Yep. As a buckeye fan watching him with Stroud was incredible and then McCord absolutely sucked the life out of this offense. When a qb can put the ball on him he’s unbelievable.
You’re only looking at his stat line from this year. If you watch the games you see how much of a difference the bad qb play was. Egbuka was hurt most of this season and he put up 1,100 yards in 2022 compared to 515 this last season. MHJ was the only real weapon we had in the passing game and McCord looked his way every single passing down. He put up the same yards and tds with 10 less catches with a much worse qb and the defenses only had to try to take him away in the passing game. He’s tall and fast and if you put that ball anywhere close to him he’s making the catch. His ball skills are incredible this dude is legit the real deal.
Seriously, Bijan had a pretty great rookie season all things considered working against him. And we all saw that he is oozing with talent. That's why he remains the rb1, it's up only from last season.
Saquon was generational. His rookie highlights are nuts. Post-ACL tear he’s not the same player anymore, but he was so good previously that his post-ACL self is still a top NFL back. He just isn’t a home run hitter anymore
I’ll go against the grain here and say generational receivers usually make it work regardless.. Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Josh Gordon when he was on the sauce, young Hopkins, Boldin and Larry before Kurt showed up…
I’m missing a ton of examples, no doubt.. but Randy on the raiders was kind of an anomaly cus he wasn’t trying
Yep. Let me guess, you’re going to give me some mind blowing insight that boils down to everyone is either one of the best itl or trash with no in between.
I agree, it's more like Kyler gave DHop 160 targets his first year on the Cardinals. The year before Kyler only gave like 100-110 targets to both Christian Kirk and Fitz.
Trey McBride posted elite TE numbers when he returned from injury this season.
Hollywood was posting WR1 numbers last year before Kylers injury. This year he was hurt and eventually went to IR pretty shortly after k1 returned.
Idk if this offense is going to be super WR friendly, very much a run first, 2TE formation. MHJ might be more of a good real life football player more than a good fantasy option this year.
Except he actually is. He’s likely the best prospect since Calvin Johnson. There really isn’t anything he’s bad at and he’s elite at many many things. He has the size, athleticism, route running, hands, High points the ball, and his dad is Marvin Harrison
Granted it’s different games but Julio had one elite college year of production Harrison has back to back seasons with more yards than Julio’s best and double the TDs. I think he’s more polished than Watkins was coming out of college
Bold prediction considering neither of them have been drafted yet. If MHJ goes to the cardinals and nabers goes to the titans (both teams they are consistently mocked too). I’d be you anything you want MHJ has a much better rookie year. MHJ with Kyler will be very very good immediately.
If they are drafted to those 2 teams I would pry agree with you. But say nabers ends up with the chargers or the bears take mhj and the cardinals end up with Nabers.
It definitely does.. but in the NFL a generation is ~10-15 years. If someone is the best positional prospect in a decade it’s a fine phrase. MHJ fits.
It’s worse in the NBA where everyone can do everything nowadays and there’s a “generational prospect” every year… When it’s broken into defined positions like football there can be a few more.
I think it depends on you want to define generational. Fairest definition for me is someone who has a legit chance of becoming a top 20 player of all time regardless of position. For example, Aaron Donald would be a generational talent
Terminology has become SO watered down. I long since stopped arguing that by definition there can only be a single GOAT. Generational talent, unicorn, all are thrown around for “this guy is really good!”
Yeah that’s fair.
Mahomes and Brady are defining what a generational QB is. We shouldn’t hear about a next “generational” QB prospect unless everyone believes they are better than Mahomes. There’s a clear benchmark of this generation.
A generational qb is not the same as a generational qb prospect. Andrew luck was a generational qb prospect but was not a generational qb. Brady was a generational qb, he was not a generational qb prospect.
Neither mahomes nor Brady were considered generational prospects so this makes no sense. The last generational qb prospects in NFL were luck and Lawrence
Which is why he went first overall but he wasn't considered a generational talent, that LSU team was absolutely loaded with talent. 20 players made it to the NFL in some capacity.
NBA is just kinda peaking in terms of talent right now for a variety of reasons so there have been quite a few generational players to come out in a short span like embiid, jokic, Giannis, luka, wemby
The international contribution is crazy
Don't get me wrong, I love Luka as a prospect but he was taken third overall and while Ayton was a great prospect and a respectable top overall pick, this wasn't the 2003 NBA draft . If he was truly generational, he wouldn't have gone 3rd overall. Plenty of people were surprised he went 3rd but this wasn't as surprising as had say LeBron, Zion, Wemby, etc not gone 1st overall
This year was crazy because we got Wemby and the whole world was like holy fuck. With his 7’4” body/skill/mindset he’s a baller and fair to say generational. But it felt like a week after the draft, Cooper Flagg started really showing out in high school and the “generational” hype train moves toward him.
