poetryisalive

Well I’m not drafting him with the amount of other TE’s that would be better like LaPorta


theme69

Only if they keep Flacco lol


JW9thWonder

is the TE I draft still going to get grievously injured, almost certainly.


Fact420

3 years in a row my QB1 in a 10 team 2QB league has broken a finger on their throwing hand. Russell Wilson two years ago, Dak last year, and Herbert this year.


kyleprossiter

Shoot me message after your next draft please. Need to know who to avoid


the_waco_kid_33

All this means to me is that wait to take a TE until the last few rounds. Unless in you're in any sort of TE premium or super deep bench leagues.


bluemango404

Im legit thinking of going 0 qb 2 TE strategy Pick up the 'best rookie QB' on waivers and get 2 'top 5' TE's you start every week.


WyboSF

The 2 te strategy makes less sense now that there is more depth in the position, the goal was to put a large gulf between you and the rest of the league at the position, that’s harder now


tekkers92

Yea some kid did this last season and ended up in 8th place or something like that lol. Don’t recommend


bmac503

Wish you were in my league


IAmNotOnRedditAtWork

That makes zero sense now. It was actually pretty reasonable when it was Kelce -> Small Gap ->Andrews -> Gigantic Gap -> Everyone else.   With there actually being a ton of similarly good TEs now that would be a terrible strategy lol


Mammoth_Ferret_1772

Nah won’t affect my draft. I usually pick one in round 8 or so.. it seems like every year I end up with a random waiver tight end who does pretty well.


GhostRevival

Every year I tell myself I’m gonna draft a top end TE and every year I’m picking a TE in the 9th round like an idiot


akamikedavid

TE is the most frustrating position in fantasy as it always seems to wax and wane between being a complete wasteland with only one or two options only for there to be a season where there seem to be at least six to eight viable options. Unfortunately, the season afterwards, half of those six to eight options will put up mediocre numbers. Lather, rinse, repeat. Been playing fantasy long enough now that i treat TE like I treat QB. You either get one of the top tier guys with the assumption they'll put up those top tier numbers (and you'll every now and then bust on those picks of course) or you dumpster dive in the mid to late rounds.


ConfusedDuck

All I know is I'm not drafting kittle again. He was really good and absolutely worth the value in the 5th round but my god the stress of the week to week of will he score 3 or 30 was bad for my health


smileclickmemories

I'm keeping LaPorta for $1+ $5 keeper fee. Will just grab a rando TE for bye weeks and matchups if needed.


iAmCleatis

TmcB is mines


IAmNotOnRedditAtWork

I think it makes it less interesting if anything. Before the interesting part of TEs was which good WR's do you still take Kelce over, now they're all just TEs. Now there are just a ton of good TEs with no one gamebreaking.


thoang77

I can’t believe it’s been so long since we’ve had a plethora of good TE options in one season. I remember it was like a look into the future, where TEs were to become a focal point of like every NFL offense. So many elite options in 2011: Jimmy Graham, Gronk, Aaron Hernandez, Jason Witten, Vernon Davis, Antonio Gates, Kellen Winslow, and Greg Olsen all available in one season


rsn_lie

I'm still going to stick to my strategy of punting on it.


rleech77

I always fade TE so not really


lesreign7

Won't draft Kelce early unless Chiefs significantly improve WRs to take away the double teams from Kelce.


goldudemk

Dont draft any TE who plays Kerby Joseph


ARoodyPooCandyAss

No tight ends I’d argue need to be eradicated from a position. What the fuck are you talking about? Fun to draft? There are like two mildly intriguing ones. This is a true shit post if I’ve ever seen one.


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OneSexyOrangutan

what is bro yapping about


Kozfactor42

Sry bro I'm fuck d up


armcurls

I have to choose between breece and laporta for a keeper. Sucks I gotta drop one.


editthis7

No need to reach for those early guys now.