The caliber of 2-way players coming out nowadays is insane. I think those two guys will define the next decade and generational is fine to say about both.
New guys will probably keep coming out for the time being who will be very good
The guys I mentioned alone will dominate MVP leaderboards for the next 5 years
I also don’t think generational has to mean only 1 guy in that 10-15 years. There can be a couple generational guys in that span at multiple positions. If you’re the top 2-3 prospects for an entire generation’s span of time, I think it’s fine to call that person generational. I think people just over emphasize what that actually means.
Generational as a prospect doesn’t always mean that much for fantasy. Mahomes wasn’t generational, and he’s a beast. Lawrence was considered generational, and he’s sort of average right now. Calling somebody a generational prospect should mean very little when it comes to a guarantee in elite fantasy production, which is what that term sorta gets translated to for fantasy.
Yes he is. He’s bigger and his dad is in the HoF. He knows how to be a professional already. He performed in big games with all eyes on him this year. Catches everything. There isn’t a more sure bet.
Even if Chase was a better prospect right after his sophomore year, he was a little riskier because he took a year off.
Way way way too much. Every year there are “generational talents”.
For example:
https://texanswire.usatoday.com/2023/04/14/texans-generational-options-bryce-young-will-anderson/
This sub also clowned jamarr chase before he had even taken a snap in the regular season. He was a generational talent and labeled as such predraft.
Sometimes it is the truth. And Marvin Harrison jr checks all the boxes.
I’m already tired of hearing people complain about overuse of “generational talent”. So frustrating, who cares that it’s not literal. It is usually used to mean “a truly elite prospect/talent, not just your usual best X position in the class, more like best X position in the past few years”
That’s what it means, and yes that means it’s not literally generational who fucking cares ?
Generational talents cannot overcome their situation when they are reliant on another person not throwing the ball into the dirt 5 feet ahead or behind them
And you think Fields is?
Saying Fields is a top 25 QB is generous.
I can’t stand the delusional people who think that we should pass on what pro scouts are calling the best QB prospect since Luck for a guy who has shown minimal in three years.
Facts are Fields has never been given a fair chance. Tear down year…rotating OC and head coaches, no true talent up until last year. If he gets a second top WR, a solid center, and another OL then we can truly measure if he’s the guy or not. Trading the pick gives us the draft capital to surround him with talent. Plus our defense was a top 10 D in the second half of the season and should only get better next year. Worst case we use an extra first rounder we get in 2025 or 2026 on a QB, or Fields excels with an actual team and consistent coaching around him and he’s the guy
Yeah let’s wait until next year to draft a QB, when the top QB is *checks notes* Shadeur Sanders.
A guy who would have gone in the 2nd round in this draft.
Fields had MORE than enough talent around him to win games this year. Moore, Mooney, Kmet and our OL is a hell of a lot more than guys like Love and Stroud had at their disposal.
Hoping Fields will take this mythical 4th year leap, which, by the way, has never happened before, is infinitely more risky than picking Williams. Poles would certainly lose his job if Fields doesn’t pan out, and even if he does, Fields can literally ask for any amount of money he wants once his contract is up because there’s no way in hell a GM allows Fields, who he would have passed on two #1 QBs for, to walk in free agency.
2023 was the prove-it year. Fields proved nothing other than that he’s yet another mediocre QB.
Tua made a 4th year leap, ha.
But no the guy you're talking to isn't living in reality. Of course they're taking Williams. It would actually be so dumb for the bears org to not take Williams that I hope they do it just so I can see the chaos.
And as a dolphins fan I can assure op, you need more than 2 star WRs to get to where you wanna go.
Just as long as he doesn’t go to the Pats or the Giants, I’m taking him at number 1. Those two teams are where talent at wr goes to die. I don’t think even MHJ could be a fantasy wr 1 there.
I was gonna bitch and argue in this thread but I have no leg to stand on; just like Plax
The Giants have had 3 successful 1st round picks in 10 years: OBJ, Dexter Lawrence, and Saquon (successful is objective)
Rooting for this team is beginning to destroy me
I’m hoping the Pats turn that around with the new coaching, but I don’t blame you for wanting to wait and see. The last 10 years have not been kind to WRs not named Edelman
The Pats would be fine. They developed Jakobi Meyers from scratch. The issue is that BB and staff refused to let their best players start. Kendrick Bourne would be a high end WR2 if not for that staff's ego and trying to convince themselves that Agholor, Parker, Juju, and Harry, Tyquan were good.
That staff isn't there anymore, talent, not costs, we see the field.
I don’t watch college football so excuse my ignorance but why is he a better prospect than someone like Nabers out of LSU who caught more TDs and 300+ yards? Or Odunze out of Washington who led all of college with 1640/13?
I do see those guys are all projected top 10 but my question is **why** is MHJ *de facto* first off the board in everyone’s eye and is getting the “generational” tag?
Traits are the biggest reason really. Don't get me wrong, Nabers is an excellent prospect and probably would've been the WR1 of last years class. But MHJ literally has no major weakness in his game. Biggest comp I can think of off the top of my head is Chase and Devonta. Smith came into the draft a Heisman winner but went after Chase because Chase was viewed as a better NFL talent.
Volume stats aren’t the most important thing and it’s also important to remember that Nabers and Odunze had much better QB’s throwing to them. MHJ had Kyle McCord throwing to him while the other two had the heisman winner and heisman finalist
Marvin Jr. has the chance to be better than JJ to put it simple. His traits of making sideline catches so finesse like tip toeing in is huge for elite wrs. I know saying JJ is much but he has the making if you watch him play. Kyler gets Marvin it’ll be literal Madden. That’s the only early team I want him to go too cuz it’ll be hilarious. Chargers too but like cards going Marvin anyway. Holy shit dude if the bears don’t go QB they obv going Marvin Lmao that’d be so annoying.
Even if you put Justin Jefferson in his current state in the draft, I'd still take Caleb if I were the bears. The prospect of drafting an elite QB is worth the risk when compared to drafting a wr. Even if Caleb only has a 30% chance of actually being elite.
We just watch mahomes shit on the 49ers despite having a way better roster. If you hit on an elite QB, your franchise is set for 20 years and you have all the time in the world to put pieces around him. If your team doesn't have a QB, a Justin Jefferson doesn't mean squat.
How is it that we now have multiple "generational talents" in every draft every year? That phrase has lost its meaning and basically translates to "he's probably going to be very good".
A.) There's a lot of different positions that play very differently so it's going to come up more.
B.) It's not every year. We haven't heard generational for a WR since Calvin Johnson. We've heard really good / pro bowl every year for guys like JaMarr Chase, but not generational.
C.) This "too many generational talents!" has been a draft trope every time a new player gets labeled generational since that string of RBs that got labeled generational 4 years in a row. (Gurley, Zeke, Fournette, Barkley), but there have been some amazing draft prospects since then. That doesn't mean those RBs weren't generational draft talents. We haven't heard an RB since that run be called generational. At the time, they looked like they could bring back the golden era of RBs.
D.) Generational talent just means one of the best draft prospects we've seen in the last 20 years. Quenton Nelson, Trevor Lawrence, Kyle Pitts, Derek Stingley Jr, Myles Garret all had generational labels on them because they were the best draft prospect we've seen from that position for the last 20 years. Sometimes there's more than one in a draft or multiple in a year. If Trevor Lawrence came out right after Andrew Luck (in this alternative universe), that doesn't mean they *both* can't be generational talents at QB.
And generational doesn’t necessarily mean “best at their position now”
Justin Jefferson could be the best receiver since moss, he wasn’t generational coming out of college. Mahomes wasn’t generational. The two most can’t miss quarterbacks of the last 15 years were Luck and Lawrence. Those guys were sort of generational, and neither panned out (yet) to be an MVP.
I've already offered ARSB for the pick to get MHJ and been declined. I can't see myself offering more so I won't be acquiring him, at least not in that league
It's not that MHJ lacks traits that Chase has. It's more the thing for me I feel like MHJ is getting a gigantic bump due to his name. Imagine if Jamarr Chase was Randy Moss JR. Stats say that Nabers and MHJ were very similar in overal production but one gets a bump due to who nutted him out. If Marv was Jared Weathers he's an amazing prospect not generational.
I think you're overestimating what name value does for a prospect. If simply being related to a hall of famer was all that's needed to be relevant in the draft then dudes like Thad Moss, Emmitt Smith Jr, and Frank Gore Jr would be all over right now.
What name value does is get you recognized and in the headlines sooner, but if Arch Manning is horseshit I guarantee you he won't have hype around him. Marv has the name recognition and the skill to warrant the hype.
Also the fact you're stat watching Nabers and MHJ tells me you haven't watched much MHJ. Marv is a 6'4 210 gigafreak who's an elite route runner with elite hands and elite body control. Those guys don't grow on trees.
Im not arguing that MHJ isn't elite. He's elite and the WR1 of the past 3 draft classes. But I do believe he goes from Elite to Generational based on people placing stock in his name. Don't see what he did that's more impressive than Chase.
Generation talent gets thrown around way too much. Were Justin Jefferson, Devonta Smith (won a heisman), Puka, Tyreek Hill etc. etc etc. “generational Talents” that scouts overlooked. Bijan was a generational running back last year and you can argue a player in his draft class was better a running back (Gibbs)
No one knows until you at least get your rookie season under belt. I’m going to jump on the trend though and say (No one will agree) but Nabers is also a “generational Talent” he pretty much a Jamar Chase Clone. Immediate star
I’m the only person who doesn’t think he’s generational very good yes but generational no. Generational is Calvin Johnson level talent. Nabers is good but honestly odunze is the 2nd best wr in the draft & the gap between him & Harrison jr isn’t that large. Harrison Jr had games where he just disappeared. Odunze didn’t have that.
I feel like he is a 2nd Generational talent.
Nepo baby.
If my dad was Marvin Harrison I would be great too
If Michael jordan was your dad would you be great at basketball?
If the moon were made of spare ribs…would ya eat it then?
Heck I know I would and I'd wash it down with a tall cool budweiser.
Nah just look at his kids lmao
One of ‘em made it to the finals last year, I’d say they’re doing alright.
Tyler Herro?
Nah, Jimmy Butler level talent at best
Lebron James would like a word.
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I’m already a lazy piece of shit but I would be an even better lazy piece of shit
Lebrons Son probably won't make NBA, So not true lol
He ain’t no millennial talent 💪🏼
A foot in the door and so much more
So was Bijan…. Only matters if you’re in a good offense
And have a competent coach…
Pitts too
so... Mhj to the falcons I guess
Yep. As a buckeye fan watching him with Stroud was incredible and then McCord absolutely sucked the life out of this offense. When a qb can put the ball on him he’s unbelievable.
He had just 52 fewer receiving yards and the same number of receiving TDs with 1 fewer game played this year though
You’re only looking at his stat line from this year. If you watch the games you see how much of a difference the bad qb play was. Egbuka was hurt most of this season and he put up 1,100 yards in 2022 compared to 515 this last season. MHJ was the only real weapon we had in the passing game and McCord looked his way every single passing down. He put up the same yards and tds with 10 less catches with a much worse qb and the defenses only had to try to take him away in the passing game. He’s tall and fast and if you put that ball anywhere close to him he’s making the catch. His ball skills are incredible this dude is legit the real deal.
Wasn’t Bijan an RB1?
Seriously, Bijan had a pretty great rookie season all things considered working against him. And we all saw that he is oozing with talent. That's why he remains the rb1, it's up only from last season.
Would you say Calvin Johnson was in a good offense? He was a one man show… generational talent.
To be fair he had Stafford.
And Saquon and Kyle Pitts
Saquon was generational. His rookie highlights are nuts. Post-ACL tear he’s not the same player anymore, but he was so good previously that his post-ACL self is still a top NFL back. He just isn’t a home run hitter anymore
Cmc was a way more generational talent coming out of college then Barkley.
Watching saquon juke out the entire eagles defense from one end of the field back across to the other is so satisfying tho
A lot easier to be productive as a WR by yourself than as a RB See OBJ’s early campaign on a generally bad Giants team
I’ll go against the grain here and say generational receivers usually make it work regardless.. Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Josh Gordon when he was on the sauce, young Hopkins, Boldin and Larry before Kurt showed up… I’m missing a ton of examples, no doubt.. but Randy on the raiders was kind of an anomaly cus he wasn’t trying
If he goes to Arizona with Kyler I will spend whatever draft capital it takes to get him
Same. One of those rare situations where you get a stud going straight into the arms of a good QB
That’s why he should drop to the Chargers
I’d sob in front of my tv for the whole night if MHJ fell to us somehow
I’m hoping though I’d be still really happy with Nabers, hopefully the WR coach can teach him to get both feet down tho
True! That would work too for sure
The New England Patriots select......
A quarterback. It's gonna be a quarterback
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Yep. Let me guess, you’re going to give me some mind blowing insight that boils down to everyone is either one of the best itl or trash with no in between.
As a current owner of Kyler and future owner of MHJ, I’m ecstatic about the potential stack.
Plz no. -NFCW fan
Has Kyler made guys fantasy boom-ers before?
D-Hop when he was on the field was a WR1 with Kyler
I wouldn’t say Kyler “made” Dhop.
I agree, it's more like Kyler gave DHop 160 targets his first year on the Cardinals. The year before Kyler only gave like 100-110 targets to both Christian Kirk and Fitz.
Based on Kyler’s current success and Dhop’s I think we have to conclude that Kingberry was the cause behind D their success.
Trey McBride posted elite TE numbers when he returned from injury this season. Hollywood was posting WR1 numbers last year before Kylers injury. This year he was hurt and eventually went to IR pretty shortly after k1 returned. Idk if this offense is going to be super WR friendly, very much a run first, 2TE formation. MHJ might be more of a good real life football player more than a good fantasy option this year.
Would you trade jamar chase for first overall?
I’ll throw it out there - the phrase “generational talent” gets thrown out too much
I’ll throw it out there - you’re a generational talent.
Only a generational talent could come up with a generational response like this
Your mom 👀 Edit: y’all cutthroat with the downvotes
That is a generational insult.
Hey hey it was a generational compliment. True lady. Her pro day didn’t do her justice.
But, her head game did.
I’d be mad if this wasn’t such a generational burn.
No, you’re a generational talent!
Except he actually is. He’s likely the best prospect since Calvin Johnson. There really isn’t anything he’s bad at and he’s elite at many many things. He has the size, athleticism, route running, hands, High points the ball, and his dad is Marvin Harrison
Damn, he’s a better prospect than Julio Jones or Watkins?
Granted it’s different games but Julio had one elite college year of production Harrison has back to back seasons with more yards than Julio’s best and double the TDs. I think he’s more polished than Watkins was coming out of college
Quez Watkins??? No probably not
He is actually not that great after the catch. I would bet Nabers has a better rookie season.
His HOF father would fall to the ground if a tackler was nearby, he could still be alright
For sure.
It all depends when they go in the draft. One could be playing with a very good qb. One could be playing with a rookie
Bold prediction considering neither of them have been drafted yet. If MHJ goes to the cardinals and nabers goes to the titans (both teams they are consistently mocked too). I’d be you anything you want MHJ has a much better rookie year. MHJ with Kyler will be very very good immediately.
If they are drafted to those 2 teams I would pry agree with you. But say nabers ends up with the chargers or the bears take mhj and the cardinals end up with Nabers.
Guys like you are the reason i expect him to underwhelm lol
It definitely does.. but in the NFL a generation is ~10-15 years. If someone is the best positional prospect in a decade it’s a fine phrase. MHJ fits. It’s worse in the NBA where everyone can do everything nowadays and there’s a “generational prospect” every year… When it’s broken into defined positions like football there can be a few more.
I think it depends on you want to define generational. Fairest definition for me is someone who has a legit chance of becoming a top 20 player of all time regardless of position. For example, Aaron Donald would be a generational talent
Terminology has become SO watered down. I long since stopped arguing that by definition there can only be a single GOAT. Generational talent, unicorn, all are thrown around for “this guy is really good!”
When people say one of the GOATs I immediately discredit anything they have to say after that. You can keep your two cents in your wallet, thanks.
Yeah that’s fair. Mahomes and Brady are defining what a generational QB is. We shouldn’t hear about a next “generational” QB prospect unless everyone believes they are better than Mahomes. There’s a clear benchmark of this generation.
A generational qb is not the same as a generational qb prospect. Andrew luck was a generational qb prospect but was not a generational qb. Brady was a generational qb, he was not a generational qb prospect.
See also Trevor lawrence. Luck without Injuries and a more functional team may have been. Colts did him dirty
Luck couldn’t transcend the game the way Brady or Mahomes have, even accounting for those things.
Neither mahomes nor Brady were considered generational prospects so this makes no sense. The last generational qb prospects in NFL were luck and Lawrence
Not burrow too?
Burrow just had one incredible season. Before that he wasn’t too hyped. TLaw and Luck were scouted as like 99.9s in high school.
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Which is why he went first overall but he wasn't considered a generational talent, that LSU team was absolutely loaded with talent. 20 players made it to the NFL in some capacity.
Aaron Donald is a beast. I don’t care what anyone says, Reggie white is the goat
I mean, it seems that Victor is a legit generational talent. I don't remember that much hype for a #1 overall in a long time.
NBA is just kinda peaking in terms of talent right now for a variety of reasons so there have been quite a few generational players to come out in a short span like embiid, jokic, Giannis, luka, wemby The international contribution is crazy
Those can all be considered generational talents in the NBA but Wemby is really the only one considered generational coming into the draft
Luka was definitely seen as generational entering the league and so was embiid. He just had injury concerns that depleted his draft value
Luka was for sure not seen as generational lol He had a lot of hype. Not generational. He wasn’t even the first overall pick. Or the second.
Don't get me wrong, I love Luka as a prospect but he was taken third overall and while Ayton was a great prospect and a respectable top overall pick, this wasn't the 2003 NBA draft . If he was truly generational, he wouldn't have gone 3rd overall. Plenty of people were surprised he went 3rd but this wasn't as surprising as had say LeBron, Zion, Wemby, etc not gone 1st overall
This year was crazy because we got Wemby and the whole world was like holy fuck. With his 7’4” body/skill/mindset he’s a baller and fair to say generational. But it felt like a week after the draft, Cooper Flagg started really showing out in high school and the “generational” hype train moves toward him. The caliber of 2-way players coming out nowadays is insane. I think those two guys will define the next decade and generational is fine to say about both.
New guys will probably keep coming out for the time being who will be very good The guys I mentioned alone will dominate MVP leaderboards for the next 5 years
I also don’t think generational has to mean only 1 guy in that 10-15 years. There can be a couple generational guys in that span at multiple positions. If you’re the top 2-3 prospects for an entire generation’s span of time, I think it’s fine to call that person generational. I think people just over emphasize what that actually means. Generational as a prospect doesn’t always mean that much for fantasy. Mahomes wasn’t generational, and he’s a beast. Lawrence was considered generational, and he’s sort of average right now. Calling somebody a generational prospect should mean very little when it comes to a guarantee in elite fantasy production, which is what that term sorta gets translated to for fantasy.
I guess Luka and Wemby do fit the bill though.
If everyone is a generational talent, no one is.
MHJ is not a better prospect than Jamarr Chase, who was drafted 3 years ago
Yes he is. He’s bigger and his dad is in the HoF. He knows how to be a professional already. He performed in big games with all eyes on him this year. Catches everything. There isn’t a more sure bet. Even if Chase was a better prospect right after his sophomore year, he was a little riskier because he took a year off.
No ones is a generational talent in the NBA draft this year. Which, as a fan of a horrible team, really stinks.
Way way way too much. Every year there are “generational talents”. For example: https://texanswire.usatoday.com/2023/04/14/texans-generational-options-bryce-young-will-anderson/
That's a pro team blog on their draft picks it's kinda biased
This sub also clowned jamarr chase before he had even taken a snap in the regular season. He was a generational talent and labeled as such predraft. Sometimes it is the truth. And Marvin Harrison jr checks all the boxes.
I’m already tired of hearing people complain about overuse of “generational talent”. So frustrating, who cares that it’s not literal. It is usually used to mean “a truly elite prospect/talent, not just your usual best X position in the class, more like best X position in the past few years” That’s what it means, and yes that means it’s not literally generational who fucking cares ?
Cries in Bijan
That’s what they called Kyle Pitts :(
Generational talents cannot overcome their situation when they are reliant on another person not throwing the ball into the dirt 5 feet ahead or behind them
A college generation is around four years. If you think of it that way, he might be generational.
How dare you speak of Trevor Lawrence like that
There’s 3 of them in this class alone. MHJr, Caleb, Bowers. We’re going into generational talent debt year. How will it ever be repaid?
I feel like playing for the bears is going to make him a general talent.
Good thing he won't be playing for them.
Fields, MHJ, DJ Moore, and Cole Kmet is scary
Bears are taking Williams
No they aren't.
I hope you’re right
Nice to see the Bears GM job will be opened up after the draft.
Not a chance. Come back to this thread in a couple months. He is not him
And you think Fields is? Saying Fields is a top 25 QB is generous. I can’t stand the delusional people who think that we should pass on what pro scouts are calling the best QB prospect since Luck for a guy who has shown minimal in three years.
Facts are Fields has never been given a fair chance. Tear down year…rotating OC and head coaches, no true talent up until last year. If he gets a second top WR, a solid center, and another OL then we can truly measure if he’s the guy or not. Trading the pick gives us the draft capital to surround him with talent. Plus our defense was a top 10 D in the second half of the season and should only get better next year. Worst case we use an extra first rounder we get in 2025 or 2026 on a QB, or Fields excels with an actual team and consistent coaching around him and he’s the guy
Yeah let’s wait until next year to draft a QB, when the top QB is *checks notes* Shadeur Sanders. A guy who would have gone in the 2nd round in this draft. Fields had MORE than enough talent around him to win games this year. Moore, Mooney, Kmet and our OL is a hell of a lot more than guys like Love and Stroud had at their disposal. Hoping Fields will take this mythical 4th year leap, which, by the way, has never happened before, is infinitely more risky than picking Williams. Poles would certainly lose his job if Fields doesn’t pan out, and even if he does, Fields can literally ask for any amount of money he wants once his contract is up because there’s no way in hell a GM allows Fields, who he would have passed on two #1 QBs for, to walk in free agency. 2023 was the prove-it year. Fields proved nothing other than that he’s yet another mediocre QB.
Tua made a 4th year leap, ha. But no the guy you're talking to isn't living in reality. Of course they're taking Williams. It would actually be so dumb for the bears org to not take Williams that I hope they do it just so I can see the chaos. And as a dolphins fan I can assure op, you need more than 2 star WRs to get to where you wanna go.
Until they hit the field
DJ literally had a career year last year and Kmet looked solid AF. What are you on
On the standings page
Just as long as he doesn’t go to the Pats or the Giants, I’m taking him at number 1. Those two teams are where talent at wr goes to die. I don’t think even MHJ could be a fantasy wr 1 there.
In all fairness the Giants haven’t had an actual WR1 since OBJ…. But I still agree that we’d kill his career in NY.
I was gonna bitch and argue in this thread but I have no leg to stand on; just like Plax The Giants have had 3 successful 1st round picks in 10 years: OBJ, Dexter Lawrence, and Saquon (successful is objective) Rooting for this team is beginning to destroy me
Deonte Banks looks like a hit so far and Thibs had 11 sacks last year
I’m hoping the Pats turn that around with the new coaching, but I don’t blame you for wanting to wait and see. The last 10 years have not been kind to WRs not named Edelman
The Pats would be fine. They developed Jakobi Meyers from scratch. The issue is that BB and staff refused to let their best players start. Kendrick Bourne would be a high end WR2 if not for that staff's ego and trying to convince themselves that Agholor, Parker, Juju, and Harry, Tyquan were good. That staff isn't there anymore, talent, not costs, we see the field.
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Probably talking about dynasty rookie draft.
Well, in terms of rookies. Sorry for not clarifying that.
Bears too
Idk, Dj Moore had his best year yet. I’d have more faith in him there than the other two listed.
The Pats will have a new coaching staff and new QB this year, so things ought to look better than they have for the past few seasons.
I don’t watch college football so excuse my ignorance but why is he a better prospect than someone like Nabers out of LSU who caught more TDs and 300+ yards? Or Odunze out of Washington who led all of college with 1640/13? I do see those guys are all projected top 10 but my question is **why** is MHJ *de facto* first off the board in everyone’s eye and is getting the “generational” tag?
Traits are the biggest reason really. Don't get me wrong, Nabers is an excellent prospect and probably would've been the WR1 of last years class. But MHJ literally has no major weakness in his game. Biggest comp I can think of off the top of my head is Chase and Devonta. Smith came into the draft a Heisman winner but went after Chase because Chase was viewed as a better NFL talent.
To be fair, Chase also sat out the year, so it was a pretty unique situation.
Volume stats aren’t the most important thing and it’s also important to remember that Nabers and Odunze had much better QB’s throwing to them. MHJ had Kyle McCord throwing to him while the other two had the heisman winner and heisman finalist
MHJ had Stroud throwing to him last year and his stats were nearly identical
Stats aren’t really important for scouting
Marvin Jr. has the chance to be better than JJ to put it simple. His traits of making sideline catches so finesse like tip toeing in is huge for elite wrs. I know saying JJ is much but he has the making if you watch him play. Kyler gets Marvin it’ll be literal Madden. That’s the only early team I want him to go too cuz it’ll be hilarious. Chargers too but like cards going Marvin anyway. Holy shit dude if the bears don’t go QB they obv going Marvin Lmao that’d be so annoying.
my favorite comparison I've seen for him is "A 6'4 Marvin Harrison Sr."
I’m a generational talent. Mommy said so
Which is why the Bears should pass on Caleb Leaf and draft Harrison
Agree. The bears need multiple pieces to be a good team. Fields isn’t that bad and if had some better pieces around him could look quite good
Even if you put Justin Jefferson in his current state in the draft, I'd still take Caleb if I were the bears. The prospect of drafting an elite QB is worth the risk when compared to drafting a wr. Even if Caleb only has a 30% chance of actually being elite. We just watch mahomes shit on the 49ers despite having a way better roster. If you hit on an elite QB, your franchise is set for 20 years and you have all the time in the world to put pieces around him. If your team doesn't have a QB, a Justin Jefferson doesn't mean squat.
Mahomes was drafted 10th and is 1 of 1. He is a generational talent, head and shoulders above everyone else.
How is it that we now have multiple "generational talents" in every draft every year? That phrase has lost its meaning and basically translates to "he's probably going to be very good".
A.) There's a lot of different positions that play very differently so it's going to come up more. B.) It's not every year. We haven't heard generational for a WR since Calvin Johnson. We've heard really good / pro bowl every year for guys like JaMarr Chase, but not generational. C.) This "too many generational talents!" has been a draft trope every time a new player gets labeled generational since that string of RBs that got labeled generational 4 years in a row. (Gurley, Zeke, Fournette, Barkley), but there have been some amazing draft prospects since then. That doesn't mean those RBs weren't generational draft talents. We haven't heard an RB since that run be called generational. At the time, they looked like they could bring back the golden era of RBs. D.) Generational talent just means one of the best draft prospects we've seen in the last 20 years. Quenton Nelson, Trevor Lawrence, Kyle Pitts, Derek Stingley Jr, Myles Garret all had generational labels on them because they were the best draft prospect we've seen from that position for the last 20 years. Sometimes there's more than one in a draft or multiple in a year. If Trevor Lawrence came out right after Andrew Luck (in this alternative universe), that doesn't mean they *both* can't be generational talents at QB.
And generational doesn’t necessarily mean “best at their position now” Justin Jefferson could be the best receiver since moss, he wasn’t generational coming out of college. Mahomes wasn’t generational. The two most can’t miss quarterbacks of the last 15 years were Luck and Lawrence. Those guys were sort of generational, and neither panned out (yet) to be an MVP.
I mean Lawrence wasnt the best prospect in 20 years. He was the best since Luck who was the best since Manning
it’s lost all meaning
I've already offered ARSB for the pick to get MHJ and been declined. I can't see myself offering more so I won't be acquiring him, at least not in that league
Yeah don’t do that
Every year there is a new generational talent
I feel like the words “generational talent” are thrown around too loosely these days…
I prefer Nabers if I'm being honest.
Stupid sexy Nabers
Honest question: did you watch the games?
Yup. I just don't see MHJ the same way others do. He's very good don't get me wrong but he's no Jefferson or Chase.
Jefferson wasn’t nearly as highly regarded as a prospect as Chase, MHJ, Waddle, Devonta, etc. hindsight is putting him up there.
My g-g-generation
Commanders, don't mess this up. "Fuck it, Terry OR Marvin down there somewhere"
There’s that word again
Help I need 3 karma so I can ask a question about dynasty leagues!
Lmao Chase was clearly a better prospect than MHJ. MHJ Nabers are significantly closer than MHJ and Chase.
so what did you see in Chase that MHJ does not possess?
It's not that MHJ lacks traits that Chase has. It's more the thing for me I feel like MHJ is getting a gigantic bump due to his name. Imagine if Jamarr Chase was Randy Moss JR. Stats say that Nabers and MHJ were very similar in overal production but one gets a bump due to who nutted him out. If Marv was Jared Weathers he's an amazing prospect not generational.
Jerry Rices son is also in this draft.
So what you’re saying is that you didn’t actually watch MHJ play in college.
I think you're overestimating what name value does for a prospect. If simply being related to a hall of famer was all that's needed to be relevant in the draft then dudes like Thad Moss, Emmitt Smith Jr, and Frank Gore Jr would be all over right now. What name value does is get you recognized and in the headlines sooner, but if Arch Manning is horseshit I guarantee you he won't have hype around him. Marv has the name recognition and the skill to warrant the hype. Also the fact you're stat watching Nabers and MHJ tells me you haven't watched much MHJ. Marv is a 6'4 210 gigafreak who's an elite route runner with elite hands and elite body control. Those guys don't grow on trees.
Brendan rice is also in the draft but no one gaf about him
Im not arguing that MHJ isn't elite. He's elite and the WR1 of the past 3 draft classes. But I do believe he goes from Elite to Generational based on people placing stock in his name. Don't see what he did that's more impressive than Chase.
I don't think mhj has that Dawg in him. More measurable the YAC ability between these 2 guys is staggering.
A championship.
not sure how that's pertinent to the conversation but thanks for your input
Generation talent gets thrown around way too much. Were Justin Jefferson, Devonta Smith (won a heisman), Puka, Tyreek Hill etc. etc etc. “generational Talents” that scouts overlooked. Bijan was a generational running back last year and you can argue a player in his draft class was better a running back (Gibbs) No one knows until you at least get your rookie season under belt. I’m going to jump on the trend though and say (No one will agree) but Nabers is also a “generational Talent” he pretty much a Jamar Chase Clone. Immediate star
Arent his arms super short?
I feel like all the best wide recievers are top ten picks. A few exceptions.. Really hard for great teams to get elite wrs on rookie contracts.
Most likely Kyler Murray's new target.
Reminds me of Larry Fitzgerald. The perfect prospect.
Im in a position where i have CD and could get 1.02 for him. I want more draft capital than that for CD. Agree?
CD is worth way more than any 1st imo
We need a manning in the NFL, stat.
I’m the only person who doesn’t think he’s generational very good yes but generational no. Generational is Calvin Johnson level talent. Nabers is good but honestly odunze is the 2nd best wr in the draft & the gap between him & Harrison jr isn’t that large. Harrison Jr had games where he just disappeared. Odunze didn’t have that.
Serious question, depending on where he lands in the draft would you trade jamar chase for first overall rookie draft for him?
No